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Speaker 1: We are good? And um, I'm actually glad you and

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Speaker 1: Hasn't been that many seasons? Right this this season two? Okay,

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Speaker 1: There's not any sort of number of opportunities on fish whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: He totally would have, and I had to mention that

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Speaker 1: the gender. Yeah, I know exactly what video you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and we should definitely stop right there because it's just brutal.

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00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: It's just brutal. Um. But anyway, speaking of being on

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Speaker 1: the wrong side of and ass kicking. Um, I think

425
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly where you might find yourself from this installment

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Speaker 1: of fish News. But first right challenge. Ahead of the challenge,

427
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Speaker 1: tell me, Hayden, is this clip from a fishing gear

428
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Speaker 1: or exercise equipment infomercial? But we don't have that kind

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Speaker 1: of time, so we need a device that gives us

430
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: maximum payoff with minimum input. Well, they're appealing to being lazy,

431
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: which uh speaks to a certain subset of Angler. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It definitely speaks to folks buying

433
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Speaker 1: workout equipment off the off the television. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say that's work out two for two. Man. That's the

435
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: health Rider, which I've never heard of. The health Rider. Dude,

436
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: you need to look it up. Do you have a

437
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: health rider tattoo? Like? Yeah? Um, yeah, dude. So in

438
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Speaker 1: doing this, I found this randomly and it's like a

439
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Speaker 1: country western It's like a very western dude in a

440
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: very western Montana setting selling this thing. And I don't

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00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 1: know who the target market was, but obviously didn't work

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Speaker 1: out because um, we've never heard of it. So there

443
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Speaker 1: you go. But two for two good for you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well you know, uh, We've actually messed this up a little. Uh.

445
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: We didn't give Phil his in for fish news. Yes,

446
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: we kind of threw off the rhythm there. Sorry, you

447
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: are indeed right, Phil, it's time for fish news. Fish news.

448
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Speaker 1: That escalated quickly. Hey, I bet I know what you're

449
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Speaker 1: not doing on Black Friday, sitting down to watch the

450
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Speaker 1: final episode of b Side Fishing season two. But that's okay, Okay,

451
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: you'll you'll get to it later. I'm not mad at you,

452
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: but that does, of course drop today at one pm

453
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Speaker 1: Eastern eleven Mountain on The Meat Eater's YouTube channel. Um,

454
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Speaker 1: and we're closing and out back in Virginia, this time

455
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Speaker 1: on the James River. Kind of chasing a mixed bag,

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Speaker 1: but the main focus is those famed James River Blue Cats,

457
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Speaker 1: which I love a lot. I love the James I love. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I'm joined by a friend of the show and

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Speaker 1: good personal friend of me me personally, Oliver and I

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Speaker 1: uh and you know, if you know anything about Oliver,

461
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: big bash dreams, Um, you know, big baits for big

462
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: fish kind of dude, that's what he does so well.

463
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: Uh and I'll let you know he flexes that a

464
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Speaker 1: little bit in here in a surprising way, even though

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Speaker 1: this is a primarily a catfish deal. But for the

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Speaker 1: most part, Oliver put down his swim bait rods and

467
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Speaker 1: um soaked some bloody chunks and we had a smashing

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Speaker 1: good time, minus some very relatable angling hiccups, which you

469
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: will see, so very relatable angling hiccups. Man. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: if there's one thing that speaks to me, it's it's

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Speaker 1: giant cats. Man. I just love the hell out of that.

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00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: And you know, some people don't really get it. And

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Speaker 1: I think that this particular episode of B Side shows

474
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Speaker 1: kind of all the highs and lows of giant catfish

475
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Speaker 1: of many things, especially because people think giant catfishing is uh,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a Simpleton way of fishing, Like

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Speaker 1: you just huck some bait out there and and there's

478
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: a lot more to it than that. Um. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: did I know. I know you've told me you have

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Speaker 1: a thing for big cats, and that's something you haven't

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Speaker 1: really done. I know you chase a lot of channels,

482
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Speaker 1: but um, at some point down the road, man, but

483
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Speaker 1: I gotta take you somewhere with like monsters. Yeah, I mean,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, I have done plenty of cat fishing, and

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Speaker 1: I guess what I would consider a big cat fish.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right, it's all like species specific. But I've

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Speaker 1: tagged with my share of like twenty plus pound channel cats.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you now, if you're like using

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Speaker 1: using what I drew up using plus, that's twenty plus,

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Speaker 1: that's a giant ass channel Cat's huge channel cat. And

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Speaker 1: I have I have caught channel cats that I thought

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Speaker 1: were legitimately in like record contention at least like the

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania state record. In fact, one time I was gonna

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Speaker 1: keep and I was going to submit it for a record,

495
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: and I asked my buddy. I was like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: look up real quick, what's the catfish record in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, uh, I said, what's a channel cat

498
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Speaker 1: record in Pennsylvania. He goes, oh, it's like fifty pounds

499
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Speaker 1: or something like that. He literally looked it up on

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Speaker 1: the show. It's the wrong catfish. Yeah, yeah, he looked

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00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: up flatheads. Ye. I have a picture of that of fish.

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00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you the but yeah, man, um,

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Speaker 1: I was super excited to see, uh the cat fishing

504
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: And man, I think you guys just I don't know

505
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: to me, that's what it's kind of all about the

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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: way you guys portrayed. Yeah, I mean, truth be told.

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Speaker 1: Man like I can get just as excited about chunking

508
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Speaker 1: monster cats as I can like chasing stripers or pike

509
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: catfish don't get enough love in my opinion. Um you know,

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Speaker 1: I know, so they got they got a little more

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00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: love out of me and v side. Anyway, let's get

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Speaker 1: to it. Grab a turkey sandwich, leftover turkey sandwich settled

513
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: in and remember this is a competition. Hayden and I

514
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: do not know which story the other guys bringing to

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Speaker 1: the table. And at the end, our stovetop loving audio

516
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Speaker 1: engineer Phil will judge us and Declara winner. You're laughing.

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Speaker 1: Do you eat stovetop, Hayden? Or is that like you

518
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: can't be sure? The sage Top Mountain Sage Phills just

519
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: got to do something with all that left over white bread. Okay,

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00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: there you go like that anyway, it is actually my

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00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: lead this week. So here we go. Let's do some news.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Bent listener Joe it is I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: butcher it. It's either Steinder Stein Winder. Is it Winder

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Speaker 1: or Winder? Joe Stein winder for this one and winder

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00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: sidewinder Stein Winder. Um good guy. I like him. Maybe

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00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'd have found this on my own, maybe not.

527
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: But he presented it on a silver platter via the

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00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Bent email inbox, and I thank him for that because

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00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: it's a dandy. Okay, Now this actually comes from Yahoo

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Speaker 1: Finance headline A sport fishing boat pollutes as much as

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Speaker 1: one under sixty two school buses will boat businesses survive regulation?

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00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: So this is happening in California. Compelling compelling journalism. So

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00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: this is happening in California, and the sport fishing boats

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00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: being referred to, um, you know here are predominantly large

535
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: party boat style boats and long range style fishing boats

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: that can accommodate a bunch of anglers. Of course, this

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00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: style of boat is not unique California. They exist pretty

538
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: much everywhere that you find saltwater, and um, what's happening

539
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: is not only affecting these fishing boats, but also the

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00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: whale watching fleets of the same size, typically same kind

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Speaker 1: of boats. In some places, they're fishing one day, whale

542
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: watching the next. Very common. Right. So, according to the story,

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Speaker 1: California air Pollution regulators have already clamped down on emissions

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Speaker 1: from big rig trucks, buses, and cargo ships. They have

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00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: now set their sites on the sport fishing and whale

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00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: watching industry because they say they're aging boats with ag

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00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: diesel powered engines are responsible for what officials say is

548
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Speaker 1: an outsize amount of dangerous pollution that lingers over the States,

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00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: marinas and bays. The California Air Resources Board is meeting

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00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: to consider a measure that will require sport fishing, whale

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Speaker 1: watching and other excursion boat owners to install the newest

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00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: and cleanest diesel engines and potentially also a filter to

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Speaker 1: resust exhaust pipe emissions. Now, before I go on here,

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00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: I can attest that that wherever you find party boats

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00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: and whale watching boats, the fleet is often made up

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00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: of very old vessels. Right. These are fifty two on

557
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: foot boats. Most were custom built at some point or

558
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: or bought used by the current operators. And yeah, a

559
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of the party boats you you fish on were

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00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: built in the seventies or eighties, maybe even earlier in

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Speaker 1: some places. These were boats that were meant to last

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Speaker 1: a long time. You don't kind of like get a

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00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: new one every couple of seasons, right, um, and it's

564
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Speaker 1: fair to say that that when a lot of these

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00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: boats were built or per just it was a much

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Speaker 1: more booming time for the party boat industry than it

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00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: is now in many parts of the country. And many

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: of these party boat businesses were started decades ago, and

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00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: the operation stays within one family, which leads to the

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00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: obvious issue here. This is right from the story. The

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00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: boat owners are mostly mom and pop businesses that cater

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Speaker 1: to blue collar anglers and families. They say that they

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00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: don't have the finances, unlike other big businesses, to meet

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Speaker 1: the proposed regulations, and that many may be forced to

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Speaker 1: close up shop. Right. It's super interesting, man, Like this

576
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: is one industry where it's half a lot of it

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00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: like is lifestyle and passion. Right. You know, a lot

578
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: of these folks grew up this way doing this thing.

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, their their daddies were commercial fishermen or charter captains,

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00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: and like, this is what they've committed to doing. The

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00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: overhead is so crazy high. Oh yeah, I'm gonna get

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00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: into that because that's that's the big that's a big

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00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: part of Sorry no no, no, no, no no no,

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00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: but no, that's that's what no, no, no. So so

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00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: here's a quote. Right, I'm terrified I'm supposed to learn

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00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: a new trade now, said Jeff Jessup, forty six, part

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Speaker 1: owner of three fishing boats uh and a landing in

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Speaker 1: San Pedro, who has been in the business like you

589
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: were just saying, since he was a teenager working as

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Speaker 1: a deckhand. He says, I thought this was my future

591
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: and my retirement. So I'm not gonna get super detailed

592
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: on the fight happening here, but basically you have quote

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00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: business experts arguing that environmental regulations have had very little

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Speaker 1: to do with cutting the overall number of jobs in

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Speaker 1: the economy. Instead, they say that regulations often shift jobs

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Speaker 1: from one industry to another, like, as an example, away

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00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: from petroleum industries towards clean energy businesses. Right, And that's

598
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: all well and good, but you can't apply that to

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00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: every single industry that regulations like this will affect, Right, so,

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Speaker 1: it says, is purther story. In the case of mom

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00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and pop businesses such as boat operators, environmental regulations often

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00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: force the industry to consolidate to a smaller number of

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00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: better funded companies willing to pay for the environmental upgrades.

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00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: The thing is right. This is such a small niche

605
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: business already that in many instances it's very hard to

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00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: envision that consolidation. Right. Um. Yeah, The story says that

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00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: many of the wood and fiberglass boat in California's fleet

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00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: they couldn't even accommodate the new cleaner diesel engines if

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00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: they wanted to, nor the diesel filters like those boats

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00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: are just they're not going to fit those engines. So

611
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: how do you fix that? Right? You're only option in

612
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: many cases is to upgrade to a newer metal boat

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00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna cost two to five million dollars. Right, And

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00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: the representatives from the Air Resource boorder telling captains, well,

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Speaker 1: if you just jack your prices by forty bucks, you'll

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Speaker 1: cover it. Jack your prices forty dollars, and our math

617
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: says you'll be fine. Um, you'll be able to get

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Speaker 1: a new boat with cleaner engines. So the Air Resources

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Speaker 1: Board Yeah, yeah, I mean, but but that's the disconnect,

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: and I'll get into that in a second. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: Air Resources Board also estimates that in San Pedro area alone,

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Speaker 1: sport fishing and whale watching boats generate one of all emissions,

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Speaker 1: and say the proposed regulation is estimated to avoid and

624
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: how they get these numbers so specific? I don't know,

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00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: But five and thirty one premature deaths, one hundred and

626
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Speaker 1: sixty one hospital admissions, and two hundred and thirty six

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Speaker 1: hospital visits over the next decade or so. How do

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Speaker 1: you figure that out? I don't know, man, I feel

629
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Speaker 1: like there are like five one premature death it's a

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one hospital admissions and every five minutes.

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Speaker 1: I think just as a result of people going fishing.

632
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Speaker 1: That's you probably right. Now, here's the final twist to this, right,

633
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: quoting the story again. The state agency is considering considering

634
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: similar emissions regulations for commercial fishing operations which operate more

635
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: than one thousand boats in the state. If it passes,

636
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: though that program won't take effect until twenty thirty five.

637
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: The Air Resources Board plans to give commercial fishing boat

638
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: owners extra time to comply because agency officials say the

639
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: businesses don't have the same ability to pass on the

640
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: cost of new engines and boats to their customers. That

641
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: seems like the opposite of what you would think, now,

642
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I will it does, I will say, though, I'm assuming

643
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: that they're talking about mom and pop commercial operations like

644
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the big corporation, you know, yeah, exactly, but still but

645
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: still so, if these regulations pass, it will require all

646
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: the boats in the fishing fleet to be up to

647
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: code in three but boat owners who have financial difficulties

648
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: meeting the deadline may request postponing compliance until as late

649
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: as four And guess what, I'm betting the vast majority

650
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: of will ask for the tension right, Hey, hey man,

651
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: now here's the thing, dude. Two years is a pretty

652
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: unreasonable amount of time to buy a new two to

653
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: five million dollar boat. Now ten years, ten years, I

654
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: think that everybody can afford a new two to five

655
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: million dollar boate. I think that's plenty of time to save.

656
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: That Does that include from now? Can I get a

657
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: five million dollars seventy two ft Viking? I mean, I

658
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: think it's economically. It's another shout out for you, by

659
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: the way, Viking, if you're listening, I just keep I'm

660
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: just gonna keep dropping you until you give me the

661
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: damn boat. Oh my god. Anyway, So, look, so this

662
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: is a really shitty situation, and and I'm not saying

663
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: there aren't two sides. I'm all for cleaner air and

664
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: better tomorrow, as are you right? There's no argument there,

665
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: But I also feel like you don't have any yet, right.

666
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: But I also feel like I have a better understanding

667
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: of how the party boat business works than a lot

668
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: of these quote experts and researchers, and I'm certain the

669
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: boat owners feel the same way. Like you have to

670
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: consider how my prices have already been hiked just to

671
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: accommodate rising fuel costs just that alone, Like when I

672
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: was a kid, it costs like forty bucks a person

673
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: to go fluke fishing on a party boat. Now I

674
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: think it's closer to a hundred. And then now you

675
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: factor in, you know, regulation changes within certain fisheries. To

676
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: use fluke as an example, again, they have to be

677
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: so big to keep anymore, like a keeper fluke. Now,

678
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: if I caught it when I was eight years old,

679
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: the whole dock would have been like, holy sh it,

680
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: did you see that fluke that kid Joey caught over

681
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: on sea dock? Like it's a massive fluke, right, And

682
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to catch keepers and your limit of them,

683
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: So for a lot of people, it doesn't pay to

684
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: go on a party boat to catch them anymore, you know,

685
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I was just out last week

686
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: and our TALG season just open here there were ten

687
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: party boats out with very few people on any of them,

688
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: and years ago they had have been packed. But for

689
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: many people, I think that a party boat is no

690
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: longer like the ch option. I mean, for a lot

691
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: of people, a hundred hundred fifty bucks, like that's that's

692
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: not cheap anymore. Um. And frankly, I question how many

693
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: even stay in business already. I question how they make

694
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: even enough to keep the boats running, let alone turn

695
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: a significant profit. So for these boats in California, So

696
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: it's a pretty crushing blow man, you know. Yeah, yeah,

697
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine kind of just having that like that

698
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: burden just sort of like thrust upon you. Um, even

699
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: even if it's for these like objectively good reasons. The

700
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: problem that I like, I often that's the problem, isn't it.

701
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: Like it's not a bad reason. The core reason yeah, yeah, yeah,

702
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: the core reason is good. That the thing is is like,

703
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: as folks, we see problems, and because the problem exists,

704
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: we also assume a perfect solution exists. And I feel

705
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: like that's where a lot of folks get hung up

706
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: is like in looking for these perfect solutions that don't exist. Yeah,

707
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't really know what to do with the information

708
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: that you just gave me about this, like, because it

709
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: seems the number one thing that we have to do

710
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: as folks is work to better our environment because you know,

711
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you get one on the flip side of that, it's like,

712
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: can you justify all this like collateral damage? Um, you know,

713
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: to make up for how we like Stubb since the

714
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution? You know, and I mean you're you're going deep,

715
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: but even on just a lesser level, it just pains me.

716
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: Even though I don't know the full story on the

717
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: commercial ops, it just seems like another way to kick

718
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Mom and Pop in the ass, Like why them first?

719
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, like these businesses are struggling so hard already,

720
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: and like you said, it's an entertainment industry. They're not

721
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: a party. But it's not a necessity. You know. Let

722
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: me ask you this though, like how how in this

723
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: particular scenario, how don't you kick like a Mom and

724
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: Pop in the ass. It's very difficult, you know. It's

725
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: it's it's like with like long you know, own an

726
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: operator truck drivers. You know, it's like, how don't you

727
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: kick them in the ass. Is it like a grant situation? Yeah,

728
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: and we're not going to figure that out right now.

729
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: But it also it's just another way listeners, this podcast

730
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: is going to go on until Joe and are stopping.

731
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make another charming sandwich. We'll be here

732
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, right on. So, uh, you know,

733
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: sad story. It's it's just another blow to fishing. You know,

734
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: we already deal with so much of that with regulations

735
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: that get thrust upon us that aren't thrust upon commercial guys,

736
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: and back and forth. I hope this figures its way out,

737
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: and uh, at least they buy ten years to figure

738
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: it out, not have to have it done by twenty three.

739
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: So hey, Joe man, let's let's let's let's move on here.

740
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: Let's move into a way that recreational fishing and commercial

741
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: fishing might be helping save the environment. That transition. I like,

742
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: it's good alright. So um, I know I've been on

743
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: the international beat for the last couple to three weeks here,

744
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: but now I'm bringing it back to I guess Montana terms,

745
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, right down the right down the road from

746
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: where I am. Unlike a lot of stories I've been

747
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. This is sort of like a

748
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: the story that requires a little bit of context and unpacking,

749
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and I'm going to break this ship down into like

750
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: a where what when kind of organizations say yeah, do it.

751
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: I also wanted to say that down the road in

752
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Montana could be like three hours away, right, it's differ

753
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: is It's about that? So, speaking of let's start with where. Um. Okay,

754
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: So this story comes from Lena Beck writing for The

755
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Counter and I apologize if I mispronounced your first name. There. Um. So,

756
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: there's this big gass lake out here called Flathead Lake,

757
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: and it's like two hundred square miles or something. I

758
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: think it's the biggest lake in the state. Uh, you know,

759
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: to contextualize, bigger than the Lake Tahoe. Um. Now, Flathead

760
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Lake straddles an important boundary, the boundary between the state

761
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: of Montana and the Flathead Reservation, home of the Confederate

762
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: Sailish and Kotney tribes. This is important and we're gonna

763
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: get to why later on. Anyhow, Flathead Lake basically forever

764
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: has been a stronghold for what I think of is

765
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: one of the defining species of the American West and

766
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: that's the bull trout So that's our what if you're

767
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: not journalism class, throw it back. If if you're not familiar,

768
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: bull troutter basically like a giant I mean, I know

769
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: you are familiar. Job is for listeners, bultrotter basically a

770
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: giant badass char And incidentally they actually look a little

771
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: bit like lakers Um. They're super cool and they're also

772
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: super protected. In fact, there are only a handful of

773
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: fishery is outside of Canada where you can legally target them. Yeah,

774
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: and I mean all the places I've been, I've yet

775
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: to go on a on a bully trip like a

776
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: legit you're allowed to fish for them. Here, Bully trip

777
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: still on my bucket list. Yeah. So we got our where,

778
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: we got our what Now let's talk about when? And

779
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: there are actually like three winds in this story. You

780
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: got nineteen o five, one and a couple of dates

781
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: more or less more or less in the last two decades,

782
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: which I'm gonna lump together here mostly for sentence structure.

783
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning. In nineteen o five, Montana

784
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: officials made the dumbass decision to put non native fish

785
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: into Flathead Lake among them the lake trout. The lake

786
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: trout took to their new environment the best out of

787
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: all these non native species that were introduced, And for

788
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: a long time it wasn't a big deal. And in fact,

789
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: it was like pretty rare that you caught one. But

790
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: they were just kind of this omnipresent. Uh. Folks reference

791
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: them or reference them, refer to them as macinal. So

792
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that word in here a couple

793
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: of times, and it is half the battle, okay. So,

794
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: and then in so it's it's been fine for like

795
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: seventy five years. Then in mices shrimp were introduced into

796
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: the lake. Um. The idea was that they'd be a

797
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: great food resource for the cocon ey salmon, another non

798
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: native fish that inhabited the Flathead Right. Well, this backfired spectacularly. Uh.

799
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Cocon Ey salmon almost exclusively eat zoo plankton and weren't

800
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: super interested in the shrimp at all. Um Mices shrimp

801
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: also eat zooplankton, and eventually the shrimp population grew to

802
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: such numbers that they out competed the cocony By uh,

803
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: there were no more cocon e in Flathead Lake, which,

804
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: in the context of this story, like is kind of unimportant.

805
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: The important thing is that there are were a lot

806
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: of shrimp kicking around. Uh So the cocony weren't about them,

807
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: but you know who did love to eat them? Who's

808
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: that the lake trout, specifically juvenile lake trout. And because

809
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: the shrimp were so abundant, the lake trout population exploded.

810
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: But these little shrimp can only sustain a laker for

811
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: so long. Eventually the lakers had to eat other bigger things.

812
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: Do you see where this is going, Joe, I see

813
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: where this is going because this this happens all over

814
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: the country. Lakers are a great idea until they're not

815
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: and they start eating all the native fish and things

816
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: like that. Yep, they started eating all the native fish

817
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: and things like that, and particularly uh trout. They were

818
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: estimated to be about a thousand left in Flathead Lake.

819
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: M hmm brittle, Yeah, pretty much extirpated. Anyhow, So back

820
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: to the fact that Flathead is on both res Land

821
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: and Montana state Land, it became obvious to both sides

822
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 1: that this ship was a major problem. So around two

823
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: thousand they came together and decided that they needed to

824
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: tackle this situation. From what I could tell, the Confederated

825
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: SAILORSH and Kutiney tribes. From here out, I'm going to

826
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: refer to them as c s KT and the state.

827
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: That's an acronym. Bro Okay that that started out on

828
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: the same foot. Opting for an angular centric solution to

829
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: the problem, the c s KAT started a program called

830
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: mac Days mack and short from Mackinaw and at the

831
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: inaugural events, like nine hundred mcinal were caught. Now the

832
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: number is close to sixty thousand caught annually at these events.

833
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: It's a lot of yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot.

834
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: Despite this call, the c s KT noticed that the

835
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: population was only expanding to the point that by the

836
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: mid two thousand's they realized that an angler approach wasn't

837
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: going to be sufficient. The state disagreed and continued to

838
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: push for an angler based approach to management um. But

839
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: long story short, eventually the state came around and saw

840
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: what the c s k T had seen all along,

841
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: that a different approach was absolutely necessary. Well, yeah, man,

842
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: and this sort of thing has happened in a lot

843
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: of places with lakers. Dare I bring up snakeheads? After

844
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: being berated about my snakehead obsession earlier in this podcast,

845
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: But I mean, same deal. It's like, hey, no limit,

846
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: catch all you want, catch all you don't do, But

847
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: that often doesn't work to fix the problem. Like you

848
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: can open the limits. You could say, you know, kill

849
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: all you want. Um. Sometimes, you know, the hunter Angler

850
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: sort of approached conservation. It isn't always the be all

851
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: end all. It's not always the answer. It's just it's

852
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: gonna happen that way. It could be part of it,

853
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: It could always be part of it in most circumstances,

854
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's just too big of a problem. So

855
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: what the c s k T did was developed a

856
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: commercial fishing program. See kids, commercial fishing isn't always the devil,

857
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: and it can in fact help of fishery. Anyhow, They

858
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: basically net a ship ton of these things and sell

859
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: them to restaurants, grocery stores, and private buyers. It's about

860
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: five and a half times more effective than the MAC

861
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: days alone. The MAC days alone represent about four thousand

862
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: pounds of fish removed annually, where the commercial fishery represents

863
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: closer to pounds. Right, So, I mean, are they pretty

864
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: confident do they do? They think this is really going

865
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: to solve um? The problem you get rid of the

866
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: lakers and flathead once and for all. They confident in

867
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: that sort of Um, they think that this is going

868
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: to Their goal is in to get rid of them altogether,

869
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: because you know, short of like poisoning a body of water,

870
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: it's basically impossible. Um. They do think that this is

871
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: going to reduce the population of lakers by like se, which,

872
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: based upon their projections, will get the bull shop popular

873
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: lation to bounce back to around, which is an infinitely

874
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: more tenable situation and would constitute like a huge conservation

875
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: success story. Anyhow, that's pretty much my fish news story.

876
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: It's not exactly like a current event, but it highlights

877
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: how complex our fisheries can be and how much impact

878
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: our own meddling has in the survival of our native fish.

879
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's to increase sport fisheries or you know,

880
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times to see fish introduced to grass

881
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: carp you know, aid some sort of perceived problem. Um.

882
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: It also demonstrates like the importance of including native folks

883
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: in the management of their own land. You know a

884
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, we like to come in

885
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: and decide what needs to be done, but ultimately we

886
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: we can learn a lot by deferring uh a certain

887
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: amount of our opinion to maybe the people that it

888
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: impacts the most. And I think we can learn a

889
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: lot from that great example of a lot of things

890
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: that sort of get bad rap and have a lot

891
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: of infighting working um together here and I certainly hope

892
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: this is the solution, even though it's it's sort of harsh.

893
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: It's a it's a quicker, more harsh way to get

894
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: rid of all these fish. The bullstrot are more important.

895
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: And I think in a case where you're not fighting

896
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: about um and I'm not knocking it, but we've done

897
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: stories here about like chubs and minnows that were native

898
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: that went away and then there were there were fights

899
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: to bring those back. Bullstrots are pretty special fish. I mean,

900
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: by my own admission, it's something I have not gone

901
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: to chase yet. UM. So I hope to see that works.

902
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know, we'll we'll defer to Phil to

903
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: see what worked in our favor this week. Phil, Um,

904
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: you know, I have to put down the bulls. The

905
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: turkey on white bread and the bull stoked up for

906
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: a second and then after that, I don't know, it's

907
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: it's uh. I think I think you and I deserve

908
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: to go have a drink in honor of Thanksgiving weekend.

909
00:50:53,840 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: Are we going to a bar? We are Hey's Holes.

910
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Despite the big divorce parents energy coming from my mom

911
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: and dad in the late nineties. It may shock you

912
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: to learn that I have never had stovetop stuffing. I

913
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: had my fair share of the journo's pizza and Hamburger helper,

914
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: but I don't think I've had a loaf of white

915
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: bread in my house. Since those events are unrelated. That's

916
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: just kind of how the timing worked out. I don't

917
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: know what to tell you anyway. The winner this week

918
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: is the Lake Trout. Congrats, I'm winning the big Fishy lottery,

919
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: and I hope you had a lovely Thanksgiving. So, Hayden,

920
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: before we scurry the show along, keep moving forward here,

921
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: how about another clip? All right? Let's do it all right? Great?

922
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: Round three? Is this a clip from a phishing infomercial

923
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: or exercise infomercial? But it failed at first, but then

924
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: it began to work. Once at work, I knew I

925
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: was onto something. I put my job. Well, um, somebody

926
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: talking about how they quit their job for this immediately

927
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: makes me think it was fishing related. Uh, it's a

928
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: tough one that I've tried to make him increasingly more difficult.

929
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: The VHS like static. It makes you think it was

930
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: low budget to begin with. So this dude quit his

931
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: job to pursue this. It didn't have a lot of

932
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 1: money making his infomercial I'm gonna go fishing again. Oh man, good,

933
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Three for three, that's the flying

934
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Man that is flying Laura in Ventnor Alex Langer talking

935
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: about what he did to get the Flying Lawer off

936
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: the ground. But it's not flying that high today, to

937
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: be honest with you. So you know, I always thought

938
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: it was a great lure. I still have some great lords.

939
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: The tube that it falls backwards like you throw it

940
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: against the dock and it falls backwards under the dock.

941
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: I actually had, actually had Hank actually had Hank Parker

942
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: himself once tell me that the Flying Lore is real good,

943
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: and I believe him. Anyway, Those were fun So all right, Uh,

944
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of time to bring the show home here,

945
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: and I think there's there's nothing that says home for

946
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: the holiday is quite like getting wasted with your dumbass

947
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: high school friends at the local bar you've been sneaking

948
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: into since you were sitting through a pecalc. You sat

949
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: through a pcalc. Right, you are grossly overestimating how good

950
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: of a student I was, Man, I was. I was

951
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: protelling what it came to math, I was terrible, all right,

952
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: all right, that look that may be the case, but

953
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: let's go have a drink and we can talk about

954
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: where it all went wrong. Um, it's time for one

955
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: of my favorite segments, and this week we have a

956
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: great one coming to us from the Silver State. It's

957
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: time for it. That's my bar best god damn bartender

958
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: from kim Buck to to Portland, Maine, a port and

959
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: argument for that matter. Now, I've always associated Thanksgiving weekend.

960
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: Uh it's kind of a drinking weekend, right, but I

961
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: will admit that. Um yeah, back in the day, I

962
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: never really did the Thanksgiving Eve bar crawl because I

963
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: was usually fishing Thanksgiving morning and I didn't want to

964
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: get all banged up. Um what about you? You like

965
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: there's that a party night or or get some sleep night? Uh,

966
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: we'll see. Here's the thing, man, I hate everybody that

967
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: I went to high school with, so all right, like

968
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: I's not trying to run into him bar. That is

969
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: that is very fair. I can sort of identify with that. Yes,

970
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: for sure, that's that's a good call. Um, Okay, there

971
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: you go. Anyway, it's also a big travel weekend of course. Um.

972
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: And maybe you have family three hours northeast of Las Vegas.

973
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: They'll probably not because I think only five or six

974
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: families live there. Yeah, you know, so the odds are unlikely.

975
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: But regardless, about three hours northeast of Vegas, you will

976
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: find the town of posh Nevada, which is the closest

977
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: town to the bar we're featuring, which is the Eagle

978
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: Valley Resort. And this nomination comes to us from listener

979
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: Ben Parks. And here's what he says. Eagle Valley Resort

980
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: might as well have a sign out front that says

981
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: degenerate anglers welcome. I've never actually looked for a definition

982
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: of the word resort, but I'm pretty sure this ain't it.

983
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: The bar dog will greet you, the locals will scallet you,

984
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: and the mixture of cigarette smoke and the smell of

985
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: stale beer will transport you back to the nineteen seventies

986
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: when your dad lets you Sometimes tag along with him

987
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: to the bar, located about three hours north northeast of

988
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and just a few miles from the Nevada

989
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: Utah border, is the best fishing bar I've ever found

990
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: in Nevada. While there must be at least three more

991
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: fishing bars in Nevada, I haven't found them yet. With

992
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: Eagle Valley Reservoir a few miles upstream and Echo Canyon

993
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: Reservoir eight miles downstream, you have too to all caps

994
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: fishing options around here. And in parentheses, he says, us

995
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: Nevada's get excited about fishing options, not many, Okay, Well,

996
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: so they might not have a ton of fishing options

997
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: out there in the desert, although Pyramid Lakes in Nevada,

998
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: right it is. And I gotta tell you, man, like

999
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: I've never really, I've only desert fished a little bit.

1000
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to fish around Vegas or film something there.

1001
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: But um, he's right, like, there's not a there's not

1002
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: a ton of options. I don't spend that much time

1003
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: in the desert. And even with the options that there are,

1004
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: Ben doesn't exactly sell us on those. Uh No, Now

1005
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: it continues after you've spent a day soaking power bait

1006
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: for stocker rainbows or throwing lures for the unimpressive large

1007
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: mouths and crappy or drowning meal worms on the very

1008
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: short ice season, so one could imagine you can head

1009
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: to the resort for a cold one part general store

1010
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: for the necessities. Fourth of July colored power bait with

1011
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: sparkles is crushing them today. It's the best part right there,

1012
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: part bar in part casino with video poker and slot machines, parenthesy,

1013
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: what else would you expect from a tiny bar and

1014
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: nowhere Nevada. A few crusty trout and bass bounce on

1015
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: the walls, along with various dilapidated mounted critters. It all

1016
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: really sets them beyond meter. To my sister in law

1017
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: is an aspiring I'm reading this for the first time.

1018
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: My sister in law is an aspiring rustic interior decorator. Yeah,

1019
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: so I gotta say right, it was such a nice

1020
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: touch on the fourth of July covered power bait that

1021
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: like really sets the vibe of the area. Okay. Also,

1022
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: I've used that before, truth and it works. Um, I'm

1023
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: pretty sure the glitter it's infused with is biodegradable at

1024
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: least I think. Um. Anyway, it's probably not no anyway

1025
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: moving along, the more remote the place is, the more

1026
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: needs it has to fulfill. R V spots, yep, rented cabin,

1027
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: yup fishing supplies, beer, butter, milk, eggs, replacement mantles for

1028
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: your ancient Coleman landard, yep, Cell service, Nope. Your kids

1029
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: can slam billiard balls around on the table until one

1030
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: of them smashes a finger. You can work your way

1031
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: to the bathrooms through the undulations that you know means

1032
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: there were at least three phases of construction in parentheses

1033
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: brother in law's aspiring rustic architect. Or you can drink

1034
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: your beer in silence as you stare at the sign

1035
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: behind the bar that says we don't call nine one

1036
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: one with a barrel end view of a three fifty

1037
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: seven no ship. Your phone isn't gonna work here anyway.

1038
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: This dude must be young, because I we got to

1039
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: remind him that there are such thing as landlines, and

1040
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: I bet you this relic of a bar might have one, right,

1041
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I still have one. The only people that call our

1042
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: spam and my my mother, well, you don't know why

1043
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: we keep it landline or not. Man, you know that

1044
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: the lone sheriff of that county is already in there anyhow,

1045
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and he has probably more inclined to help hide the

1046
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: bodies rather than do yes. It reminds me of the

1047
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: scene in The Vacation when the sheriff is the mechanic

1048
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: that rips Clark griswold Off on bald tires um. Anyway, well,

1049
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Speaker 1: I can't say I think that we're gonna rush out

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Speaker 1: to fish there after that exciting overview of the angling opportunities.

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Speaker 1: This does sound like an absolutely killer bar. I would

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Speaker 1: drink there with bells on. Ben. Thank you for sending

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Speaker 1: that one along. And if you've got a fishy dive

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Speaker 1: you want shouted out, send your nomination and description to

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Speaker 1: us at bent at the meat Eater dot com. So

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Speaker 1: that's it for this week. And let's be honest, most

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Speaker 1: of you are probably out doing fun things on Black Friday.

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Speaker 1: You had a day off, so if you caught up

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Speaker 1: after the holiday, I guess I could say probably happy

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Speaker 1: Cyber Monday to most of you at this point. We

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Speaker 1: hope everybody had a wonderful Thanksgiving and that you're getting

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Speaker 1: on the water or in the field. This weekend with

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Speaker 1: family or just the good people you choose to surround

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Speaker 1: yourself with. And you should tell all those people about

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Speaker 1: the Bent podcast. Maybe ask them to send a bar

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Speaker 1: nomination or an awkward photo or elban item to Bent

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Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com. You should definitely ask that,

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Speaker 1: and you should also definitely keep using those Bent podcast

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Speaker 1: and Degenerate Angler hashtags on Instagram. And speaking of Instagram,

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Speaker 1: let's close out with a final infomercial clip just for you,

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Speaker 1: the listeners. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna close out with one.

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Speaker 1: Feel free to comment on my Friday Bent post on

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Speaker 1: a hokey fishing product or terrible exercise equipment being pushed.

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Speaker 1: Either way, no matter which one it is, Bonus points

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Speaker 1: if you can name the product. If it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: work for you, we've got a six month money back guarantee.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You can try this thing out for six months,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't like it at any point, you

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Speaker 1: can send it back to us and we'll give you

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Speaker 1: a refunds Desta