Speaker 1: Look out, it's only films to be Buried with the Resurrection. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried with the Resurrection.
Speaker 1: My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a director, a fisherman, and I love films.
Speaker 1: As Doctor Jews famously once said, think left, think right,
Speaker 1: think low, think high. Oh the things you can think
Speaker 1: if you only try. Imagine coming up with troubling bonus
Speaker 1: worrying widnes. What kind of thinking? With thinking? Come up
Speaker 1: with that? Very good point, doctor Zeus, big fan of
Speaker 1: your work. Every week i'm a special guest over. I
Speaker 1: tell them they've died. Then I got them to discuss
Speaker 1: their life through the films that meant the most of them.
Speaker 1: But not this week. This week I use my newly
Speaker 1: acquired shamanic powers to bring back a former guest from
Speaker 1: the dead and ask them twelve new questions. This week
Speaker 1: it is the return of the wonderful, amazing and brilliant
Speaker 1: stand up comedian Nathaniel Metcalf. Big announcement, I'll be doing
Speaker 1: a huge live Films to be Buried With That's Films
Speaker 1: to be Buried With Live at the Hackney Empire on
Speaker 1: July second. Tickets will be going on sale from ten
Speaker 1: o'clock Friday morning. You can get them from Plosive dot
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Speaker 1: That's Films to be Buried With Live at the Hackney
Speaker 1: Empire July second. Come along, We'll have a right out time.
Speaker 1: Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com, Forward
Speaker 1: Slashback Goalsteam where you get next to twenty minutes with Nat.
Speaker 1: We go deep, we talk about favorite film music, we
Speaker 1: talk about things you can do with your parents, all sorts.
Speaker 1: You also get the whole episode uncutting as a video.
Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slashbreck
Speaker 1: Goals Team. So Nat Metcalf, the Famiel Metcalf, was on
Speaker 1: very early in Films to Gage With and it is
Speaker 1: because of him that everyone's favorite and least favorite quest
Speaker 1: in Traveling Bone is worrying why Don's exists. Was such
Speaker 1: a pleasure to get him back on the show. He's
Speaker 1: a lovely, lovely man and so funny, and I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to say that he's going back to stand up
Speaker 1: so you should all go and see him when he can.
Speaker 1: I think you're going to enjoy this one. I hope
Speaker 1: you're all very well. That's it for now. I very
Speaker 1: much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and ninety three
Speaker 1: of Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. It
Speaker 1: is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by
Speaker 1: a man who has shaped this podcast more than any other.
Speaker 1: A comedian, an actor, a writer, a presenter, a man
Speaker 1: about town, a lover, a fighter, a peacekeeper, and legend.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to this show. It's amazing. I'm blow him
Speaker 1: back from the dead. I love him. Please welcome here
Speaker 1: he is. Can you believe it? It's the Vanuel Metcalf. Hello, Wow,
Speaker 1: it's lovely to hear that I've shaped this podcast more
Speaker 1: than any other, including yourself. I'd say, oh wow. I'd
Speaker 1: say you're listen for those of you who have not
Speaker 1: listened to this podcast since episode one, and shame on
Speaker 1: you if that's you listening. Nathaniel Metcalf probably appeared episode
Speaker 1: eight early doors, before it started, before it started coming out.
Speaker 1: Really you were in the bank started off in the bank,
Speaker 1: and because of the conversation I had with Nathaniel out
Speaker 1: of that came the subcategory question troubling Bonus worrying Why
Speaker 1: does which did not exist before this? Man? I see
Speaker 1: before me. It's true, and I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: a great legacy. I had a lovely message once from
Speaker 1: someone who did your T shirts and they said, oh,
Speaker 1: because you invented troubling Bonus, do you want a T
Speaker 1: shirt that has troubling bonus on it? And I was like,
Speaker 1: thank you, but no, thank you. I don't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't walk about with a T shirt says troubling
Speaker 1: boner on it. But I think if you did, people
Speaker 1: would be like, hang on, is that you that invented
Speaker 1: the troubling bona Do you think that's what they think?
Speaker 1: I think they'd be like, that's the guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that would be their first thought. I think
Speaker 1: they would be they go, oh, this guy's got Now
Speaker 1: what they'd think was they go, this guy thinks he's
Speaker 1: got like a funny amusing T shirt. Right. There'll be
Speaker 1: some people, sure, there'll be some people that go, if
Speaker 1: they listen to the podcast, they go, yeah, hey, I
Speaker 1: know what that is. Most people will go, this guy
Speaker 1: got that T shirt in Camden next to one that
Speaker 1: add addie hash on it, and he's just got a
Speaker 1: thing on it that says troubling boner. And this guy
Speaker 1: thinks he's funny and he's got a troubling bona. And
Speaker 1: or you'll be on a train and be someone. They'll
Speaker 1: be like a mother and daughter and they'll kind of
Speaker 1: look up and they'll kind of just and she would
Speaker 1: look at me with sad eyes, and the daughter might
Speaker 1: ask what that means or something. No, the doors will
Speaker 1: point and go Nathaniel Mecca, and the mother will go,
Speaker 1: don't look at him. I once did a thing. I
Speaker 1: was once in a train and there was a mother
Speaker 1: opposite me was breastfeeding. But I'm a cool guy in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenties, so I was like, Okay, this is cool.
Speaker 1: What I need to do. I want to make her
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. So what I'm going to do is just
Speaker 1: totally just go. I'm on a train. I'm going to
Speaker 1: stare out the window and watch things come in going by,
Speaker 1: and just be like, don't worry about it. I'm cool,
Speaker 1: I'm chilled out. And I probably actually wasn't that chilled
Speaker 1: out about it. I was just gonna go and just
Speaker 1: stare out of the window and concentrate on that. So
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not sweating. Yeah, so if I just thought
Speaker 1: that would be it, I'll just do it and try
Speaker 1: and make people feel unco I mean, I'm sure she
Speaker 1: was totally comfortable. Why she wouldn't have done it? Of course,
Speaker 1: I immediately go, right, I've got to make an effort
Speaker 1: to be totally chilled out about this. So I stared
Speaker 1: out the window and I was really pleased with myself.
Speaker 1: And as we kind of approach London Bridge station, I
Speaker 1: realized that we went through a tunnel, so I went
Speaker 1: a bit dark, and then I could see her in
Speaker 1: the reflection, and I went, oh, my god, does it
Speaker 1: look like I was just thinking reflection all the times
Speaker 1: I was intensely staring at the reflection of a woman
Speaker 1: breastfeeding and maybe none of those things. Did you make
Speaker 1: eye contact with her through the window? Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: just something we go finish. Oh no, so proud of you,
Speaker 1: So proud of you. Now the Fani makecuff. I ain't
Speaker 1: seen you in about a year, and that upsets me.
Speaker 1: But but something I saw that made me really excited.
Speaker 1: Looks like someone's coming back to do a stand up show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, true, and really is coming back. But like
Speaker 1: I've I don't you know, I'm trying to let myself
Speaker 1: off the hook and not let myself off the hook
Speaker 1: in that I'm writing it, and I'm you know, if
Speaker 1: worse comes to worse, I can I can get a
Speaker 1: guest on to try and fill some time. But also
Speaker 1: I mean, essentially I've come back to stand up. Have
Speaker 1: you not done it either? I did, like in during
Speaker 1: the whole pandemic, I did some zoom gigs and I
Speaker 1: didn't like them. And then when they started coming back,
Speaker 1: I was like, I had some writing work and I
Speaker 1: was furloughed from my other job, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll be all right. And I felt bad because I
Speaker 1: knew there was people that hadn't been earning money, and
Speaker 1: I thought, well, other people should that need the money,
Speaker 1: should do the gigs right now if there's only a
Speaker 1: few gigs. And then I just drifted and I'd sort
Speaker 1: of got to this point where I wasn't doing stand
Speaker 1: up and I was going have I stopped? Have I stopped?
Speaker 1: Have I stopped? And then I had this thing that
Speaker 1: I realized that I started getting insanely jealous of other
Speaker 1: comedians like regular comedians. That's when you realize he was
Speaker 1: still a comedian. Yeah, but I didn't used to it.
Speaker 1: But I didn't used to you. I used to be
Speaker 1: really pleased for everyone's successes. People like, yeah, I'm furious
Speaker 1: at you, but like you know what I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: genuinely always really happy for people. And then you start
Speaker 1: seeing generally. I think what I was annoyed at was
Speaker 1: there's people doing it, and I was going, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sort of not doing it, am I. So I've kind
Speaker 1: of booked this to kind of make me do it essentially,
Speaker 1: and to try and rate something. Have you had a
Speaker 1: gig yet? No, Save the gig for the save your
Speaker 1: first gig for the big show. Well that's what part
Speaker 1: of me is tempted to. But then also another part
Speaker 1: of me is having night mets. We don't do that then,
Speaker 1: So I've got a kind of but always I've got
Speaker 1: no idea. So I'm not someone who's got like really
Speaker 1: funny lockdown stuff or like it's like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what did I do. It's like I've done nothing, and
Speaker 1: I've turned off all my stand up receptors that make
Speaker 1: me notice things and go, oh, that's a thing. That
Speaker 1: it's like I don't notice things anymore. I'm just I
Speaker 1: don't I noticed them in a like a way that
Speaker 1: normal people do. I notice something, I kind of that's
Speaker 1: a that's a thing that someone just says something funny
Speaker 1: to someone that works in a hip shop. Delete you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, well, well, my dear, I
Speaker 1: can't even remember what they said. That's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1: When I go to said moved on, next thought, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not I'm not doing you know, I've got
Speaker 1: to turn my receptors back on. We've got to have
Speaker 1: all that going on. Yeah, them on, Well, I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it. Why did you hate zoom gigs?
Speaker 1: For goodness sakes? Why did I hate them? Yeah? A
Speaker 1: couple of them were fine, but the main thing was
Speaker 1: some of them were really nice as well. And I'd
Speaker 1: be like enjoying it, and then I'd go all right,
Speaker 1: and then you'd be like you kind of get kicked
Speaker 1: out and you're just I'm just here where I am now? Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I go bed something that feeling when you finish a
Speaker 1: gig and you're just in your attic, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: just want to say can we all just stick around
Speaker 1: and have a chat or something? You need to be like,
Speaker 1: what's it called, like sort of talk down afterwards. You
Speaker 1: can't just go yeah. If you imagine doing a ninety
Speaker 1: nine club on a Saturday night and you come up
Speaker 1: stage and then instantly you were just in erratic, but
Speaker 1: you know what it feels like, and not to make
Speaker 1: light of it, but it almost feels like the sort
Speaker 1: of vibe of the room is almost like like you're
Speaker 1: about to take your own life or something. There's nothing,
Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's nothing happening. There's just this void of
Speaker 1: like all right, it feels like you're either going to
Speaker 1: take your own life or completely soullessly take someone else's.
Speaker 1: And myself included, people wouldn't even really be doing comedy
Speaker 1: because they were so awkward that they just sort of
Speaker 1: have a chat or something and it's like what is this?
Speaker 1: What is this? And I had a bit that kind
Speaker 1: of written and you're saying it and you're not really
Speaker 1: getting feedback, and one I did. Sometimes I could get
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't get sound, but occasionally i'd have like
Speaker 1: pictures of people and you're sort of just like willing them.
Speaker 1: You're sort of like, yeah, is this all right? Is
Speaker 1: this all right? Faces? And it's just this sort of
Speaker 1: vague like it's like they're like silent faces. I was
Speaker 1: getting and sometimes sometimes I had nothing. I had nothing,
Speaker 1: I had a picture of myself and he just goes
Speaker 1: this what I look like? Is this what I look
Speaker 1: like when I'm doing it? The faces, the boxes, It
Speaker 1: was like a game of guess who, and you're just
Speaker 1: looking at guess who, like, who's laughing? Someone, please smile.
Speaker 1: They used to be a few gigs in London. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you did them where the stand up would be
Speaker 1: facing the room, but the back of the room would
Speaker 1: be a mirror, and so you'd occasionally catch yourself amongst
Speaker 1: the crowd just looking back at yourself doing it and
Speaker 1: just going, oh, oh, I don't need to see this pulling,
Speaker 1: pulling these faces that you don't have any idea, And
Speaker 1: it's like and like zoom has become missing. We're all
Speaker 1: getting used to our own faces. I don't see my
Speaker 1: face talking. But now you sort of kind of look
Speaker 1: at yourself go it's like hearing recordings of yourself. It's
Speaker 1: that again, but looking at my face, going ah right, okay,
Speaker 1: this makes sense, This makes sense. It's interesting. Then you're right,
Speaker 1: We as human beings in the history of humanity have
Speaker 1: seen our own faces more than we've ever seen our
Speaker 1: own faces exactly exactly, And to be honest, mine makes
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense of a lot of
Speaker 1: things have been happening. Now I can look back and go, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, that makes sense. Oh is that what
Speaker 1: I look like? Okay, all right, okay, I can I
Speaker 1: can slot that back in and a lot of things
Speaker 1: start to come together. Now I never looked like what
Speaker 1: I think I look like. Nah when I see the mirror,
Speaker 1: or if I've done acting, and then I watched it
Speaker 1: back and go, oh, that wasn't at all what I
Speaker 1: thought I was doing. My face Weirdly, you're pulling a
Speaker 1: face when you're like combing your hair or brushing your
Speaker 1: teeth because or you're look in the mirror when you're
Speaker 1: about to leave the house and you go, yeah, look
Speaker 1: all right, and it's because you're sort of doing a
Speaker 1: weird like pose. You go, yeah, right, I'm a Norman
Speaker 1: Rockwell painting. Sure look good, but like you don't you
Speaker 1: don't see yourself doing this and see arms flailing and
Speaker 1: doing like weird things with your mouth and things. You go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's a weird old face. It's a weird old face.
Speaker 1: You go there, Yeah, it's really that is really interesting. Listen,
Speaker 1: you've made two observations in the last ten minutes too.
Speaker 1: The receptors are back on, Bret. I'd say the receptors
Speaker 1: are firing on all cylinders, which is good news, because
Speaker 1: Nathaniel bet Calf, you have been brought back to life
Speaker 1: because I like you. You get a second chance. But
Speaker 1: what point in your life would you like to come
Speaker 1: back to? Is there something you'd change? Any regrets? Boy?
Speaker 1: What will you keep the same? Do you know what?
Speaker 1: I've got tons of regrets? Of course I have, like
Speaker 1: all of it's like, but also, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: figured out the answer yet. So it would be wrong
Speaker 1: of me to come back, because I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'd go back and change something bad. I'd make things worse.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's a movie, isn't that what am
Speaker 1: I thinking of? Yeah, I'd be the butterfly effect. I
Speaker 1: need to get everything right in the present first, before
Speaker 1: I could go back and change everything. Surely you need
Speaker 1: to kind of sort yourself out first. And then go
Speaker 1: all right now, but then you probably won't want to
Speaker 1: go back because you got actual more right now. That's
Speaker 1: how i'd feel about it. How many regrets if you've
Speaker 1: gotta give me a number, oh oh, loads, three or
Speaker 1: four big ones. And but like do you know, like
Speaker 1: Frank sin Archer my way, he says regrets, have had
Speaker 1: a few, but then again too few to mention. And
Speaker 1: I think I've I've heard a lot about you, Frank,
Speaker 1: and if I were you, I'd have loads of regrets.
Speaker 1: I'd be singing that, going, oh man, I've got some.
Speaker 1: And the fact he has he's only got a few,
Speaker 1: or thinks he only has a few, makes me go, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm into you. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm into you, Frank. He's also, you know, everything's his.
Speaker 1: That song is very revealing on a number of them,
Speaker 1: he's like, fuck you. The song should just be called
Speaker 1: fuck you. And everyone I've harmed along the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure I've done some bad things, but not that many.
Speaker 1: And I don't think about it that much, not worth
Speaker 1: going into. So you've got a few regrets, but you
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to come back because you've got
Speaker 1: no solutions to those. Yeah, if you could do them again,
Speaker 1: if you could do them again, you do them worse. Well,
Speaker 1: that'd be my worry. I kind of wish something like
Speaker 1: stand up. I kind of wish i'd started that sooner,
Speaker 1: because I think it was a lot of like a
Speaker 1: lot of things kind of make sense when I did it,
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, that makes sense, so I can
Speaker 1: do that. And also I think it's sort of when
Speaker 1: you start older, you're only ever gonna get to a
Speaker 1: certain level. I really like it when I see young
Speaker 1: people doing it, which is kind of what happens now, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, people are only gonna your that
Speaker 1: audience are gonna age with them, whereas I'm now just
Speaker 1: you know, I started later her and I'm quite an
Speaker 1: odd forty two year old. All right, Yeah, people aren't
Speaker 1: relating to this gay and why should it's different? Differently?
Speaker 1: Why are you worried you're lately? I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if I agree with your thesis. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I think I think people would do it, like, well,
Speaker 1: the longer you do it, you should get better and better, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And people that start younger, I mean you sort of
Speaker 1: seeing it with people that we started with, who would
Speaker 1: like be seventeen or eighteen, and you think, and when
Speaker 1: they start, you go, oh, you're too young to be
Speaker 1: doing this, but then actually they're not. They're just learning
Speaker 1: this thing at a really young age. And ten years
Speaker 1: later they're ten years better and they're twenty seven or something,
Speaker 1: and you go, wow, imagine that that's great. Imagine being
Speaker 1: that good at twenty seven. That's that's how old. Always
Speaker 1: when I start, that's that kind of that's great. I
Speaker 1: think that's six Satan. Yeah, you're right. I think i'd
Speaker 1: go back. I'd start earlier if I If I could,
Speaker 1: I started later. But you know, I met I met
Speaker 1: someone in America, right, I've been thinking about this so much.
Speaker 1: I met someone in LA and they tell me a
Speaker 1: story about I can't remember what it was. They had
Speaker 1: an idea for something. This wasn't a TV. It was
Speaker 1: like a product. Basically, they had an idea for a product.
Speaker 1: They got the product made, they sold the product, the
Speaker 1: product was successful, and I said to them, did you
Speaker 1: know anything about making the product? And they said no,
Speaker 1: I knew nothing. I just looked it up and I
Speaker 1: found a person and I called them up and I said,
Speaker 1: do you make these things? And blah blah blah, just
Speaker 1: did it. Had this idea, did the thing. The thing
Speaker 1: was successful. And I said, did you not have like
Speaker 1: loads of doubt and loads of time spent worrying about
Speaker 1: the thing, And they said no, And I thought, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just skipped all the years of going I don't
Speaker 1: think I could do I don't know anything about this,
Speaker 1: but of course I couldn't do this, and just God
Speaker 1: just did the bit. And the reality is with you
Speaker 1: and me and most people, we always end up doing
Speaker 1: the thing. It just there's just sort of long period
Speaker 1: of doubt and questioning. I know what, I probably couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't like I was
Speaker 1: at seventeen. I was probably thinking about out, I'd like
Speaker 1: to do that. I can't do that. Yeah, I always
Speaker 1: wanted to stand up. Why did it take me? If
Speaker 1: I just skipped a bit where I went, I probably
Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah, so that's what you do. Just
Speaker 1: do it, Just do it. He was right, he was,
Speaker 1: Prince Nike was I love like, Okay, so you've come
Speaker 1: back to now you change in nothing to spite all
Speaker 1: these You only bring certain people back to life, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: only the ones I like. Wow, that's telling for all
Speaker 1: the other guests. Jadd Apatow doesn't listen back to this. Well,
Speaker 1: he only just died. I gotta give him some time too. Okay,
Speaker 1: you've got to let I don't mean people back from
Speaker 1: the dead quick. Yeah, of course. But for me it's
Speaker 1: been longer than most as well. Well, you died young,
Speaker 1: and I know, but it's been a long time coming.
Speaker 1: I have been. I feel like, I think you've got
Speaker 1: too much responsibility. You've got you've got too much power
Speaker 1: with this. I mean, you're doing it for good, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's an element to it
Speaker 1: which is quite sinister, that you have the power to
Speaker 1: bring certain people back and it's your choice. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: That's too much power. Listen, it's my choice who gets
Speaker 1: into heaven as well? Wow, listen. And the people that
Speaker 1: stay dead, they're in heaven. They're having a nice time,
Speaker 1: get spies. Yeah, yeah, and they've decided. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: It's true. Some people just it's like with you, it
Speaker 1: was like, I think there's there's more. Some people I've
Speaker 1: left to die because they were done. You know, they'd
Speaker 1: had a perfect road but I was in heaven getting
Speaker 1: annoyed at other comedians during Okay. So you so you
Speaker 1: come back to life. People want to hear about you,
Speaker 1: about you, your death and your new life, but they
Speaker 1: want to talk about films again because you're hanging out
Speaker 1: with the right, with your kind of people. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the first thing they ask is, what's the last film
Speaker 1: you saw? Nathani I saw over the weekend. I saw
Speaker 1: alian Aver. Talk to me about alian Aver. It has
Speaker 1: got a deal actor and Claire Rushbrook in it, and
Speaker 1: a deal actor is one of those guys that you
Speaker 1: see him in this and you go, he's been in
Speaker 1: stuff for sure, and you go, he's probably most famous
Speaker 1: for being in Four Lions. And when he saw him
Speaker 1: in Four Lions that was ten years ago or something.
Speaker 1: You go, this guy's incredible. This guy's going to be
Speaker 1: in everything, and he's done well and I don't want
Speaker 1: to knock him, but you see him in this again
Speaker 1: and go, this guy's amazing. Why isn't he in everything?
Speaker 1: And he's such he's so great like and it's a
Speaker 1: film that's it's quite a difficult watch with an actor
Speaker 1: in it who is so charming that I just cannot
Speaker 1: but it's again you're going, this guy should be huge.
Speaker 1: Why isn't this guy and everything? I wouldn't have time
Speaker 1: if he was in everything, I wouldn't have time to
Speaker 1: watch everything. But he should be, you know, he's but
Speaker 1: he's like he's well, he just go, what a wonderful
Speaker 1: kind of like he's a proper charmer. You just like
Speaker 1: him immediately. He's like he's got such and in it.
Speaker 1: He's like he's even playing landlord in this. And I
Speaker 1: still like him gay, I like him a luck And
Speaker 1: also I'm dismissing it seems Claire Rushbrook, who's also terrific.
Speaker 1: It's just that I was so struck by Ah, I
Speaker 1: love a deal actor. And then you go, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy he's not in more stuff. I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: doing well and he's working and he's happy and he's
Speaker 1: sort of always he's always in stuff. But you're right,
Speaker 1: he should be bigger. Puts in all stuff. And it's
Speaker 1: really nice to see him in something like this where
Speaker 1: he's the co lead of something. I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 1: a comedy. It's got funny bits in it. I once
Speaker 1: set it's a comedy. It's definitely romantic and it is
Speaker 1: about romance, and well not about romance. It's about love
Speaker 1: and different kinds of love. The bit of it which
Speaker 1: is the most profound is difficult to talk about, but
Speaker 1: happens at the end, which isn't even between the two
Speaker 1: main characters, without spoiling anything. Is it overall a positive
Speaker 1: or a negative film? I would say overall it is
Speaker 1: a positive film. I came out of the film so
Speaker 1: sad and yet it's really hopeful, and I keep reading
Speaker 1: reviews about how joyous it is, and I went, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm like them because I thought
Speaker 1: there's a bit in it that made me so profoundly
Speaker 1: sad that I was like, oh god, it was. It's
Speaker 1: a real sort of I've not seen that in a
Speaker 1: film before, but it felt very truthful. But I just
Speaker 1: found it like there's a moment happens towards the end
Speaker 1: which is very sad that isn't even between It's between
Speaker 1: a dear acta and one of the other members of
Speaker 1: the cast. But and it's all about kind of love
Speaker 1: and different types of love and things really good. It's
Speaker 1: very profound, but like it's not like you know, you
Speaker 1: have you seen the Selfish Giant. I have seen the
Speaker 1: Service Giant. Who well, Nellie, that's tough. That is tough.
Speaker 1: The Service Giant has there's a moment in it. It's
Speaker 1: up there with Kes, with putting a bird in the
Speaker 1: fucking being. Do you know what? As well? I was
Speaker 1: talking to someone about it the other day after I'd
Speaker 1: seen alian Ava, and I was talking about a Selfish Giant,
Speaker 1: and I said, the thing is right, they made a
Speaker 1: choice where that film could still exist and still have
Speaker 1: a thing where it's about like, oh, the kids riding horses.
Speaker 1: That's really nice for him. He's having a tough life.
Speaker 1: That film could still achieve a lot of what it
Speaker 1: achieves and be about a kid who goes like at
Speaker 1: the end of it, they go, what that kid's really
Speaker 1: good at riding horses. Now he could maybe be a
Speaker 1: jockey or something and get out of this his back
Speaker 1: end sort of achieve something. And I thought, there is
Speaker 1: an interesting that at some point writing that she must
Speaker 1: have made a choice to go, nah, fuck him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It could still achieve a lot
Speaker 1: of the same things and not have that, not have
Speaker 1: like that. Really, Oh, that's that's upsetic, really really, I
Speaker 1: was setting that film, and and yeah, and all the
Speaker 1: horse stuff. I was like, you know, in storytelling, you went,
Speaker 1: he's training for a horse race, So we're going to
Speaker 1: have a horse race. No we're not. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: why we're not. Of course something is going to happen
Speaker 1: and there would be no horse racing. But also, of
Speaker 1: course I love a grim British kitchen syndrama. So a
Speaker 1: bit of me went brilliant, were lapped, but I went brilliant.
Speaker 1: But I was also going, well that is upsetting and sat.
Speaker 1: But with that film it was interesting because it felt yeah,
Speaker 1: it felt like you're on a journey going well, i've
Speaker 1: seen this film. This is nice, this is nice. It's
Speaker 1: like that film is like if in The Full Monty
Speaker 1: they did a dance rehearsal. They did a dance rehearsal,
Speaker 1: and as they left the rehearsal to go, they got
Speaker 1: shot and there was no final dance because they've all
Speaker 1: been shot and they were dead. That's what that film
Speaker 1: is like. Now, it would be like in The Full
Speaker 1: Money if one of them shot the other ones and
Speaker 1: then the guy who shot them went, oh what have
Speaker 1: I done? And a car walks past and says I've
Speaker 1: just heard the news and he goes, what that shot
Speaker 1: them people? And he goes, know that your son is dead.
Speaker 1: It would be like that. It would be so like
Speaker 1: the bleak is kind of oh oh that's fair. Oh
Speaker 1: no credits to Hot Chocolate play it every time, Nathan,
Speaker 1: you make her Who do you think should play you
Speaker 1: in the film of your life? Well, well it's tough one,
Speaker 1: isn't it, because it feels almost like a conceited question
Speaker 1: because you go, you pick someone's too good looking. But
Speaker 1: then also it's like, like I keep thinking the people
Speaker 1: that I would think that, you'd go, oh, I maybe
Speaker 1: look a bit like that person. They're also probably at
Speaker 1: least ten years older than me, given the nature of
Speaker 1: film stars, So I would be like, will it be
Speaker 1: weird if they played me in a film, because by
Speaker 1: the time the film comes out, they're going to be
Speaker 1: old playing me? Okay, So you're almost trying to think
Speaker 1: of maybe someone hasn't been born yet. And then he's
Speaker 1: trying to think of the circumstances that someone would make
Speaker 1: a film of me. And I don't think I've done
Speaker 1: anything horrible that people haven't found out about yet, And
Speaker 1: it'd be a terrible. Well, there is this long list
Speaker 1: of regrets we need to deal with, so it's interested.
Speaker 1: So if they're making a film, it's probably going to
Speaker 1: be me for something that hasn't happened yet. So if
Speaker 1: I go, So I was thinking initially someone people have
Speaker 1: said that I look like in the past and I
Speaker 1: don't want to seem conceited about it, would be someone
Speaker 1: like Brendan Fraser. Has been mentioned really good shout, so
Speaker 1: maybe someone like that. But I also quite like the
Speaker 1: idea of giving Michael Sheen ago because he's had to
Speaker 1: go of everyone else and me, you see where because
Speaker 1: he's done everyone and he go maybe you could add
Speaker 1: him to the pantheon of people he's played. I like
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser, Okay, I've not heard that, and I think
Speaker 1: that's a great shot. Someone else so I think probably
Speaker 1: is too good looking, but someone who I occasionally seeing
Speaker 1: things and in my head I think maybe the mirror
Speaker 1: me would be going, hey, I think that guy looks
Speaker 1: a bit like me. But then I think, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: I've gone, no, that guy's much better looking than me.
Speaker 1: Was the guy Joe Michael Pitt Yeah, from from Funny Games.
Speaker 1: From Funny games, and I've occasionally seen him in things
Speaker 1: and gone from Funny Games and The Dreamers exactly my
Speaker 1: two references that I would have said, but i've seen
Speaker 1: him in things going hey, I think that guy looks
Speaker 1: a bit like me. But luckily I've had the last
Speaker 1: two years on Zoom and I can go no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Michael Pitt is a very good looking guy.
Speaker 1: I'll take that back, not to say Brendan Fraser isn't.
Speaker 1: He's also a very good looking Matt. I think I
Speaker 1: think you like George and the Jungle, and that's a
Speaker 1: huge But why is the most romantic film you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: You're a romantic onn you? For God's sakes? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know what, this is hard because this is the
Speaker 1: one I definitely think I'm going to remember something else.
Speaker 1: And I quite like films that have a sort of
Speaker 1: element of sort of tragedy in their romance, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I bet it's a really good example of that that
Speaker 1: I can't remember. But also one of my favorite films
Speaker 1: is a Matter of Life and Death, which is it's
Speaker 1: also like a romantic film, all about a guy who
Speaker 1: in a fantasy way though, so he's you know, he
Speaker 1: finds love at the point where he should already have
Speaker 1: died and is sort of resurrected by accident. He's meant
Speaker 1: to go to heaven but doesn't, and in the time
Speaker 1: period of which he's supposed to have died, he meets
Speaker 1: someone and falls in love and then basically has to
Speaker 1: have a whole court case with God and various spirits
Speaker 1: and heavenly bodies to convince them that he deserves to
Speaker 1: stay life because they've cheated him out of this romance. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really that's one of my favorite films, which is
Speaker 1: in itself it's entirely a romantic comedy drama. I don't
Speaker 1: want to spoil it, so spoil it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: spoil it, so skip ahead if you've not seen A
Speaker 1: Lean To. When I finally saw that film, I really
Speaker 1: really loved it and I was shocked that it had
Speaker 1: a happy ending. I really thought, this is a British film.
Speaker 1: There's no way he's going to live and get it.
Speaker 1: There's no way. And I was really like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: but he does it. But because they don't give you
Speaker 1: it fully happy, because he achieves it because he needs
Speaker 1: someone to represent him and he can't find anyone, and
Speaker 1: then the doctor who in real life has been helping
Speaker 1: them the whole way gets killed in a motorbike accident
Speaker 1: and is able to come back, So it has an
Speaker 1: element of tragedy. They didn't let him off. Fully, someone's
Speaker 1: got to die, someone's got to pay the price. That's true.
Speaker 1: We can't have happy ending. You've got you've got had
Speaker 1: some sadness. Yeah, oh it's awful. I live with that
Speaker 1: guilt for the rest of it, and I did. He's
Speaker 1: a doctor, he could be probably saved many more lives,
Speaker 1: but then has to come back to help David never now.
Speaker 1: So I thought of that. One. Another one I think
Speaker 1: is kind of like so recently I didn't see it
Speaker 1: when it came out, was The Handmaiden film, And I
Speaker 1: think that in itself is really the whole thing that
Speaker 1: you kind of complete misdirection all the time, but ends
Speaker 1: with this thing where you kind of go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's actually a really beautiful kind of and it's all
Speaker 1: about sort of using elements that was hate as essentially
Speaker 1: that other people have used against someone as a loving thing.
Speaker 1: It's very nice to something which is you know, also
Speaker 1: a film which is at times very grim it's got
Speaker 1: the sexiest tooth shaving scene of all time. What a
Speaker 1: sexy tooth shaving scene? You never think, You never think
Speaker 1: growing up one day I'll see a film with a
Speaker 1: really sexy tooth shavy tooth shavy doesn't sound sexy. I
Speaker 1: think that film is quite incredible because it is both
Speaker 1: incredibly sexy but also like, like, there's so many things
Speaker 1: like is this all right? All right? And also it's
Speaker 1: so and it's also weirdly it's odd to see something
Speaker 1: so explicit as well, which also you go through your
Speaker 1: head and go through rolodex of is this all right?
Speaker 1: And at the end of it you go, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's all right. I think it's right. I think
Speaker 1: we're all I think we're all all right. Guys, that's
Speaker 1: your matter of life and death. That's okay, Yes, to
Speaker 1: kill a doctor. What is the best film you ever
Speaker 1: saw that you never want to see again. We've talked
Speaker 1: about Graham films, and I've said I like a grim film,
Speaker 1: but I honestly don't think I could get through Grave
Speaker 1: of the Fireflies ever again, No way. That film is relentless,
Speaker 1: absolutely relentless. It starts off you go, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's tragic. That's about lots of story stuck with
Speaker 1: something tragic, and you get to overcome the tragedy and
Speaker 1: you absolutely do not get to overcome anything, and every
Speaker 1: kind of turning point in the story, something worse happens
Speaker 1: than the thing that you thought were going to happen
Speaker 1: at stuff that's mad's worse than the start, and it
Speaker 1: just gets worse and worse and worse and introduces you
Speaker 1: to characters and you get to go, well, I really
Speaker 1: love these characters. What's sweet and charming characters, And it goes, oh,
Speaker 1: delate them, watch him die in a really well, think
Speaker 1: of an unpleasant way to die. I've got one worse,
Speaker 1: go on worse, and they just play out like this
Speaker 1: horrendous scenario. And then when you go, oh, I guess
Speaker 1: that's the end of the film. Yes, this is just
Speaker 1: a really sad film. And that's a sad end into
Speaker 1: a film. It's like, imagine what happens next to this character.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, but imagine what might happen to them?
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, he's probably this isn't it? You go, yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably is. What would naturally happen to that? Do
Speaker 1: you want to see it. Yeah, I guess we've got
Speaker 1: to see it. Yeah, yeah, we've got to watch this
Speaker 1: happen as well. Watch this happen. Is that the end? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the end? See you later credits. Unbelievable, unbelievable, How
Speaker 1: relentless that is making you feel bad. It does not
Speaker 1: let up, It does not let up of how bad
Speaker 1: you'll feel during the film, and it's you just like
Speaker 1: to warm people. I'd recommend it's really good. I'd recommend it.
Speaker 1: And yet, like you, you've got to go in prepared that,
Speaker 1: like I think it's a public service me telling people
Speaker 1: to watch it and also saying when you think the
Speaker 1: worst thing has happened in this film, it hasn't even
Speaker 1: happened yet. It's still it's going to keep going. You're
Speaker 1: still in the prologue, man, Yeah, nothing, This isn't. It isn't.
Speaker 1: This isn't Why you go like you'd watch it now
Speaker 1: and go I have heard this film sad, and it's like,
Speaker 1: this isn't even started. This is the happy bit. This
Speaker 1: is the best you're going to feel for the next
Speaker 1: eighty minutes, for the rest of your life. What is
Speaker 1: the best action film you've ever seen. Well, I think
Speaker 1: I mentioned it last time, but I've got a few
Speaker 1: answers for this, and one sounds kind of a bit
Speaker 1: high for Lutin, which is probably going to be my answer.
Speaker 1: Last time I sort of mentioned Desperado that was I
Speaker 1: think it's such an underrated action movie. I think it's
Speaker 1: incredible and it's so it's so visceral. And the time
Speaker 1: that I saw it for the first time, it was
Speaker 1: at London Film Festival and he was packed and everyone
Speaker 1: was so into it in a way that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: really imagine it somewheer film festival. So the point where
Speaker 1: halfway through and go in front of me kind of
Speaker 1: just turned around to be like, wow, this is great,
Speaker 1: right because it was just it was so exciting and
Speaker 1: you think, you know, when people took about audience awards,
Speaker 1: I think no film went down as well at that
Speaker 1: festival as Desperado did, but it wouldn't get it because
Speaker 1: they don't want to say that's a film that did
Speaker 1: it and it's but it's so again, that's a film
Speaker 1: which is pure action and all it's trying to do
Speaker 1: is show you exciting things and people shooting guns in
Speaker 1: comical and amusing ways people are going to fly through
Speaker 1: a window, someone's going to jump off a building, fire
Speaker 1: and a gun. What different ways can we fire a
Speaker 1: gun loads? Let's have let's do them all. Let's think
Speaker 1: of just ways we can fire guns at people. And weirdly,
Speaker 1: it's not even doesn't even seem that violent. It's quite charming,
Speaker 1: and it's funny and it's I mean, it's really funny.
Speaker 1: Like by the time you get to the you know,
Speaker 1: the credit sequence, you've already had a brilliant scene with
Speaker 1: Steve Bashemi. It's all scenes and all of it is
Speaker 1: set pieces, and if it's not a set piece, it's
Speaker 1: like a funny scene between two people having a chat.
Speaker 1: It's great. It's terrific action movie. Any good answer, and
Speaker 1: it hasn't been brought up since you were left here. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's such an underrated film. I think it's
Speaker 1: so so great. The high for Looting one I was
Speaker 1: going to go with, was going to be and I
Speaker 1: think I could say this is an action movie, but
Speaker 1: it sounds high for louting is the Wages of fear?
Speaker 1: You have seen that? That is a really really good
Speaker 1: high faluting answer. I would count that because it is
Speaker 1: an action movie, even though I think people go no, no,
Speaker 1: it's suspense and go, well, then Speed isn't an action movie.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, surely if anything is that is.
Speaker 1: I saw that again. I hadn't seen it till recently.
Speaker 1: I saw it the Prince Charles with Nick Helm and
Speaker 1: Pat Butcher. And Pat Butcher was when he was he
Speaker 1: was like coming in from New York and he was jetlagged,
Speaker 1: and I think that they've both been out late and
Speaker 1: we've got to see it on a Sunday afternoon, and
Speaker 1: they were basically said, there's no way you were going
Speaker 1: to stay away during this film, and he go, sure,
Speaker 1: it's a film from like nineteen fifty three, it's in
Speaker 1: black and white. I've heard it's good. I kind of
Speaker 1: know what it's about, but like, I might have difficulty
Speaker 1: staying away through this, and it was it's so exciting
Speaker 1: that all of us were on the edge of us
Speaker 1: that no one went to sleep because it so it's
Speaker 1: such an exciting film. No one went to sleep is
Speaker 1: a quote I want on all film posters. Did I
Speaker 1: want to see you know what I mean? Yeah? When
Speaker 1: they when I think it was it was either the
Speaker 1: woman in Black or the sequel to The Woman in Black.
Speaker 1: The poster for that on the Underground. The quote it
Speaker 1: used was I didn't sleep for weeks, and I went
Speaker 1: terrible recommendation. I don't want to see a film where
Speaker 1: I've gone. You're right, it's like, no, I haven't slept
Speaker 1: for weeks. The amount of films that get advertised with
Speaker 1: the quote that says heartbreaking and no thanks of all
Speaker 1: the films if you had to, which film do you
Speaker 1: think you could have made? And why I could have made?
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I don't know if I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it in the right way. Were you thinking about it?
Speaker 1: I was thinking of it like if you see a film,
Speaker 1: you go, if I made a film, that might be
Speaker 1: kind of like the film i'd make. Yeah, yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Well something certainly when it came out, I felt that
Speaker 1: about The Life Aquatic with Steve Zsu and not because
Speaker 1: necessarily in a sort of Wes Anderson anyway, just there's
Speaker 1: something about the tone of that film that's slightly different.
Speaker 1: I mean not to not Wes Anderson. I like I
Speaker 1: like those first movies a lot more than sort of
Speaker 1: later ones. And I don't mean necessarily esthetically, but a
Speaker 1: little bit aesthetically that what's different about that. I really
Speaker 1: like the color palette on that film, I really like
Speaker 1: I like that it all has a sort of feel
Speaker 1: of something like Tintin or something, whereas it's also funny
Speaker 1: and sad and has this sort of soundtrack that feels like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I would want to hear. And it's just
Speaker 1: like when moments happen you go. It feels it almost
Speaker 1: like things switch sort of metronomy in this way that
Speaker 1: I really want them to happen. Like it's like watching
Speaker 1: it and going, I really want this to happen, but
Speaker 1: it probably won't happen because that's not how narrative works,
Speaker 1: and it happens. It's like that when you watch it,
Speaker 1: going I would want this to happen now if like
Speaker 1: and in that way, you're sort of probably always writing
Speaker 1: films like like when you watch The Selfish Trian and go, well,
Speaker 1: I hope this boy doesn't nothing tragic happens to this
Speaker 1: little boy who loves horses, but instead something else happens.
Speaker 1: But this is a really sort of satisfying narrative that
Speaker 1: I was like, beat for beat, I was like, going,
Speaker 1: this is what I want to happen. I want this
Speaker 1: to happen, and this should happen now, and I love that.
Speaker 1: And that was probably one of the first times I
Speaker 1: was watching a film where it felt really like, this
Speaker 1: feels like the kind of film I would want to make,
Speaker 1: Not that I could necessarily, but just moment to moment.
Speaker 1: It has so many bits that just feel like I
Speaker 1: love this. I love it that it does all that
Speaker 1: how sort of imaginative is and when you get in
Speaker 1: the submarine, how you get to see the kind of
Speaker 1: like almost like a blueprint of the submarine and the
Speaker 1: kind of walls cut out and it shows you all
Speaker 1: the different rooms and where you are, and there's there's
Speaker 1: there's so much kind of imagination in that, and for me,
Speaker 1: that's still my favorite film of his. I'm not knocking
Speaker 1: the Royal tannem bounds. I'm not I'm not mad, but
Speaker 1: I love The Life Equator because there's something about it
Speaker 1: that feels really like this is this is a bit
Speaker 1: of me. That is a perfect answer. Well done, Thank you,
Speaker 1: really good. What is the film you have pretended to
Speaker 1: like to impress people? Well? I reckon this might be
Speaker 1: the most controversial one, and I hope I've seeded this
Speaker 1: enough by trying to present myself as a good guy,
Speaker 1: great guy, because it seem like a great guy who
Speaker 1: likes films. Yeah, because the film that I've pretended to
Speaker 1: like is the film from a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: a year or two ago. Little Women. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I get it. I get it, guys, I
Speaker 1: get it. I think it's fine. I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: I really like Greg Gwig. I think she's great. Big fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd never seen any other iteration of Little Women. I'd heard.
Speaker 1: I'd heard that this one. People loved it. People loving
Speaker 1: this film love it. They love this film. I love it. Sure,
Speaker 1: lots of people love it. I kept reading, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: up for this and again. I saw this with Nick
Speaker 1: helm I think I saw it in like New Year's
Speaker 1: Day or something like that around the Christmas season. Great film,
Speaker 1: a scene, let's do Little Christmas seven, It's gonna be
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, perfect New Year's Day film, right afternoon, lovely,
Speaker 1: this will be really nice. I was a bit like, wow,
Speaker 1: is this what Little Women is? Huh? I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, Little Women? This is is this what it is?
Speaker 1: This is the this is the film? Right, this is
Speaker 1: the one? Is this the one we're talking about? Is
Speaker 1: this Little Women? Yeah, everyone's into it. There's lots of
Speaker 1: people who I didn't quite grasp for half the film.
Speaker 1: The penny drogged halfway through. You go, where are all
Speaker 1: these adults pretending to be children? They're all running about
Speaker 1: really excited. The mums made a chicken for dinner or something,
Speaker 1: and they're running around. Laura Durns made something nice for dinner,
Speaker 1: and they made some biscuits or something, and they're all
Speaker 1: running around pretending to be children, and you go, how
Speaker 1: are these people meant to be? Because they look like
Speaker 1: they're all in their mid twenties on it. They're really
Speaker 1: excited that there's Laura Durns made a cloth a casse
Speaker 1: role or a little cloth dolly or something. Mum has
Speaker 1: made a cloth dolly. I don't know if it happens,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of thing that might have happened. And
Speaker 1: you're grutching it like that, and you go, what is
Speaker 1: why is this happening? And the worst thing about it?
Speaker 1: And I kept thinking and totally what are you always
Speaker 1: so get is I understand that these of course make
Speaker 1: this people love this film. Not everything has to be
Speaker 1: made for me, of course, not course, not course not.
Speaker 1: People love it and I enjoy it. I'm like that
Speaker 1: they love I like Greg Gig. I respect that she
Speaker 1: did it. Well done for making a film you wanted
Speaker 1: to make. It obviously seems good. I think one of
Speaker 1: the worst elements of it was when when there's a
Speaker 1: bit where their dad is played by Bob Odenkirk, and
Speaker 1: there's a bit where it cuts away to him in
Speaker 1: the Civil War, and it cuts away for a second
Speaker 1: you get to see a bit of him at war,
Speaker 1: and a bit of my brain went, oh, now we're talking.
Speaker 1: Let's watch this. Now it's now, we're getting somewhere. And
Speaker 1: then I thought, right the minute it kind of moved
Speaker 1: away from the little women, I realized I became more
Speaker 1: and I've never felt more manly in my life at
Speaker 1: that point, because a bit of me went like, I'm
Speaker 1: not even that guy. I'm not that guy. But when
Speaker 1: I just saw a little bit of Civil War, I went, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go, there we go. Now we're off for Eason.
Speaker 1: I feel bad, like and you know what, I felt
Speaker 1: bad while I was experiencing this in real time, going ah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much of a manly man. I
Speaker 1: was that actually watching Little Women who love you know,
Speaker 1: they all right love doing dollies and doing like little
Speaker 1: puppet shows or something. They love it. They're having a
Speaker 1: great time. You're one of the manliest men on the circuit.
Speaker 1: And that's everyone knows that. Yeah. I love it, love
Speaker 1: that they made it well done and everyone involved. For
Speaker 1: the record, I really loved Little Women. I love it.
Speaker 1: I believe you. What is the film you've never seen
Speaker 1: that you think it's mad? You've never seen it any
Speaker 1: of the Harry Potter films that is mad? What is
Speaker 1: the film you love that you don't explain anyone else
Speaker 1: to like? All right? Oh, man, I wish this one
Speaker 1: hadn't come up so so quickly after the Little Women answer,
Speaker 1: because I think I think people are gonna I think
Speaker 1: by the end of this, I think I think this
Speaker 1: might be where I get canceled. I don't think that
Speaker 1: shows happening out about fucking time. The film I think
Speaker 1: is great. I love it. No one else likes. I've
Speaker 1: kind of recommended to people. No one believes me. I
Speaker 1: am a big fan of the film. I'm the only
Speaker 1: person in the world who likes it. Brett More Tocai.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: best comedies of the past decade. And I saw it
Speaker 1: after people hated it and went, hike, I think that
Speaker 1: looked quite funny. I thought that look quite funny. It's
Speaker 1: a trader for it. I watched it and went, that
Speaker 1: is funny, and then I'm sort of then. Ever since,
Speaker 1: I just have heard people talk about how much they
Speaker 1: hate it and how awful it is, and I've watched
Speaker 1: it again because I didn't believe myself. I went, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch this film again because it's not good, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna the scales are gonna fall from my eyes.
Speaker 1: Watched it a second time, went it's a great movie.
Speaker 1: It's a great comedy. Love it. I think it's a
Speaker 1: really great comedy. Lots of reasons not to like it,
Speaker 1: even more in recent times, but but you know, I
Speaker 1: love the film. I think it's so so funny, that's great.
Speaker 1: I have to help my hands and say I have
Speaker 1: not seen it, and all they heard with horrendous things
Speaker 1: about it. I love I Love a Defender. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really like it. I think it's so funny. I think
Speaker 1: it's got a really good cast. I think they know
Speaker 1: what they're doing all the way through. I think tonally
Speaker 1: it's mad, but in a way that's like I can
Speaker 1: see it. See if you don't know, that's what you're
Speaker 1: getting going in. It's off putting, but you know that's
Speaker 1: the tone Within the first like minute or two of
Speaker 1: the film. You go, all right, it's a film like this,
Speaker 1: got it? Go for it? Are you going to make
Speaker 1: me watch more decay? Is that what was happening here? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I almost feel like I might be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know anyone else that likes
Speaker 1: it even remotely would say anything positive about it, even
Speaker 1: even Johnny Depth. Is he gone off it? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but maybe I'm sure he has some regrets. I brought
Speaker 1: him back to life. He said that to you, to
Speaker 1: mention what is? But one of them is more, what
Speaker 1: is the film you would show a lover as a
Speaker 1: test to see if you should be together? Well, I
Speaker 1: know I brought up last time, but I think ultimately
Speaker 1: the one I would have to double dip on would
Speaker 1: always be It's a Wonderful Life. It's not only my
Speaker 1: favorite film, but I think it's got a film which
Speaker 1: is morally on point, and I feel like it would
Speaker 1: be the one thing that you know, people can like
Speaker 1: what they like. As I said, I support people that
Speaker 1: like little women. You've been You've been very generous with that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think I think It's Wonderful Life is one which
Speaker 1: is so it's more that if someone didn't like it,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh right, oh okay, and I think
Speaker 1: about it for a while, but ultimately it's already it's
Speaker 1: already done at that point, I think I think there's
Speaker 1: any coming back from it completely. You're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got such a long list of films that would
Speaker 1: fit that criteria. But yeah, if someone doesn't get it,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, there's nothing for us here, and it
Speaker 1: would you bring it up occasionally or would take cancel
Speaker 1: the wedding? I'd say this is my fault for proposing
Speaker 1: before I showed you this film, right, but we now
Speaker 1: need to cancel the wedding. And in the email that
Speaker 1: we're going to send to everyone that we invited, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to say she didn't like It's a Wonderful Life,
Speaker 1: and no one will. No one will even ask us
Speaker 1: to return the plates they bought us that we didn't
Speaker 1: really need. What's the film that made you the most uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and you love an uncomfortable film, so what's the out
Speaker 1: of it. Well, this is a different kind of discomfort
Speaker 1: for me because you might know something I've realized over
Speaker 1: the years. One of my personal failings is I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm a big fan of fun. I don't think
Speaker 1: I like that much. Sure like Morga who doesn't everywhere,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a big like. I think sometimes certain
Speaker 1: levels are fun, I'm sort of uncomfortable with them bad
Speaker 1: and it's a real personal failure. And I'm really bad.
Speaker 1: I can't really do dancing. I can't do it. I'm
Speaker 1: too self conscious. I find that stuff a struggle, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a struggle for people that know me sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't want someone to go to make
Speaker 1: me try and dance or something. Not a fun guy.
Speaker 1: I don't like films that are overly fun and like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to see something I have no interest
Speaker 1: in seeing. The room doesn't interest me. It feels like, well,
Speaker 1: it's either someone who's sincerely tried to make a film
Speaker 1: that didn't work out. I don't like the idea of
Speaker 1: those kind of let's have a jolly kind of laugh
Speaker 1: at the room and things that just holds no interest
Speaker 1: for me. And if I did go and see the room,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'd be going shush. I just want
Speaker 1: to see the room and see what see what it's
Speaker 1: up to, right, because I might like it, I like more.
Speaker 1: I might be the gays into this, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like it that like death was good. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like that jolly enforced fun of going to
Speaker 1: see something. I know some people do and that's fine
Speaker 1: and people like that. But I was intrigued by and
Speaker 1: if they want it shouts at the screen the special
Speaker 1: little women though they can't. I if I want to
Speaker 1: see women little women, And I were shouting Mama making
Speaker 1: a cloth Dolley at the screen, really loud. People wouldn't
Speaker 1: be into it, that it's the same, you'd be the
Speaker 1: same equivalent thing with that. But I was quite intrigued
Speaker 1: by the disasterized. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I was
Speaker 1: kind of, okay, let's give this a go. But I
Speaker 1: sort of made the mistake I think of seeing that
Speaker 1: at the Prince Charles Cinema and I sat there so
Speaker 1: uncomfortable as people were shouting out things. And now I
Speaker 1: was going, this isn't even the room, right, right, this
Speaker 1: is just a film, so you can't be shouting stuff.
Speaker 1: Fut Now this is like a this is like sort
Speaker 1: of a proper film. And it sort of made me
Speaker 1: feel so uncomfortable at that being in that sort of
Speaker 1: presence and sort of seething. I was like angry watching you,
Speaker 1: Like just to me, it just felt like this just guy,
Speaker 1: like you can't go shush, be quiet, because it's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is our fun. This is what we do. We
Speaker 1: shout at the thing. And I'm in there. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have seen it there. I probably shouldn't should have seen
Speaker 1: it somewhere where there was two people in and I
Speaker 1: sat at the back, which is the best way to
Speaker 1: watch a film, So but I saw it at the Prince.
Speaker 1: I was probably my fault, but that I sat there
Speaker 1: sort of seething. And also what made me more uncomfortable
Speaker 1: was essentially that I could tell everyone else was having
Speaker 1: such a great time, and I felt like And it
Speaker 1: also just makes you question everything in your head, like haying,
Speaker 1: why am I like this? Why do I hate all
Speaker 1: these people who are having such a lovely time? And
Speaker 1: having They're all they're they're gonna leave, they're pumped, and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm really like, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: sort of screwing my hands up, balling my hands up
Speaker 1: and going, I can't bear this, just can't bear it.
Speaker 1: This is some really relatable content. I appreciate you. That's
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. I'm sure there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of people kept listening. That makes sense to you. Okay,
Speaker 1: good two people listening. And if you could show a
Speaker 1: child one film, what would it be and what are
Speaker 1: you doing with that child? Well, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is a I feel heavy the responsibility of this. I've got,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a godparent or whatever to two kids,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this is something that I would
Speaker 1: like to do and I'd like to introduce them to things.
Speaker 1: And I think I've got a certain taste in things,
Speaker 1: and I know what I liked when I was little,
Speaker 1: and a part of me is always going, I'd love
Speaker 1: to show them kes. But I know because but when
Speaker 1: I think that you are one of the people that
Speaker 1: pops into my head and go, I shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: That's not fair. It's a different time. But like I
Speaker 1: do like it and I do love it, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a great film for kids to watch. I
Speaker 1: think it, but I don't know that that is right,
Speaker 1: and it goes through my head. This is a narrative
Speaker 1: that's constantly going from my head about things I'd like
Speaker 1: to show them. Another one for a similar thing would
Speaker 1: be something like Time Bandits, which I loved when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. But part of the thing I like
Speaker 1: about it is how it's kind of got these It's
Speaker 1: also quite disturbing, and I really like that as a kid,
Speaker 1: and it's one of the first films you come out
Speaker 1: where you go, I feel weird about that. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like super excited. I loved it, but then ultimately
Speaker 1: there's like strange things where you know, the boy's parents
Speaker 1: get burnt to a crisp and get things, and you go,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's that's the right thing, but
Speaker 1: I like that. I came out of it with a
Speaker 1: weird sort of feel a bit different about this than
Speaker 1: they do other films, and I'm left to wonder something
Speaker 1: rather than just coming out and going I loved it,
Speaker 1: it was great, you kind of go. I loved it,
Speaker 1: but I also feel a bit weird or a bit
Speaker 1: sad or a bit something else. And I think that
Speaker 1: film is a bit magic like that. It's got tons
Speaker 1: of you know, it's got all the stuff that kids like,
Speaker 1: and it's proper action adventure, and it's huge, and it's
Speaker 1: heaven and hell, and it's giants, and it's got all
Speaker 1: these sort of huge fantasy elements. And it's also a
Speaker 1: little kid who just lives in, you know, a small
Speaker 1: kind of suburban house, but he's on this sort of
Speaker 1: huge kind of adventure. But ultimately it's got so much
Speaker 1: stuff at the end of it that leaves you a
Speaker 1: bit kind of quizzical. And I think that's a really
Speaker 1: important thing that kids also get something else out of here.
Speaker 1: I think Pixar do that really well as well. Now
Speaker 1: for the your modern era kids to just see something
Speaker 1: and go, oh yeah, but I have a think about that. Kids.
Speaker 1: You have us think about this as well, because that's
Speaker 1: something else. And I bet there are loads of kids
Speaker 1: that lead those films in the same way. A bit
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like I've you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've got a bit older in the last ninety
Speaker 1: minutes or something. And I think those films like that
Speaker 1: are very important but a film which I think is
Speaker 1: a children's film, which I absolutely love, which I feel
Speaker 1: like I really would like to show someone, and I
Speaker 1: hope it hasn't dated in the way that I'd be
Speaker 1: frightened it has. Would be something like The Railway Children,
Speaker 1: which I think is much much better film than anyone
Speaker 1: gives it credit for. And it's an absolutely proper film
Speaker 1: up against all other films I take it, and I
Speaker 1: think it is both you know, the sort of Sunday
Speaker 1: afternoon classic y thing that you would imagine it's a
Speaker 1: very big, kind of bank holiday type movie, but if
Speaker 1: you watch it, it's a proper movie. And I think
Speaker 1: people dismiss it in a way. And yet that film
Speaker 1: has got such kind of power of and it's what
Speaker 1: it's dealing with. His sentiment. The sentiment is hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard to do. It's hard to do. People think that's
Speaker 1: us easy. It deals with it in such a way
Speaker 1: that if it gets you properly, like you know what's
Speaker 1: false sentiment and what's real sentiment, And that film is
Speaker 1: full of real sentiment, which is what's magic about it.
Speaker 1: And people like I really like a sort of sentimental
Speaker 1: film that works, and all your the differences. It's just
Speaker 1: some of it aren't doing it properly. It's false, whereas
Speaker 1: some things are like this is proper real sentiment. In
Speaker 1: that same way, you know et is a real is
Speaker 1: real sentiment. But the Railway Children is that. I think
Speaker 1: it's an absolutely magic film, and it's a much much
Speaker 1: better film than people get credit for. It's a five
Speaker 1: star movie, an absolutely wonderful that's a five star answer.
Speaker 1: M oh, Nathaniel Metcalf. You've been wonderful as before. In fact,
Speaker 1: you've been so good that I'm going to let you live.
Speaker 1: I was touch and go at some of that point
Speaker 1: as well. I was worried about some of its controversial Yeah,
Speaker 1: around little Women. There was a little jury going on
Speaker 1: in my head, a little life and death going on
Speaker 1: up there. So previ some of the edgy stuff that
Speaker 1: will be kind But you know, I do, I know,
Speaker 1: I really, I really feel bad about it as well.
Speaker 1: I feel bad about you're right too. I'm glad I
Speaker 1: know your new stand up show is called Nadaniel Metcalf
Speaker 1: Edge Lord, and a little previow there, but before I
Speaker 1: let you return to Earth for good, just in case
Speaker 1: something were to happen, and at some point you were
Speaker 1: to die again, and I'm not saying you will, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying you might. What DVD would you leave in
Speaker 1: your will? You're only allowed to leave one. It's very
Speaker 1: small bit of paper. I'm afraid what we're going to leave. Hey,
Speaker 1: what I'd leave then in my will to give people
Speaker 1: is films that I think they won't otherwise watch that
Speaker 1: I'll be like like I child, almost try and buy
Speaker 1: gifts of films. It's like, you won't watch this enormal circumstances,
Speaker 1: but hopefully if I give it to you, you'll be
Speaker 1: a step closer to you watching it. And really, a
Speaker 1: film I absolutely love and is in I think probably
Speaker 1: top ten films of all time for me, is a
Speaker 1: film that I think people think I like because I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of Anthony Newley, but I also like
Speaker 1: it because it's one of the best films ever made.
Speaker 1: And that film is The Small World Sammy Lee. And
Speaker 1: one time I kind of had a I had a
Speaker 1: pirate copy of this film and I'd give it to
Speaker 1: people for Christmas. I just had copies of it going.
Speaker 1: I'll just make copies of this and give it to
Speaker 1: people because I think it's such a good film that
Speaker 1: everyone ought to see it, but it feels like they
Speaker 1: probably won't otherwise see it because they go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get what that is, and it's like, you don't
Speaker 1: get what it is. You don't get what it is.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's a it's such a great,
Speaker 1: great film. It's a film about a guy who is
Speaker 1: he has in real time a day he works as
Speaker 1: a compare in a strip club in Steve Soho and
Speaker 1: he has to raise a huge amount of money to
Speaker 1: pay off gambling debts before the end of the day,
Speaker 1: whilst also keeping this burlesque show going, so he can
Speaker 1: only leave the club for ten minutes at a time
Speaker 1: when the girls are on stage, and he has to
Speaker 1: sort of pay Peter to pay Paul and sort of
Speaker 1: rob and steal and do deals in these ten minutes
Speaker 1: when the girls are on stage, whilst also getting back
Speaker 1: to the club. And you're watching this thing and it's
Speaker 1: so stressful to watch. It's what's the I've forgotten the
Speaker 1: name of it, The Uncut Gems, Uncut Gems. When I
Speaker 1: saw the trailer for that, I went, it's small to
Speaker 1: Sammy Lee, it's more to Sammy Lee. And I know
Speaker 1: that I saw a thing that Edgar Wright was a
Speaker 1: big he'd watched smaward to Sammy Lee. I think recently
Speaker 1: he was talking about it on Twitter, and then loads
Speaker 1: of people I think had done what I'd done and obviously,
Speaker 1: but what I didn't do because I'm not awful. I
Speaker 1: wasn't tagging in the Savdi Brothers into tweets saying mate,
Speaker 1: this is smaller to Sammy Lee. But I think he'd
Speaker 1: sort of had that power and mentioned it, going right,
Speaker 1: you guys have seen this, right, And genuinely I think
Speaker 1: they were like, no, what is it? And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's sort of weirder that they haven't seen it, But
Speaker 1: I dontally believe they haven't. But when you watch it,
Speaker 1: it's such a kind of it's like it's like a
Speaker 1: remake of Small Water, Sammy Lee. Really it's a great, great, great,
Speaker 1: great film. I want to watch that Modern Modica. That's crazy. What.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'd say watch that before more. Okay. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you should. I don't know if anyone
Speaker 1: should watch more. Okay. I just think it is one
Speaker 1: of those things where you go, I guess I'm a
Speaker 1: unique snowflake in the world. I am. I guess I
Speaker 1: guess that's who it's for. I guess I'm the one
Speaker 1: who it's for. The Venuel Makecalf. What's a treat you are?
Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like to tell people to listen
Speaker 1: to or watch or read or look out for or do?
Speaker 1: I would you know? Not really, you know, live your lives,
Speaker 1: have a lovely day to your standard, comes to your
Speaker 1: stad Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on at the hunt
Speaker 1: Left Comedy Festival in Wales on the first of May.
Speaker 1: On that weekend. There's loads of other things to see
Speaker 1: and also like as a recommendation, I can't even recommend
Speaker 1: it yet because it's not really written yet, but like
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm hoping, but like you know, it might
Speaker 1: be all right, but I cannot guarantee it. I think
Speaker 1: that's a pretty safe bet. It's a safe Vaniel Metcalf,
Speaker 1: I have nothing but love for you. Thank you and
Speaker 1: welcome back. I love you too, Brett. I'm delighted to
Speaker 1: see you after all this time, virtually and it's absolutely
Speaker 1: delight good evening. So that was episode one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety three. Head over to patreon dot com forward slash
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein for the extra, chat, video, etc. With Nat
Speaker 1: Goes at Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating,
Speaker 1: but right about the film that means the most to
Speaker 1: you and why lovely thing to read as the numbers.
Speaker 1: Ava Marien loves it. Thank you so much to Nat
Speaker 1: for doing the show. Go see his stand up. Thanks
Speaker 1: for Grupious Pipp and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Adam Richson for the graphics at least Aldam
Speaker 1: for Photogragraphy for the photography. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Come and join me next week or I've got a
Speaker 1: really good guest next week, like always, won't tell you who.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. Thank you all for listening. I
Speaker 1: hope everyone is well. Anything else we need to know,
Speaker 1: not really. I think that's it. So that is it
Speaker 1: for now. I hope you will have a lovely week
Speaker 1: and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
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