1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: of Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Yeah, 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: ready to be amazed, wizard weird. This is a strange thing. 11 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I am Joshua de Warren, and each week on this show, 12 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, 13 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 14 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: lot more. On this edition of the program, I interviewed 15 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: a real exorcist. Now, what is the real story with exorcism? Well, 16 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: you guys know how I am and that I always 17 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: do my best to get to the truth and keep 18 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: it simple. Well, let's give it a try with this subject, 19 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: shall we. One of the world's most famous exorcists is 20 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Bishop Brian Willette. He lives in Georgia here in the 21 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: United States. I met him in two thousand eighteen when 22 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: we were both on the set of the Ghost Adventures 23 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: live TV program on the Travel Channel Halloween Night. Okay, 24 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: that was a live broadcast, and in fact, if you're 25 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: a fan of the TV show Ghost Adventures, you know 26 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: exactly who he is. Uh, you know what. He and 27 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Sister Mary Jane formally blessed me that night, the first 28 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: night I met them, blessed me with holy water along 29 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: with Darren Evans, and that is just a wonderful memory, 30 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: a great introduction to him and his work. Bishop will 31 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Let hosts a podcast called Vestiges after Dark, and he 32 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: recently interviewed me on his podcast, a terrific discussion about 33 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: aliens and lots of other weird things. If you haven't 34 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: heard it, you should definitely go back and listen Vestiges 35 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: after Dark. That's his show. Well, Bishop Wilette has become 36 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: a friend over these years, and I've planned for a 37 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: long time to have him on this show so we 38 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: could have a blunt, frank discussion about the truly controversial 39 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: topic of demonic exorcism. Now, as a brief bio for you. 40 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Bishop Brian will Lett is a semi retired auto cephalis 41 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: Catholic bishop. And yes, I had to look up the 42 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: word auto cephalis and I've published books with Simon and Schuster. 43 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: It basically means independent. Okay. So he's a semi retired 44 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: auto cephalis Catholic bishop and exorcist for the Old Roman 45 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: Catholic Sacred Order of St. Michael, the archangel Order of Exorcists, 46 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: also currently offering private instruction and gato Zen meditation, mysticism, 47 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: prayer and Christian esotericism. He is currently the Presiding Bishop 48 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: of the Holy Nicolaean Catholic Church and you should go 49 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: visit their website. It is Esoteric Catholic dot org. You 50 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: know esoter E S O T E R I C. 51 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: Esoteric Catholic dot org is the website. And also I 52 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter of course, and his Twitter handle 53 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: is at Exorcist Bishop. That's pretty cool, at Exorcist Bishop. 54 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, he is. He's a warm soul who has 55 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: just helped a lot of people over the years, and 56 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean people in the most desperate stages of life 57 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the rope. So without further Ado, 58 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: let's just jump right into my recent conversation with him 59 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: about who he is and what real exorcism is truly 60 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: all about. Bishop will Let, I wasn't raised Catholic, thus 61 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't have an organic understanding of how the Catholic 62 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: system works. So please, in the simplest way, help us 63 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: understand your relationship to the traditional Catholic Church. That's a 64 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: good question, at a loaded question, um, but I can 65 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: do my best to try to simplify it. Essentially, Catholicism 66 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: is the more ancient form of Christianity, perhaps the most 67 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: ancient form of Christianity. It's a liturgical system, um, and 68 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: it has a very strong mystical and spiritual side um. 69 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: That is I think what attracts me to it, and 70 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: certainly others as well who find themselves looking for something deeper, um, 71 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, have that mystical aspect to their own spiritualities, 72 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: but also happened to uh find value in the Christian worldview. 73 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: So Catholicism sort of answers that. That does Orthodoxy as well. 74 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: But you know, you could really kind of say they're 75 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: two sides of the same colin Orthodoxy is more of 76 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: the Eastern flares of the Church and then the Western 77 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: Churches of course Catholicism UM. But you know, as it 78 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: always is in you know, after two thousand years, people 79 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: start to disagree with the direction um the religion goes, 80 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: and UM it led to various schisms. So the first schism, 81 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: of course, was the ten fifty four schism that broke 82 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: the um the four Eastern Churches with the Western Church, 83 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: and the four Eastern Churches became the Orthodox Churches, and 84 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Catholicism became the well, the only Western Church UM. And 85 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: then over time, of course the Protestant Reformation UM, and 86 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: then after that UM there were even breaks within Catholicism 87 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: itself where there were people that did not agree with 88 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: certain administrative decisions that were being made by the Vatican UM, 89 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: but at the same time still felt very much connected 90 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: to everything else that was Catholic. And so this, uh, 91 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: this was another schism you know, happening in Europe UM, 92 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: and over the course of the last few hundred years 93 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: became what is now known as the Old Catholics or 94 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: the Old Roman Catholics. And the Old Catholics started well, 95 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: now having been completely separated from Vatican authority. The bishops 96 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: in the old in the Old Catholic Schism could now 97 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: ordained and consecrate whoever they wanted without having to seek 98 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: permission from the Vatican. So that created an entirely new 99 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: series of bishops that otherwise would never have been consecrated. 100 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: And because Apistolic succession does not depend upon administrative authority, 101 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: it's a spiritual thing, it was perfectly valid for them 102 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: to do so. So these bishops that broke away from 103 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: the Vatican administratively started ordaining and consecrating their own bishops, 104 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and those bishops consecrated their own bishops, and then there 105 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: were breakaways from that that created what is now known 106 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: in this country, at least in the United States as 107 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: the Independent Sacramental Movement. And these are essentially fully valid 108 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Catholic priests and bishops, but not um, not under Vatican authority, 109 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: and certainly not affiliated in any way administratively with the 110 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: Roman Catholic Church. The only connection really tends to be spiritual, 111 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: and that is it's still Catholicism um, but it's just 112 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: in the very much the same way that all Eastern 113 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Orthodox bishops and priests are valid, but they're not under 114 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: Vatican authority. They operate out of an auto cephalist capacity 115 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: under their own jurisdictions, and we're kind of that. So 116 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: I am the Presiding Bishop of the Nicolayan Catholic Church, 117 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: which which is in full union with the Old Catholics 118 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: through my work as an exorcist for the Old Catholics 119 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: Sacred Order of St. Michael, the changel Order of Exorcists. 120 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: So that hopefully that it's very very brief explanation, but 121 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: that kind of gives you a little bit of the 122 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: history of what went on. Oh yeah, yeah, that was great. Uh. 123 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: And obviously it's just so important to understand all of 124 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: the complex facets of of what you do and the 125 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: tradition that you're relying on. What do you say to 126 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: an atheist someone who says, hey, why do you even 127 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: believe there is a God? Well, I think you know, 128 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the only answer that can be given in that respect 129 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: is that one has to have a direct experience with 130 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: God in order to be able to confidently hold that belief. Now, 131 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: you can, you can believe out of hope, which I 132 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: think a lot of people do, but there are also 133 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: people that believe out of experience, and that's a very 134 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: different factor for me. I would fall into that latter category. 135 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: I struggled through parts of my life with um atheism, 136 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: and it was only when God revealed himself to me 137 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: in a very direct and deliberate way UM that I 138 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: developed a certainty that I now possess and that has 139 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: shaped my faith experience going forward. So I don't define 140 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: faith as believing in something that you can't prove, I believe, 141 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, I would say faith is has nothing really 142 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: to do with believe. Faith has everything to do with 143 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: trusting that UM that a particular thing is true or 144 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: particular experience religiously is true by having a direct encounter 145 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: with that very thing that gives you a certain a 146 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: sort of certainty. So it's kind of like, you know, um, 147 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of like going to a place you've never 148 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: been before. You know, you know it exists, but unless 149 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: you experience it directly, you don't really know it. You 150 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: can only know about it by what other people tell you. 151 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: And I mean, if you're talking about something that's really 152 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: hard to connect with, like going to the moon, for example, 153 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: if you're not an astronaut that has had that experience, 154 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: then that creates the room for doubt for people to say, well, 155 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: the moon landing was faked and it never really ever 156 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: happened because people haven't experienced the same thing with these 157 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: these flat, flat earthers. You know, it's unthinkable to me 158 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: that anybody in the current time would actually believe still 159 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: that the Earth is flat. But this happens because the 160 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: direct experience of seeing then the Earth round is really 161 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: not available to most people. You have to trust sources 162 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: that have done it. You have to trust that those 163 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: are accurate sources, and that's even becoming more of a 164 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: question today. So God's not terribly different from that. If 165 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: you don't have the direct experience, very difficult to believe 166 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: in it, particularly if you're a rational person. 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Um, all right, now, let's get 224 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: back to my conversation with the exorcist Bishop Brian Will 225 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: Let but let's get to the big sensational topic exorcism. Okay, 226 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: what is exorcism really? Well, I can give you the 227 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: Church's answer, I can give you mine. Um. You know, Um, 228 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: I guess I'll give you a little bit of both, 229 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: so that you can kind of get a full picture. 230 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: Because I tend to depends on which way It depends 231 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: on which direction I need to take the the the 232 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: question in order to arrive at an answer that I 233 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: think is accurate. Because they are different. Um. The Church 234 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: uses a model that is completely based upon its paradigm. 235 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: I do not. I step out of paradigms constantly, which 236 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: is one of the benefits of being autocephalist and independent 237 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: is that I don't have to and here to any 238 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: particular conventional system. I can step outside of it as 239 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: often as I need to in order to get the 240 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: best results for the client that I'm trying to help. UM. 241 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: But in the Roman Catholic Church, a Roman Catholic priests 242 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: or Roman Catholic exorcist has the paradigm that they must follow, 243 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: and there's no room outside of that paradigm. So in 244 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: in in traditional terms, in terms of how the conventional 245 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: church sees exorcism, it is the expelling of a demon 246 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: from an individual who has become um, the target of 247 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: what is essentially a fallen angel and UM. So the 248 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: right of exorcism is to remove that intrusion from that 249 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: person's life, usually their body. Um. They all, I mean, 250 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: they're the distinctions of like obsession, oppression, and possession are 251 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: just degrees, uh in terms of identifying that the level 252 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: in severy of the problem. But ultimately it comes down 253 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: to a demonic attachment. UM. Now I would take it 254 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: a completely different direction from that. Now in the model 255 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: of Catholicism, it's true, um, but it's only true in 256 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: terms of how one would look at it from an 257 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: archetypal perspective. I tend to step outside of that, and 258 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: I see demons as um truly sentient, non comporeal, which 259 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: is I think the Roman Cather Church would agree to 260 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: that to that extent. But at the same time, I 261 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: would take it a step further and say that these 262 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: are aspects of the human psyche um that fracture and 263 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: become sentient independent. Um. Well, I guess you could say 264 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: psychological processes that invade the ordinary functioning of that person's 265 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: psyche to the point that now, um, they are being 266 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: influenced by this, this this newly generated um consciousness. And 267 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: that of course is only applicable when we're talking about 268 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: it from the side of the demonic. But there's all 269 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: sorts of possession actors, the people that do method acting, 270 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: they are actually cultivating a type of possession in order 271 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to do method acting. Um. You see it with some 272 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: people that get so serious about it and ends up, 273 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, killing them. Um. Heath Ledger is a good 274 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: example of that with his joker Um. You know the 275 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: reason I think he was such an incredible joker. I've 276 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: really never talked to anybody who didn't like his his 277 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: his performance. I think it was certainly the most realistic 278 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: joker I've ever seen UM, and yet I think it 279 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: got into his head to degree that he probably had 280 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: a very hard time getting it back out again. And 281 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: I want to say that that Jack Nicholson UM told 282 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: him be very careful with that character Um. And I've 283 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: talked to other actors about this phenomenon of where when 284 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: they start to become the character, it's sort of changes 285 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: their behavior and and they feel almost as if there's 286 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: another that the character is real but existing sort of 287 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: simultaneously within them. That's the type of possession. It's just 288 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: the reason we wouldn't classify that as demonic is because 289 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't have a negative effect on the individual UM, 290 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: and it can be useful, the same thing you can 291 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: say in Buddon and Santaria. You know, Houdon is another 292 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: example of ritual possession. That is, you know, using utilizing 293 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: a connection to the ancestors the loa, and they are 294 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: invited in Um. They possess the vessel that is willing 295 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: for a period of time, and then when the ritual 296 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: is over, you know, everyone goes back to normal, and 297 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: remarkable things can happen during that process. But again it's 298 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: not considered demonic because it's part of the religion and 299 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: it's nothing there's no delatarious effects. But at the same time, um, 300 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: you know, we're all susceptible to these things. There's a 301 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: very strong psychological component. And it comes back to the 302 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: fact that the very word psyche, the word that we 303 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: the Greek word that we get the word psychology from 304 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: um in the ancient time, you know, in the ancient 305 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: understanding of the term psyche literally means um um soul. 306 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: It's they would not have distinguished the difference between um 307 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: a the spiritual nature and the world of the mind 308 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: like we do. We see the world of the mind 309 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: as a neurological process that's you know, kind of physiological. 310 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: They would have said that there was no difference between 311 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: the spiritual world and the world of the mind and 312 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: saw it as the same thing. And I think that 313 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: is the that's the gap that a lot of people 314 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: can't are struggled across when trying to understand what exorcism is. 315 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: So what's your really doing whether you're doing it through 316 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic paradigm of expelling a demon um or 317 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: you're doing it my way, which is the same model 318 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: only I take a different perspective on the actual metaphysics 319 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: of it, which is to heal a fractured psyche and 320 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: to put them back into a state of wholeness and 321 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: sort of integrate these nasty archetypes that exist within our DNA. 322 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: I've been built within us. We are made of archetypes, 323 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: and um. The strongest to archetypes that we will ever 324 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: encounter are going to be the trickster in the shadow. 325 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 1: And those archetypes together produce UM when combined with our 326 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: animal nature and the more primitive aspects of our mind, 327 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: the reptilian brain, for example. When that combines and those 328 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: two archetypes combined with that animal nature, you end up 329 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: getting a demon out of that. Now, most of us 330 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: are not constantly cultivating a relationship to those dark archetypes. 331 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: In fact, most of us tend to avoid those dark archetypes. 332 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: We might toy with them in horror movies or my 333 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: toy with them with you know, any kind of dark story. Um. 334 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: But some people take it too far and um, And 335 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: then sometimes you don't even really need to make a 336 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: conscious decision in order to unlock some of that with 337 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: the us, I can sometimes just spontaneously arise, and then 338 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: now we have, um, a malevolent sentience within us that 339 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: needs to be corrected. UM. And that's kind of what 340 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: I would say, demonic possession is an exorcism, is healing 341 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: that fracture. So when we envision demons as little devils 342 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: running around a little monsters of some kind, is there 343 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: any truth to that? I mean, are there demons in 344 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: that sense? Yes, But I think only in an archetypal 345 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: sense um. You know. And I don't try to say 346 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: this to marginalize it, because I would actually tell you, 347 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: you know that philosophically speaking, I would say architects are 348 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: more real than we are. UM. I think we are 349 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: really sort of a a reflection of those things. And 350 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: when you really break down human nature, you know, we 351 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: are made up of an aggregate system of various degrees 352 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: of archetypal patterns UM. And you have people that are 353 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: very heroic, therefore they encompass a large quantity of the 354 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: hero archetype. You know. You have people that are like 355 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: the old you know, the wise old man UM. You 356 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: have people that are the eternal child UM. And then 357 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: of course you have the darker characters like the Shadow 358 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: and the trickster and there's numerous archetypes, and there's numerous 359 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: sub archetypes that are sort of spawned off of those 360 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: parent archetypes that Young focused in on um. And ultimately 361 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: what we are our combinations of those things. Our entire 362 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: identity is based upon a areful a ratio of countless 363 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: variations of these archetypes are built into what seems like 364 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: a personality and a identity and a self that really 365 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: doesn't exist when you break them all down. It's kind 366 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: of like I like to tell my students, it's kind 367 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: of like a pen. You know. I can take a pen, 368 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: and I can take a little top off, and you know, 369 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: and then I'll take the spring out, and I'll take 370 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: the ink cartridge out, I'll take a little you know, 371 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: the little um button out that lets you, you know, 372 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: bring the ink out, and a ballpoint pen. And when 373 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: is it no longer a pen? You know, how many 374 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: parts do you need to take it apart where you 375 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: can't call it a pen anymore. It's only really a 376 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: pen when it's all together, when all these parts are together, 377 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: and also functional, when it is useful, when it can 378 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: actually be used for the purpose of what a pen 379 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: is used for. Otherwise you basically just have aggregate parts 380 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: that you know, I don't really have much value unless 381 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: they are all working together for that singular purpose. And 382 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: human beings are very much bad. And that's what you 383 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: tend to see with people that do suffer from demonic problems. 384 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: They tend to be people who are not are struggling 385 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: with finding purpose, they are struggling with identity. And this 386 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: sort of gives an opportunity for these archetypal patterns, these 387 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: more negative oriented one to arise within them. You'll hear 388 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: how he actually conducts an exorcism when we come back. 389 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 390 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a AM 391 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network. I'll be right back after this. 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And now let's get back to my unusual 430 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: conversation with the exorcist, Bishop Brian Will. Let when you 431 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: go in to function as an exorcist and you have 432 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: a task, you have a mission, you have a problem 433 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: to solve, and you're trying to figure out how to 434 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: address that problem. Do you believe that all of the 435 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: negativity is somehow being generated from that individual's psyche or 436 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: do you think that there is something that can be 437 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: almost almost physically removed from that person, like a parasite. Yeah, 438 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: I would say it's old the above. Really I think 439 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: it really works as a symbiotic relationship. So I don't 440 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: think there's really anything happening outside us that isn't having 441 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: a parallel within us. I think that's again part of 442 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: that old occult system of as above so below, and 443 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: that works on such a multidimensional level. The macro cosmos 444 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: in the micro cosmos relationship is always there. It's it's 445 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: always reflecting. We are merely a reflection of something that's 446 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: happening at a higher level, and we are experiencing it 447 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: here at this level because that's where the point of 448 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: experience is for us. And so it feels as though 449 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: all these things are happening outside of us, um are 450 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: independent from us. But in reality, you know, we're inside 451 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: it and it's inside us. But what you are extracting 452 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: is essentially a non comporeal energy pattern and breaking it down. Um. 453 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, the church just says you're sending a demon 454 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: back to Hell. Well, that's a nice story that kind 455 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 1: of conveys the ineffable reality that most human minds are 456 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: not going to necessarily comprehend because it's outside of their paradigms. Um. 457 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: So the story is a way of making it makes 458 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: sense to the average person, but for someone who's actually 459 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: doing this work professionally. They need to know what's really 460 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: going on. There's you understand that there's something that drives 461 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: the functions of the church. There's something that drives these 462 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: particular rituals in the way that they're written in order 463 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: to literally seize control of a offending archetype and break 464 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: that pattern down so that it can no longer harm anyone. 465 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: So you know, well, you know, you and I and 466 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: everybody listening to this show, we are all very open 467 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: minded people were capable of using our imagination and talking 468 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: about things on a deeper level and seeing the difference 469 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: between the physical and non physical and how all those 470 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: things connect, etcetera. But uh, if I'm just sitting at 471 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: a bar, uh as some guy next to me says, 472 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 1: our dogs real, I go yes? And he said, our 473 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: unicorn is real no, ore sharks real? Yes, our dragons 474 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: real no, our demons real. What's the answer to that 475 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: question in that scenario. I think that depends upon the 476 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: worldview and how that worldview allows within the paradigm to 477 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: accept the reality of that thing or not. Um. I 478 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: think there was a time where you could have gone 479 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: into a bar and asked if dragons are real, and 480 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: you would have probably gotten a majority response that said, yes, 481 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: I think there was a time where that could have 482 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: been true. It's not as true today because our paradigm 483 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: has shifted to not allow for that architect and manifests 484 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: in that same way anymore. Demons are still part of 485 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: the mass consciousness, which has been largely promoted by Hollywood 486 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: and shows like you know, paranormal television, Coats adventures. You know, clearly, um, 487 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: that helps to create a sort of realism to it, 488 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: that brings this absolute reality into the realm of the conventional. 489 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: And we exist in the realm of the conventional. We 490 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: are conventional constructs, always built by paradigms and biases, where 491 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: very much you take out the paradigms and the biases 492 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: that people, there's very little substance there for most Um, 493 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: I would say that that possession comes from the super ego. Okay, 494 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: so when the super ego feels violated, which is usually 495 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: because it's it's think of the super egos like this 496 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: goody two shoes part of yourself, Um, that has working 497 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: mostly again outside of normal consciousness. It's really sort of 498 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: operating independently of you, and it's always evaluating the morality 499 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: of something, or the ethics or something. It's making value 500 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: judgments about everything you see and do all the time, 501 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: and it's weighing this against your decisions that the ego makes. 502 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: And so when the ego steps out side of the 503 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: boundaries of where the super ego wants it to go, 504 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: that's what creates this sense of wrongdoing. And there's usually 505 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of gratification that comes from doing wrong, 506 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: which is why we tend to do things that are wrong, 507 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: because we can gratify ourselves this way, and that produces 508 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: a uh an effect within the psyched that creates the 509 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: the the the stress fracture that eventually can create a 510 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: permanent fracture that would then result in the appearances of possession. 511 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: So if a person, for example, is raised in a 512 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: in a in a system where their super ego UM 513 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: sees fornication as a sin, at a mortal sin, perhaps 514 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: something that would be absolutely unthinkably wrong, and then you 515 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: know their biological urges that the ID comes into play 516 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: at some point in their adolescence and they fornicate with 517 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: someone UM, that can be all it takes to create 518 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: enough of a stress facture because the id's doing something 519 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: making the ego make a decision that it shouldn't do, 520 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: and then the super ego doesn't like it, and then 521 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: that creates the seed for there to be something from 522 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: that shadow or or trickster archetype to take over that 523 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: person's consciousness because now there is a h an opening 524 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: of violation within it that that that made it weak. 525 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: So this is where we see, and I'm talking now 526 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: in my terms, in the Roman Catholic terms, they would 527 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: say that sin or a proclivity to sin in a 528 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: particular way UM makes one spiritually weak, which gives it 529 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: opportunity for the demons to come and attack itself because vibrationally, 530 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: you and I are aligning, aligning yourself to something that 531 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: is darker instead of aligning yourself to something that is holy. Again, 532 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: both models are true. It's just one a little bit 533 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: more authentic and accurate than the other. UM, but doesn't 534 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: mean it's any less true to use the model that 535 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic churches, you know, because that's actually an 536 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: easier one for most people to understand than the one 537 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: is that I described. So putting all this into practice, 538 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: please give us a class, a class example of a 539 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: possession type scenario in which you helped the person as 540 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: an exorcist. Well, I can say that any time we've 541 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: had a case where the client was very receptive to 542 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: everything that we told them to do. Um, we have 543 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: a success rate with such cases. Um. And it's not 544 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: to put ourselves in the back and say look at us, 545 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: where we're so magnificent that we always know the right 546 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: thing to do and say um. But what it really 547 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: comes down to is helping the client to understand the 548 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: dynamic that is at work within their situation and to 549 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: resolve it. Now, in most cases exorcism is not required, Okay, 550 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: so a lot of times it takes is getting them 551 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: reconnected to things that helped to again gratify wherever they're 552 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: at with and their super ego. So a lot of 553 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: it has to do with finding out where their super 554 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: ego is and where the violation point occurred and bringing 555 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: them back into um uh I guess harmony with themselves 556 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: so that those three parts makes sense. And again even 557 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: that's a model, that's just another way of trying to 558 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: describe these things that are very much beyond us. UM. 559 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: But it really helps. And so UM, I would say 560 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: that you know, we had a we had a client 561 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: that had all the classic science of possession, absolutely in 562 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: every possible way, and um, almost everywhere that well, UM, 563 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, in this particular case, UM, she could speak 564 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: languages that she did not study. UM, ancient dead languages, 565 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: UM a romaic. UM. I believe in this. In that 566 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: one that I'm thinking about, I believe our it was 567 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: one of the ones that she would say, Um, she 568 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: had superhuman strength and become rigid, to the point that 569 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: this little tiny lady that barely weighed seventy pounds would 570 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: become so heavy that you know, even three people would 571 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: struggle to lift her. Um. In some cases, you know, 572 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: we even will see levitation, although it's not like all 573 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: the way up to the ceiling or something like that. 574 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: It's it's it's generally just a few inches off the ground. Um. 575 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: And then there will be other things that uh, you know, 576 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: can affect the patlor systems. For example, like I remember 577 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: one exorcism we did on the same individual I'm talking about, 578 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: where UM, we reached the end of the exorcism and UM, 579 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: it blew the power out, but it flickered three times, 580 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: it went off and then came back on, went off, 581 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: came back on, went off and stayed off, and it 582 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: blew out the power to the entire blog. Um, and 583 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: it stayed out for like I want to say, it 584 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: was out until the next morning. So Um, there was 585 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: no explanation for that other than the fact that there 586 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: was so much energy being generated in the room at 587 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: the time that it affected the phenomenal world around it. 588 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: And that's because there there's there's complete interconnection and symbiosis there. 589 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: So so getting back to the lady, now, she was 590 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: exhibiting all of these symptoms that you said are classic possession, Well, 591 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: I guess symptoms. Um. So what did you do next? Well, 592 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: we we um. We tried several blessings which made her worse. 593 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: And that's always kind of a good litmus test for 594 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 1: us to be able to say, Okay, this is looking 595 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: more like possession, um, Because typically a person who's not 596 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: possessed is going to be able to sit through a blessing, 597 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: even if it makes them uncomfortable. They'll sit through it. Um. 598 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: They won't act out any way, that's too strange. But 599 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: when they will react violently and then go into one 600 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: of these states that they absolutely do not remember once 601 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: they enter into the possessed state. They never remember anything 602 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: about it. It's a complete blackout in there. In there, 603 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: it's almost as if they arrived at the church, they 604 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: get the blessing, they black out, and then we're performing 605 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: exorcism for two or three hours, and then they come 606 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: out of it and they feel like they just arrived. 607 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: It's like all that time is gone now. Um. And 608 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: that's a very common thing that we see. So yeah, 609 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: so we we performed the blessing that made her worse. 610 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: I tried the sacrament of function, which would be the 611 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: next step that she would not allow at all. 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Warren, 660 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: and here is the rest of my conversation with the 661 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: exorcist Bishop Brian will Let and we was able to 662 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: stabilize or bring around. But of course that's not Minor 663 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: exorcism doesn't typically create a healium that fracture, or if 664 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: you want to use Roman Catholic terms, removal of the 665 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: demon um. It it's really just a way of sort 666 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 1: of uh imparting grace to that person so that they 667 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: can be stabilized. It's it's kind of like a person 668 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: who's having a heart attack, you know, then, and you're 669 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: getting their their vitals stabilized, but you're not solving the 670 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: problem that's causing the heart attack that might need surgery 671 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: later on. So um solemn exorcism it's sort of like 672 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: the surgery. That's where you're going in and take out 673 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: the malignancy, and that takes time and planning. So after 674 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: several sessions of trying to do it with minor exorcism, 675 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: we eventually then planned a solemn exorcism a few weeks 676 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: later and then proceeded to remove ten demons from her 677 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: um and they came out one by one. So, okay, 678 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: what what exactly are you doing in the middle of 679 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: one of these minor or even major exorcisms, And how 680 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,879 Speaker 1: do you know when the demon is out? Well, there's 681 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: signs of release, and you see it in their eyes typically. UM. 682 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: I remember in this client, which was really remarkable, and 683 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: I wish I had you know, sometimes I wish I 684 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: could just have like a little camera on my head 685 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: that can see what I'm exactly seeing, so that we 686 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: could capture some of these moments. Um. But they're so 687 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 1: violent and there's so much struggle that there's really in 688 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: no way to record this stuff to be able to 689 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: really capture it well. So a lot of exorcism footage 690 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: looks like UFO footage was just blurry, um. But you know, 691 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: we um. Her eyes changed from normal um, where the 692 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: iris was just the normal shape too, being like this 693 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,439 Speaker 1: the eye of a snake. It became this little sort 694 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: of dot and the almost her eyes, which I believe 695 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: were blue, turned into almost like a silvery gold, like 696 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:41,280 Speaker 1: a metallic kind of um color. And it's it stayed 697 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: like that, and it and it it's it stared me down, 698 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: you know. And I got in there and I stared 699 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: it down. UM. And by this point I had acquired 700 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: the demon's name, which is helpful because that's when we 701 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: start to gain control over it. And I continued the 702 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: rights of extorcism using holy water, um and drenching her 703 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: in it, and I think we went through two gallons. 704 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: I poured about two gallons of holy water in that 705 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: one exorcism on her. She was literally dripped. Both of 706 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: us were dripping wet um, and she screamed, um, bloody murder. 707 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was the most horrific thing. 708 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: I think anybody in that road could have ever heard 709 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: a human being, you know, make that kind of sound. 710 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: And then suddenly she she got up, got rigid, and 711 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,879 Speaker 1: then and then became completely limp, and her eyes went 712 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: back to normal human looking eyes. It was the most 713 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: remarkable thing that I can I can say I've ever 714 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,879 Speaker 1: seen in any exorcism I've ever performed. UM and that 715 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: was the sign of release because it clearly no longer 716 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: had any hold on her, and um, you know, we 717 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: let them rest for a few moments after that happens, 718 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: and then we gently wake them up and almost like 719 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: bringing someone out of hypnosis, where they wake up in 720 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: their normal again and they don't remember anything that happened. 721 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: So what tips would you give anyone listening right now 722 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:11,280 Speaker 1: on how to protect him or herself from demonic issues? 723 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: I would say, have a very strong um spiritual center. 724 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: And again by spiritual, I don't necessarily mean it has 725 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: to be religious. I don't mean it has to be ethereal. 726 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: It needs to be grounded and something that's larger than 727 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: yourself that you can at least if you if you're atheists, fine, 728 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: but even an atheist can be philosophical. Even an atheist 729 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: can use philosophy to go to reach to higher levels 730 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: of awareness. Um. Anybody can meditate. You don't need to 731 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,320 Speaker 1: believe in God for that either. All of these things 732 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: are told that can be used to cultivate the mind, 733 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,720 Speaker 1: to strengthen the mind and at the same time strengthen 734 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,959 Speaker 1: the body. Um, so that one can be far more 735 00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:01,720 Speaker 1: um skillful in their activities that they undergo throughout their life. 736 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: And for a religious person it's much easier because they 737 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: can adopt a religious system that is already a proven 738 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: system that has all of the built in psychological protections 739 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: already there, and faith and relationship to God gives us 740 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: that strength to be able to overcome any of these 741 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,360 Speaker 1: negative adverse reactions that can happen spiritually. So um, there's 742 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: no excuse. There's always some world. Um. Well, I don't 743 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: want to call it a worldview. There's always uh some 744 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: method that can appeal to just about anyone, and and 745 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: even if it's science, I mean, science can be also 746 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: a very useful tool of looking outside oneself. Physics is 747 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 1: a great one, particularly like quantum mechanics or theoretical physics. 748 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,880 Speaker 1: These are things that kind of take us outside of 749 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: our normal paradigms and let us know that there's so 750 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: much more to the universe than we can possibly imagine. 751 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: All of that serves to protect us. You were telling 752 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: me off the air that there is one question particular 753 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: that you get all the time, at least once a week. 754 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: What is that question and what is the answer? Um? 755 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,320 Speaker 1: If demons can be transmitted through the television by watching 756 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: horror movies or paranormal TV shows. This is a question 757 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: I get almost every week. Um. It's a very common one. 758 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm tired of answering it, actually, Um, But I'd like 759 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: to answer it on talk shows like this because it 760 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: gives me an opportunity to kind of get the word out. 761 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: So hopefully I don't get asked too much on social media. 762 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: But the answer is absolutely no, unless you fear it. 763 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: So all of this thing comes from fear fear is 764 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: the biggest enemy. If you really want to say who 765 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: is the devil, who is satan Um, it's it's it's 766 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,399 Speaker 1: your own fear. That's where the devil comes from. That's 767 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,359 Speaker 1: what gives birth to the devil. That's what gives birth 768 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: to darkness. So when you fear, you're in trouble. And 769 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: so if you fear paranormal shows, if you fear, you know, 770 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: movies that deal with Satanism, then yes, those become weaknesses 771 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: for you. But if understand that you know you're you're 772 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: you're above all those things. They can't touch you, they 773 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,799 Speaker 1: can't harm you, then you're not gonna be affective and 774 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: not even in real life. You could sit through a 775 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: real ritual with an actual Satanist, and by satan if 776 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the the ritualistic kind, the ones that 777 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: actually do believe that the devil is this real angel 778 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: that they worship. There's many different types of Satanism, but 779 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 1: I mean you could sit through a original like that, 780 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,439 Speaker 1: you could sit through a black mask, you could sit 781 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: through literally not that you'd want to, a human sacrifice 782 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: and still come out completely okay because you'd be above 783 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: anything that's there that could harm you well, Bishop Brian 784 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: will let the clock has got us so in closing, 785 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: if someone is experiencing spiritual chaos right now, what practical 786 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,240 Speaker 1: advice do you give on how to seek help? And 787 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: please tell everybody how they can learn in general more 788 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 1: about you and your work. The floor is yours well. 789 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: Everything that you would ever need to know about me, 790 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: my work UM, and all of the things that you know. 791 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: We have as far as services go, whether it be 792 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: teaching or actual spiritual problem resolution UM. It can be 793 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,279 Speaker 1: found at the website, our website, the church's website, which 794 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: is UM. You can find it at Esoteric Catholic dot org. 795 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: UM all one word Esoteric Catholic dot org or Nicolaan 796 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: dot org. It's the same place, same it gets you 797 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,800 Speaker 1: to the same location. That's and I C H O 798 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 1: L e A N dot org, not dot com. A 799 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of people put in dot com and say I 800 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 1: can't find your website. It's dot org. We don't have 801 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 1: the dot com. But everything there. There's lots of resources 802 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: of the the podcast that I have is there, uh. 803 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: Nicolaon UM television is there where you can watch the mass, 804 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: and we have other functions and things that you can 805 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: get connected to. I have a webinar that I teach 806 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,879 Speaker 1: once a week on these higher esoteric things. If you're 807 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: just in that that that's helped a lot of people 808 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: as well. Um, there's a lot of conventional stuff there 809 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 1: as well as a lot of um, outside the box 810 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: content as well. Um. So yeah, if you can't find 811 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,600 Speaker 1: it there, um, then you're not gonna find it. So 812 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: it's all it's all there somewhere in the hub. Okay, 813 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: that was my conversation with the Exorcist Bishop Brian will Let. 814 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for being on the show. Brian, I will 815 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: certainly have him on in the future to talk about 816 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: a lot more esoteric Catholic dot org follow him on 817 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: Twitter at Exorcist Bishop. And you know what, I got 818 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: an email from a guy that I need to refer to, 819 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: Bishop will Let. This guy has had a lot of unpleasant, 820 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: weird stuff happening and attachments, and he sent me one 821 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,720 Speaker 1: of the creepiest pictures I've ever seen. And we're almost 822 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: at a time, but I'm telling you, in an upcoming show, 823 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: I will give you his whole story. He gave me 824 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,840 Speaker 1: permission to tell you the story and show you this picture. 825 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: So people who subscribe to my E newsletter will we'll 826 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: get it first. But you know what I think we 827 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: all need after listening to all that, I think we 828 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: need to take a deep breath, recenter, rebalance, and just 829 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 1: meditate on the good fortune tongue. Are you ready? If 830 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:47,439 Speaker 1: you can close your eyes here it is. That's it 831 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,160 Speaker 1: for this edition of the show. 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