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We've got some 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.080 fan questions lined up here. I've got a few coming 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.600 from Twitter. I've even got one coming from Blue Sky. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.720 We got a lot of questions we got fans. We're 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.480 going to get to that. If you haven't gotten on 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.199 Blue Scott makes you go check it out. It's actually 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.040 a pretty cool little app there, and maybe you can 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.320 work for some of the toxicity of Twitter, just at 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.320 least a versify a little bit. We'll move around a 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.399 little bit, but we'll take some questions from both. You 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.800 can hit me on either Twitter or on Blue Sky 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.840 and I'll try to get to some more questions if 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.680 I can here throughout the course of the show, we'll 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.840 start with the injury report. Let's start with some of 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.960 the guys that are returning from injury, Deron Bland, Chum Doga, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.600 Brandon Cooks, Marshawn Neeland. What are we hearing about them 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.560 and the possibilities of them playing this weekend? Knowing Deron 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:00.960 Blam was full participant, Yes. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.800 Yeah, it sounds like Deron Blands in line to make 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.600 his season debut on Sunday, which will obviously be big 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.400 for Mike Zimmer's defense, it would be the first time 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.160 he gets to utilize them in a game. As far 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.080 as Brandon Cooks and Marshaw Neeland go, as long as 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.080 they stay on track of where they are right now, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.600 the expectation is that they could be lifted off of 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.240 the IR now. As far as corresponding roster moves, that's 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.160 where I think it might get a little bit tricky 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.200 with maybe a guy like Chew Maidoga because you look 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.400 at Marquis Bell, He's expected to go on the IR 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.119 with his shoulder dislocation that's most likely going to require surgery. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.519 So you do have one spot you can. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.720 Use with Brandon Cooks, Marshaw Neeland, Chew Malidoga, then you 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.520 got to kind of figure out one or two more so, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.080 but as as long as they can figure out roster correspondence, 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.240 then I think Brandon Cook's, Marshaw Neeland, Chumleydoga would be 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:48.600 ready for Sunday Yeap. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.600 Which those guys you think has the biggest outside of Deron, 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.280 which we know would have an immediate impact. Of those 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.200 other guys, who do you think could have an immedia impact, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.519 particularly thinking about Brandon Cooks and Marshawn Neelan. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.080 Yeah, I think a case could be made for both, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.160 but if you're looking for maybe the bigger impact, I 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.600 still look at a veteran like Brandon Cooks, especially with 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.239 this offense how it's been playing or not playing. Rather, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:11.600 I think he just kind of adds a layer that 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.400 this offense desperately needs right now. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.120 Absolutely, I think it's Cooks, I mean, and I'm so 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.639 happy for Kneeling coming back because I kind of felt 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.359 like that he was one or two sacks away from 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.120 really kind of figuring this thing out. Then all of 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.359 a sudden it was going to be six and a 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.639 half sacks. You know that his play was. He went 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.239 from a guy that I really didn't think it was 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.520 a great pass rusher coming out of college, and then 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.720 you watch him at practice and training camp and he 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.520 started working against you know, the Rams, the preseason games, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.920 all those things, and you were kind of encouraged that 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.000 he was kind of figuring some things out. And then 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.520 he gets hurt and unfortunately, so I'm excited about him, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.680 but they need somebody. They need an offensive weapon, and 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.840 you know Cook's route running ability, but to get open, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.360 secure the ball, make plays, they desperately need a guy 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:00.920 like that. He surely can. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.960 Help talk to me about Jordan Lewis, he missed last 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.600 week's game with a neck injury. Yesterday we good here, 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:07.520 should all right? 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:07.800 Good? 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.400 And then obviously two veterans I think they are are okay, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.280 but Eric Kendricks, Ceedee Lamb both limited as well, those 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.440 just vet days. Are we concerned at all about those guys? 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:17.720 No concerns of no. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:18.720 Good all right? 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.279 A couple guys didn't practice at all, Hunter Lipke, Zach Martin, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.440 Tyler Smith, Jake Ferguson. I think that the talk has 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.640 been that Jake probably is not playing this week. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:28.160 That's true. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:29.520 What about those other three? 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.479 Yeah, looking at Zach Martin, going to continue to go 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.000 through the week. Mike McCarthy spoke on it yesterday and 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.239 there were some things today. Today's a big day for 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.760 Zach Martin. So once we come out of today, we'll 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.000 probably be more news tomorrow as far as his availability. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.039 But I think this is a little bit more serious 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.280 than the usual nick and bang that Zach Martin has 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:49.680 gotten used to over the course of the last week. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.120 Nick and Bang, Nick and Bang never heard that, but 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.920 I like, yeah, Nick and Nach or a bang and 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.080 bang I don't know, but Zach Martin's been battling a 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:00.800 lot with his body last time years, but I think 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.359 this one's a little bit more serious than you know, 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.799 the random ankle or shoulder or whatever that he typically 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.560 plays through. This one, you know, he not only had 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.600 the ankle injury, but he kind of got punched in 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.680 the throat in the game too. That was kind of 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.120 the moment where he was on a knee, kind of 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.960 was shaking his head. And so I think a couple 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.880 of those things might be a little bit difficult to 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.080 play through on a short week. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.960 Yeah, yeah, he's the one. The one that they're worried 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.159 about is him Smith. They feel like can be ready 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.159 to go. But but the Martin one when you ask 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.720 over there about you know, well, hey tell me about 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.280 Martin and like what do you what do you want 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.080 to know and where do you want to start kind 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.480 of thing. He's he's been battling through a lot, he 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.520 really really has. And I thought you made some points 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.240 about it yesterday talking about how he's you know, we 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.600 we kind of talk about the level of how he's played, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.960 but it's just man, it's just tough with all the 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.360 injuries that he's had to deal with. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.880 Yeah, I remember a graphic this is many years ago 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.280 we put together on DeMarcus. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.920 Where before all the things that were last. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.680 Yeah, the last year he was here, and it was 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.839 like he had like these little target signal symbols that 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.479 we put on all the different parts of his body 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.200 that were hurt. And I want to say it was 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.280 like seven or eight different areas where it's just like 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.240 injury injury, injury injury, and it's like these veterans man, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.320 they get to point their bodies are just so beat 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.200 up and they really do just need kind of a break. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:16.800 They just need to be able to stop. And if 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.760 they stop for a little bit, some of the stuff 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.080 could actually heal. But when you're going through a season, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.479 there is no stop, There is no pause button you 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.440 can just you got to keep going through, at least 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.240 how they look at it. Got to keep going through. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.279 And that's what he's doing. He's battling through. And you 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.520 respect him even more for that. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.200 Yeah, I a lot of respect for Zach Martin on 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.719 how he's handling. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.120 This year because I'm sure it's tough. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.400 He talked about and Ota is about how this could 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.880 be his last campaign and how his body's kind of 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.240 not responding to certain things, and you know how it 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.520 has his first ten years, and for the season to 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.200 be going the way it is and him still fighting 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.919 every week and trying to get back on the field 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.520 even in anticipation of three games in ten days, that's 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.800 not easy on anybody, much less his A lot of 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.600 credit to Zach Martin for sticking it through. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.240 Yeah, he's one of those guys. I mean, he's not 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.320 gonna hurt hurt his finger and be like, oh, I'm sorry, guys, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.600 I got something. He's a guy that's he's gonna try 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.400 to be out there no matter what, like, and he's 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:11.960 shown that all. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:12.720 Through this season. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.760 So it's one of those things that sometimes maybe you 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.800 need somebody else to be the one to pull you 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.320 out and sit you down. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.040 Just for your own good. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.560 But curious to see what kind of happens with him 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.240 for the rest of the season, because if he gets 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:33.760 to a point where they're no longer mathematically. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.000 Mathematically yes, yeah, got. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:39.600 There in their run to the Super Bowl, then there's 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:40.720 no point really. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.880 Well that's also the interesting part because if this is 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.680 his last campaign, I don't know that he wants to 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.040 finish it on ir right, So that's where you you 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.120 probably have to you want it, You probably should deframe 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:58.520 playing for players. They're playing for seventeen games. They're playing 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.280 because when has been Parcels used to say during football season, 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:03.840 football players playing football. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.440 But that's he's not like any other player, like you 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.280 know where his career is gonna lead to after he 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.320 leaves and all that. So it depends where you're at physically, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.480 because if your body is hurting, like, what's the point 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.960 of you putting yourself through that? You don't you have 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.320 nothing else to prove. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.040 Other than it is it maybe the last time he 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.040 puts on pads for the rest of his life, And 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.400 that is something when you're giving that up and you've 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.200 done it all your life, that's something that I think 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.960 can motivate you to say, I don't care that we're 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.199 not playing for championship this year. It is my last. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.080 These are the last few times I had to suit 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.760 up with the guys I call my brothers in this battle, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.120 and I won a battle. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.840 He signed up for seventeen weeks. Yeah, that's that's really 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.120 how it. We're And you make a really good point, though, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:47.760 you really do. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.839 That's the logical point it is, it's very like. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.080 Why why do we keep why do you do you? 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.840 But for him, you know, I just remember players like 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.400 we had a guy Eddie George, Derek remember Eddie George. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.800 I don't know if you ever remember Eddie George running back. Okay, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.240 Eddie George. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.240 He wasn't aund for that, yes, weren't. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.719 Around, but Eddie George. We had Eddie George here and 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.280 it was the end of his career and he had 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.880 a streak of a consecutive streak of starting for running back. 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.840 It was a really impressive streak and we got the 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.040 bright idea to inactivate him one weekend, yeah, you know, 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.760 and it ended his streak for what you know, and 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.760 that ruined him. That just ruined him because he was playing. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.520 He was so he was so such pride about playing 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.120 every week in that streak, and one weekend we decided, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.960 now we're going to activate somebody else because the head 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.240 coach wanted to, you know, to prove a point, and 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.200 it was not there was no reason to just let 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.800 the guy keep playing, you know. And that's that's what 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.800 these players do. They sign up, especially the really good ones. Yeah, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.720 the really good ones know that like Derek says that, hey, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.120 there's gonna be a time where I'm thirty three years 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.240 old and I'm not going to put a uniform on anymore. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.079 That's still a young guy. Yeah, you know reasonably, that's 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.720 a young guy. So you want you want to have 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.319 that memory. You want to You don't want to go 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.720 out like Eddie George did, where all of a sudden, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.440 you know, people you know are looking at you and 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.360 you're like, oh, I can't do it anymore, But but 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.960 you keep playing, you keep playing, And I think that's 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:13.080 where I think that's. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:18.960 Where Zac only he really knows his decision. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.160 He can or can it. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.920 We should have left it up to Eddie George to 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.000 keep playing, which he did. He wanted to play. We 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.360 took that away from him that one day and it 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.040 wrecked his streak. You know where he could have gone 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.400 out as you know, not Eddie George to finished with 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.959 the Dallas Cowboys. That wasn't any good at the end. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.360 It was man Eddie George, the warrior who played up 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.040 one hundred and fifty something straight games at running back. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.400 You know, That's how he should have been remembered, not 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.600 by a guy that had ended his career with the 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.160 Cowboys and ended the streak with the Cowboys. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.560 Not only did Zach Martin sign up for seventeen games, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.040 he signed up to be a leader for this team. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.840 I would be shocked if he does not care about 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.559 the future of this team, especially as it pertains to 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:02.320 the offensive line. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:03.559 Young guys like Tyler Smith. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.120 Tyler Guidon spoke to Guidon in a locker room yesterday 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.680 about how Zach Martin has been helping him through this season. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.720 So there's still a lot of value in Zach Martin 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.440 being on the field, even if it might not get 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.160 seen this year. He could see value and what he 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.800 puts into the field this year in these seven remaining games, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.160 being remnant effects down the line whenever this team can win. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.120 So I think the older I get to, the more 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.440 I realize because I go through it now, I'm starting 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.679 to go through it in my life. You start realizing 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.920 there are things that you have to give up because 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.880 your body just can't do them anymore. And I think 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.520 that's a hard thing to do. And I'm not a 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.679 professional athlete, obviously, I never I haven't done this all 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.560 my life. But there are things as you get older 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.520 you start realizing, Man, I just can't do this anymore, 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.720 and you really want to do it everything in you 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.079 want to do it. It's just something you have a 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.240 passion for, you love, and you start realizing there is 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.920 an end date on it all, Like there's an expiration 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.880 date when it comes to the things that you want 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.600 to be able to do, and you're going to have 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.600 to walk away from some of those things at some point. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.880 That's why it really touches me for somebody like Zach 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.079 and seeing him go through this right now, go through 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.679 this season, go through these injuries and get to the end, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.960 and I'm like, the right thing to do as an 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.440 organization for a guy who has given you so much 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.520 throughout his career is to let him be able to say, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.360 if I can figure out a way to gut it 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.920 out and get out there, let him get gutted out 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:21.600 and get out there. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.440 Yea, even though that it might be hurting the team. 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.839 Yeah, And quite frankly, I would actually look at it 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.360 a little differently if they were playing for something. Back 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.880 to your point, amber if they were literally right now 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.200 in a situation where they're battling for the division, I 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.640 might be like, hey, you know, Zach, Hey are you 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.000 looking at the best of the team or what's best 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:42.560 for you. Maybe you have to go with what's best 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.040 for the team. But the fact that that isn't the case, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.719 I think now I would even be more so like, hey, man, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.160 if this is what you want to do, if you 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.600 feel like you can figure it out and you can 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.640 get out there, hey I'm going to be behind you. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.160 And oh yeah. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.600 And I mean not to keep this conversation going so long. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.800 But the way I see it, again, like I said, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.800 personal decision for him. Let him make that decision. But 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.240 it's one of those things that if you're out of 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.079 the run, if it gets to that point and then 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.360 you're already getting beat because of the injuries that you're 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.240 dealing with, you know, that could potentially lead to something worse. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.120 You've gotten through your career to this point of your 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.880 career where you haven't had anything major, major, like really 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.520 affect you in that way, and now you're out there 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.720 and who knows what kind of injury that you getting 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.359 beat can lead to to where now that can potentially 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.960 affect the rest of your life. You know, because he's 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.360 a dad, he has young kids and all that. So 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.440 I'm saying, like I don't know again, live it up 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.400 to him. We'll see. But either way, whatever the decision is, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:53.599 whether he plays or don't play, I'll support and that 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.840 it goes back and wishing the best regardless. 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.200 No doubt doub All right, we're gonna take our first break. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:13:59.800 We'll come back. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.079 We'll dive into this Washington defense and some of the 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.920 challenges there and some of the opportunities because they're both 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:07.920 when you look at this defense we'll be doing when 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.720 we come back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radial. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.800 Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.800 Cheetah Savannah. 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All right, Washington Defense. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.359 Right now, they are fifth in passing defense, only giving 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.600 up one hundred and eighty four yards per game. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:22.320 Through the year. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.000 They are also eighth right now in sacks with twenty nine. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.400 Who are the best pass rushers in how they match 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.000 up against this offensive line. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.000 It's funny you look at Dante Fowlers at Darren's armsto. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.480 You know, right, Dante Fowers had a hell of a year. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.000 Franky Louv too. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.879 Absolutely, People forget Fowler was a first round pick. This 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.240 has been a player since he's a player. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.159 I think it's more so just like in comparison to 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.560 what he was in Dallas, which he was good in Dallas, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.800 but it was very situational. He didn't get many snaps 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.719 and I mean I think back to the force fumble 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.760 that led to Leyton Van de Rush's final touchdown in 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.280 his final full game. I think it was his only 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.359 touchdown in his final full game. He had his moments 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.040 in Dallas, but it looked like that they were trying 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.960 to maximize his athleticism by keeping him fresh throughout the 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.000 entirety of games, whereas Washington throws him on the field 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.280 and is like, Okay, go be as athletic as you 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.840 can on as many snaps as you can. And now 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:14.200 he's on. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:14.960 A Pro Bowl pace. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.879 So this is eight and a half. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.320 Yeah, give me, give me one moment a lot, But. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:22.880 I think, yeah, I think he had eight and a half. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.399 I think Frankie Lulu has seven. I think it's what 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:25.880 they got. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.800 Yeah, he gets after the quarterback, but it's it's the 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.159 athleticism that's that's really maximized. And I think that's probably 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.000 the concern that you look at whenever you look eight 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.120 and a half, Yes, whenever you look at how these 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.360 tackles could defend him. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.679 Is he better at this point? He's playing better as 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:42.800 a pass rusher than. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.280 Armstrong in my opinion, yes, yeah, absolutely. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:46.960 I think Armstrong is your guy that can get in 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.400 the backfield in the run game and is still definitely 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.679 a contributor there. I like this front. This front is 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.760 still learning, it's still young. Outside of Armstrong and Fulor, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.840 it's still young. But I do like this front. I 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.040 think think there's some there's some gaps in the middle 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.000 that I think you could exploit. But overall, I think 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:05.960 I think they've done. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:06.359 A good job. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.760 Yeah, Nick's gut, I'm absolutely right. I mean they they 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.720 They did have a big loss and Jonathan Allen went 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.160 out and he got hurt in the UH the Baltimore game. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.159 He tore peck muscles, so he's done. But Newton there, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.000 the rookie from UH from Illinois, is a nice player 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.440 for me that you know. Deron Payin, we've talked about him. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.919 He's been a pain and you know what, UH for 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.520 the Cowboys for some time. You know that for a 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.439 while there, they got rid of all their pass rushers 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.439 last year. Remember they shipped all those guys off. And 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.679 all of a sudden, Dan Quinn comes in. He's like, Okay, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.360 I think it's interesting to me. And I think Nick 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.280 makes a really good point about this. The fact that 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.840 they're playing Fowler like full time. If he was here 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.040 in Dallas, and with the injuries that Dallas has on 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.440 the edge, that might be your best pass rusher. Wait, well, 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.160 of course, Michael Parsons, But did you know Fowler playing 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.879 more snaps for them, and he doesn't look like he 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.120 gets beat down, war down and all that. I mean, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.360 they're actually rushing him off the right side and he'll 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.399 flip sides. But they make Armstrong and Armstrong has always 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.800 kind of been a right side player, you know, So 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.760 they've put Armstrong on the left side and let Fowler 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:20.359 rush from the right side there. And he's explosive, he's quick. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.720 They run games. But they I mentioned Frankie Louvo and 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.120 he came from the Carolina Panthers. Dallas played him last year. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.200 He's one of the better players we talked about at Carolina. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.760 So he signs as an unrestricted free agent. Quinn's using 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.800 him or Joe Witt. They're using him like they use 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.680 Michael Parsons. You know, he's like he's a linebacker. Off ball, 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.680 he stands up. They put him in the middle, he 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.400 rushes a gap. Sometimes he'll go on the outside. It's 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.840 not a hand down guy, but they kind of move 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.679 him around, and when you start talking about him and 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:57.080 Bobby Wagner, they got two linebackers that create pressure. You know, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.359 they bring and they've been blitzing a lot more there. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.760 Their numbers they weren't the first five weeks of the season. 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.480 They their pressure numbers were not great, and then all 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.400 of a sudden, Joe Witt started blitzing more and they 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.680 went from near the bottom of the league to the 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.720 top of the league when it came to pressures off 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.480 blitz and so. And a lot of it has to 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.760 do with the ability to get to like say Payne Newton. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.080 Those guys pushed the middle, Fowler Armstrong off the edge, 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.000 Frankie Luvu he'll rush sometimes and be effective. And then 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.399 Bobby Wagner rush sometimes. You know, if you look at 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.960 if you look at this secondary you're talking about pass defense. 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:37.840 I'll tell you what there's I see why they made 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.200 the Marshawn Lattimore trade, which hasn't they haven't played with 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.760 him yet because they've got a rookie in Mike Standers 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.760 still who's playing. But if you look at quarterback ratings 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.840 against these guys, teams have had some success throwing the 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:58.919 ball on these corners and then uh Bcnogany he's playing 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.760 the nickel for him, and so yeah, no, okay, I 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.320 mean that's that's my but that's what I'm saying. No, 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.920 it's it's there's possible. The pass rush is good, which 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:15.159 helps their past defense because they they they you know 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:19.360 Dan plays. We all seen Dan play. It's twisting, it's Russian. 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.560 It's putting two good rushers on one side and Russian 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.080 it's blitzing a linebacker through. You know. But these corners, 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.040 there's another thing I was watching. I went back and 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.120 watched every touchdown they gave it up, gave up, had 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.920 given up. They give a five touchdowns to tight ends 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.399 in the red zone. You know. So you talk about 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.120 safety play, Jeremy Chen and Kwan Martin and those guys, 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.720 they they've they've struggled with teams that have Now here's 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:52.480 your guy. Unfortunately he's you know, Ferguson is is banged up, 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:56.760 and game it could be could be you know, the 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:01.080 Michigan Wolverine Legacy game. But yeah, so to me, there's 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.639 opportunities here. But this front makes it really and you 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.920 said it, he liked the front. You're absolutely right about 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.520 liking this front. But I do feel like that kind 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:15.600 of with with Saint Jews and you know, and Sanders 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.520 Still and those guys. They've given up some stuff. You 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:20.639 know that there's been quarterbacks have had some pretty good 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.760 ratings against them, but the pressure's been hard to deal with. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.879 I think if I was going up against this secondary, 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.320 the guy that I would be maybe not trying to avoid, 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.600 but the guy that I think I would rely on 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.560 him being in his spot when he needs to more 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:33.040 often than not. 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:33.760 As Jeremy Chin. 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.600 I do like what Jeremy Chen not only brings in coverage, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.160 but he'll step up in the run game and lay 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.040 hat on you too. He does a really good job 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:42.680 covering in the middle of the field from their strong 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:48.600 safety position. I've liked this secondary at times, and then 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.040 there's times where I'm like, this secondary is still reeling 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:51.840 from being so. 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.360 Bad last year. Yeah, I think, Yeah, they go. 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.480 After a guy like Emmanuel Forbes Junior in the first 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.520 round back in twenty twenty three, and he. 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.160 Just hasn't paid out for them. 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.359 I look at how they threw him on the field 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.120 early last year, kind of to how Dallas has thrown 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:08.080 Tyler Guidon onto the field early this year. In the 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.560 sense of like maybe those guys weren't ready, and I 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.520 think it kind of stunted Forbes growth. I'm not gonna 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.760 speak on guidance just yet. I think he's still got 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.440 a ways to go, but I think it's stunted Forbes 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.200 growth in some instances, and he's just not physical enough 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:21.320 at the end of the day. And now you see 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:23.959 a guy like Saint just who comes in and has 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.159 kind of overtaken him in the depth chart, and you 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:27.720 look at some of these other young guys that they're 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.119 trying to put around them, Tyler Owens, Mike Sanders still, 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.200 and then that's why they go get Latimore. Like you said, 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:33.920 Latimore did not practice yesterday. 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.040 Hamstring, right, yeah, hamstring. 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.960 So this is a game where Brandon Cooks can come back. 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:43.200 He's gonna be used, yeah, because he's a guy that 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:44.720 can not only get open across the middle of the 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:46.760 field and maybe account for a guy like Jeremy chan 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:48.800 As the veteran presence he is, but he could also 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:49.360 get downfield. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:50.639 Now, can Cooper rush get the ball to him? 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.520 This different question, but I think I think having Brandon 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.680 Cooks in a game like this would certainly benefit this team. 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.720 Can I ask him a draft question real quick? Sure, 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:58.840 not for this draft. 0:24:58.560 --> 0:24:59.080 But there we go. 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:04.359 No, no, no, but Forbes, Yeah, do we now have 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:09.600 to think about slightly built corners that play in this league? 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:10.160 Cool? 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:11.560 After what you saw with Forbes. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.040 I mean Nate Wiggins is also from Baltimore. He was 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.359 a first round pick out of Clemson or second second 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.080 round pick first round, so somewhere in there out of Clemson. 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.040 He's another guy I think that you look at he 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.560 was one hundred and sixty five pounds the comount. But yes, 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.400 this is a physical league, and I think with especially 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.080 with the way defenses are playing up on receivers now 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.719 and having success doing so, is throwing physicality on these 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.639 receiving cours. And if you don't have a guy that 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.679 can throw a hat around, then you better be step 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.440 first step mirroring those routes every single time. 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.240 Yeah, I don't say, And that's the tough thing to do. 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.560 There's only about three corners I can think of that 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:46.560 can actually do that. 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:48.679 That's one of those interesting things. I was having this 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.000 conversations weekend with someone about Travis Hunter and they were like, 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:53.919 where do you play him? And I was like, you know, 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.679 I don't know. And the one that they made was 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.640 he's really slight, and how does that one hundred eighty yeah, 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:02.880 how does that affect whether he should be a cornerback 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.159 or whether he should be a receiver. And maybe, to 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.160 your point, Brian, maybe that is what makes team's sake. 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.720 Put him at receiver first, put him at corner receiver both. 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:12.960 I'm doing both. 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.800 I'm not playing him at both the entirety of a game. Yeah, 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:17.800 but I'm gonna play him here when we need him 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.480 and I'm gonna play him here when we need him there. 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.840 Like you use both of those abilities. But that's a 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:23.119 that's a. 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.440 Draft, that's a whole different conversation. 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:29.080 That's a Sorry, by the way, you've seen East Carolina here, Yo, 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.880 let's talk about he's good. I mean, for Herod's name, 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:34.160 good player. Okay. 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.600 We talked about the challenge. The challenge obviously, there's defensive 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.919 front and trying to stop their pass rush. Here's the opportunity. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.920 Right now, they are thirtieth in the league and rush 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.679 defense they are averaging giving up five yards per rush attempt, 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.359 thirty first in the NFL in that area. They've allowed 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.440 one hundred yards plus rushing every game except for one 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.320 this year. They've given up one hundred and fifty plus 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.760 in five games this year, and there have been two 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.560 times they've given up two hundred yards plus. Yeah, where 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.200 are they most vulnerable in the run. 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.480 For that, I say in the middle. I say in 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.440 the middle. It's young in the middle with guys like 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.440 Jerseon Newton. You do have Deron payin in the middle, 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.000 but I think that's where you can find some success. 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:20.000 This is personnel aside. You see some mirroring between last 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.440 year's dan Quinn defense in Dallas and this year's defense 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.920 dan Quinn defense in Washington. Now, again personnel aside, because 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.560 there are some similar personnel guys. But I think overall 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:34.520 dan Quinn's specialty is getting after the quarterback in pass 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:38.240 rush and maximizing athleticism in pass rush. Well, when you're 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.679 maximizing athleticism in pass rush, then you're not maximizing physicality 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.919 and stopping the run. So I think you see the 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.439 similarities there, and I think you attack it in the 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.600 same sense. Now, does Dallas have the offensive personnel to 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:56.120 over physical over physical those guys, then I don't necessarily 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.520 believe so, especially if a guy like Zach Martin is 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.760 not playing. I look at a guy like Bobby Wagner, 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.720 that might be that that guy that you have to 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.480 get through to find success in the run game overall. 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.600 But there are some instances where you can find some success, 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.840 not only in the middle, but if you can somehow 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.720 get outside and not let these edges seal seal the edges, 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:18.760 then I think you can get outside and one on 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.680 one with these corners. These corners aren't going to tackle. 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.600 Or no, they're not. They're not, they're not. So yeah, 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.240 you look at it. He's absolutely right to me that 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.679 if you block Bobby Wagner, there's your there's your chance 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.280 right there, because he's your leading tackler when it comes 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.080 to run stops. I mean, he's got seventy tackles. And 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.480 then and then what's funny is it starts to be 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:43.520 their safeties. Because that's a that's pretty that's pretty telling 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.240 right there, that all of a sudden it goes linebackers to. 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.000 Safeties, not defensive tackle defensive tackling. 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:53.120 Yeah, yeah, it's it's so that that shows you that 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.080 they deal a lot with having to you know, to 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:57.640 to do in the in the in the running game, 0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:58.120 they do. 0:28:58.080 --> 0:28:59.040 A heavy box a lot. 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.760 I didn't, you know, it's funny. I didn't look at 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:04.400 that part. I could look up here at the break, 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.360 but I didn't look up. I didn't look up because 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.959 I didn't think. Because Dan had always played with the 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.360 safety and stuff like that, so you'all naturally think, but 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.360 they don't play with the safe. He did it because 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.200 he didn't have linebackers. But I'll look it up here 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.160 at the break. What I thought was interesting is, you know, 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.480 just if you look at a metrics thing, this team 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.200 gives up more rushing first downs than even the Cowboys. 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.920 That tells you something, you know, when you look at it. 0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.520 I mean, they've given up. They gave up ninety three. 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.520 They were the tops in the league when it comes 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.680 to giving up first downs by rush, you know. And 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.080 Dallas is right there with him, and and we all 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.400 understand how bad Dallas's run defenses, and how many times 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.880 it feels like it's they're giving up first downs every 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.800 time somebody hands them the ball. The Commanders are worse 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.080 at it than the Cowboys are even so that's something 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.280 to kind of keep an eye on. But can you 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.120 run the ball, can you block the front? Can you 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.640 block Bobby Wagner. That's the big issue here. 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.320 Is this a game you would elevate Dalvin Cook? 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.080 You know he's gotten I mean really over the last 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:07.960 few weeks. It just seems like all of a sudden, 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.360 it's like everybody's thinking, you ask him to get him in, 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.680 and then they finally make him active and get him in, 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:14.280 and then all of a sudden, it was like, yeah, nah, 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:15.120 we're not going to do that. 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:16.200 Yeah. 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.520 It's it's if this is a if this is a 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.280 defense that you think you can get around and you 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.040 can find success in outside zone, then I'm activating Dalwin Cook. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.200 You asked that every week, you asked for outside zone 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:26.640 every week? 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.200 True, you do, especially against a defense like this, I 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:31.600 got because I don't trust this sidery. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:35.480 I stopped. I stopped asking for outside zone Dalvin Coach. 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:36.200 Well, but let me ask you this. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.880 At this point, I think ric o'dowdell can do it 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.160 if if you don't, necessarily the question is just can 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:45.080 you can you go into a game and say we're 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.640 going to commit to run the ball at Rico down 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.160 because even in this last game, it's numbers weren't great, 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.360 but they didn't give them ball much and maybe it 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:53.239 got away from him. Who knows. I think maybe they 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.200 got away from the running a little quick. But the 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.680 fact of the matter is, like you, if you're going 0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.360 to go into a game, this seems like the kind 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:00.920 of game you Sho would be able to go into 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.360 and say, we are going to be committed to running 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.560 the ball because the last thing we want is for 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.880 that team to start figuring out that they're just gonna 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:09.880 come and rush our passer, because that ain't gonna be 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:10.440 a good outcome. 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.840 Derek, this would be a great game to Trey Lance 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.000 to run the ball a bunch, and. 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:15.000 I'm with you on that too. 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.000 You know what I'm saying, a team that can't play 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.320 run defense, and you're gonna go in here and you're 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.840 probably gonna throw the ball fifty times with Cooper rush again. 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.640 You know, Okay, then then that's what I'm saying. This 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.800 is a game where I don't know. 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:32.600 If that's the case, then we need to have another 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.280 Travis Hunter conversation next Monday. 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.840 I'm just saying though that that to me is this 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.760 is what coaching is. Go try and take advantage of 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.760 something that's not working for the other team. You know, 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.120 he every week. He asks that, hey, well run the 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.400 ball here, run the ball here. Run They don't run 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.440 the ball here. You know, how do you watch? How 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.520 do you watch these games? And we break it down 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.920 and you see Carrie after Carrie after Carrie after Carrie. 0:31:58.400 --> 0:31:59.880 They're watching the same damn film. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:00.360 Mm hm. 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.040 You know, how can you not sit there and say, man, 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.880 they'll look very good. They're at on the edge. They 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:06.280 really look like they're trying to get up the field. 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.280 They're getting kicked out a bunch here. You know, it's 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.480 like me watching the down in the red zone. It 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.840 seems like the tight ends catching touchdowns every time. But 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:14.720 do you think they'll throw a ball to a tight 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.920 end down there at no? Yeah. 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.160 Yeah, let's sake our final break. Let's come back. We 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.560 got some questions lined up. 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Maybe maybe two maybe two throws the span 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.920 Ford and the other nine to you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.120 I mean try and find ways. I'm not just talking 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.480 about getting the ball at or near the line of scrimmage. 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.360 Work some combination routes with him, you know, try and 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.120 free him. You know, see if you can see if 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.279 you could get some stuff with you know, if you 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:42.920 could bring him on some cross and stuff, you can 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.040 hit him on the move. That fourth down pass he 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.160 had against Atlanta they came back, they could have thrown 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.560 at the game against the Falcons, they could have against 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.439 the Eagles, they could have done it and they didn't 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.960 hit him. Guy finds a way to get open. I 0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.160 throw him the football if I could. He's he's one 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.319 of the legitimate play He. 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:05.160 Was just jogging like that wasn't even the fastest he 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.560 was running, So expect him to be a lot faster 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.359 and hopefully but these things that we always ask for 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:16.080 is just it never happens. And that's what drives me 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:20.560 crazy and like insane because I feel like we watch 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:25.480 something completely different than they watch. But then they're the experts. 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.840 So then I'm like, wait, like why am I like? 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.560 Are we watching the same game? Are we watching the 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.560 same plays? But again, I am sure they have their 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:41.359 reasonings and there's a something reason why to why they 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.800 choose to play the way they play. But like an example, 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.120 going back to you, I know we've always talked about 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.359 lip Key for the longest time, and we've seen him 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.520 a little bit here and there throughout the season, but 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.239 it's never been like a commitment to use like your 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.600 best players or these players that can be a lot 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.080 more dynamic. And he's one of those guys that is 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.480 very quick, very he can make those cuts and you 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.120 just get him the ball. And not to switch back 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:13.000 the conversation, but when in the last segment that you 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.359 were talking about committing to the run, I'm just thinking, 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.600 I'm like, Okay, we keep asking them to commit to 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:22.319 the run, but then more often there than not, the 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:27.200 runs are unsuccessful. So it's like, why would you keep 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:32.040 trying to run the ball when you're continuously being unsuccessful 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:32.359 with it? 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.279 My thought would be number one, I think you have 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.960 to think about how are you running the ball? H 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.640 Are there some more creative ways that you can try 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.160 to run the ball? Going to Brian's point about maybe 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.120 using Trey lance a little bit more, I think there 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.359 are things, you know, right, there are things you can 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.919 do to change up what you do. It doesn't mean 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.879 just keep doing the you know, power to the wall, 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.120 power run right up behind the guard, like if it's 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:58.040 not working, it's such work. 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.120 Commanders doing it works yeah for them. 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.200 But but I'm saying, like find find some other ways 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.840 to do it. You know, I've seen some lesser skilled 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:08.400 teams run the ball effectively against Dallas. Particularly, go back 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.839 to that Arizona game last year. They ran the ball 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:13.759 at will. They didn't do that to most teams in 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:15.640 the league, but they found a creative way to do 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.920 it against Dallas, taking advantage of some of the stuff 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.919 that they knew Dallas wanted to do, and they gash them. 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.000 I think there are some ways you can figure it 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.000 out to be able to really if you're going to 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.280 commit to the run, to really be able to effectively 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.560 run the ball. And I just don't know that they've 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:30.280 done that enough. 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.120 Well, we'll keep waiting on it. 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.399 We'll see if this is the weekend, Like. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.239 Guys, tell me when you're in your press box, see 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.879 tell me next week if they did what you wanted 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:40.360 to do. 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.279 Yeah, the numbers say this is the week where you 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.000 should at least consider it, right, you know, you should 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.399 at least do something to try that. All right, let's 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.399 go on to the next question. This question is from 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:53.280 Bill bourn K. He says no, starting two rookies was risky, 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:57.000 but any way to determine if if poor line offensive 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:01.080 line play is due to coaching scheme, coaching scheme, or 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.839 misevaluating talent. Even with the three vets. 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.920 Going all three, I'm not going misevaluating just yet. 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.600 I think the thing about it is it really hurt 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:15.200 them that their right tackle took a step back, and 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.520 then the and then the drastic fall of your right guard, 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:23.719 coupled with the rookie center who's never played center, I 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.240 think the biggest learning curve. And the kid's gotten better. 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.319 Guidan's gotten better at left tackle, Yeah, he really has. 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.120 It's you know, is it to the point where you know, 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.000 is it is it like watching Tyler Smith play out 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.360 there his rookie year. No, but I think that that 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:43.560 just the right side of the offensive line. How quickly 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.560 it fell off. I think there's some things with the 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.920 you know, with the coaching as well. I think the scheme, 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.560 particularly Derek, we just talked about it the previous question. 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.239 I think there's things about the scheme that you have 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.799 to question that probably aren't right, probably not conducive to 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:03.160 how you're playing. So I man, I'm a I hate 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.279 to be a ride the fence guy. I do feel 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.719 like it's all the above. Yeah, you know, just Mark 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.160 D on your scantron for all the above. 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.840 For those out theres who don't know what a scantron is, 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.200 we used to take tests on these things called scantron's mark. 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:20.759 You know, look, I'm not that I'm young Mark D 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.880 for all the above, right, yeah, because that's where this 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.000 thing really at when we do the autopsy. Seriously, when 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.200 we do the autopsy, start in the brain and go 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:30.799 all the way down to the toes, and you're gonna 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.560 figure it out. You know, it's there's a lot of things. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.720 It's not just one thing. There's a lot of things 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:37.680 that's happened to this football team this year. 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:42.640 I think I'm gonna go with coaching and scheme. I'm 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.600 not gonna go with misevaluation just yet. I think there 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.160 are a lot of individual problems happening on the offensive line. 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:49.800 There was a word you said in there that said coupled. 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.440 I think you could couple everything together and it ends 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.239 up being four very big problems that I think you 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.120 have upfront. We could start at left tackle. I'm under 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.279 the impression that your left tackle is not the guy 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.040 you wanted to start Week one, but you had to. 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.359 I think the plan was to start too many dooga 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.479 at left tackle, because you see whenever too many doga 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.960 is starting to get worked back in. Mike McCarthy says, yes, yes, 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.279 that's gonna throw a healthy competition back into that role. 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.719 He was starting at left tackle up until he got 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.880 hurt in training camp, and everyone was kind of looking around, like, 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:19.719 all right, so wins Tyler gott even run with the ones. 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:20.920 I don't think he ever was going to. 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.840 I think he was going to get snaps, absolutely, but 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.080 I don't think they wanted to throw him out there 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.760 with just fourteen career starts and start at left tackle 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.640 without playing the position in Week one against Miles Garrett. 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:32.560 I don't think that was the plan. 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:33.840 That's an interesting point. 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:34.280 Left guard. 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.279 I think your left guard is accounting for a lot 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.000 of things happening around him. I think he's playing well. 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:41.799 I don't think he's playing as well as he was 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:43.759 last year, but I think he had better pieces around 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:45.520 him last year. Your center is a rookie who was 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.560 still trying to figure things out. I think he's gonna 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.719 be a good player. I think he is, but he 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.440 is having that rookie curve where okay, hey, definitely when 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:54.920 you look up in five years, and you look at 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.359 all five years on a window, you could be like, Okay, yeah, 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.160 that was his rookie year, but I think he's going 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.759 to have a good start to his career. Your right 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.920 guard is is coming down a little bit, and as 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.080 we've talked about on this show, and your right tackle 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.080 is not playing well at all, and unfortunately, I think 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.840 that's a that's a situation where you're gonna have to 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:14.840 look at it from from a holistic approach in the 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.120 offseason and figure out is that the guy for the future. 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.920 But when you pair all that together, I think you 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:21.880 have a big problem. It doesn't matter what the coaching 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.200 or the scheme is at that point, but I think 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.640 when you do look at the scheme, this is a heavy, 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:32.120 heavy zone scheme offensive line. And I think this type 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.600 of offensive line needs to be gap schemed because I 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.200 think if you have young guys up front with a 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.200 running game that is not necessarily producing at the level 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:41.839 that you want it to, make it a little bit 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.239 less complex, make it a gap scheme offensive line. 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:45.399 And it just hasn't been so far. 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:46.680 Explain gap scheme. 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.200 Yeah, gap scheme going after one guy on the defensive line, 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.719 shout with Jerry Madaline, That's what I. 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.439 Was thinking when you started talking about gap scheme. 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:55.719 Gap scheme is basically you're lining up on the other 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:57.279 side of the line of scrimmage and you're going after 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.439 one guy. Where a zone is zone scheme, you're going 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.680 after an air and you're trying to push guys that 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.319 are out of that area. But that's where things can 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.799 get complicated. Really good offensive lineman can do that well. 0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.759 I think they do that because you have a guy 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.080 like Zach Martin and they've just been used to doing 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:11.840 that because you had a Tyrone Smith, you had a 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.839 Zach Martin, you had a Tyler Biadis who was good at. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.240 Times and doing zone scheme stuff. 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.040 But I think now whenever you have young offensive linemen 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:20.480 and you're having to account for a lot of things 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:23.719 happening around you, that zone scheme can get really complicated. 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.120 And also you don't have a running back in your 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:30.360 backfield who I think can I identify those gaps a 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.280 little bit quicker than guys you've had in the past. 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.840 And that's where I have a problem with this whole situation. 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.319 It's like, what have you tried to do differently to 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.520 see if it works? To see if it helps them 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:46.360 be better. You haven't, and you keep just running the 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:51.160 same things every time basically without being successful. And it's 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:56.040 just like, try to help him differently. You rely on 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.240 two younger players on youth there, which is not ideal 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:03.160 on unoffensive line, but I think in their moments, I mean, 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.960 they've done okay, like enough. 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:08.760 For what they are right now in their career. 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:12.160 And then with Terrence Steele, the question is like it 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.319 always makes me wonder. I'm like, why you've seen him 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.600 be better, You've seen him be a solid guy, So 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.320 what happened there? Exactly? Why are you regressing so much? 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.920 You don't all of a sudden just lose power, lose 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:31.160 muscle in that way, lose the ability to know where 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.319 to place your arms and do the type of work 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.000 and like get beat up every single time. So I 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.959 and he's as far as I know healthy, like coming 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.359 from last year, I remember him saying he's and they 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.120 always say the same thing, like I felt, I feel 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.799 the best I've ever felt. I feel the best I've 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.120 ever felt. But that leads me just because I've seen 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.120 him be better and play better, it leads me to 0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.719 think it's a coaching thing. It's a scheme thing that 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.240 is just not working out for them. 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.840 Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys. Join us back tomorrow. 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.840 We'll wrap this thing up. Get you guys ready for 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.000 Cowboys Versus Commanders to Leven for Nick Harris. Brian brought 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:09.960 us at Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.800 The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.759 This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:19.920 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.