WEBVTT - Stephanie Mills

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. March is

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<v Speaker 1>Women's History Month as we celebrate at QLs, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to look back at this plastic episode for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one with Stephanie Mills, who talks about her incredible

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<v Speaker 1>music and theater contributions. I love this episode. Hope you enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>Much love and Team Supreme. We got a lay in

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<v Speaker 1>the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, hello, hello, hello.

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<v Speaker 1>We got unpaid unpaid bill? Yeah, you's sorry? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>What up?

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<v Speaker 1>Man man? Yes, sir and Sugar see my whole childhood

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Huh, I know, Sugar, Stevie Dare Yeah, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I say, Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today,

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<v Speaker 1>legendary singer is really putting it lightly before the past

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<v Speaker 1>five decades, she's never lost a step in her powerful

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<v Speaker 1>vocal range. Be it as a Broadway sensation that came

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<v Speaker 1>into our lives in the original cast run of The

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<v Speaker 1>Whiz to our legendary run of hits. Working with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest producers ever named Phil Ramone for backrack,

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<v Speaker 1>how David James and Toomey Lucas, George Duke, David Hawkwazinski,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Martinelli, Robert Brookins, all my favorites. As since she's

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<v Speaker 1>worked with all my favorites, she is my favorite. I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought this day was coming, but I'm happy to say,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, welcome to quest Love Supreme. Stephanie Mills.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm honored to be here. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you today?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good. I'm good in this crazy world we're living in.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah, i'd seen you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh at the airport. Yeah, I was three, three years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It is either the airport or the train station one

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<v Speaker 1>and and I could not believe you knew I was alive.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Hi, I'm Stephanie, and you said hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, you know who I am. Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that is amazing. Yeah, we have a gajillion

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<v Speaker 1>questions to ask you. So we're just going to start, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I always start with your your origins. Where are you from?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm from Brooklyn, New York, but I make my Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 5>North Carolina. But I'm from Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Charlotte?

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<v Speaker 4>I live in Charlotte for the last two eight years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, wow you neighbor. Yeah from me.

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<v Speaker 6>So my hometown is Greensboro. That's why I'm I was

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<v Speaker 6>raised in Greensboro. But home is Raleigh. Me and my

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<v Speaker 6>family we live in Raleigh now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but no, that's home. Oh wow, Okay, Stephan

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<v Speaker 1>music is playing North Carolina. That's what's up. Yeah, everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>playing in North Carolina. Man, I feel like that's quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beyond the not even a retirement town, but just

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<v Speaker 1>everyone I know is relocating there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Living is easy.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not chaotic, you know, it's just and my family,

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<v Speaker 5>my mom and my dad were from here, so I

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<v Speaker 5>spent all my summers here as a child, and I

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<v Speaker 5>have a lot of family here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like that back when you left the city

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<v Speaker 1>for the summer to live with grandparents.

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<v Speaker 5>Or yeah, like you would come and stay with my

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<v Speaker 5>aunts and my cousins, and like my cousin was here tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Helped putting this all together because I challenge when it comes.

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<v Speaker 1>To all this kind of guess what so were we.

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<v Speaker 4>I like, you know, being able to call them come

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<v Speaker 4>over to my house to help me. I have an

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<v Speaker 4>interview tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>So Okay, that's cool, that's cool. What part what part

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<v Speaker 1>of Brooklyn? Where are you from? Jephst bed sty Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning, I mean I know that you were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, practically singing out of the womb put just

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<v Speaker 1>musically speaking, Like when did you when was that voice

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<v Speaker 1>fully not fully developed? But like when did you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that you had something that not many people had? That voice?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how old were you?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I realized it even till this day.

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<v Speaker 4>I just like to sing.

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<v Speaker 5>I like, I mean, I went to the Apollo and

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<v Speaker 5>I won six weeks in a row. And the six

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<v Speaker 5>weeks that I was there, James Brown performed, ROBERTA.

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<v Speaker 1>Flacks as well, correct.

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<v Speaker 5>Isley Brothers as well. Yes, and then I got a

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<v Speaker 5>chance to perform with the Isley Brothers and do shows

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<v Speaker 5>with them. And then after that I auditioned for Maggie Flynn,

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<v Speaker 5>which was a Broadway show. I was about eleven years

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<v Speaker 5>old and that ran on Broadway about nine years. And

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<v Speaker 5>then after that I recorded I Knew It was Love

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<v Speaker 5>and that's how they heard about me for the for

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<v Speaker 5>the Whiz.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I know of your sister Cassandra in the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the rest of your family are they musically

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<v Speaker 1>inclined as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Or no?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Cassandra was my sister in law. She was married

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<v Speaker 4>to my brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, giant records. Yes, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 5>She still keeps the she still keeps the name. But

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<v Speaker 5>she was married to my brother Alan, who's now deceased,

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<v Speaker 5>May may God.

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<v Speaker 4>Rest his soul.

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<v Speaker 5>But she managed her and my brother managed me for

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<v Speaker 5>a while. Yeah, okay, so best of my family are

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<v Speaker 5>not musically inclined. No, they would us really involved management

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<v Speaker 5>wise when I was younger in my career.

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<v Speaker 1>So all the talent went to you. Yeah, I see,

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<v Speaker 1>all the talent went to you. Yeah, So in can

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<v Speaker 1>you just what was I don't think we've yet to

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<v Speaker 1>interview someone that was part of Showtime or at least

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<v Speaker 1>amateur nighted the Apollo in the seventies, at least like

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<v Speaker 1>was it his? Was it as harrowing as the urban

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<v Speaker 1>legend will lead you to think it was? At least

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<v Speaker 1>for people that told me.

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<v Speaker 4>What did they say about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know everything brutal? Yeah, man, come out, Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't brutal for me.

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<v Speaker 5>You come out and you rub the stuff and everything,

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<v Speaker 5>and I sang my song, I sang Who's Loving You

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<v Speaker 5>by the Jackson five and but once in my life

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<v Speaker 5>zebe Wonder and you sing those songs every every time

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<v Speaker 5>you go up.

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<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't brutal for me. My whole family was

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<v Speaker 4>around me, and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Was very protective, and I was able to go up

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<v Speaker 5>on stage and watch like James Brown perform and all

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<v Speaker 5>of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was I It wasn't a bad experience for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You could sing.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't know to be you can sing, so she

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<v Speaker 1>had allow okay, not a I see okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess your your career as a recording artist happened after

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<v Speaker 1>your first play, that's what you just said, or.

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<v Speaker 5>After my first play after Maggie Flynn. Then I was

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<v Speaker 5>signed to Paramount Records, and I recorded.

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<v Speaker 4>A record with.

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<v Speaker 5>Burt Back, not back because that was with Motown Bert

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<v Speaker 5>Keys Okay, and I knew it was love came out

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<v Speaker 5>was a.

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<v Speaker 4>Single and Ken Harper, who was a DJ on A

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<v Speaker 4>what is It A?

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<v Speaker 2>And M?

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<v Speaker 4>Not A and M but What's the morning station? Not FM,

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<v Speaker 4>but but AM radio.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a jock on AM radio and they were

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<v Speaker 5>putting together The Wiz and they heard my single and

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<v Speaker 5>I had gone up for a lot of different things

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<v Speaker 5>that I didn't get, so I did not want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Audition for the Wiz.

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<v Speaker 5>My mother made me go that morning and she went

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<v Speaker 5>with me, and then I auditioned three times after that

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<v Speaker 5>and they told me I had to roll up.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not want to go. I hate auditions.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't I if.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone called and said we'd like to see you for

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<v Speaker 5>some I would not go. I'm petrified I cannot audition.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but you chose theater so early in life, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I love theater. I love the state.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, Melbourne Moore and I are working on something

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<v Speaker 5>that we're going to do uh next year, and we're

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<v Speaker 5>excited about it because I love Melbourne. I think she's

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<v Speaker 5>like the queen she I'm I'm on Broadway because of her.

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<v Speaker 4>She paid the way, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked to her yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, yeah, she's just brilliant.

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<v Speaker 5>So we've been friends for a long time. In fact,

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<v Speaker 5>Melbourne gave me my first yellow Bick road party when

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<v Speaker 5>I was Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And how old were you when you did the Wiz?

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<v Speaker 1>How old you at that time?

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<v Speaker 4>I was actually seventeen, but they said I was fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, Oh, gotcha? Yeah, okay, so you're a child. So

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<v Speaker 1>the whiz Yeah, I saw your run when you did

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<v Speaker 1>it really well. Yeah, he went deep with it. She

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<v Speaker 1>has the tattoo on her arm. You still have that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry what I wouldn't have said that, nod.

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<v Speaker 2>You made me sound like a stalker, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Much, a stalker, very much. So I think you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I got to say out of I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>could have been one of those mindless people that just

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<v Speaker 1>does the you know they do the the Japanese characters,

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<v Speaker 1>not what it represents. You have one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>unique I approve of your tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>And admit something to me because, in full disclosure, it

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<v Speaker 2>missed something to me because I said I wanted something

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<v Speaker 2>that would mean something for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>My godfather's Charlie Smalls. He wrote a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>music and Charlie passed, so I actually call this his angel,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's Charlie.

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<v Speaker 5>Charlie Smalls was brilliant. In fact, he was the one

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<v Speaker 5>who actually sat down with me at the piano.

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<v Speaker 4>And taught me my songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, I can't wait, I kind of I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't wait for you to talk about like

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<v Speaker 2>the home process.

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<v Speaker 1>And that song and we're here already, let's go, let's go.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, first of.

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<v Speaker 5>All, I had never that was my first time being

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<v Speaker 5>around like someone like Andre the Shields, who was a

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<v Speaker 5>brilliant whiz and Jeffrey.

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<v Speaker 4>Holder and.

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<v Speaker 1>The original wins yes.

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<v Speaker 5>Behold the design, the cost stills, and then he later

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<v Speaker 5>became the director because they fired Gilbert Moses.

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<v Speaker 4>But Gilbert Moses was the original director.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, Jeffrey yeah, Nelson Nelson from Boomerang, we got I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more Boomerang. I barely remember. He was pun Jabbin' Annie.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yes, yes, and the colon that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was there. He was seven he was the

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<v Speaker 1>seven up guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forgot yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so the process, Yeah, can you who? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew who you were when I was five, But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what was it like to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>eye of that storm? And you know, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the whiz was just something that we've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>before as as black people.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>It was it because you know, being a black shell

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<v Speaker 5>and and doing the whiz. Of course, the the what

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<v Speaker 5>do you call the critics hated us. I mean they hated.

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<v Speaker 4>We got terrible, terrible reviews when we first opened.

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<v Speaker 5>Because my belonged to a big church, Cornerstone Baptist Church

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<v Speaker 5>in Brooklyn, and Ken Harper's mother belonged to a big church.

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<v Speaker 5>Before we actually did our our commercial, they would sit,

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<v Speaker 5>they would come in bus loads and that helped us

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<v Speaker 5>until we did our commercial. Once we did the commercial

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<v Speaker 5>for the Whiz, we were fine. But it was it

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<v Speaker 5>was there was a lot of things working working against us,

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<v Speaker 5>but we we prevailed. We really prevailed because they did

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<v Speaker 5>not want us on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you're saying that it was not critically acclaimed. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how the movie wasn't either though I get

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<v Speaker 1>it now, but I just it was too.

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<v Speaker 2>Different, right, and it was it was too different and

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<v Speaker 2>it was all black.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, Judy Garland was.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Julie chat protective of there. Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I used to watch The Wizard every year when

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<v Speaker 4>it would come on.

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<v Speaker 5>Never did I imagine that I would play, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Dorothy because that was one of my favorite, uh fairy tales.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you tell the people who are listening, because

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<v Speaker 2>everybody didn't get a chance to see your version of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have seen the movie version. What

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<v Speaker 2>are the major like different breakdowns between the two.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, I was a young girl, Diane

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<v Speaker 5>was a woman, and we basically took version from The

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<v Speaker 5>Wonderful Wizard of Oz. It's just black cass, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>But the movie was different. It It went somewhere somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 5>Even though Michael was was in it, and I felt

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<v Speaker 5>like he was brilliant, and I felt like Diane was

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<v Speaker 5>brilliant too, But I always was more like The Wonderful

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<v Speaker 5>Wizard of Oz.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just called the Wiz.

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<v Speaker 2>The same musical numbers though right like same song.

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<v Speaker 5>It's known because Charlie broke all news. We had all

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<v Speaker 5>original music. We had these on down the road. They

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<v Speaker 5>had followed the Yellow Bick road. I had home, and

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<v Speaker 5>she had Somewhere over the Rainbow.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was.

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<v Speaker 1>In the movie was the original one. We're comparing the

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<v Speaker 1>movie in the Broadway version.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking about the yes, what you said, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Question though your second label was Motown. Yes, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume that you were kind of in Barry Gordy's radar.

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<v Speaker 1>So being as though you were Motown, artists pre whiz.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you got it, How weird was it? Was it

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<v Speaker 1>ever up in the air that you might do the

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<v Speaker 1>movie version at all? Like was it even a discussion

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<v Speaker 1>or when.

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<v Speaker 5>They had a different uh uh, there was a different

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<v Speaker 5>director first, I forget his name, so not Sidney.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't Sidney Lamet.

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<v Speaker 5>They had a different director and it was coming through

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<v Speaker 5>twentieth Century Fox and they were going to have a

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<v Speaker 5>meeting with me. But then once Sidney Lamett took over,

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<v Speaker 5>it was almost definite that Diana was going to play Dorothy.

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<v Speaker 5>And she would she would come to the show.

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<v Speaker 4>All the time, all the time, all the time to study.

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<v Speaker 1>You know show. You knew even in the run of

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<v Speaker 1>the Broadway show that they were going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>movie adaptation, and yes it was going to.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, But really do they use the person that does

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<v Speaker 5>Broadway the same people the same person?

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<v Speaker 2>So you took it like it's this business, business business.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't, you know, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Such a fan of Diana Ross and all that. I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't I didn't look at it as a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I just that's the way it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, though, because of how Home is associated

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<v Speaker 1>with you, and that's known as a show stopper. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>is there a pressure especially with I mean, how long

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<v Speaker 1>was your your initial one run was? Was it two years?

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<v Speaker 1>Three years?

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<v Speaker 4>Five years?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Five years?

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<v Speaker 4>Bad? Way? For five years? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Understudy or no understudy? Whatsoever?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I did have an understudy?

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<v Speaker 4>She went on? Maybe for one week?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, people were met that week. Weren't they in five right?

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<v Speaker 1>One right? One week and five.

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<v Speaker 4>Five years? Yeah? That's all they week?

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<v Speaker 1>So is it? I mean? You know, I mean, of

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<v Speaker 1>course when you think of like the show stopper song

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<v Speaker 1>along with you know, with Jennifer, where I am telling

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<v Speaker 1>you like home is sort of the you must do

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<v Speaker 1>a grand slam every night?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How much pressure was that to sing like your like

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<v Speaker 1>no audience life depends on it? How much pressure? How

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<v Speaker 1>hard or is that on your vocals? Every like? Vocally?

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<v Speaker 1>How much? How hard is that?

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't hard on me at all?

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<v Speaker 5>Really, Because I'm a sleeper, I always get sleep. I

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<v Speaker 5>know I need a certain amount of sleep. And because

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<v Speaker 5>I started in theater, it teaches you such discipline that

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<v Speaker 5>you're doing eight shows a week.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't do anything else. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't go out, you can't party, no, nothing, no,

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm not a partier anyway, so you can't. You

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<v Speaker 5>can't do anything else but physically sometimes when I get

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<v Speaker 5>a cold, it was hard, you know, to sing above that.

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<v Speaker 4>But the show must go on. You're taught that in theater.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no matter if you're sick.

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<v Speaker 5>I've had sprain, ankles and everything, but the show must

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<v Speaker 5>go on. And that's how I was trained and taught.

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<v Speaker 4>So it wasn't that hard for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna ask, did you ever get a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to talk to Charlie about the lyrics of that song?

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<v Speaker 2>My father talks about when he wrote that song, he

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<v Speaker 2>had like nothing and was like eating apples and was

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<v Speaker 2>going through the struggle. But I was just curious if

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<v Speaker 2>he ever walked you through where it came from like lyrically. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he never did.

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<v Speaker 4>But we used to sit at the piano and he

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<v Speaker 4>taught me that song.

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<v Speaker 5>And then he also wrote a song called Opening Night,

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<v Speaker 5>which was a wonderful song. They didn't put it in

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<v Speaker 5>the show, but he taught me that song. But sitting

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<v Speaker 5>with Charlie and watching him play and create that music

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<v Speaker 5>was just awesome, and I was glad that he taught

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<v Speaker 5>me my song. He was the one who taught me.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a Lion is actually my favorite song because it's

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<v Speaker 4>so positive.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody thinks home is mine, but be a Lion is

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<v Speaker 5>is really my favorite song in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank You. The original Whiz.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely Ted Ross and Stuve Gillim was the original Scarecrush Aircraft.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, it wasn't Debbie Allen in the chorus Alita.

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<v Speaker 4>She was was she was a munchkin.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>She was understudy for Glinda's Yeah Glinda and who wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Really too little to know?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay. I was going to say, at the height

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<v Speaker 1>of what New York City was during that time period,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you able to avoid or did you avoid

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<v Speaker 1>the trappings of what was starting to unfurl in the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of nineteen seventy seven. I mean, Studio Wars is

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<v Speaker 1>like a big thing, and you know, like basically the

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<v Speaker 1>culture is shifting during the time period. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the talk of the town in like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most popular praise plays on Broadway, like, how

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<v Speaker 1>does one avoid kind of the trappings of that life

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<v Speaker 1>at such a young age.

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<v Speaker 4>My mother sat in the dressing room every night.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>There. You go.

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<v Speaker 4>With me every night. When I did go out and

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<v Speaker 4>I went to Studio fifty four, my brothers and my

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<v Speaker 4>sisters went with me.

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<v Speaker 1>You were allowed to go, But what was it like?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean you got out the house? All right, Great,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me what's like.

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<v Speaker 4>I was allowed to go. Michael and I would go

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes together.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And if people wait, Michael, yes, you just can't, you

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<v Speaker 1>said Michael casually. Michael, Michael, Michael.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Peters was in the wits too, he was the

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<v Speaker 4>wing monkey. Yeah. It was the young Road.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah okay, wow. So you and Michael Jackson in Studio

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four. What is that like?

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<v Speaker 4>It's exciting?

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>Diant Van Furstenburg was there, and and uh Mick Jagger

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<v Speaker 5>and Andy Walhole. We went out to dinner with Andy

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<v Speaker 5>Walhole because Michael was being interviewed with uh mister Walhole,

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<v Speaker 5>and he wanted me to go with him, so we

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<v Speaker 5>would go after Studio fifty four and have dinner and

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<v Speaker 5>he would interview Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it any truth to the room that you and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael were seeing each other or were all just friends?

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<v Speaker 4>We were so young and you couldn't have told me that.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't going to marry Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved.

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<v Speaker 4>We were friends. I would braid his hair and I

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<v Speaker 4>stayed with him, you know, a big afro.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's right, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That join I was like, I want to get a j.

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<v Speaker 2>Rad And I asked you, seventy, what was the moment

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<v Speaker 2>when you knew that you and Michael were gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be friends? Like I do you remember?

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<v Speaker 5>Like you you know, it just sort of happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>because I was always around. I was always around the family.

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<v Speaker 5>I became friends with Hazel and Jermaine, and then I

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<v Speaker 5>moved to California and I was always at the home,

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<v Speaker 5>at Jackson's home and always around. I mean I saw

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<v Speaker 5>the girls outside the gate crying and just go hi.

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<v Speaker 5>Because Michael liked to drive. He didn't like to drive

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<v Speaker 5>on a freeway. He liked to drive like right up

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<v Speaker 5>and down Ventura Boulevard. So he would always go and

0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 5>he would always pick me to go get the ice

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 5>cream or popcorn. He loved popcorn from the movies, but

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.280
<v Speaker 5>we weren't always going to the movies, but he would

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 5>always send.

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<v Speaker 4>Me in there to get it because he knew I

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<v Speaker 4>would I would get it. I wouldn't let them tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, my thought was the only human being that did that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just get popcorn, and I don't want to. I

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.160
<v Speaker 1>just want to buy some popcorn. Yeah, likeley story, that's

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<v Speaker 1>still nine ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, when you are you mention your earlier stephan You

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<v Speaker 6>mentioned earlier about your brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>How many of you of you? Was it?

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<v Speaker 4>It was six of us, three girls, and where were you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the youngest girl, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I was spoil That's why she stayed in the dressing room.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I get it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Your was really when y'all went to the club, they

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<v Speaker 2>really was protecting you like they were your auntie.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, the Brooklyn Mills.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, absolutely, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes four years for your follow up album? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, you only recorded one album for Midtown

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<v Speaker 1>and wait, I got it. Yeah, it was whose decision

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<v Speaker 1>was it to work with uh Bert and how as producers?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know the last time that they worked with

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<v Speaker 1>each other was with Dion Worick.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they had like a kind of a legendary

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<v Speaker 1>split breakup. So you're the project that brings them back together. Like,

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 1>what was the whole the decision to.

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<v Speaker 5>Work with at that time, you know, everybody was making

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 5>decisions for me, So I don't really know whose idea

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:32.879
<v Speaker 5>it was.

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<v Speaker 4>All I know is one day I.

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 5>Was at Blackres's apartment learning, you know, songs and how

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 5>David and then were teaching me songs and I'd go

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<v Speaker 5>to his apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you did you know their legacy at that point

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<v Speaker 1>or just like these are Dion Worrick guys and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, because didn't they write. They wrote for Oh

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<v Speaker 4>what's the uh, the Team, the Girl and the Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Team, Carpenters, Carpenters, Yes, for the Well.

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<v Speaker 4>Only just Begun.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I knew about that because I love the Carpenters, okay,

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 5>And I would listen to their songs and you know,

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 5>I just thought, Okay, this is legendary. These are great writers.

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<v Speaker 5>They're gonna write. But I think it was that album

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<v Speaker 5>was definitely ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Of its time.

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<v Speaker 1>Who else were you listening to?

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<v Speaker 6>Like growing up, we didn't really talk about your influences,

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.639
<v Speaker 6>like what kind of stuff were you were you damning

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:29.160
<v Speaker 6>at that time?

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:35.879
<v Speaker 5>Motown, Jackson Fly See, Wanda, Uh, Diana Ross, I just

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 5>love I wanted to be Diana Ross, you know people,

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, a slide in the family, Stone, Marvin Gay,

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 5>you know.

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 2>So when you hit Motown you must have been in

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>awe of your life, like, oh my god, Yes, I

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>can't believe it.

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm here.

0:25:53.520 --> 0:26:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah wow. So with your your third record, you'll

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>work with the legendary James and Too Ma and Reggie

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Lucas for the next next four albums. Can you talk about, uh,

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>at least the transition to what I mean, I no, no, no,

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 1>no of you with what you're going to do with

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>my loving I had my father had the second the

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Motown album, but I came to know you through your

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>third album. So I mean at that at that period,

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>was that where you took the reins and sort of

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have control over the songs you sang in

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the stylistic No, that was like the last year and.

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 5>A half of the Whiz And I was signed to

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 5>twentieth when Alan Livingston was president of twenty set Box

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 5>and the guy that was president of the Grammys he

0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 5>was he was vice president. Wow, And so they wanted

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 5>they loved into Man and Lucas, so they wanted us.

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.920
<v Speaker 5>They put us together. But I wasn't used to singing

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 5>like love songs that what in two men?

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 2>That?

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 4>So we sat down and I was like, well, what

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 4>am I? How am I gonna sing? What are you

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 4>gonna do with my love? And what what does that mean?

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Okay, to Waka would sing my demos for me, and

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 5>then I was gonna ask you about her. Oh to

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 5>Wa sang all of my demos for me, and she

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 5>and most of the singers that sang with Luther. In fact,

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Luther Vandros wrote can you feel a brand new day

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 5>for the Whiz on Broadway?

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was gonna say, like during that period, like

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>uh that whole crew to Watha Lannie Lannie, uh Nnie

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Groves sang with stevee Qween Guthrie, like that whole whole crew.

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Were you sort of immersed in that the background fraternity

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>sorority of what New York was offering at the time

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>or was it sort of like you came after the

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>fact like they I.

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 5>Came after the fact, but they all sang on my

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 5>record and I would be there when they would sing,

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 5>and to Waker with you know, like I said, sing

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 5>on my demos for me.

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 4>But they all say Okay, all.

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 6>The backgrounds, what were into me and Lucas were, What

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 6>were they like in the studio and kind of what

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 6>was the division of labor between those two in terms of.

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>How they worked with you.

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, it was so loving and positive because

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 5>you know, they were working with Miles Davis at the time.

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 4>They were doing the song with ROBERTA.

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 5>Flack and Donnie Hathaway, so they had a lot of

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 5>things going on at that time. But they were so

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 5>dedicated and so loving. It was the best experience. In fact,

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 5>just before Reggie passed away, we were going to get

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 5>together and write some stuff. He was gonna and I

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 5>was going to try to get them together.

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 4>To do something with me.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 6>But wow, So it was Reggie. Was he more of

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 6>the lyricists than James was more music?

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 4>Or how did that was more music?

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 5>They both were music and and and I would say

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 5>Reggie was more of the lyricists, but there was music.

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, got you, got You? Yeah. Two Hearts is like

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>my favorite. I mean I love that song.

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and singing with Teddy it was good.

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What was that session like? Do you remember that day?

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>It was?

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 5>It was well, they because I was still still doing

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 5>I don't think I was doing the wiz at that time,

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 5>but I was Teddy and I.

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 4>Eighty one.

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 5>No, I was in California, so they did my vocal

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 5>first and then they did his. But we were in

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 5>the studio together to fill the fire. I was like, uh,

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 5>in Philly International.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Talk about that, please, I'm just begging you.

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 4>Teddy was a piece of work.

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 5>Teddy was my brother, and uh, you know, when you're

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 5>that famous and that good looking and all the women,

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, you, they really had to baby him. I

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 5>didn't baby Teddy. I'd be like, look, let's do this song,

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 5>Let's get it over it, Let's do it.

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 5>I really talked to him like a sister. But he

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 5>was loving and I loved working with with Teddy. We

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 5>wanted to road for like eight months out of a

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 5>year back then.

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, it just hit me that I believe Shep

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>was your manager at the same time, because I was

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how you two hooked up and

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Courton yes, and I know that he's connected to Teddy.

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, how how did that pairing happen?

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Was that through him or just that was through Teddy?

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 5>I think I was out on the road with them,

0:30:56.120 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 5>and I really liked the way they were handling Teddy

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 5>and everything, and so I just asked them if they

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 5>could manage me, and they did.

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I know she'd been a part of a lot of historical,

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>legendary things, but I was going through some old fifth

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>pictures and I just remembered that you were at something

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 2>that just s marked history, and that was, Oh my goodness,

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie Mills. I found this picture of you at the

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>White House, President Carter's White House for the first Black

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Music Month.

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember that picture.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I know my dad, he's a he's a sneaking photographer.

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>He you know, Wow, I did.

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 4>I went to the White House twice.

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 5>I went to the White House when Carter was there,

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 5>and I went to the White House when President Reagan

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 5>was there.

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow, what was it like to sit out on the

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>lawn of the White House and him dedicate.

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 5>It was wonderful to see, you know, the White House,

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 5>what we built, and just to be there and and

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 5>have all those people around us sit and talk, and

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 5>a lot of historical people.

0:31:58.320 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 5>I remember being a girl and going to Eberneza in

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 5>Atlanta and meeting you know, correct King used to come

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 5>and sing it out church at Cornerstone Baptist Church and

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 5>do uh uh you know how they have bibles. She

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 5>used to come and do the Bibles and then Daddy

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 5>King would come and preach. So I got a chance

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 5>to go to their house and you know, and and

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 5>and hang out.

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Yolanda King was one of my friends. God rest her soul.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 5>And then you know, with a lot of people coming backstage,

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 5>like I got a chance to meet Alan McGrath and

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 5>Steve McQueen and Jacquan on Nassas and you know, so

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 5>many people came back and said hello and brought flowers

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 5>and but my favorite was Pearl Bailey Wow.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 4>And Ella Fitzgerald Wow.

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>But not at the same time because that would be

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the same time.

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 5>But they all said the same thing that they always

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 5>They all said, there's gonna be some wolves out there,

0:32:58.240 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 5>but you're gonna be okay.

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 4>Just keep going. That's what they said, you just keep going.

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 5>It was just and then Pearl Bailey gave me a

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 5>gift from Birddoffs and I still have it in the

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 5>box and everything today.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>So for your your twentieth century run with in two

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Main and Lucas because with the second album with a

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>sweet sensation. I know that that was your first real

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you know pot I mean even though black radio was

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>playing what You're going to do and put your body

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>in It and all that stuff your breakout with never

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>love like this before. It's how like, can you describe

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>at least the song, not the songwriting process, but at

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>least the choice of songs because that was a major,

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>major pop song. I didn't realize that that song actually

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>did better on the pop charts, and it did on

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the R and B chart. So just at the time,

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and you want a Grammy for it? Yeah, what how

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>did how did it feel at least at that point

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in eighty one like that, being at that point you're

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 1>the highest point of your career. What was what was

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that feeling?

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 4>Like? It was amazing?

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 5>But you know what's so funny is that now being

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 5>sixty three and looking back at at that I didn't

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 5>have time to stop and smell the roses, you know

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:34.760
<v Speaker 5>what I'm saying. Everything was moving so fast, so fast

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 5>you didn't have time to really like enjoy it. Like

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 5>I wasn't at the Grammys.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 4>I was working. Teddy picked up the Grammy for me

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 4>when I won the American Music Awards. I was there,

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 4>but everything was just happening so fast. You know, I

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 4>didn't get a time to like.

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Enjoy it and be in the moments. Wow.

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 4>At that time, my family I was controlling everything, So

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 4>I guess they thought it was better for.

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Me to be on a road than I got one question. Wait,

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get this out. Let me get this out please.

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>All right? So all right, fifty year old Quest Love

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is not asking this question. Nine year old Amir Thompson

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>is asking this question that kiv nine year Oldimir Thompson. So,

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>nine year Oldimir Thompson has an aunt who owns a

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>beauty salon, and where any beauty salon in America? There

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>is an overabundance of Jet and Ebony magazines, and so

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>that's basically where you get all your information about any

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>black artist ever. Very true, right, occasional ride on Jet

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and Eban. Now I'm nine years old, I don't know,

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and I tried to look it up here and it's

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>really not much on it. And you actually instagrammed a

0:35:55.560 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>photo this week as of this recording. So all I

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 1>remember was did you have a shotgun wedding with Jeffrey

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Daniels and why was it so controversial at the time. Again,

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I was nine years old, so I didn't get into

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I just knew one day your commercial for one of

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>your albums had you in a hot tub. I forget

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>which the album was, either dantalizing, and I remember like

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the talk of the beauty shot was and Jeffrey Daniels

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>got married and that was like, you know, and then

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear anything else about it. And slight disclosure,

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm an avid Soul Trained watcher. Yes, so I worked

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>for Soul Trained. So I'm going through your episodes and

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>one of your appearances you're dancing with Cooley and uh

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Coolly from a solid gold like Jeffrey's guys, the guys

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that talked Michael Jackson, yes, Casper and Cooley. So I

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>started putting two two together, like okay, that really did

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>happen because I was like, wait, so she got married

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>And then I looked on your ig you acknowledged that

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 1>because I guess his birthday was recently. What was that

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>period like and why were my aunts going out of

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>their mind over that moment. I was nine years old

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>at the time, so I didn't understand anything.

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.479
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, Jeffery and I dated for like six months.

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Somebody from RCA introduced us. They felt like, oh, Stephanie,

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 5>you would like Jeffery.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 4>He's so much funny.

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 5>Because I was so my family was very guarded with me, okay,

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 5>and when we Jeffrey and I would go on dates,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 5>my brother and my sister had to go with us.

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>It was that oh wow.

0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:00.399
<v Speaker 4>So I was ready to kind of like get out

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 4>of the house. And Jeffrey was just so much fun.

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 4>So we got married. You know. He said you want

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 4>to marry me?

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:08.800
<v Speaker 5>And I said yes, And we thought that I was

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.720
<v Speaker 5>going to have a big wedding everything, but my family

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 5>was very.

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 4>Much against it.

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:13.879
<v Speaker 1>So how old were you at that time?

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 4>I was twenty two, Okay, I knew it wasn't crazy

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:28.760
<v Speaker 4>jef So I ran away to uh uh, what's the preacher?

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Very nice house? James Cleveland.

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, James Cleveland married us?

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Why right now? A little brown black history facts? Oh

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 1>my god, are you serious?

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 4>James Cleveland married us? Yep.

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 5>He took us to Beverly Hills, bought our rings, everything,

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 5>and that night he was preaching at a church and

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you, the god down the street he was teaching.

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 3>James Cleveland, James Cleveland, Yes, James, Reverend James leaving the.

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Right, I know who that is.

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 4>And we went to the church. He stopped the service

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 4>of what he was doing. He married Jeffrey and I

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 4>and then we left.

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 1>When you said that the castle and stuff, we went

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>out for ice cream and then Michael and then Michael. Right,

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>was Michael there? This is like earlier after Michael, Wow,

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.359
<v Speaker 1>that is crazy. Yeah, I was saying that I'd never

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my my first foray into beauty shop girlfriend

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:37.280
<v Speaker 1>talk girl.

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 5>Rea, and why I put Jeffrey sent me those wedding

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 5>pictures and and because one of our friends had had them,

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 5>so he said, I'm gonna send you because he lives

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 5>in Nigeria.

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:54.280
<v Speaker 4>Now he just had a beautiful Wow what baby girl?

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, dang, when it's still worked, they still use it.

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey had just had a girl, right. Why I thought,

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I told you, we won't stop. We can't stop, we can't.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 5>I put it on because I heard that there was

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 5>so much talk of who actually taught Michael the moonwalks

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 5>walk that it was Casper and Jeffrey.

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Because I was at those rehearsals, so I know I

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 4>was there.

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Wait, I was going to say, I was going to say,

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and one of your performances of the Medicine song, you

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>actually broke out into the moonwalk.

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I did.

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>How could I live in.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Hills? How could I live with him and they rehearsal

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 4>all the time and not know how to do it?

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.800
<v Speaker 4>Of course? Yes, I need to see that.

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I knew thousands of hours of watching the solitary would

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>help me to Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, so okay, I'm

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 1>just trying to go through everything.

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 2>So any questions.

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 3>What else did nine year old get into? I'm just interested.

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Like nine year old a mere at the barbershop.

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 4>I just do.

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing to do but sit there and read Jet

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 1>all the Jets and wait for my my grandmam to

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 1>get her hair done at at nine pm. Second, go home,

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm impressed and read them.

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I just went for the photos of the week.

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I would start of at the back. I would start

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>reading them at the back. I always see you jet backwards. Yeah,

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to see the albums. That's what they have read.

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.359
<v Speaker 1>The first twelve pages of Jet Ever my life fact

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>you starting backwards and then you end after photos of

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>them after after the Jet beauty the week. Right, that's it.

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>That is over.

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Not a deep dive, but not the deep dive. But Stephanie,

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 2>you've been to that. You went to the Ebony and

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:51.919
<v Speaker 2>Jet building before?

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Right? Oh?

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, can you tell people because they have no idea

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>of the layout of the floors, and the colors were

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the whiz right where every floor. Yeah,

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 2>and the kitchen it was a different color every floor.

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 4>It was a different color every floor.

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 5>And they had big posters of all the jets and

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 5>the magazines and the covers, and they had lunch.

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>You would go and have lunch free, soulfuld lunch free.

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 4>I had it. I've met a couple of times.

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a I'm on the board the Museum and

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Modern Art of Food. Well, there's going to be a

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>food museum coming in I thing like twenty twenty five.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>But they just purchased that kitchen, and that kitchen had

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 1>to be delivered like in the state that it's always

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>been in sermon you hear of like people like tearing

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>down Banksy walls just to get his artwork. So they

0:42:54.480 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>literally delivered that kitchen intact from Chicago, uh to New York,

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:10.879
<v Speaker 1>like in all of its seventies tacky psychedelic must Yeah,

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a very unique looking you know something, all right?

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>So you you have a you you you have a

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>rarity in which you know. Princess is well known for

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>his disdain for anyone covering his music, Yet he loved

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 1>your version of how Come you don't how Come you

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't Call Me Anymore? Two things though, One, well why

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>did you choose that? But you also opened your album

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 1>with that. I always have questions about artists that opened

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.879
<v Speaker 1>their albums with slow song cover, especially with that song,

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>like why did that happen? Especially when that was a

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>merciless had pilot era on it, E Yeah, Like I

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:09.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think stand back, but I think yeah was like

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that was the lead single. But always wanted to know

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>why did you open that album with how Come you

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Don't Call Me Anymore?

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 5>Because I love the song? I love Prince. I got

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 5>a chance to meet Prince and go to Paisley Park

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 5>when Prince was honored at the Soul Train Awards. Somebody

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 5>else was going to sing how Come you Don't Call Me?

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:39.320
<v Speaker 5>And he called me personally and and switched it and

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 5>wanted me to sing the song on the train Awards.

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I I just think Prince is a genius

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 4>and I wanted to open with that on the album.

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 6>There was a producer you worked with on on the

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 6>Sweet Sensation album that I've We've never had anyone on

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 6>the show that has been able to talk about him

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 6>if if you knew herb huber Eves who did all

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 6>the D train stuff.

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 5>Hubert's played piano and stuff for all my stuff on

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 5>Into May and Lucas.

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what was he like because I've we've never we've

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 6>never had anyone that you know, was able to talk

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 6>to about it.

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>He was just a cool dude, just with.

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 5>Sitting in the studio and just because most of the

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 5>time when I did all my stuff with Intu May,

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 5>I was in the studio live with my band with

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 5>the band Okay God would be in the booth and

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 5>they would be.

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Playing, and he was just a cool He was an

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 4>easy going, beautiful brother. He was just easy going.

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 1>That's what's up.

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 6>Because all that D trains though, I mean that was

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 6>my you know, I was a kid and I played

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 6>that stuff. My mom used to play that stuff.

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 1>All the time.

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was cool.

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>That's what's up.

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 4>I know that.

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you worked with uh Hawk was David Hawk was

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 1>from from Rufus. I have to Okay, So I heard

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 1>a rumor that were you supposed to be the initial

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:09.720
<v Speaker 1>recipient of Ain't Nobody? I know that according to Shaka,

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that was a last minute like Rufus getting that song

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>was the last minute resort because initially I believe that

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the talk was that Cimbello, Michael Simbelo and Hawk Wazinski

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 1>was trying to place it on Thriller didn't make it.

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>And then I heard that when Hawk was working on

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I've Got the Cure, he wanted you to do that?

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Is there truth to that? Like? Were you offered Ain't Nobody? First?

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.759
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't offered. I wasn't offered. I wish that I was, though,

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 4>but I wasn't. I wasn't offered that song. No, okay,

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 4>but you know Patty was supposed to do I feel

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 4>Good all over and wowed and took the song. You know,

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 4>songs are taken from artists every day.

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Are you aware of how of hip hop's relationship to something?

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>That way? You made me feel you would cut it

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>up free fat Joe?

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 4>I love that, Joe. But yeah, you know they told

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 4>me about it. Kick Cabre definitely told me about it and.

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Fat Joe you finally did it with him, I believe

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>last year like live where he Yes, we were at

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I was at.

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 4>My manager's charity event and uh uh Indianapolis.

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, they still got it. Good for them, and

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>uh I.

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Did it with him. We went to the there was

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 4>there's a white party that they had and I got

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 4>on stage and did it with him.

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:46.439
<v Speaker 1>That's so dope.

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:50.879
<v Speaker 4>We recorded We were going to record it and Teddy

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 4>Rowley was going to do it, but I don't. I

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 4>think it kind of just like fell apart. But I

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 4>was going to sing it over with him and let

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 4>him do his thing.

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>So at that time, they were just explaining to you

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>what that song meant to the hip hop nation, like

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you you were just unaware.

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 4>I was unaware of it.

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so for our listeners, so yeah, for our listeners

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>out there. With the advent of like mixtapes and being

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a kick, Capri was sort of out the gate as

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the very first like mixtape pioneers or what

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>we know is mixtapes. It was just a radical idea

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>back in the day to take a cappella well, first

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of all, to fine any a cappella versions of songs

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.439
<v Speaker 1>was hard enough. So there was an a cappella version

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.919
<v Speaker 1>of something the Way You Feel on the twelve inch

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and then he would put it under the Honey Drippers

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and Peach the President break beat, and that was like

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 1>our first taste of a blend where you could take

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>someone's vocals from here and put it under a beat

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>over there, and like that's basically what inspired like and

0:48:58.040 --> 0:48:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the thing that was smarter about women.

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, kid was smart enough to know that, like you

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:06.759
<v Speaker 6>put that vocal under just a raw breakbeat and the

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 6>key would match because it's just a raw when you

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:12.280
<v Speaker 6>had other duties there just be putting may be putting

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 6>vocals under whatever and I'm like anything, I'm like, this

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 6>is not match at all.

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:18.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that that became. That was like one of

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 1>kick Capri's signature mixes. No kick Capre party would be

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>complete without him opening up his For thirty years, he

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 1>would open up his set with Stephanie Mills and Impeach

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the President. So wow, yeah to see that happen that

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 1>was like super legendary. Yeah, yeah, you know, it was

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>super legendary. Stephanie again, like we're also using you as

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 1>the conduit to figure out like about our favorites. You

0:49:55.480 --> 0:50:02.359
<v Speaker 1>worked under the tutelage of Loose Silas at mc Yes, Yeah,

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that was what was working with lou like, Like, what

0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 1>was he like as well? I mean was he president

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Black division at MCA or was he just

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 1>head A and R?

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>What was his position?

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 4>He was head of A and R. But he did everything.

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.719
<v Speaker 4>He did all my mixes. He did the remixes of

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Power of Love and a lot of songs. I loved

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 4>working with lol.

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:31.279
<v Speaker 5>Lull had a great ear. I mean he had a

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 5>great ear. He was working with you know, a New

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.359
<v Speaker 5>Edition and Bobby Brown and all of that. He put

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 5>all that stuff together. He put them all all together

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 5>and worked and and he was the one who chose

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 5>my songs. And when things didn't work out with one producer,

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 5>Jerald Buzzby would come and take that song and give

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 5>it to another producer. Jerald Busby and Lull worked hand

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 5>in hand.

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was going to say he discribed what was

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.280
<v Speaker 1>what were they like? Because it's hard to find anyone

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 1>that was really, you know, in proximity to where they

0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 1>were at the time.

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I was with them a lot.

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 4>I would go up to the to the office a lot.

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:08.760
<v Speaker 4>They were just cool guys.

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 5>I always had lunch with with Joe Busby and Louel.

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 5>I would go to the basketball games with him because

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:21.320
<v Speaker 5>Lowell later on was dating Cassandra, you know, was a

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 5>manager at the time. So I was with loll And

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 5>over Lowell's house all the time. And Joe Busby we

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.240
<v Speaker 5>became close, very close.

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I also know that you uh worked with Richard Rudolph

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and also with Rod Temperton. Yes, well, I know that

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 1>he did.

0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:43.280
<v Speaker 4>I've working with Rod Templeton. Now. He was a genius

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:47.680
<v Speaker 4>with background vocals and making and blending things together. Oh

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 4>my god. And he was the nicest, nicest, most humble guy.

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:52.400
<v Speaker 2>He was.

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 1>So I was going to ask, like, how much of

0:51:55.120 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 1>a task master was he with his background vocal stacking, Like, oh,

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>was he super intense?

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:04.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes it was.

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 5>It was intense, but he wasn't mean about it. He

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 5>wasn't like okay, he was very nice about it.

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 4>And I was used to working in the studio and

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 4>as long as you get me in the studio.

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 5>Early, I'm good. I don't do night time student because

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 5>I go to bed early. I get sleepy, but early

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:24.879
<v Speaker 5>in the day, I'm good.

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 4>So I loved it and I learned so much.

0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.399
<v Speaker 1>So an average session, how long could your voice last

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>before it's starting to give out? Like are you good?

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>For two hours? And then it's like stop?

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 4>But I do I don't.

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:41.839
<v Speaker 5>I don't beat a song. I do one or two

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 5>takes and that's it because I do my homework at home.

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.239
<v Speaker 5>So I'm not you know, I'm not gonna sing all day.

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 5>I've never I've never been one to sing all day.

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 5>Most of my songs are done in one take.

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 4>That takes. That's it. We got to fix with it.

0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 4>But other than that one or two, do it right?

0:52:59.719 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Do it?

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I love it? Wow?

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you think do you think that like

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and of course God given talent is definitely a part

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 2>of it, but do you think that like your theater

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:09.320
<v Speaker 2>background has a lot to do with that?

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.360
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely absolutely.

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 5>My theater background definitely definitely taught me the discipline. You know,

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 5>I was They knew that when I came in the studio,

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 5>I was going to be ready.

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 4>I was going to know my songs, and that's it.

0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.839
<v Speaker 5>My theater background and being in theater and and being

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 5>around those because I was around like Liza Minelli and

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:39.480
<v Speaker 5>Rivera and and all these legendary theater people. Broadway was

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 5>like a community, So I learned, and I and I

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.320
<v Speaker 5>was the kind that would just sit and watch. I

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.400
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't talk when other people was working. I'd watch the

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 5>director because I found that fascinating. So I would just

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 5>sit and watch and learn. And and Cheetah was became

0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 5>very good friends with me, and and and I did

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:03.160
<v Speaker 5>the Sammy Davis Junior Show and Liza. Sammy gave me

0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 5>a gold bracelet, but Eliza, miss Manelli, had given it

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.800
<v Speaker 5>to Sammy, so he had to come and get it

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 5>and then buy.

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Me another one. Did you got Eliza?

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 5>I had it, but he forgot that Liza gave it

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 5>to him, and she reminded him, and so then he

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 5>came to the theater and got it, and then he

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 5>brought me another one.

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you had a relationship with Liza like y'all have. Actually,

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, miss Manelli, y'all had a relationship where you

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 2>were actually speak to you.

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 5>Respect, you know, because she was there was nobody bigger

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 5>on Broadway than Liza Manilla right right, geta Rivera, you know,

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 5>And and then Pippin and Ben Vereen and all those people.

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 4>I just learned from all of them.

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 2>I asked about Liza specifically because you remixed the role

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of her mother. So I was just curious if that

0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that ever came into conversation or she ever lets you

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 2>know that she was aware.

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 4>She was aware, and she felt like I did a

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.600
<v Speaker 4>good job, and she told me not to worry about

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:07.439
<v Speaker 4>what people said.

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:14.960
<v Speaker 6>Yes, we were wanted to know your work with Nick

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 6>Martinelli was yeah. Was that like were you a fan

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 6>of the loose end stuff that he had done?

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Like before that? Like how did y'all hook up?

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 5>I think Louel put that together and then Philadelphia and

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 5>I went to his house and we talked about it.

0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:35.000
<v Speaker 5>But Nick allowed me to be free, like the first

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:40.439
<v Speaker 5>part of Home. I wrote that I and I told

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 5>Nick that I wanted Home to be a little bit

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:46.440
<v Speaker 5>more urban because I was coming out. You know, I

0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 5>had done the Whiz, but I wanted to be a

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 5>little bit more urban. And I wanted people to remember.

0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 4>How great Charlie Small songs were. I didn't want them

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 4>to forget, you know.

0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.879
<v Speaker 5>So when we went in the studio and take six,

0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:06.200
<v Speaker 5>did the backgrounds, Oh, that's them, I didn't.

0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Let's take six casual flex n Wow, yeah I can.

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:15.239
<v Speaker 6>I can hear you saying it because I well maybe

0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.759
<v Speaker 6>as was because you know, I was thinking particular about

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 6>if I were your woman, and how that just sounds

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 6>like nothing that he had done like previously before that.

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 1>It sounds nothing like the loosen stuff for like none

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 1>of that. I was going to say, that's his first

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>parade outside of eight o eight.

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:32.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Jam and Lewis.

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>DNA talked.

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 4>I loved Nick. I mean even when Nick went to prison,

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 4>I went to visit him there.

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's at the prison. Yeah, that's why we gotta

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>interview Nick Martin. By the way, I missed that. Jimmy

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Jam actually told me you guys got to interview them

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and find out why.

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I gotta google that. Damn all right, No I.

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Didn't know my so yeah, no, we we definitely got

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to get Nick Martinelli episode out because yeah, it's a story,

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a story. I was going to say, why did

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you decide to reclaim or recover Home in eighty nine

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 1>when for the home album?

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 5>Because so many of the cast members had passed on

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 5>and I just wanted people to remember and I wanted to.

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:40.360
<v Speaker 4>Do a tribute, and that was my tribute to the original.

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 5>Cast members, to Charlie Smalls and Ken Harper and Charles

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 5>who was our director, and a lot of people that passed.

0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 2>On, even Michael Peters, Yes, Michael Peters, Yes.

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 1>So okay, after I asked about Angela, well, I mean

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 1>there's so many other producers. Well, first of all working

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.200
<v Speaker 1>with Angela Wimbush. I know she wrote those songs, but

0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:14.120
<v Speaker 1>does she actually produce power love and something that make

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 1>me feel as well?

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Or well, I won't tell you the story about Power Love.

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna tell that story.

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:25.200
<v Speaker 5>But they started producing it and then Gerald had to

0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 5>come in and take it and give it to have

0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 5>Mercy cursy, cursy, and he finished it. But yes, she

0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 5>wrote Power of Love was originally power of God. Angela

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:39.200
<v Speaker 5>wrote and produced something in the Way You Make Me

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:43.919
<v Speaker 5>Feel and uh uh another.

0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 4>Song on my album.

0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:48.240
<v Speaker 5>But I think Angela is a brilliant writer and producer.

0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 5>She's one of my good friends.

0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>That's what's up. And she still she's still like like

0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>active and stuff.

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 5>She's still like helpwise, she's well, yes, going to the

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:00.120
<v Speaker 5>church now, but she's still act that.

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 4>You know, I get her to do a song and stuff.

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 4>But she's still active.

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she sang at a AT's funeral. Oh wow, oh man,

0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I know that was a little weird. Yeah, like me

0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and me and di'angelo were her impromptu band. Oh but

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 1>we were at the Apollo first of all. I was

0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>at the Apollo and then like, oh, we're playing angel

0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Tino Angeli Wick. So we're like winging it. But she's

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 1>also kind of quasi throwing us under the bus because

0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:42.880
<v Speaker 1>we know the chord changes. Like I was just here

0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 1>to look at the casket and leave. Now I'm playing

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:46.360
<v Speaker 1>drums with you. Okay.

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna ask seventy who are like you mentioned Angelo,

0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Twala and Elba, But who are your your

0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>sisters and song like the ladies especially you've been catching

0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:57.960
<v Speaker 2>on during these these times.

0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you have a crew? Like who were your BFFs?

1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Like people that you could.

1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Lean on and they're not in the industry though, Wow,

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that's what I meant. I thought somebody who you were

1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:11.640
<v Speaker 2>going through it. You're both going through the same, you know.

1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:16.320
<v Speaker 5>The only person that probably uh would be Angela. It's

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:18.680
<v Speaker 5>hard to be friends with sometimes the women in the

1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 5>business because it's.

1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 4>A different kind of thing, you know, it's hard. It's hard, oh, Ques.

1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Who said that?

1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And you said earlier that the record label and your

1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:35.720
<v Speaker 2>family kind of controlled a lot of stuff. So I

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:37.240
<v Speaker 2>thought about that, and I was like, I wonder if

1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:40.000
<v Speaker 2>it was at times where it was like pitting against

1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, because you know the whole mentality of there

1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 2>can only be one and what.

1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:48.920
<v Speaker 5>I never had that mentality, not you, but but I'm

1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 5>saying like there are some artists that really do have

1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:55.720
<v Speaker 5>that mentality. But I always competed with myself being better

1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.720
<v Speaker 5>for myself. You know, I tried to be better or

1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:02.240
<v Speaker 5>sing better than anybody else. I just did me and

1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:03.440
<v Speaker 5>that always worked for me.

1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:05.520
<v Speaker 2>That worked because there is no like you know, she

1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 2>just like Stephanie Mills.

1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:15.080
<v Speaker 1>There's no no, no, you know there was, now that

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I think about it, there's a There was a kind

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of a what do you call it? For Christmas? When

1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:24.880
<v Speaker 1>they do no no, no, not a Christmas album. But

1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine took me to a church in Harlem,

1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:35.080
<v Speaker 1>and this church it's like six thousand seats. I just

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:40.320
<v Speaker 1>remember it was you and Felicia Rashad. I saw is

1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that when they.

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Had the real live animals and stuff.

1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:45.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, that we didn't have real live animals, but

1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:46.440
<v Speaker 4>we did Black Nativity.

1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yo, I was going to say, okay the night

1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the night I finished Master in il Adelph Half Life,

1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I got off early, and friends of Mine is like, yo,

1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:01.960
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see Stephanie Mills go singing at a church

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:08.200
<v Speaker 1>this Nativity thing, and like Felicia Rashad was the narrator,

1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and what was always wanted to know because the thing

1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:16.360
<v Speaker 1>was they were doing it was the story of Black

1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Nativity scene. But it was a sold out audience, and

1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:26.320
<v Speaker 1>you were incorporating kind of your catalog. I mean, you

1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:28.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of had to bend the narrative so that it

1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:33.120
<v Speaker 1>could fit the story of the Nativity. So like, yes,

1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do I feel good all over. But it

1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:40.360
<v Speaker 1>was sort of bent into whatever. The story of Mary

1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:45.680
<v Speaker 1>explaining to Joseph, well she got prayed. It was the

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:49.080
<v Speaker 1>weirdest thing, like it was. It was basically in my head.

1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there like, okay, so she's doing six songs,

1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:55.440
<v Speaker 1>She's doing six of her hits, and they had to

1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:58.640
<v Speaker 1>figure out a way how to incorporate those hits into

1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the narrative of the birth of baby Jesus. So it

1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:07.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, but feel the fire, like all these songs

1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that were not Nativity ready, but they twisted. Always wanted

1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to like, how how did that come to be? Obviously

1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:20.120
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the first time you did it, so it

1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:25.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, was that a something normal for you? Because

1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:26.840
<v Speaker 1>literally they.

1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Felt like I think I did I feel good all over?

1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:32.880
<v Speaker 4>And I think I did home or something. I don't

1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:34.200
<v Speaker 4>think I did feel the fire.

1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I swear it was like three or four songs, and

1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, how they going to incorporate this one?

1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:45.760
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, but yeah, how how did they how did

1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that come to be?

1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:51.480
<v Speaker 5>They they wanted they felt like if people came to

1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.800
<v Speaker 5>see it, they'd want to hear me sing something that

1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:59.960
<v Speaker 5>that people know for right, Okay, that they're more famili

1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.480
<v Speaker 5>we're with then just that and that's how they wanted

1:04:02.560 --> 1:04:03.080
<v Speaker 5>to sell it.

1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I was a board. I was like, okay, to

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<v Speaker 1>reinterpret all of your songs through the gospel filtering. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was Matt clever. So I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>was that something that you would return to or I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if maybe that point in your life you

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<v Speaker 1>were just going to do non secular versions of your

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<v Speaker 1>regular Songho.

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<v Speaker 2>I did one.

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<v Speaker 5>Gospel album and everybody all thought, oh, she's doing gospel now,

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<v Speaker 5>But I wanted to do you know, I eventually would

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<v Speaker 5>love to do a Broadway album.

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<v Speaker 4>And sing yeah, oh wow tune. So I want to

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<v Speaker 4>do that.

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<v Speaker 5>That was one of the reasons why I left MCA,

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<v Speaker 5>because they no longer Well first, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 5>record contract anymore. I just wanted to kind of do

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<v Speaker 5>what I wanted to do, and so I'd love to

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<v Speaker 5>do a Broadway album.

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<v Speaker 2>We got two Broadway show producer and composers right here

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<v Speaker 2>on this uh we do you you?

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<v Speaker 1>That guy?

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<v Speaker 2>You? And William Bill that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna ask along those lines, Ms Mills,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you feel about being one of the only

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<v Speaker 3>that I can think of at the moment or at

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<v Speaker 3>all like Broadway folk who began as a Broadway person

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<v Speaker 3>and then graduated into pop star them if there are

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<v Speaker 3>plenty who are pop stars who take on stunt rolls

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<v Speaker 3>and musicals, but you're one of the only people I

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<v Speaker 3>can think of who began as a Broadway person and

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<v Speaker 3>then became this sort of big pop sensation.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that like?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even think of anybody else who's along those lines.

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<v Speaker 5>They always reminded me of that. They always like, Stephanie,

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<v Speaker 5>it's really odd that you came from Broadway. Usually Broadway

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<v Speaker 5>people don't have the voice to be commercial, and that's me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a different voice.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a different It really is a different voice. But

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really know how I did it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I get I have to.

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<v Speaker 5>Really thank the producers. And I never really left. I

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<v Speaker 5>never let I never left my soul. Even though I

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<v Speaker 5>was on Broadway and singing, I still kept my soul.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I didn't like turn into this Broadway singer.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they try to change you though? Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like Broadways known for vibroadbo and like epic whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't at.

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<v Speaker 4>All then sound. Yeah, you know that whiny kind of sound.

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<v Speaker 5>But I uh, they tried to change me later in

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<v Speaker 5>my career. They wanted me to take some of the

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<v Speaker 5>soul out of my voice because they wanted me to

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<v Speaker 5>be so. They would say, you're sounding a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>too black. I mean, even my videos and things were

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<v Speaker 5>never played on MTV or v h one because they

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<v Speaker 5>said I was too black.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I was gonna say, I remember you did a

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<v Speaker 6>song that I thought was kind of to me, it

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<v Speaker 6>felt like a comeback, so to speak, when you did

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<v Speaker 6>I Just Want Love and it was it was on

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<v Speaker 6>the Strictly Business soundtrack. I would never get this song soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 6>It was on the it was on the Strictly Business soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the last song. It's the Streetly Business, the movie

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<v Speaker 6>with Halle Berry and Tommy Davis and I Can't Home

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<v Speaker 6>from the Cosby Show, Super classic.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that song, God, literally I can't because we used.

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<v Speaker 1>To I just want to from you, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>you love from you. It was on the it was

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<v Speaker 1>the first song on the soundtrack, but it's the last

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<v Speaker 1>jam in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds nineties very I was in like.

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<v Speaker 6>Seventh grade, but but I was. But but the thing

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<v Speaker 6>was because it was other people on that soundtrack. I

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<v Speaker 6>think I think like Mary was on that soundtrack, and

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<v Speaker 6>I just remember Uptown m A.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know it was Mary, Patti LaBelle, Jody Watley,

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<v Speaker 5>myself and we were all on m c A. We

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<v Speaker 5>would always come out first quarter, second quarter, third quarter,

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<v Speaker 5>fourth quarter, released by records.

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<v Speaker 2>Well at least, yeah, same time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought that was just a good way of them

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<v Speaker 6>kind of uh you know, it was a voice that

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<v Speaker 6>was familiar to me, and I heard it and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, man, they found a way to, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>make material that puts Stephanie in like a modern day context,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. And it didn't sound like like you said,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it sounded like you were still you were

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<v Speaker 6>still doing you. You weren't trying to do like what

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<v Speaker 6>the younger generation was doing. It didn't sound like you

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<v Speaker 6>were pandering. It just sounded like, oh, this is Stephanie

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<v Speaker 6>Mills in this context. And I always thought that's I

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<v Speaker 6>always really liked that song.

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<v Speaker 1>My question is, as as a quote real singer or

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<v Speaker 1>a singer singer.

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<v Speaker 4>How what's your funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Not questions even funny?

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<v Speaker 1>As a real singer? How hard is it to make

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<v Speaker 1>sense where we are now? This is not not like

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<v Speaker 1>to dispara or bring no no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it Stephanie Mills. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go No Oh wait what am I missing?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>On Twitter? I forgot?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love that she don't hold her tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I forgot. Yes, I totally forgot you bring

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<v Speaker 1>smoke to Sam about Michael Jackson. I forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, just where we where we are now,

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<v Speaker 1>Where we are now where? I mean, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>music is now, I don't have to auto tune everything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it could be frustrating sometimes. I mean even

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<v Speaker 1>me now, like as a music fan and actively in

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<v Speaker 1>the music business, you know, I don't have any expectations

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<v Speaker 1>for people to blow me away with their singing anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>or good songs to be written or any of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you do you even make sense of

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening today at all? Or is it just like

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<v Speaker 1>R and B.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that they've just kind of like killed

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<v Speaker 5>dur and B. They're trying to but we're trying to

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<v Speaker 5>hold on to it as you know. No, I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's very easy for people today to become pop stars,

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<v Speaker 5>and they use the word legends and icons and things

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<v Speaker 5>very loosely.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's why.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of people can't sing live. I mean a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of shows are taped. A lot of shows, you'd

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<v Speaker 5>be surprised. I've been on the road with quite a

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<v Speaker 5>few artists and mostly predominantly.

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<v Speaker 4>All their whole show is taped.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So, but I come from theater, you know, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>so glad, I'm so thankful every day that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I've learned how to sing, whether I can hit that

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<v Speaker 5>note that night, or point to my background singer and

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<v Speaker 5>hit it. But what I do before I go on

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<v Speaker 5>the road is I sing all my songs every day

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<v Speaker 5>so that I can sound somewhat like I sounded, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and people won't be scared to hear me. I do

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<v Speaker 5>sing every day because I just love to sing. But

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<v Speaker 5>today's music, I don't think any of today's music you'll

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<v Speaker 5>hear five and ten years from now like you do

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<v Speaker 5>Stevie and Aretha and and and the people from the

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<v Speaker 5>seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that you'll hear this music today. One

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think in my head like you. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to argue that fact, but okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't do I don't know. I mean, I love

1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:26.879
<v Speaker 4>Jasmine Sullivan, but I feel I love her as a vocalist,

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<v Speaker 4>uh a, Deborah Cox. I think it's a brilliant vocalist.

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<v Speaker 2>And but that's still not in this in the next

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<v Speaker 2>to ten years, in this last years, that's not that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Not like immediate, Like do you think that we'll hear

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<v Speaker 5>Cardi b stuffed ten to fifteen years from now, no man,

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<v Speaker 5>So you know that.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's not to take away from anybody.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not because I don't knock anybody's hustling, But I

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<v Speaker 5>just don't think that you know their music is going

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<v Speaker 5>to last ten to fifteen year Miss Stephan.

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<v Speaker 6>I was gonna ask so with your jam with hip hop?

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<v Speaker 6>When hip hop, you know, kind of came into the

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<v Speaker 6>just into the industry. You know, every episode of Unsung

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<v Speaker 6>they all have the same story. It's like they they

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<v Speaker 6>were doing great and then rap and it was over.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. How what was it like

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying when you saw the industry

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<v Speaker 6>kind of starting to shift and you saw what hip

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<v Speaker 6>hop was becoming.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that like for you? And what was your

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<v Speaker 1>relationship to hip hop? If any I didn't have.

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<v Speaker 4>A relationship with hip hop, but I enjoyed it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I guess something different because I just

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<v Speaker 4>I just keep doing me. I just kept doing what

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't try to change and try to adapt, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I just I just kept doing another version of me

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<v Speaker 5>whatever that you know, just keep doing another version of me.

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<v Speaker 4>I love hip hop, you know I I would I

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my Christmas album, I wrapped, I wrapped the Red Bars.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yes, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I you know, everybody has their thing to do,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think, you know, hey, you just keep on

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<v Speaker 5>going and to come back around.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it, but it didn't bother you like the

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<v Speaker 2>Unsung bother me.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't freak out about it now because I could

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<v Speaker 4>always go and do theater. I can do other things.

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<v Speaker 4>So I didn't. I didn't like, Oh god, No, I

1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:36.519
<v Speaker 4>didn't want anymore anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>If there was a show, what would the show? Is

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<v Speaker 2>there a show you have in mind that you would

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<v Speaker 2>love to do as far as a theater.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Melody and I are going to do run It's

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<v Speaker 4>woman show Happen. We're writing it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I'm here. We're here for that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're writing.

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<v Speaker 4>Melbourne is just wonderful on stage.

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<v Speaker 5>We did a we did a show called If You

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<v Speaker 5>Had to Talk, and it was just wonderful being on

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<v Speaker 5>stage with her.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk recently and that she was like, let's work together.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, let's do it. We found a writer. So

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<v Speaker 4>they're writing it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's good. Get my ears ready, Okay, since I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to ask the question, but I mine as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard back from Sam Smith? Quiet back at him? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I only forgot about that's she brought smoke. I love.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what it is? This is really what it

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<v Speaker 4>is about it.

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<v Speaker 5>People don't really know my personality because I've always just

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<v Speaker 5>been a singer.

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<v Speaker 4>And on Broadway. But I'm really just a hood girl

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<v Speaker 4>from Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying. I'm really just

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<v Speaker 4>that that girl. And I love Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>He's not here to take care of herself and I

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<v Speaker 5>to speak up for herself. And I get tired of

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<v Speaker 5>people who I know have copied sounds. I mean, Sam

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<v Speaker 5>Smith is nothing but Sylvester all over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know when you say you don't like our music,

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<v Speaker 4>how can you say that? So I really had to.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt like I have to say something. And my

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<v Speaker 5>manager's always like, Okay, I'm gonna let you say this,

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<v Speaker 5>but you gotta say it like this, because sometimes I

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<v Speaker 5>just think people need to back off.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like when they they need an education, and

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<v Speaker 4>they need an.

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<v Speaker 5>Education, they need it, And I don't think people should

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<v Speaker 5>say things about people and they're not here to defend themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just like when fifty was talking about Michael and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and then his daughter said, please don't talk

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<v Speaker 5>about my father, and then fifty wanted to, you know, go,

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<v Speaker 5>she's a child, you know, so I kind of I said,

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<v Speaker 5>why don't you talk to me? I'm more your speed,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm older, you know, so I just I just don't

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<v Speaker 5>like when people are bullies.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like bullies. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, Stephanie Miles. I'm telling you, Stephie Mills

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<v Speaker 2>Yon word, they sat in Twitter on fire.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, she doesn't play, Leon does not play. And you

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<v Speaker 4>know who didn't play, Aretha? Aretha didn't play.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't really. Oh now what was she like? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you y'all have worked together or anything? Were y'all just colleagues.

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<v Speaker 5>I lived in Detroit for a couple of years and

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<v Speaker 5>she used to come. I did a play there and

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<v Speaker 5>she used to come and see me, and towards.

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<v Speaker 4>The end of her life we would talk.

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<v Speaker 5>I talked to her about two months before she passed away,

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<v Speaker 5>and she told me a lot of things about Motown

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<v Speaker 5>and how Barry started it and how her sister was involved.

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<v Speaker 5>And her father, And it's a conversation I could never

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<v Speaker 5>talk about. But I loved Aretha. But Aretha took no prisoners.

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<v Speaker 5>When I tell you she didn't, she didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I you know, I guess in closing,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just like to know from this journey you had, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is your in a career with so many highlights

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<v Speaker 1>in it, what is your like, your your favorite what

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<v Speaker 1>means the most to you of your entire journey, your

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<v Speaker 1>creative journey, That I'm still.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, that I didn't get on drugs.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't, you know, because I think about Whitney, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think about Michael, and I think about Prince, I

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<v Speaker 5>think about Gerald and.

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<v Speaker 4>So many times as artists, we have so much pressure

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<v Speaker 4>and wait on us that just destroys us.

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<v Speaker 5>And people don't really understand sometimes what an artist is

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<v Speaker 5>going through.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think that I'm still.

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<v Speaker 5>Here and somewhat my right mind, and and that I

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyed it. I'm able to enjoy it and sit back

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<v Speaker 5>and relax and just enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 6>I was going to ask you earlier because you were

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<v Speaker 6>saying that you know, when you look back over your

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<v Speaker 6>career and just over your life, it was all kind

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<v Speaker 6>of going really fast and you never really had a

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<v Speaker 6>chance taking in in what ways, if any has twenty

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<v Speaker 6>twenty like with us being kind of locked down with

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<v Speaker 6>COVID and everything, what has that given you a chance?

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<v Speaker 6>What is this year giving you a chance to reflect

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<v Speaker 6>on and you know, kind of change or any shifts

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<v Speaker 6>that you may be making in your life now?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, when I turned forty forty five, I had

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<v Speaker 5>my son, and I didn't I didn't have a It

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<v Speaker 5>all changed for me when I separed my ties with

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<v Speaker 5>MCA because I didn't want to be a fortying artist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And what year was that around? What time?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my, I was looking the nineties. Okay, the nineties, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just I slowed down.

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<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't until i'd like hit fifty fifty five

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, oh man, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I like this.

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<v Speaker 4>But my sixth seas have been the best. Really, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my sixties have. Really. I don't care what I.

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<v Speaker 1>Say.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care about nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's like, I don't care what you say about me.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't care, you know, It's just you don't care.

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<v Speaker 5>It's but when you're like in the thirties, you're caring

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<v Speaker 5>about what everybody. The sixties have been just wonderful. My

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<v Speaker 5>fifties and my sixties have been just wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so great. Twenty one. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>you look amazing, amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Before in March.

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<v Speaker 2>You look like that same little lady I saw on

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<v Speaker 2>stage when I was six.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're all in here.

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<v Speaker 2>You and melbur got something going on.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hold you a little secrets, but

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<v Speaker 2>you and Melbourn, they got something going on.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I think it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think I get a lot of sleep. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't really smoke or anything. And I just started drinking

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<v Speaker 5>wine at sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>What really?

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<v Speaker 4>That's yes, I just.

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<v Speaker 1>What they start drowning to me because I just started that,

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<v Speaker 1>uh earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 4>And everyone you're drinking now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the rest of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ve been drinking since we was seing.

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<v Speaker 4>They I just started.

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<v Speaker 1>I just started.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, you've been missing out.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, wait a minute, this all right, this one,

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<v Speaker 1>this one thing I gotta know, okay, Senior in concert

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<v Speaker 1>once Yes, and you're doing if I was your woman,

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm, and you always did it. You had a

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<v Speaker 1>chair as a prop.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, four chairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, this is what I gotta know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it was just the Philadelphia air, but you

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<v Speaker 1>went extra on throwing that chair above your head in

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<v Speaker 1>a way it was almost like a no look pass

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<v Speaker 1>from Like I just want to know in performing that

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<v Speaker 1>particular song, was that a nightly ritual. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if you remember, but you just you you pick

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<v Speaker 1>this chair up and it was like you know them

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<v Speaker 1>chairs that comedians use when they do their routines, like

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<v Speaker 1>them those talk like literally she hoisted it to the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the stage, And I always wanted to know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>was that a part of your routine where you Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Townshend Pete Townsend from the who that reference? Was that

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<v Speaker 1>a part of your repertoire every night when you did

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<v Speaker 1>that song?

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<v Speaker 5>Or I was to throw it but not not probably

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<v Speaker 5>like that. But sometimes I get so involved and I

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<v Speaker 5>go to another.

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<v Speaker 4>Space on stage.

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<v Speaker 5>So that was probably one of the nights that I

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<v Speaker 5>was in another space. Maybe my boyfriend made me mad

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<v Speaker 5>or something, I don't know, and I just took it

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<v Speaker 5>out on the chair.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Olympic level of chair throwing, which.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, those chids were really light though, they

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<v Speaker 4>weren't heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>They were really like, what's your sign, Stephanie, I'm ari,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask before we go? Because I asked Melb this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should probably just get in the habit

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<v Speaker 2>of doing this, Like for folks that are listening that

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<v Speaker 2>love you and being a fan and stuff like, where

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<v Speaker 2>do you tell them, especially in COVID, like how to

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<v Speaker 2>support you and make sure that they are tuned into

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<v Speaker 2>how they can support you.

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<v Speaker 4>On my I G, I'm on i G, I'm on

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<v Speaker 4>Twitter and.

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<v Speaker 2>Had you for sharing too. On IG you share your

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<v Speaker 2>story with your son and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just have my story with my son and

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<v Speaker 4>I talk about people a little bit, but not too bad.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think, you know. I just kind of keep

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<v Speaker 4>them straight a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>To somebody got to.

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<v Speaker 4>Just a little bit. But people kind of get afraid

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever don't want to talk to me. But that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, we should have a counsel for this kind of ship.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have help and tap somebody in.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think people should say, I mean, this year

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<v Speaker 5>has been so tough on everybody. I have crazy faith,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, my faith has always gotten me through situations

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<v Speaker 5>and I just think people need to wear their masks

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<v Speaker 5>and wash their hands and it. You know, I guess

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<v Speaker 5>some people will take the vaccine. I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna take the vaccine. I'm gonna wait and see you.

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<v Speaker 5>I wait and see what they're doing, because I don't

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<v Speaker 5>trust it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, Spring, We cain't, none of us take

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<v Speaker 2>it right now anyway, Let's just wait for the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>match to get their second shot, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, exactly get that iPad never first generation, right, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, once again, we thank you for doing our show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm happy you said you agreed to do it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to have you invited me. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you live in North Carolina. I'm so proud I

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<v Speaker 1>did all this time. Man, Yes, Carolin, I love you.

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<v Speaker 4>New York too, but I could never live in New

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<v Speaker 4>York again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's to get too over that ship. Oh I'm too

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<v Speaker 2>old for it. I'm too old for that ship. A love.

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<v Speaker 1>And he rich yet we're not even Just wait till

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<v Speaker 1>February then I'll join you know. All right, y'all, let

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<v Speaker 1>me wrap this up. We'll be having Flo and uh

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<v Speaker 1>unpaid Bill and Sugar Steve Sugar stevens Okay, just thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for all the music think thank you all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, thank you once again to our special guest

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanemils on Quest Love Supreme. We will see you on

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