Speaker 1: In the late eighties and early nineties, the crack epidemic
Speaker 1: was in full swing, and one of New York's most
Speaker 1: powerful drug gangs was Lenny and Nelson Sepulvida's Wild Cowboys
Speaker 1: aka the Red Top Crew. Red Top referred to the
Speaker 1: color of the caps on their crackpiles, and their less
Speaker 1: powerful competitors were called Orange Top and Yellow Top. Yellowtop
Speaker 1: began selling out of an alleyway on Beakman Avenue in
Speaker 1: the Bronx, which was Red Top territory. On December sixteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, in an incident that became known as
Speaker 1: the Quad Murders, Nelson Sepulvida and three others rolled up
Speaker 1: with semi automatics indiscriminately spraying sixty bullets into the alleyway
Speaker 1: on Beakman, killing four and wounding one. Detective Mark Tebins
Speaker 1: was under intense pressure to bring order to the dangerous area,
Speaker 1: and he indicted forty one people as co defendants for
Speaker 1: several drug related incidents, including the Quad murders. Teppens's street
Speaker 1: sweep turned suspects into witnesses, and nine of the forty
Speaker 1: one in dit it went to trial. Five of the
Speaker 1: codependants were blamed for the quad riders, four of whom
Speaker 1: are innocent, and one of those poor souls is Danny
Speaker 1: rin Khone. Alibi witnesses placed Danny on the other side
Speaker 1: of a large city block at the time of the shooting,
Speaker 1: including a victim's mother and brother, but the jury could
Speaker 1: not see through the trial's circus atmosphere. Danny was convicted
Speaker 1: and sentenced to one hundred and fifty eight and a
Speaker 1: third to life. Glenn Garber and Farah Rossner from the
Speaker 1: Exoneration Initiative joined Danny rin Kon calling it from Attica
Speaker 1: Prison to tell us about the case that they've built
Speaker 1: for Danny's freedom. This is Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. Before I
Speaker 1: introduce Danny ring Kahn, who's calling in from prison where
Speaker 1: he's been for a very long time, where he doesn't belong. First,
Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce his legal team. Sarah Rossner Farah
Speaker 1: is an attorney with the Exoneration Initiative.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having us and.
Speaker 1: With us today as well is Glenn Garber. And Glenn
Speaker 1: has been responsible for a large number of exonerations as
Speaker 1: the founder and director of the Exoneration Initiative. And it's
Speaker 1: so great that you're here and so great that you're
Speaker 1: working on Danny's case that I know that you'll be
Speaker 1: the first one to greet him when he gets out,
Speaker 1: because I know how much this case meets you. So
Speaker 1: Glenn Garber, welcome to wrongful Conviction. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Jason happy to be here.
Speaker 1: And Danny ring Khon calling in from Attica. So Danny,
Speaker 1: welcome to wrongful Conviction.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Jason, thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Danny is serving what I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: will agree is an absurd sentence. He's serving one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty eight and a third years to life. But
Speaker 1: let's not start there. Let's start at the beginning. Danny,
Speaker 1: you grew up in Washington Heights in the height of
Speaker 1: the crack epidemic. Can you tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about what it.
Speaker 5: Was like It was certainly a volatile neighborhood, a troubled
Speaker 5: timed in New York City. There was a you know,
Speaker 5: war on drugs. There was a high crime and murder rate.
Speaker 5: Drugs were prevalent, particularly crack cocaine. And I'm not going
Speaker 5: to say that I am innocent of being involved in drugs,
Speaker 5: but I would never do what I am wrongly convicted of.
Speaker 5: You know, my parents were working people. My dad worked
Speaker 5: at Columbia Presbyteria Medical Center for twenty seven years. My
Speaker 5: mom makes you rest in peace. Excuse me. My mom
Speaker 5: worked thirty three years at a ghost and my parents
Speaker 5: worked hard to provide for my brothers and me. My
Speaker 5: parents are still values in US. And I made a
Speaker 5: poor decision in those years to take to the streets,
Speaker 5: which brought nothing but shame, embarrassment, and humiliation of my
Speaker 5: parents and my family. But you know, we were blessed
Speaker 5: in many ways because my parents provided and we had
Speaker 5: what we needed, my brothers and I and we went
Speaker 5: to school and we had a great upbringing, despite the
Speaker 5: fact that we grew up in a poor neighborhood that
Speaker 5: was flooded and riddled with violence and drugs. But that
Speaker 5: was Washington Heights.
Speaker 4: In those days.
Speaker 5: The South Bronx was no different.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I ventured over to the South Bronx at the age
Speaker 5: of maybe fourteen fifteen years old, and what I saw
Speaker 5: there was not much different than what I seen in
Speaker 5: my own neighborhood in Washington Heights.
Speaker 1: Even for the violent insanity that was taking place in
Speaker 1: the South Bronx and Washington Heights, that whole section of
Speaker 1: the city in those days. This was a particularly violent
Speaker 1: crime though. This was a crime that became known as
Speaker 1: the Quad murders.
Speaker 3: So there were rival drug organizations at the time in
Speaker 3: the area in mod Haven, and there were three that
Speaker 3: we can discuss which were actually relevant to this incident.
Speaker 3: There was the Red Top organization, which was led by
Speaker 3: two brothers, Lenny and Nelson Seppovita, and then there was
Speaker 3: another organization, the Orange Top, which Danny was affiliated with,
Speaker 3: and then there was the Yellow Top. Each of these
Speaker 3: organizations had a separate location where they would sell drugs.
Speaker 3: They had different people that worked for each of the groups.
Speaker 3: They were stepping on each other's toes. They were fighting
Speaker 3: over territory, they were fighting over pricing for each of
Speaker 3: the vials that they were selling, trying to undercut the
Speaker 3: other to take over some territory. So it was a
Speaker 3: drug war so to speak, that was going on between
Speaker 3: these three organizations.
Speaker 1: This was not some small time drug dealing. I mean
Speaker 1: they were making between ten and twenty million dollars a
Speaker 1: year just the Red Top Gang itself, right.
Speaker 3: The Sepovetas were sort of the drug kingpins, if you will,
Speaker 3: and they were the ones who were actually ruling most
Speaker 3: in that area.
Speaker 5: BigMan Avenue is a small street between Saint Mary's Park
Speaker 5: and one hundred and forty fourth Street in the Bronx,
Speaker 5: New York. Let me Supervador basically ruled Big Maan Avenue
Speaker 5: with a nine and fifth Let me Supervada. At the
Speaker 5: time of the murders was in prison. A good friend
Speaker 5: of mine, Gerard Herd, opened up a spot on BigMan
Speaker 5: Avenue and was selling yellow time. Nelson Sepervador apparently took
Speaker 5: over while his brother Lenny was in prison and felt
Speaker 5: that Gerard her was encrouching on BigMan Avenue. So in
Speaker 5: an act of force or discipline or what have you,
Speaker 5: he decided to unleash these individuals, include himself, to shoot
Speaker 5: up this corner, killing four people.
Speaker 1: So what happens is.
Speaker 4: First of all, it was a freezing called night. It
Speaker 4: was about ten fifteen ten twenty on December sixteenth, and
Speaker 4: Nelson Saipolvite, who was the architect of the quad murders,
Speaker 4: arrives on the scene with Francisco Medina or Freddy Krueger,
Speaker 4: a guy named Platino who is Wilfredo de los Angeles
Speaker 4: Tezo or Rafael Perez, and an individual known as Crazy
Speaker 4: Ray converge and start opening fire into that alleyway at
Speaker 4: three forty eight Peakman Avenue.
Speaker 1: These guys, two of them jump out of a car
Speaker 1: two run up on foot Nelson Sepulvido, Wilfredo de los Angeles,
Speaker 1: Rafael Perez and a guy named Crazy Ray. They roll
Speaker 1: up spray the alleyway with sixty rounds from semi automatics,
Speaker 1: wounding one person Janice Brewington, and killing four Cynthia Cassada,
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Vieira, one unidentified manned Anthony Green and Danny. You
Speaker 1: knew Anthony Green and his family, his brother Benjamin and
Speaker 1: his mother Irene. I mean, in fact, they're part of
Speaker 1: your alibi. I mean again, this is the mother and
Speaker 1: the brother of a victim. It just doesn't get more
Speaker 1: so that right.
Speaker 5: What we learned later was that the shooters left the
Speaker 5: apartment of Terrell Blair and Brenda Blair on Beekman Avenue.
Speaker 5: Sorel Blair leaves his apartment and runs up to the
Speaker 5: Greens apartment to tell Benjamin that something's gonna happen to
Speaker 5: his brother down the block because these guys were leaving
Speaker 5: his apartment and he knew they were discussing. Jera heard
Speaker 5: his brother and those individuals around Yellow Chop there, so
Speaker 5: he was headed up there to warn Benjamin to go
Speaker 5: get his brother out of the way because something was
Speaker 5: gonna happen there. Cyrel Blair has refused to get involved
Speaker 5: in this matter for whatever his reasons are.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that night? Like, what were
Speaker 1: you actually.
Speaker 5: Doing that evening? I was on Cyprus Avenue in Building
Speaker 5: three seventy, an apartment in one gene while I was
Speaker 5: sickond in a bedroom talking to my brother. May he
Speaker 5: also rest in peace. He was incarcerrated in Raking's Island
Speaker 5: at the time. He had made a phone call. Prior
Speaker 5: to me taking the call, I was inside Apartment one
Speaker 5: B in the adjacent building three point fifty four and
Speaker 5: mide Ya Beenurecour's apartment. While my brother and I were
Speaker 5: on the phone. I her shooting, and it appeared to
Speaker 5: me that the shooting was coming from right out front.
Speaker 5: I raised the shade from the window and I see
Speaker 5: a girl standing right in front of the window by
Speaker 5: the name of Pamela Fortune. I bang on the window.
Speaker 5: I tell her, don't you hear those people shooting? Get
Speaker 5: in the building. Moments later, within minutes, I'm getting ready
Speaker 5: to walk out the building. In the vestibule of the building,
Speaker 5: I run into Pam Lena Patten Irene Green, who's crying uncontrollably.
Speaker 5: I know Irene Green because she is the mother of
Speaker 5: two friends of mine, Benjamin Green and Anthony Green. She
Speaker 5: tells me that her boy got shot. I offered to
Speaker 5: help her up to her apartment. Lena Patten and Pam
Speaker 5: Fortune said that they were going to take upstairs, so
Speaker 5: I took her to the front of the elevator and
Speaker 5: I left him there. I immediately walk outside. I noticed
Speaker 5: that Benjamin Green was standing in front of the building.
Speaker 5: In my mind, and when she said my boy got shot,
Speaker 5: I thought that it was Benjamin because I knew at
Speaker 5: the time Benjamin was running the streets in those days.
Speaker 5: Never had it occurred to me that it was Anthony.
Speaker 5: So I approached Benjamin. I said to him, Hey, your
Speaker 5: mother doesn't seem well. You need to go in there
Speaker 5: and check on your mother. He tells me my brother
Speaker 5: got shot. He goes in the building to assist his mother.
Speaker 5: I leave the neighborhood that night. The very next day,
Speaker 5: I was back on Cyprus Avenue about ten to eleven in
Speaker 5: the morning, and I see that the neighborhood is flooded
Speaker 5: with investigators and cops. Canda seeing that whole entire.
Speaker 1: Area, Yeah, I guess you would have a lot of
Speaker 1: investigators and a lot of pressure to get the killers
Speaker 1: off the streets or to get somebody just to make
Speaker 1: the pressure go away, right, And I imagined that had
Speaker 1: a lot to do with how they ended up targeting you, Right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Mark Tepans was pressure to make an arrest in
Speaker 5: this case and he didn't have anything.
Speaker 3: Tippins was a member of the fortieth Precinct Detective Squad
Speaker 3: and he had several open cases in the Mount Haven
Speaker 3: area during that time too. After the Quad murders, he
Speaker 3: was assigned to the bronx DA's office to help make
Speaker 3: the case on the Quad. He was under a lot
Speaker 3: of pressure to close all of these cases, and so
Speaker 3: he used a lot of the same witnesses over and
Speaker 3: over again, sort of a witness for higher situation, if
Speaker 3: you will. These witnesses would offer false testimony in exchange
Speaker 3: for money and reduced charges or sentences for their own crimes.
Speaker 3: In the Quad murder case, many of the witnesses he
Speaker 3: used to implicate Danny and his co defendants were members
Speaker 3: of the Red Top, the rivals to Danny's Orange Tops
Speaker 3: and to those Yellow Tops who were the targets of
Speaker 3: the Quad. They had all had a vested interest in
Speaker 3: Danny getting off the street, so they were more than
Speaker 3: willing to place them at the scene.
Speaker 2: So let me give you an example.
Speaker 3: In April of nineteen ninety two, Tebens received a call
Speaker 3: from a woman named Elizabeth Morales. Morales, who by the way,
Speaker 3: had worked for the Red Top organization, claimed that she
Speaker 3: and her family were in fear for their lives because
Speaker 3: the Sepulvedas were after them because they'd stolen drugs from them.
Speaker 3: So Elizabeth Morales said she needed help, and in exchange
Speaker 3: for that help, she's told Tebans conveniently that she could
Speaker 3: provide help and give him information on a lot of
Speaker 3: the violence that took place on Beakman Avenue. So Tebbins
Speaker 3: remember under so much pressure, he went immediately to the
Speaker 3: shelter to where she and her three children were and
Speaker 3: started talking to them, and she said that they could
Speaker 3: give them names of the alleged perpetrators of the quad,
Speaker 3: as well as several other homicides that had taken place
Speaker 3: in the area over time. So he calls them down
Speaker 3: to the DA's office and they give statements. Meanwhile, he's
Speaker 3: providing them protection, he's helping them to relocate to a motel.
Speaker 3: He gives them money for living expenses and food, and
Speaker 3: he later moves them to an apartment and starts to
Speaker 3: pay for their rent. So each of them happily gives
Speaker 3: a statement. One of Elizabeth's daughters, Iris Cruise, what they
Speaker 3: used to call their little Iris. She was fourteen years
Speaker 3: old at the time of the quad, and she also
Speaker 3: was an employee of the Red Top. She can even
Speaker 3: read English at the time, but she signed a statement
Speaker 3: he handed her that she saw Danny from her fourth
Speaker 3: floor apartment window at the opposite end of Beakman Avenue,
Speaker 3: which is where the alley was located, and she said
Speaker 3: she heard fireworks. So she leaned out of her window
Speaker 3: and looks down the road through a fire escape and
Speaker 3: says she can see what was going on. Now, if
Speaker 3: you picture a city block, it's pretty long. She can
Speaker 3: see all the way down to the other end of
Speaker 3: the block in the dark because the lights have been
Speaker 3: blown out, and can see that Danny's sitting in a
Speaker 3: car shooting from the car. I mean that sounds a
Speaker 3: little bit sketchy to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would like to actually go to that apartment,
Speaker 1: and I have a funny feeling we would know maybe
Speaker 1: you've already done that.
Speaker 3: So we actually did do that, Jason, and we stood
Speaker 3: on the street and looked down the block and there's
Speaker 3: absolutely no And we did.
Speaker 2: It in broad daylight.
Speaker 3: There's no way in the dark of night you could
Speaker 3: see all the way down there.
Speaker 1: We see cases like this over and over again where
Speaker 1: these witness statements are so easily proven to be not
Speaker 1: a false, but could not be true. It's a different
Speaker 1: category from false, right could not be true because you
Speaker 1: cannot see from where they said they were to where
Speaker 1: the thing took place. But that gets pretty easily glossed
Speaker 1: over in the course to these proceedings somehow and eliciteth.
Speaker 3: Morales also had a son named Joey Morales who was
Speaker 3: thirteen at the time of the quad and he allegedly
Speaker 3: saw the shooting as well. And he, by the way,
Speaker 3: was a witness in six other cases in which Teppens
Speaker 3: was the detective.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something about the incredible Joy Morales.
Speaker 5: Joey Morales claims that he went to buy a gallon
Speaker 5: of milk at ten thirty in the evening and witnessed
Speaker 5: the quad murders. In another case, he went to buy
Speaker 5: milk at three point thirty in the morning and witnessed
Speaker 5: a guy by the name of Rashi Rice and Angel
Speaker 5: kinyone is committed a robbery and a murder at three
Speaker 5: thirty in the morning that his mother sent him to
Speaker 5: go buy some milk. In another matter, Marion Frasier's case,
Speaker 5: the Incredible Joey Morales claims that he left his house
Speaker 5: to go hang out in the neighborhood at fort the
Speaker 5: afternoons and wondered the neighborhood to six o'clock in the
Speaker 5: morning without going home. Thirteen year old kid wandered that
Speaker 5: neighborhood in those years to six o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5: We're at five point thirty in the morning. He allegedly
Speaker 5: observes Madamia Frasier, I'm bitter murder one hundred and forty pressure.
Speaker 1: And these people were just so lucky that they have
Speaker 1: to witness one murder after another. That sounds like some
Speaker 1: Scarcella type of stuff.
Speaker 5: It seems that Evans has got sell as the one
Speaker 5: in the same.
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Speaker 5: It was almost a summer day, like it was June sixth,
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety two. I was on the same street that
Speaker 5: I was on the night of the murders, on Typer's Avenue.
Speaker 5: As I look up, I see Mark Tebans and he
Speaker 5: tells me that he needed to talk to me, And
Speaker 5: I said, to talk to me about what. He said, well,
Speaker 5: somebody said you robbed them. When I get to the
Speaker 5: priest and he tells me that I'm there for Big Monamue.
Speaker 5: I said, what do you mean Big Minavenue. He said,
Speaker 5: we got information that you was driving the car the
Speaker 5: night of the murders. That said me, impossible. There's thirty
Speaker 5: forty people that can tell you I was on Cyper's
Speaker 5: Avenue that evening. That's impossible. I was processed. I was
Speaker 5: taken down to Central Booking and charged with killing four
Speaker 5: people and wounding someone else, and Judge Ira Growboman granted
Speaker 5: me the bill was said at one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That's kind of low bail for someone who they think
Speaker 1: committed this horrific crime.
Speaker 5: I was able to get bailed out because Benjamin Green
Speaker 5: and his mother Irene Green, were at my arrangement, and
Speaker 5: as you know, Benjamin is the brother of Irene is
Speaker 5: the mother of one of the deceased, Anthony Green. And
Speaker 5: so their statement was to quote an open statement that
Speaker 5: I was on Cyprus Avenue in their building and that
Speaker 5: I assisted her that evening, and that I couldn't have
Speaker 5: been involved. The judge, I guess, took that in consideration
Speaker 5: and granted me the bail. Even while I was out
Speaker 5: on bail, I visited the Green house.
Speaker 1: So how long were you out before the trial?
Speaker 5: So I got arrested in ninety two, I got out
Speaker 5: on bail. I initially started trial in the Bronx, well,
Speaker 5: at least the co defendants did, and just Ira Globerman,
Speaker 5: a Supreme Court justice in the Bronx, who granted me
Speaker 5: the bail. By the way, Ira Globerman did not believe
Speaker 5: that I was guilty of these murders. He's told the
Speaker 5: prosecution and a hearing he said that he's seen the
Speaker 5: evidence of prosecution has and he's not persuaded that I
Speaker 5: am guilty of these murders, and that for those reasons
Speaker 5: he's going to separate my case from that of the
Speaker 5: Code offantas he said, the cod defenders will go on
Speaker 5: trial first, and mister rincomm because he is out on bail,
Speaker 5: he'll go on trial's second. That never happened. Obviously, we
Speaker 5: was indicted in the superseding indictment in New York County.
Speaker 5: All the charges were later dismissed in the Bronx and
Speaker 5: reindicted in New York County, and I was remanded by Snyder,
Speaker 5: and that was in ninety three, and the trial that
Speaker 5: had starts a year later.
Speaker 1: We went before Snyder and Leslie Crocker.
Speaker 4: Schneider, you know, was an animal judge. I mean, she
Speaker 4: was notorious for doing out the harshness of sentences and
Speaker 4: wrote the book twenty five to Life, which focused on
Speaker 4: the Wild Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was notorious.
Speaker 3: Little did anyone know that this tough judge would not
Speaker 3: be Danny's biggest problem. It's important to note that in
Speaker 3: November of ninety three they found an indictment with forty
Speaker 3: one defendants co defendants, and they called it the Wild
Speaker 3: Cowboy Trial. But it was like all the crimes that
Speaker 3: had taken place in that area. So there was a
Speaker 3: big blanket of an indictment that they issued and all
Speaker 3: that the crowd murders was just one of them, and
Speaker 3: thirty two of those individuals of the forty one play
Speaker 3: out they pled guilty and nine, Danny being one of them,
Speaker 3: proceeded to go to trial, and of those, five of
Speaker 3: them were convicted of the quad.
Speaker 4: I can tell you that the wrong people that they
Speaker 4: focused on were Stanley Tukes, Russell Harris, Daniel Gonzalez, and
Speaker 4: Danny ron Cone, and those people are all innocent, by
Speaker 4: the way. In addition to Danny ron Cone, there was
Speaker 4: one guy, Wilfredo de Los Angeles, who we believe was
Speaker 4: an actual perpetrator of the quad. But the theory that
Speaker 4: they went with was clearly wrong.
Speaker 1: How did they come to land all five of them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the prosecution came up with this theory that
Speaker 4: Orange Top teamed up with Red Top in an effort
Speaker 4: to off Yellow Top, which was totally false. I mean,
Speaker 4: in fact, Red Top and Orange Top did not get
Speaker 4: along and Red Top had put a hit at we
Speaker 4: actually shot Danny in.
Speaker 5: Nineteen ninety was the subject of a similar shooting at
Speaker 5: the hands of Lenny Separvator, where I was shot six
Speaker 5: times on that same corner where the quad happened. Just
Speaker 5: a year before for the same reasons, because I was
Speaker 5: associated with Orisa. As we know that the murders happened
Speaker 5: on December sixteen, nineteen ninety one. Two weeks later, I
Speaker 5: held a New Year's party at Cyprus Avenue. I invited
Speaker 5: the whole Yellow Top crew to about her. Benjamin Green,
Speaker 5: whose brother had just been killed two weeks earlier, was
Speaker 5: in a party with me, So you know, it just
Speaker 5: the sized logic that you know, I would try to
Speaker 5: ambush these guys and then be partying with them two
Speaker 5: weeks later. But ironically, the people that were actually now
Speaker 5: known to be responsible for the Quad were not present
Speaker 5: or invited to the party. Again, as I said, a
Speaker 5: decise logic, So.
Speaker 4: There was really a clear divide between Redtop and Orange Top.
Speaker 4: But the prosecution just blew through that because they needed
Speaker 4: to join them for their case.
Speaker 1: So you end up a trial and how did that
Speaker 1: whole thing play out?
Speaker 5: So the trial began in nineteen ninety four September ninety four,
Speaker 5: But I never, for the life of me, believed that
Speaker 5: the Quad was something that I get convicted of for
Speaker 5: many reasons. The alleged witnesses stories were all over the place.
Speaker 5: You know, their narratives changed from one telling to the next,
Speaker 5: and I knew that there was just so many people
Speaker 5: that can place me on Cyprus Avenue. But as the
Speaker 5: trial moved along, I realized that the waste sneider was
Speaker 5: pushing this trial forward, and the way she was denying stuff,
Speaker 5: you know, my hopes dwindled more and more that I
Speaker 5: can get a fair trial in front of this woman.
Speaker 5: And so the witnesses got up, understand and they all testified,
Speaker 5: and one after the other, the lawyers tried their best
Speaker 5: to try to show that these witnesses were all lying
Speaker 5: for a favor and providing testimony and to try to
Speaker 5: get legacy from the prosecutor's officer for you know, whatever reasons.
Speaker 5: But I predominantly wanted to hear the Cruise Morales family
Speaker 5: because I knew I didn't know these people. I knew
Speaker 5: that we weren't friends, I knew that these people were lying,
Speaker 5: and I just knew that at some point, you know,
Speaker 5: it's going to come out, this is going to come
Speaker 5: out during this trial that these people did not witness this,
Speaker 5: and these people just implicating individuals here wrongfully. That was
Speaker 5: my aspiration, but it didn't play out. That way they testified,
Speaker 5: they gave the conflicting narratives that they gave, and the
Speaker 5: jury still accepted it. But I believe that the jury
Speaker 5: accepted the narratives that these witnesses provided simply because the
Speaker 5: way the trial was held. They sat us in this courtroom,
Speaker 5: eight individuals at a defense table. So try to picture
Speaker 5: these guys in your mind. There's three defense attorneys. There's
Speaker 5: an armed camp of court officers and investigators and police
Speaker 5: all surrounding the courtroom, media all over the place. There's
Speaker 5: eight defense attorneys. A couple of the defense attorneys had
Speaker 5: either a paralegal or second chair, and there's just this
Speaker 5: big show going on about how these guys were one
Speaker 5: of the worst groups of individuals that committed all these
Speaker 5: hangs acts during the course of seven years.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a circus. I mean, with that many people,
Speaker 1: how could you even begin to present the cohesive defense.
Speaker 4: It's very unusual that they would do more than five
Speaker 4: defendants together in a trial. Anything over five becomes super unwieldy.
Speaker 4: And this was way beyond that. It was a circus.
Speaker 5: And the jury, not hearing from any of the defendants,
Speaker 5: in their mind, must have said that They're all guilty,
Speaker 5: they all did it. Why aren't they getting up there
Speaker 5: and defending themselves. I wanted to testify. I was prepared
Speaker 5: to tell this jury. Look, I was on Cyprus Avenue.
Speaker 4: And Irene Green and Benjamin Green had provided information to
Speaker 4: Donald Tucker, Danny's lawyer, about that alibi. Donald Tucker failed
Speaker 4: to do anything with that alibi. Investigated further and put
Speaker 4: on alibi witnesses on Danny's behalf.
Speaker 5: The lawyer Donald Tuckle at the time, who was disbarred
Speaker 5: by the way six months seven months after my trial,
Speaker 5: told me that if I forced any witness to come
Speaker 5: into the court to testify that doesn't want to testify.
Speaker 5: Whenever I needed them to testify, they won't testify for me.
Speaker 5: And I was explained to that if I do testify,
Speaker 5: will not be in my best interest. So I decided
Speaker 5: to not to testify, which I think is one of
Speaker 5: the worst mistakes I've made in my life. But the
Speaker 5: trial was a font.
Speaker 1: You have a circus trial with an impossible number of
Speaker 1: people at the defense table in and around defendants, lawyers, paralegals.
Speaker 1: You had a lawyer who was on his way to
Speaker 1: being disbarred. But the moment, the moment when you were convicted.
Speaker 1: What was that like.
Speaker 5: I got to tell you that it was probably one
Speaker 5: of the worst days of my life. I mean absently
Speaker 5: my mother's passing and my brother. I think that that
Speaker 5: was one of the most worst days of my life.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I sat there and looked at I stared at the
Speaker 5: jury like a blank stare, and I'm trying to just
Speaker 5: make sense of how did they come to the conclusion
Speaker 5: that I was guilty of Quad. The reason we sat
Speaker 5: there was because of that Quad murder, and I knew
Speaker 5: I wasn't guilty. I never, never, never would have imagined
Speaker 5: that maybe it's twenty eight years later and I'm still
Speaker 5: sitting here. I knew that. At some point I said
Speaker 5: to myself, you know, Benjamin Green's family would come forward
Speaker 5: and fortune will come forward and tell these people I'm
Speaker 5: not responsible for this. They can bear witness to the
Speaker 5: fact that I didn't do this, and that day hasn't come.
Speaker 1: You got sent to president.
Speaker 5: On the day of sentencing, I was taken up to
Speaker 5: downstair from the bullpen. I didn't make it back to
Speaker 5: Raga's Island. I was processing downstate. Within the next two
Speaker 5: three days. I was on a bus headed towards Western
Speaker 5: New York. I found myself in Wendy Correctional Facility. I
Speaker 5: stayed at Wendy for about roughly seventy days. I had
Speaker 5: an opportunity at least to see my mother. My mother
Speaker 5: tracked me down and made her way up there, and
Speaker 5: I saw my mother's and thereafter seventy some days later,
Speaker 5: I found myself where I am today at Attica Correctional Facility,
Speaker 5: and I'm looking for a familiar faith and I run
Speaker 5: into Derek Hamilton, who I had known from Rykers Island
Speaker 5: and who actually was a friend of my brother when
Speaker 5: he rested peace. So I've seen Derek and he tells me, listen,
Speaker 5: you got to go to the Law Library. But back
Speaker 5: then I didn't have a crew of what the law
Speaker 5: Library was or what the low Library was going to
Speaker 5: do for me, and I just didn't go. So five
Speaker 5: years later, I leave Attica and I find myself at
Speaker 5: green Haven. I decided that I needed to go to
Speaker 5: the Law Library because they was offering a legal research class,
Speaker 5: and I ended up getting a legal research certificate. Almost
Speaker 5: four years later, I leave green Haven and I find
Speaker 5: myself in Auburn and I run into a good friend
Speaker 5: of min named Shabaka Chakourt, who introduced me to other
Speaker 5: individuals that are working in the law library of doing
Speaker 5: things that were constructive. And I just made a decision
Speaker 5: that that's what I was going to do. That I
Speaker 5: had to teach myself how to research, understand, how to
Speaker 5: seek evidence, obtain evidence, and present it. I find it
Speaker 5: to get a job in the law library around two
Speaker 5: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and then another
Speaker 5: guy comes into the library that I hadn't the privilege
Speaker 5: to meet then, Nelson Cruz, talking about his case. He
Speaker 5: was talking about how he had a wrongful conviction and
Speaker 5: he had actually an officer who can substantiate that he
Speaker 5: was not the shooter in his case. Law and behold,
Speaker 5: Derek Hamilton arrives to the facility, but he's at the
Speaker 5: shoe now and he sent me a message because he
Speaker 5: heard that I was a clerk in the law libraries.
Speaker 5: And so Derek gets down to the law library. Now
Speaker 5: we're all together. We were all wrongfully convicted, and because
Speaker 5: we were all arguing actual witniicsens, we namely grouped the
Speaker 5: AI team the actually Wittidens team. So what we would
Speaker 5: do is brainstorm different cases. One of the cases that
Speaker 5: we brainstorm was Innrie Davis. It was a Supreme Court
Speaker 5: case where the guy was convicted wrongfully we believe as well,
Speaker 5: for shooting a police officer down in Georgia somewhere. And
Speaker 5: interestingly in the decision, one of the judges stated was
Speaker 5: that the guy had some alibi winners who weren't given
Speaker 5: the opportunity to testify, and it should be afforded that opportunity.
Speaker 5: When I read that that like gave me energy, gave
Speaker 5: me hope that the witnesses that I have that can
Speaker 5: place me on Cyper's avenue hadn't been given that opportunity
Speaker 5: to testify and should be given that opportunity to testify.
Speaker 4: So Danny actually had a number of post conviction motions after.
Speaker 2: He got sentenced to one hundred and fifty eight to
Speaker 2: third to.
Speaker 4: Life, and the first motion was a Brady violation the
Speaker 4: suppression of exculpatory evidence, which he lost. It was another
Speaker 4: one that was brought based on Leslie Krocker Snyder's failure
Speaker 4: to accuse herself because she had conflicts associated with the case.
Speaker 4: They lost that there was a habeas corpus petition brought
Speaker 4: in federal court based on the theory of prosecution, which
Speaker 4: was that it was one single conspiracy, which was the
Speaker 4: Red Top Orange Top combined, when in reality was multiple conspiracies.
Speaker 2: They lost that.
Speaker 5: So during those years, you know, the people that I
Speaker 5: would write frequently write was Glenn Garber, John Elstein, Ron Cooby,
Speaker 5: pleading with them to help me with my situation. But
Speaker 5: unbeknownst to me, there was an attorney who believed in
Speaker 5: my innocence. Was David Taber and David Goldstein who were
Speaker 5: actually speaking to Glenn for me.
Speaker 4: David Tagar, who was the lawyer for Rafael Perez and
Speaker 4: was co counsel to Donald Tucker, Danny's lawyer, came to
Speaker 4: me and said, you got to get involved in Danny's case.
Speaker 4: We actually went me and David Tager up to see
Speaker 4: Tezo Rafael Perez to talk to him because David was
Speaker 4: saying that Danny was innocent, and the affid David that
Speaker 4: Tezo signed came about either when I went with him
Speaker 4: or maybe shortly thereafter. In any event, in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: I teamed up with two other lawyers to do what
Speaker 4: was a very substantive post conviction motion of also called
Speaker 4: a four to forty motion, and the lawyers were Jonathan
Speaker 4: Eedelstein and Patrick Joyce. And in that motion in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: we had an affidavit from Rafael Perez Tezo who came
Speaker 4: forward and said that he was a shooter in the
Speaker 4: quad murder. Now, mind you, Teso was not one of
Speaker 4: the prosecution defendants for the quad murder. He was actually
Speaker 4: at that joint trial, but the prosecution did not claim
Speaker 4: he was associated in any way with the quad shooting.
Speaker 4: But it turns out that Tezo was a shooter. And
Speaker 4: Francisco Medina also came forward aka Freddy Krueger, and he
Speaker 4: also signed an affid David and said that he was
Speaker 4: a shooter in the quad murder. Also, somebody the prosecution
Speaker 4: did not target as a defendant for the quad murder.
Speaker 5: I also want to put something out of that. I
Speaker 5: think it's very interesting. In nineteen ninety five, there was
Speaker 5: an individual by the name of Raoul Vaugis who was
Speaker 5: indicted by federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New
Speaker 5: York along with several others. They charged seventeen murders. Freddy Krueger,
Speaker 5: who was actually one of the participants in this quad
Speaker 5: was charged in that indictment as well. In nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 5: the federal government had yet to declare whether or not
Speaker 5: they was going to seek the death penalty in that case,
Speaker 5: Raoul Vagas decided to become a federal cooperator. In nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety five, he admits of the federal government that he
Speaker 5: was involved in the quad murders.
Speaker 4: And in that trial, Raoul Vargas testified about being the
Speaker 4: driver and being in the neighborhood and around the corner
Speaker 4: when the shooting took place, and was aware of the
Speaker 4: details of it, and knew that Freddy Krueger was involved,
Speaker 4: knew that Teza was involved, knew that Nelson said Pulvido
Speaker 4: was involved, and knew that Platineau was also involved, and
Speaker 4: says that Danny had nothing to do with the quad murder.
Speaker 4: So we had those three people who were all involved
Speaker 4: in the quad murder, all people the prosecution did not
Speaker 4: target as defendants in the quad murder, and they came
Speaker 4: forward and they said unequivocally that Danny was not involved.
Speaker 4: That really should have been enough to get either an
Speaker 4: exoneration or a hearing where they could have testified in
Speaker 4: front of the court and the court could have heard
Speaker 4: from them. The judge actually denied us even hearing on
Speaker 4: that motion. There was other things also that were raised
Speaker 4: in that motion that were very powerful. There were six
Speaker 4: alibi witnesses that came forward, and just to harken back
Speaker 4: to what Danny was saying a bit, those were witnesses
Speaker 4: that placed him at that apartment one G on Cyprus Avenue,
Speaker 4: over a block and a half away from where the
Speaker 4: quad murder took place at the time that the shooting occurred,
Speaker 4: and those witnesses prepared Affi Davids and we filed those
Speaker 4: with our four to forty motion as well. Some interesting
Speaker 4: features also, as David Towger wrote an affid David and
Speaker 4: said that Tezo Rafael Perez had been telling him all
Speaker 4: along from the beginning that he was involved in the
Speaker 4: quad murders and that Danny was innocent. But David Tower
Speaker 4: couldn't reveal that information because he was defending Tezo, and
Speaker 4: he obviously couldn't raise that information and implicate him on
Speaker 4: something that's client did that he was in charge with.
Speaker 4: But Tezo ultimately allowed David Tager to come forward with
Speaker 4: this information because Justice demanded it, and that gives you
Speaker 4: a sense of why David Tager was up in arms
Speaker 4: about this, the fact that Danny was erroneously placed in
Speaker 4: the quad murders, not only you know, during the trial,
Speaker 4: but also afterwards, why he came to me and why
Speaker 4: he's so adamant that this injustice happened that Danny needed
Speaker 4: to be exonerated. David Goldstein also filled out an affid
Speaker 4: David that was submitted in that four to forty motion
Speaker 4: and talked about Donald Tucker, who was Danny's lawyer, and
Speaker 4: said that he had revealed to Tucker that there was
Speaker 4: an alibi, and Irene Green and Benjamin Green had provided
Speaker 4: information to him about that alibi, and Donald Tucker never
Speaker 4: brought that evidence forward. And one of the claims in
Speaker 4: that four to forty motion, by the way, was in
Speaker 4: effective assistance of counsel for Tucker's failure to do anything
Speaker 4: with that alibi. Investigated further and put on alibi witnesses
Speaker 4: on Danny's behalf. So unfortunately, in twenty fifteen, Judge Fitzgerald,
Speaker 4: who got assigned to the case, wrote a very bad decision,
Speaker 4: denying us on all grounds and not even giving us
Speaker 4: our day in court, and that's where we're basically at now,
Speaker 4: where we're continuing our investigation. We're trying to shore up
Speaker 4: additional aspects of the alibi, we're looking into Tebbans, and
Speaker 4: we're at a place right now where we're trying to
Speaker 4: get him back into court with new stuff.
Speaker 3: And I think one of the most important parts of
Speaker 3: this whole case has been the targeting of Danny, basically
Speaker 3: to get him off the street. And I think the
Speaker 3: witnesses they've used, I mean, the judge never seemed to
Speaker 3: knowledge the fact that all of these people had invested
Speaker 3: interest in having him put away, and that was something
Speaker 3: that just was never brought to light. And I think
Speaker 3: that that's sort of our goal going forward, is to
Speaker 3: show that they all had a motive. We have people
Speaker 3: with no incentive to lie that have cleared him. So
Speaker 3: I think we just need to sort of parse out
Speaker 3: the facts and separate them chronologically and logically to see
Speaker 3: why we're in the situation.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any freaking sense. And so many
Speaker 1: of the people that Danny referenced are people that we've
Speaker 1: had on the show, people that I consider to be
Speaker 1: friends and most of them have been exonerated by now
Speaker 1: or at a minimum freed, and yet he continues to
Speaker 1: go on with Danny, I mean, what an inspirational guy
Speaker 1: you are. You were convicted of a horrible crime that
Speaker 1: you didn't commit. The killers were allowed to remain free,
Speaker 1: and New York City suffered as a result. Taxpayers continue
Speaker 1: to pay for your wrongful incarceration, and you continue to
Speaker 1: pay with your very life. And all of it is
Speaker 1: something that you outrage everybody of good conscience. So the
Speaker 1: good news is we're here, we're shining a light on it.
Speaker 1: We have Glenn and Farah and a whole team of people,
Speaker 1: and I think hopefully we'll build a new legion of
Speaker 1: people with some of the information that we've shared today.
Speaker 1: And how can people get involved?
Speaker 4: First of all, they can write letters to the Manhattan
Speaker 4: District Attorney's office to say vance Junior and ask that
Speaker 4: they'd be sent to the Integrity Unit and that they
Speaker 4: reevaluate the case. We went to the integraty Unit, by
Speaker 4: the way, and they didn't give a shit. They can
Speaker 4: go to their local government representatives and their districts and
Speaker 4: they can say that this is a case that bothers
Speaker 4: them and ask those people to get involved and maybe
Speaker 4: write letters to the DA's office on their behalf.
Speaker 1: There's also a petition that you can sign on change
Speaker 1: dot org, so please scroll down to the bio and
Speaker 1: get involved. Now we turn to the portion of the
Speaker 1: show that we call closing arguments. First of all, I
Speaker 1: think our distinguished guests, all three of you for our roster,
Speaker 1: thanks again for being.
Speaker 2: Here, Thanks for having us, Jason, thank you.
Speaker 4: And Glenn Garber my pleasure and I'm glad that you're
Speaker 4: featuring this case. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And of course, Danny, you know we're going to get
Speaker 1: to you last, because that's how closing arguments works here
Speaker 1: at the show, is that we always save the bets
Speaker 1: for last. But first of all, like I said, I
Speaker 1: just want to thank you for being here, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, and we're going to keep fighting for you.
Speaker 1: So now closing Arguments is where I turned my microphone off,
Speaker 1: I kicked back in my chair, and I ask each
Speaker 1: of you to share your final thoughts with our audience.
Speaker 6: First of all, thank you so much Jason for having us,
Speaker 6: and thank you for taking the time to hear's Danny's
Speaker 6: story and getting to know him. And learning as many
Speaker 6: people as possible to hear about the injustice he has suffered. Already,
Speaker 6: He's spent twenty five years in prison for a crime
Speaker 6: he did not commit. As you've heard, there's so much
Speaker 6: evidence supporting his claim of innocence, from statements of the
Speaker 6: actual perpetrators of the quad to the people who are
Speaker 6: with him at the exact time of the shooting. Is
Speaker 6: clear that he was not near or in the alley
Speaker 6: when the shooting occurred. In fact, he was on the
Speaker 6: phone with his brother, who was incarcerated at the moment
Speaker 6: the shots were fired, and he ran to see what
Speaker 6: had happened. He yelled to his friends to come inside,
Speaker 6: and then he saw the mother of one of the
Speaker 6: victims and actually hugged and consoled her.
Speaker 2: Of these six.
Speaker 6: People have signed affidavit stating that Danny was with them
Speaker 6: when the shots were fired. They all signed statements saying
Speaker 6: that he did not commit the quad murder. He had
Speaker 6: the misfortune of having a lawyer who did not call
Speaker 6: these witnesses as alibi witnesses at trial, despite his repeated requests.
Speaker 6: He also had the misfortune of being tried in front
Speaker 6: of a judge who was predisposed in not liking him,
Speaker 6: As we later found out in a book she authored
Speaker 6: after the trial with no evidence, she blamed him and
Speaker 6: his co defendants for death threats she and her family
Speaker 6: received during the trial. He had the misfortune of being
Speaker 6: targeted by detective who was determined to close his cases
Speaker 6: as quickly as possible. And as we've discussed, we have
Speaker 6: concerns about the detective's use of witnesses in this case
Speaker 6: and have found a pattern of him misusing the same
Speaker 6: witnesses over and over. He's made promises to the witnesses
Speaker 6: and they often received reduced penalties for their own crimes
Speaker 6: in exchange for their false testimony. Most of these witnesses
Speaker 6: were members of the rival Red Top drug organization, and
Speaker 6: they had interested in getting them off the street. So
Speaker 6: Glenn and I are really committed to helping him uncover
Speaker 6: the truth in this case and giving Danny as well
Speaker 6: as the families of the victims the justice they deserve.
Speaker 4: So this case is a debacle of justice, and there's
Speaker 4: exceptionally strong evidence of innocence that normally would be enough
Speaker 4: to at least get an evidentiary hearing to be able
Speaker 4: to open the door to the court and establish through
Speaker 4: live testimony the exonerating evidence. And we unfortunately had a
Speaker 4: judge who didn't care when we brought the evidence forward
Speaker 4: in our post conviction motion in twenty fourteen. The decision
Speaker 4: that the judge wrote was basically focusing on non substantive
Speaker 4: matters to deny us even the hearing that we needed
Speaker 4: to establish Danny's innocence. We are hopeful that maybe with
Speaker 4: a new DA in Manhattan, or with additional evidence which
Speaker 4: we're developing right now and getting back into court, we
Speaker 4: will get a fair hearing if we have to go
Speaker 4: that far, and we'll get a judge who's actually going
Speaker 4: to care and hear the evidence. Because we do think
Speaker 4: that once we ultimately get our day in court, well
Speaker 4: we can bring those witnesses forward, those true killers who
Speaker 4: actually admit to the crime, and the alibi witnesses who've
Speaker 4: never been heard by a fact finder. Once we're able
Speaker 4: to bring those forward in a fair environment, we're optimistic
Speaker 4: that Danny is finally going to get exonerated.
Speaker 1: Amen, and now Danny over to you for closing arguments.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you so much, Jason for
Speaker 5: giving me the opportunity I want to thank Glengaba, Cybara Rosina,
Speaker 5: the Exageration Initiative, for giving me this opportunity, for believing
Speaker 5: in my innocence, but not giving up on me while
Speaker 5: you know, I fight for my life here. You know,
Speaker 5: this is a difficult situation. Being in prison is hard
Speaker 5: enough of being in prison for a crime that you
Speaker 5: didn't commit, and do a life or a crime that
Speaker 5: you didn't commit, and you know that you look in
Speaker 5: the mirrory morning and you don't have a date to
Speaker 5: be relief from this hell. It's pretty it's a pretty
Speaker 5: hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It weighs on my conscience. It makes me make bad
Speaker 5: decisions at times, It makes me lose my temper, and
Speaker 5: you know, it testes my faith, It testes my mental fortitude.
Speaker 5: It really, you know, doesn't umber mean, and it affects
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, other aspects of my life
Speaker 5: and you know, my personal relationship, my friends, relationship with
Speaker 5: my family and friends, and it's just not right. And
Speaker 5: I know that most of the decisions that I make
Speaker 5: obviously are influenced by this incarceration. But my aim is
Speaker 5: to prove that ultimately one day, that I didn't commit
Speaker 5: this crime, and that there is more than enough evidence
Speaker 5: to substantiate the fact that I didn't commit this crime.
Speaker 5: And I ast encourage those who have that evidence to please,
Speaker 5: you know, come forward, come forward and provide that evidence.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, think about what it would be
Speaker 5: for you sit in prison for twenty eight years for
Speaker 5: a crime and commitment. Think about what it would be
Speaker 5: for a relative of yours, a brother or sister, sibling,
Speaker 5: anybody that you may know that's close to you, to
Speaker 5: sit in prison for twenty eight years knowing that that
Speaker 5: person is innocent, while that person withers away is in
Speaker 5: rots in prison. That's not an easy thing. It's not fair.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's fair on anybody. It's not something
Speaker 5: that anybody should go through. And you know, this is
Speaker 5: a difficult system. The justice system is not just you know,
Speaker 5: the justice system is about who has the wherewithal to
Speaker 5: navigate the system. If you have the money, you can
Speaker 5: locate what you want to need. It appears to be
Speaker 5: in this system. But if you have the evidence, you know,
Speaker 5: the system for some reason sense to undermining and look
Speaker 5: for ways to discredit the evidence. Something that I faced
Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen when Emotion was filed that might behalf
Speaker 5: based on actual The sistant adjudged by the name of
Speaker 5: Daniel sits Gerald, undermine the evidence, overlook the fact that
Speaker 5: I was sitting in prison for a crime that I
Speaker 5: can and get away with me, you know, and that
Speaker 5: was wrong and for those reasons, you know, among others,
Speaker 5: I fight as hard as I fight to prove that,
Speaker 5: you know, I do along around my family and friends
Speaker 5: and out in prison to ride away for something that.
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