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Speaker 1: is jasonce Upchiana. Welcome to x ray Vision The Crooked Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where for twenty five episodes we have doven deep into

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Speaker 1: is a great Rosie night, Rosie. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: We made a quarter century of x ray Vision. Wow,

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Speaker 1: to the news. First. Up, some casting news for Craven,

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Speaker 1: the Sony Pictures Spider Man Universe property. We already know

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Speaker 1: it could be a Chameleon who is of course Craven's brother.

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Speaker 2: Very out of there. I think the the rumors being

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Speaker 1: I hope we get the Nick Spencer version of Craven,

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Speaker 2: So I think this is my guess. Because Apia has

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429
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Speaker 2: because a lot of times when I write about this

430
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: stuff or we're researching stuff, you go back to Dark

431
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: Rain a lot that eral it's just like, oh, where

432
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: did this character come from? Oh it was Dark Rain?

433
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: Where did this think? Oh? Oh it's Dark Rain? And

434
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: we know that the next big official which is so

435
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: great actually because I have a lot of thoughts about

436
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: how this links into Peacemaker, but like the next big thing,

437
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: that event comic adaptation that we know is happening. We've

438
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Speaker 2: got Secret Invasion, you know, as well as Armor Wars,

439
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: which I'm stoked for because I love already, but like

440
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: Secret Invasion that is confirmed, and again that kind of

441
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: brings in this idea of the distrust of superheroes. Who

442
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: is really a superhero?

443
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: Right? In the comics. In the comics, Secret Invasion led

444
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Speaker 1: directly into Dark Rain because the fallout from that was

445
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: people were just like, so you're telling me that for

446
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: an unknown amount of time, like several high ranking government

447
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: officials as well as superheroes were actually aliens like working

448
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: against justice, peace and security, Like what the what the

449
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: hell is this? Like, what are we going to do

450
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: about this? So and that caused a significant erosion of trust,

451
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: and then of course you had to have Norman Osborne

452
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: and a bunch of dark Illuminati figures get together and

453
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: make a plan very very casually, but it feels like

454
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna go there. I do wonder if so we're

455
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Speaker 1: doing the multiverse right now, this is the phase we're in.

456
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if once we're through Quantumania, right, if they

457
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: will close the door, so to speak, on this particular

458
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: chapter of multiverse stuff, like whether it's incursion or whatever

459
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: device they use to kind of like close the door

460
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Speaker 1: on that. If we then move to a more grounded Okay,

461
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: let's let the bad guys run it, because when we

462
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: let the good guys run it, basically all we get

463
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Speaker 1: are destroyed cities, alien invasions, and et cetera.

464
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Speaker 2: And I think it leads into something. I think that

465
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Speaker 2: specific conversation is, like so much of what we talk

466
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Speaker 2: about and what makes this stuff special to us is

467
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: that it's this two way conversation between the people who

468
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: make these stories and the people who read them, and

469
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Speaker 2: that question of like the civil war question, the legislation question,

470
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Speaker 2: like who gave these people the right to go and

471
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Speaker 2: blow things up? And who chose them to be the protectors.

472
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Speaker 2: We're not talking about Peter Parker, the friendly neighborhood spider

473
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Speaker 2: man stopped like rescuing a cat and stopping people from

474
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Speaker 2: getting mugged, and even then like that's its whole own

475
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Speaker 2: sociopolitical conversation. But like we're talking about a teenager with

476
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Speaker 2: weld ending nuclear weapons. We're talking about Scarlet Witch, you know,

477
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: accidentally blowing up this building in Lagos. Like this is

478
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: this stuff that people get excited brillionaire to talk about.

479
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Speaker 1: A trillionaire is a trillionaire inventors like you know, various

480
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: inventions getting out after the whild Yeah, this is all

481
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: going to have an effect at some point, and we've

482
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: already got damage control. We know what exists in the universe.

483
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: It feels like at some point we're gonna get that reaction.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see that. Okay, this has been really fun.

485
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk more about this stuff. But first,

486
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Speaker 1: let's go to the airlock and talk about Peacemaker. All right,

487
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Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the airlock and into Evergreen, Washington,

488
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Speaker 1: home of HBO Max's series Dear.

489
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Speaker 4: They really want to take.

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Speaker 1: That Peacemaker created by James Gunn eight episodes, which just

491
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Speaker 1: wrapped up last week. John Cena as Christopher Smith Peacemaker,

492
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Speaker 1: Daniel Brooks as Leota Adebayo, Freddie Stroma The Wonderful Freddie

493
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Speaker 1: Stroma slash dick On Tarlie from Game of the Thrones

494
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: plays vigilante Chuck Wooy Wooji is Clemson Mern. Jennifer Holland

495
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: is Amelia Harcourts, Steve ag The Wonderful Steve Ag as

496
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Speaker 1: John Economos and Robert Patrick as august Augie Smith, the

497
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Speaker 1: White Dragon, leader of the white supremacist faction of the

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Speaker 1: DC universe. Folks. It was a fun season one. Excited

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Speaker 1: for season two. Let's do the Lightning style recap Episode seven,

500
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: stop dragging my heart around? Are you ready, Orsy, I'm ready,

501
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay, So the sounds of Motley Cruz

502
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five power Bell It hit Home, Sweet Home.

503
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: We flash back to Peacemaker's childhood and we see a really,

504
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: really troubling moment in which Chris and his older brother Keith,

505
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, they are hanging out listening to heavy metal music.

506
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: Keith is showing Chris how to do the devil horns,

507
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: and then they are called outside by their father, Augie.

508
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: Their father would like his sons to bare knuckle brawl

509
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: in a not even like in an arena or squared,

510
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: just literally in a pit, in a hole in the ground.

511
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: Chris punches his brother Keith. Keith suffers a serious brain

512
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: injury and dies, and Augie immediately blames Chris for Keith's death.

513
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: I've been wondering, you know, how they were going to

514
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Speaker 1: bring in Peacemaker's mental illness. You know, it's funny because

515
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: we've been talking about like Marvel's foray into a mental

516
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: illness storyline with Moonnight here is DC getting there first

517
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: with a character who is right out on Front Street,

518
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: like very very ill in his debut limited series from

519
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: the mid eighties. And here is kind of like the

520
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: origin story of Chris's really extreme trauma right here, we're

521
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: watching it happen.

522
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Speaker 2: DC getting it here first, I think is really key

523
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: to talk about with Peacemaker because as we talk more,

524
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: this is like basically their take on something we're going

525
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: to see from Marvel, and it's Yes, it's very interesting

526
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: to see this kind of exploration and look at PTSD

527
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: in the context of what is otherwise quite an outrageous,

528
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: like funny crass show.

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Speaker 1: We will delve into a conversation about what that exactly

530
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: is as we get to the end of this recap,

531
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: when they really start seeding in the stuff that seems

532
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: directly pulled from the comics that references Peacemaker's state of mind.

533
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Speaker 1: We go to the present day. Vigilante and Peacemaker are

534
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: on the run from the cops. Of course, cops have

535
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: just held a press conference in which they have called

536
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: for the capture, dead or alive, of Peacemaker. Meanwhile, Judo

537
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: Master has escaped, which is like barely mentioned. He's just

538
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: like out of there. There's too much going on. We

539
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: can't look for Judomaster right now. Judo Master has escaped.

540
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: He is back on the street. Peacemaker plans to take

541
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Speaker 1: Vigilante with him to go find the cow, the source

542
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: of the butterfly's food on Earth, and big spoiler, kill it.

543
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the you know, listen, that's the plan

544
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: to hammer. Everything looks like a nail. Gotta go kill

545
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: the cow. So they head off with John Ecconomos. Meanwhile,

546
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: at a Bio is racked by guilt for her role

547
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: in framing Peacemaker. Harcourt, realizing that Auto Bio planted the

548
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: diary in Peacemaker's trailer. At Amanda Waller's Behes confronts out

549
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: of Bio for portraying her teammates. Ads is like, listen,

550
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm not cut out for this mercenary life. I'm just

551
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: like a normal person, you know, Like I was running

552
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: a dog shelter. She doesn't say this now, but she's

553
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: like that was her life. She you know, lost her

554
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: job and then her mother, Amanda Waller, came to her

555
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: and was like, well, you need money, so why don't

556
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: you do this mern shows up. He knows that out

557
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: of Bio is Waller's daughter. Harcourt is still amazed at this,

558
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: and he says, listen, we need to get out of

559
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: here because the police and the police chief they're all butterflies.

560
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: They have access to their human bodies memories. Therefore they

561
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: know where all our locations are. Flash over to Juda Master,

562
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: what's he doing? He's hanging outside the easyps Mart, where

563
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: he quickly bushwax two assholes who were making fun of him,

564
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: and he steals their car. Little note for the for

565
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Speaker 1: the denizens of any superhero laden reality, if you see

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Speaker 1: someone in costume hanging out somewhere, don't just make fun

567
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: of them. Like you live in a world in which

568
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: multiple costumed people beat like people up all the time,

569
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: So just like, don't fuck around. Why are you doing that?

570
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: Harcourt calls Chris, but Peacemaker doesn't want to answer because

571
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: he is too busy sitting hair metal while driving with

572
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: John and the Vigilande to kill the cow. Meanwhile, Augie,

573
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: Chris's father, is in his white dragon power suit. He

574
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Speaker 1: is with his Arian Empire gang. They are homing in

575
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Speaker 1: on Chris's location because every one of Peacemaker's helmets has

576
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: a GPS locator in it. They waylay our hero's delivery

577
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: van and a big fight ensuits with Vigilante unloads his

578
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: submachine gun into the White Dragon, and then as the

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Speaker 1: coup de grass to finally take out Augie, he throws

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Speaker 1: a grenade midway between himself and the White Dragon. Unfortunately

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00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: they're standing about nine feet apart, and so Vigilandi, who

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00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: is in the less the less sturdy suit, takes the

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Speaker 1: absolute worst of the explosion. Chris and John look on

584
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: in horror they flee the scene. Peacemaker realizes at that

585
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: moment that his dad can track him through the helmet,

586
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: and so John Economos has the brilliant idea to tie

587
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: the helmet to a raccoon and they escape. The Vigilanti, meanwhile,

588
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: has managed to steal a car from one of the

589
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Arian Empire, but he passes out like after driving a

590
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: quarter of a mile because again his body has been

591
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: shredded by shrapnel from the grenade they threw four feet

592
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: away from himself. The Butterflies close in in their cop

593
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: you know meat suits close in on Hardcourt Mernon out

594
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: of bio Mirn is killed by goth after revealing his

595
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: true nature as a butterfly and his name is Ichnoblock

596
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: is revealed to his fellow alien insects, Goth crushes him

597
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: to death. Harcourt and out of bio or like hiding,

598
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: like right there, they're like hiding. They're like hiding literally

599
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: like around the corner. Nobody sees them. That's fine.

600
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

601
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: They go and comfort for Ichno Block slash meron in

602
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: his final moments, and just as Harcourt is beginning to

603
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: grapple to struggle with the challenge that they now face

604
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: without their leader, Mirn Judo Master shows up to grapple

605
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: and struggle with them both. He knocks out out of bio.

606
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: A brutal brawl ensues, which finally ends when out of

607
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Bio like stun guns Juda Master for like two straight

608
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: minutes right in the side. His little body can barely

609
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: take all that electricity passes. Peacemaker and John find Vigilante

610
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: passed out on the car. They get in as eagerly

611
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: pecks it, John Economos's asshole and they escape. Peacemaker realizes

612
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: that Vigilante has a bag full of elements that he

613
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: stole from his dad's headquarters, meaning that one hundred percent.

614
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: His dad knows exactly where there are because of the

615
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: GPS inside of all of them. They pull over. Peacemaker

616
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: goes off to throw this bag into a field. Why

617
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: do you need to throw it into Just leave it

618
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: at the side of the road and drive away.

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Speaker 2: He's a bad decision maker.

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00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: He's not the smartest guy, which is part of the

621
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: fun with Chris Smith slash the Peacemaker. The Arians find

622
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Peacemaker as he's trying to get rid of this bag

623
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: of helmets. They chase him back to the car proceed

624
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: to beat his ass as Eagleist flying around trying Eaglely's

625
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: very best to dissuade these people from killing his owner. Meanwhile,

626
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: John crawls like a half mile away. I don't know

627
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: why the sound from this fight wouldn't reach the part

628
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: of the forest where Vigilante is peeing against a tree

629
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: with his butt fully exposed. Here's the thing about peace

630
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: Regular that I love. Right, you get so much really

631
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: fun character lore that is now part of the history.

632
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: Like Vigilante is a real DC character, absolute psychopath. But

633
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: nowhere in this character's like lore history was it known

634
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: that he could not urinate if any kind of fact,

635
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: was touching his buttocks, but here we learned that about him. Meanwhile,

636
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: White Dragon is smacked eagerly to the concrete. Peacemaker charges

637
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: at his father and White Dragon unleashes like a unbelievable racist, homophobic,

638
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: nationalistic and just generally like means screed upon his son.

639
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: And it's only the quick thinking of Vigilante and John

640
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: Economos that managed to save Peacemaker's life. Chris then shoots

641
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: his father in the head after Augie is like, what

642
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Shoot me in the head? He

643
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: asked for He asked for it, and Chris weeps. Now

644
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: in the comics spoiler, Peacemaker's dad is already dead has

645
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: it also was shot in the head, but by his

646
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: own hand, commits suicide, and Peacemaker's dad is like a

647
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: flat out like an actual Nazi, like real real life

648
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: member of the Nazi party in the Waffen ss the

649
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: whole thing and mold his son to following and his

650
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: footsteps for various reasons that I'm not gonna spoil because

651
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: maybe they'll delve into it. That programming was like disrupted,

652
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: and Peacemaker's role and character arc like as a hero

653
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: was unbeknownst to him, steered by shadowy forces who were

654
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: just like trying to keep his like fragile, semi destroyed

655
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: psyche together. So here we see Chris weep after shooting

656
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: his father, but then not too soon after, in various

657
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: other episodes, we see that Aggie continues to appear to Chris. Yes,

658
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get that this it clearly we're

659
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna delve into this kind of broken psyche of Chris

660
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Smith the Peacemaker through this. And I wonder, Rosie, do

661
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: you think we're gonna learn that Peacemaker's own history with

662
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Keith the things that he remembers maybe aren't quite the

663
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: things that he remembers. Do you think that we're gonna

664
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: go there?

665
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised because the one thing that I

666
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: think really stands out, and this could just be James

667
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: gunns A. He's a very eccentric storyteller. There can be

668
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: big tone shifts, but I do think something that's very

669
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: telling about this show, which kind of it swerves between

670
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: absolutely grounded and brutal, and like the opening this episode

671
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: with Chris and his brother is like a great example

672
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: of that. But there's these flashes of something more supernatural,

673
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: more superheroic. Right, But the one thing that really stands

674
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: out to me that doesn't really fit into the world

675
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: and feels purposeful is the fact that Augie is like

676
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: this inventor genius who has a secret lay.

677
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Even does that come from caaskforce.

678
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: X don't have a secret lair? Like this guy has

679
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: a secret lay.

680
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: That's huge.

681
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: He makes all these different kind of helmets. We get

682
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: some really funny riffs on all the different kind of helmets,

683
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: but that feels like it's linked to something bigger or

684
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: something shadier. Also, like he's an idiot. He's like an

685
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: ignorant racist. Like I don't believe that he's a tech

686
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: genius in this right space that James Gunn has created

687
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: for him. So I think that you could be really

688
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: right about there being some kind of manipulation that harks

689
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: a little bit back more to the comics, especially with

690
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: the ghost stuff, because the notion of Peacemaker being haunted

691
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: by his father is like very much comics based, even

692
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: if it's not always as literal as they put it

693
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: in to the show. As we kind of go forward.

694
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Okay, we continue Harcourt and ads recover after their scrap

695
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: with Juda Master, and now we get this really wonderful

696
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: moment where they the two bond and finally share like

697
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: things from their life with each other. Ads talks about

698
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: her previous job managing a dog shelter, talks about her

699
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: relationship such that it is with her mother, Amanda Waller,

700
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: the extremely ruthless, loveless Amanda Waller, who apparently wanted her

701
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: daughter to transition directly from helping animals in need to

702
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: like active counterintelligence and assassination work, which is like, okay.

703
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Ads also not tell this is a notable. Did not

704
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: tell her mother that Mern was a butterfly, which is important.

705
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: Harror Court and Ads catch up with Peacemaker, Vigilante and

706
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: John at the local vets office, where Peacemaker is, of

707
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: course trying to heal eagerly. Harcourt talks Vigilante out of

708
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: like executing the veterinary stuff. He really really wants to

709
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: do it, but Harcourt manages it's really in a hilarious

710
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: fashion talking out of it.

711
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: But I just want to say, in a perfect character

712
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: moment that you were talking about. When she convinces him,

713
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: Vidg is then like, okay, well that's not dark tape

714
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: them because then it will hurt when they pull it off.

715
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 3: Right.

716
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: He's like the world's purest sociopath and I love him.

717
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: He is my favorite part of this show. Freddie Stromer

718
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: is icon. Give him everything.

719
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I absolutely love him. He is so hilarious. The moment

720
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: when he's like, okay, but now you're telling them like

721
00:39:54,239 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: stuff from my life is he is so okay. So

722
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: Ads walks back into the VET surgical medical rooms sees

723
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Peacemaker praying over Eagley's corpse what can only be described

724
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: as a very touching scene of your animal lover as

725
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: I am. Eagerly then rises and he and Peacemaker embrace,

726
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: and we flash back to that earlier scene from earlier

727
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: in the season when Peacemaker is telling at a bio

728
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: about how he hugged Eagerly at one point and out

729
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: of bio just dismissing it and being like, you're crazy,

730
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. At a bio is emotional that

731
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: this is kind of freaking out, calls Kia, her wife,

732
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: and suddenly is dedicated to this group of individuals. We

733
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: see the team now forming. She realizes she has to

734
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: help kill this cow. So the plan is to hit

735
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: the cow where it is and the cavern under the

736
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: barn before the butterflies have a chance to assemble their

737
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: teleportration equipment and get the cow out to a new location.

738
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: The team has come together, we could do the hilarious

739
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: moment we're Vigilante. Hardcourt asks them all if they are in,

740
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: if they're part of this team that is going to

741
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: take down the cow, and they're all like, you know,

742
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: piece workers, like yeah, I'm gonna do it, and then

743
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: Vigilante is like hashtag me.

744
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: Too, and it's such an honored so choked, and Freddie

745
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: Stromer is like the only person who can He's he's

746
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: so good because like he is a sociopath. Vidch is

747
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: a sociopath, but like throughout the show, he has in

748
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: the episode before this, he has this incredible moment where

749
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: he goes into the prison to try and to try

750
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: and like basically kill Peacemaker's dad and he does this

751
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: great speech where he asks all these neo Nazis what

752
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: their favorite contributions like black people have made to culture

753
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: art and he does this brilliant speech and like throughout

754
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: this they make him like very likable. So in the end,

755
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: like when he's the one making that joke. You're like,

756
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: he's just a pure kid who thinks he's shouting out

757
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: me too, Like he is that weird, Like this is hilarious,

758
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: and Freddy Stromer is an icon. I love him.

759
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: So the team heads off and we get a nice

760
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: character full circle moment as Hardcourt smiles at the heavy

761
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: metal music that's being blasted around her. And we're on

762
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: to the finale, episode eight. It's Cower Never in the

763
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: r V on the way to kill the Cow adds

764
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: it once again, trying to apologize to Peacemaker for setting

765
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: him up to be assassinated and take the fall for

766
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: all the various crimes that had happened throughout the series.

767
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Peacemaker responds with a series of fart sounds, which is

768
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: like various fart sounds lifting the leg, et cetera, like

769
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: each each kind of like building on the other, until

770
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: finally Vigilante joins in and Chris is like, duber off

771
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: it now, it's all now, like you got into it

772
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: too late. Chris ultimately does not accept the apology. He

773
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: is still I think, you know, rightfully hurt that out of.

774
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: Crime. I'm like, honestly, I'm like he deserved it. I

775
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: remember the Suicide Squad. I am Suicide Squad. I saw

776
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: this guy stop Rick Flagg who was alleged his hair

777
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: and his teammate did do that. So I think that

778
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: in a bubble he is right out of Baio like

779
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: what were you thinking? Yeah, But in the context of

780
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: the thing, I feel like he should have a little

781
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: bit more understanding and empathy for someone who might betray

782
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: a team member, especially when they apologize.

783
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: Great, great, great point. And you know, as Amanda Waller's daughter,

784
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: you know that it must take a lot for her

785
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: to apologize. When she's saying it, she really means. The

786
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: team arrives on the outskirts of the farm at Abaio

787
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: calls her mom, which is something that she hinted at

788
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: that she was going to do in the previous episode.

789
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: Her mom Amanda Waller and is like, hey, can we

790
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: get an assist from the Justice League? He hook us

791
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: up here. You have the Justice League out here. We're

792
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: facing like a full scale alien invasion and a cow

793
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: of unknown size. We need some help. Unfortunately, Amanda Waller says,

794
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: there's no time for the Justice League heavy hitters to

795
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: arrive on the scene. Yes, they have two team members

796
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: that can travel at superhuman speed, one who can run

797
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: at mach levin and who can travel through time because

798
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: you can run so fast. But they won't make it

799
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: there in time. Sorry, They're just.

800
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: Not gonna make it.

801
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: And they're on the clock, of course, because the butterflies

802
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: are as we speak, working to teleport the cow out

803
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: of the barn. At a Bio conveys a message from

804
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: her mom to Harcourt that Harcourt is now in charge.

805
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: The butterflies are getting ready to teleport the cow out

806
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: of here. In moments, the cow will be in a

807
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: different location. Harcourt and Peacemaker scout the barn. Meanwhile, Peacemaker

808
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: is explaining all his various helmets, all the cool things

809
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: that the helmets that his dad made him, his White

810
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: supremacists father made him, and all the things they can

811
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: do underwater breathing. Maybe not super useful right now, but

812
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: it's cool. Sonic boom will be useful very soon. Human

813
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: torpedo will be useful very soon, and more now. Right

814
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: after this, a very funny scene at of Bio accidentally

815
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: activates the anti gravity helmet, which goes flying off into

816
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: the air. And now our heroes need a new way

817
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: to get the sonic boom helmet to the barn. Somehow

818
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: Green Arrow's name comes up, and the Peacemaker is like

819
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: as he has done in hilarious fashion all throughout the series,

820
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: drops some probably not correct like information slash rumors about

821
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: the various superpowered individuals and super costumed individuals in the

822
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: DC universe, and he lets everybody know that Green Arrow

823
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: goes to Berny conventions and wears a costume with a

824
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: four inch wide butthole which is not as Vigilante asks

825
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: used for breathing, and it's probably not true, but John.

826
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: Economus does say. He says it's the one thing that

827
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: he does think is true, So who knows.

828
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: Steven Amel had some thoughts about this online this week.

829
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: So who knows. Never mind, because they can use Eagerly

830
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: to take the helmet over. So a Peacemaker tells Eagly

831
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: what to do. Eaglely overcomes its dislike of Harcourt, picks

832
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: up the helmet, flies it over to the barn. Is

833
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: going to be amazing, then flies over the woods and

834
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: drops the helmet somewhere over the trees. Okay, so what

835
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? The teleportationquipment is almost ready to go.

836
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: We gotta speed this up, folks. Our heroes pair up

837
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: to look for the helmet Vigan, Economos, Harcourt, and out

838
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: of bio Peacemaker and his dad. Wait what his dad? Sorry,

839
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: this is a fossilarm Augie is only there as a

840
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: very very realistic hallucination, a manifestation of Chris's extreme trauma.

841
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: So don't worry. Everything is fine and chill Peacemaker is

842
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: just having extremely realistic hallucinations of his white supremacist father.

843
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: This definitely will not play into season two of The Peacemaker,

844
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Meanwhile, Harcourt has just wandered up

845
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: and has witnessed Peacemaker shooting a poisoned dart into a

846
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: tree while screaming at his dad. Are we troubled by this?

847
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: We don't have time to be troubled by this, because

848
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: Harcourt finds the helmet buried under some leaves. Chris takes

849
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: out a butterfly sheriff steals his uniform. We flash forward

850
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: a few hours. They convince Economos to put on the

851
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: butterfly sheriff uniform, despite the fact that it was very

852
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: recently covered in shit, and Economist goes in, carrying the

853
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: helmet in a toolbox. On the way into the barn,

854
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: officer fitz Gibbon, of course, who is one of the butterflies,

855
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: stops h questions him briefly, but then allows Economists to

856
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: continue in, at which point John gets a look at

857
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: the cow and it is fucking horrifying, rosy.

858
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: It's huge, it's massive, It's a giant, monstrous kind of

859
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: caterpillar esque thing. But the name cow does it very

860
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: specific and I will get into why as we go forward.

861
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very excited to very excited to hear about this.

862
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: John flips out about this. I mean he has just

863
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: seen like a animal alien that is the size of

864
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: like a whole section of an airport, that has like

865
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't know eight or ten nipples that are continuously

866
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: being milked for its delicious amber fluid. John is like,

867
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. He flips out, He's leaving, and

868
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: on his way out, Fitzgibbon stops him again, and in

869
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: his response to fitzgibbons questions about why his beard looks

870
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: so weird, John, in a wonderful character full circle moment,

871
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: very emotionally admits that, yes, as Peacemaker has inferred all season,

872
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: he does die his beard, and he does so because

873
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: he just feels out of place, feels out of place

874
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: in the world. He feels maybe not good enough. He

875
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: feels he's not young enough, he feels that he's not

876
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: in shape enough, and he wants to feel like a

877
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: different person, and he's the pathetic person. Feels like he's

878
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: a pathetic person, and that's why he dies his beard.

879
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: And the entire team hears this exchange over the radio.

880
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Fitzgibbon is like, fine, I buy this, you can go away.

881
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: But then another of the butterflies finds the helmet that

882
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: John left in the barn, and they chase John, and

883
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: all hell breaks loose and here we go, We're going

884
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: to get the big fight. At a bio triggers the helmet,

885
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: which starts to cave the barn in on the cow.

886
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: The big fight is now fully engage. Peacemaker, Harcourt and

887
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Vigilante run to the barn. They're shooting, punching, hacking their

888
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: way through the various butterflies. Chris sees GoF Duck into

889
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: a stairway, heading underground. He chases after a Meanwhile, Vigilante

890
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: and Hardcourt shot like multiple times out in the battle

891
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: in front of the barn. They fall to the ground

892
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: with serious wounds. But before a butterfly can fully take

893
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: over Hardcore's body, it is climbing into her mouth. At

894
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: a Bio, showing that maybe her mom, Amanda Waller, knew

895
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: what she was doing. Maybe maybe at a Bio was

896
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: wasting her talents as the lowly And it's a noble calling,

897
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: so I don't mean to say lowly, but as a

898
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: mere manager of a dog shelter. Because at a Bayou

899
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: goes full John Wick on these butterflies like double guns

900
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: John Wu style, kicking, punching, shooting, fighting her way to

901
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: her friend Harcourt, who she saves, pulling the butterfly out

902
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: of her mouth moments before it can burrow all the

903
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: way in. At A Bio, now wearing the human Torpedo helmet,

904
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: follows the stairway down. As this is happening, Peacemaker has

905
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: managed to extract himself from the rubble, is immediately attacked

906
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: by golf. At A Bio appears, thinking I'm going to

907
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: save my friend activate Humor Torpedo. She goes cannonballing into

908
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: a wall and is knocked out koted. Golf is then like,

909
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: you know what, we need a third hand here, and

910
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: also I need to do an evil villain monologue because

911
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: that's what happens in these stories. So here's the deal. Okay,

912
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: it's me and Walker and we need a third set

913
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: of hands to throw that lever over there so we

914
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: can teleport this cow out of here. And here's the pitch. Okay. Actually,

915
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: your planet is on the road to ruin. It's on

916
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: the road to destruction. Same thing happened on our planet. Okay,

917
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: you politicians are not serving the people. The people are divided,

918
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: environmental collapse, military incursions, all of these things are happening

919
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: just in the exact same way that happened on our planet.

920
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: So let us invade. It's actually a good thing because

921
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: we are going to use our wisdom and our experience

922
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: to help the human race not fall into the trap

923
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: that we fell into. What do you think? And peacemakers

924
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: like activate human torpedo, sending at a baio, flying into

925
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: the cow's belly, killing it in absolutely fucking disgusting fashion.

926
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: He then kills Walker and kills Gough. Victory. We have

927
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: saved the day. Our team is walking away from the

928
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: ruins of the barn which hide below it the massive,

929
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: disgusting corpse of the cow. Chris is carrying the wounded

930
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: Harcourt in his arms, and just as they are walking off,

931
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: who should arrive but the Justice League minus Batman and Cyborg,

932
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: who again, somehow, despite the fact that they have two

933
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: speedsters in the group. I'm calling Superman a speedster. He

934
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: can go at superhuman speeds. Yeah, they have arrived too late. Somehow.

935
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Peacemaker gives some hey, I know you fucked a fish

936
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: humor to Aquaman, who, believe me, has heard it many, many,

937
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: many many times before. This old hat for Ackman has

938
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: been dealing with this. Later, at the hospital, Chris and

939
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: out of Bio makeup, Peacemaker is a little bit worried

940
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: that per the Butterfly pitch from GoF that maybe he's

941
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: just doomed the world to the fate of the butterfly planet.

942
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: He's unsure about it. Out of Bio gets to address

943
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: the media. She clears Peacemaker's name and reveals that he

944
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: and VIGILANCEI were working under a program that was greenlit

945
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: by Task Force X, a Task Force X affiliated program it,

946
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: thus revealing publicly the existence of Task Force X, run

947
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: out of the Bell Reef Prison by her mother, Amanda Waller,

948
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: and which is a program that uses superpowered criminals to

949
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: send on suicide missions to basically save the world over

950
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: and over again.

951
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know them as Suicide Squad.

952
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: You know them as Suicide Squad. Whiller watches from Belle

953
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: Reeve and she is pissed. We get a series of pops.

954
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: Now as we head out of the show, Chris is

955
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: allowed to see Harcourt, who's recovering from surgery. A nice

956
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: warm moment there. At Obayo returns to her wife Ta Kia.

957
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: Wonderful moment there. John Economos limps back to Belle Reeve

958
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: and Taskforce ex his previous job. I'm glad that he

959
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: still has a job.

960
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: Somehow, somehow still has a.

961
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: Job, bringing with him fond memories and a wonderful picture

962
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: from the friends he made along the way. In the

963
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: fight against the butterflies. At the ruins of the Barn,

964
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: Jo Master shows up eating flaming hot cheetos and he

965
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: weeps a peacemaker and Vigilante or backs in fact having

966
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: fun in the forest. They're just like blowing up an

967
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: oldmobile with an artillery shell for fun Harcourt, we get

968
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: to watch her learning to walk again, and then later

969
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: at Peacemaker's RV, a butterfly shows up. Chris feeds it

970
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: some wonderful amber juice that apparently he had been saving up.

971
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: Then his dad appears on the and talks to him

972
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: in a very realistic way, even though we know that

973
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: this is a hallucination and we are off into season

974
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: two of The Peacemaker. Whenever that happens, let's talk about it, Rosie.

975
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: I think, as we talked about previously, it seems like

976
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: we are heading directly into the real comics lore of

977
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: the Peacemaker, as this person who is constantly bedeviled by

978
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: the voice and image of his father, who as he

979
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: is doing, you know, in the middle of fights in

980
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: the comics, Peacemaker will hear the voice of his father

981
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: being like, you need to be more brutal. You're not,

982
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: You're too weak. Why are you saving lives? You should

983
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: be exterminating lives. Clearly, we're going to be going to

984
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: this place. We talked about the parallels with Marvel's Moonnight.

985
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this part of the Peacemaker

986
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: story now clearly going to be part of season two

987
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: and Christmas story going forward.

988
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting because the key that this

989
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: finale sets up is something that could have been completely

990
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: gone in a total different direction, because it's really just

991
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: this episode. So James Gun did an interview where he said,

992
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, in that moment when Chris decides to kill

993
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 2: the butterflies and destroy the cow, he makes the worst

994
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: possible choice for the best reasons. So for the first time,

995
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: he puts his friends, yeah, and his connections before this

996
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: idea of peace and doing anything for peace, right, So

997
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting that we have this character

998
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: who's done the most abhorrent things, who is like the

999
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: most gnarly war criminal sociopath, but wants to be better,

1000
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 2: and then you end this season knowing that while he's

1001
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: on that quest for a better life, maybe some kind

1002
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 2: of absolution or just caring about people, for the first time,

1003
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: he's going to be haunted by this kind of dark

1004
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: passenger Dad, who is going to be a counterpoint to that.

1005
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: And I think that goes intertwining kind of aspects of

1006
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: Chris are going to be like the major point and

1007
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: kind of conflict of season two as he tries to

1008
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: do bat Yeah.

1009
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Guns told Deadline about season two of Peacemaker, I can't

1010
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: say anything. It is connected to these universe. I don't

1011
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: think it will be the same genre as Peacemaker. It

1012
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: will be as much comedy as Peacemaker, but it will

1013
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: be in the same universe. I think all of that

1014
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: suggests that they probably will lean into that kind of

1015
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: fractured psyche. The white supremacist voice that Chris is trying

1016
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: to escape is going to continue to be a force

1017
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: in his life. We should add that. Uh that over

1018
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: the Green Arrow tweet, Steven Emmel shot back on Twitter.

1019
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: He said, of that moment, haven't seen it of the show,

1020
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen it too busy showing scene of what professional

1021
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: wrestling should actually look like on TV. I think this

1022
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: was actually a joke. I don't think he's like actually mad.

1023
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1024
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like I think it's like,

1025
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: it's it's it's uh, it's k fab right, it's it's

1026
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: it's it's you do the you do the little be

1027
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: so something Okay, so's something I want to talk about, right,

1028
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: So we talked. You talked about the connection between like

1029
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: this show delving into mental health and and PTSD. And

1030
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily say that this is like that's like

1031
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: the central thread, but I would say it's something that

1032
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: James Gunn is clearly really interested in. I mean, to me,

1033
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: that's one of the most powerful things about Suicide Squad

1034
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: is looking at how all these people have been shaped

1035
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: by the violence that they had to do. You know,

1036
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: Idris Elba, his character has a lot of that Rat

1037
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: Catcher Hers is an opposite version. So James Gunn obviously

1038
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: cares about this, and like you said, it preempts the

1039
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: version that we're going to see of that in Moonnight.

1040
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: We already saw it in Legion, the Fox show kind

1041
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: of loosely based on the X Men character.

1042
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: Charles and and loved and ignored some.

1043
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: And that definitely it was very gray area of what

1044
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: that what the exploration was, and.

1045
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: What the character was saying.

1046
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: But there's something else that James Gunn did in this

1047
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: show that in watching the finale and preparing for this,

1048
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: James Gunn has preempted something else that Marvel is about

1049
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: to do. And I bet that everyone at Disney is

1050
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: absolutely pissed because do you know, what this show is,

1051
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna blow your mind out. I haven't already

1052
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: thought of this. It's a Secret Invasion show.

1053
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: I know.

1054
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: The entire show is Secret Invasion. It is about a

1055
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: world and a society that looks like our own that

1056
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: has been taken over by aliens in all different high

1057
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: parts of the government, which in Secret Invasion is the Scrolls,

1058
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: and it is about how they had to leave their

1059
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: planet because of kind of cosmic immigration, planetary destruction, all

1060
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: the same things as The Butterflies and this show. And

1061
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: not only that. The reason that I know that James

1062
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Gunn is either the world's most hilarious troll and I

1063
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: respect her, or he is very subconsciously. I know that

1064
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: he is subconsciously influenced by every kind of comic because

1065
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: the Suicide Squad, there is an argument that that isn't

1066
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: every character in that is analogous to a character in

1067
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: The Avengers, So here is obviously influenced. But the thing

1068
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: that makes me think this is specific is that there

1069
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: is a very specific part of Secret Invasion more that

1070
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: ties into the Scrolls, which is the idea that in

1071
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: the very first appearance of the Scrolls, some of them

1072
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: get stuck as cows and is the Scroll Kill Crew comic,

1073
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: which I feel like James Dun's probably a huge fan of.

1074
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: There is a storyline about the cows alien meat becoming

1075
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: a part of the the kind of the wider American

1076
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: food stuff. Yeah, this whole thing, it's just secret invasion.

1077
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: And I bet Disney is like so mad that Jay's

1078
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: calling it the cow is amazing. Thank you for explaining it.

1079
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: Here's my counterpoint, are is there probably people that are annoyed?

1080
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: I think probably so. On the other hand, DC and Marble,

1081
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: these two companies have been so interlinked, like, yes, they

1082
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: are competitors, but they are constantly, I mean constantly ripping

1083
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: off each other, taking each other's characters and putting their

1084
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: own spins on it, taking each other's storylines and putting

1085
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: their own spins on it. They are doing this constantly,

1086
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: whether it's you go back to you know, Fanos and

1087
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: Dark Soidles like their classic like you could go to

1088
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: Moonnight and Batman, like there's a million of these, and

1089
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: so I think viewing it from that perspective, and of course,

1090
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: like whether it's you know, George Perez or Brian Michael Bendis,

1091
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: there's been any number of creators who have gone between

1092
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: both companies and have had wonderful, happy creative careers at

1093
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: both companies and have no problem whatsoever going from DC

1094
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: to Marvel, DC to marveling back. So I think viewed

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: it from this perspective, this is like another one of.

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: Those things, Yeah, like where you know, where a creator

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01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 4: has moved from one side of the street to the

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: other and has included some sly reference as like how

1099
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: many Superman jokes are in moraal Comics.

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01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: It's how many Captain America jokes are in DC. It

1101
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: happens all the time.

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01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, it's so like I love that angle actually

1103
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: because you know what else, it's it's that conversation we're

1104
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: always talking about. Marvel and DC are in conversation with

1105
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: each other. Right in Eternals they mentioned Batman and Superman

1106
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: for the first time. Like this conversation is becoming more

1107
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: of a two way street. And I actually really kind

1108
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: of love your angle on it too, because their imaginary

1109
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: does somebody at Corporate Disney not like this, perhaps, But

1110
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: the real truth is this once again actually does something

1111
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: truly brilliant that a lot of these stories rely on,

1112
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: just like Marvel introducing the multiverse, people need to have

1113
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: an understanding and a cultural recognition of what that means.

1114
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: And DC's TV shows had been doing multiverse for ten years,

1115
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: so if people kind of had an idea, oh, something

1116
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: that exists in the DC Animated universe can also exist

1117
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: on the CW, Like that's a multiverse. So in a way,

1118
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: this actually just because it's not going to be anything

1119
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: like Secret Invasion. This is James Gun's own vision, but

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01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: the analog of the story is there. And I think

1121
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: that in a way, like I love your perspective, because

1122
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: what this really does is it just gets people familiar

1123
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: with this kind of storytelling. It gets people familiar with

1124
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: these wider, broader ideas that can then be reimagined because like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's invasion of the body snatches. It's not like this

1126
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: was some incredibly.

1127
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Unique No one's saying like it's the thing, you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: The thing exactly. It's the paranoia, who can we trust?

1129
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: It's they live? You know, there's some elusions of this,

1130
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: and I kind of love that's so close to Secret Invasion.

1131
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: We've gotten to see James Gunn's take on this kind

1132
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: of classic sci fi. But in this superhero trappings and

1133
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: with these kind of things that seem like nods like

1134
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: the cow, it really makes it fun to watch.

1135
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: This kind of stuff is super fun. I really had

1136
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: a great time. Another question, so we mentioned in a

1137
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: previous conversation brief conversation we had about the Peacemaker that

1138
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: me I think the thing that would define like how

1139
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: important Peacemaker was was going to be like how does

1140
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: it tie in? Right, That's what it's all about now,

1141
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: is how does this tie into the broader universe? And

1142
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: with that cameo at the end of the finale, we

1143
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: got our answer. Right, the Justice League came. They came

1144
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: at the behest of Amanda Waller, whose daughter was you know,

1145
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: working with Peacemakers, so we know that this is all

1146
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: taking place in the universe. Notably, Cyborg and Batman Bruce

1147
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: Wayne were not there. What do you think they were

1148
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: doing because they could have done it right like they

1149
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean they you know, they have Superman and Wonder

1150
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 1: Woman there, but just like in shadow so you don't

1151
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: really see their faces. We got the full moa moa

1152
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: action with Aquaman. We got to see Barry Allen full face,

1153
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: and we know that the actor was there, but they

1154
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: clearly could have done like a Batman in Shadow, Cyborg

1155
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: and Shadow if they wanted to. Where do you think

1156
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: they are and what are they doing?

1157
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm most intrigued by this, especially because of

1158
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: James's quote that you mentioned earlier, where he's like, there

1159
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: are reasons for it, but I'm unsure if I can

1160
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: actually say what they are that to me says it's

1161
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: some kind of corporate planning. But what I'm really interested

1162
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: in is like, so we see Momoa as Aquaman, who

1163
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: I love. That's like, I love Aquaman, am Aquaman, stand,

1164
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: Barry Alan Ezramila, Like, so this is that DCEU world, right,

1165
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: So I think to me, if I was gonna creatively guess,

1166
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: I would say, like, it's a struggle to decide which

1167
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Batman would be there. And in Batman with Superman, he

1168
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: has a very archetypical shadow. It's just a it's a

1169
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: flying even though I think his proportions were a bit off.

1170
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: I think he's a bit chunkier but sure, but like

1171
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: Batman people Alex, but like Batman for example, I feel

1172
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: like if he had been there and he'd had the

1173
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: little short ears, you'd be like, oh, that's Ben Affleck Batman,

1174
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: but Robert Pins and Batman, do we know if he's

1175
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: in that same world, we don't like, is that going

1176
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: to still be that kind of Earth two thing that

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01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers had kind of mentioned, Like, so, I think

1178
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: the problem is the bat suit is so iconic that

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: by putting any Batman there, you like make a statement, right,

1180
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: And I kind of I can't even a silhouette. I

1181
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: kind of like the idea narratively that like Batman and

1182
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: Cyborg would be on a mission together, you know, doing

1183
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: if we're talking narratively, Like, I really love that idea

1184
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: that that could kind of be the explanation, like they

1185
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: were doing something that was more important. You know, this

1186
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: is not the first alien invasion for that Justice League,

1187
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: right is Like, so you send your like it's kind

1188
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: of cruel as well, But I love it because, like

1189
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm a big Aquaman fan, and but the Flash and

1190
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: that Acuaman are not like the A list DC heroes,

1191
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: So I kind of love that. I like this, Superman

1192
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: and wonder Woman obviously that's part of the trinity, but

1193
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: I kind of love that the ones we see are

1194
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 2: like the the B Team.

1195
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: I like that too. When do you think we'll get

1196
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: Green Lantern back in the mix? Like the movie was bad? Okay, yeah,

1197
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: we know, but that's like a huge part of the OG,

1198
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: like the real like iconic Justice League lineup.

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Speaker 2: It's the biggest question. So they're doing like a Green

1200
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: Lantern's show, right, and we know that the way that

1201
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: the DC stuff has been is you can have the

1202
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: show that exists alongside a movie version. I think whenever

1203
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: we get it, I don't think it will be how Jordan.

1204
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: I think it's probably gonna be John Stewart.

1205
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: John Stewart.

1206
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just feel like it has to be soon.

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01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: That never fails to trip me up, that that it's

1208
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: that it's the name is John Stewart. In most ways,

1209
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: like when John Stewart first arrived on the scene, I

1210
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's Green Lantern and then when and

1211
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: then after a while it slipped where oh the comedian

1212
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: John Stewart. Yeah, Now both times they were just so

1213
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: like mashed together.

1214
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be something like that.

1215
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: I think we potentially could see like a Jessica Cruz,

1216
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: like a newer, more diverse kind of I would love

1217
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: attitude wise, like I mean, I love Yeah, I want

1218
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: to see John Stewart there, especially a version of him

1219
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: where he's like, you know, the architect or something like

1220
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: something a bit more about the blueprints. I think something

1221
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: that's really exciting about Green Lanton. We rarely get to

1222
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: see them imagine anything other than like a giant fist

1223
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: or a gun. So I would love to see the

1224
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: reality of the Green Lantern power and the power of

1225
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: will Walk to life more visually. But I would also

1226
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: like to see Guy Gardner Green Lantern like. I just

1227
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 2: think he's got such a good attitude and I believe

1228
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: that he might be one of the leads of the

1229
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: Green Lantern Show, which makes me think that John Stewart

1230
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: as the movie Green Lanton would make the most sense. Question.

1231
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: Do you think that I find this extremely doubtful, but

1232
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it out there. Do you think

1233
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be some sort of the Batman Matt

1234
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: reeves is the Batman reason for Batman not being there?

1235
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: And now, originally I will say that we were absolutely

1236
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: convinced that there would be some sort of like hawkeyed

1237
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: tie in to uh spider Man to Spider Man, and

1238
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, and that one seems like a really

1239
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: easy one to do. So I just don't see this happening,

1240
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: but you gotta put it out there reasonable. The Batman

1241
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: is coming out soon, It's possible.

1242
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: And the truth is, I think that the irony is

1243
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: while there might not be a direct narrative easter egg though,

1244
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 2: which we kind of thought there would be with Hawkaye

1245
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: and Spider Man, what they did with hawkay and Spider

1246
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 2: Man is they let us like put it together like, oh, well,

1247
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: spider Man, you know, he was probably there on this

1248
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: day because the tree was still standing in Rockefeller Center.

1249
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 2: So I think like when we see the Batman will

1250
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: probably be like, oh well, narratively, he probably couldn't have

1251
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: been there. He was busy. But also I think corporately

1252
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: that's not a word. Yeah, you know, I think in

1253
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: a corporate sense, I actually think that is the spot

1254
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 2: on thing. I think DC is about to commit to

1255
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: a brand new iteration of Batman that we are unsure

1256
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: of how connected it will be or how standalone it

1257
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: will be. And I think that in that way, to

1258
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: have this episode coming out like a couple of weeks

1259
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: before Batman having Batman in any way is a statement,

1260
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 2: you know.

1261
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's run down some some of the upcoming DCEU

1262
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: projects because it's just fun. So the Batman of course,

1263
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: March fourth, DC League of super Pets May twentieth. You

1264
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: mentioned before that you know, Marvel is probably mad that

1265
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: Supervisions Petavengers. How did they do that? Marvel has been

1266
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: beaten to the punch on Petavengers by DC's League of

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Speaker 1: Superpets Black Adam, which looks very interesting. July twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Then the long awaited and I mean long awaited flash

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Speaker 1: movie November fourth, File by Acuaman and Lost Kingdom. I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited about continuing Jason Moulmolvers Batgirl twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: Sandman TV series, which is not going to be connected

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Speaker 1: to anything, but I am very good. Yeah, very very

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Speaker 1: excited that it's coming. But it is not going to

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Speaker 1: benected to any of this.

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Speaker 2: But I am very happy that we have reached the

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Speaker 2: place as.

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Speaker 1: A pop called Sandman era, the Samon era can happen.

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Speaker 2: And also that people understand that Vertigo is owned by DC.

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Speaker 2: This is technically a DC Comics project. Those are conversations

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Speaker 2: that ten years ago people will be like, oh, no, Vitigo,

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Speaker 2: that's indie comics. That's create your own. I mean some

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Speaker 2: Vitgo comics are sam Man is not. But but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love that this is included in there. But alas

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Speaker 2: that is sadly not gonna we are not going to

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Speaker 2: see death like popping up in Batgirl, though I would love,

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Speaker 2: like not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: Salmon is really you know, whenever you would see a

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Speaker 1: graphic novel on the shelf of someone who doesn't read

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: comics at least when I was like in college and

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Speaker 1: when I was a younger person, it was one of

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Speaker 1: three comics. It was Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Yeah, and Sandman.

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Speaker 1: Those were the three. So this is a big moment.

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01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 1: This is a really this is an iconic, iconic graphic novel,

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Speaker 1: iconic comics series about to hit the screen. Okay, Harley

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: Quinn season three, the extremely If you haven't watched Harley

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 1: Quinn season one and two, whoa, it's so funny. Fix it,

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01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: fix it because it's so so so funny. Watch it

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Speaker 1: season three come in twenty twenty two. Titans season four.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched any Titans, but I need to watch it.

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01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: Titans teen. Titans is like, I actually think, theoretically my

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01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: first comic book because we got a say noted drugs

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: comic like in elementary school, and it was The Teen Titans.

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: Oh way, dude, that I will say Titans. Never saw

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 2: it gonna get I never would have guessed it was

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 2: gonna get four seasons. I remember being at San Diego

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: Comic com when the fuck Batman trailer dropped and ever

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: it was like, what the heck? But when I first

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: saw that pilot, I was like, this should be a

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: HBO Max show. It looks like HBO Max. There's a

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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones reference and lo and behold. I mean

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: at the time I said HBO because I didn't know

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Speaker 2: HBO Max would exist. But I feel like it has

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: found its place on that I love any teen team,

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: and while we do not have an Exavier's School for

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 2: Gifted Youngster show, I continue to watch Titans. It is

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,879
Speaker 2: also good as a kind of potted history of famous

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01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: Batman back family kind of stories in a way that

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: like X Men ninety two, one of the reasons I

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01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: think people love it so much is you get to

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Speaker 2: see all these different stories. You know, Phoenix Saga, right,

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01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 2: the Day's a future past.

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Speaker 1: It's like an anthology series of like the greatest hits

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01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: of the Titans.

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: Each season has elements of that, specifically the last season,

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: which is very heavily based on death in the Family,

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01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: Jason Todd's stuff. So I think if you like Batman

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01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 2: and you want to explore it and you don't mind

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: it being a little bit edgy, definitely worth a try.

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Speaker 1: Doom Patrol season four. There's another series that I did

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01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: not think would get for season six, Pennyworth season three

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two Young Justice YEP season four, the

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Speaker 1: Aeroverse TV series, which is I always like Green Arrow.

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Speaker 1: Let me just put out there. I like Green Arrow.

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01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: He cares about social justice, he puts his money where

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: his mouth is, and I've always been a fan of

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01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: the comics Green Arrow, Shazam, Fury the Gods, and second

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Blue Beetle, which is going to be

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: super fun for the fans of Blue Beetle, And then

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01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: Peacemaker season two likely twenty twenty three, oh of course,

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01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: and then Wonder Woman three, which is somewhere in development

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: who knows where. Lots of stuff to think about. How

1342
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: in the future do you think Peacemaker could possibly tie

1343
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: back to Justice? We now have seen Justice League in

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01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: a Peacemaker a show. I wonder if we get any

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01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: mentions in upcoming DCEU movies of like whether it's Doom, Patrol, Titans, whatever,

1346
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: just like a mention like, Oh, there's this team working

1347
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: over here. Oh there's that guy with the bow and

1348
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: arrow over at Star City.

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Speaker 2: I think that I've just had a brain wave inspired

1350
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 2: by our convo. I think that this may be the

1351
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: HBO Max superhero shows and movies as we are about

1352
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: to see them. Batgirl, you mentioned Blue Beetle. HBO James

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 2: Gunn has talked about the possibility of potential are the

1354
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: Suicide Squad spinoff shows, which I would love and seems

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 2: very light in the context of how popular.

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Speaker 3: The show was.

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01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: So I think that maybe it's less about whether or

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01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: not we will see any movies that reference these shows,

1359
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: and more about how these shows will build in elements

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01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: of what we knew as the DCEU, so like, will

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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 2: this be the place where the Jared Leto Joker exists?

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: Will this be the place where these Justice League Zack

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01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:27,520
Speaker 2: Snyder characters continue to be the main line of superheroes.

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: Because Zack Snyder's Justice League was a HBO Max original

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01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: this show is a HBO Max original. Maybe they're building

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: some kind of HBO Max televisual DC universe that is

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01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: going to continue that line on while they continue this

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Speaker 2: kind of more autor driven visionary, different kind of film universes.

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: And obviously we know Aquaman is still going to have

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Speaker 2: a movie, so that's somewhere I could imagine him making

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01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: like a funny joke about Peacemaker or John Cena kind

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01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: of on the meta meta level, you know, so I

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: could see it. But I actually think we might be

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: seeing a world where the DCEU and the kind of

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01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: snide of US era stuff continues more in these TV

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01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: shows than necessarily anywhere. Also, that would that would fit

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01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: in with there were kind of rumors around the idea

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: that the Batgirl movie would connect to the Flash movie. Yeah,

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 2: you know so, I think maybe that era and those

1380
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 2: two heroes, specifically Aquaman and the Flash might be that

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01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: world connected between the movies and TV that we were

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: waiting for.

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Speaker 1: Let's leave this conversation with this. One of the theories

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: about season two would be that bane iconic Batman villain

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: Bain would appear in season two of Theburger Prusberger Your

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: Daughters but James Gunn shot that down brutally, saying, quote,

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: don't you know by now to make really sure of

1388
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: this stuff before posting? This is bullshit. No one knows

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: what's coming but me and even I don't fully know.

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: So there you have it. No Bane in season two

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: of the p R Bersberger or bar.

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Speaker 2: Up.

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Speaker 1: Next, let's go to the Hive Mind. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Hive Mind, where we dive deep into a topic with

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Speaker 1: the help of a guest. This week, X Ray Vision

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Speaker 1: is please to welcome Chuck Woody Woogy aka Clemson Mern

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Speaker 1: aka Ick No Block from Peacemaker. Chuck, what do you

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us so much? Congratulations on Peacemaker

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01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 1: Season one? Super fun show. How did you get involved

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 1: in it? What brought you to playing Mern? Rest in peace? Mern?

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01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll ask you later if if that's to stay, but

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: let's see what brought you to this project.

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01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: Well, it was your standard wake up in the morning,

1404
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: getting on with your damn and an email comes from

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01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 3: your agent. And it was soon after COVID, you know,

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 3: the first round of COVID at ended, so like things

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 3: were beginning to open up, and it was one of

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 3: the first things that came my way and it was

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: like three pages of you know, very secretive, you know,

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01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 3: not giving anything away, but it was a James Gunn

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01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 3: project and all that stuff, and I actually remember reading it.

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 3: I've told this story a hundred times. Is like, and

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01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 3: I just said to my wife, why am I wasting

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: my time? They're gonna cast you know, Lance Reddick. You

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean, He's perfect for this. I mean

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01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: I would cast him, you know. But then I read

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: the material and it was so funny. I mean it

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01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 3: was I think the scene I got was the first

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01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 3: scene where he comes in and meets Peacemaker his trailer,

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01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 3: you know, in episode one, and I'm reading that and

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01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 3: I said, to my this is so hilarious. You know what,

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 3: let's just tape it. I'm not going to get it,

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01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 3: but I owe it to this material to give it

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 3: a go. And we did it. We did one take actually,

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01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 3: and sent it out. And as it happens, as I've

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: heard over is that James saw it and was like,

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01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: who the hell is this guy? I want him? And

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Speaker 3: that's sort of like how it happened. You know.

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Speaker 1: As a fan of Angle File television and movies, the

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01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: thing I love about you know, watching stuff on BBC

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: is just how the range that actors who come up

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: through the UK kind of like acting tree, the range

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01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: that you all display. You've done everything from Shakespeare to

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01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: John Wick now Peacemaker. How does how does that affect

1435
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: the way you approach a role, the way you approach

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: Mern having this intense training. I mean you've played You've

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: played Othello on stage.

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Speaker 3: I've read yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly it's all I know.

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how to like compare it

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 3: to someone who doesn't have, you know, the same background

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01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 3: as I do. My whole, my whole world of acting

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01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,560
Speaker 3: has been about building characters from the ground up, you know,

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01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 3: from what's on the page in front of you. You

1444
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 3: talks about my classical background. Yeah, when you're doing Shakespeare

1445
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: or Chekhov or Ibsen and stuff, it's it's on the page.

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01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 3: You know, your You're led the writers great writers, And

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01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 3: I think James is a phenomenal writer, because the really

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01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: good writers are very good at directing the actors with

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01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 3: what they say, how they say stuff. So I look

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01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: for clues on the page and I just don't know

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01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 3: how else to approach the work. Then the way I

1452
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 3: would approach. I approached Hamlet, I approached Othello, and I

1453
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: approached man, there's this stuff in front of me. You

1454
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 3: learn the lines, you get the clues from the writer

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01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 3: what you feel, your instincts tell you he wants, and

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: then you the whole process is it getting deeper and

1457
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 3: settling into you settling and settling, and your imagination goes well,

1458
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 3: you dream on it, you wake up, you run the lines.

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01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 3: I always believe I the first thing I do is

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01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 3: learn the lines, because those are where all my clues

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 3: are in the language. So, going back to what you

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Speaker 3: say about the BBC, yeah, it's we're very lucky in

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01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 3: certainly the British system and a lot of European systems,

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01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 3: is that when you leave drama school, that's just the beginning.

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01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, you don't assume you're an actor after drama school.

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01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 3: But we have the luck sury of things like where

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Speaker 3: I came up, the roy Shakespeare Company, the National Theater, Bristol, Ulvic,

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01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 3: all these places where you can be an apprentice, so

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Speaker 3: you can spend literally ten years learning, growing, growing in

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 3: that confidence of doing, doing, doing, doing tiny roles and

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Speaker 3: the roles grow and stuff. So we have a whole

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Speaker 3: culture of just being given time and space to grow,

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01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: you know. And I feel very lucky about that because

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 3: it builds a confidence in you. Work begets work, and

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01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 3: experience grows. Doing all these sort of shows, there were

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01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 3: seasons I would have about twenty roles in my head

1477
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: in a season, you know, and each one has to

1478
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 3: be distinct, you know. So we're steeped in the culture

1479
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 3: of characterization and building characters and letting it go and

1480
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 3: going on to the next thing and stuff. You know.

1481
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of that, when did you find out that

1482
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: Mern was a butterfly? And did that in any way

1483
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: This is going to sound like a nerdy question, but

1484
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: these are the things I think about. Did that in

1485
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: any way affect your performance? Were you thinking, Okay, I'm

1486
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: block inside, I don't even meet and that's the character

1487
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: that I'm playing, Not like, did it affect the way

1488
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: you approached the role?

1489
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: On No, No, I knew about Mern right from the start.

1490
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: It was part of what really attracted me to the

1491
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 3: role and made it very juicy. Peter Saffren and James

1492
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 3: called me and told me about this arc that he has.

1493
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 3: But in all fairness, Jason, I don't believe in playing

1494
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 3: an arc in life. We don't know what's coming next.

1495
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 3: We don't know what's next. We just play moment and

1496
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 3: moment in life. And as an actor, I don't believe

1497
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 3: believe in drip feeding the audience, condescending actually the audience

1498
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 3: by doing that. I genuinely believe in this is what

1499
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 3: the scene is saying. James has written it in a

1500
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 3: certain way where we have a reveal, So why spoil

1501
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: the surprise as it were? So I'm always interested in

1502
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 3: playing moment and moments and letting the arc take care

1503
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,799
Speaker 3: of itself. I really feel if there were any clues

1504
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 3: about who Myrn was, it was in the writing, and

1505
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: I certainly wasn't going to let it be in my

1506
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 3: performance because if you're a good actor, as in if

1507
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 3: Mern as a butterfly is a good actor as Mern,

1508
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 3: he would hide it. He wouldn't be saying, hey, wink wink,

1509
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 3: am I a butterfly or not? You know, that just

1510
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 3: isn't real For me. I wanted the audience to have

1511
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: a genuine surprise, and I wanted to let myself have

1512
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 3: that surprise when it happened.

1513
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, also, it was a wonderful surprise. In the

1514
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: Blooper reels, which are wonderful, there's a moment in which

1515
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: johnsena gets you to get you to break and says

1516
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: something like Operation Truck was a success. As an actor

1517
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: who's come up through the stage and you've spoken wonderfully,

1518
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: how you take your cues from the written page? How

1519
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: do you approach improvisation these moments of improvisation. When stuff

1520
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: like that happens on the set.

1521
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 3: Oh, it terrifies the hell out of me. There's nothing

1522
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: that scared to be more than a direct to say

1523
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 3: and okay, improvise something. James has a habit. Right now,

1524
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 3: we're shooting Guardians and we'll do a few takes of something.

1525
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: I said, okay, we got a chuck. Now do whatever

1526
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 3: you want. And I'm like, ha, you know, do something different,

1527
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 3: do whatever you want. I'm like, what, yeah, no, I

1528
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: Some actors love it. Some actors are natural edit. I

1529
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 3: don't love improvising. I really like I really like to

1530
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 3: know what I'm doing and be given it. But in

1531
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 3: that group, in that setting, I did improvise. We all did,

1532
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 3: and James encourages it, and it's such a safe atmosphere

1533
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: to do it in and such a fun atmosphere that

1534
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: you're never really gonna fall flat on your face. It's

1535
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: always just gonna Some things are gonna work better than others,

1536
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 3: but you're never gonna be You're not gonna fall flat

1537
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: on your face because it's encouraged and James likes to

1538
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 3: let the camera run on and on. But that said,

1539
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: I was the straight man. That mern is is very

1540
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 3: reflective of who I was amongst that cast, because they're naturals.

1541
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 3: I mean, John can improvise from now till eternity. Steve

1542
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 3: ag stand up, I mean, just Hilarius, Danielle, you know.

1543
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 3: I mean it's so natural to them. I had to

1544
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: play catch up, and often I'd be the kid at

1545
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 3: the back of the class that reluctantly put up my

1546
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 3: hand to improvise. I let the experts get on with it.

1547
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 3: You know.

1548
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: We must talk about the opening sequence. How long did

1549
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: it take to to get your part down and at

1550
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: what point did you learn that you would be learning

1551
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,480
Speaker 1: some choreography for the opening credit secrets.

1552
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 3: Well after we started filming, so there was no backing out.

1553
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 3: It was like a month in or something. Someone just mentioned. Yeah,

1554
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 3: and so on this day we're shooting the dance sequence.

1555
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: I was like, what what dance sequence? And so that's

1556
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 3: how we found out. And then we only had the

1557
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: wonderful Carissa. I think I had three rehearsals with her,

1558
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: and so a lot of the work you had to

1559
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 3: do at home on your own and just drill it

1560
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 3: and drill it and drill it. So I think from

1561
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 3: I want to say, we had maybe about five or

1562
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 3: six weeks between the first rehearsal and when we actually

1563
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: did it. And we worked with her two or three times,

1564
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 3: and then we were there it was time to shoot it.

1565
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 3: So I drove my wife crazy practicing at home. I

1566
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 3: mean she was just like, what are you doing. I

1567
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 3: was like, I have to get this down. I have

1568
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 3: to get this down because I don't want to look

1569
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: like a right idiot.

1570
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I've never fast forward it. It brings enjoy

1571
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: every single time I watched the show, even when I

1572
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: watch episodes again, you know, for research purposes, I always

1573
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 1: watch it.

1574
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing that.

1575
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely kills me is the complete deadness of everybody's face.

1576
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 3: Was that.

1577
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that you are concentrating on the steps,

1578
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: but was that difficult to just not laugh, not smirk,

1579
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: not anything while you're doing There's.

1580
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 3: A funny story. I don't know if Danielle has been

1581
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: on your show told you about it, But on the

1582
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 3: day we were filming, Danielle hadn't got the memo about

1583
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 3: the straight face and when she came to do her thing,

1584
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 3: and she's such a great mover, she was in it. Man,

1585
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 3: she was beyond saying the shit out of it. And

1586
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: in terms of like Danielle, no, none of that. No,

1587
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 3: it was it was hard. Of course, you're looking around,

1588
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 3: looking at bat and people dancing in front of you

1589
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 3: and all this. It's hard not to want to just grin. Also,

1590
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 3: the music is just so damn good because of playing

1591
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 3: it full blast the light. It was like being on

1592
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 3: an MTV music you know soundstage, you know, in the

1593
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 3: old days of those music videos, and it was exciting.

1594
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 3: So yes, it was a challenge not to get carried away.

1595
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 3: But you know, it's like acting a role. The role

1596
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 3: we were given that day. The direction from the director

1597
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 3: was like straight face, let's get it done. And then

1598
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 3: there were lots of us you'd see in the blue

1599
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 3: per reel and stuff. I don't know if there's one

1600
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 3: just for the dance there's lots of breaking up right after,

1601
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 3: you know.

1602
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Any particular favorite moments from the season, whether they include

1603
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: Murn or not.

1604
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 3: I actually it's funny. I mean if okay, if we

1605
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 3: break that down. My favorite episode is episode eight, although

1606
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm not in it. I just think it was such

1607
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: an epic arrival of that team, you know, and it

1608
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 3: was just beautiful to say, especially with the cameos at

1609
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: the end. Yeah, so that was my favorite episode. Favorite.

1610
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 3: My favorite moment is slightly selfish because it was on

1611
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 3: the day we were filming the dance sequence and you're

1612
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 3: already having the time of your life filming this dance sequence,

1613
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: you know. But in the middle of shooting that dance sequence,

1614
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 3: James came up to me and said, can I have

1615
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 3: a word with you? And I was like, you know,

1616
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 3: and I joked, is this when you tell me you

1617
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 3: actually were looking to hire a chutel agr fun got

1618
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 3: our names mixed up? And he says, no, no, no,

1619
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 3: it's not, it's not. Actually is quite the opposite. I

1620
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 3: want you to play X in Guardians of the Galaxy three.

1621
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 3: So it was on that day we were filming it

1622
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 3: he told me that, and for me, as a fan,

1623
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 3: of comics, as a fan of James Gunn as an

1624
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 3: actor who's like sort of making my way more and

1625
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 3: more into film and TV. For that day to be

1626
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 3: already doing Filmmaker then asked to go on to this

1627
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 3: incredible next project. Was it's selfishly my favorite moment of

1628
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 3: the whole thing in what was a lot of amazing

1629
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 3: moments in Vancouver, you know, I.

1630
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: Mean, that's truly wonderful. I mean, you know, acting any

1631
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of creative life, you can't help it, appreciate it

1632
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: when you start to get work. What drew you to

1633
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: acting as a young person?

1634
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 3: What was it? Well, as a very young person in Nigeria,

1635
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 3: I grew up in Legos, Nigeria. I didn't have a choice.

1636
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 3: We did school plays and they put you in a

1637
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 3: player and you did it. And I happened to be

1638
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 3: good at it, and I did a lot of plays.

1639
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 3: But you know, it's sort of what you did at

1640
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 3: school and then. But I do remember in Nigeria as

1641
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 3: a kid, I was fascinated by film and TV. Fascinating.

1642
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: I just and I would memorize movies, whole films where

1643
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 3: I could quote the people talking. I would just that

1644
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 3: was my my imagination games weren't imaginary friends popping out

1645
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 3: of my imagination. Games were movies and TV shows that

1646
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 3: scene re enacting them, literally playing different roles from them

1647
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 3: on a given day. So I was always drawn to it. So,

1648
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: but I never consciously I didn't know what I wanted

1649
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 3: to be. It wasn't until years later when I was

1650
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: trying to convince my dad. My dad wanted me to

1651
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: go to Oxbridge, Oxford or Cambridge, and I knew that

1652
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 3: if I did that, I would have to make a

1653
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: decision on my career straight away, very early on, and

1654
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready to. I didn't know what I wanted

1655
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 3: to do. So I said, if I go to America,

1656
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 3: at least I have a couple of years in the

1657
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: liberal arts system to mess around with different things and

1658
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 3: decide what I want to be. Somewhere in the back

1659
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 3: of my mind was probably the knowledge that if I'm

1660
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 3: ever going to act, I have to start there. Do

1661
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Maybe? But I hadn't codified it.

1662
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 3: And then so my dad made a bet with me.

1663
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 3: He said, Okay, fine, if you want to go to America,

1664
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 3: the only way you'll go to America is if you

1665
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 3: get into an Ivy League. Then I'll let you go.

1666
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 3: It was the most expensive bet of his life because

1667
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 3: I got into Yale. You know, my dad's first and

1668
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 3: so I got into Yale. I did economics there, but

1669
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 3: while I was there, I started doing drama. And the

1670
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 3: head of the undergraduate program, James de Paul, who to

1671
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 3: this day i'm very grateful for, saw me doing a production.

1672
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 3: And this is where it's weird. I'm sorry, I'm taking

1673
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 3: a long time to explain, because this is where life,

1674
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 3: this is where life meets art. When I was ten,

1675
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 3: we were living in Ethiopia. My parents worked for the

1676
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 3: United Nations, and we went Adis Ababa and we didn't much.

1677
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 3: The TV was awful, you know, so we had this

1678
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 3: black market amongst the expats and diplomats and stuff of

1679
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 3: VHS videos. We would exchange them, pass them around, and

1680
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 3: one day a copy of Beckett is a movie from

1681
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty four, I believe, with Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole,

1682
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 3: The Murder in the Cathedral written by Jean an Ui

1683
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 3: and a. As a ten year old, I'm watching this

1684
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 3: thing set in like the fourteenth century, and I can't

1685
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 3: get over how good these guys are like, I'm watching

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01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 3: Richard and just going that's what I want to be.

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01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 3: But then I forgot about it. That happened when I

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01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 3: was ten. Fast forward to Yale and I'm twenty and

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01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 3: I finally decided I want to start acting and doing

1690
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 3: it more. And one of the first posters I see

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01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 3: my girlfriend. I am walking with my girlfriend at the time,

1692
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 3: and she she goes, oh, look at that post of

1693
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 3: my friends directing that, and I look at it and

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01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 3: it's Beckett. That is the play of that movie. And

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01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 3: of course I know it. I know both roles or whatever.

1696
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 3: I went into it and I got the role of Beckett.

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01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 3: The head of undergraduate drama saw the play because he

1698
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 3: had to go grade it, saw me play Beckett, and

1699
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: offered me a full scholarship to drama school. And that's

1700
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 3: how my acting started because of this movie i'd seen

1701
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 3: when I was ten in Ethiopia that I was so drawn,

1702
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 3: so I watched it over and over again. So that's

1703
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 3: how the acting thing happened. Because when I actually started

1704
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 3: acting as an adult, because there was a whole period

1705
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 3: when I was in high school, I didn't act. I

1706
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 3: did sports. Back then, you either did sports or you

1707
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 3: did arts. You know, I did sport, but when I

1708
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 3: came back to it, I knew for a fact, this

1709
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 3: is exactly what I have to do, you know. And

1710
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 3: that's sort of how that drama school and on was

1711
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 3: what propelled me onwards.

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01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 5: You know.

1713
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 3: I still got my degree in economics, so my dad

1714
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 3: was very proud of me.

1715
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: At what point did he realize that this was your

1716
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: acting was more than a calling, It was legitimately a pathway,

1717
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: something that you could do legitimately for work. When of

1718
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: your parents realized that it was that it could happen.

1719
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: My parents were amazing. I got offered this scholarship to

1720
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 3: drama school second semester junior year. I didn't tell them

1721
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 3: till first semester senior year because I was like, how

1722
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 3: do I tell my parents I want to go to

1723
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 3: drama school? But I finally wrote them a letter, and

1724
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 3: to this day I have the letter they wrote back.

1725
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 3: That was so beautiful. It was them saying, Okay, we're

1726
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 3: surprised at this. We never saw it coming. But our

1727
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 3: role as your parents was to give you the best

1728
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 3: possible opportunities and education. You've done that, You're at Yale,

1729
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 3: you're doing this. Now go live your life as you

1730
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 3: want to live it after that and if this is

1731
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 3: what you choose, we support you and thank God for

1732
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 3: that because so it wasn't that they thought, oh, he

1733
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 3: can make a living. They supported me from the start

1734
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 3: that this is the first time since they've known me

1735
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 3: as a kid. One minute, I wanted to be a firefighter,

1736
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 3: the next a vet, the next, the wrestler, the next

1737
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 3: to whatever like that. This is the first time that

1738
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 3: I had something that I was like, it's not just

1739
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 3: because I can do it, but this is what I

1740
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 3: want to do. And they supported me from the start,

1741
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 3: the believing that I can support myself with it. I

1742
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 3: just believed it would come, you know what I mean.

1743
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 3: There was no point that they thought, oh he's safe now.

1744
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 3: They knew it was a struggle. They knew it was hard.

1745
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 3: They helped when they can thank God for their support.

1746
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 3: I owe so much to them. I got my first

1747
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 3: apartment in London with their help, do you know what

1748
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 3: I mean? After I finally got my first big job

1749
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: and they helped pay for part of the deposit. They

1750
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 3: were just there for me the whole time. But I

1751
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 3: think it's only my mom passed away, you know, in

1752
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine sadly, and I would say, it's

1753
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: it's I wish she could see this stage of it.

1754
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 3: You know, she saw the stage of the RC and

1755
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 3: the National She knew I could do it, and she

1756
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 3: could see things growing. I just really wish she could

1757
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 3: see this stage where she could literally go to the

1758
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 3: movies and watch me. Do you know what I mean?

1759
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 3: But I'm sure she's watching from up top somewhere. My

1760
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 3: dad's still around. My Dad's still around, loving everything. He

1761
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 3: became overnight a movie buff from never remembering my dad

1762
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 3: ever watching a movie to the end without falling asleep. Overnight,

1763
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 3: when I said I wanted to be an actor, suddenly

1764
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 3: my dad's calling me, asking me a James Cagney, Humphrey Bogat.

1765
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 3: Have I seen this film? Kauza Black is his favorite movie.

1766
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 3: He just became a film buff and watches everything. It's crazy,

1767
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 3: you know.

1768
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: I must ask you that season two of The Peacemaker

1769
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: has been confirmed. We hope to see some flashbacks or

1770
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: some kind of comic bookie rejuvenation. But whatever the case,

1771
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: where are you in that process and is there anything

1772
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: at all that you can tell us? And if not,

1773
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: that is also fine.

1774
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 3: I have no idea. It's not that I'm being of course,

1775
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 3: I genuinely don't know what's going on in the mind

1776
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 3: of James Gunn. It could go that serious, could go anywhere,

1777
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 3: And you're right when the world of superheroes and stuff,

1778
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: anything can happen. But I genuinely I'm not being a

1779
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 3: clever anything. I genuinely have no idea right now. I

1780
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 3: mean the world of James Gunn on the other side

1781
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 3: of the pond.

1782
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Not that one.

1783
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we look forward to that. We look forward

1784
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: to Guardians three. Chuck, thank you so much for joining us.

1785
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 1: A really delightful conversation.

1786
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 3: Such a pleasure. Thanks for having me.

1787
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 1: Thanks to Chuck Weedy for joining us. Up next nerd Out.

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01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: In this week's nerd out our recurring segment where you

1789
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: tell us what you love and why, James pitches us

1790
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: on the Amazon Prime series The Legend of Vox Macina,

1791
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: adapted from the first campaign of the popular twitch stream

1792
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: Critical role.

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01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 5: Hi guys, my name is James Carson, and I am

1794
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 5: here to tell you why you need to be watching

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01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 5: The Legend of Vox Machina. Vox Machina is an animated

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01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 5: series for adults for those listeners with children emphasis on

1797
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 5: for adults. Based on the Dungeons and Dragons web series,

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01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 5: Critical Role, led by Dungeon Master Matthew Mercer and a

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01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 5: cast of incredible voice actors. Critical Role is credited with

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01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 5: being one of the things that made D and D

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01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 5: quote unquote cool again and is certainly one of the

1802
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 5: reasons why I've fallen down the rabbit hole and now

1803
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 5: have a dedicated group I play with every Tuesday. I

1804
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 5: need to take a moment to shout out my DM

1805
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,799
Speaker 5: Gary and our party members Alyssa, Maddie, Kyle, Christian, Julie, Ulysses,

1806
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 5: Libby and Charlotte for making a very difficult time in

1807
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 5: all of our lives brighter and helping each other get

1808
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 5: into this wonderful hobby. After the completion of Critical roles

1809
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 5: first campaign, which stars the titular Voxmachin Adventuring Party and

1810
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 5: their adorable bear trinket, the company set up a Kickstarter

1811
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 5: for a single animated special that ballooned into one of

1812
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 5: the largest Crown funding projects of all time. In a

1813
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 5: preliminary two season partnership with Amazon Prime Video, Mercer, along

1814
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 5: with players and animation veterans Sam Regal and Travis Willingham

1815
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 5: were given the opportunity to bring their world to life

1816
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 5: on a scale they could not have imagined. The result

1817
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,879
Speaker 5: was this the Legend of Vox Machina, a powerful, creative

1818
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 5: and surprisingly raunchy retelling of a beloved story that hits

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01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 5: every single mark fans of the series could have hoped for.

1820
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 5: The first episode opens with the grizzly deaths of a

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01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 5: different adventuring party hired to defeat a great evil in

1822
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 5: the realm of Taldori. Meanwhile, the down on their luck

1823
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 5: Box Machina find themselves in a brutally animated tavern brawl,

1824
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 5: except for their bard, Scalen Shorthault, who is in bed

1825
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 5: with the innkeeper's daughter that results in them being thrown

1826
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 5: out on the streets and forced to take the dead

1827
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 5: party's contract as Sovereign Uriel's last ditch effort to save

1828
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 5: his kingdom. While the adult bits are turned up to eleven,

1829
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 5: the series still manages to create a touching and compelling story,

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01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 5: with each member of the party beginning their own personal

1831
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 5: journey in this first season, and the creators do an

1832
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 5: incredible job of showing what it really means to be

1833
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 5: in a D and D party. Not only are your

1834
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 5: friend's characters your lifelines within the game, but it's such

1835
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 5: a comforting thought, especially in times like this, to know

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01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 5: that there are people who you can rely on to

1837
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 5: have your back week after week while you create your

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01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 5: story together. The show also does a fascinating job of

1839
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 5: weaving standard D and D game situations into the story

1840
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 5: without being too obvious about it, whether it be the

1841
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 5: ranger of Exalia's primeval awareness, the druid Kilith using her

1842
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 5: wild shape to transform into animals, Grog, the barbarian and

1843
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 5: during a frenzied rage, or the Cleric Pike running out

1844
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 5: of spell slots and being unable to heal an ally

1845
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 5: at a crucial moment. For all its adult humor, the

1846
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 5: show has so much heart and is not afraid to

1847
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 5: put its characters of vulnerable positions to serve its beautiful narrative.

1848
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 5: You can find hundreds of hours of critical roles. First

1849
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,839
Speaker 5: Too Completed a care Pans on their YouTube channel. Following

1850
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 5: the Party is Voxmachina and the Mighty Nine, while episodes

1851
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 5: of their third campaign currently air every Thursday night on

1852
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 5: their Twitch channel. The Legend of Vox Machina is currently

1853
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 5: in its first season with three episodes releasing every Friday

1854
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 5: on Prime Video, and season two is already in the pipeline.

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01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: Thanks James for submitting. If you want to be featured,

1856
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: send your nerd out pitch to x Ray at crooked

1857
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: dot com. Instructions in the show notes, FYI will be

1858
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: diving into Voxmacin and other video game adaptations, including arcanean

1859
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: Uncharted in an upcoming episode, so go check those out

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01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: when they come out up next the Endgame. We're in

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01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: the Endgame now, and for today's game, we're gonna be

1862
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: picking who our favorite villain turned hero is. Favorite villain

1863
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: turned hero in any kind of story, sci fi, fantasy,

1864
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: comic book story, whatever the case may be. I will

1865
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: go first. There's so many. I mean, Jamie Lanister from

1866
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 1: a Song of Ice and Fire slash Game of Thrones,

1867
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 1: although like obviously in the books, has not fully had

1868
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: the chance to turn into a hero as of yet,

1869
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: but in the in the show had what I think

1870
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: is one of the most miraculous turnarounds from guy who

1871
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: pushes a child out of a window to guy who

1872
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 1: you're like, I want him to hook up with briannatarth

1873
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: which is like an amazing art, ultimate, many many other examples.

1874
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pick and then of course, like you

1875
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: could say Darth Vader, even though like he kind of

1876
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,759
Speaker 1: goes opposite, but I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Magneto.

1877
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 2: I knew it.

1878
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: I think Magneto. Yeah, I had to do it because Magneto,

1879
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 1: for the first twenty years of his existence, did some

1880
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: of the worst shit did anybody could ever do, like

1881
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 1: trying to destroy the world multiple times, like hijacking nuclear

1882
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 1: missiles and trying to blow them up and turn either

1883
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: people into mutants or exterminate the human race and let

1884
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: and like the mutants rise above them. He did a lot,

1885
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot

1886
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: of bad shit. But round about the eighties suddenly he

1887
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: started coming around, decided that you know what, I've done

1888
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot of bad stuff and I want to take

1889
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: responsibility for it. He went on trial at the at

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01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: the fucking un and ever since then, which I want

1891
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: to say, he's like X men about two hundred the

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01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: trial of Magneto, he has been like basically a good guy.

1893
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 1: He's been a good guy for like thirty years now, right.

1894
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: A Holocaust survivor notably, I think that one detail forever

1895
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: shifted the way we think about Magneto, and so I

1896
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,719
Speaker 1: am going to say Magneto.

1897
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's like really the obvious classic choice.

1898
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 2: It's like because it's really interesting as well, because even

1899
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 2: though some places have repositioned him, like the famous eight

1900
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 2: million copy selling X Men number one in the nineties,

1901
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Lee, Chris Clammont, like they want to

1902
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 2: reposition him as the villain, but it doesn't stick because

1903
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 2: we know the trauma, we know the journey of what

1904
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 2: has come. Okay, I'm gonna go for I was gonna

1905
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 2: also pick Magneo because it's like such a classic choice,

1906
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna go for another X Men character, which

1907
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 2: is like I'm gonna go for Rogue because forget like

1908
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 2: early on, like she was like, you know, Mystique in

1909
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 2: the raised my Mystique in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

1910
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,679
Speaker 2: She is you know, contesting and fighting with Carol Danvers,

1911
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 2: which ends up changing her powers and she just has

1912
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 2: this wonderful arc and I love that in her case,

1913
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:44,639
Speaker 2: it's this choice of nature versus nurture, and actually Destiny

1914
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 2: and Mystique who raised her were not bad people. They

1915
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 2: were just in a tough situation, and it's kind of

1916
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 2: that it's a continuation of the Magneto thing, which is

1917
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 2: like who is really the villain and who is really

1918
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 2: the hero in these kind of rebellion situations. And I

1919
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 2: like that as a young person she gets to choose

1920
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 2: her own journey and become a hero. You know, she

1921
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,679
Speaker 2: has one of the best character designs of all time.

1922
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. One of the characters when

1923
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: I was reading comics as a kid and really in

1924
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: love with the X Men that I most connected with

1925
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: was Rogue because this idea she was like amongst the loaners,

1926
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: who the you know, the Mutants are outcasts, their loaners,

1927
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: amongst the superhero community and the and the regular human

1928
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 1: community at large. But even amongst these outcasts, she was

1929
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: like the ultimate outcast. She was dart of mystique former

1930
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: Brotherhood of e Mutants took Carol Danvers powers, so people

1931
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: didn't really trust her and she couldn't even like hold

1932
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: hands with it. She couldn't touch anyone. She was physically

1933
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: isolated from people, which you know, I've said this before

1934
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: and it's an embarrassing thing about me, but I was

1935
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:57,679
Speaker 1: extremely invested in the in the romance between Gambit and Rogue,

1936
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of that was because of this dynam

1937
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: like near and love. She couldn't touch him, they could,

1938
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 1: they could even kiss. So that's a great pic. Love

1939
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: Rogue Love.

1940
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 2: Look with us too, it always comes back to the

1941
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 2: X Men. We can be talking about anything, but it's

1942
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 2: just always the X Man.

1943
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's it for the endgame. Let us know your

1944
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Speaker 1: thoughts and use hashtag XRVN game to give us your pick.

1945
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 1: A big thank you to Chuck Woody, Woujie, and of

1946
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: course Rosie Night for joining us on X ray Vision.

1947
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 1: Rosie Plugs, Plugs, Plugs. Where can people find you?

1948
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram, Rosie Marx. You can

1949
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 2: find me on Letterbox, the same name, where I'm putting

1950
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 2: out all my bad films that I watch and some

1951
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 2: good films, but lots of bad films. Yeah, that's I'm

1952
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 2: going to be writing a ton about the Batman. I

1953
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 2: think it's just been announced that Nedest He's going to

1954
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 2: have like a big Batman themed week where we're going

1955
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 2: to be writing about all kinds of stuff. And I've

1956
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 2: got fun of there also, just like I love how

1957
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 2: much everyone here loves comics. So I read this brilliant

1958
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,679
Speaker 2: comic from this wonderful press that I love called Black

1959
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 2: Josey Press, which is it's like a collection of erotic

1960
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 2: indie comics. Buy this wonderful cartoonist called Trinidad Escobar. It's

1961
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,600
Speaker 2: called Arrive in My Hands. So that's kind of like

1962
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:20,600
Speaker 2: my personal plug because that comic has just brought me

1963
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 2: so much joy. And yeah, just appreciate everyone being here

1964
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 2: and obviously here you can always hear us here talking

1965
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 2: about the X Men.

1966
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Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about what we explore

1967
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: it each week's episode, check out our listener's guide to

1968
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: all things X ray Vision in the show notes or

1969
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: on our website. Catch you the next episode on March fourth,

1970
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: and again. Sendronurn out submissions to x ray at cropidduft

1971
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1972
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: those five star ratings wherever you get your podcasts. Thank

1973
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 1: you so much, we love it. X ray Vision is

1974
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 1: a Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris

1975
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,799
Speaker 1: Lord and Saul Rumin. It is executive produced by myself

1976
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:05,799
Speaker 1: and Sandy Gerard, Caroline Ruston and Carlton Gillespie. Are consulting producers,

1977
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Speaker 1: and our editing and sound design is by Fascilla's Phatopoulos.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Brian Vasquez for our theme music, Goodbye