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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and I hope he had a good Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody out there listening had a good Christmas.

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Speaker 2: A heighty to tremendous Christmas. How about you?

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Speaker 1: It was good Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Steelers won. AFC was kind to them, some

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Speaker 2: good games, saw a lot of family, a lot of food,

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Speaker 2: all that good stuff. I hope everyone out of tremendous

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Speaker 2: holiday out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the U. The results of the weekend, well, let's

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Speaker 1: first talk about the results of the early weekend here

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers getting a big win over the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: It seems like forever ago, but it really does. It

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Speaker 1: was the Steelers' last game. Mason Rudolph goes out complete

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Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty seven passes for two hundred and ninety yards,

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Speaker 1: two touchdowns, no interceptions, hits George Pickens multiple times down

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Speaker 1: the field. He ends up with four catches for one

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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five yards, two touchdowns, and the Steelers

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Speaker 2: They really did the Bengals. They really did. I didn't

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Speaker 2: see that coming. I mean, obviously, the Steelers were on

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Speaker 2: a tough stretch there after. The three games before that,

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Speaker 2: Rudolph was very composed, very accurate, helped with the yards

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Speaker 2: after catch stuff. Obviously we always talk about that's a

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Speaker 2: quarterback stat as well as a receiver stat. Pickens is

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Speaker 2: a phenomenal talent, and frankly I was happy for him

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Speaker 2: after this past week and nonsense, Hopefully we can just

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Speaker 2: stop talking about that kind of stuff and talk about

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Speaker 2: football and what they do on the field for the

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Speaker 2: team and all that good stuff. Ran the ball effectively defense.

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Speaker 2: I mean I sold this from your your article. I mean,

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Speaker 2: three leading tacklers weren't on the team the day before

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Speaker 2: Halloween two months ago. Yeah, right, they weren't a camp.

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Speaker 2: They weren't. They weren't for Steelers, you know. So the

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Speaker 2: replacement level guys played great. I thought the Stars played

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Speaker 2: great as well on defense. So no, it was a

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Speaker 2: phenomenal win. And they really wasn't that competitive.

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't, you know, and you look at that

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Speaker 1: and Cincinnati's kinda they're calling timeouts and the Steelers continue

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Speaker 1: to throw the football. It's third and long and Rudolph

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Speaker 2: It's a definitely in half time, and it's a little

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Speaker 2: different feel, and you stop the bleeding a little bit.

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Speaker 2: If you're Cincinnati, you know, you're right. I think that's

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Speaker 2: kind of when Steelers stepped on their throats a little bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then the Bengals then hit the eighty yard

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Speaker 1: pass the Higgins. It's now twenty four to eight because

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Speaker 1: they get the two point conversion as well, and you

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Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Pickens, and it's just like not today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were landing all the punches and then they

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Speaker 2: hit you with a haymaker, and yeah, it staggered you

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Speaker 2: for a second, and then you just put them out

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so Steelers improved to a more in one

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Speaker 1: in the AFC North, the best division in the league. Best,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the best division in the league. And if

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Speaker 1: to the forty nine Ers when they played the AFC

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Speaker 1: everything's you know, equal, you know, all that stuff you

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Speaker 2: North, Yeah, and I did this leading up to the game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just the wins in this division are way

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Speaker 1: Might have the defensive player of the year in the division.

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Speaker 1: They are, and that was a much new to win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because now if Baltimore wins against Miami this

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Speaker 2: Yeah at home, Zack, same style offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's the exact offense. Basically, you're running the

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Speaker 2: Here Miami's in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, folks, Yeah, they're basically they're the same tree.

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Speaker 1: Uh. If the Ravens win that game at home, they've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm them, I don't care about the rivalry.

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Speaker 2: I'm not playing Lamar, I'm not playing Stanley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even I wouldn't worry about two weeks of rust

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Speaker 2: give them lub no, no, keep keep my studs off

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Speaker 2: Come with ten names. Oh yeah, play in that one.

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Speaker 1: But there's only somebody you can do that with, as

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Speaker 1: we you know, the Steelers, you still have that. I

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Speaker 2: The older guys. But no, the Ravens are in great shape.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Seattle is going to be a challenge.

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Speaker 2: the South is falling apart. It really is fell apart

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, just it really is. I you know,

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Speaker 2: I didn't either.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Atlanta might win the game, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone listens to my other outlets. My favorite bet

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville is a complete and utter mess right now.

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Speaker 1: He's getting ac joint spring now. He's not going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, and this so what you

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Speaker 2: In week eighteen, they're all division games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if each one of those teams loses a game,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers win their final two.

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Speaker 2: They're in there.

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Speaker 1: If Buffalo were to go to Miami also and lose, the.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the Steelers could could finish ahead of the

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure they're a better conference record.

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Speaker 1: In that case, they would Yeah, I would think right now,

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Speaker 2: Yet and of course other people benefit from the AFC

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Speaker 2: being acting the way it did. I mean, Cleveland's very

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're they're fun viewing teams. I'm

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Speaker 1: Well if you look at the this is the crazy

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't make any sense to me.

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Speaker 1: But I think I think Kansas City again, which they

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Speaker 2: Figer spread than Steelers in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: I did a show with Rob King earlier and he

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Speaker 2: mentioned if the Steelers win both games, they're a ninety

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Speaker 1: Probably. I mean that win both, they give them both,

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Speaker 2: short throws. And I thought those two and Porter really

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Speaker 1: Now, Matt. People might say, what do you mean locking

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Speaker 2: this stuff portered a big Higgins had a big game,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you look at it in that game

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Speaker 2: Six of them. When Porter went, if you would have

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Speaker 2: be targeted eight times, I would have told you, Well,

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Speaker 1: And it started down and he's going to andres.

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Speaker 2: live with it. That's fine. Yeah, You're not going to

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Speaker 2: late Metcalf's stepping up, and Metcalf's the guy they go

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Speaker 1: The the Yeah, Tomlin's sticking with with Mason Rudolff. Immediately

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Speaker 2: Was exactly what happened last week.

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Speaker 1: There was no intention of playing Kenny Pickett last week, right,

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Speaker 1: The beauty of it is is if so, here's so,

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Speaker 1: if you go with Picket in this game and he struggles, now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is just better a dynamic and development of

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Speaker 1: If this were if this were a game in October,

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Speaker 1: This is not about the long term development of County

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got the natural out. I mean I saw

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Speaker 1: Nobody wanted him.

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Speaker 2: He sat there for a while. I mean, that's a fact.

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Speaker 1: It's a fact it happened. If Mason Rudolf never had

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Speaker 1: it up to me at the time, no, I didn't

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Speaker 1: think so either. O.

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Speaker 2: Man, he's scooped up any But.

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Speaker 1: If Mason Rudolph, we're a free agent now, yeah, coming

442
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Speaker 1: off of it just this game Bengals, Yeah, this contracts up,

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Speaker 1: I think the perception would be different of him.

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Speaker 2: And I certainly think on Tuesday, December twenty sixth day

445
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Speaker 2: after Christmas, I'd be very interested in getting him to camp.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if what I'd tell him is my

447
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Speaker 2: opening that starting job for him. It's only been one game.

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Speaker 2: I don't think even have that conversation, but I would

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Speaker 2: like him to be a Steeler next year. Yeah, I

450
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Speaker 2: mean making nothing now, Yeah, he triple his contract. It

451
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Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt you.

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Speaker 1: He did everything that you wanted the quarterback to do

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Speaker 1: in that game, absolutely, and all the things that you

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Speaker 1: didn't there are none of the things that you didn't

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Speaker 1: want the quarterback to do. He converted first downs. I

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Speaker 1: mean they were on third downs. They were seven or fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd have to look at it, but it

458
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Speaker 2: sure felt like they were not in third, and they

459
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Speaker 2: were in third and manageable a lot of those four teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now that was largely you know, a lot of

461
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Speaker 1: that was because they ran the ball well exactly right, right,

462
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Speaker 1: But he also got the ball to the guys who

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Speaker 1: needed to get the ball. He moved the chains, you know,

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Speaker 1: beyond just the stuff to pickens. They were taking away

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Speaker 1: Pat Fryermove. They were not going to let Pat Frarmouth

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Speaker 1: beat them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not doing the same thing as last time.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I'll throw the ball to Alan Robinson

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Speaker 1: four times for thirty six yards and get some easy

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Speaker 1: first downs that way.

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Speaker 2: I've been a little hard on Robinson just because I

472
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Speaker 2: think he's a separator at this point. But he had

473
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Speaker 2: a really good game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna play a zone like that, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna sit down on the zone, and he had a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of killer blocks. Yeah, I mean there was a

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Speaker 2: couple of that stuff too. I mean we could. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk at more about the game, of course, but like

479
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Speaker 2: Warren and Robinson and Washington as well as the old

480
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Speaker 2: line did some really good block in this.

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Speaker 1: Game too, they really did. We're going to get to

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Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williams, and I am Dale Lelly.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: you some good Steelers gear.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Sam Bridy a couple of bucks might have done that.

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Speaker 2: Turned that into Steelers gearh.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Ye, so Matt you mentioned this earlier in the show,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers three leading tacklers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: In the game against the Cincinnati Bengals were Michael Walker,

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Speaker 1: Eric Rowe, and Miles Jack. Number four was Levi Wallace.

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Speaker 1: Number five was a Landon Roberts.

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Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah, I mean not what you thought, right,

504
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Speaker 2: and they won the game. They won the game, and

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Speaker 2: you pointed this out. I mean those top three were

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Speaker 2: not Steelers the day before Halloween. I mean, these are

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Speaker 2: new additions.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You've brought this up many times too, and I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think the NFL deserves some credit for this too

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Speaker 2: with these expanded best thing has happened since COVID in

512
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Speaker 2: the league because he's expanded practice squads. You can put

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Speaker 2: some veterans on there. They can get on a slower

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Speaker 2: moving train. You know, they've been around the block, and

515
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Speaker 2: it just makes for a better product as opposed as

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Speaker 2: having non NFL players out there. But you know, credit

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Speaker 2: to the front office and the scouting staff.

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Speaker 1: You also have to be willing to put those guys

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Speaker 1: on your practice guys have to be willing to take

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Speaker 1: that back seat and say, Okay, they're not making much

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Speaker 1: money or no, right, I gotta go out and practice

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Speaker 1: every day. I'm a guy. I mean Miles Jack he.

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Speaker 2: Was hired, retired, I'm done playing football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sitting on his couch. He said he was,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing the you know place or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: they called him up as talked him into coming back

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Speaker 1: out and doing it again.

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Speaker 2: Here did he have some quotes that you know, like, boy,

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Speaker 2: I was mean of the most snaps of all the linebackers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did not expect that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think he was. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 2: was not He's not in shape, but I mean first

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Speaker 2: game back in a long time. I think he was

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Speaker 2: dragging a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was onto his third and fourth wins and point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. I don't to get Patrick Peterson credit.

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Speaker 1: To Yeah, I mean he played well.

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Speaker 2: He might be a safety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think if he's smart and they're smart,

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Speaker 2: you bring him back next year as a safety, Rod Woodson,

542
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Speaker 2: Charles Woodson and put him in the mix. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that's what he is at the stage of

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Speaker 2: his greer.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, we we were chatting back and

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Speaker 1: forth during the games last yesterday and you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers need to have three good safeties on the

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Speaker 1: back end. I think they got two of them on

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Speaker 1: the roster now.

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Speaker 2: Is assuming he's willing, which I think he would be,

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Speaker 2: and he certainly is a head for it. He's big enough,

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Speaker 2: he'll tackle take the ball.

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Speaker 1: Imagine having him and if Fitzpatrick on that defense.

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Speaker 2: And maybe a third round pick or something, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean another We won't get down that road, but folks,

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Speaker 2: you will get sick of me talking about how I

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Speaker 2: want a really strong, big nickel package. But if I

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Speaker 2: thought they had one of the three, and maybe they

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Speaker 2: have two now, and yeah, another veteran leader. I mean

560
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Speaker 2: he's under contract.

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Speaker 1: He's under contracted, you know. And it's not a killer contract.

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Speaker 2: No, No, you know, you can very manageable. Yeah, he

563
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to play every snap like he did last

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Speaker 2: week if you had three, but if he's full time

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Speaker 2: safety as opposed to being thrust into it, and how

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Speaker 2: many great inventions have happened because you had to try it,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it wasn't exactly the plan. It's

568
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Speaker 2: been kicked around a little, but I think it could.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it all when the when the Steelers

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Speaker 1: first signed him. I want that guy with his eyes

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback as much as possible.

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Speaker 2: Which is what he did with the Vikings last year,

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Speaker 2: and took the ball away a lot. I mean they played,

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Speaker 2: they led the league in zone coverage. I mean he

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Speaker 2: did it really well, and he took the battle ball

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Speaker 2: away a lot. Now, it was a night. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not taking any away from Peterson, but when when.

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Speaker 1: I mean that, you or I could have got that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was Browning's lack of arm strength.

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Speaker 2: It looked like he was trying to just didn't have

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Speaker 2: enough juice, you know. I mean his feet weren't set

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Speaker 2: most quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: He had to do was throw it sideways. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to throw it down the field. You just throw

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Speaker 1: it out of Boulence. You're out of the pocket again

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Speaker 1: being chased by t J. Watt.

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Speaker 2: No, of course, what was a game rerecord in that

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Speaker 2: one too?

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Speaker 1: I mean, so is he the defensive player of the year.

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Speaker 2: That one?

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Speaker 1: Listening, I'm watching the Browns game, the lead up to

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Speaker 1: the Browns game on Sunday, and the reporter who's interviewing him,

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Speaker 1: Kimberly Martin. I believe it was before the game, Miles,

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Speaker 1: people are talking about your so called sack drawt of

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Speaker 1: four games. Well, now it's first of all, a quarter

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Speaker 1: of the season without a sack is not a it's

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Speaker 1: so called drought.

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Speaker 2: It's a drought.

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Speaker 1: It's what And he's now gone five games without a

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Speaker 1: yes or either.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Watt's getting mentioned enough by the national media.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know who else was Garrett is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's all Garrett.

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Speaker 1: It's all Garrett all the time.

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Speaker 2: And if you look at his stats, they're not the same.

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Speaker 1: They pale, and I mean it's not even close close.

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Speaker 2: It used to be close. When they met the last game.

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Speaker 1: A month ago, it was close. And Garrett has done

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Speaker 1: nothing in the last month, I know. And then you

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Speaker 1: know Stefancy comes out, well, he's you know, he's the

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Speaker 1: best player on the best defense in the league. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know if they're the best defense in the

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Speaker 1: league because that one might have played last night in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean it's actually the defenses that are

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Speaker 2: playing the best are like the Bears and the Raiders

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Speaker 2: and Miami. I mean, teams that haven't been that way

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Speaker 2: start to finish. I mean, Cleveland's good. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they've.

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Speaker 1: Even Cleveland has been. I mean, if you went through

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Speaker 1: it and looked at it, who what team has played

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Speaker 1: more backup quarterbacks this year than the Browns? They faced

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Speaker 1: like seven of them?

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Speaker 2: Have they been super lucky? Yeah? I knew they were

625
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Speaker 2: leading into the Steelers game. I haven't paid attention since.

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Speaker 2: But no, that adds up.

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Speaker 1: Get another one on against Houston on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. I don't understand why

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Speaker 2: there's not more discussion about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are just seating it to Miles Garrett. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: like it's his turn, he's due, and honestly, I mean

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Speaker 1: his numbers are just not even pale in comparison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I think Watt is more deserving.

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Speaker 1: I think he used to. I mean, you know, I'd

635
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Speaker 1: have told you Fred Warner should be in a conversation

636
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Speaker 1: before last night too.

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Speaker 2: And now, yeah, I think some of the Niners Ryan obviously.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's bad taste in it. It kind of

639
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Speaker 2: feel bad like if that game happened the Niners a

640
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: week three, nobody would care and everything else.

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Speaker 1: They still talk about it, they would, but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, like party wouldn't have been blown out. I mean,

643
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: and Warner weren't just blown out with their chances, but

644
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Speaker 2: matters now and that's a national stage against a great opponent.

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Speaker 2: So those guys aren't winning those awards. No, No, I agree,

646
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Speaker 2: And I think Lamar locked up MVP if he especially

647
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Speaker 2: if he beats the Dolphins. Yeah, I think that's done

648
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Speaker 2: because he'll rest of Week eighteen, and even if he doesn't,

649
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Speaker 2: I don't know who could catch him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, realistically, you could have the NFL

651
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Speaker 1: MVPV coming out of the defensive MVP one way or

652
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Speaker 1: the other.

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Speaker 2: Probably one of those two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who else it would be.

655
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: I mean, Bos Parsons, Crosby.

656
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: Parsons had a chance to really lock it up as

657
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: well on Sunday.

658
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: And some of those guys have blown our doors off. Yeah,

659
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: you know, Bosa was unbelievable last year, but I mean

660
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: not he's a lesser player, but it's his resume is

661
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: not as strong as good as the Ravens d is.

662
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: There's not someone there, maybe Roquan.

663
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: Maybe, but Christian Barmore.

664
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: He's been really good, but yeah, yeah, not to that

665
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: level though, to that level, right, it's not Aaron Donald.

666
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know who else it is. Yeah,

667
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: I mean to me, it's a two horse race if

668
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: horse is better, right.

669
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this this idea that well, it's just it's Miles

670
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Garrett's award to win. I don't see it's.

671
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: It's people talking like that for a month or maybe

672
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: all year.

673
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Really all year. Yeah, going into the season, they already

674
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: given Miles Garrett.

675
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: You know, and that was my pick, you know when

676
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: we did awards. I think I think it's his year.

677
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: He's hitting his prime. I think this defenseve coordinator will

678
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: help him more around him. That doesn't mean he earned

679
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: it now. You know, you don't give these things out

680
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: in the preseason.

681
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: No, you don't. And you know I get it. Their

682
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: defense has played well, sure, but to you know, when

683
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: I watched them on defense, I sees this there, Zadaria

684
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: Smith making as big an impact as Mile Garrett. And

685
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Zadaria Smith for Defensive Player of the Year.

686
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think Watt has He would get

687
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: my vote as impartially as I possibly could today.

688
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm just just looking straight at what's there.

689
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the resumes.

690
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: If I put put both resumes up and said player

691
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: A and player B, who would you vote for?

692
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: Everybody?

693
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: Everybody would take what.

694
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would take what so amazingly if he gets it,

695
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: him and Lamar would would win their respective awards. What

696
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: out of three or four years between the two of them. Yeah,

697
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: like wow, I mean that doesn't happen very much.

698
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: No, but it just shows you how good this division is.

699
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: And you know, right now, the Steelers sitting third place

700
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: in the division. You know, we'll see that that probably

701
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: holds up. Probably I don't see them, you know, in

702
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland has to win one more game the rest of

703
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the year, and they probably will, and then they probably will.

704
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: I get Flaco credit. And what a game Mary Cooper

705
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: had too, I mean, unbelievable.

706
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Flacco's played well. Yeah, I can't take that away from.

707
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty excited if I were the Browns. They

708
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: didn't have to run the ball. I mean, they're in

709
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: a good place. I don't really think they're a contender contender,

710
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: but they're in the best place they've been all year.

711
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, if if if Cleveland has

712
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: to go into say Kansas City or Jacksonville.

713
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: Frankly, if Buffalo went there, I would pick the Bills. Yeah,

714
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: or I don't. I don't think they I'd probably pick

715
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: them against them in Miami as well.

716
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we'll get to see that Bill's Miami

717
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: match up in a couple of weeks anyways, and that

718
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: could be for the division title.

719
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was talking about Crowns in Miami A playoffs.

720
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Also, you could still win that division.

721
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they definitely could if.

722
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: They win their last two and Miami loses.

723
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: And one of them is against each other. Yeah. I

724
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: don't know who Baltimore or Buffalo is this week, but

725
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a tough one New England Okay,

726
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: I know they did lose them earlier.

727
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, in New England, they're going to be fair.

728
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they probably win.

729
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: I think it's like twelve points.

730
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: So if which of course it ever does. But if

731
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Vegas odds holds up and Baltimore beats Miami and Buffalo

732
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: beats New England, that games for the division title, correct,

733
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: and probably both are in.

734
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: They're probably both in.

735
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: Has Miami clinched a spot, yes, so okay.

736
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would both be because Miami Miami clinch. So,

737
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: but Miami could go from being they could go from

738
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: being the second or third seed to like the sixth

739
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: to like the sixth or seventh.

740
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, no, that would be fun. That's

741
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: that's a fun division to play out, much better than South.

742
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And while Miami did get their win over a

743
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: team with a winning record, you know it was they

744
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: lost Jalen Waddle. He's got a high ankle spreen.

745
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a missed time.

746
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss multiple weeks, I think.

747
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

748
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: And then you know their offense is just unless everything

749
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: is perfect for them.

750
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that that because I don't know. They

751
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: have a lot of line Injuri. So yeah, defense is

752
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: carrying the team right now, which is surprising.

753
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Which is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. But that's where the

754
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Steelers have set themselves up here again. You have to

755
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: go to have to go to Seattle. Win this game matters.

756
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: If you could have gotten to win in one of

757
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: those two games at home for that right.

758
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't long be Indy in there, but I

759
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: would Arizona in New England, that's.

760
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: Really the New England game was eminently winnable Arizona. Their

761
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: offense was playing well with you know a lot of

762
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: bad things happened at Yeah, a lot of bad things

763
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: happened the New England game. It was right there to win.

764
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: You know, you had fought your way back twenty one

765
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: eight team New England did nothing in the second half

766
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: of that jow.

767
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: You were the better team as the game was ending.

768
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

769
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd love to replay the one of them.

770
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a decision here again, if Trubisky takes the

771
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: field goal as opposed to you know, if if you

772
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: check it down there, you probably win that game.

773
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: In over you probably do.

774
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: You probably do, and now you're in great shape.

775
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how those league works. I mean every

776
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: team in the league has a couple of those moments.

777
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Bills are looking at like, what were

778
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: we doing?

779
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, that's the league right now.

780
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: That's the league.

781
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: That's the league as it's currently constant. I mean we

782
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: sat here last week. Allow the forty nine Ers are

783
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: easily the best team in the league.

784
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I keep them in the top three, probably

785
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: the top two. But that was not a good and

786
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: they got their butts cake last day and second half.

787
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you when your quarterback when you throw

788
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: five interceptions.

789
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so real quick, this really applies to Steelers.

790
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: But there's kind of like a GM saying that no

791
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: matter where your team is, and if you're a GM

792
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: of the team, you're in charge of all that, which

793
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: is a bigger job than just drafting players. I mean,

794
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: it's a much bigger job that gms will say to

795
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: each other, no matter where we're at, even just just

796
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl or we're three games away from

797
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: a mutiny, no matter how good things go. The Seers

798
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: saw this and it's three games. I mean, the Eagles

799
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: are going through this right now, even though they just won,

800
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Like Seattle just went through it after losing the good teams, Like,

801
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't care what perception is. You lose three in

802
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: a row. No matter what happens, stuff starts to get

803
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: toughly quick and the media is on you, and you

804
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: know it's people aren't giving your thumbs up in the

805
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: grocery store anymore. And fire this guy, kill this guy.

806
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I mean, like, and the Seiers just overcame that a

807
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, they put those fires out, and

808
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: every team deals with the three game losing streight.

809
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: Well that was that was kind of the main focus

810
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: of my ten thoughts after the game that you know,

811
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: people were questioning whether Mike Tomlin does it. Does his

812
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: message still resonate in that locker room because he's reaching

813
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: these guys. It doesn't seem like they're losing these games.

814
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: He's lost the locker room doesn't look like that to make.

815
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: It look like, I mean, it went out there and

816
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: blew the doors off of the Bengals who had were

817
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: coming off a three game winning streak themselves.

818
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean they were talking about those teams

819
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: could have been going any different direction at kickoff. Yeah,

820
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: you know it should have sat pickings and you know,

821
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: all this stuff like what he did worked.

822
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's part of having your finger on the

823
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: pulse or your team knowing which guys need to kick

824
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: in the butt. Yeah, and which guys you got to

825
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, you got to bring and put your armor

826
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: on their shoulder and say, hey, this isn't what we

827
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: want to do.

828
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or maybe Cam Hayward needs to talk to this

829
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: guy and I don't, or his position coach is perfect

830
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 2: for this guy, or you know, I mean everyone works differently,

831
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: and I do think that's possibly Tomlin's greatest strength.

832
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: Yea, knowing how to handle that jeels. Yeah, within a

833
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: fifty three man locker room, it's really sixty five man

834
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: locker room, ye, sixty seven whatever it is. Now that

835
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: with the expanded practice change is week.

836
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: To week and day to day, and it's a living organ, you.

837
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Know, holding this together like this. You know, we know

838
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: now Landon Roberts is going to miss this game this week.

839
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: They might get makea Fitzpatrick back. There's a chance of that.

840
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: Uh, he's get one extra day to prepare for along

841
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: road trip.

842
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: We'll see about Trenton Thompson as well. You know, he

843
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: and make and Fitzpatrick are both considered kind of questionable here,

844
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: uh going into this.

845
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: We'll see how much they're able to practice this week.

846
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: But so who we call on the starting linebackers and

847
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: safeties nowadays?

848
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: I would guess it's Michael Walker and Miles Jack.

849
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: And Peterson and uh.

850
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: Row Eric Rowe right now?

851
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: As we said here, who would practice with the Warrens

852
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: right now? Yeah, not what we expected.

853
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Not what we expected. But it's again to the point

854
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: we had in the in the previous segment. It's not

855
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: like you're throwing some you know, seventh round rookie out

856
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: there and saying okay, here you go, or some guy

857
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: you didn't draft and major roster.

858
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: And it's not Mark Robinson last year. Yeah, rookie season,

859
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: see what you can do in the NFL.

860
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Or some you know, some guy playing safety who never know,

861
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: this is my first NFL game, Like, oh, they're throwing

862
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: the ball over my head.

863
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: Peterson will understand it. Yeah, I mean, I guess there's

864
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: a quote from Rod Wood. Forget who I was talking

865
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: to that. It was interviewing Rod Woods, who you made

866
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: that trade or made that move, and you probably were

867
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: involved in us too that I think Rod said it's

868
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: much easier to go from corner safety the other way around.

869
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is.

870
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just just the nature of the position. Yeah.

871
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Smart, if you're smart and you know that, you understand

872
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: the defense, what the idea, what the offense is trying

873
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: to do against you as well.

874
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, are different, the views different, all that, but going

875
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: the other ways almost impossible.

876
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, carneld Lake did it. But yeah, I can't

877
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: think of anyways. We're gonna get to another break. He

878
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lallie. You're listening to

879
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: the drive. You're on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back

880
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: with more right after this. Welcome back. He is the

881
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: Matt Williams and I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive.

882
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: You're on Steelers Nation Radio, and Matt, we always see

883
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: these and this this will change over the course of

884
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: the next three months or so. But Matt Miller on

885
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: ESPN put together his prospects with the first round grades

886
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: in this year's draft. It's not thirty two. There'll be

887
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: thirty two players selected in the first round, but he

888
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: he rates it right now as we sit here at fourteen. Now.

889
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: I think last year he was like, he's about normal.

890
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: That's about normal. I think at some points it fluctuated

891
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: last year. I think he was seventeen or eighteen by

892
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: the time the draft came around, after the workouts and

893
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: everything else, and these first round pick the declarations, guys,

894
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: guys stay in, guys, pull back out.

895
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be a surprise.

896
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: So I thought we'd run through this, yere and figure

897
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: and take a look at this. He has three quarterbacks

898
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: with first round grades, correctly, Caleb Williams number one.

899
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: I bet more than three go but it's not what

900
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: he's saying. Here are first round grades.

901
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: So Caleb Williams number one, Drake may at number seven,

902
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: seven player, Yeah, and then Jade and Daniels at eight.

903
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think any one of those guys will

904
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: last to number eight. That's not what he's saying, or

905
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: he's not predicting where they.

906
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: That's where he has them ranked in terms of their

907
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: overall talent.

908
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy for Michigan is probably next on the list.

909
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: If he wins the next two and looks great, maybe

910
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: he'll be fifteen, you know, so he's one to keep

911
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: an eye out.

912
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: Running back none, yeah, none, wide receiver.

913
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll be a first round running back.

914
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: Maybe not even a top fifty guys.

915
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

916
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: I bet there's a lot of receivers.

917
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: Four that's pretty good in his top fourteen.

918
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good.

919
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're looking at Marvin Harrison, who's his number

920
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: two overall. Douneza from Washington is his number nine, Malik

921
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Neighbors from LSU is number ten. That's up, and Keyon

922
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: Coleman from Florida State is number eleven.

923
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Bigger guy.

924
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: So I mean that's four in the top eleven.

925
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: Four in the top eleven. Yeah, and I bet there's.

926
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: There'll be six or seven wide receivers in the first round.

927
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other Ohio State dude, other LSU dudes, the other

928
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: Washington game. Yeah, there's a lot this year. It's a good,

929
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: good receiver draft, and that might be where Siers go.

930
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: Who knows.

931
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. At tight end it's Brock Bauers at number six.

932
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll go. He's a first rounder all day long.

933
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle is three. The top fourteen you're looking.

934
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: At for shaw New definitely. The top two are yeah at.

935
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: Penn State, Joe Alt from Notre Dame. Those are three

936
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: and four overall overall, and then Tyler Geyton from Oklahoma

937
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: is his number fourteen.

938
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Because there's Latham from Alabama, there's Mems at Georgia. There's

939
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: several others in the Pac ten that are all strong

940
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: first round considerations. I didn't know who his third would necessarily.

941
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: So those that would be his final guy. He has

942
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: a first true first round great.

943
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 2: On so that's his last one though. Yeah, So he's the.

944
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: Borderline interior offensive lineman none, Yeah, I wouldn't think so.

945
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: Edge rushers only two, only two. Dallas Turner from Alabama's

946
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: is number five and late too, Lay two. Lay two

947
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: from UCLA is number twelve.

948
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: So he doesn't have Verse from Florida. State or Choppa

949
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: Robinson from Penn State, Okay.

950
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: And then defensive tackle he has won Cherson Newton.

951
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: Not a great year for detackle. No, Frankly, this might

952
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: be a year for the Steelers to kind of sit

953
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: that out.

954
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got some young guys on your roster. Yeah. Yeah.

955
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: Linebacker none probably none. Yeah, cornerback none.

956
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: There should be a lot of first But that's surprising

957
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: census number one. Yeah, Okay, I'm half surprised by that

958
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: because there's always a corner and you know, first round grade. Yeah.

959
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: If we're going to sit here today, as we sit

960
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: here on December twenty sixth and say there's not going

961
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: to be a cornerback taken in the top fourteen picks,

962
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: I'll even say top top fifteen picks.

963
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: The first I definitely would say there is.

964
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: I would say there is too, yeah, because it's always.

965
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: Exactly what he's saying. He's saying, there's not a graded

966
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: one there, you know.

967
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Now, that's the one position I think once we get

968
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: to the combine and all that stuff, I think changes

969
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: might sort itself out. Somebody goes out and runs a

970
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: four to three five and you thow, I didn't think

971
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: he was that fast.

972
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't claim to be an expert, but there seems

973
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: like there's four or five that I would better strongly

974
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: considered for the first round, all of whom have size.

975
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Maybe one of them runs a four to three flat

976
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: and becomes the next one on this list.

977
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: Well, here's who he has, Here's what has him rated here. Okay,

978
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: so he has Terry and Arnold from Alabama at fifteen,

979
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: So he just missed, he missed. Yeah, kool Aid mckissory

980
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: is number twenty one from Bama. Then you also have

981
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: joining them in the top thirty three, which means they're

982
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: probably going to be first round draft picks, Clemson's Nate

983
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Wiggins at sixteen. He has Iowa's Cooper de John at

984
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: number twenty. He has Missouri's Enis Rakestraw at number thirty

985
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: and George's Kamari Lassiter at number thirty three.

986
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: So I think Corner again as a state.

987
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: If we're if we're talking, what's the Steelers' first round

988
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 1: draft pick going to be.

989
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: Corner's guys go to Shaws any I would.

990
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I had to put a dollar down and

991
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: say that it's probably going to be that position, that

992
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: would be the one that would.

993
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: Pick, yeah, especially because of this, Like, let's say none

994
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: go in the top ten. Two of those are off

995
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: the board. I mean, let's say Steelers pick somewhere between

996
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty four or fifteen and twenty four. I mean, just.

997
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Randomly, you're gonna get one of those guys.

998
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna get one of them, and probably one

999
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: of the ones you wanted.

1000
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll probably have your You'll probably have your pick

1001
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: of two.

1002
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: Or three that you like, yeah, or three or four

1003
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: that you like. Yeah, And so it's not so bad.

1004
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: That sets up pretty well. Yeah.

1005
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: So when people were talking about the Steelers need tanks

1006
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: so they get a better draft pick, who do you

1007
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: taking Because you're not getting one of the top tackles,

1008
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: you're not getting the top two guys.

1009
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: But I think you could get some of the tackles

1010
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: we mentioned that or that Oklahoma guy, uh, Geiton maybe,

1011
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: and I mean Geiton Latham, Jeorge Mims, some of the

1012
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: others will be in that neighborhood of the draft.

1013
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1014
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: But I think I'm not saying tanking dudes does get

1015
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: any good No, I mean, I mean it's I don't

1016
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 2: think it matters the tackle you take at twelve versus

1017
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: tackle you take at eighteen or twenty two is going

1018
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: too much different to me?

1019
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: Cornerback's a much bigger need.

1020
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: I tend to think so as well. I mean, but

1021
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: maybe they signed one or I mean a lot of change,

1022
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: of course.

1023
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean that'd be expensive, but just I mean.

1024
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: You laid it out well there with the article backs

1025
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: it up that wide out corner tackle is deeper than

1026
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: usual and any would be a welcome edition here. Yeah,

1027
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: I mean as it stands right now.

1028
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: Safety none, sure, and that's still a lot. That's the

1029
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: list two safeties which you could use one of those two.

1030
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not terrible idea either. Ladybug's coming to get you.

1031
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Looking here, he's got his number thirty

1032
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: one overall on his board.

1033
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: Is Troy.

1034
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: Or not or for yeah, Patanu from from Washington tackle.

1035
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: So that's only four in the top thirty one tackles

1036
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: that he has.

1037
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: Okay, he tackles doesn't have Memban then, no, okay, most

1038
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: people I've seen.

1039
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: Do well, he has uh what I say there?

1040
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: He has four tackles in the top.

1041
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has get and he doesn't have the other guys.

1042
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, most have sixs or so in the first round.

1043
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Well, they'll go in the first round because they go earlier.

1044
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: Oh, they definitely will.

1045
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's the planet theory. Yeah, but that doesn't

1046
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: mean you necessarily need to take one that are No.

1047
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: Not necessarily No. But his I will say his rankings

1048
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: seem a little different than most. I mean that I'm

1049
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: shocked he doesn't have Mems or Laithan in his top

1050
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: thirty one. But maybe it isn't like yeah as much.

1051
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why we do.

1052
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: This, or it could be some of the other positions

1053
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: are so good. He might have eight wide receivers in

1054
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the top thirty two.

1055
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: Receivers, Yeah, I mean from what do you have three

1056
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: or four in his top fifteen.

1057
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean he had what do you have six defensive

1058
00:45:52,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: backs in the in his top thirty three? All corners Yeah, one, two, three, four, five, Yeah,

1059
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: six six in his top thirty three. I've don to

1060
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: leave a lot for everywhere else.

1061
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: No, No, And they're all in the back half of

1062
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: his top thirty three.

1063
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because pushing those tackles down into the second round potentially,

1064
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: But that won't happen.

1065
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: No, it won't happen, And there'll be quarterbacks who go,

1066
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I bet there's at least four in the

1067
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: first round.

1068
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: There might be four in the top ten good or

1069
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: top twelve at least absolutely, because there's enough teams out

1070
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: there looking for quarterbacks that again, you start pushing some

1071
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: of these guys on the board. The Steelers might have

1072
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: their choice of the you know again, if he has

1073
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: six six cornerbacks rated in his top thirty three, they

1074
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 1: might have to pick a four of them.

1075
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: The other thing too, I mean, this is just one player,

1076
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: but I could see the de tackle Newton because it seems.

1077
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be for everybody.

1078
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it's for everybody, but I think it's

1079
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: pretty clear he's the best in a bad class.

1080
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could.

1081
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: Maybe he goes five picks high earlier than he should. Yeah,

1082
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: to a team, it's a man, I need to get

1083
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: ad tackle and I don't want to wait for the second.

1084
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to pay one.

1085
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay one. Yeah, and if the

1086
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: Steelers aren't in that market, love to see him go,

1087
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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, So it seems possible.

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Speaker 1: This draft kind of sets up well for them so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think receiver to tackle and especially corner

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Speaker 2: for where they're the neighborhood are going to be picking

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Speaker 2: and there'll be options.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll do more of that as we get

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Speaker 1: on down the road here. But he put that out today,

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Speaker 1: so I thought we'd talk about it today. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we'll revisit that as he updates that thing throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of this whole process and draft a lot. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. That's going to do it for our

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Speaker 1: number one of the drive. We'll be back with our

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Speaker 1: number two right after this.