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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite to my favorite murder,

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Speaker 1: the minisode.

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Speaker 2: And this week we have a very special themed episode

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Speaker 2: for you. We're celebrating exactly Wright's brand new limited series podcast,

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Speaker 2: Royal Swindle. It premiered on Thursday, July twenty third.

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Speaker 1: And Royal Swindle tells the story of two fabulously wealthy

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Speaker 1: Australian women who charmed their way into British high societies

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties. But behind all the glamorer and

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Speaker 1: country houses, these women are hiding a dark past, some

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Speaker 1: very bad intentions, and a truly wild con.

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Speaker 2: So in honor of our new show, Royal Swindle, we

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Speaker 2: are going to be reading all scammer emails.

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Speaker 3: This is my favorite theme.

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Speaker 1: Let's just change the minisodes to all scammers because I

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Speaker 1: couldn't stop laughing.

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Speaker 2: There are many podcasts would have a problem with us.

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Speaker 2: I true, we really got into that space. Wohl, Do

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Speaker 2: you want to go first?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Do it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's a hotel scam story from the employee perspective. Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'll admit I'm not a day one listener, but I

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Speaker 1: have been listening for a long time, to the point

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Speaker 1: where my husband mentioned my love of that Murder Podcast

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Speaker 1: in our wedding boughs my God and had been waiting

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Speaker 1: for the day i'd have something to write in. I

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Speaker 1: just listened to the recent episode about Anna Delvy and

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Speaker 1: cackled at the part where you mentioned all of the

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Speaker 1: hotel staff fighting to.

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Speaker 3: Take care of her because she tipped so well.

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Speaker 1: Because me and my fellow employees did that once with

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Speaker 1: a woman who turned out to be scamming the hotel. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: not the hotel directly, but I'll explain. About ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: I was working at a restaurant that was attached to

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Speaker 1: a hotel. One day, this lady started calling in for

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Speaker 1: room service and tipped at least twenty bucks every time

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Speaker 1: you brought her something, regardless of how much or how

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Speaker 1: little you brought. We all noticed because we were a

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Speaker 1: money hungry little monsters, and people started fighting over who

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Speaker 1: got to take care of her, like to the point

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Speaker 2: And also, have you ever stated at a hotel where

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Speaker 2: service phone like, Oh, I didn't think I wasn't ready

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I want.

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Speaker 1: Day two or three of her stay, her daughter came

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Speaker 1: with her kids to stay with her. They told us

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Speaker 1: the daughter got rich recently when she quote fell into

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Speaker 1: a job selling private airplanes. I know, I know, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we fell for it. But anyways, look

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Speaker 1: just really quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a lot of people who fly on

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Speaker 2: private airplanes, so they don't own the plane.

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Speaker 1: But it seems like the daughter sold those planes to

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Speaker 1: the rich people.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just saying hard job because there's not that

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Speaker 2: we don't just want to rent the plane for this

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Speaker 2: one trip for an egregious amount of money.

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Speaker 3: It's a very specialized field. Probably, yeah. Right.

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Speaker 1: By day six or seven, one of the restaurant managers

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Speaker 3: It was valid.

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Speaker 1: I assume this is normal practice when someone hits a

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Speaker 1: bad feeling and said the hotel manager should call the

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Speaker 1: the lady putting charges on the card, so not shockingly,

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Speaker 1: it was a gender neutral name, so we hadn't questioned.

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Speaker 3: It turns out.

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Speaker 1: This lady had met a man at a bar across

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Speaker 1: little horizontal tangoing and got a hotel room. The next morning,

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Speaker 1: As a walk in, there was no checkout date on file,

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Speaker 1: so the room just kept charging the card.

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Speaker 3: I have I walk out all the time. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I mean these days you usually don't, right, like they're

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Speaker 2: gonna kick you out at eleven no matter what. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right, And you can't charge anything after the time

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Speaker 3: You know that you could. I guess you could, though,

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Speaker 1: I thought we were done with this, and then that's

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Speaker 3: She is a scammer.

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Speaker 1: She got a week long all expenses paid vacate on

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Speaker 1: this guy's dime, and he didn't have a clue until

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Speaker 1: around four thousand dollars between the room, food, and booze,

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Speaker 1: and they wouldn't reverse the charges because they made it

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, turned out the lady had a warrant for her

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Speaker 1: arrest for check fraud, so the cops asked the hotel

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Speaker 1: manager to keep it quiet until they got there so

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Speaker 1: Like her daughter who sold planes, she said, you've got

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Speaker 1: to get over here. I have a free fucking room.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a vacation.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the daughter really does sell planes or

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Speaker 2: do you think they were making up jobs.

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Speaker 1: I think they were like, try to sound rich, and

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Speaker 1: then she's like, I don't know what a rich people

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Speaker 1: do sell fucking private play You.

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Speaker 2: Know how rich people fly on private planes?

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Speaker 3: I sell my someone's got to sell them.

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Speaker 1: We watched from the parking lot as they took her away,

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Speaker 1: feeling bad for her. The guy had to press charges

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Speaker 1: and would need to take her to court to get

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Speaker 1: his money back, but don't feel bad for him. He

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Speaker 3: Want to have to tell his wife. She'll have to

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: So the moral of the story is, don't cheat on

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Speaker 3: Dang.

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Speaker 1: My best friend and I write your Chicago show in

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Speaker 1: November and had an amazing time. We met a bunch

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Speaker 1: of girls at the show who were freaking awesome and

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Speaker 1: we ended up going out to a couple of bars

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Speaker 1: with them after bonding over the love of all things

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Speaker 1: true crime. Love you all so much. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: all the laughs and comfort you've brought every one of

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Speaker 3: Laura, Thanks Laura, Thank you Laura. That was a great story.

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Speaker 3: That is like you just never know what someone else

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Speaker 3: is fucking enough to.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Also, I think all those ways that we can like

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Speaker 2: close and lock the door behind us technologically is like, yes,

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Speaker 2: why don't I take three minutes and check out of

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Speaker 3: We're very spoiled. Okay, here's my first one.

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Speaker 2: The subject line is nineteen year old fake doctor and

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Speaker 2: it's not our guy.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these scammers are people like this is

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Speaker 1: what I did. It's not like other people scamming.

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Speaker 3: It's so good. They're like they're confessing on themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's fun because it's like listen everybody. I

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Speaker 2: think when you're young, you like tell yourself I'm bad

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Speaker 2: if you do a bad thing. It's like everyone's bad

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Speaker 2: and everyone's good. Everybody gets into these situations like I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying please don't steal.

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Speaker 3: Money, saying please steal money from people. Oh, I mean

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Speaker 3: like it's just the opposite though.

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Speaker 2: It's like you when you're young, you have your experiences

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Speaker 1: That just means you're human, And it's a good sign

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Speaker 1: if you are like a little bit guilty that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good sign. But yeah, pay people back

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Speaker 2: and say sorry. Somebody calls in Karen stole twenty dollars

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Speaker 3: But she said sorry.

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Speaker 2: But she said sorry fifty years later, Hi Karen and

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Speaker 2: Georgia and all the amazing people at exactly right heart

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Speaker 3: It's shaped like a heart.

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Speaker 2: I've been a Day one listener since February of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: oh the dark days when I discovered your show and

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Speaker 2: took me about six months to catch up, and during

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Speaker 3: Two years old. Oh wow, quite an arc.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being there through so many of the

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Speaker 2: base moments of my life, all the highs and lows

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Speaker 2: in between. I'm from Denmark and English is not my

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Speaker 3: Grammar.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's the first one airs grammar.

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Speaker 1: Did you highlight the should highlight circle? That will send

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Speaker 2: Grammar okay, it says more specifically, they're from a town

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of The story I'm about to tell

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Speaker 2: you is a true hometown story for me. In the

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Speaker 2: mispronouncing Copenhagen, wearing a white lab coat and claiming to

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Speaker 2: cop that's true flavor, then is what's the where's the privilege?

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Speaker 3: Where's the prejudice?

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Speaker 2: One of his patients was a six month old baby girl.

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Speaker 2: He examined her, prescribed medication and sent her home when

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Speaker 2: pneumonia and treated her successfully. Things got even weirder. One

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Speaker 2: There's been a hanging. As you can imagine, that's never

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am not stupid, and neither are you. Red

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Speaker 1: He proceeded to provide instruction the one out of every

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Speaker 1: He proceeded to provide instruction that I was not to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they said, yeah, the people that are from jury duty, right,

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Speaker 1: Secondly, I must immediately pay two hundred and fifty dollars

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Speaker 2: They're they're sending you to the place where they would

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Speaker 1: Totally. Now you ask why did I not run away?

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Speaker 1: Why did I not hang up? And then it says,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going to transfer funds because none of the other

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Speaker 3: They all worked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's thousands of dollars like vince when he put

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Speaker 1: They are smart, they have a narrative in place, And

447
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 1: though I hope you never find yourself crying at the

448
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 1: bank after believing that a law enforcement officer has contacted

449
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: you and you might be arrested non compliance, you are

450
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 1: actually all good. These people are relentless. I want to

451
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,439
Speaker 1: share the scam, which I'm sure happens all too often,

452
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: but also remind those that they have participated with regret

453
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,400
Speaker 1: that you are not at fault. These people are skilled

454
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 1: con artists. They know the game and put you in

455
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: as an unwitting player. I would advise myself and anyone

456
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 1: else to tell such a caller thank you for letting

457
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Speaker 1: me know.

458
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 3: I will be in touch.

459
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 1: It is always okay to trust and verify. I hope

460
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 1: that you read this and others learn that shit happens

461
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: to good people. Fuck politeness and always get a callback number.

462
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 1: S Yeah, but even the callback number, right.

463
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: Even the callback number. But here's the thing that just

464
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: popped into my head is you can also do the

465
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 2: thing anytime anyone's rushing you. You know, that's an element

466
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,479
Speaker 2: of it. Rushing is a big thing. But you can

467
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: just do a thing where you talk as if you're

468
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: normally talking and hang up on yourself mid sentence and

469
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: it looks like you got cut off. Then you see

470
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: what they do because they can't blame you for getting

471
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,120
Speaker 2: cut off, you didn't know whatever. And then it's like

472
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: and then are they calling you back?

473
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: Crazy?

474
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 2: Is it like?

475
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: Whatever? Also?

476
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: I think, and I could completely be wrong. So maybe

477
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: there are people who like work at county offices.

478
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: Who know.

479
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: I think, isn't it when you have to pay stuff

480
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 2: like that? It's like check own.

481
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way it'll ever be cash or like

482
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: never cash only, cash only or even an app.

483
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 2: I can't like what if they were like cash only

484
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: or any weed you have or just like this seems fake.

485
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 3: But okay, i'm McDonald's coupon the Christmas book.

486
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, legend. Okay, that was amazing and great, great,

487
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: like takeaway for everybody.

488
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

489
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 2: The subject line of this email is my grandma helped

490
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: expose a pyramid scheme.

491
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 3: In the eighties.

492
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 2: Wow, all the things I love greeting's MFM gang. My

493
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: girlfriend has been bugging me to write this email since

494
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: we went out to dinner with my grandmother several months ago,

495
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: but now we finally have a free moment to write it,

496
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: so here you go. My dad's mom, Sylvia, is a

497
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 2: very Southern lady. During the eighties, was a badass single

498
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: mother of five living in Charlotte, North Carolina. A single

499
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: mother of five, a living saint at the time, she

500
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: was working as the sales manager for the local Sheraton hotel,

501
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: and she was really good at her job. I mean

502
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: she was like the top producing sales manager in the

503
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: whole country. So when the people at the top saw this,

504
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: they offered her a new position as the national sales

505
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: manager without a raise. And then in parentheses it says,

506
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 2: fuck you, corporate.

507
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: Sexism, offering you a new position. It's a higher position.

508
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: You can't say no.

509
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: No raise, right because they're like, you can take the

510
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: position right at.

511
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: What a time in the eighties.

512
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Speaker 2: Later that month, she was at a social event and

513
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Speaker 2: was approached by a man named Thomas McColgan, who offered

514
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 2: her a job at his company that paid way more

515
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: than she was already making. The company was called IBC

516
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: Arabian Investments, and it was a company that allowed people

517
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: to purchase Arabian horses in full, so like when the

518
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: horse was pregnant as stock.

519
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 3: After the baby.

520
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: Horses were born and several years old, they could be

521
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: sold again as a return on the initial investment. The

522
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: selling point to this idea was that people invested in

523
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: small groups about ten people, so a share was only

524
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: one tenth of the price. So it's like a probical

525
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: time time shares. Yeah, a horse time.

526
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: Share, Okay, sounds legit.

527
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: I want the hair and I want his main This

528
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: scheme was largely targeting middle class people who would not

529
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: normally invest in something like Arabian.

530
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 3: Horses among us.

531
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Speaker 2: I mean, so, my grandmother agreed to work for him,

532
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: and over the course of a year, traveled all around

533
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Speaker 2: the Western United States. She stayed in condos in Las Vegas,

534
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: went to Exotic horse auctions and Flagstaff, Arizona, and even

535
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: once flew with my dad and aunt to California on

536
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: company money. Thomas McColgan had been paying Price Waterhouse to

537
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: do the corporate taxes for IBC Arabian. When he presented

538
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: the business plan to the potential investors, he had to

539
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: show them the financials of his business so the investors

540
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: could see that what they were getting into. Once, while

541
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: she was in Las Vegas shooting a commercial for IBC

542
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: with Wayne Newton and then just a bunch of question

543
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: marks and exclamation points, my grandma received a call from

544
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: her coworker back in Charlotte. Her coworker had said that

545
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 2: Thomas asked her to go all around Charlotte and look

546
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: for a typeface font that matched that of Price Waterhouse.

547
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: Thomas McColgan was forging financial documents to show to his

548
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: investors to get money. It was later found out that

549
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: he actually used money from investors to buy more horses.

550
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: Very illegal because that money is not supposed to be

551
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: touched for years. Yes, that's the classic Ponzi scheme. When

552
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: my grandma found out about all of this, she immediately

553
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: left the video.

554
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: Shoot, wow, hee, Swayne, this is bullshit.

555
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: You know it.

556
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: Even you Wayne Newton can't keep me here.

557
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: Shame on you, Wayne, This is god. How much were

558
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: they paying Wayne Newton?

559
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean just to come on and be like that

560
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: guy was amazing.

561
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime he showed it commercial athough, I guess it

562
00:24:59,280 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: didn't get.

563
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 3: Do you lack Arabian horses?

564
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm thinking of who's the guy from the

565
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: morning show? I'm thinking of Richess Philbin.

566
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. Okay.

567
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: So she flew back to North Carolina on her own money,

568
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: so Thomas did not see that. She bought a plane

569
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: ticket back.

570
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: Very smart.

571
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: She called Price Waterhouse and set up a discreete meeting

572
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: and a hotel lobby in Charlotte. When she told the

573
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: person she met with about what she heard, they said

574
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: that Thomas was about to get in big trouble. My

575
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: grandma did not testify in court because she was only

576
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: involved in the sales part of the business. Thomas McColgan

577
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: was found guilty of securities fraud, and my grandma has

578
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: not heard from him since. She described him as an

579
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: egomaniac and a stupid, greedy man. My grandma went on

580
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: to work for the state of North Carolina, fighting for

581
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: women's rights and even helping write new legislation on.

582
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: Sexual assault laws. Wow.

583
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: Needless to say, my grandmother is a badass, powerful, caring

584
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: woman and I love her and all of her stories

585
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: so much. I mean incredible, say sexy, and don't invest

586
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: in horses because it's probably a pyramid scheme, burt.

587
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: Okay, but what happened to the Arabian ponies?

588
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: They're just trotting around looking for investors.

589
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: Ah, so sad, so sad. Wayne Newton's just like, what

590
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: are we doing?

591
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: One little foal has a PowerPoint presentation. Come on, believe

592
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: in us invest.

593
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: Okay, here's my last one.

594
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: Uh, I was a preteen con artist. Hey, ladies, this

595
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: story has everything. A trash mom, a mystery, an inappropriate joke.

596
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: So let's get started.

597
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: Hell.

598
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: Yes, the year is nineteen ninety six.

599
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: And my mother decided the perfect family vacation for my

600
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: brother ten and me twelve would be a.

601
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: Trip to Vegas. I've been there as a child. But why,

602
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: you might ask.

603
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: While her living boyfriend at the time loved to gamble

604
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: Wayne Newton, the movie Casino had just come out, and

605
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: he was obsessed to the point that he had bought

606
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: a roll out craps table to play at home.

607
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: Oh, red Flag everybody.

608
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 2: Like he likes Rubert de Niro teaching these children how

609
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: a gamble. Cassina is an amazing movie, though, because Don

610
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: Rickles plays a pretty big party and it's so good,

611
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: great outtakes.

612
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, my mom booked her boyfriend's dream vacation and

613
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: dragged my brother and I along. Oh, single mom's boyfriends.

614
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: You just don't really get over it, Yeah, because your

615
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: mom's forced into a bit of a pickmy situation that

616
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: like you just subconsciously understand but don't actually understand.

617
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: Remember, every single one update this relationship did not scand

618
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: the test of time, no what, I still see the

619
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: trip through my jerk twelve year old eyes. I get

620
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: it so much more now that I have a twelve

621
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: year old daughter of my own. But I have to

622
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: admit we had a good time. My mom did a

623
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: great job of finding a kid friendly fun Vegas had

624
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: to offer. Plus we ate a buffett and got a

625
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: swim a ton a kid's dream, It's all that mattered.

626
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: It really was a fun place to be when you

627
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: were a kid. It's like, this is sketchy as fuck

628
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: and I love it. And those just meet all these

629
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: fucking like free range kids.

630
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: Yes, his parents are like also his parents, I mean,

631
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: what a mix. Pretty great.

632
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: One of my favorite memories is when my mother let

633
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: my brother and I walk the Strip alone at night

634
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: while they gambled the nineties.

635
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: Man Jesus, well, they had each other. I think I've

636
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: heard that before. They're getting little with each other.

637
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: They're getting those sex pamphlets from the guys that are

638
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: wo definitely thank you.

639
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: So my mother had scheduled for my brother and I

640
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: had to fly back a few days early so she

641
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: could have a lone time with her boyfriend.

642
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: Ew.

643
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, letting us one to the city streets while

644
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: she gambled in the casino had to have been.

645
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: Stressful, one would hope.

646
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: Anyway, So my brother and I flew on our own,

647
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: with the plan being that my dad would pick us

648
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: up at the airport back home. The flight was pretty

649
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: uneventful and tallwey landed. While we were sitting and waiting

650
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: to get off the plane, I checked to make sure

651
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: that the twenty three dollars I had left from my

652
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: trip spending money was still in my purse, only to find.

653
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: It was done, done done. Missing in that.

654
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Amount of money might not seem like a big deal,

655
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: but that's forty four dollars and thirty two cents in

656
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: today's moolah.

657
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: Well done, well done.

658
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: And I was twelve, it might as well have been

659
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: forty four thousand dollars. So I proceeded to lose my shit, sobbing, snotting, hyperventilating.

660
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: But the worst part I.

661
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Refused to get off the plane until the money was found.

662
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: The stewardess says, we're literally begging me to do plane,

663
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: and I just simply would not guess.

664
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: That was until the pilot came out to see what

665
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 3: was going on.

666
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Once he heard the story, he pulled out a crisp

667
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: twenty dollars bill and put it in my psychotic little

668
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: tween hand. I magically calmed after that and made my

669
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: way off the plane.

670
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: It's like, I'll give you twenty bucks to get the

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00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: hell out.

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00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: We're trying to fucking go home to war families.

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00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: We have fifty two more flights rights today.

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Speaker 1: From there, we were escorted by the airport employee over

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00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: to my dad waiting for us outside the terminal. The

676
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: employee looked at me and asked, is this your dad? Well,

677
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: apparently I was riding high on the mayhem. I just

678
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: called from the plane because I looked at her and

679
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: dryly joked, I've never seen this man before in my life.

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00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: She's got a cigarette, she's picked it up in Vegas,

681
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: and then she's got her the twenty tech behind her ear.

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00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: And she looked shocked.

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00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: My dad looked pissed, and I just stood there laughing hysterically.

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00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: I've never seen this man a day in my life.

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00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: Also punish the dad for letting him. Let the mother

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Speaker 2: take you to vagil.

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Speaker 3: All of it.

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00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: Eventually, the whole thing was sorted out and we headed

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00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: off home with my still fuming dad. You might wonder

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00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: what happened to that twenty three dollars that somehow went missing.

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00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: Well, on the drive back.

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00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: From the airport, I thought to unzip the little inside

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00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: pocket of my spree purse, only to find my not

694
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: so missing money safely hidden inside. That's right, I caught

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00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: that pilot out of a fresh twenty dollars and almost

696
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: doubled my money.

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00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: Jack pot question mark, question mark question mark.

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00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: They really absorbed something in Las Vegas.

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00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: They knew how to do it.

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00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: Well, keep doing, but you're doing it every way. I'm

701
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a thoroughly medicated and therapized person. I appreciate all of

702
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: the light you shine on mental health. Without help, I

703
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: might still be throwing bits on planes. We can't have that.

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00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll write in some stories about my mom next.

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00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: She may have been a nineties trash mom, but she

706
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: was also a criminal attorney for forty years. Is that

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00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: how she met this gambling boyfriend?

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00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: Really, I could have sworn the boyfriend stole the money

710
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: out of the little kid's perse, right. I'm like, that's

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: kind of the dirt baggiest way to end it, right,

712
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: It's so fun.

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00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: Gail has seen some shit.

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Speaker 1: Love to you all, Stay sexy, and what happens on

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00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: a plane from Vegas doesn't count.

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00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: Kate with the.

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00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: Sea incredible, Kate, God damn, someone will give me twenty dollars.

718
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: Is a big sister move too. Yeah, although I could

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00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: see a little sister doing it.

720
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just gutsy and then she got her money. Okay,

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: here's my last one. Kind of similar. The subject line

722
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: of this email is the Devil's Child and it says, hey,

723
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: badass bitches and Stephen. When I was five years old,

724
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: a Jiffy Mart opened in our tiny town, not far

725
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: from our house, and it created quite the impression on me.

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with them, a Jiffy Mart is

727
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: just a convenience store, so not really that exciting, but

728
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: to a five year old candy obsessed me, it was everything.

729
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: We only went one time to check it out, and

730
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: my mom let me purchase a package of six lits,

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00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: little round candy coated balls with chocolate.

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00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a six lit? I can't think

733
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: I have. It was like the.

734
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 2: Hydrocks to Eminem's Boreo, so they were around, but they

735
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: were basically Eminems. And also the package was like a

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00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: little tube.

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00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: This is interesting.

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00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: Inferior to Eminem's for sure, but again I was five.

739
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

740
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Well after I had that bag of chocolate to dip

741
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: red dye number five treasures. They were all I could

742
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: think about. How on earth would I ever get the

743
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: money to get more? And then I had it, the brilliant,

744
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: fool proof plan to go door to door in my

745
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: neighborhood telling people my little brother was sick and we

746
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: needed money.

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: For Oh my god, it's like a Facebook scam.

748
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: Before there's Facebook.

749
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Yep, there's a living, five year old GoFundMe scam.

750
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: What's wrong with that plan? Nothing in the child's mind.

751
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to take this to the neighborhood and see

752
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: if they want me to have six lips, because I

753
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: think they do, and or my brother to get better. Okay,

754
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: And then it says yep, I was a five year

755
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: old drifter. Shockingly, no one was taking the bait. They'd

756
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: simply look at me strangely and say go home. Then

757
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: I came to her house, the weirdo church lady at

758
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: the end of the block. I didn't know much about her,

759
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: but I knew church people loved to do things for others,

760
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: so I forged head. After my little spiel, she felt

761
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: so terrible for me that she cleaned out her change

762
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: purse and I traped home hands brimming with coins.

763
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: Feels so good.

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00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't stupid enough to let my mom know what

765
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: I had done, so I did what any five year

766
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: old would do. I hid behind the chair in the

767
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: living room to count the money. Almost immediately my mom

768
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: was on to me. I guess watching me sneak behind

769
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: a piece of her mature and the sound of clinking

770
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: coins was.

771
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 3: A dead giveaway. Where did you get that?

772
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: She asked me. I've had it, I said, unconvincingly. Within

773
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: minutes she had the whole story out of me, And

774
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: because we were also church people, I was told I

775
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: had to return the money, apologize, and tell the woman

776
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: what I had done. You do so my mom drove

777
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: me to the end of the block and made me

778
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: get out by myself, all caps. I trembled my way

779
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: to the door, and when she answered, I blubbered and

780
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: cried and apologized and admitted my lie. Church lady's eyes

781
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: flared with anger, and instead of the pat on my

782
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: head I expected, I was met with this, you little liar,

783
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: You're the devil's child and you're going to help on

784
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: what she've done.

785
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: My god, it's.

786
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Like every nun in my grammar school. And then she

787
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: slammed the door in my tiny face sobbing. I turned

788
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: to my mother, who was still in the car, and

789
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: showed her the money and shrugged, like what do I

790
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: do now?

791
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: She didn't take the money, No, she's okay.

792
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: Screaming at her, she yelled at me to leave it

793
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: on the porch, and when I got back in the car,

794
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: I told her what the woman said, in shock herself.

795
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: My mom took me home and got on the phone

796
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: with my grandmother to tell her about the escapade.

797
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: While they laughed and laughed.

798
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: Confused and traumatized, I tried to find the humor in

799
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: it too.

800
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: Stay sexy and don't scam your neighbors, A she her.

801
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: I was hoping she'd somehow get the sixth and what

802
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: are they called cic lit?

803
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: Six lilits like s get.

804
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Sicklets out of it, like her mom would feel bad

805
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: that she got screamed at by a psychotic woman.

806
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: If it was twenty twenty six, they'd get on like TikTok,

807
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: and then six lits would be like, where, don't worry,

808
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: we got you covered.

809
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 3: There'd be a ring, doorbell, camera, the whole fucking thing.

810
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: But this instead, this one's like maybe I am a devil?

811
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Child and carries that into adulthood.

812
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: And comes a total goth.

813
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god, another goth is made. Thankfully, Well, that

814
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: was our scam show. Let's ready to celebrate Royal Swindle.

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Speaker 3: Let's read the ending. Royal Swindle is out now.

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Speaker 3: It's the rom.

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Speaker 2: Con of the summery. It's Royal Swindle. Stay sexy and

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Speaker 2: don't get murdered.

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Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle asce Vedo.

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