WEBVTT - “I WAS IN A TOXIC RELATIONSHIP”

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hey, Hey, what's up? Oh my god, this is

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<v Speaker 1>while Yes, who is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Laura, Laura. What's up Laura? Have we ever

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<v Speaker 1>spoken before?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>We have not beautiful beautiful, So what's up, Laura? How's life?

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<v Speaker 4>Life is Okay? I just broke up with a guy

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<v Speaker 4>I've been kind of on and off with for about

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<v Speaker 4>seven years. We dated in high school and then we

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<v Speaker 4>kind of distance and.

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<v Speaker 1>We met.

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<v Speaker 4>We found each other on Tinder, and so we swiped

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<v Speaker 4>and we hung out for a minute, and then we

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<v Speaker 4>kind of distanced again, and then we ran into each

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<v Speaker 4>other on campus and go back in love. And I

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<v Speaker 4>ended thing because I didn't want to waste time because

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think much. So actually, I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 4>really weird. Usually I am like heartbroken, but I feel normal.

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<v Speaker 1>You're usually heartbroken when.

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<v Speaker 4>It's off, Yeah, usually like when I end things and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know. I just I'm riding the wave.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a little confused, but you know, I'm just living.

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<v Speaker 1>You normally feel heartbroken when it's off, specifically with this

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<v Speaker 1>guy that you've been on love with so many times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and also like in general when I have a connection.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, but it kind of sucks because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he was a stable guy. I see him being like

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<v Speaker 4>a husband and like a father. But I'm twenty three

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<v Speaker 4>right now and I'm not really looking for something stable,

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm trying to. I'm trying to move out of

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<v Speaker 4>the state I'm living in and try I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get a bartending experience. I'm also like a audio engineer too,

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<v Speaker 4>so I want to try to get a job after

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<v Speaker 4>I get my shirt certification at like a cruise ship

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<v Speaker 4>or something. I've heard someone from your podcast say that

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<v Speaker 4>they worked on a cruise ship and it sounds so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, why do you think you feel differently this

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<v Speaker 1>time than you normally do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I I guess I'm trusting in the universe that everything's

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<v Speaker 4>going to what it needs to be. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's I'm confused to I'm also going through other stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm not trying to go too deep, so there's

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<v Speaker 4>like other worries on my mind. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really weird to me that I'm I feel afloat

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<v Speaker 4>and like I do have my moments where I do

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<v Speaker 4>get like sad and like deeply like oppressed a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know for things ending, but this time, I

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<v Speaker 4>just I don't know. I maybe I think might I

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<v Speaker 4>know that we're probably gonna see each other again, and

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<v Speaker 4>we left on good terms, so we're still friends, but

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<v Speaker 4>we don't talk. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really weird because these I'm I'm usually a very

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<v Speaker 4>emotional person, so it's very off for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hm uh, well, I mean it could it be because

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<v Speaker 1>you just feel a stronger sense of direction for the

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<v Speaker 1>future that you're like, oh, I don't even need this.

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<v Speaker 4>Possibly. I was watching someone on YouTube about like their perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>They were reading like Reddit stories falling out of love stories,

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<v Speaker 4>and they mentioned saying, well, if my boyfriend wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>go move and like pursue their career or like something

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<v Speaker 4>like that, and they had to leave me behind, that's

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<v Speaker 4>a no, I would end it. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>personally for me, I I don't know. I wouldn't. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel like that should. It's all different for everyone

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<v Speaker 4>for relationships, but for me personally, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 4>can pursue a relationship that's long distance. I get too

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<v Speaker 4>emotional and my number one love language is like quality time.

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<v Speaker 4>So and he also the guy was with or used

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<v Speaker 4>to be. We only saw each other like once a

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<v Speaker 4>week because we didn't live too far. But we're both

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<v Speaker 4>students and we both have full time jobs. But he

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<v Speaker 4>worked with his best friends every day in the same office,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he would hang out with them afterwards because

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<v Speaker 4>they all have the same schedule. And then I would

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<v Speaker 4>feel a little bit like I'm not a priority because

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<v Speaker 4>he would go out with his friends and he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>like really communicate really well. But we had like a

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<v Speaker 4>little argument and a small break like a week or

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<v Speaker 4>something where we just needed distance from each other. But

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<v Speaker 4>then we came back and we both talked and we

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<v Speaker 4>try to meet with each other, and honestly, it was

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<v Speaker 4>really well, and the relationship was like perfect. He's exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what I needed and a boyfriend. But for some reason

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<v Speaker 4>I just wasn't fulfilled, I guess with him, which sucks

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<v Speaker 4>because he was a very stable person and he had

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<v Speaker 4>a very high paying job and all this and that,

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<v Speaker 4>like he was husband material.

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<v Speaker 1>But why didn't you feel why didn't you feel fulfilled

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<v Speaker 1>with him? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, to be honest, not like it was the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but a big part of it was he was a

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<v Speaker 4>little vanilla in bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah. I was open with him and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm down to do and try anything. And he did

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<v Speaker 4>his best, but I could tell that he was not

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable trying things or like but they.

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<v Speaker 1>Was just I mean, can I ask, like, what were

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<v Speaker 1>you asking him to like tie you up and shit

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<v Speaker 1>like that? I mean, what were you trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>him to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just told him to be a little bit more sonamant,

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<v Speaker 4>just to start small. I also bought a sex game

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<v Speaker 4>to get his toes in the water with stuff. But

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<v Speaker 4>and that helped a little bit. But we wouldn't play

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<v Speaker 4>the game too often because it would just come up

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<v Speaker 4>in the mood, you know, like it would have to

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<v Speaker 4>be a special night like that it would be like

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<v Speaker 4>a date night that I would bring it out. But

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<v Speaker 4>most of the time it wasn't a date night. We

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<v Speaker 4>would just hang it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So the game thing is interesting. The game thing is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because it's like, uh, I feel the same way

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<v Speaker 1>about bringing out a board game, uh for sex that

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<v Speaker 1>I do with bringing out a board game. Uh, in

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<v Speaker 1>any social interaction, which is like we were having a nice, normal,

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<v Speaker 1>natural time and now you want to put fucking all

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<v Speaker 1>these rules and things. It's just real. It's like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're at a party and someone brings out like cards

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<v Speaker 1>against humanity and you're like, I don't want to fucking

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<v Speaker 1>do this.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The sex version of that sounds like doubly as awful.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it wasn't bad, but it was actually kind

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<v Speaker 4>of fun. And the game would be a drinking and

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<v Speaker 4>sex game, so like if you didn't want to do something,

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<v Speaker 4>you would drink. Ah, but we don't really drink that often.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I might have had issues with alcohol in

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<v Speaker 4>the past, but like I'm trying to my buddy's first now,

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<v Speaker 4>and alcohol makes you inflamed and stuff like that, and

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<v Speaker 4>like it's not good for your skin, so I'm trying

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<v Speaker 4>to hold back. It's a little hard, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>like because every day sounds fun to be a little buzzed,

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<v Speaker 4>but I have priorities.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was just like, I mean, you were on

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<v Speaker 1>and off with this guy for seven years. Was he

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<v Speaker 1>like not sexually fulfilling for you for the whole time?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I mean no, uh. When we were younger, especially,

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<v Speaker 4>like I like, it was really fun and exciting, but then, like,

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<v Speaker 4>to be honest, during our break I went to a

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<v Speaker 4>music festival and I found a guy there and we

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<v Speaker 4>did a couple of hand stuff. But he was exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what I was asking him to be in bed. But

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<v Speaker 4>I don't ever see him becoming that.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. And Okay, I want to ask you something and

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<v Speaker 1>you listen. If it's too sensitive for you, totally understand,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, you know, listen for guys out there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is probably a lot of guys out there

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<v Speaker 1>who like this is this is like their worst fucking nightmare,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, like nothing to do with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's truly nothing to do with you.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, no, fucked up a little bit?

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<v Speaker 1>Not I I no, it's not. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up at all. I want you to know that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's fucked up at all. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's natural to like, you know, pursue as you desire,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So I don't think it's fucked up at all.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, if you want to break, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he knew, it's not like you were cheating on him, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh No, I mean like we were on like a

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<v Speaker 4>small break, like the weak break that I told you about,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we weren't really single, but we weren't really together.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the where the perimeters established that it was like

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<v Speaker 1>cool to sleep with other people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure that didn't really come up in combo.

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<v Speaker 4>Prior before, like a couple of days prior before the festival,

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<v Speaker 4>we had a good talk, and I think he thought

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<v Speaker 4>that we were together when I just needed space.

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<v Speaker 2>He came.

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<v Speaker 4>He just came to drop my Diva cup off because

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<v Speaker 4>I left one thing at his time and I was

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<v Speaker 4>going to go in the water and stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't like end camping for a few days, and I

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<v Speaker 4>would rather have my Diva cup than having to switch

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<v Speaker 4>tampons out. And unfortunately he had my Diva cup, and

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to drop thirty dollars just for another

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<v Speaker 4>one that I won't even use. So we I was

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<v Speaker 4>kind of not really forced, but like it was, it

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<v Speaker 4>was forced kinda to have that conversation too soon.

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<v Speaker 1>So but you were on But I guess when you

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<v Speaker 1>went to this festival you were on a break.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it kind of. Yeah, I don't know if we

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<v Speaker 4>were like complete completely on a break. After the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, if if during that week

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<v Speaker 1>you found out that he went to a music festival

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<v Speaker 1>and got a hand job. Would you be upset?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, uh, not to the degree that I usually would,

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<v Speaker 4>because I would have done the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But would you have found that to be a violation

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<v Speaker 1>of of of I suppose implied parameters.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if we communicated with me honestly, no, because

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<v Speaker 4>communication is number one, and if he's honest with me,

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't be upset. I would just I mean I

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<v Speaker 4>would get a little sad and hurt in a way,

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<v Speaker 4>but I would be very thankful that he was honest

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<v Speaker 4>with me, and I was honest I danced with another

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<v Speaker 4>guy if I didn't completely tell him that we went

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<v Speaker 4>to second base or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So what So what was it that you got from

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<v Speaker 1>this like second guy that you weren't getting from your boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>Quality time because he wasn't there. I guess he was

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<v Speaker 4>the other guy was there, and he stuck hip by

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<v Speaker 4>me essentially, you know, and we just we're kind of

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<v Speaker 4>won for that. No festival, I mean, there was a

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<v Speaker 4>point where we were separated because I had to go

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<v Speaker 4>to my camp and he had to go to his.

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<v Speaker 4>But we made plans to go meet at the Hammocks

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<v Speaker 4>and then but I told him I'm like, I may

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<v Speaker 4>or may not be able to come because I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be tripping on shrooms and I don't know where I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to be at that point, I can't. But then

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<v Speaker 4>he the guy found me at a twenty thousand person festival.

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<v Speaker 4>My dude, my festival guy found me at my camp site,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, what the hell? So he's dedicated. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, but I don't know. I he just tried.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't the other guy, we had a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>bumps in the road. The guy been with for seven years. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>we had a bunch of bumps and a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>rocks in the road. But like we overcame that. But

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<v Speaker 4>at the end, I was just I just wasn't fulfilled

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<v Speaker 4>and he wasn't attending to me so much in bed

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<v Speaker 4>like the other guy was. Like the other guy made

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<v Speaker 4>sure I finished, while the guy I was with like

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<v Speaker 4>if he finished, he like he was essentially done, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know. I feel like that plays a

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<v Speaker 4>part as well as like where I stand about how

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<v Speaker 4>not that he's not the I'm not using the right word,

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<v Speaker 4>but for how he feels fulfilled with me in his life.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I just feel like it's a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit reflection.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, mm hmm. Well, I you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>when I said, here's the thing is, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's fucked up too. I mean, I think, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>like it. It seems as though like the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine to see other people was like quasily implied,

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<v Speaker 1>but definitely could have been like communicated more upfront in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way that was you know, made it so

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<v Speaker 1>that both people were like clear about it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that sounds like something that could have been

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<v Speaker 1>done better. But I think the the well, the guilt

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<v Speaker 1>of like, uh doing something that you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even even the guilt of like, even though it is

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly or definedly within my bounds because we're on a

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<v Speaker 1>break to be able to do this, like I still

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<v Speaker 1>understand that it uh you know, there is I understand

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<v Speaker 1>like a natural guilt of you know, uh yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>will probably not be fun for the person that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>leaving behind. But it's also but it's also hard because

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<v Speaker 1>like I think, again, as long as you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been better communicated, right that this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is what you were going off to do. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is you know, within your bounds to like

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<v Speaker 1>find what you seek, especially if you feel like you've tried,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the person that you were with, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. But it's hard. I mean, these

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<v Speaker 1>are these things. These things aren't easy and and it's

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<v Speaker 1>and even even if you guys were broken up, broken up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's still uh a natural thing to like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't just it's never a clean cut emotionally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never going to be a clean cut emotionally. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's just I think part of life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's a part of life for sure. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>another thing. Like I feel like, since we tried so much,

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<v Speaker 4>I just know all the outcomes and I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>that's why I'm not too upset or I'm afraid that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna like get upset later and be like that

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<v Speaker 4>damn my loss, you know. But I mean, I want

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<v Speaker 4>to focus on myself and I honestly get myself lost

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<v Speaker 4>in a relationship. So I feel like my goals will

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<v Speaker 4>be a little bit put on hold because I have

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<v Speaker 4>the loaves chemical over keeping me and wanting to spend time.

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<v Speaker 1>But but now you why that seems to factor into

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<v Speaker 1>the reason as to why you don't feel as bad

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<v Speaker 1>as because yeah, you know, if after seven years, you've

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, uh, done the whole doctor strange, I've

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<v Speaker 1>calculated several million you know I'm talking about I've calculated

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<v Speaker 1>several million ways in which this could go and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no where it works out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's that's hard. That's hard. But seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you met when did you meet the guy?

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<v Speaker 1>When you were you met the sky when you were

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<v Speaker 1>like sixteen?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, about I mean seventeen, I mean, yeah, bro, it's

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<v Speaker 4>so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, uh, I was talking to my mom yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>about about my grandparents. My grandparents met when my grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty nine and my grandma was nineteen, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they were just together for like forty seven years. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's how it used to be. That's how it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Literally, it used to be right that you

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<v Speaker 1>were like you were fucking like sixteen and you just

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<v Speaker 1>get married and then it's like that for fucking forever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, that's fine, that's crazy, Like that

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<v Speaker 1>used to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be yes and so together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that shit's crazy. But you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern world, No, I don't think. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>good that you can recognize, Hey, the guy that I

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<v Speaker 1>met when I was sixteen, maybe I'm actually a different

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<v Speaker 1>person now after seven years, and maybe he's a different

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 1>person now after seven years. And life has this natural

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<v Speaker 1>transience to it that brings the natural pain to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's it's just a thing that you got to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, I think, bear through in order to see

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<v Speaker 1>what else could fulfill you. You know, or you could

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<v Speaker 1>or you could just be with the same guy since sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people do that, and you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>live I guess happily ever after in the suburbs, or

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 1>sometimes miserable or sometimes miserably ever after. But doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like that's what you want. It sounds like you want

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<v Speaker 1>to really go on the a life will present you with, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to take the motherfucking ride, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>do it. It's hard. It's more painful than just like

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<v Speaker 1>setting up your life at sixteen and being like, I'm

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna be with this person and do this and live

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<v Speaker 1>here for the next fifty five years. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's worth it to take the ride as long as, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't feel like you're I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're communicating properly and you're not hurting anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah you can't because I feel really guilty

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<v Speaker 4>about that. But I mean, what can you do. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>I just won't do it again, you know, just communicate more.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, for sure. And yeah, it just also sucks

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 4>because every time we have a break, It'll be like

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of years we wouldn't see each other, but

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<v Speaker 4>every time I would see him, you would have a

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<v Speaker 4>glow up where he would look cuter, and I'm like, God,

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:08.600
<v Speaker 4>Dane like all the time, and I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 4>I guess it's a I feel like the relationship. I

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<v Speaker 4>was also maybe a little bit insecure that played a

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:20.119
<v Speaker 4>bunch that played a part two and I may not

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<v Speaker 4>be ready for a relationship, I realized with him because

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<v Speaker 4>I think we saw places because he was ready. He

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't ready for one, he didn't know how to treat

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<v Speaker 4>a girlfriend. But then we had like all these talks

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 4>and communications and then now I'm realizing that, hey, I

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<v Speaker 4>was ready, but now I'm not because you let me

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<v Speaker 4>down so much. I feel like it's hard to uh

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<v Speaker 4>glow and grow in this environment that hurt me, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>even though at the end it was exactly what I've

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<v Speaker 4>been asking for. But it's like I had to ask

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<v Speaker 4>for too much for too long, and for not the

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<v Speaker 4>bare minimum but just for communication wise, and so I

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 4>feel like we kind of swapped places in that regard.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I know, I'm I'm happy for him, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to see like what the world holds me

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<v Speaker 4>because I've been in the same spot for about since

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<v Speaker 4>I met him. I still live with my parents and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saving up money, but it's I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 4>a little hard. But I also am a student and working,

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 4>and I don't give myself as much credit even though. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's out and he has roommates, and he has

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<v Speaker 4>like a good set of friends. He sees like every

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<v Speaker 4>week at least, if not more, But like I see

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 4>my friends like once a month, but that gives me

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.639
<v Speaker 4>more time to work on my own goals. And we

0:23:55.760 --> 0:24:02.680
<v Speaker 4>just have different books and chapters or whatever analogy. We're

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 4>just different lives. And I think I was just a

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<v Speaker 4>little envious because he has the kind of life I want.

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<v Speaker 1>What does what and what way does he have the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of life that you want?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, stability, uh friends for like he sees frequently and

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 4>he has finances in check where I have friends, but

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.719
<v Speaker 4>we don't see each other often too often as compared

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 4>to him. But comparison is a piece of joy. But

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<v Speaker 4>heard that, yeah, and uh yeah, no, I don't really

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 4>have my finances in check as much like I can't.

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 4>Like when we broke up, when we had that little break,

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 4>he got sad and bought himself a twelve thousand dollars

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 4>bike and still has money left over for you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and I can't do that, like even like me spending

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 4>three dollars is like me guessing if I even as

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<v Speaker 4>a need, you know, I'm like in the huge saving mode.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, yeah, it sounds like you're still, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of developing your life.

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Yes, well his life has already been developed and is

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 4>developing more and more. Well, I mean I've been trying to.

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but here's the thing, right, is like if you're

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna trying not to keep uh too deep of tabs

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>on this sky, it's not gonna it's not fun. Easier

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:44.120
<v Speaker 1>easier said than done. And uh I yeah, easier said

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>than done. And I mean like I'm I'm I'm pulling

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>this out of my ask because all these like it's

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's an obvious thing, right too. You don't

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.360
<v Speaker 1>want to keep tabs on your X but yeah, yeah,

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>there's an emotional quote in too. Every every everything that

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.880
<v Speaker 1>seems obvious is of course obvious, but it's the it's

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the emotional quote, and of like, oh, it's so enticing,

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>especially now that you could just go on fucking Instagram

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh, look at his life. It's going

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>so well compared to mine. But you just you just

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>really fucking can't afford to spend any time on that. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>you got ship to do. Yeah yeah, and you also

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 1>you have a strong timeline to be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>it too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I do. I I feel like I'm having a

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 4>midlife crisis in a way, and but I do have time.

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 4>It's just that I want to be there, but I'm

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 4>working towards it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want mid life? What's your midlife crisis?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know. I just uh again, comparison is

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 4>a sece of joy. Just I I just see people.

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 4>And also I have have older friends too, so I

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 4>just see where they're at and I'm like, oh, I'm

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 4>gonna I want to be where you are, you know,

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 4>just like a cute little house or you know, just stable,

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 4>cute relationship and stuff. But I mean, uh, I want

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 4>to go. I don't want to live here in Kansas

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 4>for all my life. So I don't know. Uh, I

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 4>guess I'm just kind of don't know what my next

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 4>step is after I get my education, well not education,

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 4>just certification ish education. But I don't know. Uh. Just

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I should have had more money saved

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 4>up by now, and I just wish I was in

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 4>a more stable place. But I don't know. Life will

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 4>take me where it needs to go.

0:27:52.560 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 1>So what's your name again, Laura? Laura? Well, thanks for sharing. Laura. Uh,

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think, yeah, I agree with that sentiment.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I agree with that sentiment. Sounds like you learn a

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 1>lot from this.

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep, I appreciate you calling me. I mean, no,

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you picking up. I've been listening to you

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 4>for like five years, since like twenty twenty and so

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 4>it's really nifty to be on this.

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>So is there anything else you want to say to

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the people of the computer before we go?

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.360
<v Speaker 4>Love never hurts?

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Always say love never hurts, Like, yes, you had another thing,

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>give me a thing?

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 4>I know you said one time you don't like Babs,

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.479
<v Speaker 4>but you gotta try watching this show. Don't bring a computer.

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 4>I fucked my computer up doing this, but like if

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 4>you have, like a iPad or something.

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>When did I say I don't When did I say

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't like Babs?

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<v Speaker 4>A while ago? I remember, I remember someone said, oh,

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 4>the bath, and you're like, I can't really sit there.

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I like sitting down. I like to sit

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>down in the shower, but I don't know about a bath.

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes, you gotta try bubbles or maybe some absence faults,

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 4>depending like if you're a sore, but and maybe a

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 4>couple of candles. You got to try it life with U,

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 4>with your like comfort movie or something. It's just just

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 4>for like twenty five minutes at least, because Okay, it's rejuvenating.

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll consider I'll consider a bath next time I need

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to clean myself. Thank you for calling, Laura. You have

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>a good rest of the day. Thank you for calling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you too.

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Nice good luck dog?

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah you too.

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>That was Laura. Uh. Let's see here. Someone I'm reading

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the chat and said, I disagree. I think a week

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<v Speaker 1>is too soon, even if it were verbally agreed upon,

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I see it as a do what you want, but

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't come without consequences. I mean, I yeah, I

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>mean I think so. I think that makes sense, right,

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is like they had they had the week, but I

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but also it just like when you maybe I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it probably could have been communicated better that

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a break meant that. I think it like it's it's

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it's where I wouldn't necessarily call it like some people

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>might disagree or whatever, but it's like, yeah, yeah, it

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>could have been. It could have been, it could have

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>been communicated better. I think that they were like on

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>a on a real ass break where like they couldn't

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>uh you know see where like you know, they were

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>free to see other people, but you know, I mean,

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>isn't the purpose of the break to be like, well,

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>how do we feel not being from each other? Like

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>what's the result of this? And as painful as it is,

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the result of the break was I want to go,

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, live my life at this at this music festival.

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>That was the results of the break, which I think

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it's I think it's different if and yeah, it could

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>have been communicated better for sure, but uh, I mean yeah,

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>And then the person was like, uh, in this chat

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>was like that doesn't come with that consequences. I mean, yeah,

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>they're right, right, I mean they found the results of

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the break, and the results of the break went, you know,

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and led to the demise of the relationship. But the

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>relationship should have been demised anyway, because it's it was,

0:31:55.800 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess, not fulfilling for the people involved. Anyway. What

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>else is it? What else is the chat saying? Uh?

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Lets someone said friends are overrated. I don't think that's true.

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I think friends are the only thing. I think friends

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>are the only real thing. All right, Hello, what's up?

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god?

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Let me let me get off speakerphone for you.

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Do your thing?

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I know the drill? How are you?

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I am?

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>How am I? My move fluctuates so deeply? You know what?

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>You know that meme? There's a meme I see on Instagram.

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh that's like it's not a specific meme, but it's

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a meme genre of the the oscillation between it's all

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>over and we're so back, And I just feel like,

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is something mental illness? Sometimes,

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>can I say, can I rant for like a second?

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Mental illness is crazy? Because it sometimes feels like a

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>very appropriate reaction to consciousness, you know what I mean,

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>it feels it's sometimes it sometimes feels like like, uh,

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>such a deeply appropriate way to exist. And I think

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>that every human being, by nature of their own existence,

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>has their own like I'm gonna, I'm gonna refer to

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>this as a natural born validity to their experience, even

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>if their experience is like fucking insane, even if their

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>experience is evil like they're like, it has some kind

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of natural born validity just because they're of the fucking universe,

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, not val you know what I mean? Like

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 1>this is maybe to uh whatever, I'm getting off track,

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I've been oscillating between everything between it's all over,

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>we got this, we're done, and hey, we're actually as

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>we're back, you know. And as I get older and

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I experience that oscillation over and over again, I it's

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like when in the times where it's all over, I'm like, wait,

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I've been here before. I know that it's not forever.

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.760
<v Speaker 1>But then I fuck, I know that too when uh,

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>things are feel okay, and so I don't know if

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 1>that's noise. I don't know if that's how everyone feels.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I like do I don't know if

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>it's the normal. The more I learn about the world,

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the more I don't know if anything is normal. But

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>the is it normal? Is it more normal to just

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 1>are you supposed to feel the same way for a week?

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Is that? Is that what you're supposed to do? You

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>feel the same the course of a week, because I'll

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 1>wake up being like, we can't do this, and then

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll at some point, like at three pm, I'll be like,

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.839
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I forgot that I'm incredible in life

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>is amazing. Seven pm, I'm hungry, And then ten pm

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right, we'll try again tomorrow. What are

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:24.240
<v Speaker 1>your days?

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>What do you do? Who are you?

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think, okay, I can I have a

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>few points to what everything you just said and you're

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 2>just yeah. I think in terms of like mental illness

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>being a valid response to just like human existence. Like

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm in academia, right, I finished grad school and

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>now I'm at a university. And for one of my classes,

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I had to take a class on evolution, right, and

0:35:55.760 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>so human beings are pretty incredible, Like we've evolved from

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>like microscopic organisms all the way to what we are now.

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>What I've learned is like as amazing as we are.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like that one meme. It's like sometimes maybe good,

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 2>sometimes maybe shit, you know. And so like we've evolved

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 2>to the point where we survive, it's not supposed to

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 2>be like we're optimal. So it's not that we're going

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to be in this perfect mental state where our minds

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 2>can sort of just protect ourselves from the world and

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 2>everything we go through, like depression and anxiety and all

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>these disorders that occur are going to happen just because

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 2>like that's not going to stop us from surviving, you know,

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 2>like it's gonna suck. Just like how if you sprain

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 2>an ankle or tear a ligament or something, it's like, yeah,

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 2>now you can't run or walk the way you used to,

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>but like ten thousand years ago, you'd still probably be

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 2>able to hopple your way and hunter and gather, you know.

0:36:55.440 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 2>So I think like just the way our minds react

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>to the world, especially now in today's age, where we're

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:07.800
<v Speaker 2>just constantly taking an information Like forty years ago and

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>probably even like twenty twenty five years ago, you can

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of just shut yourself off from the world and

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 2>just live in your own space and be your own

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 2>person now that it's like you said, the fluctuations, right,

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like you can wake up in the morning and

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, today's Today's a great day, you know,

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and then by like within an hour or two, you've

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>read something, or you've you've seen something, or you've done something,

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>and now you just feel the complete opposite and you're like,

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe this day's kind of kind of scrapped.

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've had one thing that I kind of

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>grappled with was and I don't know if this is

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the case for everyone. Is I think we all have

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 2>these sort of nostalgic views of like childhood right where

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, things were so easy. You wake up, you

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>go to school, you hang out your friends, you're just

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of happy and just like chill down. And I know,

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure some people had very difficult childhoods and very

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>opposite views. The one thing I kind of realized was like,

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that our default gear is happy. I

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 2>think it's just kind of existing, you know, like we

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>just exist on the day to day. And I think

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 2>for a long time I was like, oh, I'm not

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 2>like super happy every day, Like is there something wrong?

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>With me. But I was like, oh, maybe happy is

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.479
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to be where we're at a default. Maybe

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that's a point we get to and experience all these

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 2>other emotions along the way, and then the next day

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>you feel like trash.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but yeah, and I'm I'm coming to the conclat

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>And I've thought about this since I was like a

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>little boy too. Is that that's not only okay, but

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:49.879
<v Speaker 1>it's like good. I'd rather I'd rather have it like that.

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather I like if dude, when I'm like a

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>fuck man. I remember the last time I took MDMA,

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I really, I took like a real dose of

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.479
<v Speaker 1>m d m A. It was like three years ago

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>or something, and I just remember being like, I want

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 1>just I just remember like I was just in the

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>on the on the bathroom floor just being like, uh,

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna take it, you know, I'm just gonna

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>take all of it. And I'm grateful for all of it,

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>even the horrible things, even the really and it's you

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.439
<v Speaker 1>can't be grateful for the horrible things when you're in them,

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>when you when you're in those emotions, now, when you're

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>in those emotions, you can't be grateful for them. But

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>what but in a moment when they're when you have

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of clarity, I yeah, I can get

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 1>myself to be like, let me, I just want all

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of it, every every truly despondent, awful feeling and circumstance

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>and whatever. I'm grateful to have had it because it's

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>part of uh the world. I'm trying to. I think

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what I how I want to kind of start up, Uh,

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 1>viewing my emotions is like just I just want to

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>take them all, even the fucking uh painful ones. Uh

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it sucks. You don't want to, you know, you don't

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>want to, but yeah, I just I'll just take it all,

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 1>just accepted this except and that's I think that's a

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of cope too. You don't want to just you know,

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 1>I think I oscillate between like acceptance and resistance.

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's like the yin yang of my life

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>because you want a little bit of resistance, you know

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. This is I I've talked about. There's

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:55.919
<v Speaker 1>so much on this fucking show and in my life,

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>but I I it's important to talk about. Is like

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the whole concept of like you're enough, you know we've talked.

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.919
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about this on here before, and I think

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 1>there's I think there's a good I think you're enough,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>is it. I take it with a grain of salt.

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I take it as a yin yang thing. You know,

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>there's like the white I don't. I don't. I'm not

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna sit here and pretend like I fully understand the

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>history of the symbol of the yin yang, but I

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>think I got an idea of it, uh, and that

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I look at be your you know, accepting yourself being yourself.

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 1>You are enough as a very yin yang thing because

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>you want to accept yourself as you are, but you

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.359
<v Speaker 1>don't want to. I don't. Sometimes I've eased too much.

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten fucked. I fucked myself because I've got I've

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>gotten too accepting of myself in such a way that

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 1>where I slip and I'm and I don't want to

0:41:54.840 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 1>do anything hard anymore because I've accepted things as they

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 1>are and it's easy and it's it takes me away

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>from doing anything hard, and I don't like that. But

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I also don't like being fucking stressed out all the time.

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, wanting to be like kill myself,

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>so you gotta you use That's why it's a yin yang.

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 1>It's not an all at once thing. I don't like

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 1>when people say to you're enough because I don't like

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 1>when people say you're enough because it comes with there's

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 1>a big fucking asterisk above it. Not for everyone, not

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>for everyone. Everyone's wired differently. I mean I I just

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>have these like you know what, I have my own

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>like ambitions and wiring and feelings and whatnot, and so

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think. I don't think any piece

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of advice or any popular anything is truly applicable to everyone.

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I saw, uh, I saw a guy wearing a

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>shirt that said the world is better with you in it,

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, dude, fuck you what it like?

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>What go? You know what if you walk by a

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>big pedophile? You know like I hate that, it's all.

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't like anything where it's like we apply this

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to everything, you know, everything is this is put a

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>put a big ask, put a big asterisk on it. All.

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know unless if that guy, unless if that

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>guy is like a truly, unless if the person wearing

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>that shirt is like a truly maybe they are, maybe

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 1>they maybe the person wearing that shirt is like a

0:43:54.280 --> 0:44:00.320
<v Speaker 1>truly they have. This is truly radical, radical acceptance ideology

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>of like I truly one hundred percent but with this

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>is not the I think the popular world that we

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>live in, but like this radical ideology, like I truly

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent believe that everyone is valid, everything is valid.

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>We're all, you know, beautiful and amazing.

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean there is I know, you're the therapy, get go.

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 2>But there is a like a theory or law in psychology.

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>It's called optimal arousal theory. I think it's has another

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 2>name like You're Yerks Dodson or something, whoever came up

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.280
<v Speaker 2>with it, which basically says like humans want to seek

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:42.359
<v Speaker 2>this like optimal level of arousal because if you're too

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 2>aroused and not like necessarily sexually but just like mentally aroused,

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and you're just gonna be really anxious and you're gonna

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>be stressed and you're it's gonna just impact your performance.

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>But then if you're not aroused enough, you're gonna just

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>be bored, if you're just gonna sit around and not

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>be motivated to do anything. I think it's this constant

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 2>balancing act of like trying to find that optimal arousal

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>where you you know, you see it with people when

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 2>they're doing their job, you see it when they're studying,

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you see it in sports. There's like the zone where

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>you kind of just lock in and you can focus.

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 2>And getting to that point difficult, but once you get

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 2>to it, it just makes things so much easier. But

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.360
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like just us all existing, I don't know,

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I also like kind of grapple with like what would

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>happen if if we just none of us existed? You know,

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 2>there's global warming, there's war, there's all these things going on,

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes like, oh my god, what what is going

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 2>to happen to us as a as a species? You know,

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 2>are we are we? Is? It? Is it over? Are we?

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Are we gone? But other times I'm kind of just like,

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 2>you know what, like we weren't here millions of years ago,

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 2>We probably won't be here in millions of years. So

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just kind of like take I kind of I'm

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 2>just trying to take each day at a time, you

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And in terms of like what

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 2>you were saying earlier, the highs and lows, those are

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>being in the lows as well as the highs and

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of being grateful for what I've learned over the

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 2>last few years. And funny enough, I was I was

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna talk to you about it, but you just had

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.919
<v Speaker 2>someone talk about an X or a relationship, so.

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 1>We can we can, you can talk about it.

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>But I was just in a relationship that was really like,

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>it was very unhealthy. It was very like the highs

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>are very high and the lows were very low. And

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I think what I've been struggling with was is just

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the fact that I like, to me, it really meant something,

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and to the other person, I don't. I think I

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 2>was just like a warm body and so like it

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>lasted a year, like a year, year and a half,

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know just in I I ended it

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>over a year ago because I was like, I can't

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>do this anymore, because again, it was just highs and lows,

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>There was no stability.

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>What was the what what was toxic about it?

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, let me try to do this in a

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>concise way, because I don't want to give you a

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes speel. Okay, I would say I would say

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the most toxic things about it were One toxic thing

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:33.000
<v Speaker 2>was was just like apologizing, right, because it's I've been

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of lucky to have really great family, great friends.

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 2>At some point, you're you're going to get into a

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>fight over something, whether it's big or it's small, silly,

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 2>whatever the case may be. And I've been really lucky,

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.839
<v Speaker 2>like my family, Right, Once every year or two, we'll

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 2>get into some big fight over something super dumb, and

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll yell and we'll scream, and we'll some curse words.

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 2>We'll be thrown out, and at the end of it,

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>after like an hour or two, we're like, that was dumb.

0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Why why the hell did we.

0:47:59.200 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Just do that?

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>And welogize, And like when I apologize, it's like I

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:06.280
<v Speaker 2>try to understand what I did, why they pacted that person,

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and then I apologize, and then I I make sure

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 2>not to do it again. I think that's what you

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 2>have to take accountability, because if you just say sorry,

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really mean too much.

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Whereas the girl I was dating, you know, she whenever

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 2>she apologized she had she didn't have parents who are

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>in a great relationship. Like one thing she used to say,

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 2>She's like, yeah, I tell my parents to get divorced

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.280
<v Speaker 2>all the time. I was like well, okay, that's probably

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>not healthy. And she had gotten out of an unhealthy

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 2>relationship herself. I think it had ended up being like

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 2>physical at the end, so she left that relationship. But

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>whenever she you know, said something her full or did

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>something hurtful, she would I would call her out and

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, like you you know, you said this

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 2>thing or you did this thing, and it impacted me.

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 2>And especially once it became like a pattern, like once

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>or twice, I'll like one off, I can kind of

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>like go, you have to pick and choose your battles.

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 2>But with her, it once it became a pattern, and

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.360
<v Speaker 2>then I would bring it up to her and just

0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, like this happened, and she would she

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 2>would do like one of three things right like she

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 2>would she would like deflect to her like past relationship

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 2>or her parents should be like, yeah, I apologize, But

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:30.919
<v Speaker 2>the reason this happened is I have a lot to learn.

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot to learn about relationships, or I

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.480
<v Speaker 2>have a lot to unlearn about relationships from my parents

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and things. I'm like, okay, that's fair, But once it

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.680
<v Speaker 2>happens a few times, I'm like, like, I understand those

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 2>aspects were not great but like, I'm I'm not a

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 2>lesson for you. I'm a I'm a human being with feelings,

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you know. Or she would she would just blame it

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.359
<v Speaker 2>on something else. She would say something like, oh, yeah,

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you know the reason I said something mean was I

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 2>was talking to someone on the phone before we started

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 2>talking and they upset me, so I was just primed

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 2>to get upset at you or something like that. Or

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 2>she would just blame it on miscommunication, and I was like,

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we communicated pretty clearly about that, but

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 2>it just felt like she would apologize and then kind

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.439
<v Speaker 2>of walk back the apology and just blame on something else.

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:25.839
<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this. So, so, when this

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 1>girl would hurt your feelings to do something like what

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>if what would you have wanted her to do in

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:43.479
<v Speaker 1>these apologies and then navigating these mistakes better? What would

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>you what would what would have been felt more acceptable

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to you? Like?

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Literally for me, I mean, it's two things. It's one

0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 2>is a genuine apology, and then the second thing is

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>is you know, taking steps to make sure you don't

0:50:58.480 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>do it again in the future, because if you will

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 2>apologize but you don't mean it, you're just saying it.

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:06.280
<v Speaker 2>For the sake of saying it. It's not a real apology.

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 2>And if you if you apologize without action, then it

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 2>also doesn't really mean too much. And one strange thing

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>about hers I kind of saw that like how she

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 2>apologized and how she reacted to things also dependent on

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>like who was around her. So I remember one time,

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 2>like she and I would this is when we first

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 2>start off dating. She and I would make plans to

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 2>like do something right, and she did this really strange

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>thing where like, let's say you and I were like, oh,

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 2>like let's hang out at eight o'clock on Thursday, right,

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 2>So she would hit me up at eight o'clock on

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Thursday and she'd be like, yeah, I can't really, I

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 2>can't really do this, sorry, and then just go right.

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like if you invited someone to a

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:57.920
<v Speaker 2>party and they showed up to your your door when

0:51:57.920 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the party started and was like, yeah, I can't come

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>to your party, and then just left. It was really

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 2>it was really bizarre, and so it happened a few times,

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:08.839
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, look, I am, we're making plans. I'm

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 2>showing up to the plans. You're not showing up to

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.359
<v Speaker 2>the planes. I feel like my time's kind of being disrespected,

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:18.240
<v Speaker 2>you know. And when that happened, she was like next

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to her sister right because I text her about it,

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.799
<v Speaker 2>and her sister kind of called her out, was like, yeah,

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.920
<v Speaker 2>why are you doing that? That's not cool, And so

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>she like apologized to like, I'm so sorry. I didn't

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 2>realize I was doing that. She deferred back to the

0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 2>past relationship. My my ex used to do this. She

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>used to disrespect my time, so I don't know why

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing it to you kind of thing. But other times,

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 2>when I would bring things up that I thought were valid,

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 2>if she was with her brother, you know, he would try.

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 2>He was a nice guy. He would like try to

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.839
<v Speaker 2>see things from my angle. If she was with like,

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, a certain friend. She was the kind of

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>friend who would who would kind of always take her

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 2>her friend's side. You know, she's not going to see

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.239
<v Speaker 2>things unbiased. So anytime I brought something up and she

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>happened to be with that friend, then suddenly everything is

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 2>like gotten ten times worse. She would kind of just

0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>turn everything around on me. You know. It's like if

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, hey, you know, you've been like showing up

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 2>late to things, or you just haven't been showing up.

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Then she say, well, you know, actually the real issue

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 2>is like you know, you're not setting these things up

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>or with enough time or things like that, and it

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.640
<v Speaker 2>would just sort of all get twisted around on me.

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's just a really strange relationship because

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I start off being friends with her, Like we were

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 2>friends for six months. We were in school together, and

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the person she was as a friend, like she was

0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 2>such a funny, kind, intelligent, caring, charismatic, like confident person.

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's how like if you ask anyone around her

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.680
<v Speaker 2>or any of her friends or her classmates, that's how

0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>they would describe her. But then one I we started dating.

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 2>It's there's another like psychological theory. It's called like I

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.800
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the exact name, but basically it's this idea

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 2>that like you have your front stage self and your

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.279
<v Speaker 2>backstage self. Front stage is how you appear to the world,

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 2>and then your backstage is like how you are when

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>when the show's over. So when we started dating, like

0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 2>her front stage self is this like amazing person, Like

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:28.520
<v Speaker 2>she and I would literally laugh for hours. You know.

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 2>We used to say we could like watch paint dry

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 2>and have an amazing time. That's all we needed. But

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.800
<v Speaker 2>once we started dating and I saw like the real

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 2>like the real her and the more vulnerable aspects of her,

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.279
<v Speaker 2>it was the opposite of that. Like we couldn't joke

0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:46.560
<v Speaker 2>around anymore because it was like things would get too sensitive.

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 2>We used to like roast each other when we're friends,

0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:52.279
<v Speaker 2>No more doing any of that. We can't, you can't,

0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.400
<v Speaker 2>we can't make any mistakes, We can't do anything. And

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>she again, the person who she was in front of

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 2>everyone was was all those things, and the person she

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 2>was behind the scenes was just a very unhappy, very

0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 2>like I would honestly use the word miserable person, even

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:09.840
<v Speaker 2>when things are going very very well in her life.

0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, she was getting the job she wanted, her

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.279
<v Speaker 2>dream job at her dream company, and and she was

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:18.759
<v Speaker 2>living in the city she wanted to live in, and

0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:20.799
<v Speaker 2>she had all these things going on. And I was

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 2>struggling a bit, you know, after grad school and trying

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to get a job and trying to do all these things.

0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 2>But it just felt like a It felt like the

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>person I fell for and the person I dated were

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 2>two completely different people. And she would also kind of

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.879
<v Speaker 2>do this thing where like when I when I say something,

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I need it. She wanted to live on the East Coast.

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to live on the West coast right, But

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:52.279
<v Speaker 2>like for me, it was it was always like, oh,

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 2>like we had gotten close enough to the point and

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I was at least I was serious enough that we

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 2>had talked about things like, you know, potentially getting married,

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, family things like that, so like really meant

0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 2>something to me. So she would say things like, oh, yeah,

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you know, later down the line, maybe

0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 2>we can move to the West Coast. I know you

0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>want to move to the West Coast and things like that,

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 2>or just like making these sort of like empty promises

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that kind of to me it felt like her being like,

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 2>look at how good of a partner I am. I'm

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 2>like saying, I do these things for you even though

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:32.799
<v Speaker 2>she's not going to do it. Like she got her

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:34.840
<v Speaker 2>dream job, like I said, on the East coast, and

0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 2>she got a job interview at a company on the

0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.200
<v Speaker 2>West coast right, which is also a really good company.

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 2>And she she called me and she's like, yeah, like

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I got an interview at this this job on the

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:48.320
<v Speaker 2>West coast, And I was like, she's like, should I

0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 2>do the interview, and I was like, wait, why are you, Like,

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:54.560
<v Speaker 2>is there a reason you want to take this interview?

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, oh, well, you know I could be

0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.399
<v Speaker 2>closer to you, silly, you know, I'm such a huge

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:05.000
<v Speaker 2>symp for you. And I knew, like in my mind,

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:06.879
<v Speaker 2>I was like, there's no chance in hell she's giving

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:09.279
<v Speaker 2>up her dream job for this. I know this for

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a fact. She's already accepted the other job, Like it's

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.759
<v Speaker 2>not even possible for her to take this other job.

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:16.919
<v Speaker 2>But she was just kind of saying that, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of when I noticed that that like pattern of

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 2>her saying she would do things just like as an

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:26.120
<v Speaker 2>empty gesture, whereas like, my dumb ass I would have

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:28.439
<v Speaker 2>probably given up my dream job and on the West

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Coast to be closer to her and to be with her.

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:34.760
<v Speaker 2>And that was just kind of like a pattern throughout

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 2>her relationship and just like anytime things were happening, just

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 2>shifting the focus to her. And so I don't know,

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that makes sense. That was a

0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 2>very long answer.

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 1>No, that that that makes a lot of sense. That

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:52.200
<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense. M hmm.

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess the big issue is, like I ended the

0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 2>relationship there, there was some I think the one thing

0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 2>that like kind of broke me in terms of like

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:07.919
<v Speaker 2>whenever she'd say to do her full things, I could

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:09.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of let it go because I'm not someone who

0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.919
<v Speaker 2>like holds onto things, whereas she like if I said

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 2>or did something her full. You know, the first time,

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 2>she was upsetting me for like a week, and then

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 2>the second time she was upset at me for a month,

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<v Speaker 2>and the third time she was upsett in me for

0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 2>like over a month, and she was like just very

0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 2>cold and distant and attached. And I think the one

0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that broke me was I was like applying to

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 2>jobs and and things were just not going well, and

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I was just like really down. But I was trying

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to support her because she needed a lot of emotional support,

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, like every day she was venting about her

0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>school or her upcoming job, or her family or finances

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 2>or something. So we talk every day, and like I'd say,

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:50.680
<v Speaker 2>if we talk for like two hours an hour, that

0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 2>was just her venting, and so I kind of just

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>had to play you know. I I definitely didn't do

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:57.520
<v Speaker 2>as good a job. I kind of played your role

0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 2>like every day for a year or so, and one

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>day I just went to her and I was just like, man,

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I've just been feeling like really down, Like I don't

0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 2>know if I should go see a therapist or what,

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 2>because she saw a therapist and she had dealt with

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 2>depression before, and I was like, I've just never had

0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:17.439
<v Speaker 2>this feeling. I've just felt so down, and I feel

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 2>like I've been working so hard at these goals and

0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 2>they're just not coming into fruition and I'll never forget.

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 2>She like looked me in the eyes, like with this

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:26.880
<v Speaker 2>cold stare, and she's like, I know you're going through

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:28.400
<v Speaker 2>a live but I wish you would think about how

0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:38.240
<v Speaker 2>it impacts me. And I was like, whoa, Okay, so yeah,

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 2>that kind of broke the camel's back. Yeah, and there's

0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 2>a million other things, but it's just hard because again,

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 2>all that was so real for me, and like, I

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like I fell in love with the person, like

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:55.120
<v Speaker 2>with the masked version of her that she showed to

0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the world, and then once we started dating, I got

0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the opposite of that. But I was like, oh, I

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.520
<v Speaker 2>love this person, I care about this person. I want

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<v Speaker 2>them to do well. So I kind of just stuck around.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now like My brain is just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to detach those two people, because part of

1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.560
<v Speaker 2>me is like, that person's still there, and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what if you made a mistake, what if you should

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<v Speaker 2>have stayed, what if you shouldn't have broken up with her?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you had such good times. And the other

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<v Speaker 2>part of me is like, dude, you you got out,

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<v Speaker 2>like leave run, never never think about it again. Just

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<v Speaker 2>you're out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm, it's that cognitive distance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, uh, yes, yes, I know, I know what you man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking shit's hard. Are you dating anyone new? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I dated someone else, and she was a like, really

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<v Speaker 2>amazing person. She was such a such a nice girl.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just two very different people, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>I got to date her, and I'm glad I met her,

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<v Speaker 2>which with my other ex I not quite the same feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just remember feeling like secure in that relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas with my ex, I felt like I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I was always walking on eggshells. If I say or

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<v Speaker 2>do something wrong, She's just gonna break up with me,

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<v Speaker 2>because she would she would say, like, especially towards the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd be like, if I said something wrong, she'd be

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<v Speaker 2>like my last relationship was a lot of work, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want a lot of work, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>it just like kind of felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're beyond that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the new the the last girl I dated, though,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember one time I said something that upset

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<v Speaker 2>her and she was upset and I apologize and then

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, like I it felt like a

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<v Speaker 2>trauma response. You know, like when you're a kid and

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<v Speaker 2>your parent, you know, if you do something, if you

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<v Speaker 2>break when you feel like your parent's gonna hit you

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. Right, So I've said her and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, what is she gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like she's like, Zach, like, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>yell at you. I'm not gonna be super upset with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You you messed up, and you apologize and now just

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you don't do it again. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this is what like a healthy relation looks,

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<v Speaker 2>relationship looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so weird not being scared all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I feel like my brain, part of

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<v Speaker 2>my brains is still kind of scared of this person

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<v Speaker 2>and also like just kind of sad and upset that,

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<v Speaker 2>like a, I was in that relationship for so long,

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<v Speaker 2>not maybe not that long relative to some people, but

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<v Speaker 2>like I was in that relationship and I let myself

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<v Speaker 2>be treated like be treated that way. And on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, it also like really hurts that someone I

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely like loved and cared about and would have done

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<v Speaker 2>anything for treated me that way. So you know, you live,

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<v Speaker 2>you live, and you learn. And now I've learned. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still learning what a healthy relationship looks like and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to because there I made plenty of mistakes in that

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<v Speaker 2>relationship as well, and things I wish I could change

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<v Speaker 2>or take back. But then you just try to become

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<v Speaker 2>a better, better version of yourself and a better you know,

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<v Speaker 2>person for your partner or And I know that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>super cliche, but it's like you can't just like be

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<v Speaker 2>the same person your whole life. You know, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course. Hmmm, what is your name again, man Zach? Zach?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for sharing all of this stuff. Uh, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, it's making me think very deeply. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I have a lot of feedback on

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<v Speaker 1>it right now, but it's made me think very deeply,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad you shared it because I think it'll

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<v Speaker 1>definitely gives a lot of context and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>perspective to people who are listening and thinking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their own past relationships or current relationships and whatnot. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely, I think going to be a relatable thing

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<v Speaker 1>for people.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean, thanks for listening. I think the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I'll say to like anyone to the people listening

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<v Speaker 2>is and I know this is going to sound silly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it's very difficult to do, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a relationship that you think is not healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>take a step back and look at it. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>like friend was in it, if your sibling was in

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<v Speaker 2>it when their partner was doing the things to them

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<v Speaker 2>that your partner is doing to you. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's very hard to be like, these are not healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>these are not right, But like, the first step is recognizing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then once you recognize, then you can take steps past.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to either try to fix a relationship or

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<v Speaker 2>get out of it and preserve yourself because where at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, you know we have ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and uh we have to be kind to ourselves and

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<v Speaker 2>kind to each other. So thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, is there anything else you want to say to

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<v Speaker 1>the people of the computer before we go, Zach?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, maybe just free Palestine shout out my boy. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>so on premiere, eat your vegetables. Uh, don't take talent

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<v Speaker 2>all apparently now because now that causes autism. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't believe them. But thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, take care, Zach, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, good morning, Good morning to whom am I speaking?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Angie, Angie Angie. We talked. When did we talk?

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<v Speaker 1>We talked recently, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Which Thursday, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in New York at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh beautiful. Okay, So how did the rest of your

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<v Speaker 1>New York trip go?

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<v Speaker 3>It was so good. It was very exhausting, just because

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<v Speaker 3>like the hours are so long, like being on site

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<v Speaker 3>from nine to ten am to about midnight, so it's long.

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<v Speaker 3>But New York can never sleep, so we so like

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<v Speaker 3>went out. I went into Times Square and that was fun,

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<v Speaker 3>and my dumb ass was walking around with a white

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<v Speaker 3>claw and I got a citation.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got you got a public drinking citation.

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<v Speaker 3>I did sons like, there's no fucking way I never had.

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<v Speaker 1>That never happens.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so fucking I was like, I've passed by so

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<v Speaker 3>many people drinking. Why am I the only one getting it?

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was like, are you serious? And then

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<v Speaker 3>even my friend next to me was clearly drinking a

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<v Speaker 3>beer and the cop was like, are you is that beer?

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<v Speaker 3>My friend takes like ten seconds to anti and said no,

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<v Speaker 3>and then so the cop goes back to me. I'm like, seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just continues to write this long ass paragraph

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<v Speaker 3>on this citation, and then I said, you're taking so long.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just finished my white Claw when he's giving

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<v Speaker 3>me my citation because I sent money on it. How

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<v Speaker 3>much was it?

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<v Speaker 1>How much was the citation for?

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<v Speaker 2>It?

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<v Speaker 3>Was honestly so dumb because I was like, I'm clearly

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<v Speaker 3>from Arizona. This is my first time ever in New York,

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<v Speaker 3>so I you know, like, I can't. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to come back for whatever. And he said, I just

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<v Speaker 3>have to scan the barcode and pay like twenty five dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's annoying. It was just too Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>was very annoying. Yeah, and I worked at the whole

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<v Speaker 3>music event and it was fun and I went just

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<v Speaker 3>I pretty much stayed up all night on Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I slept for about an hour and I

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<v Speaker 3>got out at seven thirty to take the subway to

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<v Speaker 3>Right Central Park And that was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you I know when we talked, you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about overcoming like social anxiety. Do you feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>were able to do that successfully?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I put myself out there. Yes, I purposely

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<v Speaker 3>like went out with people who were new to me,

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<v Speaker 3>which I wouldn't really be you know normally do we're

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<v Speaker 3>comfortably do? So, you know, I, mitri put myself out

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<v Speaker 3>there and went out with people that were new to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got to like meet new people in the

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<v Speaker 3>industry and introduce myself and talked to them and really

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<v Speaker 3>just ask questions and hang out and you know, really

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<v Speaker 3>just getting to know them a bit more and just

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<v Speaker 3>doing my best at talking. And then this whole weekend

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<v Speaker 3>I've and then well it's just been today and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like overthinking like did I say the okay things?

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<v Speaker 4>What did I do wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>What could I have done better? And I'm just like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just keep trying myself well it's over, so there's

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<v Speaker 3>literally nothing I can do about it now. But I

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<v Speaker 3>believe I did put myself out there a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>than I thought I would, and I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm proud of myself and just you know, striking up conversations,

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<v Speaker 3>keeping conversations going, or asking questions and just like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>walking around and introducing myself to oops, to new people

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, directors and whatnot. So I'm pretty proud

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<v Speaker 3>of myself for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty good, Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just hope I said words that were made

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<v Speaker 3>sense and not fucking awkward and dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Because, like I said, last time we talked, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you did, it didn't it didn't even fun. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter matter honestly, even the way we talked on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the day after we talked, I went to

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<v Speaker 1>some thing and I had some social interaction where I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, I just said a bunch of really

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<v Speaker 1>stupid things. That was bad. I walked home. I felt

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<v Speaker 1>really bad, and then I thought about you. I really

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about you. Actually is I've forget this is

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<v Speaker 1>all coming back to me. Yeah, I thought about you

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like I just yesterday I told someone

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<v Speaker 1>that it's fine. And so I'm like, all right, well

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<v Speaker 1>i'll just take that advice. I'll just you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just I'll just be crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares, you know, yeah exactly, anyway, be crazy together.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, overall, a good trip and I'm really proud

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<v Speaker 3>of myself. And I was like, had so much just

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<v Speaker 3>nervousness leading up to it and just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>being with coworkers for five days and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what do we talk about? What do we talk about?

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<v Speaker 3>Or you know, But honestly, it was super fun and

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<v Speaker 3>my roommate was fun as well. And the last thing

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to do was the Central Park and I

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<v Speaker 3>did that and I thought that would be scary because

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<v Speaker 3>I did that by myself as well. And I walked

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<v Speaker 3>in a pretty little bit of a sketchy neighborhood, but

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<v Speaker 3>I waited until the sun came up, so but I

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<v Speaker 3>was in Long Island City and then Astoria I walked

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<v Speaker 3>through and just pick the subway to the Central Park

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<v Speaker 3>and that was really fun. And did not get a

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<v Speaker 3>citation there, so that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you had a good time. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the update. This was good And yeah, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that call affected me too, so I'm glad we could

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<v Speaker 1>have this symbiotic experience with one another. Anything is anything

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<v Speaker 1>else you want to say to the people of the

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<v Speaker 1>computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Angie, absolutely not have a beautiful week. I love you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Angie, thank you for thank you for.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Angie. That was Angie. And this has been

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<v Speaker 1>the Therapy Gecko podcast. Thanks for listening. Lots of things

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<v Speaker 1>to say and think and do in the world. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>this costume smells like shit. I gotta I really gotta

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<v Speaker 1>wash it at some point, I really gotta wash this suit.

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<v Speaker 1>It smells really really awful. Anything else? Do I have

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<v Speaker 1>any other closing thoughts? Nothing that's that important to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna go on a whole rant about Fresca again.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a few half empty water bottles on my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Well, I guess if you're listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday, I'm gonna put this video on Spotify because

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<v Speaker 1>I put these videos on Spotify now. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>made a little mini mini interview documentary Gecko video thing

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<v Speaker 1>at the Gathering of the Juggalos that's out this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>so you should go on my YouTube channel YouTube dot

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<v Speaker 1>com slash lyle forever and check that out. But other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, I don't have anything else to say. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>leaving on Saturday to go on a to go record

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<v Speaker 1>another video. This will be an interesting one. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep it under wraps where I'm going, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it'll I think you'll want to watch this one that

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<v Speaker 1>I probably won't. That video will be out in like

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<v Speaker 1>a month, but I think this will be one of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more ambitious Gecko videos I have made

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<v Speaker 1>over my stint doing this, so I'm excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, thank you guys for listening. Gak bless uh.

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<v Speaker 1>See you again on Sunday's episode. Appreciate you, folks. Bye bye,