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Speaker 7: I'm feeling great, man, I had such a great night's

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Speaker 7: go and uh, let's do it. Let's talk some Cowboys football.

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Speaker 7: We got a lot of injuries to go through. This

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Speaker 7: might take an entire secment. We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 7: But later in the show we're going to get into

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Speaker 7: the Washington defense versus the Cowboys offense. We've got some

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Speaker 7: and I'll try to get to some more questions if

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Speaker 7: start with the injury report. Let's start with some of

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Speaker 7: the guys that are returning from injury, Deron Bland, Chum Doga,

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Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks, Marshawn Neeland. What are we hearing about them

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Speaker 7: and the possibilities of them playing this weekend? Knowing Deron

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Speaker 7: Blam was full participant, Yes.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it sounds like Deron Blands in line to make

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Speaker 9: his season debut on Sunday, which will obviously be big

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Speaker 9: for Mike Zimmer's defense, it would be the first time

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Speaker 9: he gets to utilize them in a game. As far

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Speaker 9: as Brandon Cooks and Marshaw Neeland go, as long as

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Speaker 9: the expectation is that they could be lifted off of

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Speaker 9: the IR now. As far as corresponding roster moves, that's

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Speaker 9: with maybe a guy like Chew Maidoga because you look

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Speaker 9: at Marquis Bell, He's expected to go on the IR

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Speaker 9: with his shoulder dislocation that's most likely going to require surgery.

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Speaker 8: So you do have one spot you can.

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Speaker 9: Use with Brandon Cooks, Marshaw Neeland, Chew Malidoga, then you

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Speaker 7: Which those guys you think has the biggest outside of Deron,

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Speaker 7: which we know would have an immediate impact. Of those

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Speaker 7: particularly thinking about Brandon Cooks and Marshawn Neelan.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think a case could be made for both,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, looking at Zach Martin, going to continue to go

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Speaker 9: But I think this is a little bit more serious

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's the one. The one that they're worried

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I remember a graphic this is many years ago

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Speaker 6: Where before all the things that were last.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the last year he was here, and it was

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Speaker 7: And that's what he's doing. He's battling through. And you

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I a lot of respect for Zach Martin on

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Speaker 9: He talked about and Ota is about how this could

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he's one of those guys. I mean, he's not

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Speaker 10: I got something. He's a guy that's he's gonna try

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Speaker 10: So it's one of those things that sometimes maybe you

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Speaker 8: Just for your own good.

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Speaker 7: Well that's also the interesting part because if this is

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Speaker 7: probably have to you want it, You probably should deframe

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Speaker 7: playing for players. They're playing for seventeen games. They're playing

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Speaker 10: But that's he's not like any other player, like you

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Speaker 10: because if your body is hurting, like, what's the point

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Speaker 7: Other than it is it maybe the last time he

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Speaker 7: These are the last few times I had to suit

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Speaker 6: He signed up for seventeen weeks. Yeah, that's that's really

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Speaker 6: how it. We're And you make a really good point, though,

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Speaker 7: That's the logical point it is, it's very like.

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Speaker 6: Why why do we keep why do you do you?

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Speaker 6: But for him, you know, I just remember players like

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Speaker 6: we had a guy Eddie George, Derek remember Eddie George.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you ever remember Eddie George running back. Okay,

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Speaker 6: Yea, even though that it might be hurting the team.

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Speaker 10: And I mean not to keep this conversation going so long.

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Speaker 7: Right now, they are fifth in passing defense, only giving

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Speaker 7: They are also eighth right now in sacks with twenty nine.

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Speaker 7: Who are the best pass rushers in how they match

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Speaker 9: It's funny you look at Dante Fowlers at Darren's armsto.

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Speaker 9: You know, right, Dante Fowers had a hell of a year.

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Speaker 6: Franky Louv too.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, People forget Fowler was a first round pick. This

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Speaker 9: I think it's more so just like in comparison to

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Speaker 6: So this is eight and a half.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, give me, give me one moment a lot, But.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he gets after the quarterback, but it's it's the

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Speaker 9: that I think you could exploit. But overall, I think

443
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Speaker 9: I think they've done.

444
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Speaker 8: A good job.

445
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Nick's gut, I'm absolutely right. I mean they they

446
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Speaker 6: They did have a big loss and Jonathan Allen went

447
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,160
Speaker 6: out and he got hurt in the UH the Baltimore game.

448
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,159
Speaker 6: He tore peck muscles, so he's done. But Newton there,

449
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Speaker 6: the rookie from UH from Illinois, is a nice player

450
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Speaker 6: for me that you know. Deron Payin, we've talked about him.

451
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Speaker 6: He's been a pain and you know what, UH for

452
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Speaker 6: the Cowboys for some time. You know that for a

453
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Speaker 6: while there, they got rid of all their pass rushers

454
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Speaker 6: last year. Remember they shipped all those guys off. And

455
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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Dan Quinn comes in. He's like, Okay,

456
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Speaker 6: I think it's interesting to me. And I think Nick

457
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Speaker 6: makes a really good point about this. The fact that

458
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Speaker 6: they're playing Fowler like full time. If he was here

459
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Speaker 6: in Dallas, and with the injuries that Dallas has on

460
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Speaker 6: the edge, that might be your best pass rusher. Wait, well,

461
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Speaker 6: of course, Michael Parsons, But did you know Fowler playing

462
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Speaker 6: more snaps for them, and he doesn't look like he

463
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Speaker 6: gets beat down, war down and all that. I mean,

464
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Speaker 6: they're actually rushing him off the right side and he'll

465
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Speaker 6: flip sides. But they make Armstrong and Armstrong has always

466
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Speaker 6: kind of been a right side player, you know, So

467
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Speaker 6: they've put Armstrong on the left side and let Fowler

468
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Speaker 6: rush from the right side there. And he's explosive, he's quick.

469
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Speaker 6: They run games. But they I mentioned Frankie Louvo and

470
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Speaker 6: he came from the Carolina Panthers. Dallas played him last year.

471
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Speaker 6: He's one of the better players we talked about at Carolina.

472
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Speaker 6: So he signs as an unrestricted free agent. Quinn's using

473
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Speaker 6: him or Joe Witt. They're using him like they use

474
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Speaker 6: Michael Parsons. You know, he's like he's a linebacker. Off ball,

475
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Speaker 6: he stands up. They put him in the middle, he

476
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Speaker 6: rushes a gap. Sometimes he'll go on the outside. It's

477
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Speaker 6: not a hand down guy, but they kind of move

478
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Speaker 6: him around, and when you start talking about him and

479
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Speaker 6: Bobby Wagner, they got two linebackers that create pressure. You know,

480
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Speaker 6: they bring and they've been blitzing a lot more there.

481
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Speaker 6: Their numbers they weren't the first five weeks of the season.

482
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Speaker 6: They their pressure numbers were not great, and then all

483
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Speaker 6: of a sudden, Joe Witt started blitzing more and they

484
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Speaker 6: went from near the bottom of the league to the

485
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Speaker 6: top of the league when it came to pressures off

486
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Speaker 6: blitz and so. And a lot of it has to

487
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Speaker 6: do with the ability to get to like say Payne Newton.

488
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Speaker 6: Those guys pushed the middle, Fowler Armstrong off the edge,

489
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Speaker 6: Frankie Luvu he'll rush sometimes and be effective. And then

490
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Speaker 6: Bobby Wagner rush sometimes. You know, if you look at

491
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Speaker 6: if you look at this secondary you're talking about pass defense.

492
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what there's I see why they made

493
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Speaker 6: the Marshawn Lattimore trade, which hasn't they haven't played with

494
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Speaker 6: him yet because they've got a rookie in Mike Standers

495
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Speaker 6: still who's playing. But if you look at quarterback ratings

496
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Speaker 6: against these guys, teams have had some success throwing the

497
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Speaker 6: ball on these corners and then uh Bcnogany he's playing

498
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Speaker 6: the nickel for him, and so yeah, no, okay, I

499
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Speaker 6: mean that's that's my but that's what I'm saying. No,

500
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Speaker 6: it's it's there's possible. The pass rush is good, which

501
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Speaker 6: helps their past defense because they they they you know

502
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Speaker 6: Dan plays. We all seen Dan play. It's twisting, it's Russian.

503
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Speaker 6: It's putting two good rushers on one side and Russian

504
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Speaker 6: it's blitzing a linebacker through. You know. But these corners,

505
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Speaker 6: there's another thing I was watching. I went back and

506
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Speaker 6: watched every touchdown they gave it up, gave up, had

507
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Speaker 6: given up. They give a five touchdowns to tight ends

508
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Speaker 6: in the red zone. You know. So you talk about

509
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Speaker 6: safety play, Jeremy Chen and Kwan Martin and those guys,

510
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Speaker 6: they they've they've struggled with teams that have Now here's

511
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Speaker 6: your guy. Unfortunately he's you know, Ferguson is is banged up,

512
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Speaker 6: and game it could be could be you know, the

513
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Speaker 6: Michigan Wolverine Legacy game. But yeah, so to me, there's

514
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Speaker 6: opportunities here. But this front makes it really and you

515
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Speaker 6: said it, he liked the front. You're absolutely right about

516
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Speaker 6: liking this front. But I do feel like that kind

517
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Speaker 6: of with with Saint Jews and you know, and Sanders

518
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Speaker 6: Still and those guys. They've given up some stuff. You

519
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Speaker 6: know that there's been quarterbacks have had some pretty good

520
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Speaker 6: ratings against them, but the pressure's been hard to deal with.

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Speaker 9: I think if I was going up against this secondary,

522
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Speaker 9: the guy that I would be maybe not trying to avoid,

523
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Speaker 9: but the guy that I think I would rely on

524
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Speaker 9: him being in his spot when he needs to more

525
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Speaker 9: often than not.

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Speaker 8: As Jeremy Chin.

527
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Speaker 9: I do like what Jeremy Chen not only brings in coverage,

528
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Speaker 9: but he'll step up in the run game and lay

529
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Speaker 9: hat on you too. He does a really good job

530
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Speaker 9: covering in the middle of the field from their strong

531
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Speaker 9: safety position. I've liked this secondary at times, and then

532
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Speaker 9: there's times where I'm like, this secondary is still reeling

533
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Speaker 9: from being so.

534
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Speaker 8: Bad last year. Yeah, I think, Yeah, they go.

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Speaker 9: After a guy like Emmanuel Forbes Junior in the first

536
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Speaker 9: round back in twenty twenty three, and he.

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Speaker 8: Just hasn't paid out for them.

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Speaker 9: I look at how they threw him on the field

539
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Speaker 9: early last year, kind of to how Dallas has thrown

540
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Speaker 9: Tyler Guidon onto the field early this year. In the

541
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Speaker 9: sense of like maybe those guys weren't ready, and I

542
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Speaker 9: think it kind of stunted Forbes growth. I'm not gonna

543
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Speaker 9: speak on guidance just yet. I think he's still got

544
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Speaker 9: a ways to go, but I think it's stunted Forbes

545
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Speaker 9: growth in some instances, and he's just not physical enough

546
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Speaker 9: at the end of the day. And now you see

547
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Speaker 9: a guy like Saint just who comes in and has

548
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Speaker 9: kind of overtaken him in the depth chart, and you

549
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Speaker 9: look at some of these other young guys that they're

550
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Speaker 9: trying to put around them, Tyler Owens, Mike Sanders still,

551
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Speaker 9: and then that's why they go get Latimore. Like you said,

552
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Speaker 9: Latimore did not practice yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Hamstring, right, yeah, hamstring.

554
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Speaker 9: So this is a game where Brandon Cooks can come back.

555
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Speaker 9: He's gonna be used, yeah, because he's a guy that

556
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Speaker 9: can not only get open across the middle of the

557
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Speaker 9: field and maybe account for a guy like Jeremy chan

558
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Speaker 9: As the veteran presence he is, but he could also

559
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Speaker 9: get downfield.

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Speaker 8: Now, can Cooper rush get the ball to him?

561
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Speaker 9: This different question, but I think I think having Brandon

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Speaker 9: Cooks in a game like this would certainly benefit this team.

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Speaker 6: Can I ask him a draft question real quick? Sure,

564
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Speaker 6: not for this draft.

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Speaker 4: But there we go.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, but Forbes, Yeah, do we now have

567
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Speaker 6: to think about slightly built corners that play in this league?

568
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Speaker 4: Cool?

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Speaker 6: After what you saw with Forbes.

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Speaker 9: I mean Nate Wiggins is also from Baltimore. He was

571
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Speaker 9: a first round pick out of Clemson or second second

572
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Speaker 9: round pick first round, so somewhere in there out of Clemson.

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Speaker 9: He's another guy I think that you look at he

574
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Speaker 9: was one hundred and sixty five pounds the comount. But yes,

575
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Speaker 9: this is a physical league, and I think with especially

576
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Speaker 9: with the way defenses are playing up on receivers now

577
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Speaker 9: and having success doing so, is throwing physicality on these

578
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Speaker 9: receiving cours. And if you don't have a guy that

579
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Speaker 9: can throw a hat around, then you better be step

580
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Speaker 9: first step mirroring those routes every single time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't say, And that's the tough thing to do.

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Speaker 9: There's only about three corners I can think of that

583
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Speaker 9: can actually do that.

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Speaker 7: That's one of those interesting things. I was having this

585
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Speaker 7: conversations weekend with someone about Travis Hunter and they were like,

586
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Speaker 7: where do you play him? And I was like, you know,

587
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Speaker 7: I don't know. And the one that they made was

588
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Speaker 7: he's really slight, and how does that one hundred eighty yeah,

589
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Speaker 7: how does that affect whether he should be a cornerback

590
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Speaker 7: or whether he should be a receiver. And maybe, to

591
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Speaker 7: your point, Brian, maybe that is what makes team's sake.

592
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Speaker 7: Put him at receiver first, put him at corner receiver both.

593
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Speaker 4: I'm doing both.

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Speaker 9: I'm not playing him at both the entirety of a game. Yeah,

595
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Speaker 9: but I'm gonna play him here when we need him

596
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Speaker 9: and I'm gonna play him here when we need him there.

597
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Speaker 8: Like you use both of those abilities. But that's a

598
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Speaker 8: that's a.

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Speaker 7: Draft, that's a whole different conversation.

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Speaker 6: That's a Sorry, by the way, you've seen East Carolina here, Yo,

601
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Speaker 6: let's talk about he's good. I mean, for Herod's name,

602
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Speaker 6: good player. Okay.

603
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Speaker 7: We talked about the challenge. The challenge obviously, there's defensive

604
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Speaker 7: front and trying to stop their pass rush. Here's the opportunity.

605
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Speaker 7: Right now, they are thirtieth in the league and rush

606
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Speaker 7: defense they are averaging giving up five yards per rush attempt,

607
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Speaker 7: thirty first in the NFL in that area. They've allowed

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Speaker 7: one hundred yards plus rushing every game except for one

609
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Speaker 7: this year. They've given up one hundred and fifty plus

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Speaker 7: in five games this year, and there have been two

611
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Speaker 7: times they've given up two hundred yards plus. Yeah, where

612
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Speaker 7: are they most vulnerable in the run.

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Speaker 9: For that, I say in the middle. I say in

614
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Speaker 9: the middle. It's young in the middle with guys like

615
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Speaker 9: Jerseon Newton. You do have Deron payin in the middle,

616
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Speaker 9: but I think that's where you can find some success.

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Speaker 9: This is personnel aside. You see some mirroring between last

618
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Speaker 9: year's dan Quinn defense in Dallas and this year's defense

619
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Speaker 9: dan Quinn defense in Washington. Now, again personnel aside, because

620
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Speaker 9: there are some similar personnel guys. But I think overall

621
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Speaker 9: dan Quinn's specialty is getting after the quarterback in pass

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Speaker 9: rush and maximizing athleticism in pass rush. Well, when you're

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Speaker 9: maximizing athleticism in pass rush, then you're not maximizing physicality

624
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Speaker 9: and stopping the run. So I think you see the

625
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Speaker 9: similarities there, and I think you attack it in the

626
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Speaker 9: same sense. Now, does Dallas have the offensive personnel to

627
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Speaker 9: over physical over physical those guys, then I don't necessarily

628
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Speaker 9: believe so, especially if a guy like Zach Martin is

629
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Speaker 9: not playing. I look at a guy like Bobby Wagner,

630
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Speaker 9: that might be that that guy that you have to

631
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Speaker 9: get through to find success in the run game overall.

632
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Speaker 9: But there are some instances where you can find some success,

633
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Speaker 9: not only in the middle, but if you can somehow

634
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Speaker 9: get outside and not let these edges seal seal the edges,

635
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Speaker 9: then I think you can get outside and one on

636
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Speaker 9: one with these corners. These corners aren't going to tackle.

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Speaker 6: Or no, they're not. They're not, they're not. So yeah,

638
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 6: you look at it. He's absolutely right to me that

639
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 6: if you block Bobby Wagner, there's your there's your chance

640
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 6: right there, because he's your leading tackler when it comes

641
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 6: to run stops. I mean, he's got seventy tackles. And

642
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Speaker 6: then and then what's funny is it starts to be

643
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Speaker 6: their safeties. Because that's a that's pretty that's pretty telling

644
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 6: right there, that all of a sudden it goes linebackers to.

645
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Speaker 4: Safeties, not defensive tackle defensive tackling.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's it's so that that shows you that

647
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 6: they deal a lot with having to you know, to

648
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Speaker 6: to do in the in the in the running game,

649
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Speaker 6: they do.

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Speaker 7: A heavy box a lot.

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Speaker 6: I didn't, you know, it's funny. I didn't look at

652
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Speaker 6: that part. I could look up here at the break,

653
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Speaker 6: but I didn't look up. I didn't look up because

654
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Speaker 6: I didn't think. Because Dan had always played with the

655
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Speaker 6: safety and stuff like that, so you'all naturally think, but

656
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Speaker 6: they don't play with the safe. He did it because

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Speaker 6: he didn't have linebackers. But I'll look it up here

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Speaker 6: at the break. What I thought was interesting is, you know,

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Speaker 6: just if you look at a metrics thing, this team

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Speaker 6: gives up more rushing first downs than even the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: That tells you something, you know, when you look at it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they've given up. They gave up ninety three.

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Speaker 6: They were the tops in the league when it comes

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Speaker 6: to giving up first downs by rush, you know. And

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Speaker 6: Dallas is right there with him, and and we all

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Speaker 6: understand how bad Dallas's run defenses, and how many times

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Speaker 6: it feels like it's they're giving up first downs every

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Speaker 6: time somebody hands them the ball. The Commanders are worse

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Speaker 6: at it than the Cowboys are even so that's something

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Speaker 6: to kind of keep an eye on. But can you

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Speaker 6: run the ball, can you block the front? Can you

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Speaker 6: block Bobby Wagner. That's the big issue here.

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Speaker 8: Is this a game you would elevate Dalvin Cook?

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Speaker 7: You know he's gotten I mean really over the last

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Speaker 7: few weeks. It just seems like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 7: it's like everybody's thinking, you ask him to get him in,

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Speaker 7: and then they finally make him active and get him in,

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Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, it was like, yeah, nah,

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Speaker 7: we're not going to do that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: It's it's if this is a if this is a

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Speaker 9: defense that you think you can get around and you

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Speaker 9: can find success in outside zone, then I'm activating Dalwin Cook.

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Speaker 6: You asked that every week, you asked for outside zone

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Speaker 6: every week?

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Speaker 9: True, you do, especially against a defense like this, I

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Speaker 9: got because I don't trust this sidery.

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Speaker 6: I stopped. I stopped asking for outside zone Dalvin Coach.

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Speaker 4: Well, but let me ask you this.

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Speaker 7: At this point, I think ric o'dowdell can do it

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Speaker 7: if if you don't, necessarily the question is just can

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Speaker 7: you can you go into a game and say we're

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Speaker 7: going to commit to run the ball at Rico down

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Speaker 7: because even in this last game, it's numbers weren't great,

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Speaker 7: but they didn't give them ball much and maybe it

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Speaker 7: got away from him. Who knows. I think maybe they

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Speaker 7: got away from the running a little quick. But the

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Speaker 7: fact of the matter is, like you, if you're going

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Speaker 7: to go into a game, this seems like the kind

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Speaker 7: of game you Sho would be able to go into

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Speaker 7: and say, we are going to be committed to running

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Speaker 7: the ball because the last thing we want is for

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Speaker 7: that team to start figuring out that they're just gonna

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Speaker 7: come and rush our passer, because that ain't gonna be

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Speaker 7: a good outcome.

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Speaker 6: Derek, this would be a great game to Trey Lance

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Speaker 6: to run the ball a bunch, and.

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Speaker 7: I'm with you on that too.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, a team that can't play

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Speaker 6: run defense, and you're gonna go in here and you're

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Speaker 6: probably gonna throw the ball fifty times with Cooper rush again.

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Speaker 6: You know, Okay, then then that's what I'm saying. This

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Speaker 6: is a game where I don't know.

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Speaker 9: If that's the case, then we need to have another

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Speaker 9: Travis Hunter conversation next Monday.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying though that that to me is this

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Speaker 6: is what coaching is. Go try and take advantage of

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Speaker 6: something that's not working for the other team. You know,

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Speaker 6: he every week. He asks that, hey, well run the

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Speaker 6: ball here, run the ball here. Run They don't run

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Speaker 6: the ball here. You know, how do you watch? How

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Speaker 6: do you watch these games? And we break it down

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Speaker 6: and you see Carrie after Carrie after Carrie after Carrie.

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Speaker 6: They're watching the same damn film.

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Speaker 16: Mm hm.

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Speaker 6: You know, how can you not sit there and say, man,

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Speaker 6: they'll look very good. They're at on the edge. They

728
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Speaker 6: really look like they're trying to get up the field.

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Speaker 6: They're getting kicked out a bunch here. You know, it's

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Speaker 6: like me watching the down in the red zone. It

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Speaker 6: seems like the tight ends catching touchdowns every time. But

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Speaker 6: do you think they'll throw a ball to a tight

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Speaker 6: end down there at no? Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's sake our final break. Let's come back. We

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Speaker 7: got some questions lined up. We'll hit those when we

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Speaker 10: Back to the Break, Connecting changes everything.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 7: Final second of the Break, Live from the SWBC Mortgage

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Speaker 7: studios at the Star. Let's get some questions. Got a

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Speaker 7: question here from Chris Johnson. He shit, he said, Should

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Speaker 7: they get turping even more snaps after what he did

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Speaker 7: last week?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: When I look at only two slants run all year,

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Speaker 9: why not do it more? I don't understand, So yes,

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Speaker 9: the answer is yes for me.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely yeah. Maybe maybe two maybe two throws the span

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Speaker 6: Ford and the other nine to you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean try and find ways. I'm not just talking

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Speaker 6: about getting the ball at or near the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 6: Work some combination routes with him, you know, try and

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Speaker 6: free him. You know, see if you can see if

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Speaker 6: you could get some stuff with you know, if you

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Speaker 6: could bring him on some cross and stuff, you can

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Speaker 6: hit him on the move. That fourth down pass he

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Speaker 6: had against Atlanta they came back, they could have thrown

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Speaker 6: at the game against the Falcons, they could have against

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Speaker 6: the Eagles, they could have done it and they didn't

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Speaker 6: hit him. Guy finds a way to get open. I

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Speaker 6: throw him the football if I could. He's he's one

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Speaker 6: of the legitimate play He.

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Speaker 10: Was just jogging like that wasn't even the fastest he

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Speaker 10: was running, So expect him to be a lot faster

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Speaker 10: and hopefully but these things that we always ask for

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Speaker 10: is just it never happens. And that's what drives me

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Speaker 10: crazy and like insane because I feel like we watch

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Speaker 10: something completely different than they watch. But then they're the experts.

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Speaker 10: So then I'm like, wait, like why am I like?

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Speaker 10: Are we watching the same game? Are we watching the

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Speaker 10: same plays? But again, I am sure they have their

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Speaker 10: reasonings and there's a something reason why to why they

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Speaker 10: choose to play the way they play. But like an example,

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Speaker 10: going back to you, I know we've always talked about

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Speaker 10: lip Key for the longest time, and we've seen him

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Speaker 10: a little bit here and there throughout the season, but

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Speaker 10: it's never been like a commitment to use like your

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Speaker 10: best players or these players that can be a lot

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Speaker 10: more dynamic. And he's one of those guys that is

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Speaker 10: very quick, very he can make those cuts and you

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Speaker 10: just get him the ball. And not to switch back

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Speaker 10: the conversation, but when in the last segment that you

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Speaker 10: were talking about committing to the run, I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 10: I'm like, Okay, we keep asking them to commit to

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Speaker 10: the run, but then more often there than not, the

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Speaker 10: runs are unsuccessful. So it's like, why would you keep

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Speaker 10: trying to run the ball when you're continuously being unsuccessful

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Speaker 10: with it?

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Speaker 7: My thought would be number one, I think you have

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Speaker 7: to think about how are you running the ball? H

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Speaker 7: Are there some more creative ways that you can try

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Speaker 7: to run the ball? Going to Brian's point about maybe

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Speaker 7: using Trey lance a little bit more, I think there

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Speaker 7: are things, you know, right, there are things you can

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Speaker 7: do to change up what you do. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 7: just keep doing the you know, power to the wall,

855
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Speaker 7: power run right up behind the guard, like if it's

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Speaker 7: not working, it's such work.

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Speaker 6: Commanders doing it works yeah for them.

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Speaker 7: But but I'm saying, like find find some other ways

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Speaker 7: to do it. You know, I've seen some lesser skilled

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Speaker 7: teams run the ball effectively against Dallas. Particularly, go back

861
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Speaker 7: to that Arizona game last year. They ran the ball

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Speaker 7: at will. They didn't do that to most teams in

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Speaker 7: the league, but they found a creative way to do

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Speaker 7: it against Dallas, taking advantage of some of the stuff

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Speaker 7: that they knew Dallas wanted to do, and they gash them.

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Speaker 7: I think there are some ways you can figure it

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Speaker 7: out to be able to really if you're going to

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Speaker 7: commit to the run, to really be able to effectively

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Speaker 7: run the ball. And I just don't know that they've

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Speaker 7: done that enough.

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Speaker 10: Well, we'll keep waiting on it.

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Speaker 7: We'll see if this is the weekend, Like.

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Speaker 6: Guys, tell me when you're in your press box, see

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Speaker 6: tell me next week if they did what you wanted

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Speaker 6: to do.

876
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, the numbers say this is the week where you

877
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 7: should at least consider it, right, you know, you should

878
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 7: at least do something to try that. All right, let's

879
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 7: go on to the next question. This question is from

880
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 7: Bill bourn K. He says no, starting two rookies was risky,

881
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 7: but any way to determine if if poor line offensive

882
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 7: line play is due to coaching scheme, coaching scheme, or

883
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 7: misevaluating talent. Even with the three vets.

884
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 8: Going all three, I'm not going misevaluating just yet.

885
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 6: I think the thing about it is it really hurt

886
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 6: them that their right tackle took a step back, and

887
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 6: then the and then the drastic fall of your right guard,

888
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 6: coupled with the rookie center who's never played center, I

889
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 6: think the biggest learning curve. And the kid's gotten better.

890
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 6: Guidan's gotten better at left tackle, Yeah, he really has.

891
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 6: It's you know, is it to the point where you know,

892
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 6: is it is it like watching Tyler Smith play out

893
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 6: there his rookie year. No, but I think that that

894
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 6: just the right side of the offensive line. How quickly

895
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 6: it fell off. I think there's some things with the

896
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 6: you know, with the coaching as well. I think the scheme,

897
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: particularly Derek, we just talked about it the previous question.

898
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 6: I think there's things about the scheme that you have

899
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 6: to question that probably aren't right, probably not conducive to

900
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 6: how you're playing. So I man, I'm a I hate

901
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 6: to be a ride the fence guy. I do feel

902
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 6: like it's all the above. Yeah, you know, just Mark

903
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 6: D on your scantron for all the above.

904
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Speaker 7: For those out theres who don't know what a scantron is,

905
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 7: we used to take tests on these things called scantron's mark.

906
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Speaker 6: You know, look, I'm not that I'm young Mark D

907
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 6: for all the above, right, yeah, because that's where this

908
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 6: thing really at when we do the autopsy. Seriously, when

909
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 6: we do the autopsy, start in the brain and go

910
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 6: all the way down to the toes, and you're gonna

911
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 6: figure it out. You know, it's there's a lot of things.

912
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 6: It's not just one thing. There's a lot of things

913
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 6: that's happened to this football team this year.

914
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna go with coaching and scheme. I'm

915
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 9: not gonna go with misevaluation just yet. I think there

916
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 9: are a lot of individual problems happening on the offensive line.

917
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 8: There was a word you said in there that said coupled.

918
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 9: I think you could couple everything together and it ends

919
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 9: up being four very big problems that I think you

920
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 9: have upfront. We could start at left tackle. I'm under

921
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 9: the impression that your left tackle is not the guy

922
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 9: you wanted to start Week one, but you had to.

923
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 9: I think the plan was to start too many dooga

924
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 9: at left tackle, because you see whenever too many doga

925
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 9: is starting to get worked back in. Mike McCarthy says, yes, yes,

926
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 9: that's gonna throw a healthy competition back into that role.

927
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 9: He was starting at left tackle up until he got

928
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 9: hurt in training camp, and everyone was kind of looking around, like,

929
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 9: all right, so wins Tyler gott even run with the ones.

930
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 8: I don't think he ever was going to.

931
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 9: I think he was going to get snaps, absolutely, but

932
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 9: I don't think they wanted to throw him out there

933
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 9: with just fourteen career starts and start at left tackle

934
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 9: without playing the position in Week one against Miles Garrett.

935
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 8: I don't think that was the plan.

936
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 7: That's an interesting point.

937
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 8: Left guard.

938
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 9: I think your left guard is accounting for a lot

939
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 9: of things happening around him. I think he's playing well.

940
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 9: I don't think he's playing as well as he was

941
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 9: last year, but I think he had better pieces around

942
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 9: him last year. Your center is a rookie who was

943
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 9: still trying to figure things out. I think he's gonna

944
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 9: be a good player. I think he is, but he

945
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 9: is having that rookie curve where okay, hey, definitely when

946
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 9: you look up in five years, and you look at

947
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 9: all five years on a window, you could be like, Okay, yeah,

948
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 9: that was his rookie year, but I think he's going

949
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 9: to have a good start to his career. Your right

950
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 9: guard is is coming down a little bit, and as

951
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 9: we've talked about on this show, and your right tackle

952
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 9: is not playing well at all, and unfortunately, I think

953
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 9: that's a that's a situation where you're gonna have to

954
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 9: look at it from from a holistic approach in the

955
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 9: offseason and figure out is that the guy for the future.

956
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 9: But when you pair all that together, I think you

957
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 9: have a big problem. It doesn't matter what the coaching

958
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 9: or the scheme is at that point, but I think

959
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 9: when you do look at the scheme, this is a heavy,

960
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 9: heavy zone scheme offensive line. And I think this type

961
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 9: of offensive line needs to be gap schemed because I

962
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 9: think if you have young guys up front with a

963
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 9: running game that is not necessarily producing at the level

964
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 9: that you want it to, make it a little bit

965
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 9: less complex, make it a gap scheme offensive line.

966
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Speaker 8: And it just hasn't been so far.

967
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 6: Explain gap scheme.

968
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, gap scheme going after one guy on the defensive line,

969
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 9: shout with Jerry Madaline, That's what I.

970
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 6: Was thinking when you started talking about gap scheme.

971
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 9: Gap scheme is basically you're lining up on the other

972
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 9: side of the line of scrimmage and you're going after

973
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 9: one guy. Where a zone is zone scheme, you're going

974
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 9: after an air and you're trying to push guys that

975
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 9: are out of that area. But that's where things can

976
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 9: get complicated. Really good offensive lineman can do that well.

977
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 9: I think they do that because you have a guy

978
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 9: like Zach Martin and they've just been used to doing

979
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 9: that because you had a Tyrone Smith, you had a

980
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 9: Zach Martin, you had a Tyler Biadis who was good at.

981
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 8: Times and doing zone scheme stuff.

982
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 9: But I think now whenever you have young offensive linemen

983
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 9: and you're having to account for a lot of things

984
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 9: happening around you, that zone scheme can get really complicated.

985
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 9: And also you don't have a running back in your

986
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 9: backfield who I think can I identify those gaps a

987
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 9: little bit quicker than guys you've had in the past.

988
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 10: And that's where I have a problem with this whole situation.

989
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 10: It's like, what have you tried to do differently to

990
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 10: see if it works? To see if it helps them

991
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 10: be better. You haven't, and you keep just running the

992
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 10: same things every time basically without being successful. And it's

993
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 10: just like, try to help him differently. You rely on

994
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 10: two younger players on youth there, which is not ideal

995
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 10: on unoffensive line, but I think in their moments, I mean,

996
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 10: they've done okay, like enough.

997
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 8: For what they are right now in their career.

998
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 10: And then with Terrence Steele, the question is like it

999
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 10: always makes me wonder. I'm like, why you've seen him

1000
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 10: be better, You've seen him be a solid guy, So

1001
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 10: what happened there? Exactly? Why are you regressing so much?

1002
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 10: You don't all of a sudden just lose power, lose

1003
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 10: muscle in that way, lose the ability to know where

1004
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 10: to place your arms and do the type of work

1005
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 10: and like get beat up every single time. So I

1006
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 10: and he's as far as I know healthy, like coming

1007
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 10: from last year, I remember him saying he's and they

1008
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 10: always say the same thing, like I felt, I feel

1009
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 10: the best I've ever felt. I feel the best I've

1010
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 10: ever felt. But that leads me just because I've seen

1011
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 10: him be better and play better, it leads me to

1012
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 10: think it's a coaching thing. It's a scheme thing that

1013
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 10: is just not working out for them.

1014
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys. Join us back tomorrow.

1015
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Speaker 7: We'll wrap this thing up. Get you guys ready for

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