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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome back to another episode of Let's Be

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Speaker 2: Clear with Shannon Doherty. I know that you guys have

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Speaker 2: all been asking me when are you going to have

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Speaker 2: this person on? And she's on you guys. It's Sarah

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Speaker 2: Michelle Geller. Hello, Hi you. And I know what's really

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Speaker 2: funny is that I was looking through like comments on

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Speaker 2: my Instagram the other day for some strange reason, because

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Speaker 2: I've kind of stopped doing that, but I think I

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Speaker 2: was super bored, and I saw someone say, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: such a shame that you and Sarah aren't friends anymore.

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Speaker 2: We never see you guys on social media, And I thought,

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Speaker 2: do people think that we live our lives out on

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Speaker 2: social media and if we're not posting photos of us together,

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Speaker 2: that it means we're not friends. It was the oddest

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Speaker 2: sort of aha moment that I had where I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: they like people really do think that anybody who's important

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Speaker 2: to each of us, we're always going to be posting

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Speaker 2: like pictures on social media.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I've tried also really hard to limit the comments because

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Speaker 3: it's just so hard to please everyone nowadays. I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's really hard to please anyone. Yeah, And I've

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Speaker 3: almost I've taken like a big step back from social

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Speaker 3: media lately and I've just been more work focused. But

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Speaker 3: it's hard because you want to please the fans that

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Speaker 3: are really there for you and support you, but at

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Speaker 3: the same time, it takes a big chunk out of you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think emotionally it can be very

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Speaker 2: draining and it's very time consuming. And I've said this

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Speaker 2: a bunch of times so far that it's always the

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Speaker 2: most negative voice that seems to be the loudest, even

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Speaker 2: though it's you know, so few of them. But that

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Speaker 2: friendship thing was just so interesting to me because it's

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Speaker 2: not as if you and I don't check him with

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Speaker 2: each other. It's not as if you didn't invite me

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Speaker 2: to like this wonderful you know, dinner with a bunch

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Speaker 2: of people recently.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you have kids.

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Speaker 3: I have no life, I am. I really just realized

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Speaker 3: that I have absolutely no life. I don't think I

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Speaker 3: time in my schedule to actually.

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Speaker 1: Do that yesterday. And it's it gets harder.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping that soon enough Charlotte will drive, which is

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Speaker 3: also a scary prospect. But and then I might have

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Speaker 3: a little bit more time because right now I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: much an unpaid Uber driver.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, Charlotte driving doesn't scare

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Speaker 2: me as much as Rocky driving.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think you think that because you think that Rocky

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Speaker 3: would be like the fast driver. But Charlotte is like

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Speaker 3: so easily distracted, right like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, radio Butterfly.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Rocky is like on the driving, like he just

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Speaker 3: didn't you know he's gonna be on the road.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: So I think in a weird way, actually you should

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Speaker 3: be more worried about being in Charlotte's car, and she

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Speaker 3: will expect you to be in her car, by the way,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm probably going to give it like

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Speaker 2: a good six months of her driving before I actually

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Speaker 2: jump in the car with her. Just seems a little

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Speaker 2: bit more on the safer side. May I do that

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Speaker 2: you put Freddy in the car?

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Speaker 1: Perfect?

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Speaker 2: I mean that my dad taught me how to drive,

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Speaker 2: Like that's that's what you do. The Dad's going I

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Speaker 2: was also thinking today as I was showering and then

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Speaker 1: I love that you think of you when you shower.

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Speaker 1: I know well that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this is a friendship that we've

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Speaker 2: had for a very long time that has had zero competitiveness,

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Speaker 2: that has just been nothing but love and support and

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Speaker 2: standing by each other, giving each other space when we

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Speaker 2: and that when we met, the time period that we met,

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Speaker 2: want to say, took me under your wing, right because

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Speaker 2: you were it was the WB, correct, Yeah, the Devadava

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Speaker 2: And that continued throughout my career and more importantly, like

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Speaker 2: through throughout our lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting because I didn't grow up around supportive

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Speaker 3: women in this industry, right, I mean, I started in soaps,

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Speaker 3: which was the most competitive, and it now because I've

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Speaker 3: and and just how things have changed lately, and I

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Speaker 3: don't know, I think the only reason that I did that, honestly,

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Speaker 3: thought women didn't like me or want to be friends

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Speaker 3: or there was like I didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 3: I had my you know, my female friends like from

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Speaker 3: that many. But I honestly, I think it was.

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Speaker 1: Just I it was such a fan.

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Speaker 3: But I think that's how it actually started. I just

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Speaker 3: couldn't pass up the opportunity to like talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe then then it must have been the

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Speaker 2: same on both sides, because I just remember being like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: the girl who literally kicks ass wants to hang out

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Speaker 2: with me?

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just hang out. You took me to

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Speaker 2: one of my rap parties because I wasn't going to go.

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Speaker 1: Which is no bunny because I never went to mine.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, I've never gone to

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Speaker 2: one of mine. But we're going to yours, which turned

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Anytime I've gotten a job or You've gotten a job,

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Speaker 2: it's or anything significant has happened in our lives. It's

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Speaker 2: just been nothing but love and support and either you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you gave.

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Speaker 3: My children such a life and COVID and I was

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Speaker 3: really struggling with how to give them that freedom and

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Speaker 3: you opened your home to us and COVID in a

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Speaker 3: way that I will for the rest of my.

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Speaker 1: Life be grateful for.

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Speaker 3: I You gave them adventures and just freedom, and I

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Speaker 3: I can never repay that because that was such a

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Speaker 3: giving me a break. Whether I mean people don't know this,

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Speaker 3: I mean Chan hadn't sat there sometimes when they were

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Speaker 3: repeat that I never want homeschooling again. There are times

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Speaker 3: you know, they want to go see you and spend

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Speaker 1: I there are days I really miss it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, interestingly enough, I kind of feel the

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Speaker 2: same COVID was. It was incredibly stressful, and you know,

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Speaker 2: far more stressful I think for people with kids, or

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Speaker 2: people with compromised health or people with compromised health.

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Speaker 1: But it was.

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Speaker 2: A slower pace and you get you did get to

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Speaker 2: you don't you don't have necessarily the time to connect

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Speaker 2: like you did during COVID. And uh, you know, you

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Speaker 2: guys helped me quite a bit through that time as well,

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Speaker 2: because it's hard being isolated, especially as someone who's immune compromised,

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Speaker 2: and you were all so incredibly careful about sort of

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Speaker 2: who you were around and all of that in order

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Speaker 2: to actually come here and hang out and go swimming

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Speaker 2: and do wine challenges, which you know we're way overdue.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we need a new one.

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Speaker 3: That'll be my New Year's resolution. Just figure out what

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Speaker 1: The push up.

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Speaker 2: One was pretty good that I sent you, but you

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Speaker 1: How I do that? I know you're like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Well I've had I've had a few months off from

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Speaker 2: And you've had It's so funny. So my producer Lorraine

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Speaker 1: Matter if I like that you got notes on me.

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Speaker 2: I got notes on you, and it was It's pretty

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Speaker 2: historical because some are like, oh hey, fun facts, and

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Speaker 2: some is you know, your entire bio, which is a crazy.

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Speaker 1: Long, long, long bioe on you. You don't get notes.

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Speaker 2: You know from like doing a TV movie called an

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Speaker 2: Invasion of Privacy at the age of six, which I'm

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Speaker 2: now going to figure out how I get to watch it.

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Speaker 1: You know who was in that movie? It was a

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Speaker 1: crazy cast.

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Speaker 3: Richard Masser, Carol Caine, Jerry Orbach, Valerie Harper.

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Speaker 2: Like that was my first big job and it was

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Speaker 2: a crazy cast. That's like a pretty huge cast. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that was your very first job. Yeah, that's wild.

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Speaker 2: And then you were on All My Children, which I knew,

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Speaker 2: which is to me, soap actors might work the absolute hardest, oh.

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Speaker 1: Without question.

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Speaker 3: And what's funny too, is that because you know you're

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Speaker 3: doing an episode a day, so you have massive amounts

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Speaker 3: only do it once maybe twice. I used to learn

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Speaker 3: that if you cursed, they had to do a second take.

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Speaker 3: But my character had no friends, so my character only

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Speaker 3: did monologues.

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Speaker 1: To herself and mirrors.

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Speaker 3: So it was just like just the most massive amount

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was And how how was that? Because soaps

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Speaker 2: are and I know that you're wasn't Kelly Rippa on

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I I and you guys are really good friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and Eva Laru Yes, I mean we had we

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Speaker 3: had good times. Like I had a really good group up.

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Speaker 3: Rebecca Gayheart was across the hall, like you just it

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Speaker 1: Was really fun. I mean I was a little young, so.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I missed out on stuff because I was still

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Speaker 3: only fifteen and sixteen, I was still in school. But

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Speaker 2: I do know that, Like, you're the one person I call.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't it like displayed directly behind you my.

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Speaker 3: People's choice of my MTV are, which it's what my

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Speaker 1: Oh? My children?

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Speaker 2: because from what I was reading on your bio you originally,

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Speaker 3: And they said, well, we can't find anyone. We're still looking.

444
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, well could I audition for Buffy?

445
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: And my representative at my manager at the time, was like, no, no, no,

446
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: don't do that because you can confuse them and then

447
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 3: they could like not give you Cordelia. And I was like,

448
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: but I think I could do Buffy. And I was like,

449
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: you know, I have a background in taekwondo, I know

450
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: the movie, like just because I look a certain way.

451
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: And my manager was like, don't do it, don't do it.

452
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 3: But Joey, and my agent was like, she should totally

453
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: do it. And I went in and I auditioned eleven

454
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: more times and a bunch more screen tests, and on

455
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 3: the last screen test they said, okay, can you come

456
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 3: back in one more they send the other girl home.

457
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 3: I said, can you come back in one more time?

458
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: And I just broke down in tears to the casting director,

459
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: to Marcia and I just said, okay, I can't. I'll

460
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 3: be Cordelia, Like this process has been insane, Like I

461
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 3: don't know what I'm doing. You obviously don't want me,

462
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm out, just just sign my deal for Cordelia.

463
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: And She's like, no, just come back one more time.

464
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I can't. I'm as literally bawling at

465
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 3: scare running down my eyes, and she said she dragged

466
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: me into the room and it was like thirty five

467
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: people in the room because you know what screen tests

468
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: were like in those tys. And I walked in and

469
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: they all clapped and said, we found our Buffy.

470
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: And there I was looking like a total wreck.

471
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: But eleven times, like why eleven times were you auditioning

472
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: with other people?

473
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: Were you? Oh? I was getting notes.

474
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: I was dying my hair through that process because they

475
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: could see what I looked like. It was just a

476
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: pretty brutal process for a mid season replacement show on

477
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: a network no one had heard of, but based on

478
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: a movie that was not successful.

479
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: So it was quite a process.

480
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean eleven times at that age for

481
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: you know, everything that you said, a network that nobody

482
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: had heard of, mid season replacement. I don't think people

483
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: really understand what the auditioning process is like and how rough,

484
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: and certainly, like you said, back then, it was far

485
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: more difficult. It wasn't necessarily actor friendly. It was thirty

486
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: five people in a room, all sitting there, all judging you,

487
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: stone faced, stone faced. If you got a laugh out

488
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: of them, you walked out going like, oh my god,

489
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: I nailed the job, and then you didn't nail it.

490
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: So then all of a sudden, you're saying to yourself, well,

491
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: I can't judge anything based off of their reactions because

492
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: they're either stone face or they're doing a fake laugh.

493
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: That is, and then to have to like dye your

494
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: hair and go through all of that was Joss Whedon

495
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: sort of the one really pulling for you. Did you

496
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: ever find out if he was the guy that was like,

497
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: this is my Buffy or was it? He had to

498
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: be convinced through those eleven auditions that were brutal to

499
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: go through as well.

500
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think I never wanted to relive that

501
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: period again, and of the audition prose as that I

502
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: was just done with it.

503
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to talk about anything about it.

504
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. And you said that you had a

505
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: brown belt in taekwondo, which is huge.

506
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard Chun Studio on East eighty sixth Street. And

507
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 3: I loved it, but I got it. I got to

508
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: like middle school, and I was a competitive figure skater.

509
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: I was doing competitive taekwondo, I was acting, and I

510
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: was in school, and my mom said, you have to

511
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: pick two, like we can't do this anymore. And I

512
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: went out and she went one of them has to

513
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 3: be school. I thought maybe that was my out and

514
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: I can skip one. Yeah, but no, alas, And that's

515
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 3: when I dropped taekwondo and ice skating because my future

516
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 3: was you know, I was never going to be an

517
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: Olympic ice skater.

518
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. I was not that good, and.

519
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: I just figured i'd have a little more success making

520
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: a life for myself in entertainment than in taekwondo, But

521
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 3: it all worked out in the end.

522
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: They both worked out for me. Yeah, it all worked

523
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: out for you.

524
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: And I can one hundred percent see you taking on

525
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: all those different things all at one time because you

526
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: are one of the most disciplined human beings I've ever met.

527
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: You have such ridiculous work ethic. She's being really nice

528
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: to just not call me type A. That's our way

529
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: of like being nice about the fact that I'm so

530
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: type A that like they wrote it, probably wrote a

531
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: book about me. Or if you'd look in the definition

532
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: and Websters of what is type A? Just says right

533
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: under Reese Witherspoot, It just says Sarah Michelle Geller.

534
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: It's just the two of us. It's very true you

535
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: are type A. But I mean I admire that a lot.

536
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: I think that there have been times in my life

537
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: where I probably could have benefited from a little bit

538
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: more discipline, and you always, always, always had it. You

539
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: were just this is what I'm gonna do, and you

540
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: and I watch it with your kids. And how you manage,

541
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: i mean, your husband, how you manage to keep your

542
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: family your priority but still work still support friends, still

543
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: do creative things. You just somehow managed to do it all.

544
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: And what you can cram into one day and go

545
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: work out, I'm.

546
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Like you would. You'd be like, hey, we're going to

547
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: go work out at eight o'clock in the morning. I

548
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: was like, have fun.

549
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not your great rip, But you know what,

550
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: it was funny. I just think to like back to

551
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: the time when we first met. I'm glad you weren't

552
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: as disciplined as you are now then because you showed

553
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: me fun. I never I didn't go out. I just worked,

554
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: and because of you, I had fun adventures and I

555
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: went out and had friends. And you know, whether it

556
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: was like bowling at one in the morning at the

557
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: old Jerry's Deli, you.

558
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: Know, or Ricky Martin that was all you Ricky Martin

559
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: concert that was my friend of mine from soaps. Yeah,

560
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: that was that was Those pictures still circulate everywhere of

561
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: us at the Ricky Martin concert.

562
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: You know what's funny. I always remember these boots that

563
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: I had that the concert. I had my first pair

564
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 3: of product boots ever, and they had this little like

565
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: wallet on the side, like I remember on the boot,

566
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: and I just shoved my credit card.

567
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: You drove. I shoved my credit card and like a

568
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: couple dollars in it.

569
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: And we didn't have cell phones then, so like my

570
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: pager was, I probably left it at home and they

571
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: just read.

572
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: You remember my pager number had the best pager number

573
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: in the world.

574
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: Yes, you won three two oh two two one best

575
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: page number. And they just re release those boots. Those

576
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 3: boots are like super popular again. I was like, if

577
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: only I'd saved those.

578
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: You didn't save them, no, because.

579
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 3: I I think I still have a New York mentality,

580
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: like an apartment mentality, which is there's no room to

581
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: save anything, and so I've just never.

582
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Been a saveror like that.

583
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: Like I just you have, like you know, your warehouses

584
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: of stuff. I have nothing, yeah, storage units, Like I

585
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: don't have that stuff.

586
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I there's just those certain like

587
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: pieces that I will never get rid of, even even

588
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: when I can't fit into them anymore.

589
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to keep it.

590
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: One of them was the Doulce Gabana skirt silk long,

591
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: tight like skirt that I wore for the WB promosat

592
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: and I have it.

593
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: I love it.

594
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: I have probably tried it on at least, let's say

595
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: in this year five times.

596
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: You can't fit into it. I certainly can't.

597
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: The like, maybe I can get it over my butt,

598
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: but nope, still no go. Even after infusions, and after

599
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: a couple of days of sickness, I'm like, Okay, now

600
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: I can't.

601
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: Now it'll fit.

602
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: Little known fact about you is you will like go

603
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: shopping and see the sixth dining room table and you'll

604
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: be like, I might need that someday, and you will

605
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: because it's so beautiful you can't pass it up. Meanwhile,

606
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm still waiting to get a dining room table because

607
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: I still haven't ordered anyone.

608
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do have a furniture fetish. I

609
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: know it's pretty bad. It's really bad, and it's a.

610
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 1: Really good taste. Thank you so.

611
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: And you did did you do a lot of your

612
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: stunts on Buffy as much as I.

613
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Was allowed to and I was capable of.

614
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't fall off buildings and stuff, but

615
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: I did a lot of like the hand to hand combat,

616
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: And yeah.

617
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: That's what I call doing your own stuff.

618
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: You just ask that like you didn't know that I

619
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: did because you were there on SAT. But Okay, I

620
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: there's a professional shan I am. I'm trying to be

621
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: very professional and.

622
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be on your late night talk show.

623
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: I know right well, by the way, hair just one

624
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: of my nose. My nose is running. It's all a

625
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: mess over here today. But yes, I did know that

626
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: you did most of your stunts that you could do.

627
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: Falling off buildings is not something I opted to do either,

628
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: and I think it was one of the things that

629
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: was so cool about the two of us. I like

630
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: to say that we had a cool period, or at

631
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: least I did, was that we were doing a lot

632
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: of our own stunts. We were girls that actually knew

633
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: how to kick ass and to do all of that

634
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: hand to hand combat. I got to do all of

635
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: the wire work. You were, you know, stabbing people with steaks.

636
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 1: I got to do fun wire work.

637
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: When I did Scooby Doo, they hired the Japanese team

638
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: from Matrix, Yes, and they flew them to Australia. And

639
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: I didn't work that much in the first movie, and

640
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: so I would spend all my free time learning tricks

641
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: with them. And it was great too because they spoke

642
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: very little English. So my stunt double who was from

643
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: Buffy I brought out to Australia with me.

644
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: We were blonde girl and other blonde girl.

645
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: So they called us and we worked on all this

646
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. And then when we went because in the

647
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: beginning when we were doing Scooby Do, I was still

648
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: on we were still doing Buffy. So we would do

649
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: two weeks Australia, two weeks LA and we would just

650
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: fly back and forth and Melissa then I would learn

651
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 3: these wire tricks and if we didn't use them.

652
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: For Scooby, we would uh she would call ahead to.

653
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: Our stunt coordinator and then he would rig it and

654
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: we could do the wire work for Buffy. Then that

655
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: was like when we started to bring in wire work

656
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: because we were training with this like ridiculously incredible team.

657
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys are ridiculous.

658
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: We had a stunt guy Chad Stahowski on Charmed and yeah,

659
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: who was Keanu Reeves, you know stunt man and obviously

660
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: worked with that whole wire crew and then went on

661
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: to direct John Wick. It was really weird when he

662
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: doubled for you though it worked somehow, but he him

663
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: and Dave Huggins and it was like a whole crew

664
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: Mike over there. Those guys all taught me how to

665
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: do the wirework, and it was truly some of the

666
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: most fun stuff I've ever been able to do in

667
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: my entire career. And I always say that before I die,

668
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: I just want to be an old John Wick.

669
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: That's it, Okay, we can abably make that happen.

670
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't want like the you know, hardcore drama anymore.

671
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: I just not interested in winning awards. Just want to

672
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: be an old lady John Wick who kicks ass.

673
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: You should make it happen. So how was that set

674
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: to work on?

675
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: Because again, back then, for me personally, it wasn't as

676
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: if you met We talked about this a lot of

677
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: women that were super supportive of each other. You are

678
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: the star of a show. You are clearly the star.

679
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That is the name the

680
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: show is now writing on you your shoulders along with Joss,

681
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: And if I recall correctly from our conversations and from

682
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: seeing you after work sometimes or on the weekends, you're

683
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: working extremely long hours.

684
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: It was a difficult time, you know, it was it

685
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: was a hard show. I it was a it was

686
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: a it was a tough show. It was tough hours.

687
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: It was tough emotionally, right, it was tough, you know,

688
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: it was it was, It was hard, and it was.

689
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: I think anytime that somebody is working eighteen hours a

690
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: day is extremely extremely, extremely hard. And it's sort of

691
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: the first season a Charmed we worked ridiculously long hours

692
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: as well, and it drains you. And it doesn't matter

693
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: how much you absolutely love your job. Doesn't matter how

694
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: much you love going to the set and playing that

695
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: character and how much how appreciative you are. At the

696
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: end of the day, you go home and you're exhausted,

697
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: especially when then you're taking on doing your own stunts

698
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: and everything else, it just becomes it becomes tiring, which

699
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: is I think why our silly moments, our Ricky Martin

700
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 2: concerts and our bowling alleys was such a relief because

701
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: it was able to sort of shed everything else and

702
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: just kind of go out and be normal girls, our

703
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: age and have fun.

704
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was a good time too, because it

705
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: was before you know, cell phones, before everybody took pictures

706
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: of you and video of you and you didn't know it,

707
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: and you were allowed to have private moments. But what

708
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: I will say about that time is while we may

709
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: not have been a super close female cast on the

710
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: show as adults, I mean, I guess a lot of

711
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: them were adults non but like as grown ups now

712
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: we've all found and our ways back to each other,

713
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: and it's the support of each other exists now, yes,

714
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: and that's kind of really cool. I mean, I joke

715
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: that I'm going to hire Emma as my publicist because

716
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: she's she might be my biggest hype woman. And you know,

717
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: supporting Alison on Dancing with the Stars, and you know.

718
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: She was great on it.

719
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: I told her, I said, you were the reason for

720
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: that show. Like that show has gone to a place

721
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: now where it's just like everyone's had professional dancing or

722
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: cheerleading and it's not fun. What that show was originally

723
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: about was taking somebody out of their comfort zone and

724
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: making them a dancer. And I can tell you I

725
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: did a musical episode with Alison, right, musicality was not

726
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: her thing, and she would run away from it. And

727
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: to watch how much she loved being on that show

728
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: and to watch her body transform and her dancing transform

729
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: like she was in my opinion, and I told her,

730
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: this is the real winner of that season.

731
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: So she doesn't have a mirror ball. But she was

732
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: the winner. Yeah.

733
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: I mean people were in love with her for she

734
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: and she was just a ray of light. Literally she

735
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: was You could tell how excited she was after each dance.

736
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: Her positivity shined through. I agree with you, obviously. I

737
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: did it for a very very very short period of time,

738
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: and it is really about those people that don't have

739
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: any of that experience and to watch them blossom and

740
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: find and find music and find their body and that

741
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: they can move their body in a different way and

742
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: embrace dance and how it sort of fulfills them and

743
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: makes them so incredibly happy.

744
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 1: I hope that.

745
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: They hear this on Dance Think with the Stars and

746
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: find more people like that and less people that have

747
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: that dance experience, because as the audience, that's what you

748
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: want to see.

749
00:36:54,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: I completely agree. All right, So you now have you?

750
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: I remember you calling me and you're like, I'm going

751
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: back to work again, which I love about you because

752
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: you are so family oriented that you will take chunks

753
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: of time off. You're like, Okay, my kids really need

754
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: me for this. My kids really need me for that.

755
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: My husband needs me. And by the way, your husband,

756
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: who you know, I love Freddie Prinn's like love love, love,

757
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: love love him. And you said to me, I'm going

758
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: back to work this great show, wolf Pack, and I

759
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: got all excited for you.

760
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: And you were sending me.

761
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: Photos from the set in Atlanta and and where you

762
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: were staying in food shots because you're like you're you're

763
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: a foodie. Oh yeah, you love food and you love

764
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: adventure adventurous food. And I had to tell you, I

765
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: became addicted to the show.

766
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, it was it's it was just a great

767
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: experience all around.

768
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: Like Jeff Davis reminded me how much fun it is

769
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: to make TV, and he really let me executive produce

770
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: that show and and and be involved in every you know,

771
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: like last second of it. I loved the kids made

772
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: me their like new excitement about the job, and you

773
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: know that that sort of.

774
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: That youthful hope, and it rubbed off on me.

775
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: And Freddie says it rubbed off on him too, just

776
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: like the kids and how just excited they were every

777
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: day to be there. And you know, a lot of

778
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 3: times with kids, it can be a harder experience, right

779
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: because they you know, they want to get to the

780
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: fame quickly, because that's how their that generation is, you know,

781
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: with social media and all that. And I have these

782
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: four kids. I mean they are adults, but they worked

783
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: so hard every day. They came in on days off

784
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: to learn stuff. They asked if they could come to

785
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: production meetings, if they could sit behind the director, the DP.

786
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: It was just they were exactly what you hope for

787
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: and those experiences and we just read a blast.

788
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: Well I had a blast watching it, and I went

789
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: to your I'm just going to give a quick breakdown.

790
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: I went to your wedding, yes, and.

791
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: Without without divulging too much, because I feel like I

792
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: keep on saying one of the things I love about you,

793
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: so I should have just have created a list and

794
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: gotten it over with from the beginning.

795
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: You can send it to me for Christmas. It's time

796
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: I will.

797
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: That will be a Christmas present is how closely you

798
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: guard your privacy and how closely you guard your family

799
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: and particularly your children, and even just now with me,

800
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: of there's some things that we don't need to talk

801
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: about because it's not going to serve anybody well.

802
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: And I love that.

803
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: I love that you are not a closed book with

804
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: your close friends, but very respectful of the boundaries that

805
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: you have set for yourself and what access people have

806
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: to your life, which I think also continues to give

807
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: you mystery as an actor.

808
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I for me just know that

809
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: I'm not a strong enough person to be able to

810
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: take that pulling apart of my of who I really am.

811
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: But I look at you and how brave you are

812
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: sharing all of your experiences and doing this show and

813
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: really telling the truth, because it's so hard sometimes now

814
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: to get the truth out there. And there's parts of

815
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: me that wish I could be more like you and

816
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: be able to share those experiences because I know how

817
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: much it helps other peop people, and I know that

818
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: I'm not that person that can do it, and so

819
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: that's I think why I've had to set those boundaries

820
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: for myself. But I hope you know, like there's not

821
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: a day that goes by that people don't come up

822
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: to me on the street and talk to me about

823
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: you and talk to me about.

824
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: How you know.

825
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: The hope that you give them, that you remind them

826
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: that we all have to live and that bad stuff

827
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: happens even to famous people. And you know, you tell

828
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: your truth in such a way that I don't know

829
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: if you know the reach that you have and how

830
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: important it is. And even when I get down about

831
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: dumb things like I think about you and I mean, look,

832
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: let's be honest, like you're gonna outlive me.

833
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Like we all know this. You're gonna be telling me

834
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: to do things until I'm a hundred. I don't think

835
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I'll be.

836
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: Like forcing you to write a memoir. At some point

837
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, no, I'm still not doing it.

838
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like, come on, no.

839
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: That's not me. But I don't know.

840
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: I just I think you're one of the bravest people

841
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: that I know, and the way you hit life head on,

842
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: and it's that we should all have a little a

843
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: little more Shannon.

844
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: In ourselves think you.

845
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, bravery comes in all sorts of different forms, right.

846
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: I think there's my form of bravery, and there's your

847
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: form of bravery. And pausing an incredibly successful career to

848
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: focus on your children to focus on your family is

849
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: also very brave. Starting a company like you did with

850
00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: foodstores is incredibly brave. And setting boundaries early in this

851
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: day and age where I think everybody is expecting full

852
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: access to your life because so many people are giving

853
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: full access to their life. You know, they're literally conducting

854
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: their lives on TikTok or Twitter, which I guess is

855
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: called x or any of these social media platforms. The

856
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: only one I participate in is Instagram, okay, but my

857
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: MySpace page is a fire. I eat on Facebook.

858
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I love that. We actually I meant my space. I

859
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: eat on friends or.

860
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: We are we we we were around during MySpace.

861
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: That's frightening. I didn't have one. You didn't somebody made

862
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: me one. I didn't. I didn't.

863
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't even think I had an email then I

864
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: would like to even have an email address.

865
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: I did. It was an but it's an AOL like.

866
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: I missed all of Aol like by the time I

867
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: got an email address, it was Yahoo. Really yeah, I didn't,

868
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: I yeah, No, I love I still.

869
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: Have my AOL email. I know you do. I know you.

870
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: I love it.

871
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: It's you know, I use my Gmail more, but I

872
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: have it there, particularly because there's so many things that

873
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: came to that email that I don't delete anything. I

874
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: like paper trails, I'm a big fan of boats, so

875
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: all that stuff is still saved on that AOL account.

876
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: But anyway, going back to the being brave, you know,

877
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: it's I would imagine and from women that I've spoken

878
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: to in the business that have families, it can be

879
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: really hard to sort of juggle both, and I think

880
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: you have juggled it with a lot of grace and

881
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: been brave enough to take time off when you felt

882
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: like your kids needed it the most, and take time

883
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: off to charge into new adventures. And that is brave

884
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 2: as well.

885
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I try. I you know, I'm grateful.

886
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: Being a mom for me has really been the most

887
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: rewarding part of my life.

888
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: Definitely the hardest. Working is way easier. But I have

889
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: really good kids.

890
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 3: And I have a really great husband, and it does

891
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: make wanting to do that easier.

892
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: You do. I love your family, you know that.

893
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: And my family loves you. I'm not sure which Freddie

894
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: or I which one loves you more. There's always been

895
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: just this like brother sister crazy love between Freddy and myself.

896
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: It's the oddest thing, but I just adore him. And

897
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 3: I remember that we first bonded over gaming. Oh yeah,

898
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 3: you are both big gamers, yes, ye, yeah, every quest

899
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: In those days when you were there were days where

900
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: I'd be like Shannon, we have to go. She's like,

901
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: I can't. The dragon's going to lay the egg. I'm like,

902
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: oh my god, not you too. It was like I

903
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: got it on both ends. I got it from him,

904
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: I got it from you. And do you remember I

905
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: joined that group?

906
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

907
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: It was called Wow Widows? No? What was whoa widows

908
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: have ever? Yes? Because I was a double widow.

909
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: I was a widow from him and from you and

910
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 3: from me and I and then and then Mkoley oh yeah,

911
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: another one and Meila.

912
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: It was we were all sort of gamers and I

913
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: was left out in the cold. You were left out

914
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: in the cold. You were not interested in the gaming world.

915
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: We were.

916
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm really glad I got out of that, although I

917
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: revisited a little bit during COVID and then had to

918
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: pull myself out.

919
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that's enough. Wed a lot of

920
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: board games in COVID.

921
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: You with the jigsaw puzzles is brilliant, and I still

922
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: have two of them that you left here untouched.

923
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: We played a lot of Remy Cube.

924
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: We did, we did, but yeah, those other jigsaw puzzles

925
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: you're going to have to come over and help me with.

926
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: And here for our listeners is another fun fact real quick,

927
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: before I let Sarah go, Sarah does.

928
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Not do podcasts. It's like her rule. She does not

929
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: do podcasts.

930
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: And when I called her and was like I think

931
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: it was actually text, I was like, dude, are you

932
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: going to do my podcast? And she was like, are

933
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: you really going to make me break my role of

934
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: no podcasts for you? And I said, well, do I

935
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: need to pull out the cancer card? And you were

936
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: like yes, I mean I'm pulling out the card.

937
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm telling you I'm going to be like

938
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: ninety five and you're going to be like, no, we're

939
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: going to this bingo night.

940
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to go, and you're going

941
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: to be like, I have cancer.

942
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 3: This is this is going to be our relationship until

943
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna Yeah, you're gonna make it's drag queen bingo night.

944
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: We are going and I'll be like, I can't move.

945
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: I broke my hip yesterday, and you'll be like, I

946
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: have cancer.

947
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: We're going I have cancer. You have to come. It's

948
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: a broken hip compared to cancer. Let's go.

949
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: That's what you're going to do. No, I totally know

950
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: this for the rest of my life, and it's only

951
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 3: don't do podcasts. I've done a few. It's just that

952
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 3: so many people that I love really dearly have them,

953
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: and it's so hard to be like to juggle all

954
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 3: the time, and you want to do like.

955
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: I Although I asked Freddy a couple.

956
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 3: Of times if he would like me on his and

957
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: he has declined just for the record, which I think

958
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 3: is really funny.

959
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I was like, because he has this really cool.

960
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: You know, horror podcast, and so I've asked him and

961
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I've been in a few horror movies.

962
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: It's like no, Maybe, I'm like, we could do the grudge,

963
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: Like he's no interest in having me.

964
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

965
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: And we didn't even go through your entire resume, but

966
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: we don't have to because we're friends, and anybody can

967
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 2: go look up your bio and see, you know how

968
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: great waiting your career is. For the episode where I

969
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: get to interview you, anytime that you want, you can

970
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: interview me. That's season two. But I love you, and

971
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for

972
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: letting me pull the cancer card on you.

973
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: I would have done it without the honest and I

974
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: just want to say this to all of your listeners like,

975
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 3: You're so lucky to get to see this part of Shannon,

976
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: because this is the part of Shannon that I have

977
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: known my entire adult life, which is a lot longer

978
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: than you probably realize because I'm old. But you have

979
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: so much to give, so much to share. And this

980
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Shannon now is like the best Shannon I've ever seen.

981
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: And I've seen a lot of incantations of Shannon, but

982
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: you are living your truth. You are happier and later

983
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: even though there's been this has been an awful year, this.

984
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Year, absolutely awful year for you.

985
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Shannon of twenty years ago would be

986
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: angry about it and would would fight it, and this

987
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 3: Shannon is like, well, these are my cards.

988
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm gonna do.

989
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: And I'm going to get through this too, and I

990
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: can and I'm gonna do it with grace, and I'm

991
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: gonna be honest, and I I'm telling you, like, you

992
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: don't know how many people you reach and how many

993
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: people on the street.

994
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Every day, Like Shannon's awesome. We want the best for her.

995
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: You need to like, this is a constant in my life.

996
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: And I get prouder and prouder all the time. When

997
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: people say it to me and of just like just

998
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: how you've.

999
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Handled this year.

1000
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, I love you, I love you.

1001
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: You'll make me cry. So I'm going to stop right there.

1002
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: I love you and thank you, and I mean I will.

1003
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: I'll drive with Charlotte. It's fine. I mean, I'm not

1004
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: going to I'll do it. It's okay, I'll do it all right. Well,

1005
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on everybody that was.

1006
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and Sarah Michelle Geller,

1007
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: who we all adore and love, so thank you.

1008
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Sarah,