1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: Hunt's go, Let's go, Let's go Giants. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 3: Dont come like get out my Giants bubble, give me 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 3: some job. Part of the Giants podcast network. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 4: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 7 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Giants. 8 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 4: Well here we go. 9 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Week one of the NFL season has arrived and the 10 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: Giants will renew their rivalry with the Cowboys right off 11 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: the bat this weekend at MetLife Stadium on Sunday Night 12 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: Football on NBC. And to delve into the storyline surrounding 13 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: this matchup, we're now joined by a man you'll see 14 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: on NBC's Football Night in. 15 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 4: America leading up to the game. 16 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Three time Super Bowl champ who played thirteen seasons twenty 17 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: ten to twenty twenty two with the Patriots, is a 18 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: defensive back, none. 19 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 4: Other than Devin mccordy. 20 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: Devin, you got Lance meado here on Giants dot Com. 21 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: Greatly appreciate the time. Hopebol as well has everything on 22 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: your end. 23 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: Everything's good man. Enjoying retirement and enjoining the new gig 24 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 3: at NBC. Getting a know to cru So it's been 25 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. 26 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: Well, let me be the first to welcome you to 27 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: the broadcasting industry as you make the transition. That is 28 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: very nice to see and hear. And let's start with 29 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: this matchup, Devin. From a big picture perspective, you have 30 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: two teams from the NFC East that arrivals and they're 31 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: both coming off playoff appearances and seasons where they made 32 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: it to the divisional rounds. So when you hone in 33 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: on what exactly you're looking for from each side of 34 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: this equation, what would be the two biggest storylines? 35 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: For one, I think you're talking about opening week, so 36 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: some beariables, some changes that happen. But I think for 37 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: the Giant side is what is that Daniel Jones to 38 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: Darren Waller connection. Is that going to be the connection 39 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: that really takes this team over the top of not 40 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: just coming in and winning one playoff game, but possibly 41 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: winning a division and going in there with whole field 42 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: advantage and playing from that point in the playoffs. And 43 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: then for the Cowboys, it's is this the year? Right? 44 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: It's Jerry Jones, It's the Cowboys, it's all of the 45 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: Hoopla America's team. Is this finally the year? That you 46 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: don't just get to the playoffs, but you're back as 47 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: a super Bowl And I think those are the heavy 48 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: storylines coming in for both these teams this season. But 49 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: you know, it's all interesting because you come in with 50 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: so much energy and it really comes down in just 51 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: one week one game when you boil it down to 52 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: the simplest form. 53 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 4: And that's a fair point. 54 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: You don't want to make it so big, but you 55 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: also have to come to the realization, Devin, that it's 56 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: a division game, and you know that carries a little 57 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: bit more weight. I'm curious, did you like opening the 58 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: season against a division rival or did you prefer to 59 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: maybe wait four or five weeks into the season as 60 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: you and your teammates gained a little bit more chemistry. 61 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: I liked it. I liked it from the standpoint of 62 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: week one has one has so many variables. Like I 63 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: said before, it always came down to adjustments in the 64 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: first quarter, the second quarter, halftime, Like you were always 65 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like, all right, what is this 66 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: team doing next? But your division opponent was a team 67 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: usually you played year after year after year. Any change 68 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: they had you always up to date. You paid attention 69 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: closely to it. So I always felt like you had 70 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: a little bit of an advantage going going against a 71 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 3: division opponent because you were just so familiar with them. 72 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: Sometimes you open up with somebody in a whole different 73 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: conference and you have to study I'm watching preseason games, 74 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: I'm watching this offensive coordinator three years ago. So you 75 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: just had so many things going on, so many moving 76 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 3: parts division up on, and kind of settled that down 77 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: you were able to just play football a little bit. 78 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: Now. 79 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Speaking of familiarity from the Giants perspective, they bring back 80 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: the same coaching staff, They have the same offensive coordinator, 81 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: the same defensive coordinator, and clearly, as I mentioned off 82 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: the top, exceeded expectations I think by many last season 83 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: from a defensive side of things, with Mink Martindale bringing 84 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: over a lot of the same Personel Devin. 85 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: How much does that help? 86 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: Meaning how much can that unit grow this season knowing 87 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: that they're not learning everything from scratch. 88 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's a huge plus for them. You know, 89 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: when I went to Giants practice, I've developed a relationship 90 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: with Xavier mckennie, and I was asking them, man like 91 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: house camp, going, how you feeling? He just said, I 92 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: feel so much better this year going into year two 93 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: in this defense because I think for every competitor, every 94 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: guy in a defense or an offense, yes, you learn 95 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: how the offense or defense works. So for the Giants 96 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: in this case, last year, they've learned how it works. 97 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: They learned by the book this is what I do, 98 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: this motion comes here, this guidelines here, this is what 99 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: I do. But I think you start talking about year 100 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: two in a defense, you start saying like, all right, 101 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: this is what I'm supposed to do. But if I 102 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: do this now, I gain a little bit of an edge. 103 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: They don't know that I can do this, they don't 104 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: know about this adjustment. So I think for those guys, 105 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: they're now going into that realm mint division. I mean 106 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: in the defense of Hey, we can now take ownership 107 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: of his defense and not just do what Wink says, 108 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: but we can find our own little wrinkles that'll take 109 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: this defense to a whole other level. And that's why 110 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to a scene with this Giants defense this. 111 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: Year being in new wrinkles. 112 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: Interestingly, the Giant so are probably going to showcase at 113 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: least two rookie corners right off the bat with Deontay 114 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: Banks and Gray Hawkins. I want to bring your own 115 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: personal experience into play because when you get drafted by 116 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 2: the Patriots, you started all sixteen games devan as a rookie. 117 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: And for individuals that don't realize you started a corner 118 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: before you move to safety. So what is it going 119 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: to be like for guys like Deontay Banks and Trey Hawkins. 120 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: You know they got to deal with Brandon Cooks and 121 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: c d Lamb and Michael Gallup, three premiere wide receivers. 122 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: What should they expect come out of the gates here 123 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: in week one? 124 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: How fun is this? Though? Week one you got Traylon 125 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: Diggs and Stefan Gilmore. Gilmore as a defensive Player of 126 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 3: the Year type of guy digs out eleven intercessions and 127 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: you just have these two rookies. And what I love 128 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: about rookies, especially in the secondary. And I say this, 129 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: and this is no disrespect to coaches, but when you're 130 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: rookies playing, you don't have anybody messing up what you 131 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: already do. Well. When you're a rookie playing, it means 132 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: you've come out and training camp and you've proven that 133 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: you can compete in the NFL. You've done it day 134 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: in and day out, because that's the only way coaches 135 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: feel comfortable throwing rookies against some of these top receivers 136 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: like you just mentioned. And usually the coaches don't have 137 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 3: enough time to just say don't do this, do that, 138 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: don't and so those guys just go out there, play free, 139 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: they play loose, and I think that's what you're gonna see. 140 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see two guys who have nothing 141 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: to lose. I remember my first start was against Terrell 142 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: Owens and Ocho Sinko. I was out there like, man, 143 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: this is like this is being a child and getting 144 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: thrown out there with guys that are your heroes, guys 145 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: you look up to. And I think these two guys 146 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: are gonna do that. And I've talked to one of 147 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: the front office guys in New York when I was 148 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: at practice, said, you guys about to start two corners 149 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: week one. He said, Man, these guys have their lights out. 150 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: They don't blink. They just go out there and they 151 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: play ball. And I'm happy to see that, you know, 152 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: primetime game going out there and they're just gonna let 153 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: it hang loose and have fun. And I think it's 154 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: gonna be a competitive game, and those guys are gonna 155 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: go out there and do I think a little bit 156 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: of what they've done all training camp. But they'll have 157 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: some introductory to the NFL moments. But that's what rookies 158 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: and you lift through that and you get better. 159 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: Now, speaking of those introductory moments, they've had some preseason reps, 160 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: like you said, they've had a few months being within 161 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: the system. 162 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: But what was the biggest transition, Devin. 163 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: You mentioned the big lights going up against Terrell Owens 164 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: and Shadow chow Sinko, But is it the speed that 165 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: they're going to see because regular season football is you 166 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: can attest to much different than preseason football. 167 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: If you can. 168 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Narrow down to maybe one element from an ex's and 169 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: O standpoint, what do you think the biggest jump will 170 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: be for them? 171 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: It'll be consistency. I think you understand the speed of 172 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: the game. You're in practice, you're doing different things, but 173 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: this is the first time where you're gonna guard a 174 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: guy like CD Lamb. You're gonna get a pass breakup, 175 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: you're gonna have an incomplete pass, and then you're like, man, 176 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: they're throwing at this guy again and again, and again. 177 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: And that's the difference in the NFL. They understand matchups, 178 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: they understand getting guys where they want them to be. 179 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: So you're moving, you're thinking, and now you have to 180 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: show up each time they come your way. It might 181 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: be a pass play, then it might be they block 182 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: down on the edge and they leave the running back 183 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: one on one with just you. And that's what they're 184 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: gonna do, maybe in the first quarter, and then come 185 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: back in the second quarter, and then three times in third, 186 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: Like it's over and over again. How they attack you 187 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: and you have to show up for your defense every 188 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: single time because one bad play, one play where you're 189 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: a little tired or you know your footwork's a little bad, 190 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: you get exploited. In the NFL, and I think that'll 191 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: be the lesson they learned so far. They probably played 192 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: a quarter here, they played two courts. They haven't played 193 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: that full sixty minutes of a game where you have 194 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: to your mental capacity has to be on the whole time. 195 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: And I think this will be the first time that 196 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: they go and live action for four quarters and it'll 197 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: just be new. It doesn't mean it'll be bad, it'll 198 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: be new for them. 199 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 200 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 5: So go to that retreat. New you moves to the country. 201 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 202 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 5: you ready for all that life breaks? 203 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: Now? 204 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: The best way to help a young secondary is a 205 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: strong pass rush up front, and Devin, when you look 206 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: at the Giants, Cowboys, and I'll even throw the Eagles 207 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: in here, last season, there was a noticeable differential in 208 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: the trenches on the offensive front and the defensive front 209 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: between where the Giants were versus where the Cowboys and 210 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: the Eagles were. Based on what the Giants did this offseason, 211 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: how much do you think they could close this gap 212 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: as they get a first test right here against a 213 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Dallas team that beat them twice last season. 214 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: I think is what you mentioned earlier about the defense, 215 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: it's another year. I think as you go out there 216 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: and you're in an offense and you're trying to figure 217 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: out what you need to do, especially up front, when 218 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: you know you have protection issues. You gotta block this guy. 219 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: You know, you got to block a guy like Michaeh Parsons, 220 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, we're gonna always double them, 221 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna bring the backup and chip them. But we 222 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: have Sakon Barkley in the backfield, so we want to 223 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: get him out. So we're going to do Like you 224 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: have so many moving parts in that offense, but now 225 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: you come back in. Daniel Jones is like, all right, 226 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: I understand the issues that this defense has, but now 227 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: I understand more about the tools that I have to 228 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: fix those problems. And I think that is what it 229 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: comes down to. You have a guy like Brian Dable 230 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: who is a great offensive mind, and he knows how 231 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: to do things with Mike caffer on the sideline, but 232 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: how do you translate that to not just the coaches 233 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: knowing it, but the players fully understanding and knowing. And 234 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: I think that's what the Giants will have in this 235 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: in this next season of every guy will know how 236 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: to fix problems and they'll start to be thinking the 237 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: like of Daniel Jones is going to make a check, 238 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: but Thomas already knows and like, those are the things 239 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: that they're gonna have. And Waller's gonna know now is 240 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: he gets up to speed. And I think that's the 241 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: key to having those guys, the five guys up front, 242 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: plus the tight ends and the running backs. How they 243 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 3: figure into that you need to have all those guys 244 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: on the same page. And I think that's what they're 245 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: gonna have this year that they just didn't have as 246 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: much last year. 247 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: We're talking to me, Devin mccordy. 248 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: You could see on Sunday Night Football on NBC this 249 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: weekend is the Giants open up against the Cowboys at 250 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: MetLife Stadium. Former Patriots defensive back, three time Super Bowl 251 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: champ As The Huddle is brought to you by Citizens, 252 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Giants. From game 253 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: day to everyday, Citizens has made ready for Giants fans 254 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: with insights, guidance, and solutions. Learn more at citizensbank dot com. 255 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: Who brought up Brian Dable, Well, you cross pass with him, 256 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: Devin for a few seasons in New England when he 257 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: was the tight ends coach, and now you've seen what 258 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 2: he's done with the Giants from afar. I'm sure you 259 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: had some level of interaction when you're on the Patriots roster. 260 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: What jumped out to you when he was an assistant 261 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: And how impressed are you with what he's been able 262 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: to do so quickly with this Giants organization? 263 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: You know it sounds crazy. But I you know, my 264 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: time at Rutgers in college, and you know, I developed 265 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: some relationships with you know, some of the beat reporters, 266 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: Fred the Giants, and they reached out to me and 267 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: they were like, what are we getting here? How's this 268 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: going to work out? We just reached out to you 269 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: two years ago when we got Joe Judge, and now 270 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: we got another guy with a New England pass. How's 271 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: this going to be? And I told those guys, I said, 272 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: Dave is a guy who he is himself. He doesn't 273 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: care really about anything else going on. I remember we 274 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: had a blue white scrimmage in New England and you know, 275 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: Josh mcdani's was one offensive coordinator and dabell was the 276 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 3: other and I was on dables team and I'm playing 277 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: safety and Dable gets me Jamie Collins and he's like, hey, 278 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: you guys are gonna come on offense. And he puts 279 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: this whole trick play together that we're gonna go do. 280 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: And like that was his attitude in one on ones 281 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: when he was a tight end coach. He's talking trash us, 282 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: he's cracking jokes walking off the field, and I love 283 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: that he brought that he didn't change. He said, you 284 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: know what, this is who I am when I'm an 285 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: assistant coach. I'm laughing, I'm joking with the guys. I'm 286 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: having a good time. I'm not gonna change that. I 287 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: know my role is gonna change a little bit as 288 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: a head coach, but I'm still gonna have fun. So 289 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: that practice I went to Fridays, he has a DJ 290 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: come in there, having fun, taco truck outside, and I 291 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: think that's the culture in the atmosphere he's brought to 292 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 3: the giants. It's like, we're gonna work hard, and I 293 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: think that's a little bit of his New Way background 294 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: and other places been Alabama and Buffalo won't work hard. 295 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: But outside of that, I'm a guy who likes to 296 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: have fun. We're gonna have fun here. You guys are 297 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: gonna be grown men, do your own responsibilities, do what 298 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: you need to do, but let's have fun and win. 299 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: And I think he's building a pretty special culture there 300 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: in New York. And you see the guys they want 301 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: to be there, that there having fun, and I think 302 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: that leads to more and more wins as he gets 303 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: more time in New York. 304 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: Well, bjcheck taco truck check that already has been a 305 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: parent in terms of Giants practices, so he's definitely carrying 306 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: over some New England traditions. From that standpoint, you brought 307 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: up Mike Kafka and Darren Waller, and I want to 308 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: go there, Devin, because I'm not saying it's identical, but 309 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: it goes to show you Gable's creativeness and bringing other 310 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: voices into the mix. But Kafka comes over from a 311 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: Kansas City team where you had Travis Kelcey as the 312 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: main guy, surrounded by smaller wide receivers but a lot 313 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 2: of speed, a lot of elusiveness. And you look at 314 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: this Giants roster right now, you have Darren Waller maybe 315 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: in that Travis Kelcey role, and you have smaller but 316 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: very versatile wide receivers. Once again, I'm not saying it's 317 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: the New York Chiefs, but how much of a similarity 318 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: do you perhaps notice that maybe they are trying to 319 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: duplicate with the personnel they have a little bit of 320 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: what the Chiefs ran. 321 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I always say this, you know what you know, 322 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: you don't try to go somewhere new, and you know, 323 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: reinvent the wheel. Mike Kafka spend time on in Kansas 324 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: City with Andy Reid. There's no better person to learn 325 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: from than Andy Reid. Well, you're talking about offense, So 326 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: I think what they're doing is they're building their weapons. 327 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: All right, this is what we have. We have Darren Waller, 328 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: who's a speedy, fast tight end, probably the fastest tight 329 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: end in football. I've covered the guy. He's blazing in 330 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: that middle. But then you also have an onslaught of 331 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: receivers that all do different things, and I think that's 332 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: what they're gonna use. Yeah, we got guys. We got 333 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: a guy like Slay and who's gonna stretch the field vertically. 334 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: I want to get him the ball. Weren't get Sterling 335 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: Shepard back going, get him going underneath, catch and run. 336 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: And then we're gonna use Waller inside that tight end, 337 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: spread them out wide as receivers to say, and I 338 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: think they're gonna mix it up. And then the guy 339 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: that you're not talking about, say, Kawlin Barkley, is also 340 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: another receiver in that and I think Katha is going 341 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: to start to even do more of it. Of Hey, 342 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: we're gonna be so versatile and do so many different things. 343 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: And when you game plan us as a defense, you 344 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: don't know which game plan we're going to attack you with. 345 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: I think what he learned probably most about Andy Reid 346 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: from Andy Reid is going to be the adjustments you 347 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: might do well against us in the first half and 348 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: take away some of the things that we thought we 349 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: were gonna do today. But now we're gonna reel and 350 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: bring out all of the other weapons we have in 351 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: the second half, and we're gonna exploit what you did 352 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: in the first half. And I think that's what I'm 353 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: anxious to see from this offense. Now that you have 354 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: more guys that you can use in different ways, how 355 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: do you not just develop a great game plan going 356 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: into the game, but how do you get to your 357 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: kind of secondary and third game plan within the game 358 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: to show, hey, we can win multiple ways. 359 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: And because they certainly they have the ability to spread 360 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: the wealth to your point, very similar to what we 361 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: saw with Kansas City where sometimes you saw mckole Hardenman 362 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: go off and it wasn't necessarily Tyreek Kill and Travis Kelce. 363 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: Now I want to piggyback off of your point about 364 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: Darren Waller because once again you said you lined up 365 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: against him, actually I went back to the archives. 366 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: I want to commend you, Devin. 367 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: You did a pretty good job against him in twenty 368 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: twenty in twenty twenty two when you played the Raiders. 369 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, from dan Quinn's standpoint, the Dallas 370 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: Cowboys defensive coordinator, they had Daniel Bellinger the Giants last 371 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: season and he had. 372 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: A very productive rookie year. 373 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: How does he start to change his philosophy here in 374 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: week one in his approach to this Giants offense now 375 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: that Darren Waller is on the field, which really is 376 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: a new wrinkle that the Giants did not offer last season. 377 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one of the biggest difference is really 378 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: the Giants they were one tight end set, you know, 379 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: with barons are in there. That was their guy. So 380 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: you knew coming in, like, all right, we're not really 381 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: going to see two tight ends sets that much. Now 382 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: you have two tight ends in there, are gonna see 383 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: two tight end sets where they line up with both 384 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: tight ends on the same side and give us this 385 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: kind of heavy run look, or is it gonna be 386 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: two tight ended sets that look like three receivers with 387 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: Waller out wide? And now at the game plan, do 388 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: I bring an extra dB in. Do I bring an 389 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 3: extra linebacker in? How do I want to kind of 390 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 3: play this and defend this as a defense? Are we 391 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: gonna see more run game? We know Waller's not, you know, 392 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: the really tight end blocker to say, but we put 393 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: him in there and block a little bit, and we 394 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: give the ball to the guy in the back, Saykon Barkley. 395 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: He might not need perfect blocking. So how are we 396 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: gonna hold up against the running game and the passing game? 397 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: I think now that's something dan Quinn's gonna have to see. 398 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: And now we talk about week one. There's not much 399 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: footage of this in the preseason of how they're gonna 400 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: attack you. So now the Cowboys are gonna have to 401 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 3: be ready to adjust if they do get more tight 402 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 3: end looks than they two tight end looks than they thought, 403 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 3: or maybe they don't they get you know, Waller in 404 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: there therasent they go back and forth. So they'll have 405 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: to figure that out as the game kind of. 406 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: Unfolds, the offensive side of the ball and how the 407 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: Cowboys will react. Daniel Jones coming off a solid campaign. 408 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: He cut down his turnovers, he stayed healthy, and I 409 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: think there's a lot of encouraging signs with respect to 410 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: the Giants offense, how much Devin based on what he 411 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: did last season and the weaponry that was added. And 412 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: I really want you to take us behind the scenes 413 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: as a defensive minded player who's now going to study 414 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: up on Daniel Jones. How much does your perception change 415 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: of the Giants quarterback based on what you saw him 416 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: do last season or does it really not You think 417 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: register that much differently in the minds of the Dallas 418 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: Cowboys this season, considering they've seen him up close in 419 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: personal already. 420 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how much it changes from last year, 421 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: but I think the previous years we didn't know who 422 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones was is Daniel Jones was trying to figure 423 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: out because he had all these different offensive coordinators coming 424 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: in the end, so many people tell him different things. 425 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: I think last year with Davill coming in there, and 426 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: when you look at Daniel Jones, I'm not saying he's 427 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: exactly the same as Josh Allen, but when you look 428 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: at Dan Jones and you look at Josh Allen and 429 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: he put Brian day Ball in the middle of it. 430 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: He had a guy in Buffalo that I saw a 431 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 3: lot and Josh Allen, who is very raw, a lot 432 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: of skill sets and tools that not many quarterbacks had, 433 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 3: but he had to kind of bring it all together, 434 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 3: kind of get the mental aspect of playing quarterback. And 435 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: then you take Daniel Jones, who had a lot going 436 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: on different tools that we didn't get to fully see, 437 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: and then he has a guy like Brian Dable come 438 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: in calm it down and say, hey, look, this is 439 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: how we want to play. And I think people saw 440 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: last year like, oh man, you turn on that playoff game. 441 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: He's running, he's throwing, he's doing so many different things 442 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: to win a ball game, and I think that's what 443 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: we're going to see now. Daniel Jones is still going 444 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: to have the capability to tuck the ball and run 445 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: and maybe some design QB runs here and there, but 446 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: now he's going to have so many different weapons inside 447 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: of the field outside the field at running back position, 448 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: he's going to be able to do so many different 449 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: things with da ball and Kafka in his ear. He's 450 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: going to start to like, hey, I can do these 451 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: different things. But you know, maybe with four minutes to 452 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 3: go in the fourth quarter, that's my time to do 453 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: different things. It's my time to tuck the ball and 454 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 3: run and add that eleventh weapon to this offense of 455 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: my legs, like he's gonna start to establish and see, 456 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: all right, I can start to take complete control of 457 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: not just this offense, but I can take over a 458 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: game when it matters the most. And I think that's 459 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: the evolution and the next step for Daniel Jones this year. 460 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 461 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: a turf biz business, grows, your savings, grow, become the 462 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: most celebrated name in turfs. 463 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: Are you ready for all that life brings? 464 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: And that could come out to be beneficial when you're 465 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: going up against the Marcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons and 466 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: you're trying to keep those two guys off guard. You 467 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: want them to be running east and west and north 468 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: and south. As This is the Giants Litle Podcast with 469 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: former Patriots defensive back three times Super Bowl champ Devin mccordy. 470 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: A reminder Giant fans love a winner and it's why 471 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: they love Citizens named a twenty twenty two Best Bank 472 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: in the US by the Banker as the official bank 473 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle, Citizens is 474 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: made ready for fans of Big Blue. Learn more at 475 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: citizens bank dot Com. From the Cowboys perspective, Devin, they're 476 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: bringing back their core, but Kellen Moore is no longer there. 477 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: He's now the offensive coordinator for the Chargers. Mike McCarthy 478 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: is going to take over play calling for the first 479 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: time since twenty eighteen when he was with the Packers, 480 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: and he brings in Brian Shannenheiber. How much do you 481 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: think this Cowboys offense would potentially change and evolve with 482 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: McCarthy back at the controls this season? 483 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: That's what we all want to see it, and I 484 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: know it didn't go perfer for the Cowboys in the playoffs. Well, 485 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 3: when you look at a Cowboys team, you know, over 486 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: the last couple of years under Kellen Moore, that offense, 487 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: you don't really walk away and say, hey man, Kellen 488 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: Moore in that offense is the problem. Like they put 489 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: up great numbers, They've been one of the top offenses 490 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 3: in the league year in and year out. So I 491 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: think one of the hard things for this team is 492 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: going to be all what pressure is on the offense? 493 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: You got rid of a guy basically because you said 494 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: he's no good, and now you have to show why 495 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 3: he was no good. You have to come out and 496 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 3: be a top five offense. You have to come out 497 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: and produce, and then eventually you have to go win 498 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: playoff games, which puts so much pressure week in and 499 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: week out on McCarthy and that offense because the standard 500 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: is still so high. So I'm really anxious to see. 501 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: I don't know what makes this offense different. I don't 502 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 3: know what to play. Do they run the ball more? 503 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 4: Is that? 504 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: Like is that what they felt like they were missing. 505 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: Let's run more? But like Pollard probably won't be out 506 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: there a ton to start this season. So now you're 507 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: trying to figure out, all right, do we want to 508 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: give the ball more to somebody that's gonna be new 509 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: and there playing for us, or do we want the 510 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: ball in Dak Prescott's hand and say, hey, we want 511 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: you to go win the game. So, like that's what 512 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: I'm I want to figure out about this offense. Because 513 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: there's defense. Like you said, they bring a lot of 514 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: guys back. They should kind of hit the ground running, 515 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: especially adding a guy like Gilmour on the other side 516 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: of Digs. They should really go and really lead this team. 517 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: But you know, it's America's team. If it doesn't go 518 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: well week one on in the offense and then it 519 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 3: kind of dribbles into Week two and three, that's going 520 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: to be the talk. And I think that really could 521 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: derail that team because anytime they get a lot of 522 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: media hype or negative toss, I feel like it impacts 523 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: that team more than any other team in the NFL 524 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: because of you, Jerry Jones and ownership. Just so much 525 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: history goes into that team that it makes it tough 526 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: for them to kind of go out there and be 527 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: successful on Sunday. 528 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: Rama never lacking when it comes to the National Football League, 529 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. To emphasize the point that 530 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: you brought up, I agree with you, Devin. Mike McCarthy's 531 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: come out and he said they want to run the 532 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: ball more. But given Tony Pollard's injury, and also going 533 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: back to what we were talking about, if the Giants 534 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: are going to throw out who rookie corners, I would 535 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: think Devin, right from an offensive standpoint, you want to 536 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: keep the ball in Dack's hands and you want to 537 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 2: test that Giant secondary right away here in Week one, we. 538 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: Gotta see what's going on out there, right, you know. 539 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: And I know guys like Saws Gardner and Stingley a 540 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 3: year ago where rookies and Sauce Gardner ends up, you know, 541 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 3: being a great corner in year one. But you still 542 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: when you played the Jets, you had to, you know, 543 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: start the season. We got to see what Sauce is 544 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: really about. It's the same thing with the Giants. Banks 545 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: has been really good, Hawkins has been good, but we 546 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: got as a Cowboys team, I think we got to 547 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: come in and say we got a veteran in Brandon Cooks, 548 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 3: we got a veteran in CD Lamb, we got Gallup, 549 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: we got guys who are proving players in the NFL. 550 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: Going against rookies, we gotta try to throw the ball 551 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: and take advantage and figure out like what's really out there. 552 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 3: But also if we're gonna say Kellen More didn't run 553 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: the ball enough, we can't just come out and just 554 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: throw the ball and then let the Giants pin their 555 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: ears back and send Simmons out their new toy off 556 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: the edge and you know, their pressure and dat. So 557 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a mix, But again it 558 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: goes back to is that mix gonna be the perfect 559 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 3: solution to fix whatever you felt was the problem last 560 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 3: year out your star running back out there, Like I 561 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 3: find I have trouble saying, you know, we're gonna come 562 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: in the game and hand the ball off, you know, 563 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: twenty to twenty five times, but our star guy's not 564 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 3: going to be out there, and you know, we both 565 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: could be wrong, and you know, I don't know if 566 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: its Due's Bawn or somebody else in that roster could 567 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: step in that running back and we'd be like, Wow, 568 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: they had another guy we didn't know. He's a star 569 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: and he's going to really produce for him this year. 570 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: There could always be some tricks up the sleeves of 571 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: various teams, especially since, like you said, it's the land 572 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: of the unknown yere in Week one. There's a lot 573 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: of newness even though this continuity with respect to both 574 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: of the teams. I'm glad, Devin you brought up Isaiah 575 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: Simmons because I'm very interested to get your perspective, giving 576 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: you played corner and safety throughout your career and Isaiah 577 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: Simmons still a very intriguing player in terms of where 578 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: he was drafted and the fact that he was a 579 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: late addition to this Giants roster, and we saw some 580 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: flashes in the last preseason game against the Jets. What 581 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: do you think is his ideal fit and how the 582 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: Giants perhaps could tap into his skill set this season? 583 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Giant he's gonna take some time 584 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: figuring that out. I think the coaching staff way Martinell, 585 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: They're gonna figure out what does this guy do well? 586 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: Right now? We don't want him to try to learn 587 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 3: everything in two weeks that guys have been learning since April. No, 588 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: we want to figure out what he does well and 589 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: whether you want to call it a package or put 590 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 3: him in certain situations play to that to start, let's 591 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: get to know, let's see where he feels more comfortable. 592 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: But I think ultimately around the ball is where we're 593 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 3: gonna see him. Maybe it's you know, that kind of 594 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: outside linebacker slash d n roll where he can come 595 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: off the edge, he can set an edge, he can 596 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: drop back sometimes and coverage where you don't know if 597 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: he's coming or not. I think ultimately that's where he 598 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: ends up. He's just such a special kind of athlete 599 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: that like you don't watch guys and say, hey, he's 600 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 3: gonna be on the edge of a line of scrimmage. 601 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, then we're gonna put him back fifteen 602 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: yards at free safe, like that's unheard of. But ultimately, 603 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: I just don't think you want to see a guy 604 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: that has his kind of talent fifteen yards deep every 605 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: play free safety like he was playing in Arizona. And 606 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: I know he might like that because he does have 607 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: unbelievable talents and skills to be back there, and he's 608 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 3: probably seeing the whole field and he loves that, But 609 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: I just think he won't be involved in enough plays 610 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: all the way back there. He's a guy because he's 611 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: so big, strong and fast that you want to see 612 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: him making plays, even when they hand the ball off, 613 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: even when they drop back to pass like you don't 614 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: want him to be impacted that they can just stay 615 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: away from him and throw to the edges. You want 616 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: him in the mix. But I think the Giants will 617 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: take their time figuring out exactly where they think he 618 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: can be the most productive player he can possibly be, 619 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: And I think probably around week four and five, we'll 620 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: probably see an uptick in maybe his plays and what 621 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 3: he can do compare to the early weeks in the season. 622 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: Devid be Before I let you go, I want to 623 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 2: look at this NFC East division from a big picture perspective. 624 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 2: We had three teams make the playoffs last season. You know, 625 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: the turnover rate in the NFL is unreal. My favorite 626 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: statistic is seven new playoff teams punch their ticket each 627 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: of the last three seasons in the NFL. So you 628 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: know it's unlikely we're going to get the same fourteen 629 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 2: teams back in the thicket things. But there is a 630 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: lot of depth in this division. Even the Washington Commanders 631 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: with Sam Howell and Eric the Enemy are a bit intriguing. 632 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: How would you best assess going into Week one how 633 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: this division may play out? 634 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: And do you think there's going to. 635 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 2: Be as much substance as we saw in twenty twenty two? 636 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: I don't. I think you look at the NFC East 637 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: and the AFC East, they're playing each other this year. 638 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: Those are probably two of the better divisions in football. 639 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: I think both those divisions are going to beat up 640 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: on each other. And I think last year kind of 641 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: for each team, you figure when we play the Commanders, 642 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: you know we should win that game. Not this year, 643 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: like this team. I think the commanders will ruin the 644 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: playoff chances of those other three teams in the division 645 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: because I think they're going to have a chance to 646 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: split with at least two out of those three teams 647 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: in the division because they are better. Sam Howell looks better, 648 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: I think with the enemy coming. I think not only 649 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: what he brings from an offensive mindset, good confidence and 650 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: instills on that offense going out there taking the field, like, hey, 651 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: we got a guy behind us that knows what he's doing. 652 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: He's gonna get us better. So I think those I 653 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: think those four teams, they're gonna have fun, they're gonna 654 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 3: be really good. But I think you're gonna see one 655 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: of those teams have a really good record, probably over 656 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: ten wins, ten eleven wins, and maybe still not make 657 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: the playoffs, which is kind of crazy to think about. 658 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: But this, I think the parody in the NFL right 659 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: now overall is so good that we're gonna see good 660 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: teams that someone consider cantenders not make the playoffs. I 661 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: think it's the same thing in the AFC North, Like 662 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: not all those teams can make the playoffs, but I 663 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: would say Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, if Deshaun Watson is 664 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: the Deshaun Watson of old. But you're talking about good 665 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: football teams might not make the playoffs, and I think 666 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: that's gonna happen even in this division in NFC East. 667 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great point, and I'm with you. 668 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: Washington may not make the playoffs, but could very well 669 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: put it stamp on the division and determined who perhaps 670 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: survives this gauntlet of teams. 671 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: He is Devin mccordy. 672 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 2: You could see him on Football Night in America Sunday 673 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: Night Football Week one Giants Cowboys come in your way 674 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: this weekend at MetLife Stadium. As just like the rookie 675 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: corners on the Giants, Devin makes his transition to the 676 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: broadcast the community. 677 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: Well, Devin, this was a lot of fun. Can't thank 678 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: you enough. Appreciate the time of the inside. 679 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: Best of luck on the broadcast team this year, and 680 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 2: I look forward to talking down the road. 681 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: No problem, man, Hopefully Week one I got my hometown picks. 682 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: We got from New York. Originally I told Dable he 683 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 3: needs to show me some so I could pick the 684 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: Giants Week one over the Cowboys. 685 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: No pressure despite the New Jersey Times, as he got 686 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: ready for Week one. Devin mccortdy with us. Here are 687 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: the Giants Total Podcast. You can catch it on giants 688 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: dot com, the mobile app, and your favorite podcast platforms.