WEBVTT - Peacemaker with Chukwudi Iwuji 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.000 Warning. This podcast can take spoilers for Peacemaker or HBO Max, 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.479 as well as the DCEU in general, some comics, most 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:13.000 notably the Peacemaker limited series original limited series from DC 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.160 in the eighties, and oddly enough Avengers, Age of Voltron 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.840 and X Men First Class, and probably a little bit more. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.200 You have been warned. If you haven't watched those things, 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:42.560 read those things, you may get spoiled. Hello, my name 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.520 is jasonce Upchiana. Welcome to x ray Vision The Crooked Podcast, 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.600 where for twenty five episodes we have doven deep into 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.840 your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. In today's episode, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.840 on previously on some casting News, Paul Dano's full immersion 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.680 into the meat Suit of the Riddler, of some Thor 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:09.360 Love and Thunder Lego news, and some other stuff about 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.120 Marvel in the Airlock, we will be talking about HBO 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:16.120 Max's Peacemaker, the finale of which aired last week. In 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.880 the high Mind, we are joined by Peacemaker star Chuck 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.560 Woody Woujie, who plays Mern on Peacemaker and is a 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.200 wonderful human being, and we had a great conversation underd out. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.399 A listener tells us why we should care about the 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.120 legend of Vox Makina on Amazon and in the endgame. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.240 Who is our favorite villain turned hero and joining me 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.840 today to talk about everything is the brilliant, the talented, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.720 the hilarious, the only one who could be here today 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.760 for the twenty fifth episode of X ray Vision. It 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.160 is a great Rosie night, Rosie. How are you today? 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.080 I'm happy to be here. Happy twenty fifth episode. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.920 We made a quarter century of x ray Vision. Wow, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.920 spanning the generation. We've done it, folks. Okay, let's get 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:10.760 to the news. First. Up, some casting news for Craven, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:16.160 the Sony Pictures Spider Man Universe property. We already know 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.240 that Aaron Taylor Johnson, the very handsome Aaron Taylor Johnson 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.280 from kick Ass and other fame, is the titular Craven, 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:29.160 the Russian hunting enthusiast who so annoys Spider Man throughout 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:34.280 his various comics adventures. He will be joined by Fred Heckinger, 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.760 who you might remember from White Lotus if you watch 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.600 White Lotus. He is the younger brother who has to 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.480 sleep in the closet because his sister and sister's friend 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.320 find him annoying. He is coming on to play a 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.760 role that we don't know what the role is yet, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.200 but there's a lot of scuttle bout out there that 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.520 it could be a Chameleon who is of course Craven's brother. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.480 Any thoughts of this, Rosie, It is. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.959 Very out of there. I think the the rumors being 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.840 that it's Chameleon and specifically the half brother of Craven, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.160 which is like a real like nineties thing. I think 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.760 that's very interesting to me. I love Aaron Taylor Johnson. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.000 I think he was wasted. I'm in the MCU, so 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.400 I'm excited to see him get another chance here. I 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.160 dream of a world where we see the real Craven costume, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.000 like you know, the I hope that we get some 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.840 fun things like that. I also think it's really interesting. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.320 I mean, this is great casting, like Fred is really great, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.400 so go for it. But I think it's really interesting 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.240 that the rumor around Russell Crowe, who was also reportedly cast, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.880 is that he's going to be Craven's dad. So I'm 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:48.600 interested in this weird like family, interesting legacy kind of 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:49.560 villain movie. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.800 I hope we get the Nick Spencer version of Craven, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.000 which is kind of like leans into the humorous side 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.400 of Craven a little bit more rather than like eighties 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.880 and nineties, you know, really really super super dark Craven. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.240 I will say that I agree with you, Aaron Taylor Johnson. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.040 I have always been a big fan, going back to 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.080 kick Ass. I think that I agree with you. He 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.920 is wasted, as as Quicksilver the Marvel Universe. But I 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.400 just want to say this, his death is one hundred 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:25.719 percent Hawkeye's fault. One unquestionably million, hundred billion, trillion percent. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.560 Hawkeye gave up. If you go back and watch I know, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.760 if you go back and watch that scene, Hawkeye grabs 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.279 the kid and then the gun starts shooting towards him, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.960 and then Hawkeye could he could dive out of the way, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.359 He could dive left, or he could dive right. Instead, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.359 He's like, you know what, I'm gassed out. I'm just 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.960 going to turn my back and not watch us both 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.320 get shot. And that necessitated Quicksilver having to come in 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.080 and save the day, and of course Quicksilver dies, And 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.479 again I blame Hawkeye for. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.839 This undred percent. Also, couldn't he have shot fast arrow? 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.239 Like we know that he's quick. Also, I'm just gonna 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.159 say it out that this is like to me, this death, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.960 especially because this is cool casting, even if it didn't 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.360 necessarily go the way it is also spoilers for Age 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:18.240 of Ultron Lowell. But like, this death to me is 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.719 up there with unacceptable deaths in a comic book movie. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.600 This and Darwin in Fast Darwin Can Die. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.960 I don't ever want to talk about that again, because 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:34.200 that movie. That movie is really good actually, except for 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:40.040 killing Darwin in the fashion and again spoiler killing Darwin 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.200 in the fashion in which he dies. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:43.560 Yeah, it's I. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.400 Don't even want the only black mutant in the fucking movie. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.120 It's terrible. Oh, we would not die like that. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.799 And then also, don't forget about Zoe Kravitz's Angel Salva. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:55.320 Yeah yeah, but. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.480 Written out yeah the movie. But yeah, that Darwin can't die. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.360 He literally evolves the point of the mutation. And Quicksilver 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.880 cannot get shot to death because he is quicksilver. He 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:06.360 can move. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:13.000 Bullet, he can outrun the bullets. Folks het Okay, but yeah, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:13.760 he will be any here. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.160 This is good casting. And if you saw TenneT and 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.320 you managed to get through the first half and watch 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.719 the second half where it kind of changes, he is 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.320 when I saw him in that movie where he has 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.440 a brilliant but small role. That's when I realized why 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.000 they cast him in this, Because if you think about 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.080 him in Kick Cass or Quicksilver, it doesn't necessarily make sense. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.680 But in Tenne, you see him and you're like, oh, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:35.200 that's Craven. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.360 Next up, Marvel's Horror Verse is beginning to take shape 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.919 some casting news for the upcoming Blade project. Aaron Pierre 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:51.320 from Krypton from Old from Barry jenkins upcoming Lion King prequel, 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.640 has been cast in an unknown role in Marvel's Blade, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.640 starring mar herschel Ali of course as Blade, and also 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.800 Delroy Lindo. According to Deadline, role is said to be 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.960 quote one of the more highly coveted parts in Hollywood 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:10.760 since Basaanterarique was tapped as director last fall. Rosie, who 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.000 do you think this means? Who does this mean? 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.880 This is just such a good I have to say, right, 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.520 so often when we get these castings where like, oh, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:19.800 of course we don't know who it is. They don't 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.520 want to really but like reveal it. But this is 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.440 so well done that they snuck this little line where 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.120 they're like, it's one of the most, so we know realistically, 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.920 this is my read. It's not somebody who we know 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.880 from Blade because in the Blade comics there are not 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:40.000 that many famous characters right aside, and because Aaron Pierre 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.680 is a guy and he's older. A lot of the 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.520 rumors about the Blade movie for a long time, whether 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.280 it was going to be about Blade's daughter, which was 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.120 based on a comic that never came out. That doesn't 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.120 seem to be the case. I think it has to 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.920 be a character who's going to be in multiple MCU things. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.280 Which is why they say saw it after. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.240 People want to be in the MCU. You want the 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:02.240 consistency of work, the money, the the prestige, the platform. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.840 So I think this is my guess. Because Apia has 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.240 every powerful eyebrows, I think he's going to be Dracula. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.920 This is amazing. I mean it's a great pick, of course, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.440 probably the most classic Blade villain. For those of you 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.000 who have who are up on Blade's comics canon, that 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.800 would definitely mean he would be around for a while. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.120 I love it. That's a good one, man, Geez, I 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.920 was thinking something, I don't know, something much more low level, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.760 like Vampire X or something like that. But I guess 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.559 that's I wonder if Vampire X is too close to Blade, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:42.000 Like if that's too much, Like so Vampire X is 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:49.679 an ultimate Marvel vampire character, extremely well trained like Daredevil 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.240 level fighting, a martial arts ability, and can really go 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.800 toe to toe with Blade in that regard, but that's 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.400 not I do like I like Dracula better. I wonder 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.880 I like your pick better. I think Dracula is a 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:03.280 great pick. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.760 I think it's really fun and I think like it's 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.280 exciting because it's like, is the reason that this casting 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.240 was announced now because he's going to be in Moonnight 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.880 before we see him in Blade? Is he Could it 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.960 potentially be that he's going to be in that Halloween 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.280 special that we all are pretty sure is a were 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.200 Wolf by Night kind of secret back door something that 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.040 we talked about in pre pro is Like, could it 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.040 be that they were potentially casting a character from one 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.280 of the Blade movies who they're going to like recast, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:29.440 which I do. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.400 Also think is Deacon Frost. Deacon Frost. Deacon Frost would 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.240 be the definite pick in that regard. I do wonder 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.520 because this really runs up against Kevin Faigy's stated philosophically 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.400 of never really rebooting something. So I do wonder how 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.200 Deacon Frost of course is dead per the Blade movies, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.800 so I do wonder he's a vampire also, so it 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.520 wouldn't be that hard to be like he came. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.720 Back the Ultimate get Out of Blade. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.120 Yeah, whatever the case, I'm really excited to see who 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.160 he's playing, and I can't wait for the Blade movie. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.000 I'm really really I mean, this is like a whole 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:10.480 another paradigm shift for the MCU, a real, real opening 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.920 of like we've seen Spy Marvel, right, We've seen Cosmic Marvel, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.960 We've seen Superhero Marvel, We've seen street level Marvel on 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.800 Netflix and other places, and this will be our first 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.360 real fora other than Doctor Stranger in the multiverse Honist, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.040 which will give us hints of it real. Blade will 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.679 be our real fora into horror Marvel. Very very exciting 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.440 Batman news. Batman of Course. The Batman, directed by Matt Reeves, 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.679 is scheduled to come out on March fourth. Get your 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.839 tickets now if you can. Paul Dano, who is playing 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.800 the Riddler, was quoted recently saying that he got so 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.040 deep into the Riddler that he just basically couldn't get 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.080 those Z's quote, there were some nights around that I 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.400 probably didn't sleep as well as I would have wanted to, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.280 just because it was a little hard to come down 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.280 from this character. It takes a lot of energy to 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.000 get there, and so you almost have to sustain it 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.440 once you're there, because going up and down is kind 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.120 of hard. He continues another quote about being wrapped in 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.360 plastic wrap for a scene in the movie. I almost 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.320 couldn't sleep because I was scared of what was happening 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.199 to my head. It was like compressed from the sweat 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:16.920 and the heat of lack of oxygen. It was a 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.240 crazy feeling. All of which is to say, there will 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.920 be a lot more X ray vision coverage of The 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.120 Batman as we near The Batman, which is very exciting. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.560 But Paul Danel, please take care of yourself anything. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.920 Yeah, I mean, this is like the Batman movie tradition, right, 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.200 Like you have to if you're playing the villain, you 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.839 have to tell a story. And it's really funny because, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.120 like I'm very intrigued by Matt Reeves take. I think 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.800 that this grounded idea of a Zodiac inspired riddler is 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.199 really interesting, and this leads into that, but it always 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.360 reminds me of this tweet that I saw right by 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.360 this when they first announced the Paul Dano casting, there 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.120 was a tweet by this guy, Casey Lawrence. He said 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.720 he ain't even in costume and look like someone that 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.400 tell Hella riddles for no re And I just think 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.200 all the time about that, where I'm like, you cost 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.720 the guy who legitimately just looks like he would tell 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.000 riddles and you cover his face like yeah, but no, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.240 I think it sounds good and scary and I'm into it. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.960 I'm into it as well. I will just add that 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:22.000 during the production and filming of nineteen eighty nine's The 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.920 Batman Movie, Jack Nicholson had it written into his contract 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.720 that he wouldn't have to be on set during days 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.520 that the Lakers were playing. So there's powerful two different approaches, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.600 two different approaches acting, and you can get however you 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.520 get there as long as you arrive is absolutely valid. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.360 And we wish Paul Dano the best and hope he's 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:47.000 getting some sleep now. Finally, our continuing coverage of Legos 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:53.880 potentially potentially spoiling movies spoiler sports, spoiler alert, potentially some 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.800 Lego news about four, Love and Thunder. A Lego set 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.200 titled The Goat Boat. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.600 Incredible has been has been spotted. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.840 It is a Viking boat pulled by two goats and 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:11.360 includes mini figurines of Thor and Mighty Thor, King Valkyrie, Corg, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.600 and Gore. This is uh and we've get here a 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.640 confirmation that Mighty Thor played by Jane Foster and King 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.559 Valkyrie titles will be featured in this film. We get 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.040 one of our first looks at Gore and the Necrosord. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.280 The Necro Sword, of course, being forged from the same 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.160 symbiote material as the original symbiote that would become Venom, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.359 would become Cartage, would become a whole suite of symbiote creatures. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.600 Now as Chris our producer Chris super producer Chris raised 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.640 in pre pro Lego has been known to throw a 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.600 few headfakes and pump fakes into the mix to try 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.200 and throw people off. They really sets in the past 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.000 that don't correspond to anything from the movies. They are 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:59.480 occasionally using the verbiage inspired by to denote that it's 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.520 not direct from the movie. But any thoughts on this listen, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.320 We've been waiting for the goat. Yeah you need the 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.880 goats to be in a Thorn movie, shouts to my 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.880 two Snatcher people out there. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.840 Yeah, we have always wanted the goats. They're needed. I 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:17.000 think this is a definitively ninety nine percent likely to 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.560 be inspired by Slash in the movie movie relevant. I 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.000 mean one the goat boat that sounds like Tiger. Why 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.520 TZ made it up? In no way, no way, Tiger 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.560 did not make that up. That's hilarious. Also, it was 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.200 very telling. So this got announced on like a I think, 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.480 like an ABC Good Morning Show and uh and the 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.920 way that they posed it. They hid Gore and Cork, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.440 but it reflected in the bottom of the table, and 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.880 I think that ended up being why they released it properly. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.840 So I think that to me says, you know, we 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.240 know Gore is in the movie. That's yeah, you know. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.000 And I think that it's really cool that we're getting 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.000 to see the necro sword. I like the way that 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.000 these toy reveals and Lego stuff kind of bring you 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.280 back to that kid of comics. So like seeing the 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.560 neck resort in like Lego is really fun. It's kind 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.200 of like, you know, thinking of action figures when you're 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.840 a kid, and that being the first space that you 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.000 see these things. So I think it looks really fun. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.280 I love Tiker's Thor. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:16.080 I love Sam. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.880 We both have talked so much about, you know, the 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.560 Mighty thorun how much we love Jane Foster thought Natalie Portman, 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.680 that's brilliant casting. I love King Valkyrie. I love Tessa 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.000 Thompson like I'm just ready for this weird, delightful movie. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.680 Let me ask you a question, coming out of Love 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.960 and Thunder, does Jane continue as Thor for another movie? 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.280 Do you see a world in which it splits? 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:38.520 Right? 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.440 You have Thor maybe in his own stuff, having his 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.360 own adventures, just like in the comics. No longer the 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.360 actual god Thor, but he has storm Breaker, and he's 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.880 going off and having his own adventures finding out who 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.040 he is. Not the first time that he's been separated 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.680 from his hammer and comics cannon, but certainly one of 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.440 the most emotionally evocative, and through that run we get 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.880 a lot of time with Jane as Thor. There are 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.560 a lot of reveals in that run about really kind 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:14.000 of like quietly revolutionary canon updating reveals about the nature 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.680 of Mulnir and how it works where Thor gets their 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.320 powers from. Do you think we'll see Nellie Portman in 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:22.760 multiple movies as Thor? 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.400 I think so. I mean, if you look at what 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.120 they're building, something that I love to talk about and 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.080 we talk about on here is the way that they 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.720 seed in things in the comics to bring into the movies, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.440 or the way that they retroactively look back. So if 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.360 we look we have Sam Wilson as Captain America now. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.880 When Sam Wilson was Captain America in the comics when 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.320 it first really started, Jane Foster was Thor. She was 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.760 the Mighty Thor, and they were in an Avengers team together, 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.120 and that team also included some young heroes. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:51.760 I think, yeah, I don't know. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.080 I don't know if the Avengers as the title, we 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.120 know it will be what we see. But I do 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.960 feel like we'll see Mighty Thor in more than one. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.200 We're already essentially in the right space for it because 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.600 Thor as he is now, even though this is not 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.560 how I would consider him, because I love Thor, but 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.199 he is essentially the unworthy Thor. You know, he is 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.639 Thor who can't right he is, And that's where you 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.240 find Jane also Marvel wants and needs more female heroes. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.200 You know, you could even have like an A four 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.119 style team, like a female We're. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.600 Heading there, Yeah, I think we head there at some point. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.200 We get they teased it in endgame, right, you get 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.440 where he had the team up moment. You know she's 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.720 not alone, she has help. Excuse me is the line? Yeah, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.439 but I think we I think we're heading there, right 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.520 because we already have She Hulk now exactly get there? 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.199 And I think it's like they're they're they're reimagining what 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.200 it looks like. So like I think that if we 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.760 got it, it will be like She Hulk, you know, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.480 but it will probably be Monica Rambo and Miss Marvel 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.160 and Jane Foster thor. So you have that more diverse 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.040 idea of like who is a female hero in the MCU. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.840 And also the cool thing is we have the TV 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.720 shows now maybe Mighty Thor j Foster will be in 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.280 a romantic relationship with Sam Wilson and we'll see that 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.240 in a secondary series of that show, or we'll see 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.200 it in the potential Captain America for movie, because that's 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.200 something from the comics. I think there's so much fun stuff, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.960 especially because we know Thor is going to be in 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:20.000 a kind of as Guardians of the Galaxy cosmic hero situation, 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.480 which means mid God aka Earth needs a Thor, needs 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:25.200 a hero. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.560 A new protector. Yes, needs a new hero. So we've 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.240 already got the celestial sticking out of the Pacific Ocean. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:37.200 For those of you not up on semi recent Marvel 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:43.320 comics Cannon, the Avengers move their headquarters into a celestial, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.360 which clearly the celestial from the internals will be that. Yes, 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:49.480 when do we see that? Because I feel like that's 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.119 going to be the end of one of these big arcs. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.080 Is going to be like the last scene in some 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.880 movie is going to be Mighty thil Or Jane Foster, Yeah, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:05.760 Monica Rambo, I'm not sure who, Sam Wilson Captain America. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.040 All gathering in the celestial for like the first official 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.640 meeting of like the new Avengers. Yes, do you think 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.399 that happens like officially? And when do you think we 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:15.840 see it? 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.280 I think it's gonna happen. If it happens, and it 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.359 seems realistic because why else would they have that super 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.440 sick like celestial coming out of the ocean. It looks like. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:25.439 About that. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.520 Yeah, I think realistically that is going to be something 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.280 that probably happens around the time when whatever the judgment 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.480 that if you haven't seen The Eternals, The Eternals ends 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.960 with Circe being judged by Arisham, a celestial who's basically like, 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.720 you saved these humans, what was the point? Are they 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:45.119 worth it? 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:46.359 You're going to be judged? 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.240 You know. Eternal's divisive movie. But depending on which way 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.480 the MCU decides to go, there's lots of different ways. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.880 It could be eternal centric, but it could also be 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.960 a Galactus esque introduction. It could be something to do 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.040 with the Silver Surfer, it could be a different aspect 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.000 of cosmic heroics. And we know that the Eternals are 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.560 out there, Theena, you know, just Meut with star Fox, 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.200 all these different people. So I think at some point, basically, 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.879 whether or not the Eternals are involved, it will be 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:19.080 a response to another celestial or cosmic threat and they'll 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.919 be like, well, guess what, there's a celestial on this 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.240 Earth that was turned to stone by someone more powerful 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.720 than a celestial So that's probably a safe place to 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:26.360 just hang out. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.960 One more question before we move on to the airlock 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.400 and our discussion of Peacemaker. Okay, we've done Civil War, right, 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.760 We're gonna do house of them in some form of fashion. Right, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.360 they're coming. We haven't seen siege though, Asgard is on Earth, right, 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.440 so maybe that can happen work. But what gets us 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.600 to siege is the fallout from Civil War and other 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:54.240 superhero calamities is the Dark Reign when Norman Osbourne and 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:59.840 a coterie of similarly minded supercriminals and various other B 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.200 and C and D and E list super criminals rise 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.800 to take control of the you know, world security apparatus 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.680 because basically world governments are like, you know what, the 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.920 superheroes are fucking up all the time. Norman Osborne made 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.760 a good pitch, let's let him run it. It wasn't 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.720 an event, so to speak. It was kind of just 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.320 like an all around paradigm shift all the way through 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.520 the Marvel Universe of every book. But man, there was 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:24.840 some good stuff to come out of that. 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:26.320 I think we're on the way. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.280 And we've got the Thunderbolts coming now, right, I wonder 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.440 do we go to a place where there's a complete 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.040 paradigm shift where we're you know, we've already kind of 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.320 saw it with Thunderbolt Ross and various people saying we 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.919 need to legislate against enhanced persons. Does it eventually flip 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.280 where Thunderbolt Ross and others are like, we have to 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.440 actually crack down. Let's give control to couldn't be Norman 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.600 Osborne unless they got him as a variant from some 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.720 other place, but some other person like that, and let's 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.639 really let's do Dark Ring. Do you think we see it? 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.359 I think we're going to get a version of it. 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.400 I think we might already be building if you think 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.040 about another like key thing from Dark Rain is Lady Loki, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.640 who you know we just got, and also as well, 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.040 I think we're kind of already on our way to 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.320 some kind of Thunderbolts Dark Rain esque situation. For all 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.439 we know a Norman Osborne as he exists, either you know, 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.560 we have a multiverse now would be easy. People love 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.479 Willem Dafoe, but like I love Willem Dafoe, but like, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.399 it would be really easy to have a puppet master 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.400 pulling the strings of this US agent, you know, kind 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.760 of new version of whatever the Dark Avengers we know 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.280 abominations being trained by the sort of the new source 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.639 or supreme woe. So I think that we're very, very close. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.439 And I also think this links back to one of 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.280 our big conversation points, how do you introduce the X 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.160 Men when people with powers are not being oppressed? If 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.280 you set up a Dark Rain situation where people with 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:55.160 powers who are in quotes good are being legislated against 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.600 and it becomes this kind of one percent evil corporation, 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.760 then you immediately have a situation where mutants and heroes 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:04.960 would have to come together to fight against this kind 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.760 of bigger threat. And I think that that, in some way, 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.719 shape or form is going to be really relevant, especially 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.320 because a lot of times when I write about this 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.040 stuff or we're researching stuff, you go back to Dark 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.400 Rain a lot that eral it's just like, oh, where 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.400 did this character come from? Oh it was Dark Rain? 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.680 Where did this think? Oh? Oh it's Dark Rain? And 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.800 we know that the next big official which is so 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.280 great actually because I have a lot of thoughts about 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.680 how this links into Peacemaker, but like the next big thing, 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.920 that event comic adaptation that we know is happening. We've 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.360 got Secret Invasion, you know, as well as Armor Wars, 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.080 which I'm stoked for because I love already, but like 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:45.639 Secret Invasion that is confirmed, and again that kind of 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:50.160 brings in this idea of the distrust of superheroes. Who 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:51.680 is really a superhero? 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.920 Right? In the comics. In the comics, Secret Invasion led 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.800 directly into Dark Rain because the fallout from that was 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.119 people were just like, so you're telling me that for 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:06.600 an unknown amount of time, like several high ranking government 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.800 officials as well as superheroes were actually aliens like working 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.639 against justice, peace and security, Like what the what the 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.000 hell is this? Like, what are we going to do 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.719 about this? So and that caused a significant erosion of trust, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.560 and then of course you had to have Norman Osborne 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:25.600 and a bunch of dark Illuminati figures get together and 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.439 make a plan very very casually, but it feels like 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.040 we're gonna go there. I do wonder if so we're 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.160 doing the multiverse right now, this is the phase we're in. 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:39.200 I wonder if once we're through Quantumania, right, if they 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.600 will close the door, so to speak, on this particular 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:47.399 chapter of multiverse stuff, like whether it's incursion or whatever 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.680 device they use to kind of like close the door 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:53.320 on that. If we then move to a more grounded Okay, 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.040 let's let the bad guys run it, because when we 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:57.800 let the good guys run it, basically all we get 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.600 are destroyed cities, alien invasions, and et cetera. 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:03.600 And I think it leads into something. I think that 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.760 specific conversation is, like so much of what we talk 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.959 about and what makes this stuff special to us is 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.560 that it's this two way conversation between the people who 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.200 make these stories and the people who read them, and 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:19.480 that question of like the civil war question, the legislation question, 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.119 like who gave these people the right to go and 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.640 blow things up? And who chose them to be the protectors. 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.399 We're not talking about Peter Parker, the friendly neighborhood spider 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.960 man stopped like rescuing a cat and stopping people from 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.320 getting mugged, and even then like that's its whole own 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:39.199 sociopolitical conversation. But like we're talking about a teenager with 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:44.080 weld ending nuclear weapons. We're talking about Scarlet Witch, you know, 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.679 accidentally blowing up this building in Lagos. Like this is 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.920 this stuff that people get excited brillionaire to talk about. 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:56.880 A trillionaire is a trillionaire inventors like you know, various 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.680 inventions getting out after the whild Yeah, this is all 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.640 going to have an effect at some point, and we've 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.080 already got damage control. We know what exists in the universe. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.719 It feels like at some point we're gonna get that reaction. 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.400 I'm excited to see that. Okay, this has been really fun. 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.960 I can't wait to talk more about this stuff. But first, 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:28.280 let's go to the airlock and talk about Peacemaker. All right, 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.160 We're stepping out of the airlock and into Evergreen, Washington, 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.120 home of HBO Max's series Dear. 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.200 They really want to take. 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:42.480 That Peacemaker created by James Gunn eight episodes, which just 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:47.400 wrapped up last week. John Cena as Christopher Smith Peacemaker, 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.119 Daniel Brooks as Leota Adebayo, Freddie Stroma The Wonderful Freddie 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.360 Stroma slash dick On Tarlie from Game of the Thrones 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.919 plays vigilante Chuck Wooy Wooji is Clemson Mern. Jennifer Holland 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.879 is Amelia Harcourts, Steve ag The Wonderful Steve Ag as 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.919 John Economos and Robert Patrick as august Augie Smith, the 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.720 White Dragon, leader of the white supremacist faction of the 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.080 DC universe. Folks. It was a fun season one. Excited 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:18.399 for season two. Let's do the Lightning style recap Episode seven, 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:22.399 stop dragging my heart around? Are you ready, Orsy, I'm ready, 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.359 Let's do it. Okay, So the sounds of Motley Cruz 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.000 nineteen eighty five power Bell It hit Home, Sweet Home. 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.800 We flash back to Peacemaker's childhood and we see a really, 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.320 really troubling moment in which Chris and his older brother Keith, 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.320 you know, they are hanging out listening to heavy metal music. 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.320 Keith is showing Chris how to do the devil horns, 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.000 and then they are called outside by their father, Augie. 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:50.520 Their father would like his sons to bare knuckle brawl 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.560 in a not even like in an arena or squared, 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.320 just literally in a pit, in a hole in the ground. 0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.280 Chris punches his brother Keith. Keith suffers a serious brain 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:06.040 injury and dies, and Augie immediately blames Chris for Keith's death. 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.600 I've been wondering, you know, how they were going to 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.320 bring in Peacemaker's mental illness. You know, it's funny because 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:17.399 we've been talking about like Marvel's foray into a mental 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:22.080 illness storyline with Moonnight here is DC getting there first 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.679 with a character who is right out on Front Street, 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:29.119 like very very ill in his debut limited series from 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.399 the mid eighties. And here is kind of like the 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:36.960 origin story of Chris's really extreme trauma right here, we're 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:37.720 watching it happen. 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.120 DC getting it here first, I think is really key 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.200 to talk about with Peacemaker because as we talk more, 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.400 this is like basically their take on something we're going 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.320 to see from Marvel, and it's Yes, it's very interesting 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:53.800 to see this kind of exploration and look at PTSD 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.400 in the context of what is otherwise quite an outrageous, 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:58.480 like funny crass show. 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.680 We will delve into a conversation about what that exactly 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.320 is as we get to the end of this recap, 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:07.480 when they really start seeding in the stuff that seems 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:11.680 directly pulled from the comics that references Peacemaker's state of mind. 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.520 We go to the present day. Vigilante and Peacemaker are 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:16.600 on the run from the cops. Of course, cops have 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.200 just held a press conference in which they have called 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:23.720 for the capture, dead or alive, of Peacemaker. Meanwhile, Judo 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.160 Master has escaped, which is like barely mentioned. He's just 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:28.840 like out of there. There's too much going on. We 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.640 can't look for Judomaster right now. Judo Master has escaped. 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.600 He is back on the street. Peacemaker plans to take 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.960 Vigilante with him to go find the cow, the source 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.640 of the butterfly's food on Earth, and big spoiler, kill it. 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:43.960 That's gonna be the you know, listen, that's the plan 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.160 to hammer. Everything looks like a nail. Gotta go kill 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.800 the cow. So they head off with John Ecconomos. Meanwhile, 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.640 at a Bio is racked by guilt for her role 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:58.040 in framing Peacemaker. Harcourt, realizing that Auto Bio planted the 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.600 diary in Peacemaker's trailer. At Amanda Waller's Behes confronts out 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.120 of Bio for portraying her teammates. Ads is like, listen, 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.600 I'm not cut out for this mercenary life. I'm just 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.320 like a normal person, you know, Like I was running 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.720 a dog shelter. She doesn't say this now, but she's 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.560 like that was her life. She you know, lost her 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.520 job and then her mother, Amanda Waller, came to her 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.680 and was like, well, you need money, so why don't 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.600 you do this mern shows up. He knows that out 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.000 of Bio is Waller's daughter. Harcourt is still amazed at this, 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:30.720 and he says, listen, we need to get out of 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.320 here because the police and the police chief they're all butterflies. 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.280 They have access to their human bodies memories. Therefore they 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:41.080 know where all our locations are. Flash over to Juda Master, 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.120 what's he doing? He's hanging outside the easyps Mart, where 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.960 he quickly bushwax two assholes who were making fun of him, 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:52.240 and he steals their car. Little note for the for 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.120 the denizens of any superhero laden reality, if you see 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.000 someone in costume hanging out somewhere, don't just make fun 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.760 of them. Like you live in a world in which 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:06.600 multiple costumed people beat like people up all the time, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.200 So just like, don't fuck around. Why are you doing that? 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:15.160 Harcourt calls Chris, but Peacemaker doesn't want to answer because 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.040 he is too busy sitting hair metal while driving with 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.600 John and the Vigilande to kill the cow. Meanwhile, Augie, 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.760 Chris's father, is in his white dragon power suit. He 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.400 is with his Arian Empire gang. They are homing in 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:32.640 on Chris's location because every one of Peacemaker's helmets has 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.080 a GPS locator in it. They waylay our hero's delivery 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.680 van and a big fight ensuits with Vigilante unloads his 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.720 submachine gun into the White Dragon, and then as the 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:45.600 coup de grass to finally take out Augie, he throws 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:49.720 a grenade midway between himself and the White Dragon. Unfortunately 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.040 they're standing about nine feet apart, and so Vigilandi, who 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:57.040 is in the less the less sturdy suit, takes the 0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.800 absolute worst of the explosion. Chris and John look on 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:05.200 in horror they flee the scene. Peacemaker realizes at that 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.160 moment that his dad can track him through the helmet, 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.760 and so John Economos has the brilliant idea to tie 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:14.040 the helmet to a raccoon and they escape. The Vigilanti, meanwhile, 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:15.880 has managed to steal a car from one of the 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.800 Arian Empire, but he passes out like after driving a 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.960 quarter of a mile because again his body has been 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:27.000 shredded by shrapnel from the grenade they threw four feet 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.120 away from himself. The Butterflies close in in their cop 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.240 you know meat suits close in on Hardcourt Mernon out 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.480 of bio Mirn is killed by goth after revealing his 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:42.440 true nature as a butterfly and his name is Ichnoblock 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.959 is revealed to his fellow alien insects, Goth crushes him 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.479 to death. Harcourt and out of bio or like hiding, 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:55.080 like right there, they're like hiding. They're like hiding literally 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.680 like around the corner. Nobody sees them. That's fine. 0:32:58.240 --> 0:32:58.600 Uh. 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:02.240 They go and comfort for Ichno Block slash meron in 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.680 his final moments, and just as Harcourt is beginning to 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.280 grapple to struggle with the challenge that they now face 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.480 without their leader, Mirn Judo Master shows up to grapple 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.360 and struggle with them both. He knocks out out of bio. 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.360 A brutal brawl ensues, which finally ends when out of 0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.120 Bio like stun guns Juda Master for like two straight 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.840 minutes right in the side. His little body can barely 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:34.120 take all that electricity passes. Peacemaker and John find Vigilante 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.760 passed out on the car. They get in as eagerly 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:42.200 pecks it, John Economos's asshole and they escape. Peacemaker realizes 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.680 that Vigilante has a bag full of elements that he 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:50.840 stole from his dad's headquarters, meaning that one hundred percent. 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.680 His dad knows exactly where there are because of the 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.959 GPS inside of all of them. They pull over. Peacemaker 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.160 goes off to throw this bag into a field. Why 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:00.880 do you need to throw it into Just leave it 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.560 at the side of the road and drive away. 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:04.440 He's a bad decision maker. 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:08.880 He's not the smartest guy, which is part of the 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:13.240 fun with Chris Smith slash the Peacemaker. The Arians find 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.200 Peacemaker as he's trying to get rid of this bag 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.640 of helmets. They chase him back to the car proceed 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:23.400 to beat his ass as Eagleist flying around trying Eaglely's 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.560 very best to dissuade these people from killing his owner. Meanwhile, 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.120 John crawls like a half mile away. I don't know 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.480 why the sound from this fight wouldn't reach the part 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:38.000 of the forest where Vigilante is peeing against a tree 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:42.480 with his butt fully exposed. Here's the thing about peace 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:46.080 Regular that I love. Right, you get so much really 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.360 fun character lore that is now part of the history. 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:53.239 Like Vigilante is a real DC character, absolute psychopath. But 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:57.879 nowhere in this character's like lore history was it known 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.960 that he could not urinate if any kind of fact, 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:04.560 was touching his buttocks, but here we learned that about him. Meanwhile, 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.680 White Dragon is smacked eagerly to the concrete. Peacemaker charges 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:15.200 at his father and White Dragon unleashes like a unbelievable racist, homophobic, 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:19.080 nationalistic and just generally like means screed upon his son. 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.719 And it's only the quick thinking of Vigilante and John 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.880 Economos that managed to save Peacemaker's life. Chris then shoots 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.719 his father in the head after Augie is like, what 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.600 are you gonna do? Shoot me in the head? He 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.399 asked for He asked for it, and Chris weeps. Now 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:37.759 in the comics spoiler, Peacemaker's dad is already dead has 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.719 it also was shot in the head, but by his 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.480 own hand, commits suicide, and Peacemaker's dad is like a 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:51.120 flat out like an actual Nazi, like real real life 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:54.880 member of the Nazi party in the Waffen ss the 0:35:54.960 --> 0:36:00.200 whole thing and mold his son to following and his 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:04.279 footsteps for various reasons that I'm not gonna spoil because 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.720 maybe they'll delve into it. That programming was like disrupted, 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:13.719 and Peacemaker's role and character arc like as a hero 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:19.359 was unbeknownst to him, steered by shadowy forces who were 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:24.080 just like trying to keep his like fragile, semi destroyed 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:28.320 psyche together. So here we see Chris weep after shooting 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.840 his father, but then not too soon after, in various 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:36.520 other episodes, we see that Aggie continues to appear to Chris. Yes, 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.879 I think we're gonna get that this it clearly we're 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.040 gonna delve into this kind of broken psyche of Chris 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:46.000 Smith the Peacemaker through this. And I wonder, Rosie, do 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:50.440 you think we're gonna learn that Peacemaker's own history with 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.640 Keith the things that he remembers maybe aren't quite the 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.040 things that he remembers. Do you think that we're gonna 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:57.399 go there? 0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.920 I wouldn't be surprised because the one thing that I 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.799 think really stands out, and this could just be James 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.120 gunns A. He's a very eccentric storyteller. There can be 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.399 big tone shifts, but I do think something that's very 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.960 telling about this show, which kind of it swerves between 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:16.240 absolutely grounded and brutal, and like the opening this episode 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.160 with Chris and his brother is like a great example 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:22.680 of that. But there's these flashes of something more supernatural, 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.960 more superheroic. Right, But the one thing that really stands 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.840 out to me that doesn't really fit into the world 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.600 and feels purposeful is the fact that Augie is like 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.200 this inventor genius who has a secret lay. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.120 Even does that come from caaskforce. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.960 X don't have a secret lair? Like this guy has 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:40.680 a secret lay. 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:41.680 That's huge. 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.520 He makes all these different kind of helmets. We get 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.800 some really funny riffs on all the different kind of helmets, 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:51.040 but that feels like it's linked to something bigger or 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.319 something shadier. Also, like he's an idiot. He's like an 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.359 ignorant racist. Like I don't believe that he's a tech 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.680 genius in this right space that James Gunn has created 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.760 for him. So I think that you could be really 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.400 right about there being some kind of manipulation that harks 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.279 a little bit back more to the comics, especially with 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.360 the ghost stuff, because the notion of Peacemaker being haunted 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.399 by his father is like very much comics based, even 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.680 if it's not always as literal as they put it 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.879 in to the show. As we kind of go forward. 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:25.480 Okay, we continue Harcourt and ads recover after their scrap 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.560 with Juda Master, and now we get this really wonderful 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.200 moment where they the two bond and finally share like 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.680 things from their life with each other. Ads talks about 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:38.560 her previous job managing a dog shelter, talks about her 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:42.040 relationship such that it is with her mother, Amanda Waller, 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:46.799 the extremely ruthless, loveless Amanda Waller, who apparently wanted her 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:51.880 daughter to transition directly from helping animals in need to 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:57.800 like active counterintelligence and assassination work, which is like, okay. 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.000 Ads also not tell this is a notable. Did not 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.919 tell her mother that Mern was a butterfly, which is important. 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:10.440 Harror Court and Ads catch up with Peacemaker, Vigilante and 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:14.279 John at the local vets office, where Peacemaker is, of 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:19.520 course trying to heal eagerly. Harcourt talks Vigilante out of 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.000 like executing the veterinary stuff. He really really wants to 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:27.680 do it, but Harcourt manages it's really in a hilarious 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:28.600 fashion talking out of it. 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.320 But I just want to say, in a perfect character 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.960 moment that you were talking about. When she convinces him, 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.680 Vidg is then like, okay, well that's not dark tape 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:38.560 them because then it will hurt when they pull it off. 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:38.919 Right. 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:43.839 He's like the world's purest sociopath and I love him. 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.760 He is my favorite part of this show. Freddie Stromer 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:48.440 is icon. Give him everything. 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.000 I absolutely love him. He is so hilarious. The moment 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.160 when he's like, okay, but now you're telling them like 0:39:54.239 --> 0:40:01.040 stuff from my life is he is so okay. So 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:05.520 Ads walks back into the VET surgical medical rooms sees 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:10.120 Peacemaker praying over Eagley's corpse what can only be described 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:11.960 as a very touching scene of your animal lover as 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:16.400 I am. Eagerly then rises and he and Peacemaker embrace, 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:20.040 and we flash back to that earlier scene from earlier 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:22.800 in the season when Peacemaker is telling at a bio 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.319 about how he hugged Eagerly at one point and out 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.320 of bio just dismissing it and being like, you're crazy, 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.400 I don't believe you. At a bio is emotional that 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:33.920 this is kind of freaking out, calls Kia, her wife, 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:39.160 and suddenly is dedicated to this group of individuals. We 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.120 see the team now forming. She realizes she has to 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.399 help kill this cow. So the plan is to hit 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.560 the cow where it is and the cavern under the 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.440 barn before the butterflies have a chance to assemble their 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.280 teleportration equipment and get the cow out to a new location. 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.440 The team has come together, we could do the hilarious 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.799 moment we're Vigilante. Hardcourt asks them all if they are in, 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:04.960 if they're part of this team that is going to 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.239 take down the cow, and they're all like, you know, 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:09.440 piece workers, like yeah, I'm gonna do it, and then 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:11.160 Vigilante is like hashtag me. 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:16.040 Too, and it's such an honored so choked, and Freddie 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.319 Stromer is like the only person who can He's he's 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.840 so good because like he is a sociopath. Vidch is 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:26.040 a sociopath, but like throughout the show, he has in 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.399 the episode before this, he has this incredible moment where 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.759 he goes into the prison to try and to try 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:35.440 and like basically kill Peacemaker's dad and he does this 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:39.840 great speech where he asks all these neo Nazis what 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.600 their favorite contributions like black people have made to culture 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.040 art and he does this brilliant speech and like throughout 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.239 this they make him like very likable. So in the end, 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.120 like when he's the one making that joke. You're like, 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.279 he's just a pure kid who thinks he's shouting out 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.239 me too, Like he is that weird, Like this is hilarious, 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.839 and Freddy Stromer is an icon. I love him. 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.440 So the team heads off and we get a nice 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.560 character full circle moment as Hardcourt smiles at the heavy 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.600 metal music that's being blasted around her. And we're on 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.560 to the finale, episode eight. It's Cower Never in the 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.040 r V on the way to kill the Cow adds 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:19.400 it once again, trying to apologize to Peacemaker for setting 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.200 him up to be assassinated and take the fall for 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.440 all the various crimes that had happened throughout the series. 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.200 Peacemaker responds with a series of fart sounds, which is 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.560 like various fart sounds lifting the leg, et cetera, like 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.920 each each kind of like building on the other, until 0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:38.279 finally Vigilante joins in and Chris is like, duber off 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.759 it now, it's all now, like you got into it 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.719 too late. Chris ultimately does not accept the apology. He 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.080 is still I think, you know, rightfully hurt that out of. 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.160 Crime. I'm like, honestly, I'm like he deserved it. I 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.759 remember the Suicide Squad. I am Suicide Squad. I saw 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:59.879 this guy stop Rick Flagg who was alleged his hair 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.319 and his teammate did do that. So I think that 0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.799 in a bubble he is right out of Baio like 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.279 what were you thinking? Yeah, But in the context of 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.680 the thing, I feel like he should have a little 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.240 bit more understanding and empathy for someone who might betray 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.720 a team member, especially when they apologize. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:19.720 Great, great, great point. And you know, as Amanda Waller's daughter, 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:21.719 you know that it must take a lot for her 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.960 to apologize. When she's saying it, she really means. The 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.880 team arrives on the outskirts of the farm at Abaio 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.839 calls her mom, which is something that she hinted at 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.719 that she was going to do in the previous episode. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.719 Her mom Amanda Waller and is like, hey, can we 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.920 get an assist from the Justice League? He hook us 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.359 up here. You have the Justice League out here. We're 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:42.200 facing like a full scale alien invasion and a cow 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.760 of unknown size. We need some help. Unfortunately, Amanda Waller says, 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.080 there's no time for the Justice League heavy hitters to 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.200 arrive on the scene. Yes, they have two team members 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.279 that can travel at superhuman speed, one who can run 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.359 at mach levin and who can travel through time because 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.520 you can run so fast. But they won't make it 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.040 there in time. Sorry, They're just. 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:02.719 Not gonna make it. 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.560 And they're on the clock, of course, because the butterflies 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.200 are as we speak, working to teleport the cow out 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.239 of the barn. At a Bio conveys a message from 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.120 her mom to Harcourt that Harcourt is now in charge. 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.520 The butterflies are getting ready to teleport the cow out 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.160 of here. In moments, the cow will be in a 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:25.759 different location. Harcourt and Peacemaker scout the barn. Meanwhile, Peacemaker 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.280 is explaining all his various helmets, all the cool things 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.160 that the helmets that his dad made him, his White 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.279 supremacists father made him, and all the things they can 0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.840 do underwater breathing. Maybe not super useful right now, but 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.320 it's cool. Sonic boom will be useful very soon. Human 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:45.040 torpedo will be useful very soon, and more now. Right 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.839 after this, a very funny scene at of Bio accidentally 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.279 activates the anti gravity helmet, which goes flying off into 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:54.040 the air. And now our heroes need a new way 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.160 to get the sonic boom helmet to the barn. Somehow 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.600 Green Arrow's name comes up, and the Peacemaker is like 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.840 as he has done in hilarious fashion all throughout the series, 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:11.320 drops some probably not correct like information slash rumors about 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.800 the various superpowered individuals and super costumed individuals in the 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.000 DC universe, and he lets everybody know that Green Arrow 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.640 goes to Berny conventions and wears a costume with a 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.720 four inch wide butthole which is not as Vigilante asks 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.200 used for breathing, and it's probably not true, but John. 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.400 Economus does say. He says it's the one thing that 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.880 he does think is true, So who knows. 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:39.920 Steven Amel had some thoughts about this online this week. 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.960 So who knows. Never mind, because they can use Eagerly 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.240 to take the helmet over. So a Peacemaker tells Eagly 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:50.040 what to do. Eaglely overcomes its dislike of Harcourt, picks 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.680 up the helmet, flies it over to the barn. Is 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.840 going to be amazing, then flies over the woods and 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.880 drops the helmet somewhere over the trees. Okay, so what 0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.880 are we gonna do? The teleportationquipment is almost ready to go. 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.920 We gotta speed this up, folks. Our heroes pair up 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.160 to look for the helmet Vigan, Economos, Harcourt, and out 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.800 of bio Peacemaker and his dad. Wait what his dad? Sorry, 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:16.239 this is a fossilarm Augie is only there as a 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:20.960 very very realistic hallucination, a manifestation of Chris's extreme trauma. 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.920 So don't worry. Everything is fine and chill Peacemaker is 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.479 just having extremely realistic hallucinations of his white supremacist father. 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:32.480 This definitely will not play into season two of The Peacemaker, 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:36.040 don't worry about it. Meanwhile, Harcourt has just wandered up 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.960 and has witnessed Peacemaker shooting a poisoned dart into a 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:44.200 tree while screaming at his dad. Are we troubled by this? 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.279 We don't have time to be troubled by this, because 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.520 Harcourt finds the helmet buried under some leaves. Chris takes 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.600 out a butterfly sheriff steals his uniform. We flash forward 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.960 a few hours. They convince Economos to put on the 0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:01.200 butterfly sheriff uniform, despite the fact that it was very 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:05.920 recently covered in shit, and Economist goes in, carrying the 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.720 helmet in a toolbox. On the way into the barn, 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.800 officer fitz Gibbon, of course, who is one of the butterflies, 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.600 stops h questions him briefly, but then allows Economists to 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.799 continue in, at which point John gets a look at 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:20.800 the cow and it is fucking horrifying, rosy. 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:26.080 It's huge, it's massive, It's a giant, monstrous kind of 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.279 caterpillar esque thing. But the name cow does it very 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.839 specific and I will get into why as we go forward. 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.080 Yes, I'm very excited to very excited to hear about this. 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.400 John flips out about this. I mean he has just 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:43.200 seen like a animal alien that is the size of 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:47.880 like a whole section of an airport, that has like 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.480 I don't know eight or ten nipples that are continuously 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:55.080 being milked for its delicious amber fluid. John is like, 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.399 I'm out of here. He flips out, He's leaving, and 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:01.080 on his way out, Fitzgibbon stops him again, and in 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.919 his response to fitzgibbons questions about why his beard looks 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:09.480 so weird, John, in a wonderful character full circle moment, 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:16.200 very emotionally admits that, yes, as Peacemaker has inferred all season, 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.440 he does die his beard, and he does so because 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:20.680 he just feels out of place, feels out of place 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.840 in the world. He feels maybe not good enough. He 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:25.560 feels he's not young enough, he feels that he's not 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:27.719 in shape enough, and he wants to feel like a 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.920 different person, and he's the pathetic person. Feels like he's 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.080 a pathetic person, and that's why he dies his beard. 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:36.720 And the entire team hears this exchange over the radio. 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.440 Fitzgibbon is like, fine, I buy this, you can go away. 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.640 But then another of the butterflies finds the helmet that 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.520 John left in the barn, and they chase John, and 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.319 all hell breaks loose and here we go, We're going 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.960 to get the big fight. At a bio triggers the helmet, 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.160 which starts to cave the barn in on the cow. 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:02.520 The big fight is now fully engage. Peacemaker, Harcourt and 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:07.279 Vigilante run to the barn. They're shooting, punching, hacking their 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:11.640 way through the various butterflies. Chris sees GoF Duck into 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.840 a stairway, heading underground. He chases after a Meanwhile, Vigilante 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:20.320 and Hardcourt shot like multiple times out in the battle 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:22.160 in front of the barn. They fall to the ground 0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:25.279 with serious wounds. But before a butterfly can fully take 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.640 over Hardcore's body, it is climbing into her mouth. At 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.279 a Bio, showing that maybe her mom, Amanda Waller, knew 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:37.719 what she was doing. Maybe maybe at a Bio was 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.600 wasting her talents as the lowly And it's a noble calling, 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.239 so I don't mean to say lowly, but as a 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:48.240 mere manager of a dog shelter. Because at a Bayou 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:54.400 goes full John Wick on these butterflies like double guns 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:59.000 John Wu style, kicking, punching, shooting, fighting her way to 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.359 her friend Harcourt, who she saves, pulling the butterfly out 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.719 of her mouth moments before it can burrow all the 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:08.000 way in. At A Bio, now wearing the human Torpedo helmet, 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:11.520 follows the stairway down. As this is happening, Peacemaker has 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.360 managed to extract himself from the rubble, is immediately attacked 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:17.800 by golf. At A Bio appears, thinking I'm going to 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:21.080 save my friend activate Humor Torpedo. She goes cannonballing into 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:25.680 a wall and is knocked out koted. Golf is then like, 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.440 you know what, we need a third hand here, and 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.479 also I need to do an evil villain monologue because 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:35.120 that's what happens in these stories. So here's the deal. Okay, 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.680 it's me and Walker and we need a third set 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.040 of hands to throw that lever over there so we 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:45.720 can teleport this cow out of here. And here's the pitch. Okay. Actually, 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.080 your planet is on the road to ruin. It's on 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:51.040 the road to destruction. Same thing happened on our planet. Okay, 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:56.560 you politicians are not serving the people. The people are divided, 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.960 environmental collapse, military incursions, all of these things are happening 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.400 just in the exact same way that happened on our planet. 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.440 So let us invade. It's actually a good thing because 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.680 we are going to use our wisdom and our experience 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:15.600 to help the human race not fall into the trap 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:20.640 that we fell into. What do you think? And peacemakers 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:24.399 like activate human torpedo, sending at a baio, flying into 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:29.480 the cow's belly, killing it in absolutely fucking disgusting fashion. 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:33.160 He then kills Walker and kills Gough. Victory. We have 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.480 saved the day. Our team is walking away from the 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:42.120 ruins of the barn which hide below it the massive, 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:46.480 disgusting corpse of the cow. Chris is carrying the wounded 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.840 Harcourt in his arms, and just as they are walking off, 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.120 who should arrive but the Justice League minus Batman and Cyborg, 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:56.399 who again, somehow, despite the fact that they have two 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.680 speedsters in the group. I'm calling Superman a speedster. He 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:04.800 can go at superhuman speeds. Yeah, they have arrived too late. Somehow. 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:09.040 Peacemaker gives some hey, I know you fucked a fish 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:12.799 humor to Aquaman, who, believe me, has heard it many, many, 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.080 many many times before. This old hat for Ackman has 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.719 been dealing with this. Later, at the hospital, Chris and 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:21.680 out of Bio makeup, Peacemaker is a little bit worried 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:25.240 that per the Butterfly pitch from GoF that maybe he's 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.280 just doomed the world to the fate of the butterfly planet. 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.600 He's unsure about it. Out of Bio gets to address 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.040 the media. She clears Peacemaker's name and reveals that he 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.920 and VIGILANCEI were working under a program that was greenlit 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:43.680 by Task Force X, a Task Force X affiliated program it, 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:48.120 thus revealing publicly the existence of Task Force X, run 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.160 out of the Bell Reef Prison by her mother, Amanda Waller, 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.920 and which is a program that uses superpowered criminals to 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.600 send on suicide missions to basically save the world over 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:58.080 and over again. 0:52:58.239 --> 0:52:59.960 Yeah, you know them as Suicide Squad. 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.319 You know them as Suicide Squad. Whiller watches from Belle 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:06.600 Reeve and she is pissed. We get a series of pops. 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.200 Now as we head out of the show, Chris is 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.839 allowed to see Harcourt, who's recovering from surgery. A nice 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.960 warm moment there. At Obayo returns to her wife Ta Kia. 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:19.479 Wonderful moment there. John Economos limps back to Belle Reeve 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:21.960 and Taskforce ex his previous job. I'm glad that he 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:22.760 still has a job. 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:24.840 Somehow, somehow still has a. 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.600 Job, bringing with him fond memories and a wonderful picture 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:30.600 from the friends he made along the way. In the 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.200 fight against the butterflies. At the ruins of the Barn, 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.799 Jo Master shows up eating flaming hot cheetos and he 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:39.879 weeps a peacemaker and Vigilante or backs in fact having 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:41.640 fun in the forest. They're just like blowing up an 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:45.440 oldmobile with an artillery shell for fun Harcourt, we get 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:47.560 to watch her learning to walk again, and then later 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:53.440 at Peacemaker's RV, a butterfly shows up. Chris feeds it 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:56.640 some wonderful amber juice that apparently he had been saving up. 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:02.000 Then his dad appears on the and talks to him 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:05.799 in a very realistic way, even though we know that 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.240 this is a hallucination and we are off into season 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:13.799 two of The Peacemaker. Whenever that happens, let's talk about it, Rosie. 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.200 I think, as we talked about previously, it seems like 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:21.960 we are heading directly into the real comics lore of 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:26.279 the Peacemaker, as this person who is constantly bedeviled by 0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:30.239 the voice and image of his father, who as he 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.080 is doing, you know, in the middle of fights in 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.160 the comics, Peacemaker will hear the voice of his father 0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:38.080 being like, you need to be more brutal. You're not, 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:41.200 You're too weak. Why are you saving lives? You should 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:44.719 be exterminating lives. Clearly, we're going to be going to 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.480 this place. We talked about the parallels with Marvel's Moonnight. 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.000 How do you feel about this part of the Peacemaker 0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:54.759 story now clearly going to be part of season two 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:57.280 and Christmas story going forward. 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.759 I think it's very interesting because the key that this 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:04.400 finale sets up is something that could have been completely 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.600 gone in a total different direction, because it's really just 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:10.080 this episode. So James Gun did an interview where he said, 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:14.560 you know, in that moment when Chris decides to kill 0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.760 the butterflies and destroy the cow, he makes the worst 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.200 possible choice for the best reasons. So for the first time, 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:25.160 he puts his friends, yeah, and his connections before this 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:28.040 idea of peace and doing anything for peace, right, So 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.960 I think it's really interesting that we have this character 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.200 who's done the most abhorrent things, who is like the 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.600 most gnarly war criminal sociopath, but wants to be better, 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:41.919 and then you end this season knowing that while he's 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:46.399 on that quest for a better life, maybe some kind 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:49.919 of absolution or just caring about people, for the first time, 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:51.880 he's going to be haunted by this kind of dark 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:56.040 passenger Dad, who is going to be a counterpoint to that. 0:55:56.160 --> 0:56:00.799 And I think that goes intertwining kind of aspects of 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:04.080 Chris are going to be like the major point and 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.719 kind of conflict of season two as he tries to 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:07.879 do bat Yeah. 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:11.160 Guns told Deadline about season two of Peacemaker, I can't 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:13.520 say anything. It is connected to these universe. I don't 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:15.239 think it will be the same genre as Peacemaker. It 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.319 will be as much comedy as Peacemaker, but it will 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:19.359 be in the same universe. I think all of that 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:23.600 suggests that they probably will lean into that kind of 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:29.160 fractured psyche. The white supremacist voice that Chris is trying 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:32.040 to escape is going to continue to be a force 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:35.880 in his life. We should add that. Uh that over 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.760 the Green Arrow tweet, Steven Emmel shot back on Twitter. 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:43.480 He said, of that moment, haven't seen it of the show, 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.920 haven't seen it too busy showing scene of what professional 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.840 wrestling should actually look like on TV. I think this 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:51.160 was actually a joke. I don't think he's like actually mad. 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:52.200 I don't know. 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.000 I don't know if it's like I think it's like, 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:57.360 it's it's it's uh, it's k fab right, it's it's 0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:00.400 it's it's you do the you do the little be 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:02.759 so something Okay, so's something I want to talk about, right, 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:05.160 So we talked. You talked about the connection between like 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:11.040 this show delving into mental health and and PTSD. And 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.680 I wouldn't necessarily say that this is like that's like 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.759 the central thread, but I would say it's something that 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:19.800 James Gunn is clearly really interested in. I mean, to me, 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:22.200 that's one of the most powerful things about Suicide Squad 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:24.520 is looking at how all these people have been shaped 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:26.800 by the violence that they had to do. You know, 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:30.040 Idris Elba, his character has a lot of that Rat 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:34.520 Catcher Hers is an opposite version. So James Gunn obviously 0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.800 cares about this, and like you said, it preempts the 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:39.600 version that we're going to see of that in Moonnight. 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:44.360 We already saw it in Legion, the Fox show kind 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.720 of loosely based on the X Men character. 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:53.760 Charles and and loved and ignored some. 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.040 And that definitely it was very gray area of what 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:58.480 that what the exploration was, and. 0:57:58.440 --> 0:57:59.240 What the character was saying. 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:01.560 But there's something else that James Gunn did in this 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:04.560 show that in watching the finale and preparing for this, 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:08.480 James Gunn has preempted something else that Marvel is about 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:10.480 to do. And I bet that everyone at Disney is 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.880 absolutely pissed because do you know, what this show is, 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:14.560 and I'm gonna blow your mind out. I haven't already 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.360 thought of this. It's a Secret Invasion show. 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:18.240 I know. 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:22.560 The entire show is Secret Invasion. It is about a 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:27.040 world and a society that looks like our own that 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.000 has been taken over by aliens in all different high 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:33.080 parts of the government, which in Secret Invasion is the Scrolls, 0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:36.480 and it is about how they had to leave their 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:42.560 planet because of kind of cosmic immigration, planetary destruction, all 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.240 the same things as The Butterflies and this show. And 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:48.720 not only that. The reason that I know that James 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:52.040 Gunn is either the world's most hilarious troll and I 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.840 respect her, or he is very subconsciously. I know that 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.760 he is subconsciously influenced by every kind of comic because 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.280 the Suicide Squad, there is an argument that that isn't 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.640 every character in that is analogous to a character in 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.520 The Avengers, So here is obviously influenced. But the thing 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:11.360 that makes me think this is specific is that there 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:15.520 is a very specific part of Secret Invasion more that 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:17.680 ties into the Scrolls, which is the idea that in 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:19.760 the very first appearance of the Scrolls, some of them 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:24.960 get stuck as cows and is the Scroll Kill Crew comic, 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.200 which I feel like James Dun's probably a huge fan of. 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.360 There is a storyline about the cows alien meat becoming 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.800 a part of the the kind of the wider American 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.560 food stuff. Yeah, this whole thing, it's just secret invasion. 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:41.000 And I bet Disney is like so mad that Jay's 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:44.800 calling it the cow is amazing. Thank you for explaining it. 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:49.240 Here's my counterpoint, are is there probably people that are annoyed? 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:53.800 I think probably so. On the other hand, DC and Marble, 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:58.320 these two companies have been so interlinked, like, yes, they 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:04.680 are competitors, but they are constantly, I mean constantly ripping 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:08.520 off each other, taking each other's characters and putting their 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.520 own spins on it, taking each other's storylines and putting 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:13.800 their own spins on it. They are doing this constantly, 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:17.920 whether it's you go back to you know, Fanos and 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:22.520 Dark Soidles like their classic like you could go to 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:26.600 Moonnight and Batman, like there's a million of these, and 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:31.160 so I think viewing it from that perspective, and of course, 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:35.240 like whether it's you know, George Perez or Brian Michael Bendis, 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:38.960 there's been any number of creators who have gone between 1:00:39.000 --> 1:00:42.920 both companies and have had wonderful, happy creative careers at 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:45.600 both companies and have no problem whatsoever going from DC 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:48.720 to Marvel, DC to marveling back. So I think viewed 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:52.080 it from this perspective, this is like another one of. 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:56.600 Those things, Yeah, like where you know, where a creator 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:58.720 has moved from one side of the street to the 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:02.640 other and has included some sly reference as like how 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.560 many Superman jokes are in moraal Comics. 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:08.920 It's how many Captain America jokes are in DC. It 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:09.760 happens all the time. 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:12.480 Yeah. Also, it's so like I love that angle actually 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.520 because you know what else, it's it's that conversation we're 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.800 always talking about. Marvel and DC are in conversation with 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:19.680 each other. Right in Eternals they mentioned Batman and Superman 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.000 for the first time. Like this conversation is becoming more 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.520 of a two way street. And I actually really kind 1:01:24.560 --> 1:01:27.520 of love your angle on it too, because their imaginary 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:30.080 does somebody at Corporate Disney not like this, perhaps, But 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:33.160 the real truth is this once again actually does something 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:36.480 truly brilliant that a lot of these stories rely on, 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:41.600 just like Marvel introducing the multiverse, people need to have 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:45.960 an understanding and a cultural recognition of what that means. 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:49.760 And DC's TV shows had been doing multiverse for ten years, 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:54.080 so if people kind of had an idea, oh, something 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:57.120 that exists in the DC Animated universe can also exist 1:01:57.320 --> 1:02:00.720 on the CW, Like that's a multiverse. So in a way, 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:03.280 this actually just because it's not going to be anything 1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.080 like Secret Invasion. This is James Gun's own vision, but 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:09.520 the analog of the story is there. And I think 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:11.720 that in a way, like I love your perspective, because 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:14.360 what this really does is it just gets people familiar 1:02:14.400 --> 1:02:17.200 with this kind of storytelling. It gets people familiar with 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:21.320 these wider, broader ideas that can then be reimagined because like, yeah, 1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:23.840 it's invasion of the body snatches. It's not like this 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:25.960 was some incredibly. 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:29.160 Unique No one's saying like it's the thing, you know, it's. 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:33.040 The thing exactly. It's the paranoia, who can we trust? 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:35.800 It's they live? You know, there's some elusions of this, 1:02:36.200 --> 1:02:40.400 and I kind of love that's so close to Secret Invasion. 1:02:40.440 --> 1:02:43.640 We've gotten to see James Gunn's take on this kind 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.800 of classic sci fi. But in this superhero trappings and 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:48.800 with these kind of things that seem like nods like 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:51.080 the cow, it really makes it fun to watch. 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.960 This kind of stuff is super fun. I really had 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:56.440 a great time. Another question, so we mentioned in a 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:59.600 previous conversation brief conversation we had about the Peacemaker that 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:04.200 me I think the thing that would define like how 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:08.480 important Peacemaker was was going to be like how does 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:11.000 it tie in? Right, That's what it's all about now, 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:13.880 is how does this tie into the broader universe? And 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.040 with that cameo at the end of the finale, we 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:20.320 got our answer. Right, the Justice League came. They came 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:23.520 at the behest of Amanda Waller, whose daughter was you know, 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:26.080 working with Peacemakers, so we know that this is all 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:30.880 taking place in the universe. Notably, Cyborg and Batman Bruce 1:03:30.880 --> 1:03:33.040 Wayne were not there. What do you think they were 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.080 doing because they could have done it right like they 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:39.000 I mean they you know, they have Superman and Wonder 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:40.919 Woman there, but just like in shadow so you don't 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:44.760 really see their faces. We got the full moa moa 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:49.240 action with Aquaman. We got to see Barry Allen full face, 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:51.240 and we know that the actor was there, but they 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:54.960 clearly could have done like a Batman in Shadow, Cyborg 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:56.560 and Shadow if they wanted to. Where do you think 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:58.120 they are and what are they doing? 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:01.480 Yeah, I'm I'm most intrigued by this, especially because of 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:04.680 James's quote that you mentioned earlier, where he's like, there 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:06.800 are reasons for it, but I'm unsure if I can 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:09.320 actually say what they are that to me says it's 1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:13.640 some kind of corporate planning. But what I'm really interested 1:04:13.640 --> 1:04:16.240 in is like, so we see Momoa as Aquaman, who 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:18.640 I love. That's like, I love Aquaman, am Aquaman, stand, 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:24.800 Barry Alan Ezramila, Like, so this is that DCEU world, right, 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:28.800 So I think to me, if I was gonna creatively guess, 1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:31.880 I would say, like, it's a struggle to decide which 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:36.000 Batman would be there. And in Batman with Superman, he 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:39.640 has a very archetypical shadow. It's just a it's a 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:41.720 flying even though I think his proportions were a bit off. 1:04:41.760 --> 1:04:44.320 I think he's a bit chunkier but sure, but like 1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:51.520 Batman people Alex, but like Batman for example, I feel 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:53.080 like if he had been there and he'd had the 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:56.080 little short ears, you'd be like, oh, that's Ben Affleck Batman, 1:04:56.480 --> 1:04:58.720 but Robert Pins and Batman, do we know if he's 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.240 in that same world, we don't like, is that going 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:03.280 to still be that kind of Earth two thing that 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:06.040 Warner Brothers had kind of mentioned, Like, so, I think 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:08.880 the problem is the bat suit is so iconic that 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:12.960 by putting any Batman there, you like make a statement, right, 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:15.240 And I kind of I can't even a silhouette. I 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:18.920 kind of like the idea narratively that like Batman and 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:22.600 Cyborg would be on a mission together, you know, doing 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:26.040 if we're talking narratively, Like, I really love that idea 1:05:26.080 --> 1:05:28.240 that that could kind of be the explanation, like they 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:31.120 were doing something that was more important. You know, this 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:33.680 is not the first alien invasion for that Justice League, 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:38.960 right is Like, so you send your like it's kind 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:40.760 of cruel as well, But I love it because, like 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.400 I'm a big Aquaman fan, and but the Flash and 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:46.560 that Acuaman are not like the A list DC heroes, 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.160 So I kind of love that. I like this, Superman 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:51.600 and wonder Woman obviously that's part of the trinity, but 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:53.360 I kind of love that the ones we see are 1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:54.919 like the the B Team. 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:57.960 I like that too. When do you think we'll get 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:02.240 Green Lantern back in the mix? Like the movie was bad? Okay, yeah, 1:06:02.280 --> 1:06:05.680 we know, but that's like a huge part of the OG, 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:09.840 like the real like iconic Justice League lineup. 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:12.320 It's the biggest question. So they're doing like a Green 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:16.560 Lantern's show, right, and we know that the way that 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:18.880 the DC stuff has been is you can have the 1:06:18.960 --> 1:06:22.560 show that exists alongside a movie version. I think whenever 1:06:22.600 --> 1:06:24.400 we get it, I don't think it will be how Jordan. 1:06:25.040 --> 1:06:27.200 I think it's probably gonna be John Stewart. 1:06:27.000 --> 1:06:27.560 John Stewart. 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:30.320 Yeah, And I just feel like it has to be soon. 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.880 That never fails to trip me up, that that it's 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.240 that it's the name is John Stewart. In most ways, 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:40.960 like when John Stewart first arrived on the scene, I 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:44.800 was like, oh, it's Green Lantern and then when and 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:47.800 then after a while it slipped where oh the comedian 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:50.360 John Stewart. Yeah, Now both times they were just so 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:52.080 like mashed together. 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:53.880 Yeah, I think it's going to be something like that. 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:56.640 I think we potentially could see like a Jessica Cruz, 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:59.920 like a newer, more diverse kind of I would love 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:03.040 attitude wise, like I mean, I love Yeah, I want 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:05.320 to see John Stewart there, especially a version of him 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:07.960 where he's like, you know, the architect or something like 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:10.160 something a bit more about the blueprints. I think something 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:12.440 that's really exciting about Green Lanton. We rarely get to 1:07:12.520 --> 1:07:16.280 see them imagine anything other than like a giant fist 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.080 or a gun. So I would love to see the 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:21.280 reality of the Green Lantern power and the power of 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.080 will Walk to life more visually. But I would also 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:27.280 like to see Guy Gardner Green Lantern like. I just 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:30.480 think he's got such a good attitude and I believe 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:32.800 that he might be one of the leads of the 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:35.560 Green Lantern Show, which makes me think that John Stewart 1:07:35.600 --> 1:07:40.120 as the movie Green Lanton would make the most sense. Question. 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:43.800 Do you think that I find this extremely doubtful, but 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:46.120 I'm just gonna put it out there. Do you think 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:48.880 that there's gonna be some sort of the Batman Matt 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:53.120 reeves is the Batman reason for Batman not being there? 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:57.040 And now, originally I will say that we were absolutely 1:07:57.160 --> 1:08:01.120 convinced that there would be some sort of like hawkeyed 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:04.800 tie in to uh spider Man to Spider Man, and 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:07.240 it didn't happen, and that one seems like a really 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:10.040 easy one to do. So I just don't see this happening, 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:12.600 but you gotta put it out there reasonable. The Batman 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:14.040 is coming out soon, It's possible. 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:16.080 And the truth is, I think that the irony is 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:19.880 while there might not be a direct narrative easter egg though, 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:21.759 which we kind of thought there would be with Hawkaye 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:23.880 and Spider Man, what they did with hawkay and Spider 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.200 Man is they let us like put it together like, oh, well, 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:28.280 spider Man, you know, he was probably there on this 1:08:28.520 --> 1:08:31.920 day because the tree was still standing in Rockefeller Center. 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:34.599 So I think like when we see the Batman will 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:37.880 probably be like, oh well, narratively, he probably couldn't have 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:42.360 been there. He was busy. But also I think corporately 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:44.400 that's not a word. Yeah, you know, I think in 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:47.120 a corporate sense, I actually think that is the spot 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.600 on thing. I think DC is about to commit to 1:08:49.840 --> 1:08:52.960 a brand new iteration of Batman that we are unsure 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:56.200 of how connected it will be or how standalone it 1:08:56.240 --> 1:09:01.000 will be. And I think that in that way, to 1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:04.000 have this episode coming out like a couple of weeks 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:07.479 before Batman having Batman in any way is a statement, 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:08.080 you know. 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:11.400 Yeah, let's run down some some of the upcoming DCEU 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:14.200 projects because it's just fun. So the Batman of course, 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:17.960 March fourth, DC League of super Pets May twentieth. You 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:20.760 mentioned before that you know, Marvel is probably mad that 1:09:23.080 --> 1:09:26.760 Supervisions Petavengers. How did they do that? Marvel has been 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:30.800 beaten to the punch on Petavengers by DC's League of 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:34.559 Superpets Black Adam, which looks very interesting. July twenty nine. 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:38.519 Then the long awaited and I mean long awaited flash 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:42.559 movie November fourth, File by Acuaman and Lost Kingdom. I'm 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:46.599 super excited about continuing Jason Moulmolvers Batgirl twenty twenty two 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:49.920 Sandman TV series, which is not going to be connected 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:53.040 to anything, but I am very good. Yeah, very very 1:09:53.160 --> 1:09:55.880 excited that it's coming. But it is not going to 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:58.280 benected to any of this. 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:01.439 But I am very happy that we have reached the 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:02.599 place as. 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:05.200 A pop called Sandman era, the Samon era can happen. 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:08.519 And also that people understand that Vertigo is owned by DC. 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:11.640 This is technically a DC Comics project. Those are conversations 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:13.679 that ten years ago people will be like, oh, no, Vitigo, 1:10:13.800 --> 1:10:16.080 that's indie comics. That's create your own. I mean some 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:18.920 Vitgo comics are sam Man is not. But but yeah, 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:21.639 I love that this is included in there. But alas 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:24.080 that is sadly not gonna we are not going to 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:27.360 see death like popping up in Batgirl, though I would love, 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:29.160 like not gonna do that. 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:33.519 Salmon is really you know, whenever you would see a 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:36.559 graphic novel on the shelf of someone who doesn't read 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:38.920 comics at least when I was like in college and 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:41.920 when I was a younger person, it was one of 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:48.200 three comics. It was Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Yeah, and Sandman. 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:51.240 Those were the three. So this is a big moment. 1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:54.799 This is a really this is an iconic, iconic graphic novel, 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:59.040 iconic comics series about to hit the screen. Okay, Harley 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:02.000 Quinn season three, the extremely If you haven't watched Harley 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.560 Quinn season one and two, whoa, it's so funny. Fix it, 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.400 fix it because it's so so so funny. Watch it 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.960 season three come in twenty twenty two. Titans season four. 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:13.720 I haven't watched any Titans, but I need to watch it. 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:17.439 Titans teen. Titans is like, I actually think, theoretically my 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:21.320 first comic book because we got a say noted drugs 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:23.880 comic like in elementary school, and it was The Teen Titans. 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:26.800 Oh way, dude, that I will say Titans. Never saw 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:28.600 it gonna get I never would have guessed it was 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:31.759 gonna get four seasons. I remember being at San Diego 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:35.080 Comic com when the fuck Batman trailer dropped and ever 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:37.599 it was like, what the heck? But when I first 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:40.120 saw that pilot, I was like, this should be a 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:42.680 HBO Max show. It looks like HBO Max. There's a 1:11:42.720 --> 1:11:45.240 Game of Thrones reference and lo and behold. I mean 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:47.920 at the time I said HBO because I didn't know 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:50.680 HBO Max would exist. But I feel like it has 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:53.760 found its place on that I love any teen team, 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:56.280 and while we do not have an Exavier's School for 1:11:56.400 --> 1:11:59.560 Gifted Youngster show, I continue to watch Titans. It is 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:03.879 also good as a kind of potted history of famous 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:08.280 Batman back family kind of stories in a way that 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:10.840 like X Men ninety two, one of the reasons I 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:12.519 think people love it so much is you get to 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:16.000 see all these different stories. You know, Phoenix Saga, right, 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:17.599 the Day's a future past. 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:20.880 It's like an anthology series of like the greatest hits 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:22.360 of the Titans. 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:26.360 Each season has elements of that, specifically the last season, 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:29.040 which is very heavily based on death in the Family, 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:31.960 Jason Todd's stuff. So I think if you like Batman 1:12:32.040 --> 1:12:33.720 and you want to explore it and you don't mind 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:35.920 it being a little bit edgy, definitely worth a try. 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:38.800 Doom Patrol season four. There's another series that I did 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.439 not think would get for season six, Pennyworth season three 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:46.160 and twenty twenty two Young Justice YEP season four, the 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:50.000 Aeroverse TV series, which is I always like Green Arrow. 1:12:50.080 --> 1:12:51.639 Let me just put out there. I like Green Arrow. 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:54.800 He cares about social justice, he puts his money where 1:12:54.880 --> 1:12:56.720 his mouth is, and I've always been a fan of 1:12:56.800 --> 1:13:00.559 the comics Green Arrow, Shazam, Fury the Gods, and second 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.200 twenty twenty three Blue Beetle, which is going to be 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:06.080 super fun for the fans of Blue Beetle, And then 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:09.840 Peacemaker season two likely twenty twenty three, oh of course, 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.479 and then Wonder Woman three, which is somewhere in development 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.559 who knows where. Lots of stuff to think about. How 1:13:15.800 --> 1:13:19.240 in the future do you think Peacemaker could possibly tie 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:21.439 back to Justice? We now have seen Justice League in 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:24.439 a Peacemaker a show. I wonder if we get any 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:33.400 mentions in upcoming DCEU movies of like whether it's Doom, Patrol, Titans, whatever, 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:37.080 just like a mention like, Oh, there's this team working 1:13:37.160 --> 1:13:38.880 over here. Oh there's that guy with the bow and 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:40.080 arrow over at Star City. 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:43.439 I think that I've just had a brain wave inspired 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:46.560 by our convo. I think that this may be the 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:50.320 HBO Max superhero shows and movies as we are about 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:54.479 to see them. Batgirl, you mentioned Blue Beetle. HBO James 1:13:54.479 --> 1:13:56.640 Gunn has talked about the possibility of potential are the 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:59.439 Suicide Squad spinoff shows, which I would love and seems 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.560 very light in the context of how popular. 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:02.760 The show was. 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:06.840 So I think that maybe it's less about whether or 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:09.519 not we will see any movies that reference these shows, 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:12.559 and more about how these shows will build in elements 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:16.080 of what we knew as the DCEU, so like, will 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:18.759 this be the place where the Jared Leto Joker exists? 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:22.840 Will this be the place where these Justice League Zack 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:27.520 Snyder characters continue to be the main line of superheroes. 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:30.479 Because Zack Snyder's Justice League was a HBO Max original 1:14:31.160 --> 1:14:34.479 this show is a HBO Max original. Maybe they're building 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:39.160 some kind of HBO Max televisual DC universe that is 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:42.240 going to continue that line on while they continue this 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:47.200 kind of more autor driven visionary, different kind of film universes. 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:49.280 And obviously we know Aquaman is still going to have 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:51.400 a movie, so that's somewhere I could imagine him making 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:54.200 like a funny joke about Peacemaker or John Cena kind 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:56.680 of on the meta meta level, you know, so I 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:58.800 could see it. But I actually think we might be 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:02.080 seeing a world where the DCEU and the kind of 1:15:02.160 --> 1:15:05.519 snide of US era stuff continues more in these TV 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:09.439 shows than necessarily anywhere. Also, that would that would fit 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:12.479 in with there were kind of rumors around the idea 1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:16.479 that the Batgirl movie would connect to the Flash movie. Yeah, 1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:19.800 you know so, I think maybe that era and those 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:23.880 two heroes, specifically Aquaman and the Flash might be that 1:15:24.120 --> 1:15:26.360 world connected between the movies and TV that we were 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:26.760 waiting for. 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:31.360 Let's leave this conversation with this. One of the theories 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:35.960 about season two would be that bane iconic Batman villain 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:42.640 Bain would appear in season two of Theburger Prusberger Your 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:48.800 Daughters but James Gunn shot that down brutally, saying, quote, 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:51.360 don't you know by now to make really sure of 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:53.800 this stuff before posting? This is bullshit. No one knows 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:56.960 what's coming but me and even I don't fully know. 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.599 So there you have it. No Bane in season two 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:01.639 of the p R Bersberger or bar. 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:04.120 Up. 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:17.439 Next, let's go to the Hive Mind. Welcome to the 1:16:17.520 --> 1:16:19.439 Hive Mind, where we dive deep into a topic with 1:16:19.520 --> 1:16:21.240 the help of a guest. This week, X Ray Vision 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:24.760 is please to welcome Chuck Woody Woogy aka Clemson Mern 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:28.920 aka Ick No Block from Peacemaker. Chuck, what do you 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:33.160 thank you for joining us so much? Congratulations on Peacemaker 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:36.839 Season one? Super fun show. How did you get involved 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:41.719 in it? What brought you to playing Mern? Rest in peace? Mern? 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:46.600 I'll ask you later if if that's to stay, but 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:49.320 let's see what brought you to this project. 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:52.439 Well, it was your standard wake up in the morning, 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.000 getting on with your damn and an email comes from 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:58.360 your agent. And it was soon after COVID, you know, 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:00.559 the first round of COVID at ended, so like things 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:02.000 were beginning to open up, and it was one of 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:04.479 the first things that came my way and it was 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:08.840 like three pages of you know, very secretive, you know, 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:10.880 not giving anything away, but it was a James Gunn 1:17:10.920 --> 1:17:14.800 project and all that stuff, and I actually remember reading it. 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:16.960 I've told this story a hundred times. Is like, and 1:17:17.080 --> 1:17:19.120 I just said to my wife, why am I wasting 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:22.479 my time? They're gonna cast you know, Lance Reddick. You 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:24.160 know what I mean, He's perfect for this. I mean 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.559 I would cast him, you know. But then I read 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:30.280 the material and it was so funny. I mean it 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:32.559 was I think the scene I got was the first 1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:35.960 scene where he comes in and meets Peacemaker his trailer, 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:39.400 you know, in episode one, and I'm reading that and 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:41.080 I said, to my this is so hilarious. You know what, 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:42.840 let's just tape it. I'm not going to get it, 1:17:42.920 --> 1:17:44.920 but I owe it to this material to give it 1:17:44.960 --> 1:17:47.280 a go. And we did it. We did one take actually, 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:50.720 and sent it out. And as it happens, as I've 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:53.320 heard over is that James saw it and was like, 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:55.400 who the hell is this guy? I want him? And 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:57.400 that's sort of like how it happened. You know. 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:03.360 As a fan of Angle File television and movies, the 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:07.000 thing I love about you know, watching stuff on BBC 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:13.120 is just how the range that actors who come up 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:16.679 through the UK kind of like acting tree, the range 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:19.519 that you all display. You've done everything from Shakespeare to 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:24.960 John Wick now Peacemaker. How does how does that affect 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:27.559 the way you approach a role, the way you approach 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:31.800 Mern having this intense training. I mean you've played You've 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:33.080 played Othello on stage. 1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:38.479 I've read yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly it's all I know. 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:40.720 You know, I don't know how to like compare it 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:43.639 to someone who doesn't have, you know, the same background 1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:45.719 as I do. My whole, my whole world of acting 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.560 has been about building characters from the ground up, you know, 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.280 from what's on the page in front of you. You 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.559 talks about my classical background. Yeah, when you're doing Shakespeare 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:56.200 or Chekhov or Ibsen and stuff, it's it's on the page. 1:18:56.360 --> 1:19:00.320 You know, your You're led the writers great writers, And 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:03.559 I think James is a phenomenal writer, because the really 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:05.880 good writers are very good at directing the actors with 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:09.439 what they say, how they say stuff. So I look 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:11.519 for clues on the page and I just don't know 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:14.400 how else to approach the work. Then the way I 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:17.600 would approach. I approached Hamlet, I approached Othello, and I 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:20.360 approached man, there's this stuff in front of me. You 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:22.679 learn the lines, you get the clues from the writer 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.960 what you feel, your instincts tell you he wants, and 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:29.280 then you the whole process is it getting deeper and 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:33.200 settling into you settling and settling, and your imagination goes well, 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:35.679 you dream on it, you wake up, you run the lines. 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:38.519 I always believe I the first thing I do is 1:19:38.640 --> 1:19:41.200 learn the lines, because those are where all my clues 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:43.800 are in the language. So, going back to what you 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.519 say about the BBC, yeah, it's we're very lucky in 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:49.120 certainly the British system and a lot of European systems, 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:52.679 is that when you leave drama school, that's just the beginning. 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:56.200 You know, you don't assume you're an actor after drama school. 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:58.960 But we have the luck sury of things like where 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:02.960 I came up, the roy Shakespeare Company, the National Theater, Bristol, Ulvic, 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.320 all these places where you can be an apprentice, so 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:09.000 you can spend literally ten years learning, growing, growing in 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.960 that confidence of doing, doing, doing, doing tiny roles and 1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:14.320 the roles grow and stuff. So we have a whole 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:18.880 culture of just being given time and space to grow, 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.320 you know. And I feel very lucky about that because 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:24.840 it builds a confidence in you. Work begets work, and 1:20:25.400 --> 1:20:27.880 experience grows. Doing all these sort of shows, there were 1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:30.599 seasons I would have about twenty roles in my head 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:33.439 in a season, you know, and each one has to 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:37.200 be distinct, you know. So we're steeped in the culture 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:41.640 of characterization and building characters and letting it go and 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:43.680 going on to the next thing and stuff. You know. 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:47.400 Yeah, speaking of that, when did you find out that 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.559 Mern was a butterfly? And did that in any way 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:53.240 This is going to sound like a nerdy question, but 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:55.000 these are the things I think about. Did that in 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:58.280 any way affect your performance? Were you thinking, Okay, I'm 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:05.679 block inside, I don't even meet and that's the character 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:08.439 that I'm playing, Not like, did it affect the way 1:21:08.560 --> 1:21:09.400 you approached the role? 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:12.439 On No, No, I knew about Mern right from the start. 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.960 It was part of what really attracted me to the 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:17.639 role and made it very juicy. Peter Saffren and James 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:20.040 called me and told me about this arc that he has. 1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:24.000 But in all fairness, Jason, I don't believe in playing 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:26.639 an arc in life. We don't know what's coming next. 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:29.160 We don't know what's next. We just play moment and 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:31.479 moment in life. And as an actor, I don't believe 1:21:31.720 --> 1:21:36.200 believe in drip feeding the audience, condescending actually the audience 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:39.080 by doing that. I genuinely believe in this is what 1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:41.720 the scene is saying. James has written it in a 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:45.280 certain way where we have a reveal, So why spoil 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:48.960 the surprise as it were? So I'm always interested in 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:51.280 playing moment and moments and letting the arc take care 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:53.799 of itself. I really feel if there were any clues 1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:56.519 about who Myrn was, it was in the writing, and 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:58.400 I certainly wasn't going to let it be in my 1:21:58.520 --> 1:22:02.960 performance because if you're a good actor, as in if 1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:05.439 Mern as a butterfly is a good actor as Mern, 1:22:06.080 --> 1:22:08.800 he would hide it. He wouldn't be saying, hey, wink wink, 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:11.360 am I a butterfly or not? You know, that just 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:13.960 isn't real For me. I wanted the audience to have 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.519 a genuine surprise, and I wanted to let myself have 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:18.519 that surprise when it happened. 1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:22.160 You know, also, it was a wonderful surprise. In the 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:25.559 Blooper reels, which are wonderful, there's a moment in which 1:22:25.600 --> 1:22:28.400 johnsena gets you to get you to break and says 1:22:28.439 --> 1:22:31.760 something like Operation Truck was a success. As an actor 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:35.200 who's come up through the stage and you've spoken wonderfully, 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:38.200 how you take your cues from the written page? How 1:22:38.240 --> 1:22:41.280 do you approach improvisation these moments of improvisation. When stuff 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:43.040 like that happens on the set. 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:44.800 Oh, it terrifies the hell out of me. There's nothing 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:46.160 that scared to be more than a direct to say 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:48.519 and okay, improvise something. James has a habit. Right now, 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:51.639 we're shooting Guardians and we'll do a few takes of something. 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:53.479 I said, okay, we got a chuck. Now do whatever 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:57.559 you want. And I'm like, ha, you know, do something different, 1:22:57.600 --> 1:23:00.880 do whatever you want. I'm like, what, yeah, no, I 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:03.519 Some actors love it. Some actors are natural edit. I 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:07.439 don't love improvising. I really like I really like to 1:23:08.360 --> 1:23:10.640 know what I'm doing and be given it. But in 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:14.160 that group, in that setting, I did improvise. We all did, 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:17.040 and James encourages it, and it's such a safe atmosphere 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:19.439 to do it in and such a fun atmosphere that 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:22.280 you're never really gonna fall flat on your face. It's 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:24.519 always just gonna Some things are gonna work better than others, 1:23:24.560 --> 1:23:26.519 but you're never gonna be You're not gonna fall flat 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:28.920 on your face because it's encouraged and James likes to 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:31.840 let the camera run on and on. But that said, 1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:34.640 I was the straight man. That mern is is very 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:37.639 reflective of who I was amongst that cast, because they're naturals. 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:41.160 I mean, John can improvise from now till eternity. Steve 1:23:41.200 --> 1:23:44.040 ag stand up, I mean, just Hilarius, Danielle, you know. 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:46.640 I mean it's so natural to them. I had to 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:49.479 play catch up, and often I'd be the kid at 1:23:49.520 --> 1:23:51.640 the back of the class that reluctantly put up my 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:54.640 hand to improvise. I let the experts get on with it. 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:55.240 You know. 1:23:56.680 --> 1:24:00.720 We must talk about the opening sequence. How long did 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:04.320 it take to to get your part down and at 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:06.320 what point did you learn that you would be learning 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:09.480 some choreography for the opening credit secrets. 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:13.200 Well after we started filming, so there was no backing out. 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:18.559 It was like a month in or something. Someone just mentioned. Yeah, 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:20.960 and so on this day we're shooting the dance sequence. 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:24.720 I was like, what what dance sequence? And so that's 1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:27.680 how we found out. And then we only had the 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:30.559 wonderful Carissa. I think I had three rehearsals with her, 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:32.920 and so a lot of the work you had to 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.240 do at home on your own and just drill it 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:37.320 and drill it and drill it. So I think from 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:40.000 I want to say, we had maybe about five or 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:42.519 six weeks between the first rehearsal and when we actually 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:44.519 did it. And we worked with her two or three times, 1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:46.080 and then we were there it was time to shoot it. 1:24:46.200 --> 1:24:48.840 So I drove my wife crazy practicing at home. I 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:50.720 mean she was just like, what are you doing. I 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:53.200 was like, I have to get this down. I have 1:24:53.360 --> 1:24:54.640 to get this down because I don't want to look 1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:55.360 like a right idiot. 1:24:55.720 --> 1:25:00.400 So, yeah, I've never fast forward it. It brings enjoy 1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:03.120 every single time I watched the show, even when I 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:06.360 watch episodes again, you know, for research purposes, I always 1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:06.640 watch it. 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:07.559 Yeah, And the thing that. 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:13.760 Absolutely kills me is the complete deadness of everybody's face. 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:15.240 Was that. 1:25:15.920 --> 1:25:18.519 I mean, I understand that you are concentrating on the steps, 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:22.479 but was that difficult to just not laugh, not smirk, 1:25:22.600 --> 1:25:26.200 not anything while you're doing There's. 1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:28.240 A funny story. I don't know if Danielle has been 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:30.160 on your show told you about it, But on the 1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:34.080 day we were filming, Danielle hadn't got the memo about 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:36.240 the straight face and when she came to do her thing, 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:39.000 and she's such a great mover, she was in it. Man, 1:25:39.120 --> 1:25:41.720 she was beyond saying the shit out of it. And 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:47.360 in terms of like Danielle, no, none of that. No, 1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:49.679 it was it was hard. Of course, you're looking around, 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:52.680 looking at bat and people dancing in front of you 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:55.800 and all this. It's hard not to want to just grin. Also, 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:58.360 the music is just so damn good because of playing 1:25:58.400 --> 1:26:00.360 it full blast the light. It was like being on 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:03.439 an MTV music you know soundstage, you know, in the 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.719 old days of those music videos, and it was exciting. 1:26:06.760 --> 1:26:09.760 So yes, it was a challenge not to get carried away. 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:12.160 But you know, it's like acting a role. The role 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:14.880 we were given that day. The direction from the director 1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:17.120 was like straight face, let's get it done. And then 1:26:17.120 --> 1:26:18.599 there were lots of us you'd see in the blue 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:20.080 per reel and stuff. I don't know if there's one 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:22.360 just for the dance there's lots of breaking up right after, 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:22.840 you know. 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:30.240 Any particular favorite moments from the season, whether they include 1:26:30.280 --> 1:26:30.760 Murn or not. 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:34.080 I actually it's funny. I mean if okay, if we 1:26:34.240 --> 1:26:36.599 break that down. My favorite episode is episode eight, although 1:26:36.600 --> 1:26:38.160 I'm not in it. I just think it was such 1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:42.240 an epic arrival of that team, you know, and it 1:26:42.360 --> 1:26:44.439 was just beautiful to say, especially with the cameos at 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:46.920 the end. Yeah, so that was my favorite episode. Favorite. 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:51.640 My favorite moment is slightly selfish because it was on 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:53.640 the day we were filming the dance sequence and you're 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:57.120 already having the time of your life filming this dance sequence, 1:26:57.200 --> 1:26:59.960 you know. But in the middle of shooting that dance sequence, 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:01.439 James came up to me and said, can I have 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:04.080 a word with you? And I was like, you know, 1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:05.880 and I joked, is this when you tell me you 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:08.559 actually were looking to hire a chutel agr fun got 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:13.080 our names mixed up? And he says, no, no, no, 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:15.880 it's not, it's not. Actually is quite the opposite. I 1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:21.120 want you to play X in Guardians of the Galaxy three. 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:23.800 So it was on that day we were filming it 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:26.360 he told me that, and for me, as a fan, 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:28.559 of comics, as a fan of James Gunn as an 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:31.640 actor who's like sort of making my way more and 1:27:31.720 --> 1:27:33.240 more into film and TV. For that day to be 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:36.720 already doing Filmmaker then asked to go on to this 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:42.240 incredible next project. Was it's selfishly my favorite moment of 1:27:42.320 --> 1:27:45.200 the whole thing in what was a lot of amazing 1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:47.800 moments in Vancouver, you know, I. 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:50.880 Mean, that's truly wonderful. I mean, you know, acting any 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:53.840 kind of creative life, you can't help it, appreciate it 1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:56.880 when you start to get work. What drew you to 1:27:57.160 --> 1:27:59.200 acting as a young person? 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:02.280 What was it? Well, as a very young person in Nigeria, 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:06.320 I grew up in Legos, Nigeria. I didn't have a choice. 1:28:06.360 --> 1:28:07.800 We did school plays and they put you in a 1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:09.680 player and you did it. And I happened to be 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:11.360 good at it, and I did a lot of plays. 1:28:11.560 --> 1:28:13.240 But you know, it's sort of what you did at 1:28:13.320 --> 1:28:17.640 school and then. But I do remember in Nigeria as 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:20.400 a kid, I was fascinated by film and TV. Fascinating. 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:23.920 I just and I would memorize movies, whole films where 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:26.360 I could quote the people talking. I would just that 1:28:26.560 --> 1:28:31.400 was my my imagination games weren't imaginary friends popping out 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:35.240 of my imagination. Games were movies and TV shows that 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:39.080 scene re enacting them, literally playing different roles from them 1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:42.320 on a given day. So I was always drawn to it. So, 1:28:43.040 --> 1:28:45.080 but I never consciously I didn't know what I wanted 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:47.800 to be. It wasn't until years later when I was 1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:51.840 trying to convince my dad. My dad wanted me to 1:28:51.920 --> 1:28:54.960 go to Oxbridge, Oxford or Cambridge, and I knew that 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:57.040 if I did that, I would have to make a 1:28:57.080 --> 1:29:00.160 decision on my career straight away, very early on, and 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:01.760 I wasn't ready to. I didn't know what I wanted 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:04.040 to do. So I said, if I go to America, 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:06.000 at least I have a couple of years in the 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:08.960 liberal arts system to mess around with different things and 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.439 decide what I want to be. Somewhere in the back 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:14.400 of my mind was probably the knowledge that if I'm 1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:18.200 ever going to act, I have to start there. Do 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:20.880 you know what I mean? Maybe? But I hadn't codified it. 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:23.360 And then so my dad made a bet with me. 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:25.080 He said, Okay, fine, if you want to go to America, 1:29:25.120 --> 1:29:26.439 the only way you'll go to America is if you 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:28.200 get into an Ivy League. Then I'll let you go. 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:30.639 It was the most expensive bet of his life because 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:33.240 I got into Yale. You know, my dad's first and 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:36.439 so I got into Yale. I did economics there, but 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:39.439 while I was there, I started doing drama. And the 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:41.920 head of the undergraduate program, James de Paul, who to 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:45.960 this day i'm very grateful for, saw me doing a production. 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:48.599 And this is where it's weird. I'm sorry, I'm taking 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:50.519 a long time to explain, because this is where life, 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:53.679 this is where life meets art. When I was ten, 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:57.080 we were living in Ethiopia. My parents worked for the 1:29:57.200 --> 1:30:00.400 United Nations, and we went Adis Ababa and we didn't much. 1:30:00.840 --> 1:30:03.360 The TV was awful, you know, so we had this 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:07.080 black market amongst the expats and diplomats and stuff of 1:30:07.439 --> 1:30:11.040 VHS videos. We would exchange them, pass them around, and 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:15.000 one day a copy of Beckett is a movie from 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:19.559 nineteen sixty four, I believe, with Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole, 1:30:19.880 --> 1:30:23.040 The Murder in the Cathedral written by Jean an Ui 1:30:23.360 --> 1:30:25.600 and a. As a ten year old, I'm watching this 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:28.320 thing set in like the fourteenth century, and I can't 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:31.719 get over how good these guys are like, I'm watching 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:33.640 Richard and just going that's what I want to be. 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:35.800 But then I forgot about it. That happened when I 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:39.640 was ten. Fast forward to Yale and I'm twenty and 1:30:39.760 --> 1:30:42.200 I finally decided I want to start acting and doing 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:45.200 it more. And one of the first posters I see 1:30:45.280 --> 1:30:47.920 my girlfriend. I am walking with my girlfriend at the time, 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:49.640 and she she goes, oh, look at that post of 1:30:49.680 --> 1:30:51.720 my friends directing that, and I look at it and 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:55.280 it's Beckett. That is the play of that movie. And 1:30:55.400 --> 1:30:57.639 of course I know it. I know both roles or whatever. 1:30:57.960 --> 1:30:59.960 I went into it and I got the role of Beckett. 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:03.160 The head of undergraduate drama saw the play because he 1:31:03.240 --> 1:31:06.360 had to go grade it, saw me play Beckett, and 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:08.920 offered me a full scholarship to drama school. And that's 1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:12.439 how my acting started because of this movie i'd seen 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:14.800 when I was ten in Ethiopia that I was so drawn, 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.559 so I watched it over and over again. So that's 1:31:17.600 --> 1:31:20.880 how the acting thing happened. Because when I actually started 1:31:21.040 --> 1:31:23.400 acting as an adult, because there was a whole period 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:25.400 when I was in high school, I didn't act. I 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:27.439 did sports. Back then, you either did sports or you 1:31:27.479 --> 1:31:30.000 did arts. You know, I did sport, but when I 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:32.320 came back to it, I knew for a fact, this 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:34.439 is exactly what I have to do, you know. And 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:36.800 that's sort of how that drama school and on was 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:38.040 what propelled me onwards. 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:38.360 You know. 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:40.519 I still got my degree in economics, so my dad 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:41.280 was very proud of me. 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:46.280 At what point did he realize that this was your 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:51.080 acting was more than a calling, It was legitimately a pathway, 1:31:51.520 --> 1:31:54.519 something that you could do legitimately for work. When of 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:56.599 your parents realized that it was that it could happen. 1:31:56.800 --> 1:32:01.400 My parents were amazing. I got offered this scholarship to 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:04.760 drama school second semester junior year. I didn't tell them 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:07.280 till first semester senior year because I was like, how 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:08.800 do I tell my parents I want to go to 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:11.760 drama school? But I finally wrote them a letter, and 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:13.720 to this day I have the letter they wrote back. 1:32:13.920 --> 1:32:17.599 That was so beautiful. It was them saying, Okay, we're 1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:20.559 surprised at this. We never saw it coming. But our 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:23.080 role as your parents was to give you the best 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:28.120 possible opportunities and education. You've done that, You're at Yale, 1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:30.680 you're doing this. Now go live your life as you 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:32.800 want to live it after that and if this is 1:32:32.840 --> 1:32:34.880 what you choose, we support you and thank God for 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:37.479 that because so it wasn't that they thought, oh, he 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:40.000 can make a living. They supported me from the start 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:42.360 that this is the first time since they've known me 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:44.760 as a kid. One minute, I wanted to be a firefighter, 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:47.080 the next a vet, the next, the wrestler, the next 1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:50.280 to whatever like that. This is the first time that 1:32:50.439 --> 1:32:52.920 I had something that I was like, it's not just 1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:54.640 because I can do it, but this is what I 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:56.519 want to do. And they supported me from the start, 1:32:56.800 --> 1:33:00.040 the believing that I can support myself with it. I 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:02.080 just believed it would come, you know what I mean. 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:06.000 There was no point that they thought, oh he's safe now. 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:08.000 They knew it was a struggle. They knew it was hard. 1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:10.000 They helped when they can thank God for their support. 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:12.320 I owe so much to them. I got my first 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:15.080 apartment in London with their help, do you know what 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:17.200 I mean? After I finally got my first big job 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.080 and they helped pay for part of the deposit. They 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:21.640 were just there for me the whole time. But I 1:33:21.760 --> 1:33:24.840 think it's only my mom passed away, you know, in 1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:27.479 two thousand and nine sadly, and I would say, it's 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:30.040 it's I wish she could see this stage of it. 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:32.479 You know, she saw the stage of the RC and 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:34.680 the National She knew I could do it, and she 1:33:34.760 --> 1:33:37.479 could see things growing. I just really wish she could 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:40.240 see this stage where she could literally go to the 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:43.479 movies and watch me. Do you know what I mean? 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:45.600 But I'm sure she's watching from up top somewhere. My 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:49.080 dad's still around. My Dad's still around, loving everything. He 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:52.800 became overnight a movie buff from never remembering my dad 1:33:52.960 --> 1:33:56.559 ever watching a movie to the end without falling asleep. Overnight, 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:58.599 when I said I wanted to be an actor, suddenly 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:02.160 my dad's calling me, asking me a James Cagney, Humphrey Bogat. 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:04.880 Have I seen this film? Kauza Black is his favorite movie. 1:34:05.200 --> 1:34:08.400 He just became a film buff and watches everything. It's crazy, 1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:08.760 you know. 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:14.360 I must ask you that season two of The Peacemaker 1:34:14.400 --> 1:34:19.120 has been confirmed. We hope to see some flashbacks or 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:23.439 some kind of comic bookie rejuvenation. But whatever the case, 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:26.240 where are you in that process and is there anything 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:27.439 at all that you can tell us? And if not, 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:28.800 that is also fine. 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:33.040 I have no idea. It's not that I'm being of course, 1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:36.559 I genuinely don't know what's going on in the mind 1:34:36.600 --> 1:34:41.439 of James Gunn. It could go that serious, could go anywhere, 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:43.599 And you're right when the world of superheroes and stuff, 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:46.200 anything can happen. But I genuinely I'm not being a 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:50.600 clever anything. I genuinely have no idea right now. I 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:52.880 mean the world of James Gunn on the other side 1:34:52.920 --> 1:34:53.559 of the pond. 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:55.000 Not that one. 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:58.519 Yeah, well we look forward to that. We look forward 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:02.080 to Guardians three. Chuck, thank you so much for joining us. 1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:03.680 A really delightful conversation. 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:05.040 Such a pleasure. Thanks for having me. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:07.559 Thanks to Chuck Weedy for joining us. Up next nerd Out. 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:17.680 In this week's nerd out our recurring segment where you 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:20.680 tell us what you love and why, James pitches us 1:35:20.800 --> 1:35:24.160 on the Amazon Prime series The Legend of Vox Macina, 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:27.639 adapted from the first campaign of the popular twitch stream 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:28.439 Critical role. 1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:31.320 Hi guys, my name is James Carson, and I am 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:33.200 here to tell you why you need to be watching 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:36.559 The Legend of Vox Machina. Vox Machina is an animated 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:39.320 series for adults for those listeners with children emphasis on 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:42.439 for adults. Based on the Dungeons and Dragons web series, 1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:45.479 Critical Role, led by Dungeon Master Matthew Mercer and a 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:48.640 cast of incredible voice actors. Critical Role is credited with 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:50.200 being one of the things that made D and D 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:52.760 quote unquote cool again and is certainly one of the 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:54.800 reasons why I've fallen down the rabbit hole and now 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:57.479 have a dedicated group I play with every Tuesday. I 1:35:57.560 --> 1:35:59.120 need to take a moment to shout out my DM 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:03.799 Gary and our party members Alyssa, Maddie, Kyle, Christian, Julie, Ulysses, 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:06.439 Libby and Charlotte for making a very difficult time in 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:08.400 all of our lives brighter and helping each other get 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.280 into this wonderful hobby. After the completion of Critical roles 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:14.680 first campaign, which stars the titular Voxmachin Adventuring Party and 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.559 their adorable bear trinket, the company set up a Kickstarter 1:36:17.680 --> 1:36:20.080 for a single animated special that ballooned into one of 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:22.840 the largest Crown funding projects of all time. In a 1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:27.040 preliminary two season partnership with Amazon Prime Video, Mercer, along 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:30.080 with players and animation veterans Sam Regal and Travis Willingham 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:32.479 were given the opportunity to bring their world to life 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:34.920 on a scale they could not have imagined. The result 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:37.879 was this the Legend of Vox Machina, a powerful, creative 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:41.400 and surprisingly raunchy retelling of a beloved story that hits 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:43.680 every single mark fans of the series could have hoped for. 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:46.720 The first episode opens with the grizzly deaths of a 1:36:46.800 --> 1:36:49.400 different adventuring party hired to defeat a great evil in 1:36:49.479 --> 1:36:52.240 the realm of Taldori. Meanwhile, the down on their luck 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:55.200 Box Machina find themselves in a brutally animated tavern brawl, 1:36:55.439 --> 1:36:57.800 except for their bard, Scalen Shorthault, who is in bed 1:36:57.880 --> 1:37:00.280 with the innkeeper's daughter that results in them being thrown 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:01.960 out on the streets and forced to take the dead 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:05.200 party's contract as Sovereign Uriel's last ditch effort to save 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:08.040 his kingdom. While the adult bits are turned up to eleven, 1:37:08.120 --> 1:37:10.920 the series still manages to create a touching and compelling story, 1:37:11.240 --> 1:37:13.400 with each member of the party beginning their own personal 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:15.800 journey in this first season, and the creators do an 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:17.840 incredible job of showing what it really means to be 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:20.160 in a D and D party. Not only are your 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:22.840 friend's characters your lifelines within the game, but it's such 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:25.400 a comforting thought, especially in times like this, to know 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:27.080 that there are people who you can rely on to 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:29.160 have your back week after week while you create your 1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:32.400 story together. The show also does a fascinating job of 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:35.080 weaving standard D and D game situations into the story 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:37.680 without being too obvious about it, whether it be the 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:41.320 ranger of Exalia's primeval awareness, the druid Kilith using her 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:44.640 wild shape to transform into animals, Grog, the barbarian and 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:47.439 during a frenzied rage, or the Cleric Pike running out 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:49.439 of spell slots and being unable to heal an ally 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:52.120 at a crucial moment. For all its adult humor, the 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:54.040 show has so much heart and is not afraid to 1:37:54.080 --> 1:37:57.120 put its characters of vulnerable positions to serve its beautiful narrative. 1:37:57.200 --> 1:37:59.280 You can find hundreds of hours of critical roles. First 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:01.839 Too Completed a care Pans on their YouTube channel. Following 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:04.799 the Party is Voxmachina and the Mighty Nine, while episodes 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:07.320 of their third campaign currently air every Thursday night on 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:10.240 their Twitch channel. The Legend of Vox Machina is currently 1:38:10.280 --> 1:38:13.040 in its first season with three episodes releasing every Friday 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:16.000 on Prime Video, and season two is already in the pipeline. 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:18.519 Thanks James for submitting. If you want to be featured, 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:21.040 send your nerd out pitch to x Ray at crooked 1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:24.360 dot com. Instructions in the show notes, FYI will be 1:38:24.479 --> 1:38:27.679 diving into Voxmacin and other video game adaptations, including arcanean 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:30.599 Uncharted in an upcoming episode, so go check those out 1:38:30.600 --> 1:38:42.160 when they come out up next the Endgame. We're in 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:45.880 the Endgame now, and for today's game, we're gonna be 1:38:45.920 --> 1:38:51.240 picking who our favorite villain turned hero is. Favorite villain 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:55.439 turned hero in any kind of story, sci fi, fantasy, 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:59.280 comic book story, whatever the case may be. I will 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:03.800 go first. There's so many. I mean, Jamie Lanister from 1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:05.880 a Song of Ice and Fire slash Game of Thrones, 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:09.680 although like obviously in the books, has not fully had 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:12.120 the chance to turn into a hero as of yet, 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:15.720 but in the in the show had what I think 1:39:15.800 --> 1:39:19.240 is one of the most miraculous turnarounds from guy who 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:21.880 pushes a child out of a window to guy who 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:25.560 you're like, I want him to hook up with briannatarth 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:29.639 which is like an amazing art, ultimate, many many other examples. 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:31.800 But I'm gonna pick and then of course, like you 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:33.920 could say Darth Vader, even though like he kind of 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:36.759 goes opposite, but I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Magneto. 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:37.360 I knew it. 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:40.840 I think Magneto. Yeah, I had to do it because Magneto, 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:43.680 for the first twenty years of his existence, did some 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:48.439 of the worst shit did anybody could ever do, like 1:39:48.600 --> 1:39:52.719 trying to destroy the world multiple times, like hijacking nuclear 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:55.880 missiles and trying to blow them up and turn either 1:39:55.920 --> 1:39:59.439 people into mutants or exterminate the human race and let 1:39:59.640 --> 1:40:03.599 and like the mutants rise above them. He did a lot, 1:40:03.720 --> 1:40:05.519 a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot 1:40:05.560 --> 1:40:10.000 of bad shit. But round about the eighties suddenly he 1:40:10.320 --> 1:40:14.400 started coming around, decided that you know what, I've done 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:15.640 a lot of bad stuff and I want to take 1:40:15.680 --> 1:40:18.519 responsibility for it. He went on trial at the at 1:40:18.560 --> 1:40:23.040 the fucking un and ever since then, which I want 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:25.360 to say, he's like X men about two hundred the 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:28.200 trial of Magneto, he has been like basically a good guy. 1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:30.599 He's been a good guy for like thirty years now, right. 1:40:30.800 --> 1:40:35.360 A Holocaust survivor notably, I think that one detail forever 1:40:35.560 --> 1:40:38.000 shifted the way we think about Magneto, and so I 1:40:38.120 --> 1:40:40.719 am going to say Magneto. 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:44.599 Yeah, I think that's like really the obvious classic choice. 1:40:44.600 --> 1:40:46.960 It's like because it's really interesting as well, because even 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:51.200 though some places have repositioned him, like the famous eight 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:54.599 million copy selling X Men number one in the nineties, 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:57.080 you know, Jim Lee, Chris Clammont, like they want to 1:40:57.120 --> 1:40:59.679 reposition him as the villain, but it doesn't stick because 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:04.120 we know the trauma, we know the journey of what 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:09.320 has come. Okay, I'm gonna go for I was gonna 1:41:09.320 --> 1:41:12.200 also pick Magneo because it's like such a classic choice, 1:41:12.240 --> 1:41:14.040 but I'm gonna go for another X Men character, which 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:20.240 is like I'm gonna go for Rogue because forget like 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:25.880 early on, like she was like, you know, Mystique in 1:41:25.960 --> 1:41:29.360 the raised my Mystique in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:33.679 She is you know, contesting and fighting with Carol Danvers, 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:36.120 which ends up changing her powers and she just has 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:39.679 this wonderful arc and I love that in her case, 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:44.639 it's this choice of nature versus nurture, and actually Destiny 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:46.600 and Mystique who raised her were not bad people. They 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:49.519 were just in a tough situation, and it's kind of 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:52.600 that it's a continuation of the Magneto thing, which is 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:54.479 like who is really the villain and who is really 1:41:54.560 --> 1:41:58.000 the hero in these kind of rebellion situations. And I 1:41:58.200 --> 1:42:00.320 like that as a young person she gets to choose 1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:05.360 her own journey and become a hero. You know, she 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:07.679 has one of the best character designs of all time. 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:12.519 I could not agree more. One of the characters when 1:42:12.600 --> 1:42:15.320 I was reading comics as a kid and really in 1:42:15.400 --> 1:42:17.439 love with the X Men that I most connected with 1:42:17.680 --> 1:42:22.240 was Rogue because this idea she was like amongst the loaners, 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.240 who the you know, the Mutants are outcasts, their loaners, 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:29.639 amongst the superhero community and the and the regular human 1:42:29.760 --> 1:42:33.720 community at large. But even amongst these outcasts, she was 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:36.800 like the ultimate outcast. She was dart of mystique former 1:42:36.880 --> 1:42:40.760 Brotherhood of e Mutants took Carol Danvers powers, so people 1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:44.880 didn't really trust her and she couldn't even like hold 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:48.120 hands with it. She couldn't touch anyone. She was physically 1:42:48.280 --> 1:42:51.519 isolated from people, which you know, I've said this before 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:53.439 and it's an embarrassing thing about me, but I was 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:57.679 extremely invested in the in the romance between Gambit and Rogue, 1:42:57.720 --> 1:42:59.960 and a lot of that was because of this dynam 1:43:00.360 --> 1:43:03.320 like near and love. She couldn't touch him, they could, 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:06.800 they could even kiss. So that's a great pic. Love 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:07.800 Rogue Love. 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:10.240 Look with us too, it always comes back to the 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:12.639 X Men. We can be talking about anything, but it's 1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:13.960 just always the X Man. 1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:17.000 Well, that's it for the endgame. Let us know your 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:19.599 thoughts and use hashtag XRVN game to give us your pick. 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:24.400 A big thank you to Chuck Woody, Woujie, and of 1:43:24.439 --> 1:43:26.519 course Rosie Night for joining us on X ray Vision. 1:43:26.600 --> 1:43:29.000 Rosie Plugs, Plugs, Plugs. Where can people find you? 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:33.639 You can find me on Instagram, Rosie Marx. You can 1:43:33.840 --> 1:43:37.840 find me on Letterbox, the same name, where I'm putting 1:43:37.880 --> 1:43:39.920 out all my bad films that I watch and some 1:43:40.120 --> 1:43:45.280 good films, but lots of bad films. Yeah, that's I'm 1:43:45.320 --> 1:43:48.400 going to be writing a ton about the Batman. I 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:51.800 think it's just been announced that Nedest He's going to 1:43:51.880 --> 1:43:54.559 have like a big Batman themed week where we're going 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:56.599 to be writing about all kinds of stuff. And I've 1:43:56.640 --> 1:44:01.680 got fun of there also, just like I love how 1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:05.200 much everyone here loves comics. So I read this brilliant 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:07.679 comic from this wonderful press that I love called Black 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:11.400 Josey Press, which is it's like a collection of erotic 1:44:12.479 --> 1:44:16.559 indie comics. Buy this wonderful cartoonist called Trinidad Escobar. It's 1:44:16.600 --> 1:44:18.600 called Arrive in My Hands. So that's kind of like 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:20.600 my personal plug because that comic has just brought me 1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:25.160 so much joy. 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