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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson. And well, we got a lot

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Speaker 3: to get to today, Matt, because yeah, I thought we

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Speaker 3: This is the end of the road.

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Speaker 4: This was it three dctions.

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Speaker 3: And mix and all kinds of stuff, injuries.

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Speaker 5: And labs and dfs and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Everything squash it all in.

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Speaker 3: So here's what we know right now on Wednesday, because

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Speaker 3: we don't do a show.

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Speaker 4: It's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as Alex high Smith said earlier in the week,

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Speaker 3: he said, I won't know for sure whether I'm playing

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Speaker 3: until I see what I can do in practice on

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Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday. So how it works, right, he did

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Speaker 3: not practice today. Okay, so we all Corey Trice a

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Speaker 3: full participant and the Steelers did activate and opened the

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Speaker 3: window for Montrevius Adams.

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Speaker 5: That's exciting, that's great news. I'm excited about him and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so some other guys held up, but it was

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Speaker 3: resting stuff. Yeah yeah, Sam Malo, Hayward Ogunjobi.

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Speaker 4: So you don't even have a haunch on Highsmith.

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Speaker 5: I mean I knew he was optimistic last time we

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Speaker 3: What more can we say about it? I don't know,

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Speaker 5: And coincidentally, we don't know who the Bengals left tackle

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Speaker 5: is going to be either. No, there's a big difference

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Speaker 5: between Orlando Brown and Cody Ford.

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Speaker 3: A little bit, yeah, a little bit, not a big different.

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Speaker 3: They're both big human beings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but one's a stumpy guard type not very good at.

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Speaker 3: The other one's a stumpy tackle.

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Speaker 4: Gigantic human being.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's where we're at at this point. We

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Speaker 3: do know that, I mean, the Bengals are banged up

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Speaker 3: in their secondary in a in a big way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They count on some young guys with talent.

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Speaker 5: That aren't going to be available, and do we know

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Speaker 3: And he's not even he's on I R oh okay,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, he's not playing in both I picks recently. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then the the who am I thinking of here?

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Speaker 3: Turner was the other one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a Hills on IR. Yeah, Turner's the other one. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Turner just went to IR. Oh they're both on IR. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Know that Turner broke his collar bone in the game

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Speaker 5: Both young guys they've been counting on. Yeah, I haven't

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Speaker 5: quite lived up to it, but they're top picks.

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Speaker 3: All we know is that these other guys, and these

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Speaker 4: They're coming off a bye too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mainland O Brown is questionable. Sheldon Rankin's questionable.

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Speaker 4: He's a starter though in a weak unit.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, so you know that's what they're looking at.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Brown hasn't played in three three games, but

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Speaker 3: The guys that they want to be playing at cornerbacker

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Speaker 4: No, a year ago I thought he had promise and showing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, safety term you know, AFC North type corner. He's

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Speaker 3: But he's a specific Yeah, he's a specific kind of

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Speaker 5: And their safety play is average. I mean that's kind,

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Speaker 5: but it's average. They're not great players, even though you've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: And that's what happens, you know. Yeah, you're in your window,

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Speaker 4: That's the thing.

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Speaker 5: They just have missed on a ton of defensive draft

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Speaker 3: And it's really you know, they spent a lot of

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Speaker 5: No, I mean that was a huge off season priority

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Speaker 3: They got tired of seeing Joe Burrow get killed kill.

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Speaker 5: They went out and got Kappa and you know those

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Speaker 5: Like I still think they need off season oh line help,

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. And he's played okay, you know, but.

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Speaker 3: Now there's more. You didn't even have really have tape

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Speaker 5: I don't know how many preseason snaps he played or whatever,

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Speaker 3: So now you're starting to get an idea of Okay,

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Speaker 4: I wonder how much football is he actually played since

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Speaker 3: Not mine?

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Speaker 5: I mean really not that many snaps at all for

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Speaker 3: I just wonder how they view this. Do they view

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Speaker 5: I think if Orlando Brown isn't there, you might not

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Speaker 4: Ford's bad.

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Speaker 3: The other thing about this, Matt, is Zach Moss going

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Speaker 3: playing him on third downs, Yes over Chase Brown. Yes,

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Speaker 5: no question. So they traded for Khalil Herbert, right, who

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Speaker 5: He's playing like eighty five percent of the snaps. Now

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Speaker 3: The biggest guy either. No, but he's thick. I mean,

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Speaker 5: A lot, no, and no one's witzing the Bengals, but maybe,

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Speaker 4: Oh good, Okay, that was what I kind of forgot about.

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Speaker 5: But I think I would play a lot of Cover

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Speaker 5: And I've been thinking about this a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we're only sending four fellas. Can you handle it? You

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: but I'm not so much worried about sacking him. I

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Speaker 3: he drops back to past.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I want him to get hit, yeah yeah, And that's

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Speaker 3: You know, if he's you're hitting him and hitting him

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Speaker 5: He also has three or four injuries that nobody talks about,

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Speaker 5: You're looking at my cheesecake menu, you know. Play sheeting like,

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Speaker 3: So you've got to avoid those. Yeah, that would be

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Speaker 5: And it's mind boggling how he is the only show

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Speaker 3: You know, he's got eleven and a half sacks from

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Speaker 4: After they lost the post Thomas.

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Speaker 3: So eight of his sacks.

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Speaker 5: Actually that was against Thomas. I think I remember watching

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Speaker 5: they totally let them on an eye. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 4: Of a draw.

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Speaker 5: Three through it and through it and then the second

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry he had three. He has three three two

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Speaker 3: Of his eleven sacks eleven and a half sacks, ten

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Speaker 3: He had one sack against Washington. He had two sacks

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Speaker 3: So it's not been a situation where he's he's when

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Speaker 5: I have mixed feelings on that. Because he's also leading

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Speaker 5: Because when you said that before, I'm sitting here thinking,

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Speaker 5: that is malpractice. After two sacks or three sacks. If

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Speaker 4: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: He had five knockdowns against in the game against Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: So he also had two sacks in that game, so.

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Speaker 4: That's his sacking a knockdown too.

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Speaker 3: That's twelve of his knockdowns have come in those two

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that makes sense because that sack counts as both.

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Speaker 5: So you can negate this guy if you designate, Hey,

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Speaker 5: we're not gonna let this guy beat us. And what's

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Speaker 5: Garrett or some of the other top pass He's always

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Speaker 5: I think I would have Washington on Dan Moore's side

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Speaker 3: At the very least. I've got the running back over there,

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Speaker 5: Are they are, And would if I said Henderson got

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Two, I don't want to see could because they

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Speaker 4: Side notes, they beat all the really bad teams.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the four wins against really bad teams, right, I

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Speaker 4: But you watch them and think they're scary. They're a

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Speaker 3: They're a dangerous team, but they find ways to lose.

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Speaker 5: The kicker has been bad, that's another problem, but it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to say the least, the ball bounces the wrong way.

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Speaker 5: it should be better than that. Yeah, you know, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not. This is not the team that walked

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Speaker 5: I don't know what to think about this team, more

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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of frustration just watching their

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Speaker 3: Now let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive. You're

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Speaker 4: Matt.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 3: Hotline by the Dean of Doom, the Lord of Living

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Speaker 3: in his fears, Bob Labriola, And Bob, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if anybody's living in their fears as much as you are,

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Speaker 1: I Lodale. I mean, certainly my box is filled with a.

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Speaker 1: you know, go so far as to say that in

442
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Speaker 1: a lot of areas they stunk. But I don't know

443
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Speaker 1: that it's a trend. It seems to me that that's

444
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: that's that's the leap that everyone's taking. You know, Uh,

445
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,679
Speaker 1: it's a trend. You know the Steelers now.

446
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 5: They can't score, they can't fourth down, they can't make

447
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 5: anything on fourth down.

448
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 1: They can't run the ball anymore, they run the ball

449
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: too much on first down. Whatever you want to say

450
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Speaker 1: that they didn't do well against the Browns, and there

451
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,440
Speaker 1: are a lot of things, but now that's that shows

452
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: what happened in the Browns game shows that everything is

453
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 1: falling apart, in deteriorating in all these different categories. And

454
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, As I said, I thought

455
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: it was a bad game for sure, but to say that,

456
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Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I'm hearing is the

457
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: Steelers are running the ball too much on first down. Well,

458
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 1: they didn't run the ball well at all against the Browns,

459
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Speaker 1: but you know, say against the Jets when they ran

460
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: for one hundred and forty plus yards and a couple

461
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 1: of touchdowns and average over four point one yards of carry.

462
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Speaker 3: And scored four touchdowns on six trips in the red zone.

463
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Speaker 1: Well, right, but just about the running, Yeah, talking about

464
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Speaker 1: the running game. They ran the ball twenty times on

465
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Speaker 1: first down in thirty six attempts against the Jets. So

466
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Speaker 1: running the ball on first down is not a problem.

467
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Speaker 1: Blocking people when you run the ball on first down

468
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Speaker 1: is a problem. And you know that to me is

469
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: you know what has to get fixed, you know, the basics,

470
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Speaker 1: that's actually stuff.

471
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Speaker 5: That's actually what concerns me most about the offense. And

472
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 5: the questions I keep getting are red zone. They're so

473
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 5: terrible in the red zone. I'm like it's such a

474
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 5: small sample size, chill out. We don't need to put

475
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 5: fields in the game as soon as they cross the twenty.

476
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Speaker 5: But I do think more consistency in the running game,

477
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Speaker 5: and many are to blame is the thing that needs

478
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Speaker 5: fix most that I think is achievable.

479
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Speaker 1: Sure, and you know, to use since tomorrow is Thanksgiving.

480
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: I think one of the Steelers' problems with their offense is,

481
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, instead of worrying about making sure that turkeys

482
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: make right, we're too worried about the cranberry sauce. And

483
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: you use some lemon zest in the mashed potatoes, give

484
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: them a little bit extra flavor, and you know, all

485
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: of that size stuff, the extra toys that you know,

486
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: as you mentioned the justin fields package. Are we getting

487
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: Pat Fryermouth involved enough? You know what about Mike Williams,

488
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: He's not seeing enough targets? Well, you know, worry about

489
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: the basic scoring points, running the ball, converting third downs,

490
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: those kind of things. How it happens, who's involved, who's

491
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: on the field or the tight ends involved enough? Are

492
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: we fooling anybody by throwing a pass the cordero Patterson

493
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: on the two point conversion play, you know, again, I

494
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: give too much, too much of that side stuff to me.

495
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: Right now, this team needs to its offensive line, needs

496
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: to open some holes for the running game and protect

497
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Speaker 1: the quarterback that we decided was going to be the

498
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Speaker 1: starter the Jets game one October twentieth back then, if

499
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be the starter, well that's blocked for him.

500
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: Then give him time to do what he needs to

501
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: do in the pocket to find the receivers to you know,

502
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: all of the things that you know Russell Wilson does well,

503
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: pre snap reads, anticipation, throwing, knowing where to go with

504
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: the ball based on what he sees from the defense

505
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage, all that kind of stuff.

506
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: That's what's important. All that other you know, playing with

507
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: the toys and sideline stuff, and I don't know, put

508
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: it away for a while.

509
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, just go win the game. And that's really I mean,

510
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: they hadn't done any of the fields mixing him in

511
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: there until they played the Ravens. And so we've now

512
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: seen two games of it. And has it worked at times? Yeah?

513
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: Has it not worked at times? Yeah? But you know,

514
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: your offense before that in the previous three games with

515
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson at quarterback look pretty good.

516
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, here's the thing about the Justin

517
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Speaker 1: Field's package. In my mind, maybe you guys can you

518
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: can either correct me or you know whatever, But you

519
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: put them in the game and the few running plays,

520
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: everybody now knows what those are, and I think it

521
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: just makes it that much more difficult to run those

522
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Speaker 1: in those critical situations, possession downs, et cetera, and have

523
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Speaker 1: them work. So in order for the package to work,

524
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: you'll have to continue to expand his menu of plays

525
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: because if there is no threat in the defense's mind

526
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Speaker 1: that he's going to drop back and survey the field

527
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: and look for a receipt either you know, and throw

528
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: a pass, then it's easy to defend. And in order

529
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: for that package to work where he Justin Fields is

530
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: able to do that, you have to rep that in practice.

531
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Speaker 1: He's got to get timing down with these receivers on

532
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: these routes in these plays. And if you're doing that,

533
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: then you're taking practice time away from the guy you

534
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: decided it was going to be the starting quarterback. And

535
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense to me that, you know,

536
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: we're worried about the Cranberry sauce. You know, nobody cares

537
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: about the cranberry sauce if the turkey's lousy, you know,

538
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's I don't know.

539
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: No, I hear you.

540
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 5: I mean long week to get back to basics, blocking, tackling,

541
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 5: Chuck Noll stuff. I mean, on both sides of the ball.

542
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: To me, seem imperative. And I might bet that's the

543
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 5: Tomlin message, you know, over the this ten days.

544
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: I hope. So yeah, you know, and you know all

545
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: of the other stuff, you know, the frills and on

546
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: defense too, you know, uh, stop the run, you know,

547
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: and if if it's gonna be a four man pressure,

548
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: well then let's get some four man pressure. Then. Uh,

549
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to do whatever your menu is.

550
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: I think, because we're eleven games into this now, Steelers

551
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: are eight and three since their twelfth game Week thirteen.

552
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: Based on the buy. And I'm not saying you have

553
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: to have an identity and you're married to that or whatever,

554
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: but you know, one of my complaints about Matt Canada

555
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: was that you know, what's what? What is your core package?

556
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: What can you count on which you know when they

557
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: say it's third night in the fourth quarter and you're

558
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: trying to protect a nineteen eighteen lee. Okay, what's your

559
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: best third name play? Do we know what that is?

560
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that we do.

561
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 5: And it's okay if the defense knows, but that that's

562
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 5: what you do, well, you know, I mean, Lombards Knowle's

563
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 5: trap whatever, you know, whatever your bread and butter is right.

564
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: And if it's a pass, protect the quarterback, give him

565
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see the field, you know, and wherever

566
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: the the defense is weak or you know, soft, or

567
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: whoever's open. You know, I'm not saying you've got to

568
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: throw the fire mouth, you gotta throw the pickens, you gotta,

569
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: you gotta, you got and now you've got to do

570
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: any of that. You've got to get the yard that

571
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: you need for the first time. And these are the

572
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: kinds of things that I think that have kind of

573
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: been lost a little bit for the you know, looking

574
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: for the frills and trying to be tricky maybe and

575
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: again offense defense, whatever we're talking about here, I'm not

576
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: pinning it on any one side of the ball or whatever.

577
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: And you know, get back to being what you were

578
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: doing against the Jets and the Giants. And because this Bengals.

579
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: Excuse me, this Bengals team. I think they're going to score.

580
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: They certainly have the firepower to do so. And their

581
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: defense is awful. Yeah.

582
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've talked a little bit about that. I've talked

583
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: a lot about that. Here's the thing, Bob coming out

584
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: of that game, and the Steelers offensively weren't great in

585
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: that game against the Browns. He weren't great defensively against

586
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: the Browns. One thing they did do, though, Russell Wilson

587
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: on third and fourth downs in that game was twelve

588
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: of thirteen for two hundred and three passing yards in

589
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: a touchdown. You'll take that all day long. And a

590
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: lot of those were third and longs because they weren't

591
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: running the ball consistently well. He showed it. He showed

592
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: me a little some thing, Derek, because I'm looking at

593
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: this only it's third and ten. They're probably gonna be

594
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: punting here and lo and behold, he hits a big play.

595
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: And then he did it again, and he did it again.

596
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, he said, it's pretty good on third downs

597
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: in this game.

598
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know when that's going too, I mean,

599
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back. I'm beating this package drum. Why

600
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: are you taking them out? Yeah? Why? I mean just

601
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: because why I don't I don't understand. So, you know, backs,

602
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: as Noel always said, back to basics. Ask woolfully what

603
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: that means, right, I think he's still got some bruises

604
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: on his body.

605
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: From getting that anymore.

606
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: But but you know, I, you know, I would just

607
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: like to see some of that kind of you know,

608
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: and and things that work, keep doing them. We don't

609
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: need a big menu on offense, you know, I get

610
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Cammel was talking about you have to

611
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of defense when you're going against Burrow

612
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase and t Higgins because if you do

613
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: anything too much, they're going to figure it out. Well,

614
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: hopefully your offense then is capable of doing the same

615
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: thing to the other team.

616
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Speaker 5: Bobby, you mentioned the four man rush a little bit ago,

617
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 5: and I firmly believe the Steelers still have the best

618
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 5: defensive front in the league, the best defensive line in

619
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: the league, and they influence the game in ways that

620
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 5: sacks don't necessarily reflect. Especially TJ. I mean, of course,

621
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Speaker 5: all the attention he draws, but how about some more sacks.

622
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: I mean that that's your best component of your team.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well and more sacks, you know, and

624
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Speaker 1: the Minca thing. You know, I understand that Minka is

625
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: doing what he has asked to do, and I also

626
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: understand that a lot of playing good defense is what

627
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: you convinced the offense not even to try. Okay, I

628
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: am very much understanding of that and on board with that,

629
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: you know. But Mike Tomlins says all the time that

630
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, what what separates you know, good from great

631
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: for defensive backs or takeaways, and what separates good from

632
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: great for you know, front seven people are sacks you've

633
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: got to make. There has to be some big plays made,

634
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: and you know you're getting the Steelers are getting some

635
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: good stuff in the back end from you know, Deshaun

636
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: Elliott and Donte Jackson. In terms of takeaways, Beatie Bishop,

637
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, has contributed some, but you need more, and

638
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: you need them all the time. You need them every

639
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: week from somebody, you know, Peyton Wilson whatever, uh, Patrick

640
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: Queen whatever, uh wherever they but these are the things

641
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: that they need. And you know, I don't know some

642
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times I just don't think it's comes

643
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: from scheme or play calls or you know a lot

644
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I just do believe that it's you

645
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: know that scouts cliche. It's not the ex'es and those,

646
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's. Yeah it is. And

647
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to when it comes to running the ball,

648
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Russ Grim always said, you know, running the football effectively

649
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: is moving a defender from point A to point B

650
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: against his will, nothing tricky about it. And I just

651
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I did. I was really disappointed in how the offensive

652
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: line was unable to do that to a Cleveland defense

653
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: that was not highly ranked against the run, did not

654
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of good games, good production stopping opponents

655
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Speaker 1: running game. I get that they were maybe a lot

656
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Speaker 1: better than they had played, but.

657
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Speaker 3: I don't know well to that point, Bob, I thought

658
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: that the Steelers early in the game were moving the

659
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: football and didn't didn't turn those into points, and it

660
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: kind of gave the Browns life. You know, when you've

661
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: got a team like that and you've got a chance

662
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: to put the the you know, the foot on their

663
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: neck or however you want to say, go for the kill,

664
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Speaker 3: whatever it may be, you got to you gotta put

665
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Speaker 3: them out of their misery. You don't want to give

666
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Speaker 3: them a reason to want to say, hey, we can

667
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Speaker 3: win this game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, you're absolutely right. Yeah, you cannot give them hope. Uh.

669
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Speaker 1: And that happened, and then, you know, the the snowballs

670
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: to speak, started running down the hill.

671
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: Later they started lying stands, you know, because.

672
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Speaker 1: But you know, again, I it was a bad game.

673
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I get it. All the criticism that they get they

674
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: deserve in my opinion, for a bad game. But uh,

675
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not drawing any conclusions from you know,

676
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm just not And there were some factors to me

677
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: that you know, playing on the road on a Thursday

678
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: short week after a Ravens game, that's I'm not going

679
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: to say it's unfair because that, you know, I think

680
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: that's taking it too far. But I do think that

681
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: that's something that should be considered.

682
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certainly not insignificant.

683
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Speaker 5: The Thursday night game against the Browns could happen here

684
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Speaker 5: once in a while too.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know a lot of dude, and uh,

686
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: you know again, Uh, the officiating to me is is

687
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: it's it's awful every week in different ways. The you know,

688
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the Beanie Bishop call I didn't get that the one

689
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy third down conversion where he grabbed Joey Porter's

690
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: face masks and pushed off in order to catch the pass,

691
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: and that wasn't called. Uh. The holding on Cam Hayward

692
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: on Jameis Winston's fourth down touchdown run, that was ridiculous.

693
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: Herbert on that one as well, that was uh.

694
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Speaker 1: And then and then the hail Mary, I mean seriously,

695
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: Newsom just grabbed him and wrote him out of.

696
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: Bounds the whole way down the field, the.

697
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: Whole way down the field. Speaking of that, Casey's penalty

698
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: on the punt thing, he was grabbed and pulled out

699
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: of bounds into the bench and they called a penalty

700
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Speaker 1: on him, you know, for that blocking the guy out

701
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Speaker 1: of bound. Yeah, yeah, blocked anybody.

702
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Speaker 3: Which would have been a massive I mean, they would

703
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: have had the football inside their own twenty at that point,

704
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: so right as the Steelers that would have had the

705
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: football midfield again, I should say, because it was a

706
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Speaker 3: fifty or seventeen yard punt. Instead they moved back inside

707
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Speaker 3: their own twenty.

708
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Speaker 1: So but they didn't do enough to overcome some of

709
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: that early stuff. It's snowballed again. I keep using that

710
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: analogy and how could you not based on what that

711
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: looked like towards the end. But as I said, it

712
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: was an awful performance. They lost. They deserved to lose. Now,

713
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, let's move on, get back to doing things

714
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: instead of worrying about you know again some of the

715
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: sidelight side show things that I think a team that

716
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: has won five in a row might allow itself to

717
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: be seduced by. Okay, that's over. Now, let's go back

718
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: to what it was when this new kind of I

719
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: don't even know what to call it, new new presentation

720
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: of the offense. When you when when the decision was

721
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: made to go with Russell Wilson to try and pursue greatness.

722
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the things that worked then that

723
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: he can do well, and let's worry about doing those

724
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: on a more consistent basis at a high level than

725
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: adding to it, because I just don't think more in

726
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: terms of menu is necessarily better, especially on offense.

727
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 5: Focus on the Turkey labs. Forgive me if I don't

728
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 5: remember this crystal clear, because I think it was a

729
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: sharky's conversation we had. But from what I recall, you

730
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 5: had the unclear conversations.

731
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Speaker 1: Earlier.

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Speaker 5: But I recall you having the greatest of respect for

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Speaker 5: mister Burrow.

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Speaker 4: You're a big fan, big fan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I uh. Personally, I think that he's the

736
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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the ANFC wars. He's the guy. You

737
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Speaker 1: know again, Lamar Jackson is electric highlights, you know, all

738
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But Joe Burrow, uh, to me,

739
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: plays the position closer to the way you need to

740
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Speaker 1: play it to be a championship team in the NFL.

741
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Speaker 1: And the other thing I credit Joe Burrow with that,

742
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: you know, Lamar Jackson did not do. He didn't have

743
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Speaker 1: to do because the Ravens were not in the situation

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: as a franchise that the Bengals we're in a situation

745
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: where but when Burrow joined it, you know, Joe Burrow

746
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Speaker 1: is I don't even know if this is right. I'm

747
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: not up to my nursery rhymes. But Joe Burrow to

748
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: me is the pied piper. He makes all of them

749
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: believe and follow him. And for the Bengals in the

750
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: his their history, to me, that's significant.

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00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: Uh So he's a franchise heater.

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00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes he is. Well, you know they

753
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: haven't really won anything yet, but let me say this.

754
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: They are much more dangerous with him than in my opinion,

755
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: they ever were even.

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Speaker 4: With and those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken Anderson even so, he's an assassin, Yes, yeah,

758
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is. I mean, you know, he's he's ridiculously accurate.

759
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: He's a tough guy. I yeah, I would say I

760
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Speaker 1: would point to him if you would say to me, Okay,

761
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Speaker 1: you're going to start a team and you can pick

762
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Speaker 1: any of the quarterbacks in the AFC North, who do

763
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: you want? That's who I want. I want him. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying that the Bengals will score. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow is going to have success. In my opinion, that's

766
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Speaker 1: something that is going to happen. And I don't know

767
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Speaker 1: that it's.

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Speaker 6: A statement that the Steelers defense is lacking if he

769
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Speaker 6: does have success, I just think he's that good and

770
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Speaker 6: he has enough weapons.

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Speaker 1: Around him to make those weapons. You know, Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: is Jamar Chase because of Joe Burrow. I don't think

773
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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is Jamar Chase. With Kenny Picktt as an example, well,

774
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not ripping Picktt. I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: There's a large difference between Kenny and Joe.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but what I'm saying is in that instance, in

778
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Speaker 1: the Jamar Chase, or let me say this, in the

779
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Speaker 1: using a receiver as an example, Burrow makes them if

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00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: they're good, he makes them great. Other quarterbacks, you know,

781
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: may just you know, take advantage of what he has

782
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: in a receiver as opposed to magnifying his abilities with

783
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Speaker 1: the way he plays quarterback, if that makes any sense.

784
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Speaker 1: So that's why the Steelers offense has to perform on Sunday.

785
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Speaker 1: They have to score. I don't know that they win

786
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: the game without at least thirty points. I think that

787
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals offense is that good.

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Speaker 3: Our guest has been Bob Labriola, editor of steel Digest

789
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: and Steelers dot Com and the Dean of doom and

790
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: lord of living in his fears. Bob will let you go.

791
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next week. But have a happy Thanksgiving.

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00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the turkey in the oven.

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Speaker 3: What about the accouter monts? Have you spent a lot

794
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: of time on those?

795
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: None at all at all? You know? And seriously, when

796
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I sit my fat button down and start eating Thanksgiving dinner,

797
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: if you look up my plate, there's a whole lot

798
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: more turkey on it than granberry sauce or mashed potatoes

799
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Speaker 1: or you know any of the other accoutramont.

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Speaker 3: Well enjoy. We'll talk to you next week, Bob. That's

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Speaker 3: how Bob Labriola, Editor of Steelers dies. He's Matt Williamson.

802
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: I am Dale LOLLI you're listening to the Drive here

803
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more

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Speaker 3: right after this.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black Gold

807
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 3: Radio, and we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson, and I have that Bengals injury report

810
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Speaker 3: for Wednesday. Logan Wilson with a knee did not practice.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: I didn't think there was anything big issues with them,

813
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: but okay.

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Speaker 3: Sheldon Rankins with an illness did not practice.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that doesn't sound Chances already plays.

816
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, a bunch of guys limited, Amarius Mims with an ankle,

817
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: Charlie Jones with a groin, Orlando Brown limited with a

818
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Speaker 3: fibula injury, and Joe Batchie a linebacker is limited with

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Speaker 3: a hip and then not practicing because they were arresting

820
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Speaker 3: veterans or T Higgins and BJ Hill.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so Orlando Brown is really the only one. I'm

822
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 5: kind of well Wilson, and Wilson is new to me,

823
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: kind of a big deal. Yeah yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 5: the green doc guy for them. He's above average starting linebacker.

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00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Mean, he's a good player, you know. Yeah, so it

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Speaker 5: would be too big one. Yeah, that's where they're at.

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Speaker 5: And of course we won't. We don't have a show

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Speaker 5: the rest of the week. So that's kind of where

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Speaker 5: we're at. You guys are on your own report.

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Speaker 3: You have to check that out. I'll of course tweet

832
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: them out and things of that nature. That Hendrickson stuff

833
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: that we talked about before the break, before he before.

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Speaker 4: We got to Bob, the crappy teams.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I've been sitting here while we're while we're

836
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: talking to Bob, and I'm looking at this. I'm going

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Speaker 3: he had no quarterback hits, no SAX against Baltimore. Okay,

838
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: he had no quarterback hits, no SAX against the Eagles. Okay,

839
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Speaker 3: he had no quarterback hits. They beat Carolina. He had

840
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: didn't have anything in that game, but those the games

841
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: when they played the good teams, the really good teams.

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Speaker 3: Other than the Kansas City game, he's done nothing.

843
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, really really good football players.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 5: I love the player, But I again, I think that's

846
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 5: the difference between him and the Watts and Bosas of

847
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 5: the world is even when you go insanely crazy to

848
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 5: stop them, they still make big plays.

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00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's less.

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00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 5: Of course they have to run a gauntlet to get there,

851
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: but they still show up more.

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00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: But he's not even a big tackle guy nos vent

853
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: His high for his high this season for tackles as four,

854
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: which is one of the reasons why you can run

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00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: the ball against him.

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00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

857
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's just not great against the run. No,

858
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: he's not.

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00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 5: I mean he's there to get sacked and he does

860
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 5: it really well. The Raiders thing boggles my mind. I mean, like,

861
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 5: how do you let that keep going? Yeah, I mean

862
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 5: it'd be different if it was de Marcus Ware and

863
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: von Miller. And you have to pick your poison, and

864
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: I keep picking wrong.

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Speaker 3: At some point, if I'm Gardner, minshew, I'm looking over

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Speaker 3: at the sideline going really come on.

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Speaker 5: Right, Like if the result if you would have told me, boy,

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Speaker 5: he had three sacks in the first half, didn't sniff

869
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Speaker 5: the quarterback again.

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Speaker 4: But Hubbard had two in the second. Okay, at least

871
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Speaker 4: you made an adjustment. You know, what are you doing?

872
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

873
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: Four sacks, seven quarterback hits in that game.

874
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, right, come on, man, and there's one weapon, yeah,

875
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: you know, and it's a really good one.

876
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

877
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: He's the only guy we saw the difference. I mean, say,

878
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett on Thursday night against the Steals gets three

879
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: sacks in the first time, two against Dhan Moore, the

880
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: other one. He's stunted and came up to you didn't

881
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: have anything in the second half. I mean they went

882
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: in a halftime he said, we're not going to allow

883
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: that to have Whether it's something to do course, whether

884
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: everyone's past, but they were throwing the ball more in

885
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: the second half too.

886
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: They were they were trying to come from behind, and

887
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: you know, if other people beat us, so be it, right,

888
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 5: but we.

889
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: Can't let that guy. Right, they approached the teams have

890
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: taken with TJ.

891
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 4: Watt.

892
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: Of course, we're not gonna let that guy beat us,

893
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: you know, And I.

894
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 5: Assume since he will take the similar approach to Watt,

895
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 5: I mean, it's pretty low hanging fruit to say we

896
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 5: got to help the rookie court or right tackle.

897
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: Their problem is they can't help against Cam Hayward.

898
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 5: With Cordell Ross, we even talked about that enough Cam's

899
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 5: gonna destroy He's gonna kill him. I mean, after the

900
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: performance of the line had last week, led by Cam

901
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 5: emotionally leadership, I think that d line going to.

902
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Have a really big day.

903
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: Oh nobody gets the pride worked up more than Cam.

904
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: And right, how about this little stat that that the

905
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: NFL sid sent out today is.

906
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: Not horrible, but I mean no, but he has to

907
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 4: deal with Hayward a lot.

908
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: Is that in here somewhere? I saw it somewhere, But

909
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: their their run defense when Cam is on the field

910
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: as opposed to when he's not on the field. I

911
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: didn't see that like a two yard per carry average difference.

912
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 5: I've heard some people that I greatly greatly respect in

913
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 5: the media, some of the podcasts I always listened to

914
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 5: have thrown out there that he's been the best defensive

915
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 5: player in the league this year.

916
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 4: Number One, you don't run a pretty strong.

917
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: Don't run the football against the Steelers when Cam Hayward

918
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: is on the field.

919
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he greatly influences the passing game.

920
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 5: He gets his hands up into flex balls, he chases

921
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: things down. It's a real short list of defensive players

922
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: having a better year.

923
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, real short And he's got a real good chance.

924
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: We first team All Pro defense tackle.

925
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: At thirty five.

926
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Right.

927
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: People said he was washed up. Not on this show.

928
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: I was worried. I mean, I just haven't seen it.

929
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: You were saying he was washed up. But there were

930
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: people out there so all you can't sign him doing

931
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: a contract session, It's like, no, that was a no brainer.

932
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

933
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 5: Right, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at this point,

934
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 5: but I'll roll my ill I on that guy.

935
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: Right, this is his best year. That's remarkable.

936
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: He's I mean two years ago I said the same thing, like,

937
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: this is his best year of thirty three.

938
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 4: This is remarkable. He gets better all the time.

939
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: It's amazing. At some point it's not going to happen,

940
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 3: but it's not happened yet.

941
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable. Yeah, and the leadership and all that stuff too.

942
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: As a massive effect.

943
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 3: He he always says he has wolfing wolverine blood.

944
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, heals super quick.

945
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: It might actually be the Wolverine. Yeah, he might be

946
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: two hundred years old and still doing. What he's doing is.

947
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 5: Keep doing it in the Bacond quarterbacks. Yeah, it's really something.

948
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 5: It's amazing, unbelievable year.

949
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get through a break. He is Matt Williamson.

950
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: I'm Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

951
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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. That's going to do it for

952
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: our number one, Matt, and he'll be back with our

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Speaker 3: number two right after this