1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: for tuning in for those of us in the crowd 4 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: who celebrate Easter, Happy Easter in classic Ridiculous History fashion, 5 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: we are getting to you a little bit after the 6 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: actual thing. Cuckuckatube, cuckuckutchew. Indeed, I'm the eman m h 7 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: uh is the cuckoockachew replacing the rah. 8 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna try a different one on for size every 9 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: now and again, But no, uh, cuckoock tube. Often I 10 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: thought for the years I thought it was cuckoo kachow. 11 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: It is in fact googoo goojub and it refers to 12 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: the wait, is that true? It is true. It's googoo goojube. Yeah, 13 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: and refers to a total boop for thirty three years now. 14 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I know same. 15 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: I think I saw it printed or something where I 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: watched Magical Mystery Tour and the subtitles were on. I 17 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: was like, what's that then? But you know, and of 18 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: course you're referring to the egg man. He is the 19 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: egg man. What's that about? It turns out that the 20 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: origins of Easter are about as nonsensical as a Beatles lyric. 21 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: Well that's that's a shout out to our super producer 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: Max the Eggman Williams. I am Ben Bullen with me 23 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: as always is the one and only the man the 24 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: myth legend, mister Noel Brown. And we are talking about Easter. 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: It's been on people's minds for a while. I recently 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: sent you guys a text as a as a Christian. 27 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: To be clear, I am always perplexed by Easter, by 28 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: the religious syncretism involved. And I sent you guys a 29 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: text when I was I can't say specifically where, but 30 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: I was. I was out of Atlanta and I saw 31 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: someone dressed up in the Easter bunny garb. And what 32 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: I love about Easter in the United States is it's 33 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: like a new seasonal cryptid just dropped, you know, totally. 34 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it's a living too. You know. 35 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: There are people that I've actually got a dear friend who, 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: for a period of time was a mall Easter bunny, 37 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: which is, you know, a way to make some seasonal 38 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: scratch question, guys, is Toturo of my neighbor Toturo fame 39 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: a bunny? 40 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: I would you know, I don't like to put creativity 41 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: in a box. 42 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: Fair And just for the record, this is an audio 43 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: pod because I am holding up a little figurine of Toucho. 44 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: I actually have these nesting dolls of the lovely Miyazaki character, 45 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: who to me has always appeared to be a giant 46 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: hair rabbit bunny of sorts. But to your point, Ben, yeah, 47 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: he's much more of a cryptid in his own right. 48 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: But what's what you know? We should talk about that. 49 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk about a bunch of things that the hair 50 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: pagan is and maybe we start with the pagans. Huh 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: they kind of were first to market with this stuff, right. 52 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, spoilers, Noel, Yeah, I love it. Let's 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: as r Palmax says, hop along to the history of Easter. 54 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: So if you grow up in the United States in particular, 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: wherein every holiday is monetized or commercialized in some way, 56 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: then you know that Easter is one of ridiculous histories, 57 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: most baffling holidays. It moves around in the calendar, right, 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: like how we're always startled when Thanksgiving happens and we go, 59 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: oh snap, it's that Thursday. 60 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: Which is I'm sorry, just again for the folks playing 61 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: along at home, which Thursday of the month is Thanksgiving again. 62 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: Fourth it's the fourth we it's the fourth one. And 63 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: it took us this show to learn that in our 64 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: personal lives, which I clearly have not internalized. Just for 65 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: the record, it's okay, man. I think we have an 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: emergency group text that we send out once a year 67 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. 68 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: Advance is the one we also send around the link 69 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: for the YouTube video on how to tie a tie 70 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: when the time and it becomes necessary. 71 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: So so Easter is similar to Halloween, similar to Christmas. 72 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: It is a culmination of ancient religious practices, schools of 73 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: spiritual thought that did not did not always vibe together. 74 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: You don't know, you get to the heart of the 75 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: matter here, or you get to the yoke of the 76 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: egg here with the pagan idea. So let's go to 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Penny Travers over at the ABC Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 78 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: Penny Travers is such a dignified sounding name to me, 79 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: I don't know I like it. 80 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: I gotta be honest. When I was writing this brief, 81 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: looking ato a couple of sorts I could find, but 82 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: when I saw one of them was source by Penny Travers. 83 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, that's what we're using, rather Penny Travers, 84 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: but it has an air of authority to it. 85 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: And Penny points out that in Australia, much like in America, 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: on Easter Sunday, there's this idea of almost in Santa 87 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 2: Claus fashion, a creature of sorts delivering candy and chocolate 88 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: eggs and perhaps brightly colored heart boiled eggs two homes 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: across the nation, and poses the question of how in 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: the hell did this seemingly bizarre tradition come to be, 91 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: and then points out, well, actually, as it turns out, 92 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: Easter began as a pagan festival celebrating in the northern 93 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: Hemisphere far before a little old thing called Christianity needed 94 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 2: to kind of co opt this whole season. 95 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, because these celebrations are based on the passage of time, 96 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: the movement of the Earth in a larger context of 97 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: the heavens. Right, so equinoxes, solstices. As you're hearing this, 98 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians, there is a solar eclipse on the 99 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: way to you don't miss it, and make sure you 100 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: get your glasses. Make sure you get your eclipse glasses. 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say, parents Williams. They are actually heading to Indianapolis. 102 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: See to get that totality. 103 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: I've only just really found out that that was such 104 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: an important part of it. I guess I've never I've 105 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: only ever seen any eclipse from the less cool vantage point. 106 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: But I think there are some places in Kentucky I 107 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: think that qualify as well as as Little Rock, Arkansas. 108 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: I have a. 109 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: Friend who is going, like literally doing an eclipse trip. 110 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: But you know, I think the eclipse is a perfect 111 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: analogy of that battle between light and darkness, you know, 112 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: which if you look at it from the perspective of 113 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: survival throughout the ages, you know, darkness kind of represents 114 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: cold and the smothering you know of a livelihood perhaps 115 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: or of you know, crops and things like that, and 116 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: the light, of course represents growth and life, and all 117 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: of life exists as somewhat of a continuum between the two. 118 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: So I think it's an interesting thing to celebrate because 119 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: it is very much like a lot of the ancient 120 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: civilations we discussed in the show. It's almost a worship 121 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: or a giving thanks for that balance and the hopes 122 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: that we won't be plunged into eternal darkness and gold. 123 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, since prehistoric times, before the before the humans began 124 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: to write their stuff down, everyone realized that there were 125 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: certain predictable cycles to the passage of time. And let's 126 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: go to University of Sydney professor Carol Cusack, quoted by 127 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: Penny Travers. Because I know you guys like hearing me 128 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: say the name, Carol Cusack said, quote, the spring equinox 129 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: is a day where the amount of dark and the 130 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: amount of daylight is exactly identical. So you can tell 131 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: that you are emerging from winter because the daylight and 132 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: the dark I've come back into balance. People mapped their 133 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: whole life according to the patterns of nature, So there's 134 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: this concept of celebration of spring. However, as we earlier 135 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: established and shows like stuff, they don't want you to 136 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: know the life. The narrative of Jesus Christ echoes these 137 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: earlier learnings, right, there is a time of darkness, a 138 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: time of death, at a time of rebirth. The concept 139 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: of Easter as a Christian holiday is in the long term, honestly, guys, 140 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of recent. It dates back to the fourth 141 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: century CE, the three hundreds, right. 142 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: According to a website called Cheffin. 143 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: Around mid three hundred eighty, Christianity was increasing in popularity 144 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: in Rome, then the center of the world. In three twelve, 145 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: the Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity, which, as we know, 146 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: was a big deal and put an end the ongoing 147 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: persecution of Christians. But you know, he as we often 148 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: see with cultures that are trying to kind of convert others, 149 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, sort of subsume the history and practices of 150 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: other cultures. You kind of got to ease them into 151 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: it a little bit at the very least, kind of 152 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: what's that word been where you kind of have a 153 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: feature that reminds you of something old, like in design skewmoorph. Yeah, skewmoorph. 154 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: This is kind of a skewmoorph where they're like, Okay, Pagans, 155 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: we'll keep to your schedule here that you recognize, but 156 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little different, but it'll still have that, 157 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: you know, that familiarity to you. And then before you 158 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: know it, you won't even be Pagans anymore, and you 159 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: won't even realize how it happened. 160 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: You were always worshiping our God, you just didn't have 161 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: the right vocabulary to do so right, So that's that'll switch, yeah, 162 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: very much, beat and switch and so okay, here's here's 163 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: how it goes down, and we'll get into the origins 164 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: of the name, the etymology. We love etymology here, so 165 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: shout out ishtar and oste and so on. So in 166 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: three twenty five CE or a d is the Vatican 167 00:10:53,040 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: prefers the boffins at this new thing called Christianity. They 168 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: assemble something called the Council of Nicea. And these are 169 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: the folks who decide that the celebration of what they 170 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: call Easter should fall on all right, everybody listen closely 171 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: the Sunday after the first full moon of the spring equinox. Yikes, 172 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: that'll be easy to track. It'll be super easy to track. 173 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: What could go wrong? We got it. It's a rotating holiday. 174 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: It's based on a lunar calendar, which secular folks don't 175 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: practice in the modern day. 176 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: No, and maybe there are some folks out there that 177 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: are more attuned to these kinds of celestial movements and 178 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: be like, yeah, it is easy to track, but to me, 179 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: it just seems like you could lose track of it 180 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: real quick and it could be sort of up for interpretation. 181 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: That's all I'm getting at there. 182 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: And so there was like a marketing thing. They were like, hey, 183 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: let's tie it to our messiah, right, death, birth, renewal. 184 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: That's right. 185 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: So they do that very thing, Easter Sunday is born, 186 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 2: and they really link it with those symbols that you mentioned, Ben, 187 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: and the idea of Christ has risen, you know, he 188 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: has risen. Indeed, this is an example of what you 189 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, Ben, religious syncretism. And now we're gonna get 190 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: into that etymology we teased a little bit. According to Britannica, 191 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: the English word for Easter parallels the German word Austern 192 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 2: is of very uncertain origin, and I believe is it Austern. No, 193 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: isn't that like East? Yeah, yeah, think of think of 194 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: like Oriental. I guess that's right, Yeah, one hundred percent, 195 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: so Austern. But the origin of that, you know, the 196 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: actual etymology is a little uncertain. But of course when 197 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: we have on certain origins, that usually means we've got 198 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: a lot of ideas. And one of these ideas came 199 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: from somebody with an Austin name. First I thought it 200 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: was just the venerable bed in the eighth century but 201 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: his name actually apparently was Venerable with a capital D, 202 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: and he believed that it was derived from basically also 203 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: probably pronounced Ulster or e Austre, which is e O 204 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: s t r E and e O s t r 205 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: a E, respectively, which was the Anglo Saxon goddess of 206 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: spring and fertility. 207 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: Which itself descends from another previous god. I mean, there's 208 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: there's a really interesting point here, and our friends of 209 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Britannica are aware of this as well. The views of 210 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: this eighth CE century historian that we're quoting, or philosopher 211 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: that we're quoting, has an assumption inherent. It's the idea 212 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: that Christians appropriated pagan names and holidays without necessarily understanding 213 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: the providence of those festivals or their cultural importance. They 214 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: saw the similarities they wished to see. We would call 215 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: this cherry picking in the modern day. And you know, 216 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: it's weird. There's a paradox at play because Christians in 217 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: the early days and indeed in the current evenings were 218 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: very opposed to the idea of paganism. Right, there's the 219 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: one true God. They are not multiple gods. We're not polytheistic, 220 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: says Pope Yeah. 221 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: There's the whole thing about like the people that went 222 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: down to worship the Golden Calf and all of that. 223 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: And I mean they're made examples of if I'm not mistaken, 224 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: in the Bible, aren't they like, you know, the worshippers mollok, Yeah, 225 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: they're like taken out by you know, and like Sodom 226 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: and gomoor on all this stuff. Like anyone that is 227 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: perceived as being pagan is perceived as being in some 228 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: way against God. Or if you want to listen to 229 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: an episode about the history of the Antichrist, check out 230 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: stuff they don't want you to know where we talk about. 231 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: Is it the Antichrist or just being anti Christ is 232 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: just a bad vibe. 233 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so the idea. Now, scholars will largely agree 234 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: that the word Easter derives from a Latin phrase aldus, 235 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: which was the plural of alba, which is just dawn, 236 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: right like albatross named for a bird. That that's a 237 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Latin thing, and it translates through Old High German, which 238 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, descends into German and modern English. We also have, 239 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: by the way, for anybody listening along, who's sell braids 240 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: passover in place of Easter. Guess what, It's still the 241 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: same human celebration of resurgence, of survival. Basically, so Latin 242 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: and Greek Pasha comes from the French word for easter, popways, 243 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to go too far into the Hebrew. 244 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: The point you need to know is that the word 245 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: Easter definitely doesn't come from the Bible nor the Torah. Yeah, 246 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: and it's a tricky holiday, you got it. 247 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: What is it? 248 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,119 Speaker 1: The first full moon, the first Sunday after the full first. 249 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: Full moon of the after the equinox, or of the equinox. 250 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: I believe right, Bet. I think you have also been watching, 251 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: at the very least seen some of the show Showgun 252 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: on FX, which is really good. It's like a really epic, 253 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: you know, sweeping kind of Game of Thrones, ask historical fiction. 254 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: It's no dragons, it's real. But one thing that I 255 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: found really fascinating, and I maybe hadn't seen it portrayed 256 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: quite this clearly in other media, was just how like 257 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: many of the Japanese willingly converted to Christianity, you know, 258 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: and Catholicism, and that certainly is the case in other 259 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: parts of the world. And I think there's something to 260 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: this religious syncretism that almost is like kind of built 261 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: into the ministering or the like you know what's the 262 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: word when you go on a mission trip to kind 263 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: of make it hey, check it out, it's just like 264 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: your thing sort of you know, right, It makes it 265 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: an easier sell or. 266 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 1: Some evangelize to proselytize. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is 267 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: this is a hard cell. It's a toll milkshake for 268 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: some of the Christian Christian missionaries in times past. When 269 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: someone says, okay, I get it. You had a crazy 270 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: good sales pitch. So when do I celebrate this Easter? 271 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: And that's when the missionaries say, oh yeah. 272 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 3: Funny thing. 273 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: We've got a weird schedule for this one, right yeah yeah. 274 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: And where the two calendars kind of collide, right. 275 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: Right, right, yes, when worlds collide, when religions collide. So 276 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: there are multiple good explanations of why this thing happens. 277 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: This long story, short and happy occasional birthday to our 278 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: pal Max Williams. Sometimes his birthday does occur on Easter 279 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: because birthdays in Max's tradition are based on the Gregorian calendar. 280 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: But Easter is a Christian holiday, Easter is a Pagan 281 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: holiday wearied a Christian jacket, which is why it floats 282 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: around in the calendar. 283 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: And that is because the actual date of the spring equinox, 284 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: can you know, has a little bit of wiggle. 285 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: Room a couple of days or so on either end. 286 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: The Catholic Church, however, created a fixed date of March 287 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: twenty first to define it, known as the Ecclesiastical Equinox, 288 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: and the full moon that occurs just on or after 289 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: March twenty first is known as the Pushall or Pascal 290 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: full moon, and that I think it must be push 291 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: All because it derives from a Greek and Latin word pasha, 292 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: which is referring to passover. So that means that you 293 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 2: start to see why this can get a little bit. 294 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: Confusing, and you have a bit of a. 295 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: Arrange rather than an actual solid date of when Easter 296 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: can fall. And a lot of this had to do 297 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: with the clashing between the Gregorian calendar and the Julian calendar. 298 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go to well, well, let's talk in 299 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four terms, twenty twenty four most of modern history, 300 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: and going forward, you're going to find the date of 301 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: Easter anywhere between March twenty second and April twenty fifth. 302 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: And this is all because our pal Max if we 303 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: get a sound, cute heavy g himself, Pope Gregory thirteen 304 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: he instituted the Gregorian calendar, and a burst of humility, 305 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: he named it the Gregorian Calendar. It goes into effect 306 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: in fifteen eighty two, and Easter is most likely to 307 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: fall on April sixteenth between then between fifteen eighty three 308 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: and the year three thousand, three thousand. But again you 309 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: see it floating around. But why why this hub up 310 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: man gets it gets even more complicated. 311 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: You can leap your brain right now, bro. 312 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm glad you brought that up, Noel, because there 313 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of people practicing Christians who do not 314 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: use the Gregorian calendar. If you're Eastern Orthodox, and shout 315 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: out to you fellow ridiculous historians practicing this, you use 316 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: the Julian calendar, the preceding calendar for your holiday observations, 317 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: which means your Easter can be between April fourth or 318 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: May eighth. If you convert it to the Gregorian calendar, 319 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: it's like Celsius and fahrenheit. If I was an alien 320 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: landing on this planet, I would be like, why just 321 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: pick pick a day, just pick like the same day. 322 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: It's complicated, but it wasn't always. So it's been a 323 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: complex matter for thousands of years because they're trying to 324 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: reconcile I would say, the intricacies between the solar and 325 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: lunar cycles, which are ultimately the calendars of humanity. 326 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: And I gotta say, I mean, I still I've been 327 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: in conversation just with friends. I'm like, so we shud 328 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: an episode on leap here and I still don't really 329 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: understand how it works, And they're like, what it's the gist. 330 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, I this is I'm gonna try to compact. 331 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just the idea of a mistake that 332 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: was made long ago that, if left unchecked, would cause 333 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: all of the recorded stuff from history to not be 334 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: in a discernible schedule. 335 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 3: Let's just say, like, we couldn't we couldn't call. 336 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: Out dates and have them line up with dates that 337 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: other people think things happened. 338 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: On, right, right, Okay, cool, I guess maybe I do 339 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: get it. 340 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: And to jump in here, I mean it is also 341 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: important to remember the reason they've changed with Julian calendar 342 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: for the Greg Gordan calendar was to make sure Easter 343 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 4: did end up, that's right. 344 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: So so that's why this is so important because you know, 345 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 2: this is where how power, religion and functional things that 346 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: affect either the non religious of us all completely intersect. 347 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: It's like network programming. You don't want competing programs, right. 348 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 4: And see here's the funniest thing though, was the the 349 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 4: error between the Julian calendar and greg Goran calendar was 350 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: so much smaller. 351 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: Than other eras had ever been. 352 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: But it was just this one motivating factor because it 353 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: it was like ten or eleven days off. But you 354 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 4: remember like when they went from like the Roman calendar 355 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 4: to the Julian it was like months off and they 356 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 4: were just randomly putting more days in that time and stuff. 357 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: I remember, I was there. It was terrible. It was 358 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: also hilarious. It was back in the day. I mean, okay, 359 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: let's get to the big question. Guys, our fellow ridiculous historians, 360 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: some of whom may have had to wear rabbit costumes 361 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: today or this past weekend, they're wondering, what's the deal 362 00:23:52,359 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: with the rabbit? Also, what's to deal with the eggs? 363 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Why is there this anthropomorphic rabbit that hides eggs that 364 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: are oftentimes not human or not. You know, actual eggs 365 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: or plastic eggs now with little treats inside them. 366 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: Why is that a thing? 367 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Is that what Jesus Christ would have wanted? 368 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: I think? So? Who to say what he would have wanted? 369 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 3: Just likely that, as anything else. 370 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: He didn't shout it out too much. But we have 371 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: the answer with the eggs. 372 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: We certainly do. 373 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: And you know, even without doing the research, you can 374 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: kind of figure out a little bit of why this 375 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: might have been. What is it? What did the Pagan 376 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: version of Easter represent? What does the Christian version of 377 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: either Easter represent? It's all about rebirth, you know, it's 378 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: all about new life, right, and what better to represent 379 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: that than with a. 380 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 3: Little low egg. 381 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let us keep in mind, for anyone who's 382 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: read the fantastic book Watershipped down the Hair the rabbit, 383 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: the prints with a thousand enemies, the primary evolutionary, the 384 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: primary evolutional like adaptation of the rabbit is not to fight. 385 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: It is to reproduce. It's the word to breed like 386 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: rabbits the other f word just so, and so it 387 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: is no surprise that for a long time the egg 388 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: and the rabbit have represented to humans, the idea of reproduction, 389 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: of thriving, of rebirth and birth in general. So we 390 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: know this because during the Neolithic Age in Europe and 391 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: indeed Central Asia and the Near East, you would find 392 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: burial sites with ancient humans who have been buried with 393 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: rabbits with hairs, as they would call them Europe, as 394 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: a way of symbolizing a passage, a rebirth, a resurgence. 395 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: And then if you go the Neolithic Age was a 396 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: long time ago, it's like the way we look at 397 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties now, so stop it. 398 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: It's weird. 399 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: It's true though, So over a thousand years after the 400 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: Neolithic Age, during the Iron Age, we would see that 401 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: there was this high regard for rabbits. You wouldn't eat 402 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: a rabbit due to its religious significance. At least people 403 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: like Julius Caesar talked trash about people in what we 404 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: call Britain today. It was like, what these guys don't 405 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: even eat rabbits because he got some weird religion about him. 406 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 3: You ever eating rabbit as you have? Yes, I have. 407 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: It's good lean. It definitely has a good what do 408 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 2: they call it, a gamy kind of quality to it. 409 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, they're big boys. These hairs, too, were sacreds. 410 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: To Aphrodite, the goddess of Love, said, there present fertility, 411 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: fleet footedness, and I guess just general kind of I 412 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: don't know life, because they are such vital creatures. Aphrodite's 413 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: son Arrows, was often depicted carrying one around like like 414 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: a familiar I don't think, slung over his shoulder like 415 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: a carcass, as a symbol of unquenchable desire. And in 416 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: the Greek world throughout the Renaissance, you often see hairs 417 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: depicted in art as symbols of that kind of you know, 418 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: vitality and sexuality, as well as in literature. The Virgin 419 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: Mary actually in this era often is seen with a 420 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: rabbit in tow. 421 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's more about. 422 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: I believe, overcoming desire and and sort of having it 423 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: in check. 424 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a white that's her white hair, and 425 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's cool. There's this symbolic shorthand throughout Western 426 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: visual art, right depicting these things. We should get Oh, 427 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: we should do an episode on why there are weird 428 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: snails in Western art? Why there are you know, like 429 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: harnospash alone, you know that's a cool thing we should 430 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: look into the You nailed it with the idea of 431 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: rabbit as shorthand for virility or the dedial thereof. What 432 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: we see though, is that the connection between this rabbit, 433 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: this bunny idea, and the concept of Easter comes much 434 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: more recently. It isn't until like the fifteen sixteen hundreds 435 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: in Germany that we see the idea of children hunting 436 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: for Easter eggs hidden by the easter rabbit. So that 437 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: like it sounds as though it is very very distant 438 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: in history, but we have to recognize that in the 439 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: larger context that is quite recent. You can see written 440 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: accounts from England around the same time that also mentioned 441 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: this Easter rabbit, and they talk about, uh, not just 442 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: hunting Easter eggs. They talk about hunting actual hairs, actual rabbits, 443 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: and then eating them, consuming them at Easter. 444 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 445 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: This is where we go to something called the hair 446 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: pie scramble. 447 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: The hair pie scramble. We're gonna get the eggs. 448 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: It's nice, I know, dude, We're gonna get into some big, 449 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: some serious scrambles later. But the moment I heard that, 450 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, is this some kind of like 451 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: rabbit frickasy for tata situations. 452 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 3: I'm on it. Oh please. 453 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: By the way, can I just say that, you know 454 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: the there's a musical called Hair spelled h a I R. 455 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: And it's about like hippies, you know, in the sixties. 456 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: There's also a musical about a giant rabbit that is 457 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: an imaginary friend. I believe it might have started off 458 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: as a as a player. 459 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 3: A movie and that was made into a musical. 460 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: For the longest time, I confused those two and thought 461 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: Hair was the one about the giant rabbit, and it's not. 462 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: I think it's Harvey. Sorry, Harvey is the giant rabbit. 463 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: Hair h A I R Is about hippies. But today 464 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: we're talking about the hair pie scramble, which was held 465 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: at halitin a village in let's call it let Leicester Share. 466 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: I think that's right in England, of course, and that 467 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: involved eating a pie was made with hair meats, but 468 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: no eggs, no, no scramble while people kind. 469 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: Of I don't know, fought it out for a piece 470 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 3: of the pie. 471 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were quote unquote scrambling for a slice. And 472 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: just as people of yesteryear fought against what they saw 473 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: as the pagan traditions of Halloween or other harvest festivals. 474 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: There were local religious authorities who were fighting against the 475 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: current celebration of Easter, which again, as I said at 476 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: the top, has been very commodified and monetized. In seventeen 477 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: ninety there was this English guy, he was a parson 478 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: over at Halton, and he said. 479 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: Oh, what's old isting? 480 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: You guys gotta stop eating these you gotta stop scrambling 481 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: for this rabbit pie. This is not what Christianity is about. 482 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: And everybody said, boo boo, unto you put him in 483 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: the pie, put him in your ploy. And the custom 484 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: continues to this day. 485 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: Dude, I'm sure you all have heard of the idea of, 486 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: like you know, in the I guess the more dark ages, 487 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: the idea of making live birds into a pie, or 488 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: putting birds into Of course, there's that four and twenty 489 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: black birds. I saw a thing about it on Instagram 490 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: the other day and it occurred to me, wouldn't those 491 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: birds just like crap all in the pie and just 492 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: like render it completely inedible just for the purposes. 493 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: Of a look at the beds. 494 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we usually starved them before we put them in 495 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: the pie. 496 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: You did, you and your what cadre of Illuminati. 497 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: The four and twenty. 498 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: No, no, but no, this is these kinds of This 499 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: is a very old English type stuff here. 500 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: It's almost like a cakewalk, but ther it is. Yeah, 501 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 3: like that, I mean a little bit right. Yeah. 502 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: And this idea of eating the hair, it's sort of 503 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a way to navigate and approach mortality, is 504 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: it not like the eating of the hair the fantastically 505 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: reproductive animal? You could just associate that with folk traditions 506 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: of scaring away witches at Easter. With a shout out 507 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: to Todd Thompson t O. K. Thompson for Smithsonian Magazine. 508 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: You can see there was this long standing belief that 509 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: a witches, warlocks, whatever you want to call them, would 510 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: shape shift and take the form of a hair and 511 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: do what we would call Dennis the Menace level mischief. Right, 512 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: They would steal milk from your cows. They they would 513 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: also you know, I guess it's weird to think of 514 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: this in the same way you would think of were wolves, 515 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: right or unsealy totally the fair folk like they would 516 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: they would apparently hop into your house undercover night. We're 517 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: an audio show, so I'm doing like a little rabbit. Hot, 518 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: he's got a little little hoofs you know, a little good. Yeah, 519 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: he's he's floppity for evil. And they thought these witches 520 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: would suck out the life energy of sleeping people and 521 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: deliver unto them some sort of infection, a sickness, possibly 522 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: a contagion. 523 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: So if you're. 524 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: Eating the rabbit, then you might be eating a witch. 525 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: You're taking their power. 526 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me that chuop Ofcabra a little bit, 527 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: the old goat sucker. 528 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a little bit. 529 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, like a lot of these 530 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 2: kind of fables or folkloric kind of explanations of phenomena. Uh, 531 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: there's a lot of commonalities between cultures in terms of 532 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: like the types of things that are trying to be explained. 533 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah. 534 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: And if we if we look at this context, then 535 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: what we find is the idea of the spring equinox 536 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: is symbolically in opposition to the idea of uh, life 537 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: draining or death or mortality, the witches, the hard winter, Uh, 538 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: the what is it? What do they call it in 539 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: Song Device and Fire Game of Thrones? I think maybe 540 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: just the long night? Yeah, there it is, Yeah, yeah. 541 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: But again, we talked about this at the top, that 542 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: this struggle between light and dark and heat and fire 543 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: and ice and all that stuff tale as old as time, classic, 544 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 2: you know, fodder for these sort of like massive epic tales. 545 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: And it's because it all dates back to the idea 546 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 2: of you know, kind of fearing, like living in a 547 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: time where you weren't sure if the lights were ever 548 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: going to come back on, and just praying that they would, 549 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: and that usually involved worshiping some sort of deity, and 550 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 2: these crafty Christians just sort of co opted all of 551 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 2: this stuff and replaced you know, some sort of light 552 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: and darkness or winter and summer deity with good old 553 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ to kind of represent it it all. 554 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 3: It was sort of a catch all for this stuff. 555 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 2: Like you said before, these folks knew it, folks who'd 556 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: been practicing other kinds of religions. 557 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: They were Christians, they just didn't have the words. So 558 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: let us take over your country and extract all the resources. Look, 559 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: history is long, it is continuing. If you are listening 560 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: to this show today, then you are one of the 561 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: authors of what people will call history in the future. 562 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: And with that we must acknowledge that the celebration of 563 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: Easter is indeed a global phenomenon. Noel Max, what if 564 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: we end today's episode with some shout outs around the 565 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: world to celebrations of Easter, because just like Christmas, just 566 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: like Halloween, not every country nor regions celebrates Easter in 567 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: the same way. 568 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 2: Right, And you know, we let off today with some 569 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 2: excellent perspective from an Australian writer whose name we love, 570 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: Penny Travers. It turns out in Penny's country there is 571 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: a tradition that is designed to raise awareness for the 572 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: dwindling population of one of these one of myriad bizarre 573 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 2: at least, you know, to us looking creatures, wonderful, you know, 574 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: stuff that seems like it belongs that of a fantasy novel, 575 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: something called the bill b which is a tiny marsupial 576 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 2: whose numbers have been in danger, and so chocolate tears 577 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 2: in Australia have taken to instead of an Easter Bunny, 578 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: they're rocking the Easter Bilby and crafting chocolate into you know, 579 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: little effigies, I guess edible effigies of these little rabbit 580 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: sized creatures. 581 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: Love it, love it. And if you are still if 582 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: you're still caught on the eggs. Folks, if you're like guys, 583 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: I've heard too much about rabbits today, I need some 584 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: eggs in Easter. Then you want to go to France 585 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: on the Monday after Easter, whichever our king time that is. 586 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: In your neck of the woods. There is a town 587 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: called ho Haux and they they will make are a 588 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: gigantic like Guinness World Record level omelet. Four five hundred 589 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: eggs into this pan. They make an omelet. They serve 590 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: over one thousand people every year. Each family contributes. They 591 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: crowdsource this. It's a beautiful thing. They break the eggs 592 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: in their home in the morning, they gather in the 593 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: main square. They make this omelet. And if you've never 594 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: been to France, if you've only had an omelet in 595 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: one country, got to tell you the top, the top 596 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: level omelet technology in the world is France and Japan. 597 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 2: They really love their eggs in France and Japan. They 598 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 2: also I swear the best of another thing that I've 599 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 2: ever had in my life came from France, and that 600 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 2: is but my friend, unbelievable butter. 601 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 3: They got there. 602 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 2: But you know, there's so many different types of eggs 603 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 2: and I always have found it interesting and a little 604 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 2: morbid maybe that these symbols of you know, life and 605 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 2: these literal vessels of life are just devoured. Uh, And 606 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: it's totally fine. In fact, the case in point here, 607 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 2: it's actually almost like a respectful ritual, you know, that 608 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 2: honors life by literally consuming it. I've always kind of 609 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 2: felt there was a component of like, let's take in 610 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: the life force of. 611 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 3: These things, you know, into our bodies. Mm hmm. 612 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: That's why, uh, that's why we love it. Ortologue. 613 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: Oh god, I could never My fear of birds prohibits 614 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: it alone. But oh really quickly, so I had to 615 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 2: add the bilby that we talked about from Australia. 616 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like ma Adeeb. 617 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 2: If you've seen the New the New Dune movie, where 618 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 2: Madib is the name that Timothy Channamar's character takes on, 619 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: it's this little little desert mouse that kind of looks 620 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 2: like a little mini kangaroo with big ears. 621 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 3: And that is what the bilbie looks like. 622 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: And if you're ever on an Easter egg hunt in Greece, 623 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: you may notice something that I would not as a 624 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: color blind person. All the eggs on your East egg 625 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: hunt in Greece are going to be colored red or 626 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: like gray for me, because red is the color of life. 627 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: It as such is a representation of the blood of 628 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, and that's that's where they're further syncretizing the religion. 629 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: We also we also have a crime wave in Norway. 630 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: Every Yeah, well, you know, they love we. We all 631 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: love not we, but folks. 632 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 3: Love their true crime. 633 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 2: They love their murder mysteries, both real and fictional, and 634 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 2: Norway is no different. Television channels run a lot of 635 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 2: crime specials and you know, morbid stuff like that. And 636 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 2: also it is a peak time for the publication of 637 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 2: new detective novels. Just around Eastern you going to see 638 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 2: like a whole cavalcade of these type of procedural crime 639 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 2: novels coming out. I don't really understand the connection there. 640 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 2: Maybe once again, it has something to do with that 641 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 2: birth and death cycle and they have decided to go 642 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: with the death part of it. 643 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: That's so metal. 644 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 2: Norway knows how to get metal. It was something about 645 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 2: milk cartons I believe as well. 646 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah. 647 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: The milk cartons will carry short like flash fiction detective 648 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: stories in place of a missing person that. 649 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 3: Have been abducted for demonic rituals now days. 650 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: And we don't we don't get the milk carton Uh, 651 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: we don't get the milk carton stories anymore in the US. Yeah, 652 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: and this was this, this whole phenomenon is uh. It 653 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: originates in crime novel from nineteen twenty three set on 654 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: the Bergen Railway. What we're saying is there's a ton 655 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: of fascinating history about Easter, and we have so much 656 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: more to explore. In the meantime, you can check out 657 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. We have a 658 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: YouTube video called the Surprising Origins of Easter. We have 659 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: not delved into the full mythology leading to the Christian 660 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: interpretation of this holiday, but we hope you had a 661 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: good one. Whether or not you celebrate, people are a 662 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: little bit nicer around holidays. 663 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 3: I find, you know what I mean, like people a 664 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 3: little bit cooler. 665 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's been in the back of my head, 666 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 2: this whole conversation. I haven't brought it up, but I'm 667 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 2: gonna just make it my last thing. 668 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 3: Set that fire. 669 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 2: It's just kind of interesting to me that somehow both 670 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 2: the secular versions or I guess Tremont of both Christmas 671 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 2: meaning Santa Claus kind of egregious commercialism, gift giving and 672 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 2: all that, and Easter just bizarro Easter bunnies and chocolate 673 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 2: eggs and dyeing, you know, hard boiled eggs and all 674 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 2: this stuff that comes along that are kind of also 675 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 2: embraced by hardcore Christians. Like there's part of me that 676 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 2: would think that the real you know, christianist of the 677 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 2: Christian would kind of eschew a lot of that stuff 678 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 2: and sort of turn their nose up at it. But 679 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 2: it seems to me, at least from where I stand, 680 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 2: that they're all about those aspects as well, maybe because 681 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 2: they think it's a way of getting people into the fold. 682 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 2: You know, you start by being attracted by the Easter 683 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 2: egg hunts. The next thing, you know, you're a mass 684 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 2: I don't. 685 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, And you know that goes into the idea 686 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: of social autonomy and the individual's interactions with a group, 687 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: which makes me sound like a crazy academic, which perhaps 688 00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: I am. 689 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 3: You're not crazy. 690 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 2: You've got a background for sure a bit, but I 691 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 2: just wonder, you know, all along the way and this chat, 692 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: it's kind of been like this is almost feels to 693 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 2: me like it still could be looked at as recruitment tools, 694 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 2: you know, much like the whole religious secretism was about 695 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 2: getting people to you know, come over to their side 696 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 2: religiously speaking without fully. 697 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 3: Realizing what it meant. 698 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering if, like, maybe Christians are cool 699 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 2: with all this stuff, A because it's fun and be 700 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 2: because it sort of sometimes gets people in the door. 701 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 702 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see youth group folks. 703 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,919 Speaker 2: Hey, I remember going to youth group for the free tacos. 704 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 3: That's why I went to youth group. 705 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: Sounds cool. Yeah, We've got we have so much more 706 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: to explore. We also have We also have some commentary 707 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: that me interests you about the secular origins of the 708 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: depiction of Santa Claus, which is coming up on a 709 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: future episode about cartoons and propaganda. Spoil is but do 710 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: never do. Please tune in, uh and maybe we'll do 711 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,439 Speaker 1: it etymology of the phrase spoilers. I think it would 712 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: take us about six minutes. But with that, we want 713 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: to give a big thanks to everybody's tuning in. We 714 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: hope that you had an excellent weekend, whether or not 715 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: you celebrate some derivation of Easter. We want to let's 716 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: see Noel. I guess we got to think. First off, 717 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,479 Speaker 1: we got to thank our super producer research associate mister 718 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: Max Williams. 719 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 2: And of course Max's brother Alex, who composed this theme. 720 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 2: I like to thank my personal Lord and Savior JC. 721 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad he has risen, he has risen. Indeed, I'm sorry, 722 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 2: I'm joking. I grew up in the church. I'm allowed 723 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 2: to make those jokes, and we never you know, poopoo 724 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 2: anybody's religious beliefs. Your religious beliefs are your own. This 725 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 2: is just such an interesting trajectory. Somehow we ended up 726 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 2: with people in bunny costumes. We're standing on the side 727 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 2: of the road waving at cars, which I just saw 728 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 2: the video, he said, it is more than a little unsettling. 729 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: I'd also like to thank everybody dresses up in a 730 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: big rabbit costume. It means the world to me when 731 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,760 Speaker 1: I see you all on the streets. New seasonal Cryptid 732 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: just dropped. That's how I feel about it. Big, big 733 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: thanks to Bahamas or aj Bahamas. Jacobs the puzzler. 734 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 2: Soon to be appearing right here on your regularly scheduled program. 735 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: A Catching Old Brown making an appearance on his show 736 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: as well, The Puzzler. Big big thanks, of course to 737 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland aka The Twister. I got a cat in 738 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: the way, keep it in next, Big big thanks to 739 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland ak The Twister, famously the guy who will 740 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: show up as an adult at children's Easter egg hunts 741 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,879 Speaker 1: and compete with them. 742 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks. 743 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 744 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.