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Speaker 1: I welcome to episodes, and I'm here with Liz Rose.

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Speaker 1: And You've been a bit of a unicorn for this

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Speaker 1: because I really have an approached you or Hillary Lindsay

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Speaker 1: or Lori McKenna, and you three are collectively known as

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Speaker 1: love junkies because I don't know, it's like you have

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Speaker 1: someone that you really look up to. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to buy all three of you. It's like I

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Speaker 1: don't want to bother them. And then you and I

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Speaker 1: were at the softball game this past weekend and he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to do it, Bobby cast and I said,

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Speaker 1: I will call you Monday, and we call Monday, and

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Speaker 1: then two days later you're here. So I'm really happy

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Speaker 1: that you came in. I'm a I'm a genuine fan. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of yours. It's like because it's so

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Speaker 1: it's so different on my side because I look at

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Speaker 1: these things that I go, why doesn't he ask me?

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Speaker 1: Does he not like me? What did I do? What's

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Speaker 1: what's the deal? Why didn't he ask me? So when

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Speaker 1: I saw you, I was like, I want to do

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Speaker 1: that because I know you and you're so approachable and

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Speaker 1: you're so sweet. So I thought I'll just say it.

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Speaker 1: He'll either say he'll make an excuse or will go yeah,

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Speaker 1: And for me, I go, I just don't want to

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Speaker 1: bother list. He's writing songs, she's gotta publish. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to bother her. So maybe this is how my

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Speaker 1: whole life has been with the girls Mike. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: they really want me to ask him out and I haven't,

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Speaker 1: and maybe I just should do it constant absolutely. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's a little bitty word like I was like,

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Speaker 1: do say no, yeah? But they do yeah? Well do

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Speaker 1: you say that? I was thinking a minute ago that

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about subjects of songs because you were

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Speaker 1: coming in and I was thinking what we're gonna talk about?

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about subjects of songs, and I

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Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, I think that would be a

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Speaker 1: really cool series to talk to people who have been

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Speaker 1: the subjects of songs, because I've never even thought about that,

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Speaker 1: nor have I ever heard that. Because what came to

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Speaker 1: my mind was, Hey, there to Lilah, and I'd like

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Speaker 1: to talk to Delilah, you know, from playing White Teeth.

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Speaker 1: Hey there to Lilah. What's it like new? This whole

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Speaker 1: song gets up about her? And it's massive. I've had

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Speaker 1: a couple of songs written about me from a couple

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Speaker 1: of different artists, and for me, that story really hasn't permeated.

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Speaker 1: But it's weird. Carly Pearce is what I guess triggered

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Speaker 1: it all. She was at the CMT Awards and she

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Speaker 1: won for New Video and she was talking about the

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Speaker 1: guy that broke her heart, and I'm going, this guy

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Speaker 1: has been just dragged through the mud over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Not only is the song playing over and I like Carly,

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Speaker 1: but Carly keeps going, thanks for breaking my heart. That's

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Speaker 1: gotta be a weird thing to be the subject of

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Speaker 1: a song. Huh yeah, I don't think any I don't

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Speaker 1: know if anybody's ever written a song about me. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. But if you're in a room and you're

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Speaker 1: going and someone's you're working with an artist, okay, and

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Speaker 1: they they are like, I want to write this song

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Speaker 1: about this person. Do you delicately like tiptoe around specific

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Speaker 1: things you know you dive in. I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: write the truth. And if they want to write about it.

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Speaker 1: Then they've got to tell the whole truth, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, then you have to just go I'll just

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Speaker 1: make out of a song, you know. But um, that's

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Speaker 1: my favorite thing to do. I mean, I you know,

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Speaker 1: of years ago, and I was writing about my ex

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Speaker 1: And then later I got a couple of messages saying,

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Speaker 1: X's and I just kind of had to say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was just it was just made up.

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Speaker 1: and all of it. Um, that was a little awkward, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think, but that's what we do. I know, I

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Speaker 1: know I was thinking about it before you got here.

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Speaker 1: But I think that would be a pretty fascinating series

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Speaker 1: if I could talk to people who had songs written

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Speaker 1: a little unfair, but you know, I mean the Carly

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Speaker 1: just going, I like to talk to these dudes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And do you think people find out that somebody's not

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, where did that song come from? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Was my co writer? Yeah? Yeah, it was that. It

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Speaker 1: came to the door, I had cried Pretty in my head,

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Speaker 1: which you know, which is Liz's last song, Carry Underwood,

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Speaker 1: Cry Pretty, And it really wasn't gonna sing it to

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Speaker 1: you sure, cry pretty. It just stays in my head.

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Speaker 1: So it was just it was just it was a gift.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just, it was a gift. I

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Speaker 1: know that you have a lot of rights and a

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Speaker 1: and what happens in the room. But do you remember

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Speaker 1: And um, I just remember how um I had never

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Speaker 1: Carrie is. Yeah, she's she's she's fantastic. She knew exactly

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Speaker 1: I was just blown away whenever they say, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: It was written before she went away. Okay, so you're

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Speaker 1: much less be a single. Right, No, you don't know.

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Speaker 1: a lot. So you know, you just write the best

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Speaker 1: really years ago. So how does that end up making

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Speaker 1: is you didn't start writing until your thirties. Yeah, thirty

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Speaker 1: A publisher hired me as a song plugger. I didn't

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Speaker 1: want plays. And if they're chasing a click, the kind

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Speaker 1: of story, what's the best headline to put in there?

426
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: But and I just wondered that about you. If so

427
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: many people are coming to you to get the clickbait

428
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: stuff to go, it's not even click bit like it's interesting,

429
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that you know, Taylor Swift was

430
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,239
Speaker 1: playing Tim McGraw that the first time Amy met her

431
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: at our radio station. Like, you wrote that with Taylor, right?

432
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: Did you get right? Timarat together? I mean, when you

433
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: sit down and write a song about an artist again,

434
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about writing about personal people, about people that

435
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: had to be weird to get that to Tim right?

436
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: You know, is it so long ago? No, I can,

437
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: It's funny. I she was just sincere. She said, I

438
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: don't want to write a song called when you think

439
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw. And I thought, okay, I mean, you know,

440
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: if you don't cut it, nobody, nobody's gonna cut it.

441
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: But okay, you want to write it. It's your song,

442
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: these are your songs. Let's just do it. And I

443
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: just didn't overthink it, you know. That's that's what I

444
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: did with her. I just didn't overthink it. I felt

445
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: like she was writing her songs and I let her

446
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: and that's why it worked between us. And so I thought, god,

447
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: that's nervy, you know, it's like okay, um, and then she,

448
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, saying it to Tim McGraw's crazy. I remember

449
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: seeing that words show I think you sing it. That

450
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: is that cool for you. Yeah, I was just so

451
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: proud of her. I was. I was always like a

452
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: proud mom with her, you know anything, you know, just

453
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: because she always reinvented the wheel, as she still does.

454
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get over to a crazy girl just a second, Uh,

455
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw, picture to burn to drop some my guitar,

456
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: Fearless White Horse, want to gramm me for that one?

457
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: You belong with me all too well. Then you come

458
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: into my life as one of the power three, this

459
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: group that gets together. All three of you individually are

460
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: super strong. But it's like the Avengers, right like that,

461
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: the Avengers of songwriting. And so I think when you

462
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: and I first met was girl crush whenever, because I'll

463
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: thank you very much for everything you did again in

464
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: the same way that you're saying you just showed up.

465
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: I just thought the song was good, and I thought

466
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 1: people weren't giving a fair shot. I didn't know there

467
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: was this magical message that people would love and or

468
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: there was nothing except I think this is a good song.

469
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: I thought people were getting pissed for no reason whatsoever.

470
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: I think I agree with that. So there was I

471
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: didn't go, oh, I'm about to shake it up with

472
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: this at all. There wasn't three Steps Ahead. But I

473
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: heard this song and this is how it really happened.

474
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: As I was in New York and it was right

475
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: before the album came out. I was with a little

476
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: Big Town and I was talking to Kimberly and Karen,

477
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: which is always the case. I was talking to those

478
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: two and I said, hey, I know Dave Drink is

479
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: about to go number one and the record is not

480
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: out yet. That come out the next day, I said,

481
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: this Girl Crush song is awesome. I'm gonna play it tomorrow.

482
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't a single in anyway. Yeah, no, they said

483
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: maybe the fourth I think, which means never, which they

484
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: may be telling that to everybody on every song. And

485
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: so I played it and I saw the action of

486
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: people and my people. It was all like, wow, what

487
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: a great song. And it's shot that morning to number

488
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: two on iTunes, and again I went, oh wow, Like

489
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: people really are showing me what they like. And that's

490
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: what I try to try to follow what my people

491
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: tell me they like. I try to predict trends, but

492
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: I also try to watch my people and see what

493
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: they're liking and try to give them, you know, it's

494
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: some when people know our internet, what we want to

495
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: see based on what we've seen. I mean, isn't that

496
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: how it was supposed to be? In that how radio ship?

497
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Because started? I mean, I don't really understand your business.

498
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I don't understand the podcast. Yeah,

499
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: and I play it and then I play it some more.

500
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: What my company does is they do read they go

501
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: people are complaining they really weren't to me, but so

502
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: they tested it. They didn't research on me and the

503
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: song together, and so they put it in all. What

504
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: they do is they put it on this on this computer, right,

505
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: and they say, okay, listen to the people, put headphones on,

506
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: and they tell us your reaction. And I'm talking about

507
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: the song and like three different breaks on the earth

508
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: through three days. And you can have a knob and

509
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: you turn the knob down if you don't like it,

510
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: you turn it up if you do like it. And

511
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: so the researchers all over the place, and but it

512
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: consistently at the end was up after I kind of

513
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: told the story, and so they're like, hey, you know,

514
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: you do you you know which was They've been able

515
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: to tell me that a lot over the years. I've

516
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: messed up a lot, but pretty good batting average, and

517
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: I said, I really believe in this song. Well then

518
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: Emily Are from the Washington Post called me and said, hey,

519
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: I'm but you know what's happening. She was listening to

520
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: the show and Kimberly and Karen were in, just those two,

521
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, why isn't we playing this song?

522
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: He was pissing me off? And so she heard that segment.

523
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: Did the story in the Washington Post interviewed me for it.

524
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: I asked her, don't put me up front, because I

525
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: don't want this story to be about me, and she

526
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: started with a DJ like Iowa or something in the

527
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: story and boom, controversy like crazy, and it's the greatest thing.

528
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: If there's nothing illegal, it's the controversy is the greatest.

529
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: It is. So you gotta tell me. When this song

530
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: first starts, you know, I'm playing it a little bit.

531
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: You know that You're like, I wonder what's happening here? Right?

532
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: Did you think there was some life maybe earlier than

533
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: they had said. Yeah, we were really we were excited

534
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: and what was weird was that that that happened and

535
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: you were playing it and then a couple of people

536
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: called to do articles on the record, but they wanted

537
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: to just they just wanted to talk about girl Crush,

538
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: and so we were like, okay, well we wrote a

539
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: cool song, and like you know, Shane mcinally was texting

540
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: and going, oh my god, this song and we had

541
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: other writers and and that's the other thing. When you

542
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: when your peers start texting you and talking about telling

543
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: you how great your song is, you go okay. So

544
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: we just thought we had a cool song that would

545
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: never be a single. Um, but we were happy with

546
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: the cut. We were blown away with the cut. You know,

547
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: we didn't uh you know, it was we just couldn't

548
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: believe what a great job they did on it. So

549
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: when the controversy thing came up, we were like, what, well,

550
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: we never even we never even had time to think

551
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: like that. So it kind of it was that was

552
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of a moment where we thought, okay, it's over.

553
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: Was there ever a point, yeah, where you're like, oh,

554
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: this is is so not good, it's going to kill anything? Really? Yes, yeah,

555
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: we all we all got on the phone. We were

556
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: like and I think we even got on the phone

557
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: with Karen and we were like panicked. You know because

558
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: you think. Yeah, when they finally decided to make it

559
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: a single, we were like, yeah, this is so cool.

560
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: And then it was like, okay, it's gonna be one

561
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: of those that dies in the fifties and yeah that

562
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: was you know, good try. But so it was amazing

563
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: to see what it did and it gave up oh

564
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: and a bit. It was me being obnoxious, but mostly

565
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: with me believing that the song was fantastic. It was perfect,

566
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: even a perfect storm for me, because again there was

567
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't have this you know, amazing uh song predicting machine.

568
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: To me, I miss some, but I always like to

569
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: take out and you know, take risks on songs that

570
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I love and artists that I love. But as that song, it,

571
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: it did almost die in the forties because no one

572
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: will play it, no one would touch it, and it

573
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: just kept getting researched. It kept getting this this razy research.

574
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: It's never accurate, but it's still used and they just

575
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: kept testing it and then it just started to trickle.

576
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: But what was happening whilt people were buying it. And

577
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: this is before the streaming really took over. People were

578
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: buying it like crazy. So any station that wasn't really

579
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: playing it. There was a story of consumption. So the

580
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: label could go, you go, hey, look at look at

581
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: your area, because we can see based on regions, who's streaming,

582
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: who's buying what. Yeah, it's broken down to that. You go, oh, well,

583
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: let me look in your town, right, And they could

584
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: go to these markets and go, well, in Austin texts,

585
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: it's the number one downloaded song, how are you not

586
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: playing it? So that was really the story of how

587
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: that song went from the forties to get him back

588
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: on the map. And it's just so amazing, and it

589
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: goes back to it takes a village, right, so amazing

590
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: how many people worked on that song. And if I remember,

591
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: because I mean I felt like a good few months

592
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: of my life was in and around that song. And

593
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: I even tried to get away from it. And I

594
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: remember telling Karen and Camberly like, don't don't talk about

595
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: me anymore about the song because you have other radio

596
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: companies go oh, if it's if Bobby was inn on

597
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: this song, Earlly, I don't want any to do with it.

598
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: So I said, hey, you don't feel like you owe

599
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: me anything, just you don't even know me right now,

600
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: So going and push the song, and as it started

601
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: to climb, you know, top fifteen, top ten, it was

602
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: such a monster that it was undeniable. It was such

603
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: a monster. And then they were in and I said, hey,

604
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: what's that? Did you guys write this as before I

605
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: write with Karen? Is that what happened? Yeah? Yeah, we

606
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: wrote it that morning. Um uh, it was early and

607
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Laurie said, hey, I got a song idea I want

608
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: to write. I want to write girl crush. And I

609
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: was like, no, we're not writing girl crush. It sounds

610
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: that sounds like we'd really had to think of. We

611
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: don't have very much time. Laura's going, no, no, no, no,

612
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you know that hashtag we see

613
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: girl crush. I mean, come on, we could write it

614
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: would be really cool. And and as I'm telling her, no, Laurie,

615
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: that sounds like we don't have time to really because

616
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: it does sound like an idea that you really got

617
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: to think about. And really I didn't want to write

618
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: a guy song, you know. And so in the meantime,

619
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: Hillary came in and Laurie said, and I know you've

620
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: heard this story, LORI said, Hillary, I want to write

621
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: a song called girl Crush, And Hillary literally sat down

622
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: with the guitar and saying the first four lines of

623
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: the song, and we both jumped on the couch and went, yes,

624
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: let's write that. That's exactly where. And I can remember

625
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: we were talking so fast and and it's about the

626
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: girl and she wants you know, she's got a crush

627
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: on the girl, but not really because she wants the

628
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: guy and she can't have the guy. So she's talking

629
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: about what, you know, wanting to be that girl, and

630
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: we're I mean it. It happened so fast that I

631
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: can remember we were just throwing things back and forth

632
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: to get it written, and we wrote it in probably

633
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: hour and a half two hours, which is crazy fast

634
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: for a song. So you gotta tell me about this

635
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: love Junkie, because I know you three, but I don't

636
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: really know about how you guys started and where when

637
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: the name happened? Like, were you three just randomly friends

638
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and wrote together? Did you decide you gonna be the wrong?

639
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: LORI and I had written for years and and I

640
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: had never written with Hillary? Um is that right? Had I?

641
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: I may have written with Hillary a couple of times,

642
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: but they were trying to get Laurie and Hillary together

643
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: and get more dates with me and Hillary. So somebody

644
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: and I think it was Scott and Daniel and I

645
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: think it was all the publishers got together and said,

646
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: what if we put Hillary and Lorie and Liz together.

647
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: Let's put them together right for a day. So we

648
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: got together and that day we wrote Sober and we

649
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: wrote Savior Sin Sober and Savior Sin from a Little

650
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: Big Town. And I think we were talking about um

651
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: a line in the song, and we were going, oh,

652
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: we're just you know, we're just a bunch of love junkies.

653
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's our name, love junkies. We're

654
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the love chunkies, you know. And so we

655
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: just started um talking about that and we're gonna write

656
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this all the time. And then we

657
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: started this because we had two days straight that we

658
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: were writing together. And then we decided that they would

659
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: come and stay with me and we'd slumber party and

660
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: right for three days like a camp. Yeah, because Hillary's

661
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: in town, Lori's in Boston, and you're here, and so

662
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: I guess lord Lorie has to come to town. Do

663
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you guys ever go Because a lot of my friends

664
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: go up to Lorie's place in Boston right at her house.

665
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Does did the Love Jackie's ever convene at Lori's or

666
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: do you have your own same place? We've talked about it,

667
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: but Hillary has a you know, a baby, she's got

668
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: a little one, so and and Lorie has a lot

669
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: of them. So um, it's just it just works better

670
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: at my house and and we just you know, it's

671
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: worked so far, so we just decided not to mess

672
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: with it back And just one final thought on on

673
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: Girl Crushes that as it was all happening and I'm

674
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: watching things start to bubble good And depending on what

675
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: you think is bad, I think controversies awesome. If no

676
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: one's getting hurt, Like I love controversy, you might think

677
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: that I do. It's as long as long as no

678
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: one's getting hurt there's something illegal happening. Yeah, I love

679
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: the controversy. So I'm staring at it, going this may

680
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: actually lift. This song is is people knowing about it

681
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: and then buying it, and they kimberly caring to come

682
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: in and give me, give me a Girl Crush hat.

683
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, this is cool where they have

684
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: And then I saw christ Apleton wearing the hat it

685
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: is kids. The kids, yeah, And I thought, okay, now

686
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: it's artists cool, so it's gonna be cool for everybody else.

687
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: Got drips down, you know, the artists go, this is cool,

688
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: and then we would look at it old the artists

689
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: is cool, and then it drips down to our people.

690
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: So I thought when christ Apleton was wearing that hadn't

691
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: a picture, I thought, Okay, they got it. At least

692
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: they've got a real shot and making this a big

693
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: old hit. Now that that's that was cool, that this

694
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: town really I got behind it. I do have a

695
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: plaque over there too, that girl crush when whenever it

696
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: hit half a million and then it's hit way beyond

697
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: that then, but I don't I don't have any plaques.

698
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: I have five total, and in the room I have

699
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: Kelsey's number one, because you know Kelsey and my relationship earlier.

700
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: We we took it on our first tour. You know,

701
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: I I love me like you mean. It was kind

702
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: of a girl crushed project to me too. I just

703
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: thought it was there and so I kept and then

704
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: Scottie mccriss five more minutes. He didn't have a record deal,

705
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: and so before the song was even released to started

706
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: playing it, it got him a record deal, then it

707
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: became a number one. So I think I have three

708
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: plaques in here. I think I have christ Jansen somewhere else.

709
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's one of the songs that I really

710
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: am proud that I could just be a part of.

711
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: And what's so amazing is that all of that is

712
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: based on you being a champion of a song. It's

713
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: not you know what I mean. I mean that's pretty amazing.

714
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I miss but I don't

715
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: ever miss in my heart, if that makes sense, Like

716
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: I missed because I just think, well, maybe it just

717
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: wasn't the right time for this, but I love it.

718
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: I will not also, on that same note, go to

719
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: go to bat for a song that I wanna be like,

720
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: this is my song, I need you to do me

721
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: a favor. I can't do it. I feel like no

722
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: one brought me in to be the music guy either.

723
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: So the music thing is just a passion. Yeah, I'm

724
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: brought in to be the guy that talks about interesting things,

725
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: be funny, you know, talk about the news. No one

726
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: had any interest in me breaking music ever, and so

727
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: that I'm able to do it, it's just a bonus.

728
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: I never wanted to program radio stations. I never wanted

729
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: to some of these other big platforms to say, hey,

730
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: come run the whole platform. You know, there's like to streaming,

731
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't ever want to program. I

732
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: want to be able to create and then also and

733
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: push what you support right right, It's like it's almost

734
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: like song plugging. It's like pitching songs. It's it was

735
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: always hard to pitch a song you didn't like, you know,

736
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: because you can't sit there and look at somebody oat

737
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: this is a great song. And they're genuous to yourself, like, yeah,

738
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640
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739
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,359
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740
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741
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746
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764
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: So I entered the door and I was singing cry

765
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Pretty to you because the song right now, I love it.

766
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. You brought up crazy Girl earlier

767
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: from Eli Young Dusty. So you said this one was

768
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: at the start of the next chapter for you and

769
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: why so well, you just you know when you win.

770
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean the Taylor stuff was so good and it

771
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: was I got so lucky, and you know, we when

772
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: you're sitting at the Grammys and you know, you win

773
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: a Grammy and you went, you know, you're like going, okay,

774
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: well that was fun. That was over. Um, you know,

775
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: and it's hard to it's it's it's hard. It's hard

776
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: to get a hit, and then it's hard to get

777
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: a nomination because there's so many great songs, you know.

778
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: So suddenly this five year old song was a hit.

779
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean this one here. Yeah that it took that long,

780
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: huh yeah. And we uh we wrote it for Lee.

781
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: I thought were writing it for Lee. Bryce, me and Lee.

782
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: I wrote with Lee and I thought we were writing

783
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: it for Lee, and then um, his song comes out.

784
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: Um crazy helped me. It's another crazy song. Uh oh

785
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: brain sorry. Um. So I was like, well, he's never

786
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: gonna cut that. But this new band, Eli young band

787
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: wanted it, and and Lee was holding onto it, and

788
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: then I think they kept asking and he finally was like, yeah, cool,

789
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: y'all go cut it. And you know, we had no idea.

790
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: We had absolutely no idea. I would never ask you

791
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: to name a name, nor am I here. But here's

792
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: the situation. You have a song crazy girl esque and

793
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: the artist comes along and you're like, I just this

794
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: song is too good. Oh no, I would never do that.

795
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't do that. Do people that I don't know?

796
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: But I don't do that. I look, A cut is

797
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: a miracle. And I can remember writers that were not

798
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: very happy about this band called the Dixie Chicks when

799
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: they started cutting songs in town. And I saw how

800
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: that happened, and just how, you know, I just I

801
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: was I was working for people that were like, you know, yeah, spanned,

802
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: these girls called the Dixie Chicks have my song on,

803
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, hold, and I don't know. And so I

804
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: kind of learned from that. I learned from watching other writers,

805
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, because you write a song and sometimes you think, well,

806
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: a lot of writers think that it should go to

807
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: the top and first, and pluggers think that, and publishers

808
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: think that, and that's the right way to think. I

809
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: can't afford to think that way. And I if they're

810
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: if they're talking like that, I let them go do it.

811
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: But I don't cast songs as a writer. I just

812
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: I write it and I send it out into the world,

813
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: and whatever happens happens. I mean half the time I

814
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: don't even know song has been cut. Is that rights?

815
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: It's sometimes you just get a song produced and it's like, hey,

816
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: we cut your song. Yeah I don't. I mean it's

817
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: crazy and and and as a publisher, I don't always

818
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: know all our songs that are getting cut. They have

819
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: to tell me. Um one was playing the other night

820
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: and somebody said, what do you think about your so

821
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: and so cut? And I was like, oh, is that ours?

822
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm just busy. I'm busy. I have a life, and

823
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm trying to keep up with all

824
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: our writers and luckily they're all getting cut. So it's

825
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, and stuff that's not out or it just

826
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: came out last week. But so, um, a song you're

827
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: talking about specifically, I do you want to tell us?

828
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: Or no, I can't remember what it was. It's interesting

829
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: cause you have a publishing company and I wouldn't have

830
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: known what that was until recently. So you pay writers

831
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: to write songs, hoping that those songs will make you

832
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: more money than what you're paying the writers. It's a business.

833
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: So what who writes for you? And how many writers

834
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: you have? I have Emily Shackleton, who just wrote who

835
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: wrote every little Thing with Carly and Buzzby? Um? I had,

836
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: and she's been with me seven years since we started.

837
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: So that's your song. I'm talking about Carly in that song?

838
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Is that your every little thing? Yeaheah? I mean that's

839
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: about the dude dudes in town somewhere. Yes, yeah, I

840
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know who he is. No, no, no,

841
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. Um. Let's see Phil Barton, the

842
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: fabulous Phil Barton and what we wrote a kids song together?

843
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: What's my favorite song? When when I grow up? Bucking me?

844
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: What it's crazy about that song is I wrote probably

845
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: a third of that in my sleep, and I still

846
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: have the voice, Mamma. I woke up and I was like,

847
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: because I want to I want to do a kid's record.

848
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: I want to inspire kids. I want to be inspirational, motivational.

849
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: And I took my phone out. I don't know how

850
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: to write. I mean really, I just they just say

851
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: things and write things down, but I don't know how

852
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: to write. And I took my phone out and I

853
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: went boop and I had to record, and I was like,

854
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: I want to be a fire man. And I hit

855
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: it and I sent Eric Passley a text. I said, Eric,

856
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: who's a friend of mine, dear friend, so would you

857
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: would you write this song with me? I'm doing a

858
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: kids record. I was like, yeah, he goes. I want

859
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: to bring this guy along. So who is that? He goes?

860
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: You will love him. He's like from another country in Australia.

861
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: She said. He used to do Thomas to Tank songs

862
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: on Thomas the Tank Tour. That's all right, so me

863
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: him and Phil Barton wrote when I grew up and

864
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: I play, I still we play. I'm so jealous. I

865
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: make Phil play at every show he does. And people

866
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: send me tweets all the time They're like, this dude's

867
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: playing your song. I was like, that dude wrote the

868
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: song with me. I know, I sing along and we oh,

869
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: it's so much fun. I love that song so much

870
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: and feels great. He's fantastic and he gets a lot

871
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: of Canadian cut. He gets a ton of Canadian cuts,

872
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: a ton of Canadian singles. Is that just an area

873
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: that he's kind of weighted in and he knows the

874
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: people to work with to get that like cornered that market.

875
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's yeah, but it's really amazing. They just

876
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: he just he's like me, he says yes, and he

877
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: got on this Canadian thing where he said yes. And

878
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: every time an artist comes to town, if you know,

879
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: Phil has to write at eight o'clock at night or

880
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: a Saturday or Sunday, he's there and so, um, you

881
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: know that's why that's working for him. Um. So he's

882
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: doing great. He's been with us forever. Um Emily Phil,

883
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: Emily Phil Cameron Bedell who's fantastic and fairly new but

884
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: doing really well. He got a couple of cuts, I

885
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: think a couple of weeks ago. Um, just you know,

886
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: new acts and which is and you just kind of

887
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: have to wait and see if it's going to come

888
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: out and what's gonna happen. Um My praying with Seth Ennis.

889
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: Seth has a new songing out. So but how what's

890
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: you guys a relationship where his publisher we're a covid

891
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: or with Warner chapell Um. Seth is our boy. Yeah,

892
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: because you're like, hey, you should listen to set And

893
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: I had Seth actually for the first time this last weekend.

894
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: He was playing outfield for I've never been him before.

895
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know Seth. No, I don't, I don't know,

896
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody. He is the nicest kid in

897
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 1: the whole. I mean, I don't know Seth do we haven't.

898
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: I have to ask Mike if I know. Having come

899
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: talk about call your mama because it is. Um that

900
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: song is killer, so great. You have all these writers

901
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: that write for you and has that a lucrative business?

902
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: I hope? So? Yeah? Okay, Um, I mean we're new,

903
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: we're new. We're doing okay though. Everybody you know. Seth

904
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: has a new song out, and and Phil's doing really well,

905
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: and and Emily's doing really well. And um, what are

906
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Middleton? Do you know Jeff Middleton? He was in

907
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: the Dirt Drifters? Do you remember the Dirt Okay? Well,

908
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Jeff wrote with us for a while, and um, he's

909
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: not with us anymore, but we're very close to him.

910
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: We're very good friends. He has a new Jason L.

911
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: Dean single, Is that right? Yeah? So that's ours? So

912
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: what yours? You have? Drown's Whiskey? That's your song? Oh?

913
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: You get me printing money with that one? Hey? Look,

914
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like turn the money machine on folks.

915
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: That's a good one. And UM, so we had Jeff

916
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: Middleton's we have his catalog. Um we have a Dutch

917
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: um female producer named Fimke who is amazing. Um, I

918
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: don't even want to use you anymore, cutting you off

919
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: on purpose. So anybody she didn't say, it's because I stopped.

920
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: You wrote God Made Girls with ray Lynn and someone

921
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: who I really likes, Nicole Gallagan, like she's just I'm

922
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: like ray Lyn too. But as a right Nichol has

923
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: done this before. Um something that when Weird Al parodies you,

924
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: because I was looking at some of the Weird Al

925
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: period parody one of the Tailor song, that's the story

926
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: that kind of feature of your flay behind it. Thank

927
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: you when you didn't know the song. I think I

928
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: got an email that he was going to do it.

929
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: So he didn't ask you because I think he did.

930
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did. I'm sure I got something. They

931
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: just nobody tells me. I do remember this. It was

932
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: a long time ago. It was I'm a big weird

933
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: Alf fan because when I was a kid, I was

934
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: listening to all the Weird Al and that was a

935
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: big inspiration for me. I do a lot of some parodies.

936
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: But as I was going through it was like, oh, weird,

937
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: al did I did the list song? I thought that,

938
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: But you don't do you't make any money off that?

939
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. You don't know. You don't know. I

940
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: don't I don't pay attention to that. I just have

941
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: a good business manager. Yeah, I have a great business manager.

942
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: I have a great business manager. Isn't it crazy? I mean,

943
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, it comes in and I put it into

944
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: the publishing company, so you know that's I just I

945
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: just keep going. Can I, you know, go to Nordstrom

946
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: a couple of times a month? You know, I just

947
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: wait until he tell me, Now, how do you feel

948
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: about the female stuff happening right now? Uh? As in,

949
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I asked, that's that's so broad, because

950
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see where you go. I think

951
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: I don't I Well, first of all, I'm older, so

952
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm realistic, and I've been through a lot. I've been

953
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: through a lot in my life, and so I'm probably

954
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, put on your big girl pants. Girl. Um,

955
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: I do like some of the things that are changing

956
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: and happening. And then when you go to the music

957
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: business side. Um, I think there's some great females out there.

958
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: I think that female we can't get away with following

959
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: each other. Females can't get away with copying what's hot.

960
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: They have to be a better than the boys and

961
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: they have to be more uh uh, what's the word different? Whatever?

962
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: You know? Um, you can't put out a bunch of

963
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: females that are alike that follow each other. It just

964
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And I don't know why. Is it a

965
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: bit unfair that all the dudes sound the same? It

966
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's unfair. It just

967
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: means you have to be better. It means you have

968
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: to invent yourself and and you have to you have

969
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: to follow your own path. Taylor followed her own path.

970
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: You know, everybody thought it was gonna be like lean rhyme,

971
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: So it wasn't. She followed her own path. Marin follows

972
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: her own path, Casey follows her own path. Um, you know,

973
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: little Big Town sticks to their path. Carrie has her lane,

974
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: Miranda has her lane. I mean, I think you have

975
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: to do that. And UM, I don't think it's anything

976
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: that that you can I don't think it's fair unfair.

977
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: You either strike accord with someone and they go, Okay,

978
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: you know we can make this, we can give this

979
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: a shot, or you just don't. I mean, I don't know.

980
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: You know. I work with a couple of female artists

981
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: and it's frustrating, but you just I just I. I

982
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: came back with our songs have to be better. The

983
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: music has to be better, and when it's better, you'll

984
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: get your shot. I don't think it's fair that it

985
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: can't be equally as good to get the same results. Now,

986
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't think just in music. I'm talking about the world, right,

987
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: it's right. Right now, you're talking about a culture problem

988
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: from the beginning, where a man and a woman are

989
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: doing the same job and a man is making a

990
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: dollar and one's making seventy cents, and that's not fair.

991
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: And it's what's happening right now. All things are equal,

992
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: it's it's going to the mail, right. But it's always

993
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: been that way, and that doesn't make it right. It

994
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: doesn't make it right. So looking at it, you go,

995
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: I understand why, which is what you're saying, Like, this

996
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: is the environment that I'm in and how I'm going

997
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: to work in it. I look at it and go, well,

998
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: maybe I can help change the culture for three, seven

999
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: eleven years from now. I'll tell you something to happen

1000
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: without saying a name, because it's a it's a really

1001
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: dicey thing for me to have to have stepped out

1002
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: in publicly said Okay, I'm gonna try to help change

1003
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: the culture of females. And I think that's fantastic. Well,

1004
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: it comes with a lot of people upset behind the

1005
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: scenes too. So there was a there's a female artist. Um,

1006
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: it's no one I've dated. I just want to say

1007
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: that question. But someone I know and as female artist,

1008
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: sent a song to one of whatever whatever gatekeeper is,

1009
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, someone who runs one of the big either

1010
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: radio companies or streaming platforms or satellite. They are all

1011
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: these different different entities. They're like five of them, right,

1012
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: there's like a gatekeeper with each of them. And so

1013
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: she sent one of I saw him to the one

1014
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: of the gatekeepers and she said, hey, are you going

1015
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: to do do this song? What do you think about it?

1016
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, you're a female, don't just have

1017
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: Bobby play it? And I have the text message because

1018
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: she's screenshot and sent it to me and she said, hey, listen,

1019
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: I think what you're doing is awesome, but now people

1020
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: are whole ding it against us in other areas. So

1021
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: it makes me not want to do anything like That's

1022
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: that's the problem for me, is like I'm trying to help,

1023
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: but then I see sometimes my what I try to

1024
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: do actually affects things in a negative way. Yeah, but

1025
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: you gotta just keep doing what you're doing. That's just

1026
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: one person, but it's a big one. It's a big person.

1027
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: It's someone that you would go, oh my god, like

1028
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: that's who's running this thing, and it would really refresh everybody.

1029
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: And it's almost to the point where I would just

1030
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: go and post it online and be like here it is.

1031
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: But then I'm trying to get in the programming race

1032
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: horse business, Like I'm not trying to outprogram people. So

1033
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: that's frustrating when I see that happening to female artists

1034
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: just because they're female, and that's crazy, and it makes

1035
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: me not want to do as much because I don't

1036
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: want to hurt anybody. Yeah, but you gotta stick. I mean,

1037
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: you're doing stuff for guys too, you know, So I

1038
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: don't have to be as obnoxious though, because I can

1039
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: just go here's a good song with females have to go,

1040
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: here's a good song and you need to pay extra

1041
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: attention to it and not be a douche. But you

1042
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: male pds who are scared too. It's just that. So

1043
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: did you play the song? She sent it to him.

1044
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: I've never heard the song. It's a new song that

1045
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: she's like, Hey, she sent it to this guy, this

1046
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: head whatever to listen to to give feedback. I still

1047
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: have never heard the song, but she wanted to. She's awesome.

1048
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, she's okay. I'm no, no no, no, you don't

1049
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: have to. I'm just saying she just she did that

1050
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: and then she didn't even she just showed it to

1051
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: you and said, look what happened. Listen to this story.

1052
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: So my ex girlfriend is Lindsay, right, and we broke

1053
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: up because everyone was like, hey, we're not gonna play her.

1054
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: She's dating Bobby. We can't have her be a success

1055
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: because it raises his profile. Isn't it crazy that it's

1056
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: wrong with these people? So our relationship ends six months ago, right,

1057
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: we're still friends. Um, it's a little sensitive at times

1058
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: with us because we never were planning to break up,

1059
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: never wanted to do. Nothing bad happened between us, but

1060
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: we can't date. We've absolutely put a line that we're

1061
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: never gonna date again. That's just how it goes because

1062
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: she needs her she wants her career. But that that's

1063
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: why we stopped dating. So but isn't that absurd that

1064
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: she has to do that, that you have to do that?

1065
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: Level one absolutely, Level two I talked to I talked

1066
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: to her once a week or so still, and so

1067
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: she called me and she said, hey, am I gonna

1068
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: say a namous but she goes. They asked if we

1069
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: were still dating, and I was like, why would they

1070
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: even care? First of all, they shouldn't care to begin with. Secondly,

1071
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: they cared if we're she wasn't. They don't know if

1072
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: we were secretly dating, so they can punish you again.

1073
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: It's just not fair because the dude wouldn't have to

1074
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: go Guys don't have to go through it. It's amazing

1075
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: what guys get away with. And I think dating Lindsay

1076
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: showed me from a bit more the inside what what

1077
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: the female struggle is. And I'm very thankful for that relationship,

1078
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: if anything, for that part of it, because I was

1079
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: able to see through her day to day that it's

1080
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: a whole different ballgame for females. Yeah, it's it's I've

1081
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: had people ask me, um, I mean when when you're

1082
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: working with a female arts the first thing they say,

1083
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: as well, we got too many girls over here or

1084
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, and you go, Okay, well this one's gonna

1085
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: be different and better and that's cool, you know. And

1086
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: and I've have people ask me that asked me, you

1087
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: know what, uh what job do you think? What? What is?

1088
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: What have men kept you from doing in this business?

1089
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: And honestly, I can say nothing that I know of,

1090
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, because I never looked at it as male

1091
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: or female. The things that you know, the jobs I did,

1092
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: I just did them, you know. Um, but I see

1093
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: the struggle for female producers. Um, even less than songwriters

1094
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: are the number of female producers. Yeah, well it's going

1095
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: to change. It's it's it's changing. I think it's I

1096
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: really think it's going to change. And don't you think

1097
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: of it. I just go to the culture all the

1098
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: time that it's a lot of times it's little girls

1099
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: not being told that these are options for you and

1100
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: not assumed that the young girls are wanting to get

1101
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: into music business. Same thing with astronauts. I was reading

1102
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: a story about how you know, you go to Walmart

1103
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: and the boys section and all these NASSA shirts, they're

1104
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: none of the girls sections. That's culture. That's what we're seeing.

1105
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: And even though someone's not going specifically to you, going hey,

1106
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: you can be an astronaut, it's also not being put

1107
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: in front of you equally as it is. Yeah, that's true.

1108
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: So that's always mine. Like I'll try to affect the

1109
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: culture because I'm not gonna affect tomorrow. I can't, you know,

1110
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us can really affect tomorrow. No, no,

1111
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: but but you know, I think so much is happening

1112
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: now that you know it. Maybe my grandkids won't it

1113
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: won't be as hard, and it won't be I mean,

1114
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: we've seen it get better until the world ends, I mean,

1115
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: and it could be in the nex hundred years for sure.

1116
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's changed dramatically, but it you know, it

1117
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: takes one person like you in your job. If if

1118
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: one person does it in each job, you know, um,

1119
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: it'll start changing. If you don't, if you don't, go, well,

1120
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do about it, you know, but

1121
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: you're doing something, you know, so I I guess that's

1122
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's just hiring more girls

1123
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: make sure they get paid properly like the boys. It's

1124
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: also a common sense thing. My staff. I have eight

1125
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: people on my staff for them or emails. I wished

1126
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: seven of them more emails. There's so much smarter. It

1127
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: worked better, no offense. I'm just saying all that aside,

1128
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: all the equality equality like that. By the way, they'll

1129
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: just go. They'll do any job. By the way, they don't.

1130
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: They never go. Well, that's not my job. Well, so

1131
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: in my radio studio, I have your your record Swimming Alone.

1132
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: That so tell me because again you I have never

1133
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: heard you defining yourself as if just a pure listen

1134
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: to listen to me be an artist. Yeah, because I'm not.

1135
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: So you created this record, So tell me about this. Well,

1136
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: I over over the last maybe four years. I started

1137
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: four years ago. I started coming up with these titles,

1138
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: and when I would try to think about writing them,

1139
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it with co writers. I couldn't do

1140
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: it and write them to be pitched. And the first

1141
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: one I came up with was Swimming Alone. And and

1142
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: any time I would think about writing it, I would like.

1143
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: I would like, I've got to write that's my life.

1144
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: I gotta write my story. And uh, my my daughter

1145
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: Caitlin Rose, who's a singer songwriter, said let's let's write that.

1146
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: You need to write that that's your story because my

1147
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: mom used to say that they couldn't find me when

1148
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: I was two and I was out in the backyard

1149
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: swimming alone. And then when Mother's Day, I was living

1150
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: in Dallas and none of my kids was like one

1151
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: thirty and none of my kids would call me yet,

1152
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: and so I was just out in the pool, floating

1153
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: around by myself. And when my daughter Caitlyn called, I

1154
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: was complaining. I was like, nobody called me. I just

1155
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: out there swimming alone. She becaues, Mom, you need to

1156
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: write that song. Go ahead and write that song. So

1157
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: that's what started it. And then I had these you know,

1158
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: these I kind of dug into my my life. I

1159
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: had never done that writing songs. I had already always

1160
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: written somebody else's story. Um, so it was really fun

1161
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: to write yellow Room and that can't call you what

1162
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: you have to like? I see you getting at emotional

1163
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: over there, Well it's about my dad. I thought you

1164
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: were swatting a fly at first, that's about my dad,

1165
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: so still personal. Huh, I still hear it, it's still

1166
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: it feels fresh. Yeah, because I don't listen to these.

1167
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't listen to these very often. Um so, but

1168
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: that was you know, those those are my life, that

1169
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: all those songs are my life. I wrote that with

1170
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: Natalie Himby and Caitlin Smith and Lorie helped me finish

1171
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Swimming Alone, and my brother was on it, so it

1172
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: was fun. It was fun to just dig through and

1173
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: write them. And then you know, I have five brothers

1174
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: and sisters and and my mom, so then I had

1175
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: to go play it for them and and see what

1176
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: they had to say about it, and uh and and unknowingly,

1177
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: the first song I wrote for it was Sacred Ground

1178
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: with the love Junkies. Swimming Alone. Feel a bit more

1179
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: vulnerable putting out a record yourself, Yeah, it was, but

1180
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't you know. First of all that

1181
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: mc mcinally said I want to produce this. A second

1182
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: of all that that people like Jody Williams and and

1183
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: and and Mac and and my kids said go ahead

1184
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: and write it. And then I was going to have

1185
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: Lori and Natalie and Hillary and all of them sing it,

1186
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: and Mac went, uh, these are your songs. You don't

1187
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: have to be the best singer of the world go

1188
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: singing songs. So that was kind of that was scary. Um.

1189
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: And then I just didn't I didn't really go for

1190
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: the you know, I just really kind of did it

1191
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: for myself. And I do it, you know, I have

1192
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: it at shows sometimes. And I felt really good. It

1193
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: felt really good, and I felt like I wrote everything

1194
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to write and probably will never do it

1195
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: again because I I got who knows, who knows, but

1196
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: I got to write all the songs I wanted to write.

1197
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: It was fun and tell the stories. Plugger Publisher, number

1198
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: one writer, Grammy Winner. And I was too scared to

1199
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: invite you up. I thought, you say no, and I'm

1200
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: so and and and just all honesty. We're booked out

1201
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: for a long time in this show, right, I mean

1202
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: people where we had to beg people at first to

1203
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: do this. Now it's I'm proud of it because people

1204
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: are going, hey, can I get in, and we're like

1205
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: seven weeks out. We're like, yes, we'll get you on

1206
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: December of two. You know, so you literally asked me

1207
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: on Saturday and you're here on Wednesday now, Like, even

1208
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: if you don't know, that's the amount of respect and

1209
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: admiration that I have for what you do. I love

1210
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: you how kind you've been to me when you didn't

1211
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: have to be. I'm trouble sometimes, you know, and so yeah,

1212
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you, I love you well, thank you,

1213
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: and and tell tell the whole world that's the Hello.

1214
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: May I should get set up here sometime, you should?

1215
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: You know. Seth also has a Top twenty with UM

1216
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: with hooked set Yeah, Seth will set Seth Road. It

1217
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? Like why don't you buy that money machine?

1218
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: Is it print all the time? And I'll tell you.

1219
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say this that my most

1220
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: proudest moment of anything I've ever done will be this

1221
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: year at the bm My Awards to get on stage

1222
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: to Whatnot and watch Emily Shackleton get her first being

1223
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: my award. That's what you do it for. That's why

1224
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm you know, that's probably why I was a writer.

1225
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: That's why I'm a publisher. So that's going to be

1226
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Well, I think we've said all the things

1227
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: we've done an hour we did awesome I could sit

1228
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: here with you, like for two days and talk. It's

1229
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: interesting episode from Liz Rose. Have a really inspirational story,

1230
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: and I like your method you just and maybe because

1231
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 1: I adhere to the similar method just put one ft

1232
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: in front of the other. Well, I love that. I

1233
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: love just just go. It's the falling up mentality. And

1234
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: sometimes things are gonna work right. But you know what,

1235
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: when it doesn't work a rout, you're gonna learn a

1236
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: lot from why it didn't work right, and then you

1237
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: can put that into the basket and when it does

1238
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: work right. So yeah, I admire that. Liz Rose. Thank you, Liz,

1239
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bobby