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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 1: are going to have the latest updates on the first

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Speaker 1: couple of days of the Ditty trial and some new

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Speaker 1: information that was released about Brian Koberger such a freaking creep.

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Speaker 1: We will also get into an influencer who had sex

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Speaker 1: selective IVF and she was surprised by our audience's reaction

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Speaker 1: to that. We have a few freak accidents to talk about,

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Speaker 1: involving kangaroos, spiders, and hot air balloons. A disgusting, seriously

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Speaker 1: discussing case of child abuse that's local to us. Shocker.

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Speaker 1: It's like right in the town that I went to

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Speaker 1: college and uh middle school and my mother. This is

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Speaker 1: a terrible story about a mother who is forced to

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Speaker 1: keep her dead daughter alive because she was pregnant at

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Speaker 1: the time she died, and because of these crazy abortion laws,

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Speaker 1: she is not able to take her daughter off of

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Speaker 1: life support. All that and more, There is just a

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Speaker 1: lot of news going on this week, so bear with us.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to cover the most important things, but it's

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Speaker 1: a lot, so let's get started. Like, let's just do

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Speaker 1: updates with Diddy because I mean, by next week there's

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Speaker 1: just gonna be so much more.

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Speaker 2: So keep you guys up to date. The trials underway.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Jerry's selection took a little longer

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Speaker 2: than they were anticipating. And we had reported that last

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Speaker 2: week people were paying the line holders to secure their

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Speaker 2: place in line. But the trial is fully underway now.

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Speaker 2: Cassie's been testifying her on the stand all week, and

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Speaker 2: she's pregnant, and I'm sure this is horrible for her

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Speaker 2: to have to relive these like terrible years of her

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Speaker 2: life while she's also pregnant and going through all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you know that Diddy didn't want her to

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Speaker 1: enter the courtroom in front of the jury being pregnant

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Speaker 1: because they didn't want her to have them to have

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Speaker 1: sympathy for her because she's like she's thirty eight weeks

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Speaker 1: or something. She's like wobbling. I mean, it's actually crazy

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Speaker 1: because she very may very well go into labor and

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Speaker 1: not be even to finish. I mean, she's at the

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Speaker 1: very end.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure she doesn't want to fucking be there either,

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Speaker 2: Like think about that she does.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she doesn't, but at the same time, like

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Speaker 1: you do because you're you want justice, so sometimes you

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Speaker 1: go through a harder thing, but continue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, with this, we're seeing there's no

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Speaker 2: cameras in the courtroom, so it's hard to know exactly

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Speaker 2: what's going on because, like court TV is an advertiser

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Speaker 2: isn't playing it all day long, so we have to

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Speaker 2: rely on reporters. Luckily, we are friends with Lauren who's

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Speaker 2: been in the courtroom and been reporting it. I thought

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Speaker 2: it was crazy. She said, there's so much talk of

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Speaker 2: the baby oil, like it's getting ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's it's a significant part of the

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Speaker 1: case for those of you who don't know when when

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Speaker 1: they were arresting Diddy in the beginning of this, he

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Speaker 1: had an insane amount of like over a thousand bottles

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Speaker 1: Nobody would ever have that in their house for any reason.

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Speaker 1: So it is relevant to the case, I guess. But

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Speaker 1: of course, the the the prosecution is trying to say

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Speaker 1: that that Cassie's a victim, but the defense is trying

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Speaker 1: to say that she although this is a very alternative lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna start today, right, They're gonna be she's gonna

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Speaker 1: be examined by the defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I saw an interesting post going around on

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Speaker 2: like why didn't she leave when there's literally a video

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Speaker 2: even know what people are thinking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just like people who don't even have

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Speaker 1: means any kind of people aren't with famous people anything

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: The weirdest part of this case, for I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: and like his family's there. Yeah, it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: His teenage children are in the room, and I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: but like as like, where is their mother protecting them

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Speaker 2: hear somebody give a play by play of how they

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Speaker 2: had sex with your dad in court and how an

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So she in her testimony, she said that she

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Speaker 1: so obviously she was taking drugs to get through all

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Speaker 1: And it started off with alcohol and then eventually it

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Speaker 1: taking these drugs so she could disassociate, which you would

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Speaker 1: want to because another crazy thing that came out was

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Speaker 1: just like complete strangers and the only thing you're doing

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Speaker 1: only did she get an addiction that she had to

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Speaker 1: mouth ulcers all the time, which is like, can happen

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Speaker 1: the time, people peeing in your mouth obviously, but also

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Speaker 1: so crazy to hear that people actually live like this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it any less traumatic that you were assaulted. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be I I'm like actually really interested to

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Speaker 1: all right, but let's let's get on too, so we'll

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Speaker 1: other things to get to. So let's talk about Coberger

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Speaker 1: because I was scrolling through acts the other night and

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Speaker 1: that was this weekend. You also could listen to the

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Speaker 1: dateline in a podcast form. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I think you've established that episodes.

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Speaker 1: It's like, do you not get that vibe when you

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Speaker 2: Like, of course I do. He's scary as shit, but like.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know why it affects me so much,

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Speaker 1: but I'm telling you, when he first got arrested, it's scared.

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Speaker 1: He scared me too. There's just like when you look

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Speaker 2: Well it just gets worse too, because that picture came

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Speaker 2: These crazy Google searches have come out. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: then there's no other prior history of weird Google searches

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Speaker 1: All of them off of social media, all of them,

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Speaker 1: course his Google history was videos of Ted Bundy. He

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Speaker 1: was looking at Britney Spears song Criminal, I don't know which.

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Speaker 2: Is it? Like?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that he's like in love with Ted

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Speaker 2: I guess I never even considered that. Well, so as

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Speaker 2: Apparently that's exactly how Ted Bundy looked in that video,

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Speaker 2: so weird. Oh, he was also looking up drugged or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So and that brings into a lot of question

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Speaker 1: of what his intentions were if he was in fact

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Speaker 1: also see in that episode that Ethan Chapin, So he

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Speaker 2: Clearly poorly planned or he just I mean, as far

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Speaker 2: So if this is really the first act he's committing.

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Speaker 2: He clearly had a problem and it didn't go through

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Speaker 1: So we told you that we've been doing this three

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Speaker 1: All right, so this week we have a couple freak accents.

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Speaker 1: There was actually a ton of freak accidents, but we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like getting in a fight with a strong dude,

436
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna get beat up any any

437
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: did because the kicks are so bad. Yeah, they're They're

438
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: definitely more powerful. So I mean, what's the saying play

439
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: stupid games, win stupid prizes?

440
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: Like, yes, a lot of people in the gross room

441
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: lately have been saying like there should just be a

442
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: category called like fuck around find out.

443
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: That literally, like that's that's what happened here. This next

444
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: one didn't really cause much injury, but it's kind of

445
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: funny story that's very relatable.

446
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Ohio, this woman crashed her card trying to

447
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: get a spider and she ended up breaking her wrist.

448
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: So I mean, I.

449
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: How many times does that happen? Like mine is like spiders,

450
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't care about Mine's like a mosquito, Like I

451
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: just do not want to get bit by a mosquito.

452
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: And if I see one, I'm like freaking out so bad.

453
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: And you definitely could see how this could happen.

454
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, spiders, I'm not necessarily bothered by In the car

455
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 2: but flying bugs for sure, because I'm like, I just

456
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: don't want to touch in my face. I mean, thankfully

457
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: I've never had like a be trapped in the car

458
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I feel like I would crash

459
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: if there is a bee in the car.

460
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: But I really, I really rather get sung by bait

461
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: than a mosquito. I know that that sounds so ridiculous,

462
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: but like, I rather feel pain than that annoying itch.

463
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: It's just I hate that feeling so bad.

464
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 2: There's no itch worse than the noseums that stays on

465
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 2: me for like three weeks, so unbearable. Oh they are

466
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: those ones in Florida that like bite your ankles or whatever. Yeah,

467
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: but they hit my ankles and my wrists and it's

468
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: so unbearable, Like I can't even sleep. I'm putting the

469
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: cream all over. It's not doing anything. It's horrible. Like

470
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: that's a personal form of torture for.

471
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: Me, it it is, That's what I'm saying, Like, I

472
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: don't I would rather feel pain than itch any day.

473
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Like, remember when I had that polymorphic

474
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: light eruption rash from the sun that I get in

475
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: the summer. I get around like this time of year

476
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: in the summer with the first bright sunlight. It's like

477
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: torture to be itchy and not being especially if you

478
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: take like banadoline and creams and stuff and it doesn't

479
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: make it go away. It's like absolute torture.

480
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, lots of people and naked and afraid

481
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: just end up quitting because the bugs are so bad.

482
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Like those no sam bugs. They I wonder if you

483
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: just have an allergy to them or something because it

484
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: because it does everyone get that reaction to them. There's

485
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: no way because a lot of people. I feel like

486
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: people wouldn't live there and stuff if it was like that.

487
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: It must not affect everybody. I mean, it doesn't affect

488
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: when we go down there, Like Ricky doesn't have a problem, right,

489
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: but like it ruins my life for three weeks. And

490
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: that's like I'm active about putting the bugspray and whatever

491
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: on and it just doesn't matter. And it's torturous. Okay.

492
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: So we talked about back in January of twenty twenty

493
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: four a hot air balloon tragedy that killed four people,

494
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: and now we have another one this week that came

495
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: with a viral video that just looks nuts.

496
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, This happened at some hot air balloon festival in Mexico.

497
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: But basically it burst into flames right before it took off,

498
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: and then it seems like there was three people on

499
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: it initially and the operator was able to get two

500
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: people off, but he wasn't able to get off before

501
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: it lifted into the air, and then he ended up

502
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: jumping to his death.

503
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: It's on fire, Like, it's just so crazy to see that.

504
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: So that's your choice. Either you could be up there

505
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: and burn to death or try to jump and get

506
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 1: away from it and hope you survive. Like that's your

507
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: choice right there. No, it's horrible. It's just sad to

508
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: be on the ground and watch a human suffering like

509
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: that when you have absolutely no way of helping them

510
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: and knowing that they're just trying to make some split

511
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: second choice. I mean, what's the choice, Like, you just

512
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: know you're gonna die either way. I think he made

513
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: the right one. At least he would have had a

514
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: chance to survive. And like, who wants to burn to death?

515
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: No?

516
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: One? Right?

517
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: No, but yeah exactly.

518
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: I mean nobody wants to fall to death either, But

519
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: I just think burning to death would just be even

520
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like it's one of the

521
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: worst things ever.

522
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: But how are you possibly getting rescued from that? It's

523
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: such a.

524
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: We're not You're not like listen. I hate those things.

525
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: I think they're the coolest looking things ever. I really.

526
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: We saw some of them on our trip actually while

527
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: we were driving, and I think they're so beautiful, Like

528
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: they're just the coolest looking things on the world. I

529
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: would just never ever go on one. I think they're

530
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: you're just like asking for it. I don't, I don't know.

531
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: I guess the zoo doesn't do it anymore.

532
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Right, But the zoo was attached to the ground. There

533
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: was like nothing, there was nothing like dangerous about it.

534
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: It was like it was like a low grade ride.

535
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: I was like, if that rope snaps, that's.

536
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: It for Oh stop it. I don't even know if

537
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: it like could function if the rope snapped. I think

538
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: it was. It was like a ride at like the

539
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: little kids go on at the zoo.

540
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: Really, I think things operated in like ten years.

541
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't it's it's not there, no, because you used

542
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: to see it, like when you were driving on seventy six,

543
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: you would see it up in the air. But now

544
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: you don't see it anymore.

545
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: Another I didn't car crash? Has six seen the balloon ride?

546
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, so this case that we're

547
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: going to talk about next is local to us. This

548
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: just happened like a day or two ago, so there's

549
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: not a ton of information. But the advantage of these

550
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: people not being high profile is that sometimes people have

551
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: Facebook accounts and they get arrested and their Facebook accounts

552
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: don't get scrubbed, so people like Maria and I could

553
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: go through and creep on them and find out all

554
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: this information about them before law enforcement even comes in

555
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: and gets rid of their social media or whatever, and

556
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: it makes it even more disturbing to learn about these people.

557
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically what happened last week was that this

558
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: teenager escaped her house with the help of a neighbor

559
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: and told police that she had been abused since twenty

560
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: and eighteen by I guess her mom and her stepfather,

561
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: because I mean both of them had to be in

562
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: on it because they're both living in the house. But

563
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: the abuse was since she was in sixth grade, so

564
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: the mother ended up removing her from school and made

565
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: her live in a dog create for a year. And

566
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: would only let her out occasionally. Then she was forced

567
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: to live in a bathroom and chained up, and then

568
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: eventually they moved her into an empty room with an

569
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: alarm system that would let them know if she moved

570
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: or got out.

571
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, when obviously she went to the neighbor, police

572
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: shows up at the house and they find that this

573
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: does indeed to be true, like they see all evidence

574
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: of what the daughter was telling them, and then they

575
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: found another kid in there that was thirteen years old

576
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: who was also being homeschooled. So that's when the plot thickens,

577
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: because when we start looking at these two social media accounts,

578
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: you're just like, you don't even understand, like how this

579
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: is going on and how this happened.

580
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was talking to my friend Rachel about

581
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: it this morning because she lives in that area and

582
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: she grew up around there, and she sent me one

583
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: of the guys or the stepfather's Facebook page, and I

584
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: start looking through it and it just starts getting even

585
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: more confusing. It seems like these people have been together

586
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: for at least ten years, maybe more. These two children,

587
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: the eighteen year old who escaped and the thirteen year

588
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: old who has removed from the home, were from a

589
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: previous relationship. Then the two of them had twins in

590
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: seemingly twenty nineteen, So where were the twins when they

591
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: were going through the house. I'm really confused about that.

592
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: And then there was just all these really bizarre posts

593
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: about the children and their family, and they had all

594
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: these dogs, and then the mom's Facebook page said rip

595
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: Juliana's twelve four, fifteen twelve, twenty eight nineteen, and we're like,

596
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: was this another child? Was it a dog? Like? What

597
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: is going on?

598
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: So on his Facebook account he hasn't posted for a

599
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: while since twenty and twenty one, it looks like so

600
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: there's that. But on his Facebook account back in twenty

601
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: and twenty, there's lots of posts in a row that

602
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: say things like should a husband defend his wife against

603
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: insults from his family? This other one says this was

604
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty, hating on me because my wife is

605
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: white and has two kids from a previous relationship. So

606
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: he's black and the wife is white, making me choose

607
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: between you and them. They are my only family now

608
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: and you will never see us again. You know who

609
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: you are. Stop trying to talk to me. No means no,

610
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: it took me years to see how racist you are,

611
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and now I'm free of your negativity. Peace out. So

612
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: clearly there was an issue with his family and the

613
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: new wife and the kids and all that stuff. But

614
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: this was in twenty twenty, and this child is saying

615
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: that she was held started being held two years prior

616
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: to this post was even made. As Maria said, in

617
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: twenty and nineteen, he made a post saying that his

618
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: wife had twin daughters and said how great she was.

619
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: She takes care of all four kids and the house

620
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: and dogs. So, like we were saying there was two

621
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: kids found, where are these other two kids that are

622
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: about five or six years old at this point, right, like,

623
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: where are they? Didn't hear anything about that in the news,

624
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like he has a relationship with

625
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: his family, so like, where are these kids? We have

626
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: no idea right now. So in January twenty and twenty one,

627
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: he posted another ultrasound picture which had Brenda Moseley written

628
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: on the film, and it looks like it's a singleton pregnancy,

629
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: so there's only one baby there, so like, what ultrasound

630
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: is that? And where is that kid? Like, yeah, it

631
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: so so then you go on Brenda's Facebook page, which

632
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: looks like she created in two thousand and nine, but

633
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: she only has posts going back to twenty and twenty three. Well,

634
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: I think sometimes just based on your settings, that's why

635
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: not all of them are there. Like I think if

636
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: you were friends with her, all of her stuff would appear,

637
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: but publicly only this five peers, so there might be

638
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: some in between, but we just can't see them. So

639
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: it for whatever I could see all the way back

640
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three, there is absolutely no evidence that

641
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: she has children. All I see is her like posting

642
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: that she's she does dog shows with this great day

643
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: and that she has right. She just posted on May tenth,

644
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: which was only five days ago, she posted a picture

645
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: on her Facebook of her dog named jelly Roll, who

646
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: won this Best and Show award at the Lancaster Kennel Club.

647
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Like fifty comments underneath from people like oh my god,

648
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: we're so proud of you, congrats, this, that and the other.

649
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: It's so weird. And she's wearing the dress in that

650
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: picture that she's wearing in her mugshot. She looks like

651
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: a totally like no, I hate to say this, but

652
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: she just looks like a normal lady.

653
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: That's like, so she posted that on May tenth, because

654
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: the kid escaped on May eighth. Yeah, I don't know,

655
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: it looks like it was posted on May tenth. This

656
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: just doesn't make any sense. I mean when you look

657
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: at their Facebook page, beyond their like posts and stuff, like,

658
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: they look like letely normal people. Like I don't know.

659
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: I just.

660
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Works for sept It. He's a he's an engineer for

661
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: the train like he so he works with a bunch

662
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: of people that knows him too. Which is which question?

663
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: Like this is what I question? Like you know all

664
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: these people that they do these dog shows, they have

665
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: all these people in their life that know them, and

666
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: like nobody is questioning where their children are. It's just

667
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: it's so outrageous to me, like four kids, Like where

668
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: are four kids? I don't understand? And these this guy's

669
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: going to work at Accepta every day and coming home

670
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: and just like treating a child like in a dog

671
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: cage and sexually abusing them and stuff I don't understand.

672
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: Like we're just talking about this now because we know

673
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing at this point, but like, well we'll keep

674
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: you updated. It's just like looking through the Facebook and stuff.

675
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: You just you can't even understand how a mom And

676
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: I understand that some people don't want to post their

677
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: kids on social media and stuff.

678
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: But they have pictures of the twins.

679
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah they put Yeah. And another thing is when I

680
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: scrolled way back on the dads, it was a lot

681
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: of like this public affection, which you always have to

682
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: be uh, you always have to be like suspicious of

683
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: when like a couple's just like my husband's the best, Yes,

684
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: he is the best. He just treats me so good.

685
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: It's like it's really like a weird way of being

686
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: all the time, Like our relationship is so great. It's

687
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: just so great.

688
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: It's so great.

689
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: You're like, eh, you know that to me is like

690
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: kind of skeptical there too. So I don't know, Like

691
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if she met this guy and then

692
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: like decided that she didn't want nothing to do with

693
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: her kids because the family didn't want anything to do

694
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: with the kids or whatever. I don't know what happened,

695
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: but like something really bad happened. And we just had

696
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: a story last week about kids that were remember the

697
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: story of the little kids that were kept inside of

698
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: their house since COVID yeah, okay, they were also being homeschooled,

699
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like I homeschooled my kids in

700
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: the state of New Jersey years ago, right when up

701
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: until Lillian was in third grade, and honestly, like I

702
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: got to tell you, the walls are kind of crazy

703
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: and I can't believe it. Like I just had to

704
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: pull I had to send a letter to the principal

705
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: when she was in kindergarten and just say, my daughter

706
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: is not coming back to school. I'm homeschooling her. And

707
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: that was the end of it. Like nobody ever checked

708
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: to see if I was teaching her anything.

709
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: I believe I was saying that on that episode that

710
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: there needs to be check ins, like I'm sorry, I

711
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: know it could be invasive or whatever, but if you're

712
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have a problem with

713
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: somebody checking in on you every couple weeks. Well, I

714
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: don't think that people should come to your house and

715
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: check on you. That's ridiculous, that's total. You don't need

716
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: to come to your not that.

717
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: But just I'm more concerned with the check ins of

718
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: because in the state of Pennsylvania, for exactly, for example,

719
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: like you have to prove that your kids are learning

720
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: age appropriate material and meeting certain landmarks. And that's all

721
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I think that there should be that

722
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: because just having that kind of a check in would

723
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: know that at least that there's some I guess someone

724
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: that's that's educating this kid and they're meeting certain milestones

725
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: for the education portion of it. You don't want to

726
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: get into a situation where the government's coming to your

727
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: house and checking on you and your kids. That's like

728
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: really really bad. But like the thing is is that

729
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: these kids are homeschooled. No, and there's no documentation anywhere.

730
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: Like my local town doesn't even know that I ever

731
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: put my kids back in school. It's like they just

732
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: completely fell off the radar. And you're going to have

733
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: people like I was always okay, like I want to

734
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: give my kids more of an education that they would

735
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: ever get at school, But like there's people that are

736
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: just like letting their kids sit on the phone all

737
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: day and not do anything, and I don't like that.

738
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and this is the problem because a lot

739
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: of people use it to disguise abuse. Yeah, so so

740
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: we're there, that's where we're at right now with this,

741
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: And like I said January twenty twenty one, there was

742
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: a fetus in an ultrasound picture, so like there's potentially

743
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: a fifth kid too. We don't even know, Like there's

744
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: no comments under the picture.

745
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: It's just it's so bizarre. Soies might not be able

746
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: to see them because you're yeah, friends with that's true.

747
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: So it's interesting though, because all of these people she

748
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: must have like dog show friends, and all of them

749
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: are like congrats, congrats, And then all of a sudden,

750
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the all of the posts, the

751
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: first couple ones, there's like links to this article, and

752
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: it's just like.

753
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: Is this you?

754
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is like they're shocked, you know

755
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: what I mean.

756
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, obviously, all.

757
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: Right, our final story is really really upsetting, and it's

758
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: kind of an upsetting topic for people, but we have

759
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: to talk about it because it's it's just such a

760
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: unique case.

761
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this thirty year old mom was nine weeks pregnant.

762
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: She started suddenly developing these intense headaches back in February,

763
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: so I guess at first she went to go seek

764
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: treatment and they gave her meds at the hospital, but

765
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: they didn't do any tests. They sent her home and

766
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: then the next day, she ended up gasping for air

767
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: and it turns out she had blood clots in her brain.

768
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: So now she's been declared brain dead. But because she

769
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: was nine months or nine weeks pregnant and due to

770
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: an abortion band in Georgia, her family is being forced

771
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: to keep her alive. So she's thirty years old and

772
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: she's also a nurse, so we have to add that.

773
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: And she went to the hospital because she was like,

774
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: this headache is a little bit worse than it should be,

775
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go get.

776
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: This checked out. I don't know what happened there, but like,

777
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: oh shocker, Like a woman goes and gets medical treatment,

778
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: it gets blown off as it being something stupid, like okay, right,

779
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: But then she probably had a hemorrhagic stroke or something.

780
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: She might have had a ruptured aneurysm. Whatever happened, she

781
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: was from all accounts, brain dead. Brought in they were

782
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: going to do surgery and they were just like, no,

783
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: she's lost too much oxygen. She's brain dead. So not

784
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: only she brain dead, but there's a high probability that

785
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: the fetus that's only nine weeks developing in her also

786
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: has problems due to this lack of oxygen that we

787
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: don't even know yet until the kid's born. Okay, so

788
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: that's another thing to keep in mind. But she's so

789
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: she's not making any choice to abort this baby or not.

790
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: Like she's dead. So now they're saying, oh, because the

791
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: rule says that you're not allowed to get an abortion

792
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: after six weeks. They said, accept in the case of

793
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: a medical emergency or medically futile pregnancy. The state's determined

794
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: that a medical emergency is defined as a condition in

795
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: which an abortion is necessary in order to prevent the

796
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: death of a woman or substantial or irreversible physical impairment

797
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: of a major bodily function. And a pregnant woman, well,

798
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: since she's dead, they're like, Okay, well we don't need

799
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: to abort the baby because her life is not in

800
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: danger anymore, because her life is over. So they've been

801
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: keeping her alive on machines for ninety days. Now, she's

802
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: twenty one weeks pregnant. Okay, now think about this from

803
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: her mother's perspective. Okay, her thirty year old daughter is dead,

804
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: she has a she's pregnant with her grandson. She has

805
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: another son who now she has to have a hand

806
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: in raising because the mother's dead and so she's mourning

807
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: the loss of her daughter and everything else, but her

808
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 1: daughter is still alive, so she has to go visit

809
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: her at the hospital on these machines. And they said

810
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: that they're going to keep this fetus inside her until

811
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: she's thirty two weeks and then take the baby out

812
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: because that's when they determined that the fetus could live

813
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: on its own. So they're taking out a baby severely

814
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: premature that might already have underlying issues because of the

815
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: lack of oxygen the mother experience when she died. And

816
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: they're not even giving this grandmother a choice of like

817
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: if she wants to do this, And it's like it's

818
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: just so weird because she's an old lady. She you know,

819
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: she's a grandmom. She she might not want to take

820
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: care of a special needs any baby, let alone a

821
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: special needs baby. And this is kind of being induced

822
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: on her against her will. And she had not to

823
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: do with the choice of any of this. This is daughter.

824
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: Is there a possibility in the next eleven weeks that

825
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to keep her body? Like, is there

826
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: a possibility she could completely die in the next eleven

827
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: weeks or that's not the way they have it said.

828
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: If they have it set up that she's getting her

829
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: if she's on life support, then no, I mean I

830
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: don't think so, like she could stay alive for a

831
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: very long time on a machine like that like that,

832
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: that's not that's not happening. I mean, this baby has

833
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: already grown to twenty one weeks and it's I don't know,

834
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: Like the grandmom has even said, I don't know what

835
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: I would choose, but I don't like that I don't

836
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: have a choice because really this pregnancy was not her

837
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: choice at all. Now this the woman that is now,

838
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I didn't see anything about this

839
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: in the article actually, which is interesting because the father

840
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: technically still has a right to this baby, and she

841
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: was with the father actively, they were in a relationship,

842
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: So if he is pushing for her to stay alive

843
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: on the machines so he could take his child, that's

844
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different story. But they're they're

845
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: not married, but they're not married, and her legal Mexican

846
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: is her mother her children obviously, but they're two her sons,

847
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: I think six years old, so her legal Mexican's her mother,

848
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: who should be able to make the decisions.

849
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: It's such a weird it's just a weird case. And

850
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: like doctors are scared shitless to do anything that because

851
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: like if the law says it's the only way you're

852
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: allowed to do the abortion is to prevent the death

853
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: of a woman, then like if they do the abortion,

854
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: they're breaking the law. They could lose their medical license,

855
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: So that's why they're scared. I personally don't understand why

856
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: they can't just transfer her body to another hospital in

857
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: a state that just would be okay with it or whatever.

858
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't know all the ins and outs of that,

859
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: And obviously that costs money too, and maybe the family

860
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: just doesn't have money for that. But I just don't

861
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: think that this is cool at all that this and

862
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: and listen, like I'm usually like not, I'm not. I've

863
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: said this multiple times on this program. Like I'm not

864
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: a huge like pro abortion person. I think that it's

865
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: necessary in some cases, this being one of them, but

866
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely way overdone for sure. But in

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Speaker 1: this particular case, this grandmom should not have to become

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Speaker 1: the parent of this child that potentially might have a

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Speaker 1: brain injury. And and and another mouth to feed, Like

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Speaker 1: it's it's just because because like let's say they take

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Speaker 1: the baby out of thirty two weeks, Well, who are

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Speaker 1: they given it to? You know, Like I think this

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Speaker 1: whole thing is so ridiculous and they should be making

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Speaker 1: an exception for this because they keep being like, well,

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Speaker 1: she's in a gray area. Well, to me, this is

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Speaker 1: this should be under the umbrella of a medical emergency

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Speaker 1: that it's allowed. I mean, it's ridiculous this law is

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Speaker 1: even in an effect to begin with.

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Speaker 2: But like if it's happening, and it's and you can't

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Speaker 2: get rid of it for a while, then why can't

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Speaker 2: this be deemed the medical emergency? I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It it's actually ridiculous. Like when you when you listen

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Speaker 1: to it, and and and like this poor mom, like

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Speaker 1: she's getting an interview in People magazine and that's great,

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Speaker 1: Like they can't have some kind of emergency meeting to

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Speaker 1: figure out this for her. I mean, like it's it's

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Speaker 1: just so it's so gross. And then you hear about

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Speaker 1: these cases and you're just like, why does everybody have

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Speaker 1: to be so extreme on either side, like just be

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Speaker 1: reasonable and normal and like it's just like everything everything

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Speaker 1: has to be like all one way or all another

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Speaker 1: way instead of just being like in the middle zone

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Speaker 1: that would work for most people. It's it, it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like we're just no longer making like human choices, right,

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Speaker 2: Like we were talking about this when that girl fainted

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Speaker 2: on air, Like instead of just being a human and

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Speaker 2: helping her out, you're like, the show must go on.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know what to do with my appearance

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Speaker 2: if like I get out of my seat, Like, who

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Speaker 2: gives a shit somebody passed out? Just make good ethical decisions?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I don't know. It's just this case

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Speaker 1: really upset. It just upsets me so bad just thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. And like I said, like the dad, there

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Speaker 1: might be more to the story, because if the dad

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Speaker 1: wants the baby alive, that's all that's all I could say,

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Speaker 1: and then that would thicken the plot a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know what's going on, and I understand,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know. It's just a very difficult thing

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Speaker 1: because like technically that baby wouldn't be alive if they

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Speaker 1: weren't keeping the woman alive. She's not naturally alive, like

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Speaker 1: she's alive because she's on a machine.

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Speaker 2: Well, she wasn't thirty eight weeks pregnant when the thing happened,

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Speaker 2: like she was very early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. It's just like it almost

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Speaker 1: seems like some weird experiment that they're trying to do

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Speaker 1: to see. Like, I don't know, I just don't like it.

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Speaker 1: I don't like any of it. It's not cool.

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Speaker 2: Well, on that note, thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: Weekend, guys, Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

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Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor, and I

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