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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about how you

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Speaker 2: can find yourself a new chunk of ground to hunt

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Speaker 2: and why that should always be a focus. It really

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Speaker 2: wasn't I don't know too long ago when the topic

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Speaker 2: of finding a new spot to hunt was prevalent in

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Speaker 2: outdoor media. You know, those were the cold call, knock

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Speaker 2: on doors days, which a lot of people think are

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Speaker 2: totally dead. Now it's, you know, generally about rounding up

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Speaker 2: enough scratch to buy your way into a spot, which

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Speaker 2: is just how things go. But there are ways to

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Speaker 2: go about this that can yield you a new white

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Speaker 2: tail spot that you might not have to pay for.

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Speaker 2: You just need to get a little creative, and that's

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Speaker 2: what this episode is all about. A couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: I made my yearly call to a landowner in southeastern Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: He sounded rough, and considering he was no spring chicken

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Speaker 2: quite a few years ago, I shouldn't have been surprised.

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Speaker 2: He's an old dairy farmer, you know. He was always

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Speaker 2: tough as nails, as a lot of dairy farmers are,

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Speaker 2: or at least were or when I was growing up.

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Speaker 2: But he informed me that he was on the tail

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Speaker 2: end of a round of chemotherapy, which wasn't his first

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Speaker 2: go with cancer or the treatment that brings people to

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Speaker 2: their knees. It was a sobering reminder that age waits

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Speaker 2: for no one, and the only constant in the universe

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Speaker 2: that we can really sus out is that there is

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Speaker 2: creation and decay. And as the old Tracy Lawrence song

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Speaker 2: goes time marches on, that farm will go to his son,

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Speaker 2: who has been positioned to take over the whole business

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Speaker 2: since I was in grade school with him, and who

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Speaker 2: not coincidentally changed the arc of my entire life by

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Speaker 2: casually letting me know during study hall in eighth grade

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Speaker 2: that I could hunt his farm if I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Now that wasn't just like a door opening for me.

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Speaker 2: It was like a paradigm shift. In my existence. And

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Speaker 2: I say that with the least amount of hyperbole I

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Speaker 2: can muster going from being a public land hunter to

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Speaker 2: having access to a couple hundred acres of private ground

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Speaker 2: not ten minutes from my parents' house was like going

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Speaker 2: from a hand me down skateboard to a fresh off

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Speaker 2: the lot Mercedes S Class as you're bumming around vehicle.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many hours I spent on that farm,

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Speaker 2: hunting and scouting and just getting into nature and away

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Speaker 2: from people, but it would be definitely in the thousands,

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Speaker 2: for sure. So in other words, that permission has been

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest gifts of my entire life. And

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Speaker 2: I can assure you that you'd be listening to someone

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Speaker 2: else right now if I hadn't had that just land

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Speaker 2: in my lap when I was fourteen and had no

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Speaker 2: clue what the scope of that permission would really be.

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Speaker 2: Now you might think, well, if I could go back

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Speaker 2: in time to the mid nineties and luck into a

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Speaker 2: great opportunity, I would, But I can't, so what now?

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Speaker 2: And you know what, that's totally fair. You can't. But

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Speaker 2: the good old days of getting hands shake permission aren't

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago, although it was long enough

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Speaker 2: now where I probably don't need to keep saying that.

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Speaker 2: Where you could pull into a farmyard and introduce yourself

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Speaker 2: person who doesn't leave gates open and who will always

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Speaker 2: eating deer, and the landowner might just say, all right, now.

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Speaker 2: There would always be qualifiers, of course, because when you

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Speaker 2: break every interaction down where you want something from someone,

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Speaker 2: it's generally just a negotiation. Maybe you were going to get,

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Speaker 2: you know, bow hunting specific permission because the landowner's family

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Speaker 2: and some close friends gun hunt every year on it.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, don't push it. Maybe this is really common.

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Speaker 2: There is already somebody else out there hunting and he

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Speaker 2: to stay out of there during a certain timeframe. I've

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Speaker 2: I'd take hunting permission with many qualifiers over no hunting

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Speaker 2: permission almost every time. In fact, I recently took my

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Speaker 2: And even though it's only twenty five acres and I

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Speaker 2: can't run trail cameras there and the landowner sits, my

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Speaker 2: call every time I plan to go out there, it's

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Speaker 2: still one hundred percent worth it. I managed to arrow

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Speaker 2: I gave to him since he wanted venison. And I

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Speaker 2: also managed to arrow an eight pointer there during the rut,

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Speaker 2: which I gave to me because I wanted venison. And overall,

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Speaker 2: having that place to hunt has been pretty much a

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Speaker 2: net benefit to my daughters and myself, And they are

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Speaker 2: the reason I'm hunting there at all, because his daughter

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Speaker 2: and my daughters are friends, and that led us to

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Speaker 2: meeting each other, and you know the usual small talk

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Speaker 2: that led to hunting, which led to the invite. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't your classic go knock on a door situation, but

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Speaker 2: it ended up with me expanding my hunting options by

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Speaker 2: twenty five acres. Now, I know that might not sound

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Speaker 2: on where you live, but where I live, that is

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Speaker 2: a huge score. I've also been taking my girls to

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Speaker 2: another property here near my house that has treated me

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Speaker 2: very well turkey wise, since I got permission to hunt

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Speaker 2: it about seven years ago. And again, that started with

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Speaker 2: me just being a turkey guide for the landowner. Then

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Speaker 2: he softened up just a little bit and he let

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Speaker 2: me take my daughters out. Then he softened up more

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Speaker 2: and let me turkey hunt. I've guided his friends and

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Speaker 2: many times. Quite a few kids have killed their first

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Speaker 2: turkey on that farm because of his generosity, and quite

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Speaker 2: a few adults too. Now, it was four hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty five acres not very long ago, and it is

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Speaker 2: now eighty, which is definitely not a move in the

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Speaker 2: right direction, But eighty is better than forty and a

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Speaker 2: lot better than zero. The deer hunting permission on that

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Speaker 2: farm has been dozed mostly, but he did take pity

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Speaker 2: There are hoops to jump through, for sure, but it's

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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot better than not hunting. And

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Speaker 2: that permission came from a conversation I had with the landowner,

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Speaker 2: who I didn't know was the landowner at the time.

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Speaker 2: And while it wasn't immediate, yes, it was the jumping

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Speaker 2: hunting that has been really nice to have. So how

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Speaker 2: do you find that kind of permission? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know you or whether you were socialized enough

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Speaker 2: life that have nothing to do with hunting. Now, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say you should go to the DMV to get

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Speaker 2: your license renewed and ask the lady behind the plexiglass

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Speaker 2: if she happens to own a need good deer ground.

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Speaker 2: But one thing that I do, which kills me a

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Speaker 2: little but also comes kind of natural, is just try

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Speaker 2: to talk to a whole bunch of people. I once

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Speaker 2: that doesn't happen every day, of course, and it all

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Speaker 2: went south when I realized that I'd be sharing the

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Speaker 2: laws applied to him. But the point stands that the

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Speaker 2: permission came from a conversation with a stranger that turned

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Speaker 2: to the topic of bear hunting, of all things. I

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Speaker 2: kind of look at those interactions like long shots that

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Speaker 2: generally won't net me sweet places to hunt. But then

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Speaker 2: there are the people in your life who are just

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Speaker 2: you know, the basketball parents that we know, you know

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Speaker 2: whose daughters play with my daughters. They're like the next

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Speaker 2: to hit yourself in the face of the brick, maybe

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Speaker 2: a better option is to think about the folks who

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Speaker 2: you and the other dads who are in a similar

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Speaker 2: people who I talk to in that level of interaction,

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Speaker 2: you know they're a lost cause too, But you never know.

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Speaker 2: Round here anyway, a lot of them already hunt and

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Speaker 2: have their own spots locked up, but you never know

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Speaker 2: when you're going to find someone who has some acreage

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't mind an ethical bow hunter thing out the

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Speaker 2: local herd, or maybe they wouldn't mind you taking your

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Speaker 2: want to learn how to hunt and you could fill

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Speaker 2: that role. There are a lot of ways to skin

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Speaker 2: they're just like, yep, here are the property lines, now

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Speaker 2: I said before, that's okay. That's how the game goes

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Speaker 2: for access, which is another route you can take. Pay

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Speaker 2: to play is extremely prevalent out there, as I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you're well aware. But while we look at that as

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of a transactional reality, it's off not

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Speaker 2: most of the folks who lease their land don't really

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Speaker 2: need your money. They do it because they can make

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Speaker 2: extra money, set specific rules about land usage, and then

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Speaker 2: hopefully not deal with a bunch of bullshit. You can

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Speaker 2: use services like base camp leasing to find properties, which

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Speaker 2: isn't a bad route at all, or you can tap

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Speaker 2: your network. Now I know this varies a lot from

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Speaker 2: Texas to Florida, to the Upper Midwest and out east. Primarily,

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Speaker 2: you know, involves the culture of leasing in your local region,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of leasing opportunities come up through someone

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Speaker 2: being unhappy with their current land use situation. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people, a lot of hunters, don't like to follow

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Speaker 2: paying for access on someone's ground. That can lead to

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Speaker 2: predictable results, And if you have conversations with people enough,

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Speaker 2: you might find someone who leases their ground and is

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Speaker 2: put you at the front of the line for the

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Speaker 2: phone call when that leases up. That's a good place

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Speaker 2: work with, you know, there you go. It's also almost

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Speaker 2: this really mean. Well, you won't get permit, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I'm going to talk about human behavior and how

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Speaker 2: on public or any pressure ground. That's it for this week.

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