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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm.

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Speaker 3: For I've heard so many players say, well I want

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Speaker 3: to be happy. You want to be happy for a day.

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Speaker 2: Edith Steak is that woo woo?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Salabarble boys

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Speaker 1: and girls. My name is ty He'll de brand that

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Speaker 1: fine gentleman over there. As always, the esteemed, the illustrious,

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein sar, Yeah, how are you? I'm pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I have nothing, nothing pithy or timely or insightful. I mean,

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Speaker 3: some might argue that's very rare anyhow, But to add

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Speaker 3: it to the top with my usual how are you.

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Speaker 2: Response, I'm okay. Ty I'm okay. I am as well.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be here with you.

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Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't give you more meat on the boat. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Look we're recording. It's the first day of March. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not only access to some of our stuff, a little

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Speaker 3: bit early, but bonus content get access to games. To

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Speaker 3: the discord. We have been in relative quiet here, relative silence,

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Speaker 3: let's say, for the last couple weeks, as we kind

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Speaker 3: of decompressed from the season. But I want everybody to

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Speaker 3: know that you and I are hard at work in

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Speaker 1: More to come. We're very excited about the off season

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Speaker 1: and certainly the season that will hit us in the

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Speaker 3: This year, I saw that Bryce Young is officially Did

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Speaker 3: you see his official hypes?

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Speaker 1: Five ten and one half?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, five ten and a half. The last time you

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Speaker 3: were measured, you came in at not five to ten

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Speaker 3: and a half, not five.

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Speaker 2: Ten and a half. Are you tipping it at five

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Speaker 1: Five to nine exactly? Five to nine? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is that official? Is that Doctor's office official? Physical official? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I I had for a long time thought this is

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Speaker 3: the opposite, because I think Bryce Young was hoping for

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Speaker 3: a six six in front of that yeah, that box

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Speaker 3: and didn't get it for a long time.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason.

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Speaker 3: I was under the impression and I was six foot nothing,

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Speaker 1: Rudy five foot nothing, one hundred nothing.

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Speaker 3: I was under the impression I was six foot nothing,

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Speaker 3: and I went to I got a physical in New York.

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Speaker 3: and I've had a physical sense and it was confirmed.

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Speaker 3: I'm six one and like a hair above Wow, like

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Speaker 3: I had. Do you understand when you're six feet tall?

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, cool, I'm six feet tall. That's that's

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Speaker 3: But then when they when they when they tell you

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Speaker 1: You've met my short Italian family, I never had a

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Speaker 1: we have a college football show to do, so we do,

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Speaker 1: we do. We did an episode a few days ago

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Speaker 1: Brett's been breaking a bunch of the news, not just

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Speaker 1: The tone in his voice was very much one of

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Speaker 1: Let's start with our first scenario, Dan, our first waypoint

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Speaker 1: This is, of course, a different spin on it.

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Speaker 1: So look, we're gonna start with I think where we

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Speaker 1: If you believe Brett. Brett seems to think that regardless

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Speaker 3: The reality is that Oregon, Washington, and who knows about

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Speaker 3: Apple's this behemoth. That Apple has this marketing power via

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Speaker 3: Pack twelve football what somebody in you know, Minsk, who

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Speaker 3: a crazy number of quality basketball teams in that group

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Speaker 3: of teams.

438
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Speaker 1: So I think that makes the Big Twelve very interesting.

439
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: And if you are the commissioner of the Big Twelve,

440
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: that's probably something that you're on high alert for. Like

441
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Speaker 1: just ready to bring new teams in.

442
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, overs right, it's a conference of people abandoning the

443
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 3: conference and then finding a similar situation in other teams

444
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: from other conferences.

445
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: But what's different about this as compared to what we're

446
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: talking about with USC and UCLA in Oregon and Washington.

447
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: Geographically Colorado was in the Big Twe Yeah, correct, Geographically

448
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: this isn't a terrible fit. It makes sense from that standpoint.

449
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Arizona schools recruit that area of the country

450
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 3: as well as southern California, of course, but no, it

451
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: makes sense from a geographic region, and of course that

452
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 3: the Big twelve can then add later games and get

453
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: that window with the Arizona schools, who, by the way,

454
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: already play late at night because of weather the first

455
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: part of the season anyway, So that's not really a

456
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: dramatic change there. Chronologically, my assumption is because of the

457
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: stability of the current Big Twelve and how shrewdly they

458
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: were able to negotiate their new deal and swiftly they

459
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: were able to negotiate their new deal that chronologically, my

460
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 3: assumption is this is going to play out with the

461
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: PAC twelve presenting its remaining member schools a deal.

462
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Speaker 2: Oh, here's twenty three million dollars.

463
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Speaker 3: We were able to cobble together with three different places

464
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: and having the Arizona Schools, Utah, and Colorado say that's

465
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Speaker 3: not good enough. It's not good enough for what we

466
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Speaker 3: think we can get in the Big twelve. The Big

467
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: twelve is now going to formally invite and we are gone.

468
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Speaker 3: So that would happen because of the stability, because they

469
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Speaker 3: have a conference commissioner, because they have been on the

470
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Speaker 3: record as saying we're going to be aggressive, we are not.

471
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Speaker 2: Going to be left behind.

472
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Speaker 3: That that would happen before Oregon and Washington leaving, because

473
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Speaker 3: there isn't a commissioner a top at the moment with

474
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Speaker 3: the Big Ten. Now, I'm sure the presidents right now

475
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Speaker 3: and chancellors or whatever of Big ten schools know the

476
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Speaker 3: vague number that they would get if they were to

477
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: add more schools, and what they would offer as unequal

478
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: shares to Oregon, Washington or Stanford and cal or whoever.

479
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: Should the Big ten have all of that leverage, even

480
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: more leverage if the corner schools were to leave, And

481
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: now we're just talking about a PAC twelve with Bay

482
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Speaker 3: Area schools, Oregon schools, Washington schools. So that's six schools. No,

483
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: my correct, that's not a six schools. Is not a

484
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: major conference. Man, that's a mini pod. That's your mini

485
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: pod idea, that's my mini pod, which is the pretty

486
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: flawed it's a pretty flawed premise. So what will happen

487
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 3: is you get a big, big twelve. You get a

488
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: terrific footprint that spans essentially from West Virginia and Florida

489
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: on the East coast to the Mountain region to the

490
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: Pacific region with the Arizona schools, and you're offered a

491
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Speaker 3: lot of flexibility. And yet outside of I mean right now,

492
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: you can only point to TCU because they're the only,

493
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: if I'm counting this correctly, the only team to make

494
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: it to the College Football Playoff from this group of teams.

495
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Now granted UCF former national champion, let's get it clear,

496
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: of course, but there's no higher there's no These are

497
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: the power schools, which is both a good thing because

498
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: you like wild open craziness after TCU, I suppose, because

499
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: they earned that, but also you like to like you

500
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: like to say, oh, they're they're top heavy, or they've

501
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: got they're so deep at the top or it's just

502
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: these two teams. Right when we had like Florida State

503
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: and Clemson duking it out in the ACC like you

504
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: like the ability to define the tiers of a conference,

505
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: and right now the Big Twelve is just a loaded

506
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 3: middle and I appreciate it. It makes it a lot

507
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: of fun to watch. It makes it a lot a

508
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: lot of fun to watch. But it's hard to crack

509
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: into national conversations if you're just throwing a smattering of

510
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: eight and.

511
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: Four teams at the wall.

512
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: No, well, so that's the interesting thing and somebody you know,

513
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: it is going to develop, right it always develops that. Okay,

514
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: now here's the new look of the conference. There's no

515
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: more Oklahoma, you know, Arizona's up and coming. Oklahoma State

516
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: has had recently sass, but it seems to be on

517
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: a downturn. Houston but down like you have all these

518
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: teams that can't sustain. Who is going to be able

519
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: to finally figure out from this grouping of teams how

520
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: to sustain. That's fascinating to me, But right now you

521
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: can't point to like if you are looking at the

522
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: future iteration of the Big Twelve. So adding the corner

523
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 3: schools and Utah has been a great team. Utah has

524
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 3: been that one team that's been able to sustain. I

525
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: take it back, but having made the playoff, who to

526
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: you what is the matchup of all of these teams

527
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: where you're in August and you're like, oh man, this

528
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: is gonna be great, this is gonna be great, but

529
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: it's coming down to this. Is it coming down to

530
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: the Mountain West matchup of Utah TCU.

531
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Speaker 1: Might yeah, that was gonna be my answer, wild yeah,

532
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: but kind of cool. It is kind of cool to

533
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: the question earlier of what does the addition of Oregon

534
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: and Washington due to the Big Ten? And I think

535
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: your point was, well, it makes Washington better job?

536
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

537
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: Does It's the same hold true on the Big twelve side.

538
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: If you're you know, Jedfish at Arizona, right, does it

539
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: make your job? Does it make the Arizona job more attractive?

540
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: To join the Big sixteen? Whatever? They gonna do something

541
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: about these numbers, the Big Ten, the Big twelve, the

542
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: Pac twelve. I mean that's already changing, but they're gonna

543
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: have to update these conference names at some point because

544
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: it's going to get very confusing. But nonetheless, does joining

545
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: the Big twenty two and a half. However, many teams

546
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: make Arizona State, make Colorado, make Utah a more prestigious job.

547
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: No, no, the only prestigious jobs in this dystopian future.

548
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: We are outlining our big two jobs sec Big ten.

549
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: Jedfish goes ten and two at Arizona. It's gonna be

550
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: the next coach at Michigan. He's gonna be the next

551
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: coach at Penn State. He's gonna be the next coach

552
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: at Texas. He's gonna be that whatever whatever is open

553
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: and whatever or you know, whoever wants to ride the

554
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: Jedfish train. And so No, And the same holds true

555
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: of Sunny Dikes at TCU, even though he took him

556
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: to the playoff. It's just one of those things where

557
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: status exposure money. Now you're gonna be able to pay

558
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: Sunny Dike's a good amount of money at TCU, presumably

559
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: with this deal. Like tc is not a huge I

560
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: don't know what their booster situation. I know they don't

561
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: have a huge alumni base. But if Alabama comes calling,

562
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: if Tennessee comes calling, if Ohio State comes calling for

563
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: Sunny Dikes, if he gets them to another playoff and

564
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: is winning ten games a year.

565
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: Now.

566
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: I know he's from Texas, I know his heart's probably there,

567
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: and maybe he will stay. Maybe he is that kind

568
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: of maybe he is that kind of coach. But if

569
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: somebody doesn't have that specific tie to the school and

570
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: there is that big money job and the stability of

571
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: either going to that big place or knowing that you're

572
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: gonna get a twenty eight million dollar buyout because of

573
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: the amount of money that Nebraska or Penn State or Arkansas,

574
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: any these schools is able to throw around, I think

575
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: you gotta be gone. I think the Big Twelve just

576
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: is not on that level of security. It's secure in

577
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: terms of its existence and consistency of existence, but I

578
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: don't think it means that any of these guys are

579
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: going to stick around for romantic reasons.

580
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I would be curious to see if we come to

581
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: the point where the Big Twelve now has sixteen teams,

582
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: I think the right number. I'd be curious to see,

583
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: are they still in expansion mode? Are they trying to

584
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: add more teams? Is there a scenario in which suddenly

585
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: there are teams from the Big Twelve that are contenders

586
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: for either the Big Ten or the SEC. It gets

587
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: into murky territory, frankly, very murky territory, very very quickly.

588
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer to that, but it

589
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: does seem as if this is where we're headed, right.

590
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: It seems like we're headed towards some schools from the

591
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: Pack twelve joining the Big ten, the remaining schools from

592
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve, or some subset of those schools joining

593
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. As the dog barks because she hates

594
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: conference realignment, and then us trying to figure it out

595
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: from there. Does that sound about right?

596
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: It sounds right.

597
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: And by the way, the other point of you know,

598
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: is the Big twelves is Big twelve status enough to

599
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 3: retain a top coach who has interest elsewhere. It's not

600
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: just in theory, because in practice Luke Fickle had the

601
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: opportunity to be a Big twelve coach and opted to

602
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: be a not Big twelve.

603
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

604
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: So look, that's a sample size of one person, and

605
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: that one person may have just been through with his

606
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: tenure at Cincinnati and the challenge at Wisconsin made a

607
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: lot of sense, but it wasn't enough. The allure of

608
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: being a Big twelve coach in Cincinnati was not enough

609
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: to keep them there.

610
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: Shall we move on?

611
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Sure? This is the interesting decision point. This is that

612
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: point in the game where you can either go right

613
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: or left, and we're gonna have to work this out

614
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: on the fly. We didn't talk about this one beforehand.

615
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: But so in a world where the PAC twelve is done,

616
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: Zo Dead see PAC twelve on the little animated tombstone

617
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: from the game right, and you've got big schools going

618
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: to the Big ten, other schools going to the Big twelve,

619
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Suddenly you've got two other aspects of college football to watch.

620
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: The first, I think is the ACC. The first is

621
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: the ACC because what happens as a result of these

622
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: teams leaving for greener pastures is you've got all the

623
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: teams in the ACC predominantly Florida State, Clemson, maybe Miami

624
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: can probably lump a bunch of team. North Carolina is

625
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: another one where they're looking at it the media landscape

626
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: and saying, we're really really falling behind. We're not earning

627
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: nearly enough to remain competitive with these other schools that

628
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: are are also in FBS, So something's got to change.

629
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: The issue with everybody in the ACC is this grant

630
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: of rights deal. It is a huge deal. Just to

631
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: give context, they re up this deal in twenty sixteen.

632
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: The deal runs twenty years. It does not expire until

633
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the academic year twenty thirty six something of that nature.

634
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: As compared to many of the other deals that we're

635
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: describing here, it is definitely falling way short the average

636
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: value and teams are getting more than this. Okay, but

637
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: the average value, at least the average listed value is

638
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: something like two hundred and forty million dollars a year

639
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: from ESPN to the ACC.

640
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: Now, what brought this conversation up.

641
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Recently was at a Florida State Board of Trustees meeting

642
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: that took place last Friday. Our friend Matt Baker from

643
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Times Sampa Times, I don't even know

644
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: if that's if I got that right, but okay, our

645
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: friend verify Yeah, from Matt Baker, I believe from the

646
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Tampa Times reported that they spoke.

647
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: About Bay Times. You were right, now, Tampa Bay Times. Yeah,

648
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: spoke up at.

649
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: The Board of Trustees meeting and said, is the a

650
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: SEC worth it? What would it take to get get

651
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: us out of the SACC deal? And the number that

652
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: they came to was something like one hundred and twenty

653
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: million dollars for an exit fee. In reality, it would

654
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: be a lot more, be closer to about three hundred

655
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. The slide deck that they had

656
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: listed out Florida State getting about seventeen million dollars a

657
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: year from this deal. That is also not accurate. It's

658
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: closer to thirty five forty million dollars a year. So

659
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: they're not exactly on the cheap with this thing. But

660
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: if we're talking about a world in which Texas and

661
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: Oklahoma go to the SEC and get one hundred million

662
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: dollars a year, they're getting lapped pretty good. They're getting lapped.

663
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: So this brings us to a scenario in which we

664
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: got these schools in the ACC Was there.

665
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 3: Really three hundred MILLI thought I had heard one twenty?

666
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: Maybe it was two schools.

667
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: To get to the total package, the total package for

668
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: a school like a Florida State, if you include all

669
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: of the penalties that they would have to pay, not

670
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: just number, not just the numbers that were cited as

671
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: part of that conversation, but the total package to get

672
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: out of it would be like three hundred and fifty

673
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: million dollars, which is a little cost prohibitive. Okay, that's

674
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: not a Jimbo Fisher buyout, that's that's a lot of

675
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: fricking money. You've got schools now looking at their deal,

676
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: probably hoping they can get out of that twenty year

677
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: packed which is again going to run through twenty thirty six.

678
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: You've also got Notre Dame kind of on the periphery

679
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: as well.

680
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: Right as a pseudo member of the ACC. Pseudo member

681
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: of the ACC, but also play in the field.

682
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: In a sense. Notre Dame is independent, They're proudly independent.

683
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: Their deal, they're listed deal again with NBC is something

684
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty million dollars over ten years

685
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: that expires in twenty twenty five, which is probably another

686
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: key date to watch here. They are clearly falling short

687
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: of many of these other numbers, although I think for

688
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame it's not truly just about the money as

689
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: it might be for some other places. Where I'm going

690
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: with this is what is the next shoot to fall?

691
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: What is the next shoot to fall? Is it Notre

692
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Dame deciding? At this point? Okay, schools are bundling up,

693
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: We are being left behind if we don't.

694
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: Or is it some sort of.

695
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: Coupdeta in the ACC where you've got schools getting together,

696
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: finding a finding a way to bring a lawsuit against

697
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: their against their deal with ESPN and getting their way

698
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: out of it. What is the next thing to happen?

699
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: Wait, so you're gonna have Florida State sue ESPN and

700
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: then try to become a member of the ESPN SEPA conference.

701
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

702
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, Brett said it on

703
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: the show that We did right. Ritt said that until

704
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: a team could figure out a way to climb over

705
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: or tunnel under the grant of right steal that they

706
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: currently have with the ESPN, they're probably going to stand

707
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: pat I'm asking, is there some way to tunnel under,

708
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: to climb over that deal that kind of extends beyond

709
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: the realm of what we're comfortable talking about, like lawsuits.

710
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: I believe there's a clause in that grant of rights

711
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: where if suddenly the value of the deal is harmed

712
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: for one reason or another, maybe a school leaving, or

713
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: maybe just by virtue of the other rights around college

714
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: football becoming so inflated that they feel left behind. I'm

715
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: not a lawyer, I don't claim to be one on

716
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: this podcast, but there is probably an argument to be

717
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: made in that arena that could maybe give them another

718
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: avenue to get out of this thing.

719
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.

720
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: Florida State and Clemson, Miami, whoever you considered be the

721
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: big fish North Carolina of course, because of their sometimes

722
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: dual sportability, great academics. I know, Virginia has been in

723
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: these conversations as like a fit for the Big Ten,

724
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: as is North Carolina. Right that you're extending geographically, You're

725
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: you're adding to basketball, you're adding presumably sometimes to football,

726
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: and reputationally, these are terrific academic places. I don't know

727
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: what leverage any of these places have because right now

728
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: ESPN has them completely tied up.

729
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: Right.

730
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: ESPN loves the fact that they're not paying them that

731
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: much money, and they get to pay them not that

732
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: much money for a long time. So you'd have to

733
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: provide some sort of incentive. You'd have to join an

734
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: ESPN property conference, which would be the SEC if you're

735
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: Florida State, which is the only conference that would make

736
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: sense for Florida State. It seems geographically, it's just it's

737
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: that's the fit. You would have to take such a

738
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: crazy reduced share.

739
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: To join the SEC. And even still, what.

740
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: ESPN has such a golden goose right now with the

741
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: SEC that like, why do they care?

742
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: What?

743
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: What does Florida State make the SEC? And that it's

744
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: not right now they already have the University of Florida.

745
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: They already have the University of Georgia right there geographically,

746
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: yespans in an unbelievable position of leverage to say, I

747
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: don't know, We're just gonna keep paying you seventeen million

748
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: dollars a year. That sounds good to us. I don't

749
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: know what lawsuit can come about. It would have to

750
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: be Florida State providing some sort of crazy incentive. I

751
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: just can't think of it. I just can't think of

752
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: it unless lawyers for Florida State, lawyers for Miami whoever else,

753
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: are able to concoct some sort of strategy. But no,

754
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: I think the ACC is eventually going to break apart.

755
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: But is it going to be twenty twenty nine with

756
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: lawsuits and with some sort of deal, some sort of

757
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: buyout deal or had to reduce you know, everybody's going

758
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: to agree to pay eighty million dollars instead of three

759
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: hundred million whatever number you cited. Maybe, but what's going

760
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: to happen is the ACC bundled, And what happens with bundles,

761
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: they tend to unbundle over time, and so the ACC

762
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 3: is basically I don't know if I don't know who's

763
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: left standing if what Brett said comes to pass, that

764
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: we're going to deal with two twenty fourteen conferences in

765
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: the Big Ten in the SEC? Like who is left behind?

766
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: Is it just, Oh, the Big East exists again? Welcome

767
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: back Pitt? Like is it going to be Pitt Syracuse

768
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: and Boston College? Like you could see a universe in

769
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: which Georgia Tech goes to the SEC geographically it makes sense.

770
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: You can see a universe in which North Carolina ends

771
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: up in the Big Ten, Virginia ends up in the

772
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: Big Ten. So now we're dealing with former Big East

773
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: team Virginia Tech. You're dealing with wake you know, is

774
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: NC State gonna find a home?

775
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Like?

776
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: What does Louisville make sense for the SEC geographically? But

777
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: do they add much in terms of a huge audience

778
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: and academics and.

779
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: Status that oh we got Louisville. I don't know, don't.

780
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't honestly know.

781
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: So it feels like we are reforming Big East Football

782
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: at some point in the next decade or decade and

783
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: a half.

784
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I think it's totally on the table. You know, let's

785
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: let's be clear about this. I think with the ACC

786
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: I think the only way. And again I'm prefacing this

787
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: by saying I'm not a lawyer. I probably don't know

788
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I know, hold on, hold on,

789
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: let me offer this right now. You and I definitely

790
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: don't know what. No, we have no idea what.

791
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: But so here's the thing.

792
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: Because the grant of rights makes it so difficult financially

793
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: to get out of it. The only way I think

794
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: this is going to go down is if they all

795
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: band together and figure out some way as a collective

796
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: entity to overthrow whatever agreement they're in. I don't know

797
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: what that entails, but that seems like the thing that

798
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: would make the most sense as opposed to Florida State

799
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: Clemson laying down, you know, three hundred million dollars. That's

800
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: insane to me, that's insane, and I don't think that

801
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: would be an easy sell for a board of trustees.

802
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: Right So, to that end, I think you're looking at

803
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: an ACC with it's fourteen teams right now, and a

804
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: weird world in which there is competition between the Big

805
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: ten and the SEC to try and get some of

806
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: these schools right suddenly. If we're talking about a Big

807
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: two universe, if we're talking about the SEC getting Georgia Tech,

808
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: the SEC getting North Carolina versus the Big Ten, you

809
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: can envision a world in which there is suddenly a

810
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: lot of conflict between those two big entities trying to

811
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: land these schools. You can envision a world in which

812
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, if it wants to remain very aggressive,

813
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: saying okay, well we've already got West Virginia, what about

814
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: Pitt We've already got West Virginia. What about extending our

815
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: footprint farther to the east and getting a Boston College

816
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: or even a Louisville Right Suddenly, there's a lot of

817
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: competition for some of these teams that on the surface

818
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily favorites for one conference over the other. I

819
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: think we know for sure that North Carolina would have

820
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: its pick of the litter. We know that probably a

821
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: school like a Florida State, a Clemson, even a Louisville. Right,

822
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: these schools could go pretty much wherever they wanted for

823
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. These are bigger programs. But if

824
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: you're a Boston College, if you're Awake Forest, if you're Duke.

825
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: Is interesting, Duke's interesting some basketball, yeah.

826
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, But even like a Virginia Tech, right, if you're

827
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: those schools that I hesitate to say, like on the

828
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: fringes of this whole conversation, it may not be the

829
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: type of deal that you get the pick of the

830
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: litter with respect to conference, but you probably have options.

831
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: Sure, I think a lot of these places now, the

832
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: Northeast schools are interesting to me. I think they're going

833
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: to have fewer Like is Pitt can join the Big twelve?

834
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Probably if that's the only option.

835
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: Sure, I just it becomes a very strange landscape.

836
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: I had heard I had heard way back when, at

837
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: the start of this whole Big ten thing, So way

838
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: back when, in this case being a year ago. Yeah,

839
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: when I had talked to a few people that aren't

840
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: necessarily connected but know the landscape better than me. When

841
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I asked about Pitt, I was told emphatically, no way

842
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: in hell in the Big ten. Now things change quickly

843
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: because of Penn State. I'm not sure, okay, but that

844
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: was the word on the street about a year ago. Now.

845
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: Who knows where it will be a year from today

846
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: and how things could change if the Big Ten does

847
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: add additional schools in Oregon and Washington and that sort

848
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: of thing. But it would seem to me that pitt

849
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: would make sense in either a reformulated Big Big East

850
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: or perhaps a Big eighteen now, ma'am.

851
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't consider pitt in the Big Ten. It

852
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: just didn't seem to work for me. I don't know why.

853
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh's right on the border of Ohio. Pennsylvania is at

854
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: least sort of half or a third of Pennsylvania.

855
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: You can speak to this better than I can.

856
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: Very midwestern right like it culturally, does feel like it.

857
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: It fits obviously, Penn State is in central PA and

858
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: it works. No, I think they would be one of

859
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: those teams that would be searching and that conferences would

860
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: have leverage over.

861
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got you've got some teams on the periphery, right,

862
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: I put Virginia Tech in there. I don't think Virginia

863
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: and Virginia Tech would go to different conferences. I think

864
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: whichever conference gets one gets the other.

865
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: Virginia I think that, man, I think the Big Ten.

866
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: If the Big Ten called Virginia in an hour and

867
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: said we'll take you, but not Tech, they'd be like, huh.

868
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, let's do. I just I think we'll be

869
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: so far down the food chain at this point that

870
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: whoever gets one gets both.

871
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, I mean what Oregon doesn't care

872
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: about Oregon State in this scenario, right, No, They've got

873
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: their partner in Washington, though, which they also have their

874
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: rivalry and its geograph It makes geographic sense, and.

875
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: They're not close by the way.

876
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: I think Virginia Virginia Tech are something like two and

877
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: a half three hours away.

878
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good hall.

879
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlotte School is a pretty good hall from from Blacksburg. Yeah.

880
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't know the difference between the Eugene.

881
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: To Seattle and Blacksburg and Charlottesville, but I think it's

882
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 3: not crazy different, even.

883
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: Schools like Georgia Tech.

884
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech's a really interesting case because if there is,

885
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: if there is a world in which you've got conferences

886
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: competing for teams, m h, I think North Carolina is

887
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: one that definitely rises to that level. Florida State, for short,

888
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: things go on SEC as soon as they can. They're

889
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: gone Clemson probably as well. But North Carolina and Georgia

890
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: Tech to me seem like they could be schools that

891
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: are very sought after by both the Big Ten and

892
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: SEC H. Obviously, the Georgia Tech situation is they're in Georgia.

893
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Their biggest in state rival is the Georgia Bowld two

894
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: time defending champion Georgia Bulldogs. It make a lot of

895
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: sense for them to just stay put and keep things,

896
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, in the Southeast contained in the Southeast. But

897
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: there were rooms were recent rumors that the Big Ten

898
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: was sniffing around the Georgia Tech Yellowjackets as well.

899
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: It makes sense, It absolutely makes sense to extend south

900
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: and get that footprint in big city and academic. It

901
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: obviously feels like a fit. My question to you is,

902
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: in twenty thirty seven, after Fox and Disney kill college football.

903
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Are we a baseball show?

904
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: Sure?

905
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: Are we going all in on college tennis to like

906
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: eleven listeners? Are we all UFI five movies?

907
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: We're just going UFOs by that point all UFOs interesting?

908
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: I mean, right now would be the time that would

909
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: be now it would be high times to.

910
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: Do the UFO thing.

911
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: Pivot pivot, Yeah, isn't that ross and friends?

912
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: Is that not getting my reference correct?

913
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: I think.

914
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

915
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: It does feel very dystopian and very sad all of this.

916
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, can I can I go

917
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: full oval, circle, trapezoid whatever? Oregon State and Washington State

918
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: are the clear teams who would be left behind. And

919
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: this all of the domino's falling right, the Big Ten

920
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: continuing to grow, the Big twelve continuing to grow, the

921
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: acc and the lock it has on its teams. So

922
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: let's say we're now talking about a world in which,

923
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: in a world it's a big win for the Mountain West,

924
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 3: they add by their standards, significantly bigger programs in Oregon

925
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: State and Washington State.

926
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: Adding to you.

927
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: Know, if this is a world in which the Pac

928
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: twelve dissolves, so then San Diego State is still in

929
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: the Mountain West and you have Boise State and Colorado State,

930
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: and so you have a pretty sizable footprint within the

931
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: Mountain and West region as the Mountain West is. What

932
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: does the future of Oregon State and Washington State football

933
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: look like? What does the future of Mountain West football

934
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: look like they can't compete with the Big twelve still

935
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: in terms or probably even we'll see what they can

936
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: compete with the American of course, but what does this

937
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: look like in terms of how we categorize conferences? And

938
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: if all of a sudden, Oregon State and Washington State

939
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: are going from twenty ish million, nineteen million, sixteen million

940
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: down to like seven million, nine million.

941
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: That's a problem.

942
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: That's a huge problem for all of their sports, all

943
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: of their exposure, all of their ability to retain I mean,

944
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: they've already had difficulties. Well, Washington State did a good

945
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: job retaining Mike Leachs for a long time, and Oregon

946
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: State did a good job with Mike Riley, but he's homegrown.

947
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: What does that do to two programs who have, in

948
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: large part, I think, fought above their weight class. They've

949
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: won a lot of games, They've been to a lot

950
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: of bowl games, They've beaten a lot of top tier teams.

951
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: What does that mean for the future of those programs?

952
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: Well, I think it means maybe in the future DJU

953
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: isn't transferring there. Yeah, I think it means that if

954
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: you've got a promising coach that it's even more of

955
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: a stepping stone. I think it means that you are

956
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: even more susceptible to the transfer portal than maybe you

957
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: currently are way harder to raise money, harder to raise money.

958
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: Way harder to raise money, and saying like, look, we

959
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: need a little bit more money to keep up with

960
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: so and so, and all of a sudden, you are

961
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: used to being the small fish in a medium sized pond,

962
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 3: and now you are a large fish in a.

963
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: Smaller point a smaller part. There is also a separate

964
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: conversation that I think needs to take place, and we're

965
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: not going to do it on today's episode, but maybe

966
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: we'll invite Matt Brown back on at some point to

967
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: talk about it in more detail. There is a conversation

968
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: as the rules of college football continue to evolve and

969
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: the role of a quote unquote student athlete continues to evolve.

970
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Of course, there is a world in the not too

971
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: distant future where schools now have to pay quote unquote

972
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: employees of their football team. And if we get there,

973
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: some people think we are head there one way or

974
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: the other.

975
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: Sure that happens, A school like a.

976
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Florida State joining a big money SEC is much better

977
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: positioned to take that type of cost than a school

978
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: like Washington State. Yeah, you know, Washington State that gets

979
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: its income cut in half and still has to try

980
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: and field a competitive team. Maybe that creates the natural

981
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 1: break that we've talked about between the quote unquote power

982
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: fire or whatever it is, power three at that point

983
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: and the and the have nots definitely puts those types

984
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: of schools at a grave disadvantage.

985
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 3: This all again, if these specific dominoes come to pass,

986
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 3: I think there is a non zero chance we're talking

987
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: about the end of Stanford and Cal football, Like if

988
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: they don't join the Big Ten, if they don't join

989
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: the Big Ten, that's what I'm talking about. If they

990
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 3: don't join the Big Ten, Stanford and Cal, there the

991
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: football culture essentially doesn't exist outside of Marshawn Lynch driving

992
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: a cart after we'll be Washington. There are Cal football

993
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 3: super fans. I'm positive. There are Stanford football super fans.

994
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: I'm positive. Are there more than seventy three? I'm not positive.

995
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: So football seems to exist at those places now as

996
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: a great fun bonus. Now, they've both tried to upgrade facilities.

997
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: Stanford a few years ago upgraded there, sort of fixed

998
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: up and remodeled their stadium. It's a cool stadium. I've

999
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: been there. They've did a good job. They're just not

1000
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: buzz generating places. Stanford at least has had success and

1001
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: been to Rose Bowls. One Rose Bowls had you know,

1002
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: top top flight players go onto the NFL and guys

1003
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: like Andrew Luck and Christian McCaffrey.

1004
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: It's been a.

1005
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: Slog though for these past few years. For both of

1006
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: these programs, it's been a slog. Stanford's starting over at

1007
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: coach Cal has not. I mean, Justin Wilcox doesn't seem

1008
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: like he's the long term answer at head coach at Cal.

1009
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: We'll see, but those are schools that have uphill battles

1010
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 3: in terms of getting people excited about football and getting

1011
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: people in their specific region to care and mass about

1012
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: watching their games on TV. So yeah, if Stanford and

1013
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: Keller presented the option, they don't get the Big Ten invite,

1014
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: at least not right away. And they presented the option

1015
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 3: of joining the Mountain West for their survival, or maybe

1016
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: the Big twelve wants them. I don't know, but I

1017
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: don't think they're a fit with the Big twelve. Mountain

1018
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: West or just take that money elsewhere.

1019
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1020
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: For seeing Stanford and Cal football, I don't.

1021
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Know that brings us then to Notre Dame. Yep, I

1022
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: believe the first domino to fall of the remaining schools

1023
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: as we're talking through, I believe the next down to

1024
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: fall will be Florida State. I think they will find

1025
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: some way out out of that vengement sooner than later.

1026
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know how they're going to do it. It

1027
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: might require a little bit of pixie dust and Ben

1028
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Matt Locke, and I don't know how you do it.

1029
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: But the Soues, if there's any school maybe I don't know,

1030
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: but I just the stakes are too high and they

1031
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: value their football program too much to feel like they're

1032
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: in a position where they're left behind. That being said,

1033
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: the existing deal with Notre Dame expires in twenty twenty five.

1034
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is, as Brett mentioned on the last episode,

1035
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: is not necessarily compelled to join a conference.

1036
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: I think they will when they have to.

1037
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: But as he said, as long as they're being paid

1038
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: a decent sum, as long as they still have access

1039
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: to the playoff, it's actually a pretty favorable arrangement for them.

1040
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: They don't have to play that conference championship game. In effect,

1041
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: with the way that they've set up the twelve team playoff,

1042
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: their conference championship game would be their Round one game

1043
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: against whoever. So it's not a bad setup for Notre Dame.

1044
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I do think though, at some point they will be

1045
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: compelled to join a conference. At some point they will

1046
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: have no choice other than to join the Big Ten.

1047
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: The Big Ten, you have to imagine, has a standing

1048
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: invite for Notre Dame. Frankly, the SEC might as well.

1049
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: I think anybody would want Notre Dame and the value

1050
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: that they If this is a money sport now, then

1051
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is a whale. They bring a ton of value.

1052
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: I would not want to see Notre Dame in the SEC.

1053
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: I think that would be a problem for Notre Dame's

1054
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: prospects to compete. But maybe that's a compelling offer. I

1055
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: don't know. The Big Ten makes so much sense, it

1056
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: always has. It has bothered me to know and that

1057
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: they haven't considered it.

1058
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 3: I've got I think a good authority that they are

1059
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: considering all options.

1060
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Jack Swarburg has considered what his next

1061
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: move is here. If if the College Football Earth beneath

1062
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: him crumbles and he has to go looking for a home.

1063
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: The Big Ten would probably be the one that makes

1064
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: the most sense. It just bothers me that it's gotten

1065
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: at this point, Like I feel like they should have

1066
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: done it a long time ago. That just me speaking

1067
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: as a fan. Nonetheless, I think Notre Dame is probably

1068
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: the last one to join. What do you think the

1069
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: sticking points are with Notre Dame in the Big Ten?

1070
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: Now, aside from the obvious, we value our independence, our culture.

1071
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: It's culture of independence. You know this, you know this

1072
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: is our tradition. Our tradition is that we are not

1073
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: adhering fully to conference membership. What do you think when

1074
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: the Big Ten says, look, we'll give you full share

1075
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: seventy million or whatever, eighty million dollars, what do you

1076
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: think the sticking points are with Notre Dame as it

1077
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: relates to the Big Ten? Because it makes sense for

1078
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: all of their sports. They're already in a state with

1079
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: two Big Ten schools. They already have existing pseudo rivalries,

1080
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: at least with the Michigan schools. They've played big games

1081
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: against Ohio State. They have a current home and home

1082
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: with Ohio State. You know, they've played big games, you know,

1083
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 3: not as often, but they've They've played big games against

1084
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 3: a number of other schools within the Big Ten. There's

1085
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: there's scar tissue there. It makes all the sense in

1086
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 3: the world from a familiarity standpoint. Is it the number

1087
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: of home games? Is it the number of overall games?

1088
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: It's Notre Dame because obviously the USC rivalry would be

1089
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: fortified with USC now coming into the Big Ten. What

1090
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: is what does the Notre Dame ask that is too

1091
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: much for the Is Notre Dame asking for more money

1092
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 3: than everybody else?

1093
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: Don't? I don't know if it's so much Notre Dame

1094
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: asking for anything as them having to forfeit independence. And

1095
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: that might sound goofy, I get it. But as Brett

1096
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: said on the last episode, as I've been saying for

1097
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: years now, Pete. So we have Pete Sampson on this show.

1098
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: He's talked about it time and again. The independence thing

1099
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: really is a big deal for Notre Dame people. It

1100
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: really is a big deal. That ability to schedule who

1101
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: you want when you want, to kind of operate as

1102
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: your own little fiefdom in the world of college football,

1103
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: to do things your way when everyone else has to

1104
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: answer to a conference. They value that. They put a

1105
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: really high value on that.

1106
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: Do you think Notre Dame's asking for an acc deal

1107
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: from the Big Ten then.

1108
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: Where they can be kind of like a full time

1109
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: member whenever they want to be.

1110
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: Right, Well, they're saying, look, we want to be Big

1111
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: ten ish, right, we want five games a year, right,

1112
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: and then we want to still be able to schedule

1113
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: Boston College and Navy and a random American team? Like

1114
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 3: do you think Notre Dame is asking for that sort

1115
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: of sweetheart thing? And the Big Ten's like, look, no, no,

1116
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: absolutely not. Like do you think it's haggling over a

1117
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: number of games that like the rest of the conference

1118
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: is going to play nine conference games and Notre Dames

1119
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: like gibe six.

1120
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, let's put it this way. I think,

1121
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: as I just said, the biggest sticking point is probably

1122
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: the independence. And so that's what I'm saying that there

1123
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: is if there is a conversation about how much of

1124
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: that independence they're able to retain, that would not surprise me.

1125
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know to what extent Notre Dame's even talked

1126
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: about being in a conference, right, I have to imagine

1127
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: they've been approached, right, We've read the reports, so for sure,

1128
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: it's not like Jack Swarbrick is is staring out at

1129
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: the landscape wondering what's going on. Jack Swarbrick, I have

1130
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: to believe, is pretty involved in this whole process. Is conversation,

1131
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: and my hunch is that they want to try and

1132
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: retain as much independence as they can. It is a

1133
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: school that prides itself on being able to operate kind

1134
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: of independently and have that mindset. Part of it might

1135
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: be the conference giving them that leeway to sell to

1136
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: their fan base that they're still maintaining some modicum of

1137
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: independence despite the fact that they become in effect a

1138
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: full member of the Big Ten. It's a fascinating conversation

1139
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: and there will be a point at which I think

1140
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: the emotional connection, let's say, to being independent has to

1141
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: go out the window if we start talking about one

1142
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: hundred million versus twenty five million dollars a year, whatever

1143
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: that number is going to be. On some level, it's

1144
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: great to be nostalgic for the past and what once

1145
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: was being able to schedule whoever whenever and operate kind

1146
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: of as her own little thing. But this is about money.

1147
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: Now also, okay, so Notre Dame has money. Notre Dame

1148
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: has money in its coffers, but it also has a

1149
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: lot of And this is where I'm not sure Florida

1150
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: State has. No this is where I'm not sure where

1151
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: Florida State falls in because and I think Florida State

1152
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: has improved their facilities and they will continue to. But

1153
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: I remember, if you remember the Jimbo Fisher thing, there

1154
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 3: was the sticking point of not having a football only facility.

1155
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: That was a source of frustration that it was promised.

1156
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: But it's in you know whatever, that's that's water under

1157
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: the bridge at this point. But does Florida State have

1158
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: those three donors who are saying, yeah, we'll put in

1159
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: eighty million dollars a year to get to the sea.

1160
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: No way, right, So I don't look, this is just

1161
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: a guess. It's just a guess that right now, Florida

1162
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: State doesn't have that kind of They're not swinging around

1163
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 3: that kind of wallet. Notre Dame, on the other hand,

1164
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: from what I can tell, had a lot of money

1165
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: behind it. Yeah, and so when you say twenty five

1166
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: million versus one hundred million, you're also saying, well, look,

1167
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: Booster Larry Booster, Steve Booster, Debra, We're not going to

1168
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: join if you don't want us to join, but we're

1169
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: gonna help need you. We're gonna need help from you.

1170
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: Deframe some of the difference. Right If you feel so

1171
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 3: passionately about throwing your money into an independent school, fine,

1172
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 3: but just know that these are the dollars and cents

1173
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: right now, because those are the ones that are ultimately

1174
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: making that decision.

1175
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: There is another scenario, if we're playing hypotheticals, that we

1176
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: should at least explore sure, and that is the ACC

1177
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: somehow offering a sweetheart deal to Notre Dame, the ACC

1178
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: recognizing that it is in a moment of peril here,

1179
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: that there is an existential crisis. Maybe not in the

1180
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: immediate future, but if things go south in the PAC twelve,

1181
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: the a SEC has to know it's next, it's the

1182
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: next focal point for this company.

1183
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: What is the AC have to offer Notre Dame. I

1184
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: don't know.

1185
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds to me like you're gonna have

1186
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: schools like Florida State, like Clemson. I'm not sure who else.

1187
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: Try to find some sort of a range, try to renegotiate,

1188
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: try to find some sort of way to get uneven

1189
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: shares to be paid what they're quote unquote worth. And

1190
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: in a world like that, you could very easily envision

1191
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: the a SEC going to Notre Dame and saying we'll

1192
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: give you an uneven share if you join the conference.

1193
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: Joining the conference makes all of us more valuable. It

1194
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: allows us to coexist with the quote unquote Big two. Right,

1195
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: is this something you're interesting? I don't think Notre Dame

1196
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: takes that deal. I don't think there's any chance in

1197
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: hell they take that deal.

1198
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 3: There's no universe in which Notre Dame joins any conference

1199
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: other than the Big ten.

1200
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: To me, yeah, I agree with you, but I could

1201
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: at least see that conversation being something that Dennis Dodd

1202
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,479
Speaker 1: reports on in the year twenty twenty five.

1203
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm positive that all of the Notre Dame

1204
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 3: conversations that happened in a back room of a back

1205
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: room of a steakhouse that is so fancy that I

1206
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 3: wouldn't even know how to walk in the door.

1207
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: We talking about like a Shula steakhouse or Shula's a

1208
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's a Mickey mantles.

1209
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 3: That conversation. To me, if I'm guessing, totally guessing. Is

1210
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,959
Speaker 3: not a money thing, because the money is obvious. Of course,

1211
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: you're only going for a crap.

1212
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: Ton of money.

1213
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: To me, it is an independence thing with which was

1214
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: then Kevin Warren, which now will be whoever and Jack

1215
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: Swarbrick or whoever whatever, President Chancellor, you know, anything from

1216
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 3: Notre Dame, whoever's making whoever's in that room making those decisions,

1217
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: passing a piece of paper back and forth that says five,

1218
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 3: five games, and then the back of the paper, the

1219
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: paper that comes back says seven games, and then the

1220
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: paper that comes back says four games. Then the paper

1221
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 3: that back says eight games. Like that, to me is

1222
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: going to be the start of any relationship between Notre

1223
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 3: Dame and one of the Big two, specifically the Big ten.

1224
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't think the ACC has anything to offer because

1225
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 3: like what, look ESPN getting Notre Dame in the ACC. Sure,

1226
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 3: that's a win. ESPIM loves the deal they have with

1227
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: the ACC.

1228
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: They love it.

1229
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: It's a bargain.

1230
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a bargain. It was so it was

1231
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: a bargain when they signed a twenty year deal. Yeah,

1232
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen was not all that long. Ago, but perhaps

1233
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: it lacked the foresight.

1234
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 3: How does how does Clemson in Florida State in the

1235
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 3: SEC strike you? What is your initial thought about an

1236
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: SEC that includes the Gnoles and the Tigers.

1237
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: Florida State. I think makes a ton of sense. It

1238
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense Clemson, at least from a

1239
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: cultural standpoint, It seems like it makes sense.

1240
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: These are schools that, for.

1241
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: All intents and purposes, operate like SEC programs anyway, HM,

1242
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: so that that wouldn't be a weird fit to me

1243
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: at all. It seems like that that makes a lot

1244
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: of sense. I think the limitation for me is that

1245
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: I tend to think of these programs geographically and where

1246
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: it makes sense for them to go next. And we

1247
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: are clearly living in a world that does not matter

1248
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: no right, USC, UCLA, perhaps Oregon and Washington in the

1249
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: Big ten. That doesn't make any sense to thirty year

1250
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: old tie, right, But here we are, So I just

1251
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: I tend to think of it in terms of that

1252
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. Obviously, you've got one Florida school

1253
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: already in the SEC, adding a Miami, adding a Florida state,

1254
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: it just seems like you own the state of Florida.

1255
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: The talent rich Florida. Right, you own that and that's

1256
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: part of the SEC. Now you have annexed it for

1257
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: the SEC outside of UCF, of course. But it strikes

1258
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: me as something that makes a lot of sense and

1259
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: probably as something that both of those schools very much desire.

1260
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: I think it's SEC both of them.

1261
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is Florida State as an independent

1262
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 3: all those years ago, Big East team, ACC team, They've

1263
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 3: always been sort of the big fish. They've been that

1264
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: that koy in the Goldfish Powl. Clemson has ascended to

1265
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 3: that as Florida State has gone downhill and you get threats,

1266
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 3: you get the loss to Pit, you get a loss

1267
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: of Syracuse here, you know, you get the you know

1268
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 3: Sam Howell at the last second trial, Oh they came

1269
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 3: up to short. You get those kind of scares. But

1270
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: Clemson ascended to this big dog in a conference full

1271
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: of medium sized dogs. I'm using fish and dogs. I'm

1272
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 3: really mixing my metaphors up here, Ty, and I apologize

1273
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: for that. Yeah, yeah, I think Clemson just gets totally

1274
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: lost in the shuffle in the SEC. I don't think

1275
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 3: there's anything unique about Dabbo and Clemson in the SEC.

1276
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 3: I don't know how they would Peacock and stand out

1277
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: at all. There's already a team in that state in

1278
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 3: the SEC, so that's not adding novelty. Even though they've

1279
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 3: been much better than South Carolina until this past year.

1280
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: I just I think they get totally lost. I think

1281
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: there becomes a lot less special about Clemson, which already

1282
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: has a difficult time selling itself as a national power.

1283
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 3: Even with the national championships, Clemson football has not moved

1284
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 3: the needle. People are not watching Clemson in droves across

1285
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: the country. It is not something that has revolutionized anything

1286
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: in the way that like college football fandom exists. It's

1287
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: been an unbelievably successful program and a great story for

1288
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys. But Clemson and the SEC,

1289
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, they have a schedule full

1290
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: of teams that have much bigger fan bases and have

1291
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 3: won much more historically and just bring a lot more

1292
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,479
Speaker 3: national cachet to the table. Are you much more likely

1293
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 3: to watch Florida Clemson than you are Florida Tennessee?

1294
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: No? Are you?

1295
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: Like?

1296
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: I just I don't see in terms of juice what

1297
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 3: Clemson actually brings to table. I just think they become

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Speaker 3: another team after leaving a conference in which they are

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Speaker 3: the team.

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Speaker 1: What happens next? Then in our in our goofy little

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Speaker 1: Oregon trail game here, I'll play this same yeah, please

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Speaker 1: to close things out, We've now got a world in

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Speaker 1: which the ACC is dead. Notre Dames joined the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: We've got a Big ten in SEC, a Big twelve

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Speaker 1: with a lot of high quality spare parts. Let's say

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Speaker 1: a Mountain West that's been a bit reinforced, the MAC, which,

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Speaker 1: as Brett said, is like cockroaches on Armageddon. It will

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Speaker 1: forever remain self contained. You've got other conferences here in

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Speaker 1: the American losing quality teams. The American loses quality teams.

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Speaker 1: The Sun Belt is probably still the Fun Belt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's not like we're void of teams beyond

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Speaker 1: those top two conferences. But we are clearly in a

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Speaker 1: world in which we've got Big ten, the SEC, the

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Speaker 1: high quality spare part, high quality spare FBS parts in

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve, and then everybody else. Is there a

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Speaker 1: next thing that happens? Are we waiting for the big

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Speaker 1: bang where everybody decouples?

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Speaker 3: What happens now, Well, you'll have power four with Big twelve,

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Speaker 3: SEC ACC, Big ten.

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Speaker 2: In this scenario, you'll.

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Speaker 1: Know, in this scenario, the ACC is dead.

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Speaker 3: Oh, in this scenario of the a CEC is dead

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Speaker 3: and picked apart picked apart man. So you have Big three,

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Speaker 3: Ish Big and Hal adds somebody. Now, I think for

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Speaker 3: the purposes of this, the Big two are going to

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Speaker 3: get all of the attention. But I still think you're

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Speaker 3: going to get, you know, some sort of automatic playoff

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Speaker 3: consideration for the Big twelve considering the number of quality

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Speaker 3: programs there that I think it stands out from its competition.

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Speaker 2: Beneath the Big two. To be clear, Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 3: Going to see I think you're going to see teams

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Speaker 3: decide that football at a certain price point, especially when

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Speaker 3: you mention players becoming employees and they're needing to be

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Speaker 3: salaries and insurance and tax considerations. I think they're going

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Speaker 3: to see programs say like, we can't fill a stadium

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Speaker 3: and it's not worth it to us, We can't we

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Speaker 3: can't operate with making you know, two and a half

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Speaker 3: million dollars, five million dollars, eight million dollars, we can't compete.

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Speaker 3: And then the amount of coaching turnover, the amount of

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Speaker 3: player turnover. With how easy it is currently to move

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Speaker 3: around the sport, I think you're just going to see

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Speaker 3: programs that if they're not breaking even at the very least,

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Speaker 3: if they're not breaking even over time, they're going to

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Speaker 3: drop a level or they're just going to abandon the sport.

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Speaker 3: That's been the history of the sport, by the way,

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Speaker 3: that has very much. So I just think it's it's

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Speaker 3: going to be cyclical in its nature, just in a

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Speaker 3: new way.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, you and I talked a lot this episode.

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Speaker 2: That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from not my dog, who again

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Speaker 1: is barking.

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Speaker 2: But it's okay. We want to hear from the verballerhoods.

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Speaker 1: Soliverbo at gmail dot com as always is the email address,

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Speaker 1: don't forget. You can also we go on out to

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Speaker 1: our patreon at verbolers dot com if you want to

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Speaker 1: take part in our community, be part of our discord.

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Speaker 1: Let us know there what you think about the next

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Speaker 1: moves in college football. You can also find us all

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Speaker 1: across social media where Twitter, Facebook, We're doing a lot

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Speaker 1: more on YouTube. We're posting videos out there pretty much

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Speaker 1: every day, so go on out find our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you hit subscribe and smash the like.

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Speaker 1: Button, as the kids say, as we're trying hard to

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Speaker 1: grow that as quickly as we can. Dan, this is

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Speaker 1: a hot button issue. We debated whether or not we

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Speaker 1: wanted to build the entire plane out of it this week,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like we have no choice. It's a

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Speaker 1: thing that people are searching for and talking about and

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Speaker 1: obviously have hot takes and opinions on. This is not

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Speaker 1: going to change in the immediate future. What I would say,

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Speaker 1: as we kind of zoom back in here on where

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Speaker 1: things stand at the moment, it's going to get real

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Speaker 1: interesting the next six weeks. The next six weeks I

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Speaker 1: think are crucial with respect to where this story goes next.

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Speaker 1: So even if you're not interested in the whole galaxy

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Speaker 1: brain thing that Dan and I laid out here today,

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Speaker 1: the next month and a half or so, getting into

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Speaker 1: April after the NCAA tornament, that time period will be

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Speaker 1: a very very tender time, especially for the PAC twelve

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Speaker 1: as they try to hash out these METEA rites. Pay

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Speaker 1: very close attention to that. I've been writing about it

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Speaker 1: every week in the newsletter, which I guess I didn't

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Speaker 1: mention at the top of the show, which you can

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Speaker 1: go to our website and sign up for. I want

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Speaker 1: to stop writing about it, I really truly do, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like it bums people out. It bums me

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Speaker 1: out to write, definitely. But that's just where we're at.

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Speaker 1: That's the news of the day.

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Speaker 3: So more to come, right, Yeah, we're going to send

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Speaker 3: each other pagers so anytime, yeah, breaks, we're ready to roll.

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Speaker 3: We're going to wear them on our belts like the

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Speaker 3: cool grown ups that we are. Maybe we'll install some

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Speaker 3: irons in our homes.

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Speaker 2: And like, all right, well corner schools are gone. What

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Speaker 2: does that mean? That's right, that's right, all right, that's

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Speaker 2: all I have tie for.

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Speaker 1: That guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein for myself.

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Speaker 1: Tie he'll the brand. Thanks so much for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 1: for playing along at home. Don't forget to go on

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Speaker 1: out to forbawlers dot com. We've got a bonus Brunet episode.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna ask questions. Talk to

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Speaker 1: y'all soon, Stay side peace,