Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
Speaker 1: are going to have the latest updates on the first
Speaker 1: couple of days of the Ditty trial and some new
Speaker 1: information that was released about Brian Koberger such a freaking creep.
Speaker 1: We will also get into an influencer who had sex
Speaker 1: selective IVF and she was surprised by our audience's reaction
Speaker 1: to that. We have a few freak accidents to talk about,
Speaker 1: involving kangaroos, spiders, and hot air balloons. A disgusting, seriously
Speaker 1: discussing case of child abuse that's local to us. Shocker.
Speaker 1: It's like right in the town that I went to
Speaker 1: college and uh middle school and my mother. This is
Speaker 1: a terrible story about a mother who is forced to
Speaker 1: keep her dead daughter alive because she was pregnant at
Speaker 1: the time she died, and because of these crazy abortion laws,
Speaker 1: she is not able to take her daughter off of
Speaker 1: life support. All that and more, There is just a
Speaker 1: lot of news going on this week, so bear with us.
Speaker 1: We're trying to cover the most important things, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot, so let's get started. Like, let's just do
Speaker 1: updates with Diddy because I mean, by next week there's
Speaker 1: just gonna be so much more.
Speaker 2: So keep you guys up to date. The trials underway.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Jerry's selection took a little longer
Speaker 2: than they were anticipating. And we had reported that last
Speaker 2: week people were paying the line holders to secure their
Speaker 2: place in line. But the trial is fully underway now.
Speaker 2: Cassie's been testifying her on the stand all week, and
Speaker 2: she's pregnant, and I'm sure this is horrible for her
Speaker 2: to have to relive these like terrible years of her
Speaker 2: life while she's also pregnant and going through all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, did you know that Diddy didn't want her to
Speaker 1: enter the courtroom in front of the jury being pregnant
Speaker 1: because they didn't want her to have them to have
Speaker 1: sympathy for her because she's like she's thirty eight weeks
Speaker 1: or something. She's like wobbling. I mean, it's actually crazy
Speaker 1: because she very may very well go into labor and
Speaker 1: not be even to finish. I mean, she's at the
Speaker 1: very end.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure she doesn't want to fucking be there either,
Speaker 2: Like think about that she does.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she doesn't, but at the same time, like
Speaker 1: you do because you're you want justice, so sometimes you
Speaker 1: go through a harder thing, but continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, with this, we're seeing there's no
Speaker 2: cameras in the courtroom, so it's hard to know exactly
Speaker 2: what's going on because, like court TV is an advertiser
Speaker 2: isn't playing it all day long, so we have to
Speaker 2: rely on reporters. Luckily, we are friends with Lauren who's
Speaker 2: been in the courtroom and been reporting it. I thought
Speaker 2: it was crazy. She said, there's so much talk of
Speaker 2: the baby oil, like it's getting ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's it's a significant part of the
Speaker 1: case for those of you who don't know when when
Speaker 1: they were arresting Diddy in the beginning of this, he
Speaker 1: had an insane amount of like over a thousand bottles
Speaker 1: of baby oil, like in bulk, and that's just so weird.
Speaker 1: Nobody would ever have that in their house for any reason.
Speaker 1: So it is relevant to the case, I guess. But
Speaker 1: of course, the the the prosecution is trying to say
Speaker 1: that that Cassie's a victim, but the defense is trying
Speaker 1: to say that she although this is a very alternative lifestyle,
Speaker 1: she was in on it. So I'm curious what's gonna
Speaker 1: that's gonna start today, right, They're gonna be she's gonna
Speaker 1: be examined by the defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I saw an interesting post going around on
Speaker 2: Instagram yesterday that like all these people are just commenting
Speaker 2: like why didn't she leave when there's literally a video
Speaker 2: circulating of her trying to leave and getting dried back
Speaker 2: and be in in the hallway. Like, I just don't
Speaker 2: even know what people are thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just like people who don't even have
Speaker 1: means any kind of people aren't with famous people anything
Speaker 1: or an abusive situation, and they don't leave.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: The weirdest part of this case, for I mean, there's
Speaker 1: lots of weird to this case, but one of the
Speaker 1: weirdest parts of this case is that she's going into
Speaker 1: explicit detail of the sexual acts that she was doing
Speaker 1: with Diddy and these male escorts and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and like his family's there. Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: His teenage children are in the room, and I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but like as like, where is their mother protecting them
Speaker 2: from this? You know, It's it's really like, I understand
Speaker 2: you want to be there and support your dad. But
Speaker 2: this is just something that I think children should not
Speaker 2: be privy to, even if they're adults. You want to
Speaker 2: hear somebody give a play by play of how they
Speaker 2: had sex with your dad in court and how an
Speaker 2: escort had peed in his in his significant other's mouth
Speaker 2: at that time. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she in her testimony, she said that she
Speaker 1: so obviously she was taking drugs to get through all
Speaker 1: of these crazy things that he wanted her to do.
Speaker 1: And it started off with alcohol and then eventually it
Speaker 1: got to her taking more serious drugs like opioids, and
Speaker 1: she was taking ketamine and stuff. She said she was
Speaker 1: taking these drugs so she could disassociate, which you would
Speaker 1: want to because another crazy thing that came out was
Speaker 1: that these freak offs what they're called, were going on
Speaker 1: four days in a row, Like four days. Just think
Speaker 1: about four days in your life of all the stuff
Speaker 1: you do and spending time with your boyfriend, but also
Speaker 1: just like complete strangers and the only thing you're doing
Speaker 1: is like waking up and having sex and then like
Speaker 1: going to sleep and staying in hotel rooms. It's so
Speaker 1: freaking bizarre. It's just it's really weird. But so as
Speaker 1: a result of taking opioids and things like that, not
Speaker 1: only did she get an addiction that she had to
Speaker 1: go to rehab for, but she had gi problems because
Speaker 1: we know that that causes constipation. She said she had
Speaker 1: mouth ulcers all the time, which is like, can happen
Speaker 1: from repeated trauma to the mouth, like oral sex all
Speaker 1: the time, people peeing in your mouth obviously, but also
Speaker 1: just being under emotional stress can cause you to get
Speaker 1: ulcerations in your mouth too. She was saying that she
Speaker 1: had UTIs all the time, which obviously, like that would
Speaker 1: happen if a woman is having sex all the time
Speaker 1: and they're never talking about anything being done in a
Speaker 1: clean fashion with like condoms or anything, so sexually transmitted
Speaker 1: infections are always a risk as well. Like it's just
Speaker 1: so crazy to hear that people actually live like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so now a new suit is coming forward where
Speaker 1: this woman is saying that he raped her in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, and she's saying that the only silver
Speaker 1: lining of the whole thing was that his penis apparently
Speaker 1: was the size of a tutsi roll, so she at
Speaker 1: least wasn't worried about it hurting, but it doesn't make
Speaker 1: it any less traumatic that you were assaulted. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be I I'm like actually really interested to
Speaker 1: see because I know a whole bunch of photos just
Speaker 1: got released of like some of these parties and the
Speaker 1: people there, and like all of these people are okay
Speaker 1: with this. It's so weird, and there must be some
Speaker 1: of them that are like shit in their pants that
Speaker 1: this is gonna be really bad for them because they
Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff that they're going to pull
Speaker 1: out right now. So it's really interesting to me honestly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, but let's let's get on too, so we'll
Speaker 1: keep you guys updated as more stuff comes on. But
Speaker 1: we could talk about this all day, and there's like
Speaker 1: other things to get to. So let's talk about Coberger
Speaker 1: because I was scrolling through acts the other night and
Speaker 1: just so happened to come across this newest picture that
Speaker 1: got released with the date line show that this was
Speaker 1: that was this weekend. You also could listen to the
Speaker 1: dateline in a podcast form. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys know that, so you don't have to sit there
Speaker 1: and watch the show and it talks about the latest,
Speaker 1: and of course they get the latest information and interviews
Speaker 1: with people and some new information came out. So I
Speaker 1: had said this tim and to our friend Lauren Conlin
Speaker 1: and just been like, dude, this guy like I that
Speaker 1: rarely happens to me. That I look at a person
Speaker 1: that has that has killed people or is convicted or
Speaker 1: accused of killing people, and been like scared that I
Speaker 1: don't even want to look at the picture because the
Speaker 1: guy looks so scary.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I think you've established that episodes.
Speaker 1: It's like, do you not get that vibe when you
Speaker 1: look at his picture?
Speaker 2: Like, of course I do. He's scary as shit, but like.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know why it affects me so much,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you, when he first got arrested, it's scared.
Speaker 1: He scared me too. There's just like when you look
Speaker 1: at him, you're like, I don't want to say he's guilty,
Speaker 1: but like, come on.
Speaker 2: Well it just gets worse too, because that picture came
Speaker 2: out of him giving the thumbs up, which like that
Speaker 2: what was it the morning after the murders, which was
Speaker 2: so scary, and then this new picture has come out
Speaker 2: of him wearing a black hoodie. That's also very scary.
Speaker 2: These crazy Google searches have come out. I mean, we
Speaker 2: know this is all gonna come out. It's not like
Speaker 2: this guy I just allegedly murdered these four people. And
Speaker 2: then there's no other prior history of weird Google searches
Speaker 2: or pictures on his phone. The weirdest pictures on his
Speaker 2: phone were there were dozens of photos of University of
Speaker 2: Idaho and Washington State female students wearing bathing suits. Some
Speaker 2: of these people in the pictures were friends with the victims.
Speaker 2: He also went, he probably got.
Speaker 1: All of them off of social media, all of them,
Speaker 1: and then he went he got invited to this pool
Speaker 1: party in Moscow a couple months before the murders and
Speaker 1: then made dozens of trips there afterward. And then of
Speaker 1: course his Google history was videos of Ted Bundy. He
Speaker 1: was looking at Britney Spears song Criminal, I don't know which.
Speaker 1: I was looking at the lyrics to that and it's
Speaker 1: written and Mama, I'm in love with a criminal?
Speaker 2: Is it? Like?
Speaker 1: Do you think that he's like in love with Ted
Speaker 1: Bundy or something like? What is that about?
Speaker 2: I guess I never even considered that. Well, so as
Speaker 2: like an extreme infatuation with him. So one of the
Speaker 2: videos that he he had on his phone, I guess
Speaker 2: or his computer of Ted Bundy, the photo that they
Speaker 2: found of him, the one that I'm saying, like he
Speaker 2: looks the most creepy yet where he's wearing a black hoodie.
Speaker 2: Apparently that's exactly how Ted Bundy looked in that video,
Speaker 2: like he was trying to look like him, which is
Speaker 2: so weird. Oh, he was also looking up drugged or
Speaker 2: sleeping porn. That's disturbing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So and that brings into a lot of question
Speaker 1: of what his intentions were if he was in fact
Speaker 1: the one that went in there, which all signs are
Speaker 1: pointing to hell yes at this point. So did you
Speaker 1: also see in that episode that Ethan Chapin, So he
Speaker 1: was one of the boyfriends that just so happened to
Speaker 1: be there. Like I think that he honestly, like my
Speaker 1: opinion is is that he just walked in to do
Speaker 1: a certain thing and like didn't expect there to be
Speaker 1: other people around. What I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Clearly poorly planned or he just I mean, as far
Speaker 2: as we know, he's never done anything like this before.
Speaker 2: So if this is really the first act he's committing.
Speaker 2: He clearly had a problem and it didn't go through
Speaker 2: exactly as he planned.
Speaker 1: So so Ethan Chapin apparently had carvings on his legs,
Speaker 1: which like of what they didn't say. They just said
Speaker 1: that his legs appeared to be carved. And I think
Speaker 1: that we've heard this before of other people saying that
Speaker 1: there was like gouging wounds caused by the knife. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear a little bit more about how unusual
Speaker 1: and bloody this crime scene was. I believe that he
Speaker 1: likely now that you're seeing that he was like looking
Speaker 1: up porn and stuff for drugged and sleeping, like maybe
Speaker 1: that was some kind of fantasy that he was trying
Speaker 1: to take out on one of the girls, and just
Speaker 1: he thought he was going to commit this perfect crime
Speaker 1: and honestly maybe didn't EXPERI he didn't expect to encounter
Speaker 1: other people there and got into some kind of a
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to think a bit like he's
Speaker 1: stabbing for people. There had to be some kind of
Speaker 1: a struggle at some point with when people, when one
Speaker 1: of them realized what was going on, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: when he dropped the knife sheath, And I just can't
Speaker 1: help but think how lucky that is in some situation,
Speaker 1: just because if he didn't drop that, I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure where we would be with this investigation right now.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think as far as we know, this
Speaker 2: was the first crime he's committed, and he just was
Speaker 2: really unprepared. He was clearly not prepared for multiple people
Speaker 2: to be in the house. I think with this information
Speaker 2: of the porn, you could say he was trying to
Speaker 2: sneak in the middle of the night to see I
Speaker 2: don't know, do you think he was possibly trying to
Speaker 2: drug one of them and then rape one of them
Speaker 2: or I don't really know what the motive was, cause
Speaker 2: we're going to find out during the trial.
Speaker 1: I guess if the knife sheaf was never found, then
Speaker 1: all this other stuff, he willn't even be a suspect
Speaker 1: at this I don't know, and I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: that douring court, like how else they would have gotten
Speaker 1: to him. I know that there was the white Hondai
Speaker 1: a Lantra, but there were so many people that had
Speaker 1: those registered in order to put those two together. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that that ever would have happened. So I
Speaker 1: think that maybe he wasn't as clean with his search history.
Speaker 1: And there's also something else that came out to which
Speaker 1: was apparently after the murders, he like went on Amazon
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter and tried to order another one of those
Speaker 1: knives and put it in the cart. But then this
Speaker 1: is like so cool how they're able to do this
Speaker 1: forensic investigation through the through our digital footprint, and so
Speaker 1: they were able to see that he looked up the
Speaker 1: same exact knife that was used in the murder, put
Speaker 1: it in his cart, and then never checked out and
Speaker 1: xed out of the box. Like that's how specific they
Speaker 1: could get with the Amazon history. So what would be
Speaker 1: the chance that these four students got murdered with this
Speaker 1: k bar knife, this marine grade, military grade knife, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that same exact day, the
Speaker 1: guy who's the suspect was looking up the same as
Speaker 1: act knife on Amazon. I really don't think people realize
Speaker 1: how every single action you do is tracked online via text,
Speaker 1: email everything. I mean, I'm going to get into this one.
Speaker 2: We cover Lori Valu Part three next week, because I
Speaker 2: was sending you some of their like horrific sexting whatever,
Speaker 2: but like you know, there was text between Laurie and
Speaker 2: her brother where he set up the Wi Fi and
Speaker 2: the password was too many kids. I mean, come on, oh, are.
Speaker 1: People doing well? We're going to talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit later in this episode two of us creeping
Speaker 1: through people's Facebook accounts.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to this next story. So
Speaker 2: this Australian influencer, Caitlin Bailey, she's facing a lot of
Speaker 2: backlash after going to the United States first sex selective IVF.
Speaker 1: So apparently, when you get IVF, you can do what's
Speaker 1: called preimplantation genetic selection, which is when they are able
Speaker 1: before they implant the embryos, they're able to determine ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of the time if you decide that you
Speaker 1: want to have a male or a female. And this
Speaker 1: is an additional cost on top of IVF, which is
Speaker 1: already expensive. But like, if you're paying forty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for it, what's another five thousand dollars right, like at
Speaker 1: that point. But in Australia, this is is not legal.
Speaker 1: They banned it, and I don't know with good reason.
Speaker 1: I feel they say that since two thousand and four
Speaker 1: it's been banned. It was necessary to prevent sex imbalances, sexism,
Speaker 1: discriminatory stereotypes, and they said legitimizing sex selection is contrary
Speaker 1: to our societal values and around diversity, equality and the
Speaker 1: intrinsic worth of each individual and ethical concerns that related
Speaker 1: to children being treated as products rather than just being
Speaker 1: born for who they are and unconventionally loved.
Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous to travel to another country for it,
Speaker 2: but I do agree. Like I noticed the article was
Speaker 2: saying she spent forty five thousand dollars. Well, that's what
Speaker 2: it costs if you if your health insurance doesn't cover it,
Speaker 2: So that's.
Speaker 1: Not like does it not cost anything in Australia.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like that in the United States,
Speaker 2: that is what one IVF cycle costs. So like, I
Speaker 2: don't know why that's such a shocking number.
Speaker 1: So I do think shocking. I guess if you get
Speaker 1: it for free in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do agree in this case it's kind
Speaker 2: of nuts to travel for it. But I think if
Speaker 2: you were fully getting it done in a country where
Speaker 2: the sex selection was allowed, and it's simply a matter
Speaker 2: of one more test and you really do want a
Speaker 2: gender like whatever, it's your choice. I'm really not. We've before,
Speaker 2: we've reported on like people trying to get like specific
Speaker 2: eye colors or hair color, like that is ridiculous and
Speaker 2: you're just messing with too much. But if it's simply.
Speaker 1: We are with sex, you are with sex too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I listen, I don't I personally like it. To me,
Speaker 1: it's irrelevant because not that many people in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things get IVF, So even if every single
Speaker 1: person picked their gender, it's not going to really skew
Speaker 1: like the balance of society that much. But I guess
Speaker 1: as as it increases, I guess there's a possibility of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could just you could go as far
Speaker 1: as saying that with IVF in general, that you're that
Speaker 1: you're doing something that you know, like there's there's no
Speaker 1: line to be crossed, and if people want to do it,
Speaker 1: like whatever, I don't give a shit. Honestly. The craziest
Speaker 1: part of this story to me is that this woman
Speaker 1: is on her fourth pregnancy and she's a single mom
Speaker 1: by choice, so she's going to have four kids that
Speaker 1: are really little by herself. I think that's the craziest
Speaker 1: part of this entire story to me. Honestly, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2: I see it as like IVF is already an unnatural process.
Speaker 2: So if it's a matter of Walmart test, Like really,
Speaker 2: who cares? I mean, for me, I think you should
Speaker 2: be happy with just getting a healthy baby. Can we
Speaker 2: just talk about, like what what is this? I think
Speaker 2: she's like a little out of her mind to want
Speaker 2: to have four kids to raise by herself.
Speaker 1: But that's just me.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't know people like doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they don't can do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I really just don't understand it, Like, please explain that
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, I know somebody that did that
Speaker 2: because she was never in a good relationship and she
Speaker 2: was like, honestly, like I want a kid really bad,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to have to go through another
Speaker 2: bad relationship and split custody of her. Oh I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. If you choose to be
Speaker 1: a parent as a single parent, I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: four kids, Like, I think you're nuts if you have
Speaker 1: four kids, if you have like a really involved husband
Speaker 1: or wife, Like I just think that it's nuts to
Speaker 1: have four little kids like that. She just is she's
Speaker 1: a very special person. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm taking away from the story
Speaker 2: is I do agree it was insane to travel to
Speaker 2: get this done. And I think if you're going through
Speaker 2: IVF you should just be happy getting a healthy baby
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. But like, really, if
Speaker 2: it's one more test away and like whatever, you could
Speaker 2: do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: So she posted on our social media and like people,
Speaker 1: I think that she was a little taken aback by
Speaker 1: people blast in or for it.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, this is when you share your life. This
Speaker 2: is what happens. We know there's trolls on the Internet,
Speaker 2: and we know some people are going to be awesome
Speaker 2: and some people are going to be assholes. So if
Speaker 2: you decide to share something personal, you need to expect
Speaker 2: you're not going to get their spons you're always looking
Speaker 2: for and that's just the state of the Internet. It's
Speaker 2: really nothing to do with what she did with iv
Speaker 2: if it's how everybody is with everything. This episode is
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Speaker 1: So we told you that we've been doing this three
Speaker 1: part high profile death dis section on Laurie Vallo and
Speaker 1: Chad Day bell. This one in particular that we posted
Speaker 1: this week has the autopsies of four of the main victims.
Speaker 1: I should say in this case. We also really get
Speaker 1: into in this particular post about the death investigation in
Speaker 1: this country and how they really could have got away
Speaker 1: with murder if they didn't get greedy, honestly, which is
Speaker 1: disturbing because then you think, well, like, who else is
Speaker 1: getting away with this that we don't even know about?
Speaker 1: Yesterday we have anue what is it? Wednesday? I told
Speaker 1: you guys that I post four photos and three of
Speaker 1: the photos show different kinds of wounds and injuries and
Speaker 1: you have to decide what caused it. And then one
Speaker 1: of them is a special effects makeup and is fake.
Speaker 1: And some of the special effects makeup are so good
Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell if they're fake or not.
Speaker 1: So those people get like mad respect from me, honestly,
Speaker 1: especially because they don't work in this field. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's really cool that they that they know how to
Speaker 1: make an injury look so real. We also have a
Speaker 1: case coming up this weekend about a person who had
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Speaker 1: All right, so this week we have a couple freak accents.
Speaker 1: There was actually a ton of freak accidents, but we
Speaker 1: picked a couple that stand out the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first, we have this guy who is in his
Speaker 2: fifties who is killed well sparring with a kangaroo at
Speaker 2: a petting zoo in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was his brother's petting zoo, and he
Speaker 1: was known for going in there and like trying to
Speaker 1: fight the kangaroo, like thinking that that was funny, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that kangaroo took out a
Speaker 1: cann of whoop ass and killed this dude. Like they
Speaker 1: have really they have claws, they can make deep cuts,
Speaker 1: they have powerful kicks, and the guy had evidence of
Speaker 1: blunt trauma all over his body. So this thing like
Speaker 1: kicked this guy's ass. And kangaroos don't usually attack people
Speaker 1: unless they feel threatened, and there's just absolutely no reason
Speaker 1: a person should be like like tormenting an animal like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was of course watching some videos of
Speaker 2: kangaroo attacks and they stand up when they're fighting and
Speaker 2: they can be anywhere on average from five to six
Speaker 2: feet tall, or some have been recorded as being eight
Speaker 2: feet tall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like getting in a fight with a strong dude,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna get beat up any any
Speaker 1: did because the kicks are so bad. Yeah, they're They're
Speaker 1: definitely more powerful. So I mean, what's the saying play
Speaker 1: stupid games, win stupid prizes?
Speaker 2: Like, yes, a lot of people in the gross room
Speaker 2: lately have been saying like there should just be a
Speaker 2: category called like fuck around find out.
Speaker 1: That literally, like that's that's what happened here. This next
Speaker 1: one didn't really cause much injury, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny story that's very relatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Ohio, this woman crashed her card trying to
Speaker 2: get a spider and she ended up breaking her wrist.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I.
Speaker 1: How many times does that happen? Like mine is like spiders,
Speaker 1: I don't care about Mine's like a mosquito, Like I
Speaker 1: just do not want to get bit by a mosquito.
Speaker 1: And if I see one, I'm like freaking out so bad.
Speaker 1: And you definitely could see how this could happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spiders, I'm not necessarily bothered by In the car
Speaker 2: but flying bugs for sure, because I'm like, I just
Speaker 2: don't want to touch in my face. I mean, thankfully
Speaker 2: I've never had like a be trapped in the car
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I feel like I would crash
Speaker 2: if there is a bee in the car.
Speaker 1: But I really, I really rather get sung by bait
Speaker 1: than a mosquito. I know that that sounds so ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but like, I rather feel pain than that annoying itch.
Speaker 1: It's just I hate that feeling so bad.
Speaker 2: There's no itch worse than the noseums that stays on
Speaker 2: me for like three weeks, so unbearable. Oh they are
Speaker 2: those ones in Florida that like bite your ankles or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they hit my ankles and my wrists and it's
Speaker 2: so unbearable, Like I can't even sleep. I'm putting the
Speaker 2: cream all over. It's not doing anything. It's horrible. Like
Speaker 2: that's a personal form of torture for.
Speaker 1: Me, it it is, That's what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't I would rather feel pain than itch any day.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Like, remember when I had that polymorphic
Speaker 1: light eruption rash from the sun that I get in
Speaker 1: the summer. I get around like this time of year
Speaker 1: in the summer with the first bright sunlight. It's like
Speaker 1: torture to be itchy and not being especially if you
Speaker 1: take like banadoline and creams and stuff and it doesn't
Speaker 1: make it go away. It's like absolute torture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, lots of people and naked and afraid
Speaker 2: just end up quitting because the bugs are so bad.
Speaker 1: Like those no sam bugs. They I wonder if you
Speaker 1: just have an allergy to them or something because it
Speaker 1: because it does everyone get that reaction to them. There's
Speaker 1: no way because a lot of people. I feel like
Speaker 1: people wouldn't live there and stuff if it was like that.
Speaker 2: It must not affect everybody. I mean, it doesn't affect
Speaker 2: when we go down there, Like Ricky doesn't have a problem, right,
Speaker 2: but like it ruins my life for three weeks. And
Speaker 2: that's like I'm active about putting the bugspray and whatever
Speaker 2: on and it just doesn't matter. And it's torturous. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we talked about back in January of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four a hot air balloon tragedy that killed four people,
Speaker 1: and now we have another one this week that came
Speaker 1: with a viral video that just looks nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, This happened at some hot air balloon festival in Mexico.
Speaker 2: But basically it burst into flames right before it took off,
Speaker 2: and then it seems like there was three people on
Speaker 2: it initially and the operator was able to get two
Speaker 2: people off, but he wasn't able to get off before
Speaker 2: it lifted into the air, and then he ended up
Speaker 2: jumping to his death.
Speaker 1: It's on fire, Like, it's just so crazy to see that.
Speaker 1: So that's your choice. Either you could be up there
Speaker 1: and burn to death or try to jump and get
Speaker 1: away from it and hope you survive. Like that's your
Speaker 1: choice right there. No, it's horrible. It's just sad to
Speaker 1: be on the ground and watch a human suffering like
Speaker 1: that when you have absolutely no way of helping them
Speaker 1: and knowing that they're just trying to make some split
Speaker 1: second choice. I mean, what's the choice, Like, you just
Speaker 1: know you're gonna die either way. I think he made
Speaker 1: the right one. At least he would have had a
Speaker 1: chance to survive. And like, who wants to burn to death?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: One? Right?
Speaker 2: No, but yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean nobody wants to fall to death either, But
Speaker 1: I just think burning to death would just be even
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like it's one of the
Speaker 1: worst things ever.
Speaker 2: But how are you possibly getting rescued from that? It's
Speaker 2: such a.
Speaker 1: We're not You're not like listen. I hate those things.
Speaker 1: I think they're the coolest looking things ever. I really.
Speaker 1: We saw some of them on our trip actually while
Speaker 1: we were driving, and I think they're so beautiful, Like
Speaker 1: they're just the coolest looking things on the world. I
Speaker 1: would just never ever go on one. I think they're
Speaker 1: you're just like asking for it. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess the zoo doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, But the zoo was attached to the ground. There
Speaker 1: was like nothing, there was nothing like dangerous about it.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like a low grade ride.
Speaker 2: I was like, if that rope snaps, that's.
Speaker 1: It for Oh stop it. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it like could function if the rope snapped. I think
Speaker 1: it was. It was like a ride at like the
Speaker 1: little kids go on at the zoo.
Speaker 2: Really, I think things operated in like ten years.
Speaker 1: I don't it's it's not there, no, because you used
Speaker 1: to see it, like when you were driving on seventy six,
Speaker 1: you would see it up in the air. But now
Speaker 1: you don't see it anymore.
Speaker 2: Another I didn't car crash? Has six seen the balloon ride?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, so this case that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about next is local to us. This
Speaker 1: just happened like a day or two ago, so there's
Speaker 1: not a ton of information. But the advantage of these
Speaker 1: people not being high profile is that sometimes people have
Speaker 1: Facebook accounts and they get arrested and their Facebook accounts
Speaker 1: don't get scrubbed, so people like Maria and I could
Speaker 1: go through and creep on them and find out all
Speaker 1: this information about them before law enforcement even comes in
Speaker 1: and gets rid of their social media or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it makes it even more disturbing to learn about these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically what happened last week was that this
Speaker 2: teenager escaped her house with the help of a neighbor
Speaker 2: and told police that she had been abused since twenty
Speaker 2: and eighteen by I guess her mom and her stepfather,
Speaker 2: because I mean both of them had to be in
Speaker 2: on it because they're both living in the house. But
Speaker 2: the abuse was since she was in sixth grade, so
Speaker 2: the mother ended up removing her from school and made
Speaker 2: her live in a dog create for a year. And
Speaker 2: would only let her out occasionally. Then she was forced
Speaker 2: to live in a bathroom and chained up, and then
Speaker 2: eventually they moved her into an empty room with an
Speaker 2: alarm system that would let them know if she moved
Speaker 2: or got out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, when obviously she went to the neighbor, police
Speaker 1: shows up at the house and they find that this
Speaker 1: does indeed to be true, like they see all evidence
Speaker 1: of what the daughter was telling them, and then they
Speaker 1: found another kid in there that was thirteen years old
Speaker 1: who was also being homeschooled. So that's when the plot thickens,
Speaker 1: because when we start looking at these two social media accounts,
Speaker 1: you're just like, you don't even understand, like how this
Speaker 1: is going on and how this happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was talking to my friend Rachel about
Speaker 2: it this morning because she lives in that area and
Speaker 2: she grew up around there, and she sent me one
Speaker 2: of the guys or the stepfather's Facebook page, and I
Speaker 2: start looking through it and it just starts getting even
Speaker 2: more confusing. It seems like these people have been together
Speaker 2: for at least ten years, maybe more. These two children,
Speaker 2: the eighteen year old who escaped and the thirteen year
Speaker 2: old who has removed from the home, were from a
Speaker 2: previous relationship. Then the two of them had twins in
Speaker 2: seemingly twenty nineteen, So where were the twins when they
Speaker 2: were going through the house. I'm really confused about that.
Speaker 2: And then there was just all these really bizarre posts
Speaker 2: about the children and their family, and they had all
Speaker 2: these dogs, and then the mom's Facebook page said rip
Speaker 2: Juliana's twelve four, fifteen twelve, twenty eight nineteen, and we're like,
Speaker 2: was this another child? Was it a dog? Like? What
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 1: So on his Facebook account he hasn't posted for a
Speaker 1: while since twenty and twenty one, it looks like so
Speaker 1: there's that. But on his Facebook account back in twenty
Speaker 1: and twenty, there's lots of posts in a row that
Speaker 1: say things like should a husband defend his wife against
Speaker 1: insults from his family? This other one says this was
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty, hating on me because my wife is
Speaker 1: white and has two kids from a previous relationship. So
Speaker 1: he's black and the wife is white, making me choose
Speaker 1: between you and them. They are my only family now
Speaker 1: and you will never see us again. You know who
Speaker 1: you are. Stop trying to talk to me. No means no,
Speaker 1: it took me years to see how racist you are,
Speaker 1: and now I'm free of your negativity. Peace out. So
Speaker 1: clearly there was an issue with his family and the
Speaker 1: new wife and the kids and all that stuff. But
Speaker 1: this was in twenty twenty, and this child is saying
Speaker 1: that she was held started being held two years prior
Speaker 1: to this post was even made. As Maria said, in
Speaker 1: twenty and nineteen, he made a post saying that his
Speaker 1: wife had twin daughters and said how great she was.
Speaker 1: She takes care of all four kids and the house
Speaker 1: and dogs. So, like we were saying there was two
Speaker 1: kids found, where are these other two kids that are
Speaker 1: about five or six years old at this point, right, like,
Speaker 1: where are they? Didn't hear anything about that in the news,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like he has a relationship with
Speaker 1: his family, so like, where are these kids? We have
Speaker 1: no idea right now. So in January twenty and twenty one,
Speaker 1: he posted another ultrasound picture which had Brenda Moseley written
Speaker 1: on the film, and it looks like it's a singleton pregnancy,
Speaker 1: so there's only one baby there, so like, what ultrasound
Speaker 1: is that? And where is that kid? Like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: so so then you go on Brenda's Facebook page, which
Speaker 1: looks like she created in two thousand and nine, but
Speaker 1: she only has posts going back to twenty and twenty three. Well,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes just based on your settings, that's why
Speaker 1: not all of them are there. Like I think if
Speaker 1: you were friends with her, all of her stuff would appear,
Speaker 1: but publicly only this five peers, so there might be
Speaker 1: some in between, but we just can't see them. So
Speaker 1: it for whatever I could see all the way back
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three, there is absolutely no evidence that
Speaker 1: she has children. All I see is her like posting
Speaker 1: that she's she does dog shows with this great day
Speaker 1: and that she has right. She just posted on May tenth,
Speaker 1: which was only five days ago, she posted a picture
Speaker 1: on her Facebook of her dog named jelly Roll, who
Speaker 1: won this Best and Show award at the Lancaster Kennel Club.
Speaker 1: Like fifty comments underneath from people like oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're so proud of you, congrats, this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. And she's wearing the dress in that
Speaker 1: picture that she's wearing in her mugshot. She looks like
Speaker 1: a totally like no, I hate to say this, but
Speaker 1: she just looks like a normal lady.
Speaker 2: That's like, so she posted that on May tenth, because
Speaker 2: the kid escaped on May eighth. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it looks like it was posted on May tenth. This
Speaker 2: just doesn't make any sense. I mean when you look
Speaker 2: at their Facebook page, beyond their like posts and stuff, like,
Speaker 2: they look like letely normal people. Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: Works for sept It. He's a he's an engineer for
Speaker 1: the train like he so he works with a bunch
Speaker 1: of people that knows him too. Which is which question?
Speaker 1: Like this is what I question? Like you know all
Speaker 1: these people that they do these dog shows, they have
Speaker 1: all these people in their life that know them, and
Speaker 1: like nobody is questioning where their children are. It's just
Speaker 1: it's so outrageous to me, like four kids, Like where
Speaker 1: are four kids? I don't understand? And these this guy's
Speaker 1: going to work at Accepta every day and coming home
Speaker 1: and just like treating a child like in a dog
Speaker 1: cage and sexually abusing them and stuff I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Like we're just talking about this now because we know
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing at this point, but like, well we'll keep
Speaker 1: you updated. It's just like looking through the Facebook and stuff.
Speaker 1: You just you can't even understand how a mom And
Speaker 1: I understand that some people don't want to post their
Speaker 1: kids on social media and stuff.
Speaker 2: But they have pictures of the twins.
Speaker 1: Yeah they put Yeah. And another thing is when I
Speaker 1: scrolled way back on the dads, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of like this public affection, which you always have to
Speaker 1: be uh, you always have to be like suspicious of
Speaker 1: when like a couple's just like my husband's the best, Yes,
Speaker 1: he is the best. He just treats me so good.
Speaker 1: It's like it's really like a weird way of being
Speaker 1: all the time, Like our relationship is so great. It's
Speaker 1: just so great.
Speaker 2: It's so great.
Speaker 1: You're like, eh, you know that to me is like
Speaker 1: kind of skeptical there too. So I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know if she met this guy and then
Speaker 1: like decided that she didn't want nothing to do with
Speaker 1: her kids because the family didn't want anything to do
Speaker 1: with the kids or whatever. I don't know what happened,
Speaker 1: but like something really bad happened. And we just had
Speaker 1: a story last week about kids that were remember the
Speaker 1: story of the little kids that were kept inside of
Speaker 1: their house since COVID yeah, okay, they were also being homeschooled,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like I homeschooled my kids in
Speaker 1: the state of New Jersey years ago, right when up
Speaker 1: until Lillian was in third grade, and honestly, like I
Speaker 1: got to tell you, the walls are kind of crazy
Speaker 1: and I can't believe it. Like I just had to
Speaker 1: pull I had to send a letter to the principal
Speaker 1: when she was in kindergarten and just say, my daughter
Speaker 1: is not coming back to school. I'm homeschooling her. And
Speaker 1: that was the end of it. Like nobody ever checked
Speaker 1: to see if I was teaching her anything.
Speaker 2: I believe I was saying that on that episode that
Speaker 2: there needs to be check ins, like I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: know it could be invasive or whatever, but if you're
Speaker 2: not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have a problem with
Speaker 2: somebody checking in on you every couple weeks. Well, I
Speaker 2: don't think that people should come to your house and
Speaker 2: check on you. That's ridiculous, that's total. You don't need
Speaker 2: to come to your not that.
Speaker 1: But just I'm more concerned with the check ins of
Speaker 1: because in the state of Pennsylvania, for exactly, for example,
Speaker 1: like you have to prove that your kids are learning
Speaker 1: age appropriate material and meeting certain landmarks. And that's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I think that there should be that
Speaker 1: because just having that kind of a check in would
Speaker 1: know that at least that there's some I guess someone
Speaker 1: that's that's educating this kid and they're meeting certain milestones
Speaker 1: for the education portion of it. You don't want to
Speaker 1: get into a situation where the government's coming to your
Speaker 1: house and checking on you and your kids. That's like
Speaker 1: really really bad. But like the thing is is that
Speaker 1: these kids are homeschooled. No, and there's no documentation anywhere.
Speaker 1: Like my local town doesn't even know that I ever
Speaker 1: put my kids back in school. It's like they just
Speaker 1: completely fell off the radar. And you're going to have
Speaker 1: people like I was always okay, like I want to
Speaker 1: give my kids more of an education that they would
Speaker 1: ever get at school, But like there's people that are
Speaker 1: just like letting their kids sit on the phone all
Speaker 1: day and not do anything, and I don't like that.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and this is the problem because a lot
Speaker 2: of people use it to disguise abuse. Yeah, so so
Speaker 2: we're there, that's where we're at right now with this,
Speaker 2: And like I said January twenty twenty one, there was
Speaker 2: a fetus in an ultrasound picture, so like there's potentially
Speaker 2: a fifth kid too. We don't even know, Like there's
Speaker 2: no comments under the picture.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so bizarre. Soies might not be able
Speaker 1: to see them because you're yeah, friends with that's true.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting though, because all of these people she
Speaker 1: must have like dog show friends, and all of them
Speaker 1: are like congrats, congrats, And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: at the end of the all of the posts, the
Speaker 1: first couple ones, there's like links to this article, and
Speaker 1: it's just like.
Speaker 2: Is this you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is like they're shocked, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, obviously, all.
Speaker 1: Right, our final story is really really upsetting, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of an upsetting topic for people, but we have
Speaker 1: to talk about it because it's it's just such a
Speaker 1: unique case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this thirty year old mom was nine weeks pregnant.
Speaker 2: She started suddenly developing these intense headaches back in February,
Speaker 2: so I guess at first she went to go seek
Speaker 2: treatment and they gave her meds at the hospital, but
Speaker 2: they didn't do any tests. They sent her home and
Speaker 2: then the next day, she ended up gasping for air
Speaker 2: and it turns out she had blood clots in her brain.
Speaker 2: So now she's been declared brain dead. But because she
Speaker 2: was nine months or nine weeks pregnant and due to
Speaker 2: an abortion band in Georgia, her family is being forced
Speaker 2: to keep her alive. So she's thirty years old and
Speaker 2: she's also a nurse, so we have to add that.
Speaker 2: And she went to the hospital because she was like,
Speaker 2: this headache is a little bit worse than it should be,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go get.
Speaker 1: This checked out. I don't know what happened there, but like,
Speaker 1: oh shocker, Like a woman goes and gets medical treatment,
Speaker 1: it gets blown off as it being something stupid, like okay, right,
Speaker 1: But then she probably had a hemorrhagic stroke or something.
Speaker 1: She might have had a ruptured aneurysm. Whatever happened, she
Speaker 1: was from all accounts, brain dead. Brought in they were
Speaker 1: going to do surgery and they were just like, no,
Speaker 1: she's lost too much oxygen. She's brain dead. So not
Speaker 1: only she brain dead, but there's a high probability that
Speaker 1: the fetus that's only nine weeks developing in her also
Speaker 1: has problems due to this lack of oxygen that we
Speaker 1: don't even know yet until the kid's born. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's another thing to keep in mind. But she's so
Speaker 1: she's not making any choice to abort this baby or not.
Speaker 1: Like she's dead. So now they're saying, oh, because the
Speaker 1: rule says that you're not allowed to get an abortion
Speaker 1: after six weeks. They said, accept in the case of
Speaker 1: a medical emergency or medically futile pregnancy. The state's determined
Speaker 1: that a medical emergency is defined as a condition in
Speaker 1: which an abortion is necessary in order to prevent the
Speaker 1: death of a woman or substantial or irreversible physical impairment
Speaker 1: of a major bodily function. And a pregnant woman, well,
Speaker 1: since she's dead, they're like, Okay, well we don't need
Speaker 1: to abort the baby because her life is not in
Speaker 1: danger anymore, because her life is over. So they've been
Speaker 1: keeping her alive on machines for ninety days. Now, she's
Speaker 1: twenty one weeks pregnant. Okay, now think about this from
Speaker 1: her mother's perspective. Okay, her thirty year old daughter is dead,
Speaker 1: she has a she's pregnant with her grandson. She has
Speaker 1: another son who now she has to have a hand
Speaker 1: in raising because the mother's dead and so she's mourning
Speaker 1: the loss of her daughter and everything else, but her
Speaker 1: daughter is still alive, so she has to go visit
Speaker 1: her at the hospital on these machines. And they said
Speaker 1: that they're going to keep this fetus inside her until
Speaker 1: she's thirty two weeks and then take the baby out
Speaker 1: because that's when they determined that the fetus could live
Speaker 1: on its own. So they're taking out a baby severely
Speaker 1: premature that might already have underlying issues because of the
Speaker 1: lack of oxygen the mother experience when she died. And
Speaker 1: they're not even giving this grandmother a choice of like
Speaker 1: if she wants to do this, And it's like it's
Speaker 1: just so weird because she's an old lady. She you know,
Speaker 1: she's a grandmom. She she might not want to take
Speaker 1: care of a special needs any baby, let alone a
Speaker 1: special needs baby. And this is kind of being induced
Speaker 1: on her against her will. And she had not to
Speaker 1: do with the choice of any of this. This is daughter.
Speaker 2: Is there a possibility in the next eleven weeks that
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to keep her body? Like, is there
Speaker 2: a possibility she could completely die in the next eleven
Speaker 2: weeks or that's not the way they have it said.
Speaker 2: If they have it set up that she's getting her
Speaker 2: if she's on life support, then no, I mean I
Speaker 2: don't think so, like she could stay alive for a
Speaker 2: very long time on a machine like that like that,
Speaker 2: that's not that's not happening. I mean, this baby has
Speaker 2: already grown to twenty one weeks and it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like the grandmom has even said, I don't know what
Speaker 2: I would choose, but I don't like that I don't
Speaker 2: have a choice because really this pregnancy was not her
Speaker 2: choice at all. Now this the woman that is now,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I didn't see anything about this
Speaker 2: in the article actually, which is interesting because the father
Speaker 2: technically still has a right to this baby, and she
Speaker 2: was with the father actively, they were in a relationship,
Speaker 2: So if he is pushing for her to stay alive
Speaker 2: on the machines so he could take his child, that's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different story. But they're they're
Speaker 2: not married, but they're not married, and her legal Mexican
Speaker 2: is her mother her children obviously, but they're two her sons,
Speaker 2: I think six years old, so her legal Mexican's her mother,
Speaker 2: who should be able to make the decisions.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird it's just a weird case. And
Speaker 1: like doctors are scared shitless to do anything that because
Speaker 1: like if the law says it's the only way you're
Speaker 1: allowed to do the abortion is to prevent the death
Speaker 1: of a woman, then like if they do the abortion,
Speaker 1: they're breaking the law. They could lose their medical license,
Speaker 1: So that's why they're scared. I personally don't understand why
Speaker 1: they can't just transfer her body to another hospital in
Speaker 1: a state that just would be okay with it or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know all the ins and outs of that,
Speaker 1: And obviously that costs money too, and maybe the family
Speaker 1: just doesn't have money for that. But I just don't
Speaker 1: think that this is cool at all that this and
Speaker 1: and listen, like I'm usually like not, I'm not. I've
Speaker 1: said this multiple times on this program. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: a huge like pro abortion person. I think that it's
Speaker 1: necessary in some cases, this being one of them, but
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely way overdone for sure. But in
Speaker 1: this particular case, this grandmom should not have to become
Speaker 1: the parent of this child that potentially might have a
Speaker 1: brain injury. And and and another mouth to feed, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's just because because like let's say they take
Speaker 1: the baby out of thirty two weeks, Well, who are
Speaker 1: they given it to? You know, Like I think this
Speaker 1: whole thing is so ridiculous and they should be making
Speaker 1: an exception for this because they keep being like, well,
Speaker 1: she's in a gray area. Well, to me, this is
Speaker 1: this should be under the umbrella of a medical emergency
Speaker 1: that it's allowed. I mean, it's ridiculous this law is
Speaker 1: even in an effect to begin with.
Speaker 2: But like if it's happening, and it's and you can't
Speaker 2: get rid of it for a while, then why can't
Speaker 2: this be deemed the medical emergency? I mean, this is
Speaker 2: so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It it's actually ridiculous. Like when you when you listen
Speaker 1: to it, and and and like this poor mom, like
Speaker 1: she's getting an interview in People magazine and that's great,
Speaker 1: Like they can't have some kind of emergency meeting to
Speaker 1: figure out this for her. I mean, like it's it's
Speaker 1: just so it's so gross. And then you hear about
Speaker 1: these cases and you're just like, why does everybody have
Speaker 1: to be so extreme on either side, like just be
Speaker 1: reasonable and normal and like it's just like everything everything
Speaker 1: has to be like all one way or all another
Speaker 1: way instead of just being like in the middle zone
Speaker 1: that would work for most people. It's it, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like we're just no longer making like human choices, right,
Speaker 2: Like we were talking about this when that girl fainted
Speaker 2: on air, Like instead of just being a human and
Speaker 2: helping her out, you're like, the show must go on.
Speaker 2: I I don't know what to do with my appearance
Speaker 2: if like I get out of my seat, Like, who
Speaker 2: gives a shit somebody passed out? Just make good ethical decisions?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I don't know. It's just this case
Speaker 1: really upset. It just upsets me so bad just thinking
Speaker 1: about it. And like I said, like the dad, there
Speaker 1: might be more to the story, because if the dad
Speaker 1: wants the baby alive, that's all that's all I could say,
Speaker 1: and then that would thicken the plot a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what's going on, and I understand,
Speaker 1: like I don't know. It's just a very difficult thing
Speaker 1: because like technically that baby wouldn't be alive if they
Speaker 1: weren't keeping the woman alive. She's not naturally alive, like
Speaker 1: she's alive because she's on a machine.
Speaker 2: Well, she wasn't thirty eight weeks pregnant when the thing happened,
Speaker 2: like she was very early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. It's just like it almost
Speaker 1: seems like some weird experiment that they're trying to do
Speaker 1: to see. Like, I don't know, I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like any of it. It's not cool.
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, thank you guys so much for
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