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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. March is

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Speaker 1: Women's History Month as we celebrate at QLs, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to look back at this plastic episode for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one with Stephanie Mills, who talks about her incredible

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Speaker 1: music and theater contributions. I love this episode. Hope you enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Much love and Team Supreme. We got a lay in

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Speaker 1: the house.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, hello, hello, hello.

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Speaker 1: We got unpaid unpaid bill? Yeah, you's sorry? All right?

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Speaker 2: What up?

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Speaker 1: Man man? Yes, sir and Sugar see my whole childhood

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Speaker 1: right now. Huh, I know, Sugar, Stevie Dare Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: What can I say, Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today,

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Speaker 1: legendary singer is really putting it lightly before the past

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Speaker 1: five decades, she's never lost a step in her powerful

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Speaker 1: vocal range. Be it as a Broadway sensation that came

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Speaker 1: into our lives in the original cast run of The

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Speaker 1: Whiz to our legendary run of hits. Working with some

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Speaker 1: of the greatest producers ever named Phil Ramone for backrack,

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Speaker 1: how David James and Toomey Lucas, George Duke, David Hawkwazinski,

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Speaker 1: Nick Martinelli, Robert Brookins, all my favorites. As since she's

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Speaker 1: worked with all my favorites, she is my favorite. I

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Speaker 1: never thought this day was coming, but I'm happy to say,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, welcome to quest Love Supreme. Stephanie Mills.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm honored to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: How are you today?

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Speaker 4: I'm good. I'm good in this crazy world we're living in.

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah, i'd seen you, like,

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Speaker 1: uh at the airport. Yeah, I was three, three years ago.

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Speaker 1: It is either the airport or the train station one

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Speaker 1: and and I could not believe you knew I was alive.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Hi, I'm Stephanie, and you said hi.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you know who I am. Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Of course, that is amazing. Yeah, we have a gajillion

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Speaker 1: questions to ask you. So we're just going to start, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I always start with your your origins. Where are you from?

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Speaker 5: I'm from Brooklyn, New York, but I make my Charlotte,

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Speaker 5: North Carolina. But I'm from Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: Why Charlotte?

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Speaker 4: I live in Charlotte for the last two eight years.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, wow you neighbor. Yeah from me.

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Speaker 6: So my hometown is Greensboro. That's why I'm I was

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Speaker 6: raised in Greensboro. But home is Raleigh. Me and my

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Speaker 6: family we live in Raleigh now.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but no, that's home. Oh wow, Okay, Stephan

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Speaker 1: music is playing North Carolina. That's what's up. Yeah, everyone's

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Speaker 1: playing in North Carolina. Man, I feel like that's quiet.

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Speaker 1: It's beyond the not even a retirement town, but just

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Speaker 1: everyone I know is relocating there.

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Speaker 4: Living is easy.

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Speaker 5: It's not chaotic, you know, it's just and my family,

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Speaker 5: my mom and my dad were from here, so I

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Speaker 5: spent all my summers here as a child, and I

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Speaker 1: So I like that back when you left the city

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Speaker 5: Or yeah, like you would come and stay with my

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Speaker 5: aunts and my cousins, and like my cousin was here tonight.

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Speaker 5: Helped putting this all together because I challenge when it comes.

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Speaker 1: To all this kind of guess what so were we.

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Speaker 4: I like, you know, being able to call them come

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Speaker 1: So Okay, that's cool, that's cool. What part what part

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Speaker 1: of Brooklyn? Where are you from? Jephst bed sty Okay,

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, I mean I know that you were,

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Speaker 1: musically speaking, Like when did you when was that voice

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Speaker 1: Like how old were you?

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Speaker 4: I don't think I realized it even till this day.

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Speaker 4: I just like to sing.

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Speaker 5: I like, I mean, I went to the Apollo and

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Speaker 5: weeks that I was there, James Brown performed, ROBERTA.

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Speaker 5: Isley Brothers as well. Yes, and then I got a

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Speaker 5: then after that I recorded I Knew It was Love

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know of your sister Cassandra in the industry,

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Speaker 4: Well, Cassandra was my sister in law. She was married

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Speaker 5: She still keeps the she still keeps the name. But

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Speaker 4: Rest his soul.

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Speaker 5: But she managed her and my brother managed me for

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Speaker 5: not musically inclined. No, they would us really involved management

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Speaker 1: So all the talent went to you. Yeah, I see,

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Speaker 1: all the talent went to you. Yeah, So in can

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Speaker 1: you just what was I don't think we've yet to

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Speaker 1: amateur nighted the Apollo in the seventies, at least like

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Speaker 1: was it his? Was it as harrowing as the urban

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Speaker 4: What did they say about it?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know everything brutal? Yeah, man, come out, Yeah

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Speaker 4: It wasn't brutal for me.

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Speaker 5: You come out and you rub the stuff and everything,

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Speaker 5: and I sang my song, I sang Who's Loving You

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Speaker 4: But it wasn't brutal for me. My whole family was

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Speaker 5: Was very protective, and I was able to go up

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Speaker 4: So it was I It wasn't a bad experience for me.

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Speaker 2: You could sing.

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Speaker 1: She didn't know to be you can sing, so she

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Speaker 1: guess your your career as a recording artist happened after

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Speaker 5: After my first play after Maggie Flynn. Then I was

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Speaker 5: Burt Back, not back because that was with Motown Bert

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Speaker 5: Keys Okay, and I knew it was love came out

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Speaker 4: Single and Ken Harper, who was a DJ on A

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Speaker 5: He was a jock on AM radio and they were

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Speaker 5: putting together The Wiz and they heard my single and

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Speaker 5: I had gone up for a lot of different things

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Speaker 4: Audition for the Wiz.

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Speaker 5: My mother made me go that morning and she went

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Speaker 5: with me, and then I auditioned three times after that

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Speaker 4: I did not want to go. I hate auditions.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't I if.

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Speaker 5: Someone called and said we'd like to see you for

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Speaker 5: some I would not go. I'm petrified I cannot audition.

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Speaker 2: Well, but you chose theater so early in life, I know.

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Speaker 4: But I love theater. I love the state.

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Speaker 5: In fact, Melbourne Moore and I are working on something

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Speaker 5: like the queen she I'm I'm on Broadway because of her.

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Speaker 4: She paid the way, you know.

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Speaker 1: We talked to her yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, she's just brilliant.

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Speaker 5: So we've been friends for a long time. In fact,

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Speaker 5: Melbourne gave me my first yellow Bick road party when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And how old were you when you did the Wiz?

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Speaker 1: How old you at that time?

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Speaker 4: I was actually seventeen, but they said I was fifteen.

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Speaker 4: But I was seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Oh, gotcha? Yeah, okay, so you're a child. So

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Speaker 1: the whiz Yeah, I saw your run when you did

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Speaker 1: it really well. Yeah, he went deep with it. She

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Speaker 1: has the tattoo on her arm. You still have that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry what I wouldn't have said that, nod.

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Speaker 2: You made me sound like a stalker, very.

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Speaker 1: Much, a stalker, very much. So I think you know

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Speaker 1: what I got to say out of I mean, you

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Speaker 1: does the you know they do the the Japanese characters,

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Speaker 2: And admit something to me because, in full disclosure, it

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Speaker 2: My godfather's Charlie Smalls. He wrote a lot of the

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Speaker 2: and that's Charlie.

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Speaker 5: Charlie Smalls was brilliant. In fact, he was the one

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Speaker 4: And taught me my songs.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I can't wait, I kind of I don't

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Speaker 2: I just can't wait for you to talk about like

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Speaker 2: the home process.

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Speaker 1: And that song and we're here already, let's go, let's go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, first of.

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Speaker 5: All, I had never that was my first time being

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Speaker 4: Holder and.

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Speaker 1: The original wins yes.

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Speaker 5: Behold the design, the cost stills, and then he later

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Speaker 4: But Gilbert Moses was the original director.

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Speaker 1: Wait, Jeffrey yeah, Nelson Nelson from Boomerang, we got I'm

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Speaker 1: more Boomerang. I barely remember. He was pun Jabbin' Annie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was there. He was seven he was the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot yes.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so the process, Yeah, can you who? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I knew who you were when I was five, But

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Speaker 1: like the whiz was just something that we've never seen

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Speaker 4: And it was it was amazing.

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Speaker 5: It was it because you know, being a black shell

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Speaker 5: and and doing the whiz. Of course, the the what

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Speaker 5: But the movie was different. It It went somewhere somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: It was just called the Wiz.

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Speaker 5: It's known because Charlie broke all news. We had all

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Speaker 5: it was almost definite that Diana was going to play Dorothy.

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Speaker 5: Okay, But really do they use the person that does

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Speaker 2: So you took it like it's this business, business business.

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Speaker 4: She went on? Maybe for one week?

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Speaker 1: Okay, people were met that week. Weren't they in five right?

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Speaker 4: Five years? Yeah? That's all they week?

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Speaker 4: It wasn't hard on me at all?

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Speaker 4: You can't do anything else. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: You can't go out, you can't party, no, nothing, no,

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Speaker 4: But the show must go on. You're taught that in theater.

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Speaker 5: I've had sprain, ankles and everything, but the show must

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask, did you ever get a

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Speaker 2: My father talks about when he wrote that song, he

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Speaker 4: But we used to sit at the piano and he

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Speaker 5: And then he also wrote a song called Opening Night,

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Speaker 5: which was a wonderful song. They didn't put it in

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Speaker 5: Everybody thinks home is mine, but be a Lion is

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Speaker 1: Thank You. The original Whiz.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely Ted Ross and Stuve Gillim was the original Scarecrush Aircraft.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it wasn't Debbie Allen in the chorus Alita.

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Speaker 4: She was was she was a munchkin.

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Speaker 4: She was understudy for Glinda's Yeah Glinda and who wow.

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Speaker 2: Really too little to know?

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Speaker 4: My mother sat in the dressing room every night.

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Speaker 1: That's the answer.

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Speaker 2: There. You go.

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Speaker 4: With me every night. When I did go out and

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Speaker 1: You were allowed to go, But what was it like?

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean you got out the house? All right, Great,

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Speaker 4: I was allowed to go. Michael and I would go

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Speaker 1: And if people wait, Michael, yes, you just can't, you

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Speaker 4: Michael Peters was in the wits too, he was the

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Speaker 1: Ah okay, wow. So you and Michael Jackson in Studio

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Speaker 1: Was it any truth to the room that you and

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Speaker 4: We were so young and you couldn't have told me that.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't going to marry Michael.

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Speaker 2: I loved.

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Speaker 4: We were friends. I would braid his hair and I

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Speaker 5: Like you you know, it just sort of happened, you know,

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Speaker 5: Because Michael liked to drive. He didn't like to drive

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Speaker 5: he would always pick me to go get the ice

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Speaker 4: Me in there to get it because he knew I

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Damn, my thought was the only human being that did that. Oh,

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Speaker 1: still nine ninety nine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when you are you mention your earlier stephan You

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Speaker 1: How many of you of you? Was it?

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Speaker 4: It was six of us, three girls, and where were you?

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Speaker 3: I was spoil That's why she stayed in the dressing room.

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Speaker 2: Your was really when y'all went to the club, they

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, the Brooklyn Mills.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, all right, So.

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Speaker 1: split breakup. So you're the project that brings them back together. Like,

449
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: what was the whole the decision to.

450
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 5: Work with at that time, you know, everybody was making

451
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: decisions for me, So I don't really know whose idea

452
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 5: it was.

453
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: All I know is one day I.

454
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 5: Was at Blackres's apartment learning, you know, songs and how

455
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 5: David and then were teaching me songs and I'd go

456
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 5: to his apartment.

457
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: Did you did you know their legacy at that point

458
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: or just like these are Dion Worrick guys and I

459
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: don't know.

460
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

461
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because didn't they write. They wrote for Oh

462
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 4: what's the uh, the Team, the Girl and the Guy.

463
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: Team, Carpenters, Carpenters, Yes, for the Well.

464
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: Only just Begun.

465
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I knew about that because I love the Carpenters, okay,

466
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 5: And I would listen to their songs and you know,

467
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: I just thought, Okay, this is legendary. These are great writers.

468
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 5: They're gonna write. But I think it was that album

469
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 5: was definitely ahead.

470
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 4: Of its time.

471
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: Who else were you listening to?

472
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 6: Like growing up, we didn't really talk about your influences,

473
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 6: like what kind of stuff were you were you damning

474
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 6: at that time?

475
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 5: Motown, Jackson Fly See, Wanda, Uh, Diana Ross, I just

476
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: love I wanted to be Diana Ross, you know people,

477
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 5: you know, a slide in the family, Stone, Marvin Gay,

478
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: you know.

479
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

480
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: So when you hit Motown you must have been in

481
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: awe of your life, like, oh my god, Yes, I

482
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: can't believe it.

483
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: I'm here.

484
00:25:53,520 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah wow. So with your your third record, you'll

485
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: work with the legendary James and Too Ma and Reggie

486
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: Lucas for the next next four albums. Can you talk about, uh,

487
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: at least the transition to what I mean, I no, no, no,

488
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: no of you with what you're going to do with

489
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: my loving I had my father had the second the

490
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: Motown album, but I came to know you through your

491
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: third album. So I mean at that at that period,

492
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: was that where you took the reins and sort of

493
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: wanted to have control over the songs you sang in

494
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: the stylistic No, that was like the last year and.

495
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 5: A half of the Whiz And I was signed to

496
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 5: twentieth when Alan Livingston was president of twenty set Box

497
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 5: and the guy that was president of the Grammys he

498
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 5: was he was vice president. Wow, And so they wanted

499
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 5: they loved into Man and Lucas, so they wanted us.

500
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 5: They put us together. But I wasn't used to singing

501
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 5: like love songs that what in two men?

502
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: That?

503
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: So we sat down and I was like, well, what

504
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 4: am I? How am I gonna sing? What are you

505
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: gonna do with my love? And what what does that mean?

506
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: You know?

507
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: Okay, to Waka would sing my demos for me, and

508
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 5: then I was gonna ask you about her. Oh to

509
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 5: Wa sang all of my demos for me, and she

510
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 5: and most of the singers that sang with Luther. In fact,

511
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 5: Luther Vandros wrote can you feel a brand new day

512
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: for the Whiz on Broadway?

513
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

514
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I was gonna say, like during that period, like

515
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: uh that whole crew to Watha Lannie Lannie, uh Nnie

516
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Groves sang with stevee Qween Guthrie, like that whole whole crew.

517
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Were you sort of immersed in that the background fraternity

518
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: sorority of what New York was offering at the time

519
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: or was it sort of like you came after the

520
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: fact like they I.

521
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: Came after the fact, but they all sang on my

522
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 5: record and I would be there when they would sing,

523
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 5: and to Waker with you know, like I said, sing

524
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: on my demos for me.

525
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: But they all say Okay, all.

526
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 6: The backgrounds, what were into me and Lucas were, What

527
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 6: were they like in the studio and kind of what

528
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 6: was the division of labor between those two in terms of.

529
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: How they worked with you.

530
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was so loving and positive because

531
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: you know, they were working with Miles Davis at the time.

532
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: They were doing the song with ROBERTA.

533
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: Flack and Donnie Hathaway, so they had a lot of

534
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 5: things going on at that time. But they were so

535
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 5: dedicated and so loving. It was the best experience. In fact,

536
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: just before Reggie passed away, we were going to get

537
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: together and write some stuff. He was gonna and I

538
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 5: was going to try to get them together.

539
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: To do something with me.

540
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 6: But wow, So it was Reggie. Was he more of

541
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 6: the lyricists than James was more music?

542
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: Or how did that was more music?

543
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 5: They both were music and and and I would say

544
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: Reggie was more of the lyricists, but there was music.

545
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, got you, got You? Yeah. Two Hearts is like

546
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: my favorite. I mean I love that song.

547
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and singing with Teddy it was good.

548
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. What was that session like? Do you remember that day?

549
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: It was?

550
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 5: It was well, they because I was still still doing

551
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: I don't think I was doing the wiz at that time,

552
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: but I was Teddy and I.

553
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: Eighty one.

554
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: No, I was in California, so they did my vocal

555
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: first and then they did his. But we were in

556
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 5: the studio together to fill the fire. I was like, uh,

557
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 5: in Philly International.

558
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: Talk about that, please, I'm just begging you.

559
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: Teddy was a piece of work.

560
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: Teddy was my brother, and uh, you know, when you're

561
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: that famous and that good looking and all the women,

562
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 5: you know, you, they really had to baby him. I

563
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 5: didn't baby Teddy. I'd be like, look, let's do this song,

564
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: Let's get it over it, Let's do it.

565
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: You know.

566
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: I really talked to him like a sister. But he

567
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: was loving and I loved working with with Teddy. We

568
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: wanted to road for like eight months out of a

569
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: year back then.

570
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it just hit me that I believe Shep

571
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: was your manager at the same time, because I was

572
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how you two hooked up and

573
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Courton yes, and I know that he's connected to Teddy.

574
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: I was going to say, how how did that pairing happen?

575
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Was that through him or just that was through Teddy?

576
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: I think I was out on the road with them,

577
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: and I really liked the way they were handling Teddy

578
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 5: and everything, and so I just asked them if they

579
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: could manage me, and they did.

580
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: I know she'd been a part of a lot of historical,

581
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: legendary things, but I was going through some old fifth

582
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: pictures and I just remembered that you were at something

583
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: that just s marked history, and that was, Oh my goodness,

584
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: Stephanie Mills. I found this picture of you at the

585
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: White House, President Carter's White House for the first Black

586
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: Music Month.

587
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: I remember that picture.

588
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: I know my dad, he's a he's a sneaking photographer.

589
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: He you know, Wow, I did.

590
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: I went to the White House twice.

591
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 5: I went to the White House when Carter was there,

592
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 5: and I went to the White House when President Reagan

593
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: was there.

594
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: Wow, what was it like to sit out on the

595
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: lawn of the White House and him dedicate.

596
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: It was wonderful to see, you know, the White House,

597
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: what we built, and just to be there and and

598
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: have all those people around us sit and talk, and

599
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: a lot of historical people.

600
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: You know.

601
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: I remember being a girl and going to Eberneza in

602
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: Atlanta and meeting you know, correct King used to come

603
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: and sing it out church at Cornerstone Baptist Church and

604
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 5: do uh uh you know how they have bibles. She

605
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: used to come and do the Bibles and then Daddy

606
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 5: King would come and preach. So I got a chance

607
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 5: to go to their house and you know, and and

608
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: and hang out.

609
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: You know.

610
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

611
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: Yolanda King was one of my friends. God rest her soul.

612
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: So yeah.

613
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 5: And then you know, with a lot of people coming backstage,

614
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 5: like I got a chance to meet Alan McGrath and

615
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: Steve McQueen and Jacquan on Nassas and you know, so

616
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: many people came back and said hello and brought flowers

617
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: and but my favorite was Pearl Bailey Wow.

618
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: And Ella Fitzgerald Wow.

619
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: But not at the same time because that would be

620
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: the same time.

621
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: But they all said the same thing that they always

622
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: They all said, there's gonna be some wolves out there,

623
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 5: but you're gonna be okay.

624
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: Just keep going. That's what they said, you just keep going.

625
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 5: It was just and then Pearl Bailey gave me a

626
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: gift from Birddoffs and I still have it in the

627
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: box and everything today.

628
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: So for your your twentieth century run with in two

629
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: Main and Lucas because with the second album with a

630
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: sweet sensation. I know that that was your first real

631
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: you know pot I mean even though black radio was

632
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: playing what You're going to do and put your body

633
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: in It and all that stuff your breakout with never

634
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: love like this before. It's how like, can you describe

635
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: at least the song, not the songwriting process, but at

636
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: least the choice of songs because that was a major,

637
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: major pop song. I didn't realize that that song actually

638
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: did better on the pop charts, and it did on

639
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: the R and B chart. So just at the time,

640
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: and you want a Grammy for it? Yeah, what how

641
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: did how did it feel at least at that point

642
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: in eighty one like that, being at that point you're

643
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: the highest point of your career. What was what was

644
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: that feeling?

645
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 4: Like? It was amazing?

646
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 5: But you know what's so funny is that now being

647
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 5: sixty three and looking back at at that I didn't

648
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: have time to stop and smell the roses, you know

649
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Everything was moving so fast, so fast

650
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: you didn't have time to really like enjoy it. Like

651
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 5: I wasn't at the Grammys.

652
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: I was working. Teddy picked up the Grammy for me

653
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 4: when I won the American Music Awards. I was there,

654
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: but everything was just happening so fast. You know, I

655
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: didn't get a time to like.

656
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: Enjoy it and be in the moments. Wow.

657
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: At that time, my family I was controlling everything, So

658
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: I guess they thought it was better for.

659
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Me to be on a road than I got one question. Wait,

660
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: I gotta get this out. Let me get this out please.

661
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: All right? So all right, fifty year old Quest Love

662
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: is not asking this question. Nine year old Amir Thompson

663
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: is asking this question that kiv nine year Oldimir Thompson. So,

664
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: nine year Oldimir Thompson has an aunt who owns a

665
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: beauty salon, and where any beauty salon in America? There

666
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: is an overabundance of Jet and Ebony magazines, and so

667
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: that's basically where you get all your information about any

668
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: black artist ever. Very true, right, occasional ride on Jet

669
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: and Eban. Now I'm nine years old, I don't know,

670
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: and I tried to look it up here and it's

671
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: really not much on it. And you actually instagrammed a

672
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: photo this week as of this recording. So all I

673
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: remember was did you have a shotgun wedding with Jeffrey

674
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Daniels and why was it so controversial at the time. Again,

675
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: I was nine years old, so I didn't get into

676
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: I just knew one day your commercial for one of

677
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: your albums had you in a hot tub. I forget

678
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: which the album was, either dantalizing, and I remember like

679
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: the talk of the beauty shot was and Jeffrey Daniels

680
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: got married and that was like, you know, and then

681
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything else about it. And slight disclosure,

682
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm an avid Soul Trained watcher. Yes, so I worked

683
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: for Soul Trained. So I'm going through your episodes and

684
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: one of your appearances you're dancing with Cooley and uh

685
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: Coolly from a solid gold like Jeffrey's guys, the guys

686
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: that talked Michael Jackson, yes, Casper and Cooley. So I

687
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: started putting two two together, like okay, that really did

688
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: happen because I was like, wait, so she got married

689
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: And then I looked on your ig you acknowledged that

690
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: because I guess his birthday was recently. What was that

691
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: period like and why were my aunts going out of

692
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: their mind over that moment. I was nine years old

693
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: at the time, so I didn't understand anything.

694
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 5: Well, you know, Jeffery and I dated for like six months.

695
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 5: Somebody from RCA introduced us. They felt like, oh, Stephanie,

696
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: you would like Jeffery.

697
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 4: He's so much funny.

698
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: Because I was so my family was very guarded with me, okay,

699
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 5: and when we Jeffrey and I would go on dates,

700
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: my brother and my sister had to go with us.

701
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: It was that oh wow.

702
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 4: So I was ready to kind of like get out

703
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: of the house. And Jeffrey was just so much fun.

704
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: So we got married. You know. He said you want

705
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: to marry me?

706
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 5: And I said yes, And we thought that I was

707
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 5: going to have a big wedding everything, but my family

708
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 5: was very.

709
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: Much against it.

710
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: So how old were you at that time?

711
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 4: I was twenty two, Okay, I knew it wasn't crazy

712
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 4: jef So I ran away to uh uh, what's the preacher?

713
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: Very nice house? James Cleveland.

714
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, James Cleveland married us?

715
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: Why right now? A little brown black history facts? Oh

716
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: my god, are you serious?

717
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: James Cleveland married us? Yep.

718
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 5: He took us to Beverly Hills, bought our rings, everything,

719
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 5: and that night he was preaching at a church and

720
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, the god down the street he was teaching.

721
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: James Cleveland, James Cleveland, Yes, James, Reverend James leaving the.

722
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: Right, I know who that is.

723
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: And we went to the church. He stopped the service

724
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: of what he was doing. He married Jeffrey and I

725
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: and then we left.

726
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: When you said that the castle and stuff, we went

727
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: out for ice cream and then Michael and then Michael. Right,

728
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: was Michael there? This is like earlier after Michael, Wow,

729
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: that is crazy. Yeah, I was saying that I'd never

730
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, my my first foray into beauty shop girlfriend

731
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: talk girl.

732
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 5: Rea, and why I put Jeffrey sent me those wedding

733
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 5: pictures and and because one of our friends had had them,

734
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 5: so he said, I'm gonna send you because he lives

735
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: in Nigeria.

736
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 4: Now he just had a beautiful Wow what baby girl?

737
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: Yes, dang, when it's still worked, they still use it.

738
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Jeffrey had just had a girl, right. Why I thought,

739
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: I told you, we won't stop. We can't stop, we can't.

740
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 5: I put it on because I heard that there was

741
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 5: so much talk of who actually taught Michael the moonwalks

742
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 5: walk that it was Casper and Jeffrey.

743
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: Because I was at those rehearsals, so I know I

744
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: was there.

745
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Wait, I was going to say, I was going to say,

746
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: and one of your performances of the Medicine song, you

747
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: actually broke out into the moonwalk.

748
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I did.

749
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: How could I live in.

750
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: Hills? How could I live with him and they rehearsal

751
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: all the time and not know how to do it?

752
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: Of course? Yes, I need to see that.

753
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I knew thousands of hours of watching the solitary would

754
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: help me to Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, so okay, I'm

755
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: just trying to go through everything.

756
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: So any questions.

757
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 3: What else did nine year old get into? I'm just interested.

758
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: Like nine year old a mere at the barbershop.

759
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: I just do.

760
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: There's nothing to do but sit there and read Jet

761
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: all the Jets and wait for my my grandmam to

762
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: get her hair done at at nine pm. Second, go home,

763
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: I'm impressed and read them.

764
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: I just went for the photos of the week.

765
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I would start of at the back. I would start

766
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: reading them at the back. I always see you jet backwards. Yeah,

767
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I want to see the albums. That's what they have read.

768
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: The first twelve pages of Jet Ever my life fact

769
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: you starting backwards and then you end after photos of

770
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: them after after the Jet beauty the week. Right, that's it.

771
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: That is over.

772
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 2: Not a deep dive, but not the deep dive. But Stephanie,

773
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: you've been to that. You went to the Ebony and

774
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 2: Jet building before?

775
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: Right? Oh?

776
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: Yes, can you tell people because they have no idea

777
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: of the layout of the floors, and the colors were

778
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: kind of like the whiz right where every floor. Yeah,

779
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: and the kitchen it was a different color every floor.

780
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 4: It was a different color every floor.

781
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: And they had big posters of all the jets and

782
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: the magazines and the covers, and they had lunch.

783
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: You would go and have lunch free, soulfuld lunch free.

784
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: I had it. I've met a couple of times.

785
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a I'm on the board the Museum and

786
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: Modern Art of Food. Well, there's going to be a

787
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: food museum coming in I thing like twenty twenty five.

788
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: But they just purchased that kitchen, and that kitchen had

789
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: to be delivered like in the state that it's always

790
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: been in sermon you hear of like people like tearing

791
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: down Banksy walls just to get his artwork. So they

792
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: literally delivered that kitchen intact from Chicago, uh to New York,

793
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: like in all of its seventies tacky psychedelic must Yeah,

794
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a very unique looking you know something, all right?

795
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: So you you have a you you you have a

796
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: rarity in which you know. Princess is well known for

797
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: his disdain for anyone covering his music, Yet he loved

798
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: your version of how Come you don't how Come you

799
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: Don't Call Me Anymore? Two things though, One, well why

800
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: did you choose that? But you also opened your album

801
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: with that. I always have questions about artists that opened

802
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: their albums with slow song cover, especially with that song,

803
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: like why did that happen? Especially when that was a

804
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: merciless had pilot era on it, E Yeah, Like I

805
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: don't think stand back, but I think yeah was like

806
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: that was the lead single. But always wanted to know

807
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: why did you open that album with how Come you

808
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: Don't Call Me Anymore?

809
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 5: Because I love the song? I love Prince. I got

810
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 5: a chance to meet Prince and go to Paisley Park

811
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 5: when Prince was honored at the Soul Train Awards. Somebody

812
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: else was going to sing how Come you Don't Call Me?

813
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 5: And he called me personally and and switched it and

814
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 5: wanted me to sing the song on the train Awards.

815
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I just think Prince is a genius

816
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 4: and I wanted to open with that on the album.

817
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 6: There was a producer you worked with on on the

818
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 6: Sweet Sensation album that I've We've never had anyone on

819
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 6: the show that has been able to talk about him

820
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 6: if if you knew herb huber Eves who did all

821
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 6: the D train stuff.

822
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 5: Hubert's played piano and stuff for all my stuff on

823
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: Into May and Lucas.

824
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, what was he like because I've we've never we've

825
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: never had anyone that you know, was able to talk

826
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 6: to about it.

827
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: He was just a cool dude, just with.

828
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: Sitting in the studio and just because most of the

829
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 5: time when I did all my stuff with Intu May,

830
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: I was in the studio live with my band with

831
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 5: the band Okay God would be in the booth and

832
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 5: they would be.

833
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: Playing, and he was just a cool He was an

834
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: easy going, beautiful brother. He was just easy going.

835
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: That's what's up.

836
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 6: Because all that D trains though, I mean that was

837
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 6: my you know, I was a kid and I played

838
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 6: that stuff. My mom used to play that stuff.

839
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: All the time.

840
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was cool.

841
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: That's what's up.

842
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: I know that.

843
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Uh, you worked with uh Hawk was David Hawk was

844
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: from from Rufus. I have to Okay, So I heard

845
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: a rumor that were you supposed to be the initial

846
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: recipient of Ain't Nobody? I know that according to Shaka,

847
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: that was a last minute like Rufus getting that song

848
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: was the last minute resort because initially I believe that

849
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: the talk was that Cimbello, Michael Simbelo and Hawk Wazinski

850
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: was trying to place it on Thriller didn't make it.

851
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: And then I heard that when Hawk was working on

852
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: I've Got the Cure, he wanted you to do that?

853
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: Is there truth to that? Like? Were you offered Ain't Nobody? First?

854
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 4: I wasn't offered. I wasn't offered. I wish that I was, though,

855
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 4: but I wasn't. I wasn't offered that song. No, okay,

856
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: but you know Patty was supposed to do I feel

857
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: Good all over and wowed and took the song. You know,

858
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 4: songs are taken from artists every day.

859
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Are you aware of how of hip hop's relationship to something?

860
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: That way? You made me feel you would cut it

861
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: up free fat Joe?

862
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: I love that, Joe. But yeah, you know they told

863
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 4: me about it. Kick Cabre definitely told me about it and.

864
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: Fat Joe you finally did it with him, I believe

865
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: last year like live where he Yes, we were at

866
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: I was at.

867
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: My manager's charity event and uh uh Indianapolis.

868
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, they still got it. Good for them, and

869
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: uh I.

870
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: Did it with him. We went to the there was

871
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 4: there's a white party that they had and I got

872
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 4: on stage and did it with him.

873
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: That's so dope.

874
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 4: We recorded We were going to record it and Teddy

875
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: Rowley was going to do it, but I don't. I

876
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: think it kind of just like fell apart. But I

877
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: was going to sing it over with him and let

878
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 4: him do his thing.

879
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: So at that time, they were just explaining to you

880
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: what that song meant to the hip hop nation, like

881
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: you you were just unaware.

882
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 4: I was unaware of it.

883
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so for our listeners, so yeah, for our listeners

884
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: out there. With the advent of like mixtapes and being

885
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: a kick, Capri was sort of out the gate as

886
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: one of the very first like mixtape pioneers or what

887
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: we know is mixtapes. It was just a radical idea

888
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: back in the day to take a cappella well, first

889
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: of all, to fine any a cappella versions of songs

890
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: was hard enough. So there was an a cappella version

891
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: of something the Way You Feel on the twelve inch

892
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: and then he would put it under the Honey Drippers

893
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: and Peach the President break beat, and that was like

894
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: our first taste of a blend where you could take

895
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: someone's vocals from here and put it under a beat

896
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: over there, and like that's basically what inspired like and

897
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: the thing that was smarter about women.

898
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, kid was smart enough to know that, like you

899
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 6: put that vocal under just a raw breakbeat and the

900
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 6: key would match because it's just a raw when you

901
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 6: had other duties there just be putting may be putting

902
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 6: vocals under whatever and I'm like anything, I'm like, this

903
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 6: is not match at all.

904
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

905
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that became. That was like one of

906
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: kick Capri's signature mixes. No kick Capre party would be

907
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: complete without him opening up his For thirty years, he

908
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: would open up his set with Stephanie Mills and Impeach

909
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: the President. So wow, yeah to see that happen that

910
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: was like super legendary. Yeah, yeah, you know, it was

911
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: super legendary. Stephanie again, like we're also using you as

912
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: the conduit to figure out like about our favorites. You

913
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: worked under the tutelage of Loose Silas at mc Yes, Yeah,

914
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: that was what was working with lou like, Like, what

915
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: was he like as well? I mean was he president

916
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: of the Black division at MCA or was he just

917
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: head A and R?

918
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: Like?

919
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: What was his position?

920
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 4: He was head of A and R. But he did everything.

921
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: He did all my mixes. He did the remixes of

922
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: Power of Love and a lot of songs. I loved

923
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: working with lol.

924
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 5: Lull had a great ear. I mean he had a

925
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 5: great ear. He was working with you know, a New

926
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 5: Edition and Bobby Brown and all of that. He put

927
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 5: all that stuff together. He put them all all together

928
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 5: and worked and and he was the one who chose

929
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 5: my songs. And when things didn't work out with one producer,

930
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 5: Jerald Buzzby would come and take that song and give

931
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 5: it to another producer. Jerald Busby and Lull worked hand

932
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 5: in hand.

933
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say he discribed what was

934
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: what were they like? Because it's hard to find anyone

935
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: that was really, you know, in proximity to where they

936
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: were at the time.

937
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: I was with them a lot.

938
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: I would go up to the to the office a lot.

939
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 4: They were just cool guys.

940
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: I always had lunch with with Joe Busby and Louel.

941
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 5: I would go to the basketball games with him because

942
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 5: Lowell later on was dating Cassandra, you know, was a

943
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 5: manager at the time. So I was with loll And

944
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 5: over Lowell's house all the time. And Joe Busby we

945
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 5: became close, very close.

946
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: I also know that you uh worked with Richard Rudolph

947
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: and also with Rod Temperton. Yes, well, I know that

948
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: he did.

949
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 4: I've working with Rod Templeton. Now. He was a genius

950
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: with background vocals and making and blending things together. Oh

951
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: my god. And he was the nicest, nicest, most humble guy.

952
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: He was.

953
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask, like, how much of

954
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: a task master was he with his background vocal stacking, Like, oh,

955
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: was he super intense?

956
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 4: Yes it was.

957
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 5: It was intense, but he wasn't mean about it. He

958
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 5: wasn't like okay, he was very nice about it.

959
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 4: And I was used to working in the studio and

960
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: as long as you get me in the studio.

961
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 5: Early, I'm good. I don't do night time student because

962
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 5: I go to bed early. I get sleepy, but early

963
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 5: in the day, I'm good.

964
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: So I loved it and I learned so much.

965
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: So an average session, how long could your voice last

966
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: before it's starting to give out? Like are you good?

967
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: For two hours? And then it's like stop?

968
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: But I do I don't.

969
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 5: I don't beat a song. I do one or two

970
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 5: takes and that's it because I do my homework at home.

971
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: So I'm not you know, I'm not gonna sing all day.

972
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 5: I've never I've never been one to sing all day.

973
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 5: Most of my songs are done in one take.

974
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: That takes. That's it. We got to fix with it.

975
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: But other than that one or two, do it right?

976
00:52:59,719 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: Do it?

977
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I love it? Wow?

978
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: Do you do you think do you think that like

979
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: and of course God given talent is definitely a part

980
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: of it, but do you think that like your theater

981
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: background has a lot to do with that?

982
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 5: Oh?

983
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely.

984
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 5: My theater background definitely definitely taught me the discipline. You know,

985
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 5: I was They knew that when I came in the studio,

986
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 5: I was going to be ready.

987
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: I was going to know my songs, and that's it.

988
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 5: My theater background and being in theater and and being

989
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 5: around those because I was around like Liza Minelli and

990
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 5: Rivera and and all these legendary theater people. Broadway was

991
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: like a community, So I learned, and I and I

992
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 5: was the kind that would just sit and watch. I

993
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 5: wouldn't talk when other people was working. I'd watch the

994
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 5: director because I found that fascinating. So I would just

995
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 5: sit and watch and learn. And and Cheetah was became

996
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 5: very good friends with me, and and and I did

997
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 5: the Sammy Davis Junior Show and Liza. Sammy gave me

998
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 5: a gold bracelet, but Eliza, miss Manelli, had given it

999
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 5: to Sammy, so he had to come and get it

1000
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 5: and then buy.

1001
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 4: Me another one. Did you got Eliza?

1002
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 5: I had it, but he forgot that Liza gave it

1003
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 5: to him, and she reminded him, and so then he

1004
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 5: came to the theater and got it, and then he

1005
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 5: brought me another one.

1006
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: Wow, you had a relationship with Liza like y'all have. Actually,

1007
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: I mean, miss Manelli, y'all had a relationship where you

1008
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: were actually speak to you.

1009
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 5: Respect, you know, because she was there was nobody bigger

1010
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 5: on Broadway than Liza Manilla right right, geta Rivera, you know,

1011
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 5: And and then Pippin and Ben Vereen and all those people.

1012
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 4: I just learned from all of them.

1013
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: I asked about Liza specifically because you remixed the role

1014
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: of her mother. So I was just curious if that

1015
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: that ever came into conversation or she ever lets you

1016
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: know that she was aware.

1017
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: She was aware, and she felt like I did a

1018
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: good job, and she told me not to worry about

1019
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 4: what people said.

1020
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 6: Yes, we were wanted to know your work with Nick

1021
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 6: Martinelli was yeah. Was that like were you a fan

1022
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 6: of the loose end stuff that he had done?

1023
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: Like before that? Like how did y'all hook up?

1024
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 5: I think Louel put that together and then Philadelphia and

1025
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 5: I went to his house and we talked about it.

1026
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 5: But Nick allowed me to be free, like the first

1027
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 5: part of Home. I wrote that I and I told

1028
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: Nick that I wanted Home to be a little bit

1029
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 5: more urban because I was coming out. You know, I

1030
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 5: had done the Whiz, but I wanted to be a

1031
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 5: little bit more urban. And I wanted people to remember.

1032
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: How great Charlie Small songs were. I didn't want them

1033
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 4: to forget, you know.

1034
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 5: So when we went in the studio and take six,

1035
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 5: did the backgrounds, Oh, that's them, I didn't.

1036
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: Let's take six casual flex n Wow, yeah I can.

1037
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 6: I can hear you saying it because I well maybe

1038
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 6: as was because you know, I was thinking particular about

1039
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 6: if I were your woman, and how that just sounds

1040
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 6: like nothing that he had done like previously before that.

1041
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: It sounds nothing like the loosen stuff for like none

1042
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: of that. I was going to say, that's his first

1043
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: parade outside of eight o eight.

1044
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jam and Lewis.

1045
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: DNA talked.

1046
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 4: I loved Nick. I mean even when Nick went to prison,

1047
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 4: I went to visit him there.

1048
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh he's at the prison. Yeah, that's why we gotta

1049
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: interview Nick Martin. By the way, I missed that. Jimmy

1050
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: Jam actually told me you guys got to interview them

1051
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: and find out why.

1052
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: I gotta google that. Damn all right, No I.

1053
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Didn't know my so yeah, no, we we definitely got

1054
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: to get Nick Martinelli episode out because yeah, it's a story,

1055
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: it's a story. I was going to say, why did

1056
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: you decide to reclaim or recover Home in eighty nine

1057
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: when for the home album?

1058
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: Because so many of the cast members had passed on

1059
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: and I just wanted people to remember and I wanted to.

1060
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: Do a tribute, and that was my tribute to the original.

1061
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 5: Cast members, to Charlie Smalls and Ken Harper and Charles

1062
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 5: who was our director, and a lot of people that passed.

1063
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: On, even Michael Peters, Yes, Michael Peters, Yes.

1064
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: So okay, after I asked about Angela, well, I mean

1065
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: there's so many other producers. Well, first of all working

1066
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: with Angela Wimbush. I know she wrote those songs, but

1067
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: does she actually produce power love and something that make

1068
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: me feel as well?

1069
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: Or well, I won't tell you the story about Power Love.

1070
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell that story.

1071
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 5: But they started producing it and then Gerald had to

1072
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 5: come in and take it and give it to have

1073
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 5: Mercy cursy, cursy, and he finished it. But yes, she

1074
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 5: wrote Power of Love was originally power of God. Angela

1075
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 5: wrote and produced something in the Way You Make Me

1076
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 5: Feel and uh uh another.

1077
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: Song on my album.

1078
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 5: But I think Angela is a brilliant writer and producer.

1079
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 5: She's one of my good friends.

1080
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: That's what's up. And she still she's still like like

1081
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: active and stuff.

1082
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 5: She's still like helpwise, she's well, yes, going to the

1083
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 5: church now, but she's still act that.

1084
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: You know, I get her to do a song and stuff.

1085
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 4: But she's still active.

1086
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, she sang at a AT's funeral. Oh wow, oh man,

1087
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: I know that was a little weird. Yeah, like me

1088
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: and me and di'angelo were her impromptu band. Oh but

1089
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: we were at the Apollo first of all. I was

1090
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: at the Apollo and then like, oh, we're playing angel

1091
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Tino Angeli Wick. So we're like winging it. But she's

1092
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: also kind of quasi throwing us under the bus because

1093
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: we know the chord changes. Like I was just here

1094
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: to look at the casket and leave. Now I'm playing

1095
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: drums with you. Okay.

1096
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask seventy who are like you mentioned Angelo,

1097
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: you mentioned Twala and Elba, But who are your your

1098
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: sisters and song like the ladies especially you've been catching

1099
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: on during these these times.

1100
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have a crew? Like who were your BFFs?

1101
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: Like people that you could.

1102
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 2: Lean on and they're not in the industry though, Wow,

1103
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: that's what I meant. I thought somebody who you were

1104
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: going through it. You're both going through the same, you know.

1105
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 5: The only person that probably uh would be Angela. It's

1106
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 5: hard to be friends with sometimes the women in the

1107
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 5: business because it's.

1108
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 4: A different kind of thing, you know, it's hard. It's hard, oh, Ques.

1109
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: Who said that?

1110
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: And you said earlier that the record label and your

1111
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: family kind of controlled a lot of stuff. So I

1112
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: thought about that, and I was like, I wonder if

1113
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: it was at times where it was like pitting against

1114
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: and whatnot, because you know the whole mentality of there

1115
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: can only be one and what.

1116
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 5: I never had that mentality, not you, but but I'm

1117
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 5: saying like there are some artists that really do have

1118
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: that mentality. But I always competed with myself being better

1119
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 5: for myself. You know, I tried to be better or

1120
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 5: sing better than anybody else. I just did me and

1121
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 5: that always worked for me.

1122
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: That worked because there is no like you know, she

1123
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: just like Stephanie Mills.

1124
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: There's no no, no, you know there was, now that

1125
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: I think about it, there's a There was a kind

1126
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: of a what do you call it? For Christmas? When

1127
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: they do no no, no, not a Christmas album. But

1128
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: a friend of mine took me to a church in Harlem,

1129
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: and this church it's like six thousand seats. I just

1130
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: remember it was you and Felicia Rashad. I saw is

1131
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: that when they.

1132
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: Had the real live animals and stuff.

1133
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 4: Oh no, that we didn't have real live animals, but

1134
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 4: we did Black Nativity.

1135
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Oh yo, I was going to say, okay the night

1136
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: the night I finished Master in il Adelph Half Life,

1137
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I got off early, and friends of Mine is like, yo,

1138
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Stephanie Mills go singing at a church

1139
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: this Nativity thing, and like Felicia Rashad was the narrator,

1140
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: and what was always wanted to know because the thing

1141
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: was they were doing it was the story of Black

1142
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: Nativity scene. But it was a sold out audience, and

1143
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: you were incorporating kind of your catalog. I mean, you

1144
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: sort of had to bend the narrative so that it

1145
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: could fit the story of the Nativity. So like, yes,

1146
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna do I feel good all over. But it

1147
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: was sort of bent into whatever. The story of Mary

1148
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: explaining to Joseph, well she got prayed. It was the

1149
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: weirdest thing, like it was. It was basically in my head.

1150
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: I was sitting there like, okay, so she's doing six songs,

1151
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: She's doing six of her hits, and they had to

1152
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: figure out a way how to incorporate those hits into

1153
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: the narrative of the birth of baby Jesus. So it

1154
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: was like, but feel the fire, like all these songs

1155
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: that were not Nativity ready, but they twisted. Always wanted

1156
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: to like, how how did that come to be? Obviously

1157
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't the first time you did it, so it

1158
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: was like, was that a something normal for you? Because

1159
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: literally they.

1160
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 4: Felt like I think I did I feel good all over?

1161
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 4: And I think I did home or something. I don't

1162
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 4: think I did feel the fire.

1163
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I swear it was like three or four songs, and

1164
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, how they going to incorporate this one?

1165
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, how how did they how did

1166
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: that come to be?

1167
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 5: They they wanted they felt like if people came to

1168
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 5: see it, they'd want to hear me sing something that

1169
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 5: that people know for right, Okay, that they're more famili

1170
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 5: we're with then just that and that's how they wanted

1171
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 5: to sell it.

1172
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: Okay. I was a board. I was like, okay, to

1173
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: reinterpret all of your songs through the gospel filtering. I

1174
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: thought that was Matt clever. So I wanted to know

1175
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: was that something that you would return to or I

1176
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: didn't know if maybe that point in your life you

1177
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: were just going to do non secular versions of your

1178
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: regular Songho.

1179
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: I did one.

1180
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 5: Gospel album and everybody all thought, oh, she's doing gospel now,

1181
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 5: But I wanted to do you know, I eventually would

1182
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 5: love to do a Broadway album.

1183
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 4: And sing yeah, oh wow tune. So I want to

1184
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 4: do that.

1185
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 5: That was one of the reasons why I left MCA,

1186
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: because they no longer Well first, I didn't want to

1187
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 5: record contract anymore. I just wanted to kind of do

1188
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 5: what I wanted to do, and so I'd love to

1189
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 5: do a Broadway album.

1190
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: We got two Broadway show producer and composers right here

1191
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: on this uh we do you you?

1192
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: That guy?

1193
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: You? And William Bill that guy.

1194
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask along those lines, Ms Mills,

1195
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: how do you feel about being one of the only

1196
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: that I can think of at the moment or at

1197
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: all like Broadway folk who began as a Broadway person

1198
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: and then graduated into pop star them if there are

1199
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 3: plenty who are pop stars who take on stunt rolls

1200
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: and musicals, but you're one of the only people I

1201
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 3: can think of who began as a Broadway person and

1202
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: then became this sort of big pop sensation.

1203
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: What is that like?

1204
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: I can't even think of anybody else who's along those lines.

1205
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 5: They always reminded me of that. They always like, Stephanie,

1206
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 5: it's really odd that you came from Broadway. Usually Broadway

1207
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 5: people don't have the voice to be commercial, and that's me.

1208
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: It's a different voice.

1209
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 4: It's a different It really is a different voice. But

1210
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 4: I don't really know how I did it. I mean,

1211
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: I get I have to.

1212
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 5: Really thank the producers. And I never really left. I

1213
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 5: never let I never left my soul. Even though I

1214
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: was on Broadway and singing, I still kept my soul.

1215
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 5: I think I didn't like turn into this Broadway singer.

1216
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: Did they try to change you though? Like I mean,

1217
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: like Broadways known for vibroadbo and like epic whatever it is,

1218
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: and I don't at.

1219
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: All then sound. Yeah, you know that whiny kind of sound.

1220
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 5: But I uh, they tried to change me later in

1221
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 5: my career. They wanted me to take some of the

1222
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 5: soul out of my voice because they wanted me to

1223
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 5: be so. They would say, you're sounding a little bit

1224
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 5: too black. I mean, even my videos and things were

1225
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 5: never played on MTV or v h one because they

1226
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 5: said I was too black.

1227
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 6: Oh, I was gonna say, I remember you did a

1228
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 6: song that I thought was kind of to me, it

1229
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 6: felt like a comeback, so to speak, when you did

1230
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 6: I Just Want Love and it was it was on

1231
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 6: the Strictly Business soundtrack. I would never get this song soundtrack.

1232
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 6: It was on the it was on the Strictly Business soundtrack.

1233
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 6: It's the last song. It's the Streetly Business, the movie

1234
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 6: with Halle Berry and Tommy Davis and I Can't Home

1235
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 6: from the Cosby Show, Super classic.

1236
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 2: Remember that song, God, literally I can't because we used.

1237
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: To I just want to from you, I just want

1238
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: you love from you. It was on the it was

1239
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: the first song on the soundtrack, but it's the last

1240
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: jam in the movie.

1241
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: It sounds nineties very I was in like.

1242
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 6: Seventh grade, but but I was. But but the thing

1243
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 6: was because it was other people on that soundtrack. I

1244
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 6: think I think like Mary was on that soundtrack, and

1245
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 6: I just remember Uptown m A.

1246
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 5: And you know it was Mary, Patti LaBelle, Jody Watley,

1247
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 5: myself and we were all on m c A. We

1248
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 5: would always come out first quarter, second quarter, third quarter,

1249
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 5: fourth quarter, released by records.

1250
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: Well at least, yeah, same time.

1251
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: That's good.

1252
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 6: I thought that was just a good way of them

1253
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 6: kind of uh you know, it was a voice that

1254
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 6: was familiar to me, and I heard it and I

1255
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 6: was like, man, they found a way to, you know,

1256
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 6: make material that puts Stephanie in like a modern day context,

1257
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 6: you know. And it didn't sound like like you said,

1258
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 6: you know, it sounded like you were still you were

1259
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 6: still doing you. You weren't trying to do like what

1260
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 6: the younger generation was doing. It didn't sound like you

1261
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 6: were pandering. It just sounded like, oh, this is Stephanie

1262
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 6: Mills in this context. And I always thought that's I

1263
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 6: always really liked that song.

1264
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: My question is, as as a quote real singer or

1265
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: a singer singer.

1266
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 4: How what's your funny.

1267
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: Not questions even funny?

1268
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: As a real singer? How hard is it to make

1269
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: sense where we are now? This is not not like

1270
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: to dispara or bring no no, no no.

1271
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: I love it Stephanie Mills. I love it.

1272
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: Let's go No Oh wait what am I missing?

1273
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 4: Oh?

1274
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: On Twitter? I forgot?

1275
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 2: Oh?

1276
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 4: I just.

1277
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 2: I just love that she don't hold her tongue.

1278
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: That's what I forgot. Yes, I totally forgot you bring

1279
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: smoke to Sam about Michael Jackson. I forgot about that.

1280
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: But I mean, just where we where we are now,

1281
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: Where we are now where? I mean, you know what

1282
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: music is now, I don't have to auto tune everything. Yeah,

1283
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: it's just it could be frustrating sometimes. I mean even

1284
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: me now, like as a music fan and actively in

1285
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: the music business, you know, I don't have any expectations

1286
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: for people to blow me away with their singing anymore,

1287
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: or good songs to be written or any of those things.

1288
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: But how do you do you even make sense of

1289
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: what's happening today at all? Or is it just like

1290
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: R and B.

1291
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 5: Well, I think that they've just kind of like killed

1292
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 5: dur and B. They're trying to but we're trying to

1293
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 5: hold on to it as you know. No, I think

1294
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 5: it's very easy for people today to become pop stars,

1295
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 5: and they use the word legends and icons and things

1296
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 5: very loosely.

1297
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 4: And I think that's why.

1298
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 5: A lot of people can't sing live. I mean a

1299
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 5: lot of shows are taped. A lot of shows, you'd

1300
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 5: be surprised. I've been on the road with quite a

1301
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 5: few artists and mostly predominantly.

1302
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 4: All their whole show is taped.

1303
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1304
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 5: So, but I come from theater, you know, and I'm

1305
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 5: so glad, I'm so thankful every day that you know,

1306
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 5: I've learned how to sing, whether I can hit that

1307
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 5: note that night, or point to my background singer and

1308
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 5: hit it. But what I do before I go on

1309
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 5: the road is I sing all my songs every day

1310
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 5: so that I can sound somewhat like I sounded, you know,

1311
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 5: and people won't be scared to hear me. I do

1312
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 5: sing every day because I just love to sing. But

1313
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 5: today's music, I don't think any of today's music you'll

1314
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 5: hear five and ten years from now like you do

1315
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 5: Stevie and Aretha and and and the people from the

1316
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 5: seventies and eighties.

1317
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 4: I don't think that you'll hear this music today. One

1318
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 4: I don't.

1319
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think in my head like you. I'm sorry,

1320
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: I was trying to argue that fact, but okay.

1321
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 4: I don't do I don't know. I mean, I love

1322
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,879
Speaker 4: Jasmine Sullivan, but I feel I love her as a vocalist,

1323
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 4: uh a, Deborah Cox. I think it's a brilliant vocalist.

1324
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: And but that's still not in this in the next

1325
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 2: to ten years, in this last years, that's not that's.

1326
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 5: Not like immediate, Like do you think that we'll hear

1327
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 5: Cardi b stuffed ten to fifteen years from now, no man,

1328
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 5: So you know that.

1329
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 4: And that's not to take away from anybody.

1330
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 5: I'm not because I don't knock anybody's hustling, But I

1331
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 5: just don't think that you know their music is going

1332
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 5: to last ten to fifteen year Miss Stephan.

1333
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 6: I was gonna ask so with your jam with hip hop?

1334
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 6: When hip hop, you know, kind of came into the

1335
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 6: just into the industry. You know, every episode of Unsung

1336
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 6: they all have the same story. It's like they they

1337
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 6: were doing great and then rap and it was over.

1338
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. How what was it like

1339
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: for you?

1340
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying when you saw the industry

1341
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 6: kind of starting to shift and you saw what hip

1342
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 6: hop was becoming.

1343
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: What was that like for you? And what was your

1344
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: relationship to hip hop? If any I didn't have.

1345
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 4: A relationship with hip hop, but I enjoyed it. I mean,

1346
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, I guess something different because I just

1347
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 4: I just keep doing me. I just kept doing what

1348
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 4: I did.

1349
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 5: I didn't try to change and try to adapt, you know,

1350
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 5: I just I just kept doing another version of me

1351
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 5: whatever that you know, just keep doing another version of me.

1352
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 4: I love hip hop, you know I I would I

1353
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 4: Oh my Christmas album, I wrapped, I wrapped the Red Bars.

1354
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, yes, I don't know.

1355
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 5: I just I you know, everybody has their thing to do,

1356
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, hey, you just keep on

1357
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 5: going and to come back around.

1358
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: I've seen it, but it didn't bother you like the

1359
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 2: Unsung bother me.

1360
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 5: No.

1361
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 4: I didn't freak out about it now because I could

1362
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 4: always go and do theater. I can do other things.

1363
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 4: So I didn't. I didn't like, Oh god, No, I

1364
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 4: didn't want anymore anyway.

1365
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: If there was a show, what would the show? Is

1366
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 2: there a show you have in mind that you would

1367
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: love to do as far as a theater.

1368
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 4: Yes, Melody and I are going to do run It's

1369
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 4: woman show Happen. We're writing it now.

1370
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I'm here. We're here for that.

1371
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: We're writing.

1372
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 4: Melbourne is just wonderful on stage.

1373
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 5: We did a we did a show called If You

1374
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 5: Had to Talk, and it was just wonderful being on

1375
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 5: stage with her.

1376
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 4: Talk recently and that she was like, let's work together.

1377
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 4: I said, let's do it. We found a writer. So

1378
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 4: they're writing it now.

1379
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: Oh it's good. Get my ears ready, Okay, since I

1380
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: wasn't going to ask the question, but I mine as well.

1381
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: Have you heard back from Sam Smith? Quiet back at him? Oh,

1382
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: I only forgot about that's she brought smoke. I love.

1383
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 4: You know what it is? This is really what it

1384
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 4: is about it.

1385
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 5: People don't really know my personality because I've always just

1386
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 5: been a singer.

1387
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 4: And on Broadway. But I'm really just a hood girl

1388
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 4: from Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying. I'm really just

1389
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 4: that that girl. And I love Michael.

1390
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 5: He's not here to take care of herself and I

1391
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 5: to speak up for herself. And I get tired of

1392
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 5: people who I know have copied sounds. I mean, Sam

1393
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 5: Smith is nothing but Sylvester all over.

1394
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1395
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 4: So you know when you say you don't like our music,

1396
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 4: how can you say that? So I really had to.

1397
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 5: I felt like I have to say something. And my

1398
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 5: manager's always like, Okay, I'm gonna let you say this,

1399
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 5: but you gotta say it like this, because sometimes I

1400
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 5: just think people need to back off.

1401
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 4: I don't like when they they need an education, and

1402
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 4: they need an.

1403
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 5: Education, they need it, And I don't think people should

1404
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 5: say things about people and they're not here to defend themselves.

1405
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if you wanted to.

1406
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 5: It's just like when fifty was talking about Michael and

1407
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 5: you know, and then his daughter said, please don't talk

1408
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 5: about my father, and then fifty wanted to, you know, go,

1409
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 5: she's a child, you know, so I kind of I said,

1410
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 5: why don't you talk to me? I'm more your speed,

1411
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 5: I'm older, you know, so I just I just don't

1412
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 5: like when people are bullies.

1413
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 4: I don't like bullies. I don't.

1414
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: There you go, Stephanie Miles. I'm telling you, Stephie Mills

1415
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: Yon word, they sat in Twitter on fire.

1416
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 4: Okay, she doesn't play, Leon does not play. And you

1417
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 4: know who didn't play, Aretha? Aretha didn't play.

1418
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: She didn't really. Oh now what was she like? Did

1419
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: you y'all have worked together or anything? Were y'all just colleagues.

1420
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 5: I lived in Detroit for a couple of years and

1421
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 5: she used to come. I did a play there and

1422
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,440
Speaker 5: she used to come and see me, and towards.

1423
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 4: The end of her life we would talk.

1424
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 5: I talked to her about two months before she passed away,

1425
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 5: and she told me a lot of things about Motown

1426
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 5: and how Barry started it and how her sister was involved.

1427
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 5: And her father, And it's a conversation I could never

1428
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,919
Speaker 5: talk about. But I loved Aretha. But Aretha took no prisoners.

1429
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 5: When I tell you she didn't, she didn't.

1430
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I you know, I guess in closing,

1431
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 1: I would just like to know from this journey you had, like,

1432
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: what is your in a career with so many highlights

1433
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: in it, what is your like, your your favorite what

1434
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: means the most to you of your entire journey, your

1435
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: creative journey, That I'm still.

1436
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 4: Here, that I didn't get on drugs.

1437
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, because I think about Whitney, and

1438
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 5: I think about Michael, and I think about Prince, I

1439
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 5: think about Gerald and.

1440
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 4: So many times as artists, we have so much pressure

1441
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 4: and wait on us that just destroys us.

1442
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 5: And people don't really understand sometimes what an artist is

1443
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 5: going through.

1444
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 4: So I think that I'm still.

1445
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 5: Here and somewhat my right mind, and and that I

1446
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 5: enjoyed it. I'm able to enjoy it and sit back

1447
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 5: and relax and just enjoy it.

1448
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 6: I was going to ask you earlier because you were

1449
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 6: saying that you know, when you look back over your

1450
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 6: career and just over your life, it was all kind

1451
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 6: of going really fast and you never really had a

1452
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 6: chance taking in in what ways, if any has twenty

1453
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 6: twenty like with us being kind of locked down with

1454
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 6: COVID and everything, what has that given you a chance?

1455
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 6: What is this year giving you a chance to reflect

1456
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 6: on and you know, kind of change or any shifts

1457
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 6: that you may be making in your life now?

1458
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 5: You know, when I turned forty forty five, I had

1459
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 5: my son, and I didn't I didn't have a It

1460
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 5: all changed for me when I separed my ties with

1461
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 5: MCA because I didn't want to be a fortying artist anymore.

1462
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: And what year was that around? What time?

1463
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 5: Oh my, I was looking the nineties. Okay, the nineties, yeah,

1464
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 5: and I just I slowed down.

1465
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 4: But it wasn't until i'd like hit fifty fifty five

1466
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh man, you.

1467
01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: Know, I like this.

1468
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 4: But my sixth seas have been the best. Really, oh

1469
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 4: my sixties have. Really. I don't care what I.

1470
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: Say.

1471
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 4: I don't care about nothing.

1472
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

1473
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 5: So it's like, I don't care what you say about me.

1474
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 5: I don't care, you know, It's just you don't care.

1475
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 5: It's but when you're like in the thirties, you're caring

1476
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 5: about what everybody. The sixties have been just wonderful. My

1477
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 5: fifties and my sixties have been just wonderful.

1478
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so great. Twenty one. Yeah, I was gonna say,

1479
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: you look amazing, amazing.

1480
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 4: Before in March.

1481
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: You look like that same little lady I saw on

1482
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: stage when I was six.

1483
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all in here.

1484
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 2: You and melbur got something going on.

1485
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1486
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to hold you a little secrets, but

1487
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 2: you and Melbourn, they got something going on.

1488
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 4: You know what I think it is.

1489
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 5: I just think I get a lot of sleep. I

1490
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 5: don't really smoke or anything. And I just started drinking

1491
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 5: wine at sixties.

1492
01:19:59,240 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 1: What really?

1493
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 4: That's yes, I just.

1494
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: What they start drowning to me because I just started that,

1495
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: uh earlier this year.

1496
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 4: And everyone you're drinking now.

1497
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: Yes, the rest of the.

1498
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 2: Ve been drinking since we was seing.

1499
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,839
Speaker 4: They I just started.

1500
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: I just started.

1501
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 3: Thank you, you've been missing out.

1502
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, this all right, this one,

1503
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: this one thing I gotta know, okay, Senior in concert

1504
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: once Yes, and you're doing if I was your woman,

1505
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: mm hmm, and you always did it. You had a

1506
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: chair as a prop.

1507
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 4: Yes, four chairs.

1508
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, this is what I gotta know. I don't

1509
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: know if it was just the Philadelphia air, but you

1510
01:20:54,439 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: went extra on throwing that chair above your head in

1511
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: a way it was almost like a no look pass

1512
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: from Like I just want to know in performing that

1513
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: particular song, was that a nightly ritual. I don't even

1514
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but you just you you pick

1515
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: this chair up and it was like you know them

1516
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: chairs that comedians use when they do their routines, like

1517
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: them those talk like literally she hoisted it to the

1518
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: other side of the stage, And I always wanted to know, like,

1519
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: was that a part of your routine where you Pete

1520
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: Townshend Pete Townsend from the who that reference? Was that

1521
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: a part of your repertoire every night when you did

1522
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: that song?

1523
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 5: Or I was to throw it but not not probably

1524
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 5: like that. But sometimes I get so involved and I

1525
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 5: go to another.

1526
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 4: Space on stage.

1527
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 5: So that was probably one of the nights that I

1528
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 5: was in another space. Maybe my boyfriend made me mad

1529
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 5: or something, I don't know, and I just took it

1530
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 5: out on the chair.

1531
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: That was Olympic level of chair throwing, which.

1532
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 4: I was like, those chids were really light though, they

1533
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 4: weren't heavy.

1534
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: They were really like, what's your sign, Stephanie, I'm ari,

1535
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you do that?

1536
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 4: Okay?

1537
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: Can I just.

1538
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: Ask before we go? Because I asked Melb this, and

1539
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: I think we should probably just get in the habit

1540
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: of doing this, Like for folks that are listening that

1541
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: love you and being a fan and stuff like, where

1542
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 2: do you tell them, especially in COVID, like how to

1543
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: support you and make sure that they are tuned into

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 2: how they can support you.

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: On my I G, I'm on i G, I'm on

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01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 4: Twitter and.

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01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: Had you for sharing too. On IG you share your

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01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: story with your son and whatnot.

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01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 4: And I just have my story with my son and

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01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 4: I talk about people a little bit, but not too bad.

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01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 4: I don't think, you know. I just kind of keep

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01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 4: them straight a little bit.

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: To somebody got to.

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01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 4: Just a little bit. But people kind of get afraid

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01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 4: or whatever don't want to talk to me. But that's cool.

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01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Ever, we should have a counsel for this kind of ship.

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01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 2: You should have help and tap somebody in.

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 5: But I think people should say, I mean, this year

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01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,759
Speaker 5: has been so tough on everybody. I have crazy faith,

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 5: you know, my faith has always gotten me through situations

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01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 5: and I just think people need to wear their masks

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01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 5: and wash their hands and it. You know, I guess

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01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 5: some people will take the vaccine. I don't think I'm

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01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 5: gonna take the vaccine. I'm gonna wait and see you.

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01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 5: I wait and see what they're doing, because I don't

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Speaker 5: trust it.

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01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: That's you know, Spring, We cain't, none of us take

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 2: it right now anyway, Let's just wait for the fourth

1569
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: match to get their second shot, you.

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01:23:55,240 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: Know, exactly get that iPad never first generation, right, exactly right.

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01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: Well, once again, we thank you for doing our show,

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01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: and I'm happy you said you agreed to do it's.

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01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 4: Going to have you invited me. Thank you so much.

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 4: I've had a good time.

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01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: And you live in North Carolina. I'm so proud I

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01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: did all this time. Man, Yes, Carolin, I love you.

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Speaker 4: New York too, but I could never live in New

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 4: York again.

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01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 2: It's to get too over that ship. Oh I'm too

1580
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: old for it. I'm too old for that ship. A love.

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: And he rich yet we're not even Just wait till

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01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: February then I'll join you know. All right, y'all, let

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01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: me wrap this up. We'll be having Flo and uh

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01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: unpaid Bill and Sugar Steve Sugar stevens Okay, just thank

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01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: you for all the music think thank you all right?

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01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, thank you once again to our special guest

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01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: Stephanemils on Quest Love Supreme. We will see you on

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01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 1: the next greground. Have a great twenty twenty one people

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01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:24,639
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01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,599
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