1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous historians. We have a classic for you about a 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: place that neither of us have visited. A little place 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: called Guam, technically part of the US mm. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, about fifteen hundred miles to the east of 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: the Philippines in Micronesia. A tiny place with a tiny population, idyllic, 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: beautiful coastlines, but a particularly fraud and ridiculous history. 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. For the better part of four centuries. This was 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: a colonial possession of Spain. How did it become a 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: US territory? Well, everything changed in eighteen ninety eight, not 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: really on purpose. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: Unless you be concerned that this is going to be 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: a blood and guts kind of episode, you need not worry. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: This is the story of the bloodless and quick capture 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: of Guam. 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to the show, 16 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors, Thanks for dropping by. Join us on 17 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: a journey. We are based in Atlanta, Georgia, here in 18 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: the United States, but today our adventures take us to 19 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: the northwestern Pacific Ocean, to a place that was formerly 20 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: known as the territory of Guam. 21 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: Hi. 22 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm ben Hi, my name is no. 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: So we're going on a bit of a tropical vaca. 24 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Today we are and I have wanted to travel to 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: this area of the Pacific Ocean for such a very 26 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: very long time. Our longtime friend of the show and 27 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: co worker, Scott Benjamin is actually a very well traveled man. 28 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: He's hit this. No, he's been to Bora Bora. 29 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: I know, man, I didn't even think. I thought that 30 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: was like an imaginary land. And then you've come to 31 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: find out Scott Benjamin, or as I like to call him, 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 2: F Scott Benjamin, has been there. 33 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, f Scott Benjamin. So today we're going a 34 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: true tale that still feels as surreal as a story 35 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: by Kurt Vonnegut or something he does. 36 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: That's a really good connection, Ben because it's got all 37 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: of the pathos and set up for a grand you know, 38 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: battle of epic proportions, a naval battle, you know, at 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: sea with cannons and all that good stuff that goes 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: along with it. But there's a twist, and then the 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: twist is sort of a very Vonnegutian que. Yeah, and 42 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: that you know, not much happens. I don't think that's fair. 43 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: I don't mean to pin like to say nothing happens 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: in Vonnagut books. I just mean it subverts what's your 45 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: expectations a little bit. Let's say that. 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels in a very relieving way, somewhat anti climactic. 47 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: And we're of course not going on this journey alone, folks. 48 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: We're bringing along, in our opinion, one of the best 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: parts of this show, super producer Casey Pegrum. 50 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: May he be our spirit guide on this journey today, Yes. 51 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: And hopefully our navigator as well, because I don't remember 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: if we packed the GPS. 53 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: I am garbage with directions. 54 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: As you know, well, we already know where we're going, 55 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: and let's travel there through the magic of podcasting. But 56 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: first we have to get to Guam by way of Cuba, 57 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: because to paint the scene, we need to talk about 58 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: something called the Spanish American War. 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: The Spanish American War declared on April twenty fifth of 60 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight. You see, the US was doing a 61 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: lot of business with Cuba. 62 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: And Cuba wanted to become independent from Spain, which was 63 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: controlling it at the time. 64 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: It's very true, and there were rebels. There was an 65 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: uprising in Cuba and they wanted to separate themselves from 66 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: Spanish rule, and the US had some pretty significant interests 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: in helping them accomplish this because they were doing trade 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: upwards of one hundred million dollars a year with Cuba. 69 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: One of those goods, the primary good in this equation 70 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: being sugar. 71 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: And that's in eighteen ninety five terms. Yeah, so it's 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: a huge amount of money. Shall we inflation calculator it, 73 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: my friend? Yes, this is an appropriate enough amount of 74 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: money that we may want a drum roll casey one 75 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in eighteen ninety five is equivalent to 76 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: two point seven five billion dollars as of twenty seventeen. 77 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: That's like an economy of scale. It's massive. There's really 78 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: no there's really no way someone in the US could 79 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: argue against protecting this valuable trade. And the US public 80 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: was behind this as well. They were supporting American intervention 81 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: because people were checking out the newspapers of note at 82 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: the time, the yellow papers right of the like the 83 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: William Randolph Hurst era of the yellow journalism, where it 84 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: was kind of this alarmist or maybe not alarmist, but 85 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: more sensationalized coverage. 86 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, absolutely sensationalized by muck rakers. By people with 87 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: a strategic acts of grind. Spain was taking incredibly brutal 88 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: measures to repress the rebellion, and the US public learned 89 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: about this through graphic depictions in these newspapers, and this 90 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: caused American sympathy for the Cuban rebels to rise. As 91 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: we know, the best way to get a war going 92 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: is not to say it's in our economic interest, it's 93 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: to say we are doing a noble. 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: Thing humanitarian reasons. Have you heard of this guy, General Weyler, 95 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: the butcher. Lay it on me, this is nuts. I 96 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: did not know this was a thing. But this gentleman 97 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: was sent to deal with by Spain, to deal with 98 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: the Cuban rebels, and he actually rounded them up and 99 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: put them in concentration camps. They weren't, you know, gassed 100 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: like the Jews were during the Nazi regime, but they 101 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: were left in horribly unsanitary conditions to starve and just 102 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: wither away. And so you know that was happening, and 103 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: this was being reported, and so there was strong sentiment 104 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: for the humanitarian aid angle there. 105 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: And tensions are rising. Tensions are escalating at this point, 106 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: let's say around the early part of the year right. 107 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: The American public is largely behind or supportive of an intervention, 108 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: but there are people still on the fence, and that 109 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: all changes in less than a few days. 110 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, with the permission of the Spanish government, 111 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: President McKinley ordered a battleship, the USS Maine, to hang 112 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: out in the Havana Harbor to kind of safeguard American 113 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: interests during this time of upheaval in Cuba. And on 114 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: February fifteenth in the evening, an explosion sank that ship, 115 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: killing two hundred and sixty four sailors and two officers. 116 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: And this was a problem. This was bad what they 117 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: call bad optics, ben right. 118 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: So the means destruction did not immediately launch a war 119 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: with Spain, but it pretty much guaranteed that there would 120 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: not be an easy, peaceful resolution to this conflict. 121 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: It's like a Pearl Harbor kind of moment, you know. 122 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: I mean it's not quite as extreme, obviously, because there 123 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: was no direct proof, but it is that powder keg 124 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: moment where the public really sees, oh there's a threat here. 125 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: They got our guys, right, and those yellow journalists we 126 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: talked about really pushed that line, didn't They like saying, oh, 127 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: they blamed Spain, even though there wasn't any proof that 128 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: that was actually what happened, But it seems likely that 129 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: that's what happened. 130 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: It was one of the biggest political, if not the 131 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: biggest political issues of that year. Let's fast forward a 132 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: couple of months. Spain realizes that the water is slowly boiling, 133 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: the flames arising, and they attempt to quell things. They 134 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: announced an armistice on April ninth of that year, and 135 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: they speed up a program to grant Cuba limited autonomy, 136 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: limited powers of government. So this would mean that Cuba 137 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: is still a part of the larger Spanish Empire, but 138 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: they have some latitude and agency with local decisions. 139 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: And I'd read in a few places that there was 140 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: a sentiment that they weren't really that serious about doing 141 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: those things that they said that was all sort of 142 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: for show. 143 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: It's either disingenuous or it's too little, too late, because 144 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: very shortly afterwards, the US Congress issued resolutions declaring Cuba's 145 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: right to full independence, demanding the withdrawal of all of 146 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Spain's armed forces, and authorizing then President William McKinley to 147 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: use force to secure the withdrawal of the Spanish forces, 148 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: and at the same time to make sure that everyone 149 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: knows they're the good guys. I guess in this situation, 150 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: the US also says, we're not going to annex Cuba. 151 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: We want it to be its own thing. We're sticking 152 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: up for you. And you know, they gave the British 153 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: two finger salute to Spain. 154 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: This is Congress doing this right, Yeah, and I think 155 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: the President had requested sort of a lighter version of that, 156 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: and then Congress sort of doubled down and said, Nah, 157 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: we're going to really go, you know, ham on this. 158 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they went hard on the paint for sure. And Spain, 159 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: in a game of geopolitical double dare, said oh, you 160 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: know what you're gonna dare us to get out? Well, 161 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: double dare, we're declaring war on the US on April 162 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: twenty fourth, And on the twenty fifth the next day 163 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: the US said, oh, yeah, well you too, buddy. You 164 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: can't declare war on us, We're declaring war on you. 165 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: It's super confusing because the way it's written, the way 166 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: I've seen the chronology of this is that they had 167 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: to retroactively backdate it to April twenty first, which I 168 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: believe was when the US established a military blockade of 169 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Cuba to protect their interests more or less again, and 170 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: that's not like the official reason. Again they're going with 171 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: this humanitarian thing. Oh oh, the poor Cuban people. You know, 172 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: the Spanish are just mistreating them so badly, you know, 173 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: because America, you know, we're all about taking care of people, right, 174 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: and that's what we do. 175 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: And maybe we released the American leaders at the time, 176 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: maybe they really did believe that they were doing a noble, 177 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: altruistic thing. 178 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: I know, I'm being flipped, but it's just it's hard 179 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: to It's hard, man, it's hard to have that kind 180 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: of faith in the goodness of our leaders. 181 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: It would be somewhat anomalous. And it was not going 182 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: to be a fair fight because Spain was not prepared 183 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: in naval or military terms to have a war in 184 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: a foreign part of the planet with the US, who 185 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: is not you know, nothing to sneeze at militarily even 186 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: back then. 187 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: And I mean we're talking Spain in general, not to 188 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: mention our little whipper snapper buddies there in guam Ah. 189 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: Yes, So we've set this stage and the Spanish American 190 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: War quickly expands beyond the bounds of Cuba and the 191 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: surrounding waters. One of the huge theaters for the Spanish 192 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: American War was going to be the Pacific Ocean, specifically 193 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: the Philippines. The Philippines at the time were under Spanish 194 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: control and had been for hundreds of years. The US 195 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: again was going to clean up this massive injustice for 196 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: everyone one who can't see I can't see us in 197 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: the studios. I just did a hard arm shake. 198 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: Kind of an awe shucks. Yeah, you know, hey, there 199 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: we go, like you might have done at Opryland when 200 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: you were a boy. 201 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: Oh, man, you're never gonna let me live that, dad? 202 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: Why should I? Man, it's a delight. 203 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: But speaking of delights, when we consider the Pacific theater 204 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: at the time, or just when considered the geography of 205 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: the Pacific, we have to realize these folks did not 206 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: have very fast means of communication, and a lot of 207 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: these islands and archipelagos were so isolated that they could 208 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: learn about events and the rest of the world months after, 209 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: maybe even more than a year. And so this is 210 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: when we this is when we come to a captain, 211 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: a captain named Glass. 212 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: Captain Glass, which is a cool name, very cool name. 213 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: And and Noel, what is what does Captain Glass do 214 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: on his way to the Philippines. 215 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, Captain Glass actually received sealed orders and they went 216 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: a little bit like this, In fact, exactly like this, 217 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: dear sir. Actually they didn't say dear. They wouldn't have 218 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: been that polite in the military, just says sir, changes 219 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: the whole tone, didn't it. Upon receipt of this order, 220 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: which is forwarded by the steamship City of Peaking, which 221 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: was the name of the ship, to you at Honolulu 222 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: a place, you will proceed with the Charleston and the 223 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: City of Peaking in company to Manila, Philippine Islands on 224 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: your way. And here's the important part. You are hereby 225 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: directed to stop at the Spanish island of Guam. You 226 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: will use such force as may be necessary to capture 227 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: the Port of Guam, making prisoners of the governor and 228 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: other officials, and any armed force that may be there. 229 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: You will destroy any fortification on set island and any 230 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: Spanish naval vessels that may be there or in the 231 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: immediate vicinity. And then it goes on to say this 232 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: will probably only take you two days because they definitely 233 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: don't know who we're coming. 234 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's we cannot emphasize that enough, but we 235 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: will attempt to through repetition. They were definitely not prepared 236 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: on the island of Guam the Spanish governing structure. So 237 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: Guam had their first contact with the Spanish Empire when 238 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: a fellow named Ferdinand Magellan, the famous Portuguese explorer, landed 239 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: there on March sixth, fifteen twenty one. And in the 240 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: intervening centuries, Spain also controlled Guam right as well as 241 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, as well as the Philippines. But Guam was 242 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: on the edge of the Empire. For lack of a 243 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: better phrase, it wasn't and it still is not a 244 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: very large place geographically speaking, and it also wasn't at 245 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: the heart of a lot of conflict or a ton 246 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: of trade exactly. 247 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: And in fact, at the time, the Guam infantry consisted 248 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: of only fifty five soldiers and two, that's two lieutenants. 249 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: So Glass has these orders to capture Guam. He is 250 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: assured that it is going to be super easy because 251 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: they're so unprepared. Oh yeah, I mean they the way 252 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: the matter of fact nature of that order, the way 253 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: it's written it's just like this is gonna be cake. 254 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: It's it's on the same level tonally as hey, will 255 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: you pick up some milk? Un your way, oh way way? 256 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: Literally yes. And so the Charleston enters Agana Bay on 257 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: the twentieth of June, and they were prepared for a 258 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: cannonade from Fort Santiago, the Spanish fort there. And so 259 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: Captain Glass got further into the harbor and he began 260 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: bombarding Fort Santa Cruz, but received no response because you see, folks, 261 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: the fort had long been abandoned, right. 262 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: No one cared, no one, no one knew, no one 263 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: was looking except people were looking. And this is where 264 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: I kind of want to shift the perspective here to 265 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: I think our mutual favorite character in this story a 266 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Francisco Porto Sash. 267 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, or you could you could call him Frank if 268 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: you want to be familiar exactly. 269 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 270 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: He has We have an original source from a letter 271 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: that he writes recounting his experience. He was a naturalized 272 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: citizen in the US and on the morning of the 273 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: twenty second of June in eighteen ninety eight, his brother 274 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: Don Jose woke him up and said you gotta come 275 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: see this. 276 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: You gotta come check this out. And just a little backstory, 277 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, why was this guy on Guam? What was 278 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: he doing? It looks like he had had a career 279 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: as kind of like as a whaler. He seemed like 280 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: a real man about town, had done some interesting stuff 281 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: and like just wanted to see the world. But he 282 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: was from Chicago. 283 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a US citizen. He did have whaling background, 284 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: and Guam he was pretty influential because he ran a general. 285 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: Store, a general store, and he was apparently the only 286 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: American on the island, which probably earned him some street cred. 287 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: I guess he seems like he was beloved and had 288 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: support from the community. He wasn't like some kind of outcasts. 289 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: So in his letter the way he recounts it, he 290 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: had maybe heard of something about a conflict between Spain 291 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: and the US. In fact, his brother is the one 292 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: who hipped him to it. But his brother was a 293 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: little wishy washy about it too. His brother, also, by 294 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: the way, was just visiting from Europe. He had come 295 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: there by way of the Philippines and was just hanging out. 296 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: So I think it's probably pretty accurate when you see 297 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: this guy, Francisco being described as the only American naturalized 298 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: American citizen on the island who lived there. So his 299 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: brother says, come to the beach and see those ships 300 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: there and where they come from. And Frank, as I'm 301 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: gonna call him, started with him. Around daylight they went 302 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: to they went to the shore close enough to look 303 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: through a pair of glasses which probably binoculars, and he 304 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: recognized two of the steamships, China and Australia, and he 305 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what the other one was. But at this 306 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: point his brother said. 307 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: He said, do not say anything, as I think war 308 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: is declared between the United States and Spain. If so, 309 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: I will go on board and take with me the 310 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: Spanish officers and one of your boats, and you can 311 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: go on your whale boat afterwards. Because that's another thing 312 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: that's important about the story. Frank, you see had liqued 313 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: like a mini fleet of ships, and they call them lighters, Yeah, 314 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: which were these specialized boats that you would use to 315 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: transport goods to bigger. 316 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: Ships, right that couldn't get close enough to shore or 317 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe didn't have a port they could pull in. 318 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: Yes, So how do you think the brother knew the 319 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: war thing, though it seems like they were not hip 320 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: to this on them. Was he just kind of conjecturing. 321 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: Because he had traveled from Europe. 322 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: Ah, he didn't think to mention that earlier. 323 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's a laid back, laid back guy. They're 324 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: painting here. But as they arrive, they see the Charleston 325 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: begin to shell this fort, as we had mentioned, and 326 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: there's no response because as Frank and everybody else on 327 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: the island knows, that fort has been abandoned for years, 328 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: and they believe the ship the Man of War is 329 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: saluting the fort of Santa Cruz, and so on the 330 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: island side they say, okay, well, let's get somebody together, 331 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: let's get the artillery together, and we'll send a salute too. 332 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: And this sounds weird for a lot of people, the 333 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: idea of a salute. What is that? Why are you 334 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: are you just firing a gun to say hello to people? 335 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: I mean, there's the whole twenty one gun salute. It 336 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: always strikes me as queer. I mean, anytime people shoot 337 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: guns in a celebratory manner, that always is a little 338 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: strange to me. 339 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: Right, So we can give you a little bit of 340 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: background on what a salute actually is and why it exists. 341 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: This comes to us through the official blog of the 342 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: US Navy named Navy Live, and Tim comer Ford is 343 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: writing about the history of the salute in Salutations with 344 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: a Bang, the Military Salute. The idea here, according to him, 345 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: is that the origins of this practice run clear, but 346 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: we have some good estimates about this, and they date 347 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: back to some ancient warfare. It's intended to show deference 348 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: on the part of the person saluting to the person 349 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: being saluted. And it's also supposed to indicate that the 350 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: person or the people who are saluting are unarmed or 351 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: somehow defenseless, because in the old days of raising your 352 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: hand a salute, you were showing that you didn't have 353 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: a sword, didn't have like a. 354 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: But Ben, they're saluting with live ammunition. 355 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: They cann't. Yeah, yeah, how does this work? Great question. 356 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: The cannons, once you fire them in a salute, they 357 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: take a while to reload, and so the idea is 358 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: in a salute, the idea is they're shooting not to 359 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: not to hit anyone, yeah, but to say like okay, boom, 360 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: there you go. Now you know, we're not carrying loaded 361 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: cannons but this was clearly a mistake on the islander 362 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: side because they were trying to shell the fort. 363 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: I mean that would have interpreted it as a piss 364 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: poor salute. I'm like, come on, you're supposed to like 365 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: aim away from us or up in the air or something. 366 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: But no, they were definitely trying to shell that fort. 367 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: But that misunderstanding did happen, and so a sort of 368 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: envoy was gathered to row out to the ship the 369 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: man o war yeah this floating murder machine, uh huh 370 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: and say hello. 371 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah almost. I kept picturing, you know, the scenes 372 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: where they send a landing party in star Trek or something. Thing. 373 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: So Frank arrives, he gets on the ship and they 374 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: find out that he is an American citizen. 375 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: And how's he ended up going along? Like he's already 376 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: there watching and he has like because I know there 377 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: was some actual officials that went as well, because there 378 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: was the commander of the Guam Navy who is a 379 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: guy named Don Pedro Duerte, and he is the one 380 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: who said, oh, they're saluting us, we should go to 381 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: dang it. We don't have we're all we're fresh out 382 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: of gunpowder, so we better go you know, be polite. 383 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: Everybody, get your own guns if you have them, right, 384 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: and we'll try to organize this. Yeah, they were they 385 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: were trying to be cool. They thought they were showing 386 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: customary deference or the rules of engagement. And to paint 387 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: the picture here, imagine a really small town where not 388 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: a lot of big stuff happens. Everybody in town is 389 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: who has heard about this is coming out to check 390 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: out the scene. They want to see what happens. So 391 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: this is not like a situation where there would be 392 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: a group of battle hardened veterans preparing to die. 393 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: Oh I know. 394 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: This is someone saying like, oh, hey, Tim, did you 395 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: hear there are big ships out there, and the other 396 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: guy going, oh no, way, Like yeah, they said we 397 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: got to bring our guns to salute them. He's like, 398 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: oh yeah, all right. 399 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: Gotta say, though, this brother, this don Jose Porto sash 400 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: seems like a real piece of work. I mean, he is, 401 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, hasn't clued anyone in to the fact that 402 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: there may be war going on. I think he's trying 403 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: to play it like he's trying to, you know, save 404 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: his own butt, because he is the one who assembles 405 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: this group of officials, military officials, which so the party 406 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: that went out there to meet the boat were Frank, 407 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: his brother, Lieutenant commander of the Navy and captain of 408 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: the port, Don Francisco Gutierrez, a naval surgeon, Don Jose Romero, 409 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: Captain Pedro Duade and du Car who was part of 410 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: the Marine Corps, and also Don Jose Sixto, who is 411 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: the civil paymaster. And they all are kind of roped 412 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: into doing this by the brother who still doesn't clue 413 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: them into the fact that this could be a problem. 414 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: Well, he told his brother. He was like, Frank, be cool, 415 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: but I think there's a war going on. 416 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: So what does strike me? As he's looking out for 417 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: him and his brother's best interest and not the native people, 418 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: true of the land. 419 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: True important point. Here's where it becomes, for a moment 420 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: as casual as a sitcom. So Frank and the rest 421 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: of the party are there and then they get on 422 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: board to Charleston and he's selling across the bow in 423 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: his own boat, and then he hears someone yell at him, Frank. 424 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: Come on board, hey buddy, and he lay, yeah, get 425 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: to see you. 426 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: Eddie looks up and it's a guy named Captain Hellett, 427 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: who he knew a number of years before as a 428 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: whaling captain in. 429 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: His whaling days. And he's actually on a whaling ship 430 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: that was the one that he was flying the flag with. 431 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he he gets on board and he 432 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: recognizes somebody else. He sees a guy who used to 433 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: be a reporter for the Chronicle in San Francisco. The 434 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: guy walks up and he shakes his hands and he's like, man, 435 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see you here in Guam. And then 436 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: someone comes up and says, why are you flying that 437 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: American flag? 438 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: Dude? Frank clearly got around. Man, what are the chances? 439 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: This is very strange? 440 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really weird. 441 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this this tough customer walks up in his 442 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: officer's dress, military dress and says, what right have you 443 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: to fly this American flag from thou ship? Thy ship? 444 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: That's how they spoke. 445 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Any like grins Frank grins and you know, shrugs a 446 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: little and yeah, and says, well, I guess I have 447 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: the right to have that flag up, for if I 448 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: did not have the right, I would not have it there. 449 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: Oh snack whoa, okay, being smart with me? 450 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Boy, right, it's pretty much. Okay, I do what I want. 451 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: And the guy says, can you prove you're right? 452 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he sounds like a character from like Mad Max 453 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: Beyond Thunderdome. 454 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Right, And he says, yes, sir, and he pulls out 455 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: his naturalization papers as a citizen of the US, and 456 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: the guy looks them over and his tone completely changes. Yeah. 457 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: At that point, they're just buzzom buddies. He says, okay, Chicago, 458 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: you're from Chicago, Illinois, United States, eighteen eighty eight, twenty 459 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: second of October. This is his birthday, Cook County, State 460 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: of Illinois, is what he says. And at that point 461 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: he says, follow me, chum. 462 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go meet the captain. And so they go 463 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: to meet the captain, who is thrilled to meet Frank. 464 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: This captain Glass and the officer hands Glass Frank's papers 465 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: and then Glass looks him over and says, I'm glad 466 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: to meet you. And then he says, look, your brother 467 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: Joe told me that you had some lighters and some boats, 468 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: and could you let me have some of those just 469 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: to get some coal on the steamer. I'll, i'll, I'll 470 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: pay you. And this guy, Frank says, you know, what 471 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to pay me. I'm the only US 472 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: citizen on the island, and it's my duty to give 473 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: all aid i can because apparently we're in a war. 474 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: It's true, it's true, and you know, so that happens. 475 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: He gives him. He says he can use his boats. 476 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: Frank goes back to his family. They have a nice meal, 477 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: and at that point the letter is delivered to Frank's 478 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: home from the governor. A man by the name of 479 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: Juan Marina signed El Gobernador this letter, and it says, 480 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: translation is, if you offer any assistance to the American 481 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: men of war, you will be executed tomorrow morning at 482 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: the beach. And you know, Frank's like, yeah, right to 483 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: big words El Gobernador. 484 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: So he reads the note and he's pretty much giggling 485 00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: at it. 486 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: He's like, but his wife, you know, she thinks it's 487 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: a serious business. But Frank knows something that she does 488 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: not know. Right. 489 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: So he he said to his wife, who is beside 490 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: herself with fear and sorrow, he says, don't worry, cheer up. 491 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: If anything comes the worst, I'll have ships to take 492 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: care of you and the kids. And he shows the 493 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: note to his brother, and he said, look, I already 494 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: promised Captain Glass the lighters. I'm going to send him anyway. 495 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: And Jose said, hey, watch out man. So then he 496 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: went to the Charleston again. After lunch, he showed the 497 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: letter to Captain Glass, and Captain Glass. 498 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: Said, I got you, I got you. 499 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, look, I'm going to have the island 500 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: delivered before daylight. What they mean when they say island 501 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: delivered is it's going to officially become something under the 502 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: control of the United States. 503 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: Yep. And the way that all went down, Let's give 504 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: you the quick and dirty, he said, an envoy to 505 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: meet with the governor, the man who very sinisterly threatened 506 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: the life of our of our buddy Frank. So as promised, 507 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: Glass decides he's ready to set this in motion. So 508 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: the next day, June twenty first, he sends an envoy, 509 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Lieutenant William Brown Streither 510 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: Brown Browner, Browner's Ruther. 511 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: He also says that he's not sure if he's spelling 512 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: the neighbors. 513 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: In the letter. That's right, yeah, very true, And I'm 514 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: not sure I'm saying it right. But that's I'm gonna 515 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna commit to that, and they send a letter 516 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: by way of the governor's people to deliver to him saying, 517 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: come on the ship, come hang with us, let's chat 518 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: on our turf on the ship, to which the governor 519 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: very civilly, at least the language, and his response declines 520 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: because he says it is against Spanish law to board 521 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: a foreign vessel. 522 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: And at the same time, this is still the twenty 523 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: third of June. At the same time, Frank has probably 524 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: my favorite conversation in this story. He goes back on 525 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: board the Charles and he's talking to Captain Class and 526 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: Glass says, hey, Frank, you're the only US citizen on 527 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: the island. We got to go, so could you take 528 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: care of the island. 529 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're gonna have this stitched up real quick like, 530 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: because after the governor refused, he said, come hang with 531 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: me on the shore. Right, that's that's that's the best 532 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. So brownschreither, No, it's Browner, Browner's ryther, 533 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it like that. He goes with a 534 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: few buddies and he meets up with the governor and 535 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: he lets him know that hey, we've got a pretty 536 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: formidable gunship, you know, trained on your island, and we're 537 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: gonna give you thirty minutes to deliberate with your people, 538 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: and if you, you know, do not surrender, we're going 539 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: to shell you and take all you prisoner anyway, to which. 540 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: The governor replies, all right. 541 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: Give me a minute. 542 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Give me a minute. 543 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: He goes and confers, returns with a sealed envelope. Mm hmm. 544 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: And what's in the sealed envelope? 545 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: Well, the thing that's funny is he hands it to 546 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: Brown's Ruther. Browner's Ruther never gonna get it right. It's fine, 547 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: and it's addressed to glass. But our boy, mister B 548 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: opens it himself, to which the governor responds, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 549 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: That's not for you, man, that's not diplomacy. Slow your role, 550 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: to which mister B responds, I represent him here. Back off. 551 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so long story short, maybe a little too late, 552 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: but this far story short. The Spanish officials are taken 553 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: into custody and they go aboard the boat and they're 554 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: bound for the Philippines. 555 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all very civil too, because they're like, whoa, man, 556 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't have my toothbrush, I all got out of 557 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: the clothes on my back. And the Americans are like, yo, 558 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: it's cool. We'll let you write to your family. We'll 559 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: let them bring you a knapsack, you know, an overnight bag, 560 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: and you'll you'll be comfortable, you'll be taken care of 561 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: and and all we need you to do is get 562 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: all of your troops to line up and come aboard 563 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: our ship to be our prisoners. And you know what, 564 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: That's exactly how it went down. 565 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, not a not a violent death at. 566 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: All, nary a drop of blood was spilt, right. 567 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: Just an awkward salute that left both both sides of 568 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: the conflict feeling as lame as you know, someone who 569 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: had a high five that wasn't returned, if that's ever 570 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: happened to you, and you just hold your hand up. 571 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: But the story isn't over. It does get a little 572 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: bit fuzzy here because the Charleston and co. Set off 573 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: for the Philippines, and General Glass says, hey, Frank, you're 574 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: in charge because you're literally the only US citizen here yep, 575 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to which Frank says, tight. 576 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: I'll figure, yeah, make it work. 577 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: I'll make it happen. And the problem is that he 578 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: is not given any written appointment from Commander Glass, and 579 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: they're just meant to. 580 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: Be temporary, right, Like that's just sort of like in 581 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: the interim, it's like hold the spot while we fanned 582 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: things out. 583 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this makes him the first American governor of 584 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: the island. But there's another character here, and it's not 585 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: a it's not a cut and dried story. The man 586 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, jose six Stow, the paymaster. 587 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: Oh, the paymaster. It's always I knew there was a twist. 588 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the paymaster still has a lot of control and 589 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: he is with the former Spanish government. And now these 590 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: two men are in kind of an informal fight for 591 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: power and salemate. 592 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: I missed this part entirely. Go on. 593 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: Well, so after Glass leaves and after Frank becomes the governor, 594 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: six Stow refuses to surrender the island's treasury to Frank, 595 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: and there are no American sailors or marines. There's nothing 596 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: supporting his claim to power. 597 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: Why wasn't he arrested along with all the other officials. 598 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: I guess he's just a just a uh a nimble guy. 599 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he he just. 600 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Said, I'm going to keep paying any Spanish bureaucrats. I'm 601 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: going to pay members of the militia. And this consolidates 602 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: his influence over the island. Sounds and he was bad 603 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: with money. Because he bankrupts the treasury, law and order 604 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: starts to break down. Uh. The native residents of Guam 605 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: and Filipinos that are living on the island began fighting 606 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: their riots. And for his part, Frank is doing his 607 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: best because he says, look, we need to make some 608 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: improvements on the island, specifically this road that was just 609 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: in piss poor shape. And Sixto is like, wait, I 610 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: control the money and you shandn't have a pity? 611 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: Was he like the troll that guarded the bridge a 612 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 2: little less? Yeah? Yeah, yes, what this does? This sound 613 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 2: like a real a real ship show. 614 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: There we go, Hey, that's that's son of a fish. 615 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: Son of a fish in a ship show. We are 616 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: building this vocabulary pretty well. 617 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: And the mythology. But so let you know, things happen. 618 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: It gets it. It's obviously anytime you occupy a territory, 619 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: it's going to be a little rough for a little while. 620 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 2: But ultimately, after the war ended with the Treaty of Paris, 621 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 2: that was signed. Guam and the Philippines were purchased from 622 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 2: Spain for a relatively paltry twenty million dollars, and these 623 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: lands were finalized as US territories when the US Senate 624 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: ratified the treaty in eighteen ninety nine, February sixth, to 625 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: be precise. 626 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: So this goes, this goes pretty quickly, right. It seems 627 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: like from eighteen ninety five the Guam landing to the 628 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: Treaty of Paris, we're only looking at a few years. 629 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 1: But this had a massive effect on the US's geopolitical 630 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: position and a pretty nasty effect on Spain because Spain 631 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: began to focus inward, and the US emerged from this 632 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: war as a maybe not a superpower, but a legitimate 633 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: world power with possessions half a world away and a 634 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: new stake in international politics. 635 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 2: Like kind of like an empire or something. 636 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: He yes, exactly, kind of like an empire. But luckily 637 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: no one and Guam was injured in that takeover. 638 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: That is cool, because there is actually a conspiracy theory. 639 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 2: Let's just drop this here at the end, that in fact, 640 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: the US did not get involved in the Spanish American 641 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 2: War for these humanitarian reasons. We discussed earlier. Yeah, it 642 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 2: was reasons of pure greed and to extend their world 643 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: domination outward. And you know they ultimately succeeded in that, 644 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: at least in a couple of small ways. 645 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: Say it ain't so ah, you know it's a theory. Yes, 646 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: that is one of several theories. But you know what's 647 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: not a theory, the idea that we hope you enjoyed 648 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: this show. That's a clunky segue. 649 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: No, no, man, you got from A to B and 650 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 2: that's all it segue needs to accomplish. And here we 651 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: are at B being the end of the show. 652 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like we went circuitously through G 653 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: for guam. 654 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: Oh you are that's a fire, my friend. 655 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: So thank you, as always so much for checking out 656 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: today's episode. We want to think, of course, super producer 657 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: Kasey Pegram, who has not to our knowledge, ever invaded 658 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: a Pacific nation. 659 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: It's true. No, Casey is a peaceful man, and he's 660 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: got a peaceful plan. 661 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: Yes. And we'd also like to think, of course, Christopher Hasiotis, 662 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: Alex Williams yep, the Ridiculous History Crew yep. 663 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 2: And you everybody, friends, neighbors. 664 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: All of you countryman, you've already lent. 665 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 2: Them to us, and we for that we will be 666 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: forever grateful. 667 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: Yes, and if you would like to continue adventuring with 668 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: us throughout some of the strangest, silliest, and most ridiculous 669 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: stories in human history, then join us on Twitter, Instagram, 670 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: or Facebook. 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But man, you guys, 678 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us, and we hope you'll join us 679 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: for the next episode, wherein we talk about how Vermont 680 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 2: was in fact a pretty radical place back in the day. 681 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: I don't mean radical like in the skater parlance. I 682 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 2: mean radicals, and they had some pretty big ideas about 683 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: liberty and they in fact were their own independent republic. 684 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: Who knew? And this story doesn't end there. What the 685 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: heck are we talking about tune in and find out. 686 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 2: See ya. 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