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Speaker 2: Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: We've got a final four for the NFL, and we've

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Speaker 1: got another head coach looking for work. Welcome in. It

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Speaker 1: is I want your Flex. He is Mike Carmon. Hit

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Speaker 1: him up at Swollen Dome. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer on Fox. Ian Roddy is the show's executive producer.

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Speaker 1: Find him at Ian Roddy Underscore and Mike. Buffalo loses

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Speaker 1: on Saturday to the Denver Broncos, and on Monday they

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Speaker 1: tell their head coach to get lost as they fires

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott after nine seasons. I guess that could have

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Speaker 1: been nicer, but oh well, But the Buffalo Bills, who

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Speaker 1: had been to the playoffs eight times during McDermott's nine seasons,

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Speaker 1: now they're looking for a new leader to take them

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Speaker 1: back to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Hell of a run, a bunch of playoff wins, but

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Speaker 3: not great advancement, as we saw time and again, calling

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Speaker 3: out obliquely your front office by extolling the virtues of

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Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers and his addition and what he meant to

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville probably didn't help your case along the way the

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Speaker 3: fact that your defense didn't show up against Jacksonville for

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Speaker 3: much of the day, and certainly didn't in your loss

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Speaker 3: But all in the you give up thirty three points, right,

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Speaker 3: he can't account for the turnovers. Those are bad decisions

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Speaker 3: one that went against you that you were vocal about.

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Speaker 3: But in the end, you know, I've always called it

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Speaker 3: the A to B B two C kind of situation.

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Speaker 3: And McDermott stable, and you got Josh Allen finishing year

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Speaker 3: eight and you've had the heroics and some greatness. Now

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Speaker 3: you can look, and as we did much of the year,

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Speaker 3: the three of us looking at the Buffalo roster and

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Speaker 3: going what's special beyond those two guys, right beyond Cook

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Speaker 3: and Alan. Yeah, Shakira was a nice move, those chains

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Speaker 3: kind of guy. Every once in a while, a flash

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Speaker 3: ready to win this year? And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 3: stand for McDermott because in the end, you got to

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Speaker 3: work with what's given to you. And they fail in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the spot that I think that Terry Pagoula,

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Speaker 1: the Bills owner, is in. And there were some reports

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Speaker 1: Bean was not good. It was not necessarily close. There

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Speaker 1: I think something had to be done, and if you're

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Speaker 1: it's you know, put over in different versions, and he's

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Speaker 1: that needed to change. I have no idea any other

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Bean ends up getting a promotion out

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Speaker 3: half sequencing was deplorable. Yes, right, I mean that's about

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Speaker 3: as that's as coachable a tape as anything. It's like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the year of living dangerously across the NFL, we've

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Speaker 3: The never let it go to the judges. Now, obviously

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Speaker 3: that means something's going badly or they're just jacked, and

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Speaker 3: But all of that to say, it's like, whenever you

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Speaker 3: have a circumstance like wow, the official ruled this, like well,

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Speaker 3: you had fifty nine minutes plus to do other things.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't minimize that play or the call that you

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Speaker 3: a victim mentality of the football gods hating you going

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Speaker 3: back thirty thirty forty years at this point. But in

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Speaker 3: the old All right, we chucked it downfield. Either get

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Speaker 3: anything you had going was great, and then you have

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Speaker 3: the fumble in the ensuing possession to start the second half.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of surprised Peyton didn't try to go

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Speaker 1: There's u in Sean Payton's ben riverboat gambler, you know

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Speaker 1: got Will Watts so right, That's that's the reason that

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Speaker 3: That's it. But you had the one play that I

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Speaker 3: this push that aside for a second. That throw that

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Speaker 3: he missed the Dawson Knox with sixteen seconds remaining, like that,

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Speaker 1: too much and that is a representation of the bills

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Speaker 1: set up. And I'm not trying to give Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that that's what happened. But when

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Speaker 3: Which is why you know when he was crying saying

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Speaker 3: it was me, and I know the lot of tears

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Speaker 3: shed by teammates. No, no, no, that's our whatever they no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: Back to last cycle.

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Speaker 1: you know, toush push sort of deal. But even in

431
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks game against the forty nine ers, they got

432
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Speaker 1: the football back after stopping San Francisco in Niners territory,

433
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: they drove down, had a pass to JSN that got

434
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Speaker 1: him down to about the you know, six yard by

435
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: or something like that. But it's fourth and two and

436
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: they kick the field goal to go up twenty seven

437
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: to six, Like they didn't go for it, and I'm like,

438
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I go, Actually, that's probably right because

439
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: San Francisco isn't probably gonna be able to score three touchdowns.

440
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: It's probably the right move, no reason to give them momentum.

441
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: So I was fine with it. Were you fine with

442
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: the call in the first quarter of the fourth and

443
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: two of them not going or going for it and

444
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: not kicking it.

445
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: In the in the first quarter? Is sure because your

446
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 3: presumption and I think you know you had the can

447
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers match this here? It's you're not

448
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: gonna shut the Rams down forever? And sure enough they

449
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: go and take take the ball straight down for a touchdown.

450
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: But and and then after after that, Dennis Allen called

451
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: a masterful game. And those cornerbacks, Gordon in particular, who

452
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: had been picked on coming off of injury and had

453
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: been the ISO guy, you know, like the you watch

454
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: the mutual of omaha things of oh no, that little

455
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 3: guy's a little bit you No, no, the Jackals are

456
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Speaker 3: going to get him. That's how you felt with Gordon

457
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: in the past. Uh. Here they all stepped up. All

458
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 3: of those guys made big plays time and again. Uh.

459
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: And so it then the down and distance and the

460
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: game math changes immenseally. But in that first quarter, yeah, absolutely,

461
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Speaker 3: to go for it in that situation though, I thought

462
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Speaker 3: was the right go. But to your to your point

463
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Speaker 3: about the two point conversion, Dan, yeah, your third and

464
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: fourth down play calling in those situations, uh really left

465
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Speaker 3: something to be desired.

466
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Speaker 1: What is their deal with with not using menong guy

467
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Speaker 1: all the time in those situations?

468
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Speaker 3: I'd have known I would feel like, yeah.

469
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Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Like I mean, I'm you know, you're

470
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: you know much more about that team that I do.

471
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Speaker 1: But in seeing it's not that Deandrew Swift is a

472
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: bad option. I just think that manan guy would be

473
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Speaker 1: the guy that you would want in those situations.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so yeah, Swift is the patient dance

475
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: and wait for something to emerge or get to the edge.

476
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: Manung Guy's gonna run straight through you. And in short

477
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: yarded situations, I'll take my chance that that guy comes

478
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: that runs in like a bowling ball time and time again.

479
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: And they didn't, and so that that was confusing. As

480
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: the game wore on and the fourth down or even

481
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Speaker 3: like the third down calls, you know, I was like,

482
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Speaker 3: all right, well, if we know you're going for it

483
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Speaker 3: on fourth, So why are we just calling the run

484
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: straight into the line. Why isn't there a little bit?

485
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: And then Collinsworth even brought it up on the broadcast

486
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Speaker 3: like that, you're not you know, moving the pocket or

487
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: given Caleb a chance just for a straight quarterback draw

488
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: or sneak or or end around or whatever you're gonna do,

489
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Speaker 3: or I should say, go around the edge. But yeah,

490
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Speaker 3: I think Manung guy is one of those guys that

491
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Speaker 3: I think there were there were more opportunities in those

492
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Speaker 3: situations to utilize him, for sure, but yeah, the curiosity

493
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Speaker 3: the third down calls were really kind of maddening over time.

494
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Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna be the They're gonna be the primetime darlings.

495
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: I think next year the Bears are. I think that

496
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: the TV Networks. I think they're gonna be, you know,

497
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: one of the three teams that has six prime time

498
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: games because there is a lot to get excited about.

499
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: And I do think that Caleb Williams is must see

500
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: TV and Ben Johnson as well. And so sorry the

501
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: ride had to end like it did, but it was

502
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: a heck of a ride. I mean, even Ashton Kutcher

503
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: is saying, you know, greatest game that he's ever been

504
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: to or b blah blah blah. But a lot of

505
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: good will at least coming from the Bears. But still,

506
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be a bitter pill to swallow.

507
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 3: Well, especially since I live in Los Angeles, not that

508
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: there's a lot of Rams fans, but I certainly seem

509
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: to draw him like a magnet. Between Sunday night and

510
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: and the time of us sitting down to record this podcast,

511
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: certainly a number of texts from folks, weren't you, like, well,

512
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: I live in LA Like no, no, no, don't do

513
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: that to me. You know, those those adopted things. I

514
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: guess you live and you start to grow some infinity

515
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: to it. But you know, the longtime friends that you

516
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: know out of the Blues tough one and then they

517
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: send you a logo of their team that's still alive.

518
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, thanks, thanks, Oh my Patriots fan friends that

519
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: are out there from my living on the East Coast

520
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: back in the day, It's like, yeah, thanks for sending

521
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: that along. I appreciate you.

522
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Well, there's there's a part of me that it's not

523
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: to be careful what you wish for. But I just

524
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: didn't want the Seahawks to face the Rams because it's

525
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: just division rivals and it can be a coin toss. Sure,

526
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: even if you know, if the Seahawks coming off of

527
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: a great game, Rams coming off of an overtime contest,

528
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's travel involved, there's advantages with the Seahawks.

529
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: But it was just of, yeah, this is a team

530
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: that just you guys know each other so well that

531
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: it may be a coin toss. Now. It was with

532
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and I'm hoping that it was

533
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: the case with the Seahawks. But in saying all of that,

534
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was saying to myself, I don't know

535
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: if I just go up against the kalab Williams, who

536
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: could be hot and the weapons at they have, and

537
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: when the Bears run the ball it was it was

538
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: daunting as well. So it wasn't asking for the Bears

539
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: by any means. It was just more of the Rams

540
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: in that situation. And I thought the Bears and Seahawks

541
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: were to play in the NFC Championship game, it would

542
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: be a heck of a matchup on something.

543
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 3: Fun little chess match between your head coach and you know,

544
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: Ben Johns hitting after it right, Let's let's play a

545
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: little cat and mouse. I like the little exchange after

546
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: the game McVeigh and Johnson and the McVeigh seeking out

547
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: Dennis Allen. That was cool. But man, your Seahawks forty

548
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: one to six opening kickoff return for a touchdown, Like

549
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: folks didn't even get to their chairs, you know, in

550
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: their homes obviously in the stadium, everybody was jacked up

551
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: and ready to go. But like, just like that, it's like, whoa,

552
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: all right, and we're off. And then it didn't stop.

553
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: I saw the meme from the Simpsons, the stop stop.

554
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: He's already dead by the end of the first quarter.

555
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: Once JSN scored that touchdown.

556
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was a heck of a touchdown. They

557
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: weren't great, Oh, Darnold wasn't great. He didn't need to be.

558
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: He had that oblique issue. And then when Zach Scharbaday

559
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: went out, it was just a whole bunch of Kenneth

560
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: Walker And that'll be interesting to see on how it

561
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: plays Sunday because they don't have a lot of running

562
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: back depth. They just had Vellis Jones ended up being

563
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: the one who was activated and then had to get

564
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: a couple of carries at the end of the game

565
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to hurt Walker, who, by the way,

566
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: is known to get hurt. So they're in an interesting

567
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: spot in that running back spot. But Walker looked great

568
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: in the defense, just just playing with such an edge

569
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: right now, such a chip on their shoulder. And I

570
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: wonder if, even though they won on that Thursday night game,

571
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: if the defense is gonna, you know, have that chip

572
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: on their shoulder for the game against the Rams because

573
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: of what Puka Nakua and Matthew Stafford did against them.

574
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: So they're I mean, they're gonna get their plays the

575
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: Rams are. It's now going to be interesting to see

576
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: on how many of the plays they'll get from a

577
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: from a defense that right now is just playing top

578
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: notch of the Seahawks.

579
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Speaker 3: So take me back to Saturday, about ninety minutes before kickoff.

580
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: How much did you think you might have been seeing

581
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Speaker 3: Drew Locke.

582
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Speaker 1: Well, the thing that I said was even like for

583
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Speaker 1: the forty nine er fans that wanted Darnold to be out,

584
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I was like, he's going to give you two turnovers.

585
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would want him out. He's

586
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna throw an interception, or two or fumble or something.

587
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: He did not do that. He did he did neither,

588
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: So that was a positive sign. But it was really

589
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: funky just on how it all transpired, because there's a

590
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: pop up on the injury reports sort of deal, and

591
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: by all accounts that I heard, he was he was

592
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: going to be fine, but it does seem to be

593
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more maybe a little bit more serious,

594
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: and since it apparently happened to what in Thursday's practice

595
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: that it could be an issue. A good thing is

596
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: they didn't need them to throw a bunch against the

597
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, and then we did see Drew Locke

598
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: ultimately in the end.

599
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 3: There you go. So twelve or seventeen I would be remiss,

600
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: but I didn't point out that Jones also, after advancing

601
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: to the NFC title game and the Bears loss, he

602
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: couldn't wait to hit send unmocking the Bears his former squad.

603
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: So you got that, yeah, immediately, almost instantly. It was

604
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: like almost like it was a scheduled tweet. But it

605
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: was just kind of funny. But I mean, the Seattle defense,

606
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: and we've talked about it all year, guys. I mean,

607
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: that's just like watching poetry that's reminiscent of that raven squad.

608
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 3: Go back forty years to the Bears, some of the

609
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: other dominant defenses that we've been privy to seeing, and

610
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: I know the forty nine ers are beat up. McCaffrey

611
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 3: was still there, you still had a couple of your

612
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: other big time would be starters there, and you got

613
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: a couple of guys back healthy. I obviously know George Kittle,

614
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: but like this, just watching the way they swarmed the

615
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: ball all season long, and certainly right now playing at

616
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: a fever pitch right now, if you're Matthew Stafford and company,

617
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: you're trying to figure out how quickly can I get

618
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: the ball out of my hand?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ian, I don't know. I'm sure you loved Leonard

620
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: Williams time with the Jets, even though it wasn't as

621
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: long as he would have hoped. But I was telling Ian,

622
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: I think earlier today. If it was you, Ian, you

623
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: can recall this. If it wasn't you, I apologize, And

624
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea who I was talking to, and

625
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't drunk at work, but Leonard Williams and the

626
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: deal that they did for him a couple of years

627
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: ago from the from the Giants and they end up

628
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: acquiring him and then they signed him to that long

629
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: term deal. Like there was a bit of a risk,

630
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: but everything started to flow after that. And then you

631
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: have the hiring of Mike McDonald and the pieces you

632
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: got Byron Murphy, you know, a great, you know, defensive

633
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: lineman middle of the first round. He was I think

634
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: sixteen overall. That was the drafter. He had fourteen offensive

635
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: guys you know, go off the board in the first part.

636
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: So they got the you know, arguably the best defensive

637
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: player in that draft in the middle of the first round.

638
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: So that helped them. And then the acquisition of Ernest

639
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: Jones and Emon Worrie and Devin Witherspoon with the first

640
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, with their first round pick in the year

641
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: they drafted JSN as well. Like everything is hit and

642
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: now this defense is Legion of Boom esque. But the

643
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: secret with the Legion of is the secret of this

644
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: defense which isn't a secret. It's what they do up front.

645
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Speaker 1: If you only have to rush four guys, it makes

646
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: it a lot easier. And when the Seahawks had Michael

647
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: Bennett and Cliff Avril and Chris Clements shout out to

648
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, by the way, who mentioned Chris Clemens when

649
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: he was talking about those Seahawks team. Because Chris clemens

650
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: mate is defensive end, blew on his knee in a

651
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: game against the Redskins. Then Redskins in the wild card

652
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: game couldn't play against the Falcons. But if they have

653
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Chris Clemens in that game, they maybe go to the

654
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that year against the Baltimore Ravens because they

655
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: were getting after the quarterback. But that's where it all starts.

656
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: That's where the Seahawks bread and butter is. When you

657
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: could just rush four and I'm watching the NFL network

658
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: right now and they're just rushing for again and you

659
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: can get to the quarterback. It makes things a heck

660
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: of a lot easier.

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Speaker 3: I love that passion as you started talking about those

662
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: those guys all, particularly as you brought up Clements, like

663
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: I could see your mind's eye right there and what

664
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Speaker 3: you were watching in that video screen in your head, Dan.

665
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: Byer, Oh, it was great, great memories. But now Seahawks

666
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: and Rams, we got that in the NFC Championship game.

667
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Mike's Bear's not there. But bigger things ahead, all right,

668
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final time out. We'll be back

669
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: on the other end, talk to little Pats, Texans, what's

670
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: wrong with CJ Stroud? And how is Denver gonna deal

671
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Speaker 1: without Bonix. It's all next here on I Want Your Flex.

672
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to I Want Your Flex. He's Mike Carmon,

673
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: that's Ian Roddy, our executive producer. I'm Dan Beyer. Before

674
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Speaker 1: we get to how is Jared Stidham going to solve

675
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: the riddle of the New England Patriots. We're gonna talk

676
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: about and figure out how the Patriots got to this

677
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: point and is it all CJ. Stroud related, because boy,

678
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: he's the one that's taken the most heat from that

679
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Texans lost to New England on Sunday.

680
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the unfortunate part of it, right, You gotta

681
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: have a fall guy, and when your defense still is

682
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: terrorizing the opposing quarterback, scoring points, all all of that stuff,

683
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: it's you start looking for the guy and it's the quarterback.

684
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: And unfortunately he also you know, gets tied to the

685
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: famous interaction with Caleb Williams. Given William's success of hey

686
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna be you know, keep your head up somebody's like,

687
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: is Caleb gonna go seek him out to return the

688
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: favor kind of thing. But all of it, it's just

689
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 3: a tough watch right now. And I know Nico Collins

690
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: wasn't there, Schultz got injured during the game. But there's

691
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: just misses and just the processing has slowed down. I

692
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: know Troy Aikman had his comments and some folks took

693
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: it as you know, this this horrible thing to say.

694
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 3: It's like, it's not attacking the guy, it's just watching

695
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: what you're seeing between the white lines. Something needs to

696
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: be done in that offensive set to to figure out,

697
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: you know, where that regression is. Whether it's you know,

698
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: is feeling the heat before it's there. Right, we talk

699
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: about natural versus unnatural pressure, right You're you're hearing footsteps

700
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: or feeling it that you've got to get rid of

701
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: it before you go before you have to, or or

702
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: forcing the issue either way. Dan, I mean, it's it

703
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: was just a tough watch. And that defense did for

704
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: the second straight week everything they could to give him

705
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the toughest thing that I saw was some of

707
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: the passes and just the quality of passes, and by

708
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: that I don't even just mean on target, because a

709
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: bunch of them obviously weren't because they were intercepted, but

710
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: also there were just some there're some ducks. Yeah, there's

711
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: no zip on the ball. I don't know if it

712
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: was the weather. I don't know if he had if

713
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, he was having trouble gripping the football, but

714
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: the football was just when you combine it with that weather,

715
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: and if you don't put force on it and throw

716
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: it with a tight spiral, it can go anywhere and

717
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: it takes a while for it to get there when

718
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: you're not throwing in a spiral. And that was like,

719
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Speaker 1: that was the thing that I was concerned with. Is

720
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, for as much as Caleb Williams and Matthew

721
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Stafford had to deal with the cold, they can throw

722
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: the football. They have got you know, they've got cannons.

723
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Speaker 1: And I was surprised to see CJ. Stroud struggle in

724
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: that point. I do think that there is a question

725
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Speaker 1: about his contract. What I don't think though, is if

726
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: you were to look at CJ. Stroud, I think half

727
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: the league would take CJ. Stroud right now and think

728
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: that they're the ones that can do it. Because I

729
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: think there's enough there to point to where you're like, Okay,

730
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: can't just be the quarterback. You know, we've known about

731
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: their line troubles. They really haven't had a running game

732
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: until Woody Marx came on at the end of the year.

733
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Speaker 1: But I don't think teams are worried about Woody Marx

734
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: right now. And then you don't have Nico Collins in

735
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: this game. And look at all the wide receivers that

736
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: he's gone through over the last three seasons, right, I mean,

737
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: we thought that he and Tank Dell the rookie year,

738
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Speaker 1: aside from Nico Collins, we're going to be the great tandem,

739
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: and then Dal gets hurt and gets hurt again the

740
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Speaker 1: next year, and Stefan Diggs is there, and then Stefan

741
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: Diggs gets hurt, and so there is just there's a

742
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: lot with it. But he hasn't had a lot of

743
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: consistency with the targets outside of Nico Collins, who again

744
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: wasn't available for the game against New England. So I

745
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: just don't think it's all on CJ. Straw. But he

746
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: does bear the responsibility of a four interception game.

747
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about no, that's it, right, you changed

748
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: up your oc this year, Slowick leaves, so you got

749
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: Nick Kyley there. So some of that becomes Look, by

750
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: this point in the season, whatever issues you have personally

751
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: or communication wise, you'd like to thank your professionals, and

752
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: you've solved some of that. I think what you're saying

753
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: in terms of football grip and all of that is

754
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 3: is apt. You know, talking about you know, sub ducts

755
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: or wishing and hoping that a guy is going to

756
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: run under a ball kind of scenario. Unfortunately you're playing defense.

757
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: Is that while they may not get the marquee value

758
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: of yours, man, you're at the point where they're all

759
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: pretty good. Then you know the teams that are left standing,

760
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: So any any inch that you give is going to

761
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: be taken up. Yeah. And I think if you did

762
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: go go through, you've seen enough from him that you'd

763
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: love to be the guy quote fix him yep. Right,

764
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: And if you're there looking at what Houston is, You've

765
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: got a couple of nice young wide receivers. The kids,

766
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 3: all the Iowa State kids, right, Tank Dell. We never

767
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: count on him finding his re emergence. Nico Collins unfortunately

768
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: miss missed the game with concussion but yeah, it's the

769
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: old Ocean's eleven. You think we need one more? Yeah,

770
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: you need to go find another guy. You need to

771
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: go find another relief. And and I don't know that

772
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: you have the answer at running back. You thought it

773
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 3: was going to be some combination of Marx and chubbment

774
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: Marx and who going forward.

775
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: I have no idea who it's going to be. But

776
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: you can't expect Jill Mixon, right oh, right, Like they

777
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: had their eggs in the back in that basket kind of,

778
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, at the start of the year, and then

779
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: he was there and we talked about our great mixing

780
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: was last year for him. But there's a there's a

781
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: lot that needs to be fixed in Houston. And it

782
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: is a shame because that defense is so good. But

783
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: that's all so maybe a reason why right there's they

784
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: maybe can't do stuff with their offensive line. Maybe that's

785
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: why they had to draft the Iowa state kids in

786
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: Higgins and Noel, And so those are the decisions that

787
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: the Texans ultimately had to make. I just don't think

788
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: that you can have the full referendum on CJ. Stroud.

789
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: If anything, he was probably more a victim of his

790
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: first year's success to where he is right now. The

791
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: playoff success has been interesting. I know people have thrown

792
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: out stats that it's been more about the defense, and

793
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I still think, like the talent is there.

794
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: I still think that you would. I don't know, Ian,

795
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm wrong, or Mike as well.

796
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: But you know, you look at a Bryce Young who

797
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: was picked ahead of c J. Stroud at that point.

798
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: He's turned out better than than Young has so far.

799
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: We obviously know that Stroud's better than Anthony Richardson at

800
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: this point. So I still think that there's time for him.

801
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: It's just do you give him the big contract now?

802
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: Probably not? Probably it's probably not exercises fifty year option

803
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: and call it good and then go from there and

804
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: negotiate some other time.

805
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to do a team like the

806
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: Jets or the Raiders, well, obviously the Raiders are pretty

807
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: much have the rights to Mendoza now, but just one

808
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: of these bottom feeder teams who needs a quarterback that

809
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: they would trade the farm for CJ.

810
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 4: Even after this game, it's just like, you know, even

812
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: watching it, like there's so many things you can point

813
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: to that just you you can clean them up, like

814
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: it's it's not that it's not that he doesn't deserve

815
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: flak for the game that he had and it was

816
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: and seeing him repeatedly just toss the ball up whenever

817
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: he was in the middle of getting sat like, those

818
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: are things you just can't be doing. But there are

819
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: things that a coach who knows what he's doing can

820
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 4: come in and teach you how to clean that stuff

821
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: up like these aren't things that are like, Okay, I

822
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: saw a terrible, terrible playoff multiple playoff games from Stroud.

823
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: So now I'm just convinced he can't do it. I'm

824
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 4: not there yet.

825
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: I think there's Yeah, the jury is still out now.

826
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: The jury the evidence of Stroud as of late hasn't

827
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: been great. But I just if you look at what's

828
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: going on throughout this season injury wise, with the Texans

829
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: and the targets that they've had, I do think that

830
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: he needs a little bit more leeway. But he is

831
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, again, they'll exercise the fifth year option on

832
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: him and figuring out, you know, a long term deal. Well,

833
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: maybe the numbers are a little bit less than what

834
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: they were, but I don't know. If you're Houston if

835
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 1: you're giving up on that plan right now.

836
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Nineteen touchdowns, eight picks, three thousand yards, completion percentage,

837
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: best of his career. Yeah, Christian Kirk showed up for

838
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: those final two games, but I mean that's whatever. But

839
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: and you had Nico Collins, Schultz and a mix of

840
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: other guys. The Joe Mixon not being there that was

841
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: a big piece, right because of his ability as a

842
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: receiver out of the backfield would have been nice. But

843
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: all of that to say, yeah, it's tough that you

844
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: got to make that big contract decision. But as far

845
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: as where he is as a quarterback, I think what

846
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: you said was the key there.

847
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Dan.

848
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: The way he played that first year and kind of

849
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: set everybody's hair on fire is the best and the worst,

850
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: because anything that doesn't match that, even if you really

851
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: kind of do. I mean, that was twenty three and

852
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: five thirty eight. Like the difference isn't that huge if

853
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 3: you look at it statistically. He just had the one

854
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: big game in the spotlight when everybody actually watched the Texans.

855
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's those one off games to shed

856
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: a lot of light, and those playoff games are those

857
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: one off games all right, So the Patriots win. Drake

858
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: May and Crew Cruz invertiface. Now, Jared Stidham in the

859
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: Broncos I said, you know, when we were talking about

860
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Speaker 1: this on my Sunday show, I said, I think Sean

861
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: Payton will relish this opportunity like this is Sean Payton's

862
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to say lucky here. I just took a backup

863
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Speaker 1: quarterback and beat the New England Patriots to go to

864
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think s Pyton, not that you

865
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Speaker 1: wouldn't want bon Nicks, However, I think that the Broncos

866
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Speaker 1: can use this as a motivating factor, a rallying call,

867
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Speaker 1: if you will. And I expect a very good game

868
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Speaker 1: from Denver on Sunday against New England even without bon

869
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: Nicks in the game.

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Speaker 3: Denver a five point home favorite forty two the total.

871
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Speaker 3: Give me the points five point. Yeah, they're getting five

872
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: points at home. I don't need the points. I'm with you.

873
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: Jared Stidham was brought in immediately by Sean Payton and

874
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: has been with him for three years. There's a reason

875
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: that a guy just sticks around like that like that

876
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: just is a nice guy. And to your quote about

877
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: Sean Payton as he did to that reporter, like, I

878
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: have a liking problem with Sean Payton. I think he's

879
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: a guy that will do everything he can to tell

880
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: you how smart he is. And this is an opportunity

881
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: on the field to do that and to wink and

882
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: nod and smile at everybody as he does it. And

883
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: I think they have enough talent on both sides of

884
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Speaker 3: the ball to get it done.

885
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Speaker 1: I almost feel like it's everything is coming so quickly

886
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: for New England. Then it can't be this easy, it

887
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: can't be this perfect for them, right. Drake may is

888
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: a star and MVP candidate. The you know, the secondary

889
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: is just playing out of their mind. Christian Gonzales, after

890
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: being hurt earlier on in the season, is living up

891
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: to his hype. The defense like they're just it seems

892
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: that it's too good to be true for them. And now,

893
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: as you said, they're a five point favorite on the

894
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Speaker 1: road because of the Denver quarterbacking situation. So even if

895
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: it was bo Nix was there, I thought the line

896
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Speaker 1: was going to be I thought I read Mike Denver

897
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: minus one, so they would have been a one point favorite.

898
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: But it just to me is like almost too much,

899
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: too soon for New England, like there's got to be

900
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: some sort of struggle. Maybe they're counting the Gerrod Mayo

901
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: season last year or those couple of Belichick seasons is

902
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: as the struggle. But it just seems stuff has come

903
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: way too easy for the Patriots for them to just

904
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: coast into a super Bowl.

905
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 4: Like this, they have to be the luckiest team in

906
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 4: recent NFL history because look at the fact that they

907
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 4: had the lowest strength of schedule in the regular season.

908
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: So there you go. One seed helped a lot in

909
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: getting that. And then you get to the playoffs. Wildcard

910
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: round you face the Chargers, who don't have an offensive

911
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: line right now. Divisional round you face the Texans who

912
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: are without Nicocollins and c. J. Stroud gives you the

913
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: ball four times, and obviously the Patriots deserve credit for

914
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 4: forcing him to do that, but still it is what

915
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 4: it is. And now in the conference championship game you

916
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: get the Broncos with Jared Stidham. It's insane to me.

917
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: It's like they've gotten a free ticket to the super Bowl.

918
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: And obviously we'll see if they actually end up winning

919
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: this game, but if they win it, that's what the

920
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: narrative is going to be is how easy this was,

921
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: and the fact that it feels like they're a year

922
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: ahead because they weren't supposed to be this good this quickly.

923
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: And what bothers me even more is the fact that

924
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: they have Josh McDaniel, who is a great offensive coordinator,

925
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: and they have him for as long as they want

926
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 4: him because he's never getting another head coach a job

927
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 4: again twice. They are just so set up for success

928
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: for so long.

929
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: And I hate it. I can I can feel that.

930
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 3: Excuse I'm looking and staring at him through the wall

931
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: and you can see see it coming through. I saw

932
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: shades of Jason Smith there. It was like I was

933
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: looking into my to my right in the studio during

934
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: the week, the same thing. But yeah, to the point,

935
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: the schedule and everything worked through. The big question here

936
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: and I have this for both you is for Drake May.

937
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 3: He's played far, far less than perfect football these last

938
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 3: few weeks, like this game against Houston, Plenty of opportunities

939
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: if Houston had just been somewhat functional offensively right, any

940
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: level of competency, take care of the football. You've got

941
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: a kicker with a big leg. Let's let's say, at

942
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: least try to steal three for a defense that's fighting.

943
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: Denver's defense won't be as relenting, right, Drake may will

944
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: have to pay for these mistakes, right.

945
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: I think? So, I think, yeah, I think. I mean,

946
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: it's not Texans esque, but it's that good. You're right,

947
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: you know how good Denver is. That's why I think

948
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: that something could be, you know, coming for the New

949
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: England Patriots because of that defense, Nick Benito getting home,

950
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, like there's there's there's opportunities for them to

951
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: to get after and force those fumbles and maybe recover

952
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: those something that the Texans. You know, there's the time

953
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: of the Texans that they you know, yarded to away

954
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: from recovering a touchdown or a fumble for a touchdown

955
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and Patriots end up falling on it. So yeah, so

956
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: I think that's that's going to be there. And I'm

957
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: curious about the Dobbins injury too, because they opened up

958
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: the practice window for him on Monday for him to

959
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: come back that early. Maybe maybe to and maybe it's

960
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: more of a hey, if we make it to the

961
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: super Bowl, we had to you know, we had to

962
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: do it at this point to make sure that he plays.

963
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: But if you can use him as if he would

964
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: come back and be a part of the running game,

965
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: that helps Jared Stidham for Denver and could could give

966
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: them sort of a boost. Yeah. I don't think everything

967
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: is going the way of the Patriots, and I think

968
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: that's how a lot of people think that it's going

969
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: to continue that way. But maybe the Broncos can can

970
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: change course. Their offensive line is going to be better

971
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: than what the Texans provided, I'll tell you that much.

972
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: So if if Jared Stidham just has time, maybe he

973
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: can get the football to the guys that he needs to.

974
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Speaker 1: I think he's got a couple of underrated playmakers too.

975
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, you're.

976
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Speaker 3: Right, You're right, Dan, go ahead, you finished finished that thought?

977
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just just with you know, like I know, Marvin

978
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Mimms got a little dinged up on I think on

979
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: his touchdown catch, But Troy Franklin has been a guy

980
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: and Patrick Bryant ended up making some big catches for them.

981
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so they've got they've got guys that

982
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: they can and use it. Even our j Harvey came

983
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: out at the end of the years as the lead

984
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: back and if he can have a day behind that

985
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: offensive line, and I think Denver can get it done.

986
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: Two things, did Marvin Mims control the ball all the

987
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: way through the ground? Oh, we're doing officiating again. And

988
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 3: then Jared Stidham, how sweet would be to get revenge

989
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: against his former team? Well, that's right, he was drafted

990
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 3: there all the way back in twenty nineteen.

991
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 4: It's also worth worth mentioning Stidham was the quarterback at

992
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 4: Auburn right before Bonix took over as the started. Yeah,

993
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: and now Stidham gets to step in for nicks in.

994
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: Stidham has been a lot of places. He's a Baylor

995
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: as well. Yes, he's been here, there and everywhere. And

996
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: who knows he may be in the super Bowl. We

997
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: will find out on Sunday. Well, the next time we

998
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: talked to you, we'll find out who is in the

999
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: super Bowl. We'll see if I have tears of joy

1000
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: or tiers of sadness when it comes to the Seahawks

1001
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: as they take out the Rams. And then that Broncos

1002
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Speaker 1: Patriots game, the first of the two you on Sunday

1003
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Speaker 1: should be a dandy at Mile High. Just a reminder,

1004
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Speaker 1: we are giving you one episode a week and we'll

1005
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: be doing that not only up until the Super Bowl,

1006
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: but even through the Super Bowl. We'll do a Super

1007
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: Bowl sixty recap. We'll also have our top sixty draft

1008
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: heading into the twenty twenty sixth season, and so much

1009
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Speaker 1: more for you, So for Mike, Carmen, Andy and Roddy.

1010
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Speaker 1: I'm Danpier. We always appreciate you listening and can't wait

1011
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Speaker 1: to talk to you next time here. And I want

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Speaker 1: your flex