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Speaker 1: much for joining us, Ken, Uh. I'll tell you came

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Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a very good point. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, Harrison is a guy he didn't really make

430
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Speaker 1: sense as a three down player made terrific sense as

431
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Speaker 1: a two down solution, But the more I look at him,

432
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Speaker 1: there might be more to him than that. I'm I'm

433
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: looking at Millie Harrison and I say he's sixty seven.

434
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Speaker 1: The guy he reminds me of most of in Raven's

435
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: history is Jamie Sharper. Jamie Sharper, same kind of size. Uh,

436
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: came in as a two down player. But Jamie Sharper,

437
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: when he left the Ravens after the two guys in

438
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: one season had become a really important part of the

439
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: past defense. He had six sacks and twelve passes defense.

440
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: Think about the last time you heard a linebacker having

441
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Speaker 1: a combination of statistics like that in one season. So,

442
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Speaker 1: h I love Jamie Sharper Man. I love Jamie Sharfer

443
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Speaker 1: back in the day. How much how much money? He's

444
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: very raw energy kind of guy too. Yeah, yeah, good player.

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Speaker 1: So with with Queen and Harrison, do you think it's

446
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: too simple to look at it as or or do

447
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: you see it this way? Queen is the lightning and

448
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: Harrison's the funder like the big the big linebacker, and

449
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: Queen is a sidelined to sideline guy. Sure, that's that's uh,

450
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Speaker 1: I would agree exactly. I think when they're on both

451
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Speaker 1: on the field, I think that Harrison will be the

452
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Speaker 1: mike uh. And you know Fort is still to be

453
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: decided what you do with his snaps in there. But

454
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: let's assume what that Harrison and Queen are on the field.

455
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: Harrison will be the mic linebacker and Queen will be

456
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Speaker 1: the will linebacker, and he'll have much more responsibilities that

457
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Speaker 1: are that are blitzing and other things similar to that,

458
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to um having to um uhh go and

459
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Speaker 1: cover and maybe cover a tight end or even even

460
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: some zone coverages. He'll he'll have more blitz responsibilities probably.

461
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Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see what you think of Justin

462
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: mat a BKA third round pick, because you know, the

463
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: linebackers are are rightfully attracting a lot of the attention,

464
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: and defensive tackle isn't necessarily a spot that you know,

465
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Speaker 1: we spend too much time talking about just by nature

466
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: of the position. But this is somebody who is really athletic.

467
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: He runs a faster forty at the combine than Baker Mayfield.

468
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: So he's got speed, he's got athleticism. He can provide

469
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Speaker 1: interior here, pass rush, By the way, I love how

470
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Speaker 1: you were pointing to this Baker thing, like Baker suddenly

471
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: like the fastest of world. I keep I keep seeing that,

472
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: and it kind of cracks me up. Yeah, but Baker was.

473
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like Baker is a bad athlete

474
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Speaker 1: like this is. I know, I know, it's just a

475
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: funny comparison. Yeah, just I mean, but but Baker was

476
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: a Highman Trophy winner who also ran a lot in college.

477
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: Wasn't just like this. He's not the Philip Rivers or

478
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's statuesque passer what and he's like a hundred

479
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: pounds later? So I get it, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um

480
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Speaker 1: So anyway, regardless of that aside there, kid, what do

481
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Speaker 1: you think of Matta Bike what he can provide for

482
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: this defense? Yeah? First of all, agree, lightning quick for

483
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Speaker 1: an interior defensive line. There's a couple of guys in

484
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Speaker 1: that four five range that he was in and uh,

485
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: and he's very fast. What I love about him is

486
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Speaker 1: I almost always say about an interior defensive lineman that

487
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: they might be a good stunt under kay, and I

488
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: think Matta Bake has some of that that he could

489
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: do by by being a guy can cross the face

490
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: and go to the shoulder of the opposite lineman and

491
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: create two angle blocks. That creates a big advantage when

492
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Speaker 1: one peels off. But in Mattapique's case, he can be

493
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: the over guy. And that's kind of unusual for an

494
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: inside lineman to have the have the quickness for that.

495
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: Oftentimes your your over player is a outside linebacker who

496
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: can do that. There's more flexibility in terms of how

497
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: they do their stunts. And do you see Campbell being

498
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: the is Campbell the under because he's so big and

499
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: powerful and like maybe he could even put some pressure

500
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: even if he is the under guy. Yeah, Campbell and

501
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: Wolf both are are terrific under guys, and so he's

502
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna have the best to learn from. And and Wolf

503
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: has been praised by von Miller. You probably heard in

504
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: terms of him creating sacks for him. And that's what

505
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: he means is you know, yeah, sorry I cut you off.

506
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna You're gonna that's really uh so so Dobbins too.

507
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean what Eric said that he was really he

508
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: thought he could have been the first running back off

509
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: the board. What makes Dobbins so special and that was

510
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: even you know, separated him from some of the other

511
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: top running backs in this year his class. And then second,

512
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: how do you see him fitting in so well with

513
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: this Raven's offense and what they like to do? Okay, Well,

514
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: start by, he ran behind a great offensive line in

515
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: Ohio State, so he's got that advantage. The one thing

516
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: I look at, just analytically, when you look at where

517
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: his carries went, very little difference in his game to

518
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Speaker 1: game production. He never was under four point three yards

519
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: per carry in any game. Um. He didn't do it

520
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: all against the bad teams. He had nine point three

521
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: against Clemson per game. I think it was nine point

522
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: three UM in the in the UH playoff game. Yeah, yeah, ok.

523
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: And so I like that. He definitely brings something as

524
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: a receiver. His catch rate is very high. So I

525
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: like those components. I think they'll they're they'll carry four

526
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Speaker 1: running backs. I know there is a change to the

527
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: rules both in terms of roster size and the UH

528
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: practice squad this year. Maybe you guys can tell me

529
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 1: more about that, because I really don't know the ins

530
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: and outs on the practice squad, but I can tell

531
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: you as we're watching the draft, we're giving away those

532
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: extra two spots about five or six times my position. Yeah,

533
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: I agree with you that we we talked about this

534
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: right before you join that it makes sense that all

535
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: four of those guys are gonna be there, and I

536
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: understand that it's just a crowded group. Um and and

537
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: there could be a notion of do they try to

538
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: trade one of them? But the Ravens run the ball

539
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: more than anybody else, and Eric Cocosta talked about basically

540
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: they got a four headed monster now, and so each

541
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: of those guys does do something a little bit a

542
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: little different. Yeah, I think so. The hardest thing to

543
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: get used to is gonna be Dobbins learning the mesh point,

544
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: because that's something that, uh, it doesn't come right away.

545
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: It was very fortunate that Ingram was able to deal

546
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: with it so quickly, but it's not something necessarily that

547
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: that without a preseason program, or without a longer preseason program,

548
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to get the timing right. That's

549
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: really about how you delay through that mesh and how

550
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: you give Jackson the time to make his read and

551
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: allow out for enough time for him to read the

552
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: leverage of the defender to the right point that he

553
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: can pull it and go. Does he remind you at

554
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: all of Ray Ricebns size wise. Certainly he's got power

555
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: in terms of his running style more than he has speed.

556
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: So that's very Rice like. Uh, you know, there's there.

557
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure other people would point to other things. Size wise,

558
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: He's he's similar, all right. So the offensive lineman, uh,

559
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Tyree Phillips and then Ben Bretticon. They go back to

560
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: back with the offensive lineman. Different types of guys. Phillips

561
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: obviously the big guy who played tackle who they're interested

562
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: in potential kicking into guard, where Bretticon was the four

563
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: year starter. Um, but he's a little bit under size.

564
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: So he's got the you know, the production, but he's

565
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: under sized. What do you what do you think about

566
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: the likelihood of Tyree Phillips making that transition from tackle

567
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: to guard at the pro level. I think he will

568
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: make it. What I watched one complete game, and I

569
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: had not scouted Tyree Phillips before this. I didn't really

570
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: anticipate him being on the Ravens radar, honestly, but I

571
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: watched him play the Texas A and M game Mississippi

572
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: State or Sticks and M. As a bonus, I got

573
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: to see some meta b K from that game. But

574
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: he played left tackle, of course, and his arms are

575
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: extraordinarily along thirty five and an eight, and what he

576
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: would go for is great hand placement on his opponent,

577
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: and when he got it, he'd go to the armpit

578
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: on both sides and the rep was over. It was

579
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: just he locked his defender out at long range. He

580
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: was dealing with a guy who's big six four and

581
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: he must be highly recruited because he wears number three

582
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: for Texas A and M a guy named Tyree Johnson

583
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: with two ease um who's out at d C. But anyway,

584
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I was very impressed with that performance. The other thing

585
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: that was kind of encouraging was they had him make

586
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: five level two blocks in the game where they where

587
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: they schemed him for that, and that included a pole

588
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: into the middle. So some encouraging signs of mobility from that,

589
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: more than what I would have thought from you know,

590
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: how he's built physically, So that was positive. He's gonna

591
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: have to learn a poll on the raven system because

592
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I think they want to be able to go either way.

593
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: But what I would think they want is for him

594
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: to be a right guard candidate where his lock on

595
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: ability is going to be able to allow him to

596
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: torque the defender as needed in the pivot, and so

597
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: you know you always push, push with your your right

598
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: arm and pull with your left arm, or usually do

599
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: on that side where they where he's caaving the defensive

600
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: tackle in. And that's I think that's really what they

601
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: got him for in terms of qualities. And then of

602
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: course Ben Breticon as well, they double up on the

603
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman's do you see Ben as a as

604
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: a left guard? Can he be a right guard? Could

605
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: he be a center? What do you see from him?

606
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Because different body type with shorter arms the tyree. Yeah,

607
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: so very short arms. That's really the defining characteristic and

608
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: the limiting characteristic of Ben Breticon. I don't hear people

609
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: talking about, but thirty one and an eight is like

610
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: historically short first percentile for his size, okay, and it's

611
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: it's one of the shortest buy mock draft table dot

612
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: com that that was in the drive's first percentile. Anyway.

613
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: So Patrick McCarry, who had all kinds of problems with

614
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: length last year, is a half inch longer uh in

615
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: arm length. So right there, I think we've got the

616
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: potential brewing for significant issues the NFL. And now that said,

617
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: he's been a good pass blocker in college, he's had

618
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: issues with run blocking, and I think he would not

619
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: be the great candidate to be on a pivoty be

620
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: a better candidate to be the polling guard. So I

621
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: would think because the Ravens offense is right handed, generally speaking,

622
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: he would be pulling from left or right would be

623
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: the more likely way you'd go. So you're saying we're

624
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: likely a left guard, more likely left guard of the guards,

625
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: and I want to point out I think center is

626
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 1: a very likely landing spot for him in the end,

627
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: based on makeup and whatnot, in terms of what we've

628
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: heard about his memory and things like that. Interesting. Yeah,

629
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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think if you're predicting it right now.

630
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: I want to hear your starting five offensive lineman because

631
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Ryan and I have talked about this a little bit,

632
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: and I really think that the competition at right guard

633
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: is bigger than just who's going to be right guard,

634
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: because I think you need to look at all three

635
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: of those spots kind of in general. At center is

636
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: a Scura or McCarry is Bozeman in the mix? There

637
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: obviously you're talking about Breticon, you know, not necessarily made

638
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: this year, but like, what does give me the starting

639
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: five offensive line? Uh? Knowing obviously the tackles are said, Okay,

640
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: so starting three. Um, So I think if I had

641
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: to guess right now, just because of what they've been

642
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Speaker 1: in terms of offseason I've been together, and who knows

643
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Speaker 1: how long they'll have in a preseason, I'd say they

644
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: stick with as much consistency as possible to be Bozeman

645
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Speaker 1: and then whoever is healthy of Scurry. Scur is healthy,

646
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: he's got the job again. Otherwise it's McCarry and at

647
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: least to start the season. And then at right guard,

648
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be Powers on day one. Interesting and

649
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: now there's reportedly g. J. Fluker in the mix too,

650
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: you know who could be in the mix. So there's

651
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: a ton of competition there between Powers and Flucker and

652
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: Tarry Phillips. So Flucker perfect for right guard if the

653
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: Ravens can get him finally coached. He's been in the

654
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: lead for seven years, three six and three quarter inch arms,

655
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: which are some of the longest in NFL history, So

656
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: it would be really interesting to to have him try

657
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: and be the torque guy on that right side. I'm

658
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Speaker 1: I'd certainly be all for it, but they've got to

659
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Speaker 1: fix a lot of other things. He had a ton

660
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: of penalties in his career so far and uh twenty

661
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: two stalled drives and six others that were declined penalties,

662
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Speaker 1: which also means that probably stalled drives during his during

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Speaker 1: his career so far. So he needs to cut down

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Speaker 1: on that. Well, you have one question for you. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, can we shave some of his

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Speaker 1: arms down? Give it? Give it to ben Bretticon and

667
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: now we're in business. You know if he could, if

668
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Speaker 1: he'd sell four inches of his arms, that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Ben Bretticent all of a sudden be I'm sure a

670
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Speaker 1: very effective NFL one. Well, I we'll see if DJ

671
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Flucker is a team player and I we'll see what

672
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Speaker 1: I What I want to know is what's the file

673
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Speaker 1: name on your computer of every guy's arm lefe in

674
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Speaker 1: NFL history. You know that d J. Fluker off the

675
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Speaker 1: top of your head as some of the longest arms

676
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Speaker 1: in NFL history. Where do you keep this information? I'll

677
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Speaker 1: tell you how I got it. There was one prospect

678
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: this year who had the exact same arm length is

679
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Speaker 1: Flucker And they mentioned in the PFF draft guy that

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Speaker 1: he had some of the longest arms in combine history.

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Speaker 1: Got okay, that's how I know. Okay, it might have

682
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: been Matt Pierre of Connecticut or it might have been

683
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Speaker 1: Ben Bartch. I forget which one, but it was one

684
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: of those two. And Peter went actually in the third round,

685
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: not too long ahead of Tyree, And it was interesting

686
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: hearing for Dakasa. He said, you know, some of the

687
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: offensive linemen lineman started popping off the board and we

688
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: wanted to jump on a guy. Yeah, it's kind of

689
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: interually anyway. The wide receivers, Dee Rene and Parachet, how

690
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: do they kind of fit into this mix? Do they,

691
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, kind of take a number of snaps away

692
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: from Willie Sneed? Do you primarily see him in the slot?

693
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: How do you see those guys working into the offense. Yeah,

694
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: it's it's quite a challenge now because uh, you know,

695
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a crowded stable of slot

696
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: ponies now and they're they're gonna have I think that

697
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: it keeps Brown on the outside, and you know, seeing

698
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: what Brown likes to do after the catch. That's probably

699
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: the right place for Brown to be. You can get

700
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: him open anywhere on the on the field, particularly if

701
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: you're extending a play. But but you know he's he's

702
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: less comfortable getting hit obviously, and if he's if he

703
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: sketching balls over the middle, he's taken a three yard

704
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: loss at the end of it, so he doesn't get hint.

705
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: So if he would him on the outside, right, I agree,

706
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: And that's where he challenges the defense most is on

707
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: the outside too, So because I agree, Um, you know,

708
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Speaker 1: duven A has a lot of the same qualities as

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Speaker 1: Sneed does. They're both kind of built like Safety's. Duven

710
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: A even a little more more muscular than Sneed I think,

711
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: which is unusual for the younger player. But I think

712
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: that he gives the Ravens a little bit more in

713
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: terms of fear. And you know how they identify the

714
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: defense with the motion guy. So Ravens use a lot

715
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: of their motion on the tight end and the fullback

716
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: between your card and boil, usually to dive into the

717
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: middle and those double teams. If they use duven A,

718
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: then he can cross the middle and you get a

719
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: better sense because they're very anxious to try and get

720
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: him covered properly of where he's going and where the

721
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: defense is going, rather rather say and then he also

722
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: has some of the size necessary. He's gonna really have

723
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: to have to work to be a good NFL block

724
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: or I think he's he's muscular enough, he's physical enough.

725
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: The question is going to get to the body on

726
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: some of these players, and they don't ask a lot.

727
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: Just a level two or level three block, and he

728
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: can really help the Ravens run offense. And then Prochet,

729
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: do you see him making an immediate impact on offense

730
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: or is he more of the return guy? Um, and

731
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: then the offensive role can maybe come down the line. Yeah,

732
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: I think he's more of the return guy. That's where

733
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I think right now, and it's he's you know, he's

734
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: a great catch percentage guy with great hands. So um,

735
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: if they if they did suddenly have an opportunity created

736
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: by injury, I think he could step in and take

737
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: a bigger role, but it would maybe more like his

738
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: role develops kind of like Camar Aiken in the past,

739
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that he's a special teams player and then he and

740
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: then he jumps in all of a sudden opportunity happens

741
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: and he catches seventy five balls. M yeah. Interesting. So

742
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: overall with this draft class, how do you kind of

743
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: come away feeling about what the Ravens put together over

744
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: the weekend. Well, I was excited, you know, just seeing

745
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: the players come off the board individually. I think the

746
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: lineman of the two I'm most concerned about. In terms

747
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: of picks, I really like Stone by the way, in

748
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: the seventh round, I thought he was He was a

749
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: good value too. Um. But overall, I you know, I

750
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 1: thought it was good. And then I had a guest

751
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: on it for a short yesterday and they talked through, uh,

752
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, relative value of each pick and the Ravens.

753
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: If you look at the Draft Network board, which where

754
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people do their mock drafts, you know,

755
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: it's an easy draft simulator. Um. The only way what

756
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: he what he said is that if you took the

757
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: Draft Networks big board value and you subtracted the value

758
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: the Ravens used on each pick, the Ravens ended up

759
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: at like plus a thousand points, which is the equivalent

760
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: of the course of ten picks picking up an additional

761
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: pick about equal to the number sixteen in the whole draft. Wow.

762
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: So basically, they just got so much better value than

763
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: do you know, off the top of your head, was

764
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: at the best in the league. No, there were, there were.

765
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: I would think it was either third or fifth, not five,

766
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: But it was Arizona had the best draft in the league.

767
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: Gotcha got you nice? Well? Yeah, um, it's you know,

768
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be excited about. And uh, you've

769
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: given us some things to think about. Now now we've

770
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: got to figure out, you know, how Wink Martindale is

771
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: going to dial up some of these packages. How do

772
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: you come out here? I also love the names, you know,

773
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: the race car, the double dial, whatever, all these different

774
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: names are. You've got your own You've got your own

775
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: playbook here that you work off of. Yeah, it's it

776
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: is my own shorthand. And I'll apologize for that. But

777
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: the jumbo nickel is because I really always want to

778
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: keep the coinage the same. You know, he's always talking

779
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: five defensive backs and nickel. I think NFL teams some

780
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: call it penny. I know the Bears do. I don't

781
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: know what the ravenscy, but I'd love to hear from

782
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: you guys, if you have a chance to stop Wink

783
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: in the hall someday and ask him, you know, what

784
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: do you what do you guys actually call the three

785
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: three five Nicol and he'll tell you I love think

786
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Speaker 1: you See. This is why I love when Ken comes

787
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: out to the uvailability because he has different questions than

788
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: the rest. I would never in my whole life thing

789
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: to ask Martindale what he calls. That would and that's

790
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: why I love you Ken. Well he can, Ken, thanks

791
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. And for fans who are

792
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: interested in more of your covers, they can get that

793
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: at film Study Ravens dot com. Um, and that's also

794
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: your Twitter account and it's a great place to stay

795
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: on top of the deep dive that you do. And

796
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: we appreciate you given us some great perspective today. Thanks

797
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: so much for having you guys. Well, really good stuff

798
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: from Ken. He just does an awesome job and just

799
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: has a brain that as much smarter than ours, particularly yours. Garrett. Well,

800
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: you just said a low bar. We'll do to say

801
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: Ken's as smart guy and we are not smart guy.

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00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: He really, he really does a fantastic job. Um. He

803
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: spends a ton of time watching tape, not YouTube highlights.

804
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: He actually watches the tape the all twenty two UM.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if he ever was

806
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: a football coach or would want to be a football coach,

807
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: but if he was interested in that, he probably could be.

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00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: So I love the analysis and the insight from him.

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Speaker 1: got to some of the emails and there's more that

823
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Speaker 1: are in the mailbox the mailbag right now that we

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Speaker 1: want to get to, UM, So you can go ahead

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Speaker 1: and email us at the lounge at ravens Ont, NFL

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827
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Speaker 1: will be talking to some of these rookies, bringing them

828
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Speaker 1: on and a lot more analysis to come, so make

829
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Speaker 1: sure you tune in next Probably what Tuesday? We want? Tuesday? Thursday? Now, Garrett,

830
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Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Yeah, well, probably that's a good

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Speaker 1: actually note for fans. Uh, you know, we went from

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Speaker 1: then we moved to three, and now now that the

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Speaker 1: to two days a week. There might be a bonus

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Speaker 1: two days a week, there's still gonna be a ton

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Speaker 1: if the number of episodes does. So we'll probably we'll

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Speaker 1: probably let's go ahead and say probably be back with

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Speaker 1: you next Tuesday.