Speaker 1: Look maher oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yess wow, let's cult. Ding
Speaker 1: donges is calling you really dug into those syllables. My friend,
Speaker 1: Today isn't ding dong. Today is ding dong like today
Speaker 1: is let's go. You gotta give the ding and the
Speaker 1: dong a little sound extra today for the culture. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you say so, because you point of transparency for
Speaker 1: the listeners for our pekf's. I asked Matt if he
Speaker 1: wants to do the year this year. I know we've
Speaker 1: been a little bit behind trust and believe the segment
Speaker 1: is not done. We've got many more years to go.
Speaker 1: But Matt said, I don't think we can today because
Speaker 1: and he flashed his phone screen in front of me
Speaker 1: on the zoom. He said, we've got a lot to cover,
Speaker 1: And I said, you're right, we have so much.
Speaker 2: To talk about and not for nothing, but all of
Speaker 2: these things could all have their own episodes. So I
Speaker 2: just feel as though it's a little crowd of this
Speaker 2: week to then. Can you imagine like Oscar Week, like
Speaker 2: the big pop curly album that's out, like Doune two
Speaker 2: is out, like the Royal Family is finally maybe in
Speaker 2: complete shambles like I saw Madonna.
Speaker 1: All it took was photoshop to kill the royal family.
Speaker 2: We will get into it, but what I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: I feel like, can you imagine if we just didn't
Speaker 2: talk about all this and we're like, so, what happened
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, Like that doesn't sense to me?
Speaker 1: I know. No, there's stuff happening in twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: that we really need to address.
Speaker 2: And that's actually really culture number nine. There's stuff happening.
Speaker 1: In twenty four that we really need to do address.
Speaker 2: I want to start by saying, and maybe this will
Speaker 2: make us segue into one of those topics.
Speaker 1: But Bowen, you crushed this last week. You were so good.
Speaker 1: Nice If you didn't watch SNL yet Bowen and Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande did Who's the musical Guest? She did an amazing job.
Speaker 1: They did Mulan Rouge sketch, which could not have been
Speaker 1: easy to do, and I know you, my girl, like
Speaker 1: you put your foot in that one. Aha. The hardest
Speaker 1: thing about it was just selling it as an idea
Speaker 1: because God loved this man and the producers. But Lauren
Speaker 1: and me, the top brass at SNL, have this note
Speaker 1: with everything where they're like why now, yeah and thankfully
Speaker 1: and it was Lauren's idea. I was like tied into
Speaker 1: the Oscars. The Oscars are this weekend. We're like, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: And then I looked it up. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Mula Rouge the first musical nominated for Best Picture since
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast, So like there was a long
Speaker 1: stretch of time. I guess that's what I'm doing, the
Speaker 1: math beating the This was eighty nine or ninety that
Speaker 1: was like ninety one, ninety one, ninety two or something
Speaker 1: like that. That's a full decade. Yeah, But now, of
Speaker 1: course Best Picture and ever since the extension to ten films,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into the Oscars later, but now it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: movie musicals are I guess kind of commonplace in that category.
Speaker 2: When Mulan Rouge came out, I remember that was like
Speaker 2: it feels like one of a million times that you've
Speaker 2: heard like the musical is back, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, like you'll hear the musicals out again, and then.
Speaker 1: It will come back.
Speaker 2: Like really, what I think happens is when a movie
Speaker 2: is good, then that genre is back. If you can
Speaker 2: believe that people are sort of hyperbolic about the way
Speaker 2: they talk about these things, especially as it relates to
Speaker 2: the film industry, like that is what happens. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Mulan rouge. The thing that's so great about it and
Speaker 2: the why now doesn't even really matter because it's so
Speaker 2: iconic that like when you see her in that wig
Speaker 2: and that seteene wig, and like you using that voice
Speaker 2: and like them doing this song, even that set, like
Speaker 2: the set.
Speaker 1: We got to give it up to the folks at
Speaker 1: SNL Production Design. They really lea Yoshimura legend was like,
Speaker 1: we can't do it, and I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: whatever you guys come up with will be fine. And
Speaker 1: I love these people, but of course they have to
Speaker 1: pull off the impossible every week. Yeah, and they made
Speaker 1: it look incredible And that little like palanquin thing on
Speaker 1: top of the elephant took so much space on the
Speaker 1: floor that we could not bring our guests to We
Speaker 1: Can't Be Friends for the first musical performance because there
Speaker 1: was just no room. And I was like, oh, damn, well,
Speaker 1: I feel bad about that. I feel bad that the
Speaker 1: guests that SNL cannot the guests of cast could not
Speaker 1: go to the floor and watch that song. First of all,
Speaker 1: guests of cast will be just fine.
Speaker 2: And I think what happens there is they watch it
Speaker 2: from the back and they see her other performance and
Speaker 2: they're totally fine. What was important is that you guys
Speaker 2: were literally given the actual physical space and emotional space
Speaker 2: to deliver that sketch. It was really funny, Like you
Speaker 2: guys should definitely check it out. And I really liked
Speaker 2: the other sketch too, which was the people pleaser.
Speaker 1: As anonymous, I thought that was really funny. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, Alison Gates. Overall, what an amazing episode. Josh Brolan,
Speaker 1: what a gem. He's really good, really good, really consummate professional, great,
Speaker 1: perfect example of a host. Yeah, lovely, lovely man, to
Speaker 1: say nothing of Miss Scarlett Johansson. Oh my goodness, crushing
Speaker 1: Katie Britt.
Speaker 2: I really I hope this doesn't become a Tina Face
Speaker 2: Sarah Palin thing, because that means that Katie Britt will
Speaker 2: have become part of the culture and I really don't
Speaker 2: want that. But I said, I haven't seen Scarlett Johansson
Speaker 2: tear up comedy like this since.
Speaker 1: Don John, which I haven't seen. You haven't seen Don
Speaker 1: John on my face, Oh my god, Like that's such
Speaker 1: a good one. Jose Levin Joseph Gordon Levit, who I
Speaker 1: believe also wrote and directed it, and Scarlett Johansson play
Speaker 1: is just like that Long Island Staten Island girl, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just like it's and
Speaker 1: she's having a lot of fun with it, and she's
Speaker 1: like so like hot that it's so funny, and it's
Speaker 1: just a really good one. Good at that, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like who could forget Look at this one, Look look
Speaker 1: at that one, Look at this one. You gotta buy
Speaker 1: a chandeliah.
Speaker 2: We were joking, we were joking the other day, like
Speaker 2: someone was saying, like, oh, Scarlett Johnson is Katie Britt,
Speaker 2: Like that's her best comedy performance of her entire career.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, well it's up there with like
Speaker 2: you look, get this one, get that one the chandeliers.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh not everyone knows that sketch.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 2: But also she did another SNL sketch, God god god
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: I think it was with Keenan where she was the
Speaker 1: funeral singers. That's so good.
Speaker 2: And then she also did a really good deep house
Speaker 2: dish back in the deep House dishes of course my
Speaker 2: favorite sketch.
Speaker 1: Of all times by the time James Anderson Series of
Speaker 1: sketches James Anderson. But she did a song called co Check.
Speaker 1: This Jacket's expensive, Oh so good, So I do love it.
Speaker 1: What a gem. Well that was really really great. And
Speaker 1: you know, just to talk about her performances that you
Speaker 1: must have been able to see them live a bunch
Speaker 1: ari stuff. Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw her soundcheck.
Speaker 1: Just those songs are really really, really good. The whole
Speaker 1: album should be what do you want to start off
Speaker 1: with the album? Let's talk about the album. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the album. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have to say, like I am so obsessed with
Speaker 2: this and like I can't remember a time when I
Speaker 2: was so into an album immediately. But actually it dropped
Speaker 2: at so nine pm in LA because we were on
Speaker 2: the way to see Madonna and so so I made
Speaker 2: like a last minute decision to go see Madonna, like
Speaker 2: because I love the Night of I guess people sell
Speaker 2: their tickets on ticket Masters, so the price is kind
Speaker 2: of dip. But I was like, you know what, what,
Speaker 2: am I crazy? Like I'm not gonna go see Madonna?
Speaker 2: Like of course I'm gonna go and so we'll get
Speaker 2: to that later. But on the way there, on the
Speaker 2: way that we listened to the whole album, like I
Speaker 2: think it was like all the way through and then
Speaker 2: we started it over again.
Speaker 1: I am as someone.
Speaker 2: Who's like culture, and like that made me say, cultures
Speaker 2: for me is very much like that late nineties Mariah,
Speaker 2: you know, like this is very much my shit. Like
Speaker 2: it's like, tell me that something is more for me
Speaker 2: than these R and B vocals over these like sexy
Speaker 2: little hooks, this vocal stocking, all these harmonies, just like
Speaker 2: avalanche of harmonies. She does her vocal production. She really
Speaker 2: shows the girls how it's done with these like singer
Speaker 2: songwriter lyrics, like with like dance influences, and like I
Speaker 2: just feel I feel, I.
Speaker 1: Just feel I feel I feel, and so does she.
Speaker 1: I feel that. I think I have my favorite Ari
Speaker 1: pre chorus hook of all time, which is something about
Speaker 1: Mames Mady like me maybeke him mom. It's so like
Speaker 1: she's a siren, that girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of vocals, obviously, there's no one in
Speaker 2: her like peer group that really is capable of what
Speaker 2: she can do. And I don't even mean just like
Speaker 2: singing down like all over the place. What I mean
Speaker 2: is like she and I don't know if it's because
Speaker 2: of Wicked or just because of like a way that
Speaker 2: she's trured or a way that she feels she needs
Speaker 2: to serve this particular album. But the storytelling is better
Speaker 2: than it's ever been, and I wonder like and not
Speaker 2: to do that thing of.
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't enunciate back in the day, but like
Speaker 1: you know, she was loose with the way that she
Speaker 1: would like phrase you know what I mean, like and
Speaker 1: she would give it a lot of stylization, whereas this
Speaker 1: is just like very direct. She's in like this different
Speaker 1: register than she is oftentimes like so that you really
Speaker 1: feel like there's something else that's important to her here,
Speaker 1: which is like telling this story of this these relationships,
Speaker 1: you know, and how they interact with each other in
Speaker 1: this concept of the Eternal Sunshine thing, because it really
Speaker 1: is lightly like a concept album. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: of it as like not necessarily biographical or autobiographical. I
Speaker 1: don't think it is. Yeah, Like I think the big
Speaker 1: tell is her use of the word like got to
Speaker 1: get out of this situation that it's like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is kind of there are liberties being taken with like
Speaker 1: real life experiences, and that's all I'll say. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is this thing of what I love
Speaker 1: that I think she hasn't done in her albums is
Speaker 1: like poses a question at the beginning, answers it by
Speaker 1: the end, love it perfect circle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she's spoken in interviews about the
Speaker 2: fact that like it is not autobiographical necessarily, it is
Speaker 2: based on certain things that she's gone through. But this
Speaker 2: isn't one thing I want to say about sort of
Speaker 2: the macro thing, right, like the Ariana grande of it
Speaker 2: all in terms of the past you know, year or so,
Speaker 2: in terms of the media narrative and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and how that gets filtered into the work. And I
Speaker 2: feel comfortable like bringing it up now because she's now
Speaker 2: made art about it. And I want to say just
Speaker 2: a couple things. Let me just first say that if
Speaker 2: people are going to be like, oh, they're just being
Speaker 2: sickophantic because bow And is friends with her, I just
Speaker 2: I would hope that people would think more of us
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 1: And also like, if.
Speaker 2: Like you've listened to this podcast and you think that
Speaker 2: we're getting on here and like doing our jobs badly
Speaker 2: because we can't be subjective about this stuff.
Speaker 1: You guys, we just wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Bring it up at all. Like if we didn't like
Speaker 2: the album and we didn't want to like hurt her feelings,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't bring it up at all. Like, first of all,
Speaker 2: do your research on it. I'll speak for myself, like
Speaker 2: this is so my shit like that, like, don't tell
Speaker 2: me I don't like this.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite fucking album of the moment.
Speaker 2: And I actually was listening to it last night again
Speaker 2: and being like I doubt that something even touches this,
Speaker 2: but just like I'm not lying to you on this podcast,
Speaker 2: I think that this album is like really special and specific,
Speaker 2: and yeah, sure I think it can relate to what
Speaker 2: she's gone through, but also there's obvious things about this
Speaker 2: and she's talked about this and spoken to this that
Speaker 2: it's like an extrapolation.
Speaker 1: On these kinds of things.
Speaker 2: And this album will remain special to me because I
Speaker 2: feel like it really accurately depicts that thing of when
Speaker 2: one relationship is ending and you can see in the
Speaker 2: forming of something else why it needs to end. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it feels like you have to sort through your like guilt, accountability,
Speaker 2: you'll regrets about a certain thing in order to move through,
Speaker 2: and that's a really tough process. And I feel like
Speaker 2: all of those emotions are in this album, and so
Speaker 2: I commend her in the face of what probably had
Speaker 2: to feel like a lot of pressure. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: for some people it will never be enough. But what
Speaker 2: I love about this album is it's not like flexing
Speaker 2: on anybody. It's like very I think it's really complex
Speaker 2: and all the emotions that go with a relationship ending
Speaker 2: a new one, starting being self conscious about the way
Speaker 2: that it started, feeling guilty, feeling excited, feeling horny for
Speaker 2: something that's new, It's all there in a way that
Speaker 2: like I am really connecting too as someone who's been
Speaker 2: in difficult relationships and emotional situations in the past, Like
Speaker 2: I'm feeling that there's a lot of truth and authenticity
Speaker 2: in this.
Speaker 1: Yes, truth and authenticity in conjunction with like a sensitivity.
Speaker 1: I think I can say that not an autobiographical as
Speaker 1: an album, but she was very, very very purposeful about
Speaker 1: the way people would be portrayed in this and the
Speaker 1: way she would portray herself in this, and how it's
Speaker 1: not a totally like my hands were clean. It's not
Speaker 1: like she could have absolutely put out an album that
Speaker 1: was like I'm going to preserve and protect things about
Speaker 1: my own image or rest the narrative from someone or
Speaker 1: the media or people in these situations. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think we can't be friends is not necessarily a lot.
Speaker 1: It's about her portrayal, the way the media relates to her.
Speaker 2: I've always felt that. Yeah, and I almost feel like
Speaker 2: it's about her fans too, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Know that you made me. I'm watching the lyrics. I'm
Speaker 1: still here hanging love that wait until you love me,
Speaker 1: Like we can't be friends, but I like to pretend.
Speaker 1: I like to just pretend, like clean your papers and pens.
Speaker 1: I'll wait for your love again. Like She's like, we're
Speaker 1: in a tough spot right now, and I get it,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think you would understand me, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all these things that are incredibly fragile
Speaker 1: and I think very nuanced and there is I'm just
Speaker 1: sticking this is the only thing that I'm going to
Speaker 1: acknowledge about the situation, which is that like there is
Speaker 1: such a unqueer, puritanical Christian way we are approaching marriage
Speaker 1: in the discourse very like trad wife. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is interesting, Like everyone's being very like this sanctity of marriage.
Speaker 1: Of course it is so much more complicated than that.
Speaker 1: But at the heart of these conversations that we've had
Speaker 1: in like infidelity discourse with everybody, because I will also
Speaker 1: just say, like the thing and we can't be friends,
Speaker 1: is like the narrative is wrong. The narrative is wrong.
Speaker 1: And she's not even outwardly saying that, but the narrative
Speaker 1: has been incorrect, and people have even retracted things in
Speaker 1: these stories with no fucking apology to the people who
Speaker 1: are involved. Yeah, yep, I can tell you for a
Speaker 1: fact that what people out there seem to be clinging
Speaker 1: onto correct is incorrect. Yeah. I mean that's I guess.
Speaker 2: Another thing of it is it's not that people sound
Speaker 2: silly or sound dumb. It's just watching something in action
Speaker 2: when the truth is something else that has to be
Speaker 2: incredibly frustrating for everyone. In terms of like people attacking
Speaker 2: like the sanctity of marriage or whatever. I think that
Speaker 2: people's point is that it's more than that, because there
Speaker 2: was a young physic or young family, et cetera, all
Speaker 2: these things. But I think that and I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: speak in terms of my personal experience here, and I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna share this. Sometimes I think it feels like
Speaker 2: when you have a sort of cosmic thing happen where
Speaker 2: you fall in love in such an intense way, and
Speaker 2: it almost feels like the right thing to do is
Speaker 2: to move forward with that for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Like if you have
Speaker 1: a situation where it feels absolute in terms of the
Speaker 1: actionable thing, it is so consuming in a way that
Speaker 1: like can be destructive, but it cannot feel that way
Speaker 1: from within that closed system of like two people. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like it makes it cliche for like the man
Speaker 1: to like fuck the secretary, which is not what's happening here,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's why this thing persists in like humanity,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we love a gray area, and
Speaker 2: we love like an anti hero, and we love like
Speaker 2: something that's complicated and emotional and fraud as long as
Speaker 2: it's not real. I think we want to root for
Speaker 2: Olivia Pope to fuck that president for the rest of
Speaker 2: our life, you know what I mean, Like we root
Speaker 2: for true love like we've and in other senses, like
Speaker 2: you know, fucking like we want complexity. It feels like
Speaker 2: everywhere else except what's real, because then when something is
Speaker 2: real and we can make it about us, we can
Speaker 2: become the complex figure. But the fact is like everyone's
Speaker 2: a human being and like goes through things, and sometimes
Speaker 2: this shit is more complicated than you would think, especially
Speaker 2: for someone who has been through like specific relationship trauma,
Speaker 2: specific emotional trauma as it relates to the past, the
Speaker 2: way that she's been treated, the way that she has
Speaker 2: seen her relationships start and end. That is something that's
Speaker 2: like it's difficult when you are public because it looks
Speaker 2: it almost looks like a sort of like thing you
Speaker 2: can't possibly take seriously. But the fact is, like it
Speaker 2: is not our life. You have to imagine that people
Speaker 2: are not doing things with destructive impulses. You can't imagine
Speaker 2: that anyone meets and are like, wow, you know what
Speaker 2: we're about to do ruin lives, Like we're about to
Speaker 2: be emblematic for something bad. No, no one goes out
Speaker 2: in their life and does that. What people do is
Speaker 2: that they go out in their life and they engage
Speaker 2: with other people, and they engage with their emotions, and
Speaker 2: sometimes things happen and I feel like we are allowing
Speaker 2: a complexity in fictional people, but not real people. And
Speaker 2: I think it's really crazy what happens in the discourse.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying you have to like the album. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying you have to agree with me or agree with Bowen.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is like we should probably allow
Speaker 2: for the possibility that not everything is exactly what it seems,
Speaker 2: because it feels like when we engage with entertainment that
Speaker 2: would suggest that we're all in and we can understand it.
Speaker 2: But then when it's a headline about someone that we
Speaker 2: can be ready made to criticize and hate and project on,
Speaker 2: we lose all ability to see shades of gray in
Speaker 2: any situation.
Speaker 1: And that is what's happening here, full stop.
Speaker 2: What's great great about it is we have this excellent
Speaker 2: art and that we can have a discourse about.
Speaker 1: Sure, she could have very easily made this a reputation album,
Speaker 1: an album that was like, fuck you, I've been completely misunderstood.
Speaker 1: I will emerge from this victorious, if not like completely
Speaker 1: alienated from a whole kind of narrative that's been created
Speaker 1: out of my control. But I think instead it's this
Speaker 1: very fragile, delicate work, and I think it's her most
Speaker 1: sonically cohesive album. I think it has just such a
Speaker 1: specific vocabulary, Like I really think she like came out
Speaker 1: of positions and was, like I put out my Vibes album,
Speaker 1: let me go back to like the root of this
Speaker 1: thing for me, which is like I was singing Mariah
Speaker 1: since I could talk, you know, like, let me go
Speaker 1: back to that. And I really feel comfortable talking about this,
Speaker 1: and anyone who's rolling their eyes at what I'm about
Speaker 1: to say can really go fuck off. I have understood
Speaker 1: in recent months that like a media narrative can be
Speaker 1: completely consuming and devastating and like frustrate you to know,
Speaker 1: and because of how wrong it is. Yeah, and having
Speaker 1: your name be put in sentences along with other names
Speaker 1: as a way of like canceling anything you do out
Speaker 1: of like invalidating what you do, like pushing absolute falsehoods.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it is a really fucking disorienting thing to experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that. And I'm sure people who
Speaker 1: listen to this have experienced this on different levels, scales
Speaker 1: bigger than mine, smaller than mine. It doesn't matter. But
Speaker 1: you must understand that there's something universal about this thing
Speaker 1: of like, oh no, you don't. You've completely misinterpreted, not
Speaker 1: even misinterpreted, just like mistaken on a literal level, like
Speaker 1: what has happened to me? What I have done, what
Speaker 1: I have not done? And you can be completely vindictive
Speaker 1: about that, or you can make the choice to just
Speaker 1: move forward and make something out of it if you want,
Speaker 1: cope with it, process it. This girl knows how to
Speaker 1: process shit through her work. Like we've known that to
Speaker 1: be true since years and years and years ago. Like
Speaker 1: let her cook, as we say, now you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, leave it alone? Yeah, just leave it alone.
Speaker 2: That's all I mean for me too, Like it's just
Speaker 2: what's been created out of whatever she's gone through, like
Speaker 2: in her old relationship, whatever she's experienced entering a new one.
Speaker 2: Is this really cohesive story that I think that is
Speaker 2: eternal sunshine, which is starting with am I in there?
Speaker 1: Like right relationship? I don't know?
Speaker 2: I actually am positive I'm not and for me that's
Speaker 2: by but obviously I slip up and there's I don't
Speaker 2: want to break up again, Like I'm still going back
Speaker 2: and forth. I just remember when my last relationship ended.
Speaker 2: There were so many times where I thought I was done,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There were so many times
Speaker 2: where I thought like that, I was like on my
Speaker 2: boy by shit, you know what I mean. But then
Speaker 2: you slip back and you realize, like what am I
Speaker 2: doing to hurt someone?
Speaker 1: How have I been hurt? Like?
Speaker 2: Do I not like this person anymore? My favorite element
Speaker 2: of the whole album, like my favorite section is we
Speaker 2: Can't Be Friends into I Wish I Hated You like
Speaker 2: I had to talk about it in therapy, like the
Speaker 2: we Can't Be Friends music video, which really is the
Speaker 2: story of the whole album.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I tried to cry when I first saw it, and
Speaker 2: then I cried about it in therapy talking about it,
Speaker 2: and then I cried about thinking about therapy later, like
Speaker 2: I was. It was pisce seasoned down, like and this
Speaker 2: album is coming at a really fraud astrological time. But
Speaker 2: I have to say, like I Wish I hated you
Speaker 2: like that is really ultimately at the end, the fact
Speaker 2: that that's really the last song that's about the old
Speaker 2: relationship before she ends it like in a state of
Speaker 2: peace about the fact that like she's going to try
Speaker 2: to step forward like and really like actualize this.
Speaker 1: Thing that she deeply believes is the love of her life.
Speaker 1: Like the last thing that she says is there's no
Speaker 1: way I can justify anything other than what I will
Speaker 1: always have for you, which is just love. Like I
Speaker 1: got into this relationship with you. Oops.
Speaker 2: Oh, I got into this relationship with you because I
Speaker 2: love you. And then that's actually never gonna go away,
Speaker 2: Like even if something, even if shit really goes down,
Speaker 2: like if shit really burns down, what's gonna always be
Speaker 2: true is that there was so much love there.
Speaker 1: And hopefully at the end of every relationship, like what
Speaker 1: you can do is leave it and you can remember
Speaker 1: what was really important was that you loved somebody and
Speaker 1: that they loved you back, and hopefully that's always the
Speaker 1: leaf behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it should be. And of course situations
Speaker 2: are ugly, and of course shit doesn't always make sense.
Speaker 2: But I guess the last thing I'll say is that
Speaker 2: we can't we shouldn't be demanding that people, especially artists,
Speaker 2: be perfect. Of course, like have your opinions, like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But we're going to live in
Speaker 2: a very boring world if everyone just acts the way
Speaker 2: that you want them to. And if we can't ever
Speaker 2: learn from people, and we can't ever like absorb people,
Speaker 2: and we can't ever have like difficult situations reflected back
Speaker 2: to us. And this is very conflicted, I think, at
Speaker 2: times tortured, at times euphoric. Like the work asks a
Speaker 2: lot of questions and answers some of them, Like everything
Speaker 2: is very in process, and I you know, I hope
Speaker 2: the best for anyone that's like representing their relationship.
Speaker 1: Here or feel seen by the work here.
Speaker 2: I hope that you know, everyone can find like a
Speaker 2: piece with love in their life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But like I also know that cosmic love and those feelings,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't always pan out in the best way.
Speaker 2: And here's what you can know. If anyone's going to
Speaker 2: really pay for it, it'll be the people that took
Speaker 2: the risks. So don't you worry out there, like if
Speaker 2: what you really want is for people that you don't
Speaker 2: agree with to fail, like who knows, like they just might,
Speaker 2: But I would hope that we're not rooting for that.
Speaker 1: No, But you know, if you are a big believer
Speaker 1: in karma, if you think this invites karma, which I'm
Speaker 1: here to tell you again that your set of facts
Speaker 1: is not I'm not going to reveal the actual facts
Speaker 1: because they're not mine to reveal, but I can say
Speaker 1: that the matrix of information that you are using to
Speaker 1: like draw a line to the karmaic outcome you want
Speaker 1: is not existent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would say that, you know, even thinking
Speaker 2: about like us going back like five years, like some
Speaker 2: people being like, oh if this or five years ago,
Speaker 2: they would tear her up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: or like whatever, Like.
Speaker 1: I would hope that we don't talk about these things
Speaker 1: the same way we did five years ago, because maybe
Speaker 1: the tone has changed for the general culture consuming population,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like all of us are
Speaker 1: kind of evaluating things differently. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to tell you. If you get the ick from
Speaker 1: thinking that we are like defending these people that, like
Speaker 1: most of whom we don't really have that much of
Speaker 1: a connection with anyway, Yeah, then fine, I'm here to
Speaker 1: tell you, like, would you be putting your friends your
Speaker 1: coworkers on blast? Absolutely not. Yeah, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: And it's not a transactional thing. It's not that like
Speaker 1: this is a muzzle. But like I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: this is someone who has been like a true friend
Speaker 1: to me, and I I love she has shown me
Speaker 1: like whatever, not that that buys you like she had.
Speaker 2: But two things can be true. I believe that every
Speaker 2: single fucking thing we just said is true. And I
Speaker 2: also believe that you're goddamn right. If something went down,
Speaker 2: especially during that time when you were not having an
Speaker 2: easy time, I knew that you had someone that was
Speaker 2: like really looking out for you and really writing hard
Speaker 2: for you and like really being there for you. And
Speaker 2: I will be fucking grateful to that person forever because
Speaker 2: there's nothing I care about more than you and the
Speaker 2: fact that someone had your back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what we are gonna fucking have that person's
Speaker 1: back anyway. That's the album. I love it.
Speaker 2: I fucking love that, and also like not for nothing,
Speaker 2: but it will be so identifiable with a moment, and
Speaker 2: she should feel so proud of herself. I said, you
Speaker 2: know who's definitely proud of her for this, fucking Mariah.
Speaker 2: Mariah would have made this album if she was already
Speaker 2: on his age and like if this was like that
Speaker 2: moment in time for her.
Speaker 1: This album reminds me of many ways of Butterfly. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of like, you know, it reminds me of
Speaker 1: like new era Mariah, because I do believe where this
Speaker 1: is new era Ari, Like she talks about how you know,
Speaker 1: it's equal parts to Mariah and image and heap. I
Speaker 1: think that is so executed.
Speaker 2: So well, And I don't know what I care about
Speaker 2: ultimately is that fucking art is good and interesting and
Speaker 2: makes people think, it makes people feel.
Speaker 1: This is all those things to me, well fucking done.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's this is definitely gonna be one
Speaker 2: of my favorite albums of the year and I will
Speaker 2: listen to it forever. And I fucking love positions. I
Speaker 2: love when Ariana Grande is like yuh, yuh, my pussy
Speaker 2: is a strawberry.
Speaker 1: Like don't don't get me wrong, Like I love pussy
Speaker 1: is a strawberry, right, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I love I'm rich love it and like, but like
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy for her too to
Speaker 1: just do an album with that and sidestep this whole
Speaker 1: thing and be like it's me Ari yet. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like she did, there's not a a miss. Okay, what
Speaker 1: else is there in the culture that you want to
Speaker 1: talk about? I thought they were like one of the
Speaker 1: best oscars I'd seen in a while. Like I thought
Speaker 1: they were delightful, it wasn't like an amazing show for
Speaker 1: me personally, although I think the wind never is. It
Speaker 1: never is. The winds were very satisfying up until I
Speaker 1: would say the end maybe, but not like all of
Speaker 1: them at the end. But I will say I mean
Speaker 1: the Boy and the hairn winning were things winning the
Speaker 1: technical oscars. I was like, okay, like this is there's
Speaker 1: an even spread here. I am like, oh, kind of
Speaker 1: a bummer that the only two shutouts within Best Picture
Speaker 1: were Killers, the Fire Moon and Maestro. Not a bummer,
Speaker 1: but it's like it would have been. It kind of
Speaker 1: would have been like a great thing if like all
Speaker 1: ten movies had gotten some flowers. That's all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that, like ultimately, the Oppenheimer of it all
Speaker 2: is kind of all because I feel like at least
Speaker 2: I can speak for myself. I went out of my
Speaker 2: way to see everything. I did end up seeing Killers.
Speaker 2: I did end up seeing out of interest zone, which
Speaker 2: was hard. But I a one hundred percent agree with
Speaker 2: it winning what it won. I think the best Sound
Speaker 2: win is a really inspired choice because sound is so
Speaker 2: crucial to the success and how hard that movie hits.
Speaker 2: But it beating Oppenheimer was obviously a surprise. But I
Speaker 2: guess the big note there is in terms of sound,
Speaker 2: one thing we need to be able to.
Speaker 1: Hear is the dialogue.
Speaker 2: Oh so that would be I guess my thing about Oppenheimer,
Speaker 2: which I respect, it's when I understand and respect that
Speaker 2: people feel that that's by far the best movie of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 1: I do disagree. And I say this as a Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan fucking super fan I am. I am Dark Knight hive.
Speaker 1: I love Inception.
Speaker 2: You can catch me weeping to Interstellar, like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I love Christopher Nolan. I just
Speaker 2: think this almost tough because the length, and I do
Speaker 2: think the sound mixing is an issue. But you know,
Speaker 2: it did run away with pretty much everything.
Speaker 1: What I liked.
Speaker 2: Was I love poor Things, and I feel like when
Speaker 2: it started to win earlier in the night, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe this like two horse Race, isn't really going Lily
Speaker 2: Gladstone's way. And just to speak to the Lily Gladstone
Speaker 2: and m Stone of it, all that could have gone
Speaker 2: either way. It would have been an incredible moment had
Speaker 2: Lily Gladstone won the Oscar. But if you haven't seen
Speaker 2: Poor Things, then you should. And I wish that people
Speaker 2: wouldn't take Lily Gladstone's Oscar loss out on emmastone because
Speaker 2: that is so unfair, and that is, of course the
Speaker 2: way the discourse has gone, because as we've just said,
Speaker 2: the discourse is toxic and decides it has to be
Speaker 2: one thing and it's so black and white. There has
Speaker 2: to be heroes and villains. So Lily Gladstone has to
Speaker 2: be a hero here and Emma Stone has to be
Speaker 2: a villain here because she's won the Oscar. When Emma
Speaker 2: Stone is fucking talented as shit, what she decides to
Speaker 2: do with her movie stardom is like produce things like
Speaker 2: Poor Things, which is thought provoking and radical and feminist
Speaker 2: and really cool, and she's producing problemsta like please miss
Speaker 2: me with like she's emblematic with racism and like some
Speaker 2: sort of like bigger thing than it is, Like, do
Speaker 2: not take it out on her if you're disappointed for Lily,
Speaker 2: that's fine. Her career is forever change. She's now an
Speaker 2: Oscar nominated actress. She's the most famous person coming out
Speaker 2: of that conversation because everyone's rooting for her and wanting
Speaker 2: her next thing, her career will be fine, Like it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be fuck Emma Stone.
Speaker 1: There's also this other thing going on where everyone's like, well,
Speaker 1: she should have done supporting Lily should have done supporting,
Speaker 1: and then she would have won. It's this weird kind
Speaker 1: of post mortem. But Kyle Buchanan was saying this, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: by campaigning herself for lead, she's telling Hollywood, I am
Speaker 1: alle taking me seriously, taking me seriously. Absolutely, she should
Speaker 1: have no regrets. No one should believe that she should
Speaker 1: have done things any differently. She pulled off a flawless
Speaker 1: campaign start to finish, not a single misstep. And yes,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating that she did not take home the trophy,
Speaker 1: but she is coming out of this a full winner.
Speaker 1: She is moving forward with complete power and grace and
Speaker 1: everything that she deserves.
Speaker 2: No super excited for I mean, I saw she's the
Speaker 2: lead of that Hulu show that looks really good. She
Speaker 2: won the sag Award, She's won a Golden Globe, like
Speaker 2: and now, sometimes I think like that helps propel a narrative,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like Emma Stone wins this Oscar.
Speaker 2: By the way, no one looked more mortified than emm
Speaker 2: a Stone.
Speaker 1: Like that reaction.
Speaker 2: Shot of her winning that Oscar, you could tell she
Speaker 2: didn't want it like this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But also it's like last year with the Kate Blanchette
Speaker 2: and Michelle Yo of it all, you get a sense
Speaker 2: that Kate Blynchett started like campaigning for Michelle Yo because
Speaker 2: she could feel this heat breathing on her neck of like,
Speaker 2: if you win, fuck you the person you'll have taken
Speaker 2: it from. It's like, it shouldn't be about that. What's
Speaker 2: important is the art. What's important is that last year,
Speaker 2: the Michelle Yo and Kate Lynchett year, we had two
Speaker 2: towering performances that were so different that we're given by
Speaker 2: people that are the best in their fields. And yes,
Speaker 2: the Oscar was won by Michelle Yo. It felt incredible.
Speaker 2: It was so deserved. It was what I was rooting for.
Speaker 2: But what's really important is the art that they created.
Speaker 2: What's important is that we created the character of Evelyn.
Speaker 2: What's important is that we created the character of Lydia
Speaker 2: Tar And by we, of course I mean them, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's ultimately what's important and this Oscar thing. This like
Speaker 2: winning losing narrative is like it doesn't mean that person
Speaker 2: is a loser.
Speaker 1: It just means that it means that like one of
Speaker 1: them won an Oscar. Like now we know the story
Speaker 1: of Molly and we know Bella Baster Is this like
Speaker 1: really fun your ghost character? Like there is like an
Speaker 1: O Sage narrative that is like us Hersesey directed film,
Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, I don't know, not
Speaker 1: that we're like revolutionizing the way to think about this
Speaker 1: or to like taught to like have the discord, but
Speaker 1: it's like if I frame it in that way, it's
Speaker 1: like it's incredible that like this was the Oscars race
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it's a weird. Yeah, I mean someone
Speaker 1: did a super cut of like Emma's reaction shot to
Speaker 1: the wind and then like cutting to like screenshots of
Speaker 1: the discorse and whatever. Like it's just I did see
Speaker 1: that the spectator sport of it is like a little
Speaker 1: gratuitous in a way that's fun and like that's why
Speaker 1: we love Award Season. But it just feels like it
Speaker 1: gets longer and longer every year, and by extension a
Speaker 1: little bit more exhausting and draining. So that by the
Speaker 1: time it's past Sunday, I'm like, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to think about these movies ever again. Is that bad? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the season is very long because
Speaker 2: it feels like it starts in September and goes to March,
Speaker 2: March to the point where like Oscar season, like give
Speaker 2: me a break, like this is just what it is.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I loved. And I'm clapping for
Speaker 2: the writer's branch because we picked two great movies. These
Speaker 2: are the categories that I like always am elbiting about
Speaker 2: because I just always want like the right script to
Speaker 2: be solidified.
Speaker 1: With this Oscar whim you are a writer down. I
Speaker 1: love that, I would.
Speaker 2: Say Anatomy of a Fall that was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite movies of the year. They tore that script up
Speaker 2: like incredible and then American Fiction. I absolutely loved it
Speaker 2: was so great and Core Jefferson, I just want to
Speaker 2: shout out because.
Speaker 1: That speech was incredible.
Speaker 2: What he used his time to say was so worth
Speaker 2: it and it was so meaningful and it was so
Speaker 2: true and you can feel everyone being like, yes, that
Speaker 2: is that is exactly right, Like instead of a two
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar budgeted movie that may or may not fail,
Speaker 2: and then we all have to pay for that, like
Speaker 2: in terms of like you know, the fact that we
Speaker 2: don't have the opportunity to see smaller budgeted things because
Speaker 2: all the budget went to that one thing that may
Speaker 2: or may not be good, because those are the movies
Speaker 2: that are more likely to be put together by committee
Speaker 2: artistically in a like on an executive level, like we're
Speaker 2: just the soul of the film industry is like dying
Speaker 2: and more and more every single year, and it's because
Speaker 2: we are not investing in more talent and like ideas
Speaker 2: that are like interesting, actually interesting. He said, make tons
Speaker 2: of smaller budgeted movies and invest in more stories and
Speaker 2: more talent than this one big budgeted movie.
Speaker 1: And I really do believe that's the way too. I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with him more. And there he is holding
Speaker 1: an oscar on stage for one of those modestly budgeted movies,
Speaker 1: and so he's in a position of power to speak
Speaker 1: to that, and I'm really grateful that he did, and
Speaker 1: I really respect him. He's speaking as a writer and
Speaker 1: a director. It's like incredible. I mean that the impact
Speaker 1: of that sorry to Francis McDorman, But I mean inclusion writer.
Speaker 1: Has that impacted at all? I hope, I want to
Speaker 1: say it has, but I've not seen that be the norm.
Speaker 1: And that's not a ding on Francis. No. But I
Speaker 1: think this could actually, hopefully, like have some impact. I
Speaker 1: think hopefully. So everyone was watching, I really like I
Speaker 1: was watching with House and Whitaker and Tom and we
Speaker 1: were all up cheering friends with Jefferson. I believe they
Speaker 1: worked together. They were together, And then Whitaker showed us
Speaker 1: photo of them watching the Oscars together like five years ago,
Speaker 1: just like hanging out. I was just like, what a beautiful.
Speaker 2: He seems like such a great guy and it feels
Speaker 2: like he's very beloved, and I'm really I mean, if
Speaker 2: you haven't seen an American fiction, you should definitely check it out.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's really smart, it's a brand new.
Speaker 1: And check out the Good Place on Peacock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to check out the Good Place on Peacock.
Speaker 2: It's really smart, it's brand new.
Speaker 1: I do miss the Good Place. Good Place was great.
Speaker 1: I love the Good Place. Good Place was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Can you believe they gave Messy the dog
Speaker 1: from anatomy of a fall a seat at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: Messi had a full seat. Messi had a full seat,
Speaker 1: but everyone was very up in arms out the puppet,
Speaker 1: the applause pre tape, m M. They shot that beforehand,
Speaker 1: which you know, like it's a as well trained as
Speaker 1: Messi is, as much of a professional and an amazing
Speaker 1: actor as he is, you can't tell him and communicate
Speaker 1: these things. He can't, like explain that this is an
Speaker 1: award show and you're here because you did it a
Speaker 1: great job.
Speaker 2: Messi is capable of so much, including performing an overdose
Speaker 2: an anatomy of a ball. I don't know, bitch. I
Speaker 2: think they could have talked the dog to clap in
Speaker 2: real time.
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm with the mob on this one. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: did you see the shot of Messi at the end
Speaker 1: of the broadcast of Messi like raising his leg up
Speaker 1: to pee on Matt Damon's Hollywood Walk of Fame star.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that, but I love it. Little Jimmy
Speaker 1: Kimmel joke, Little Jimmy joke. I thought Jimmy Kimmel was great.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that it was really fun. Also,
Speaker 1: shout out Lewis Vertel he wrote for the Oscars. He
Speaker 1: did a lot of the monologue. I know that was
Speaker 1: his lifelong dream.
Speaker 2: So I just want to shout congratulations to that fucking bitch.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, I fucking one of my favorite
Speaker 2: things about any award show is when Billie Eilish is there.
Speaker 2: She's just I fucking love her. She's so fucking good.
Speaker 2: I just love watching her perform. I love that song
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it won.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy it got everything it deserved. You know,
Speaker 2: it's the first song since My Heart will go on
Speaker 2: to win Song of the Year at the Grammys, and yeah,
Speaker 2: for Best Original Song.
Speaker 1: Culturally, it has that impact, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like like nuts and shallow, Like Oher was saying this,
Speaker 1: like it seems like every five years or so, Best
Speaker 1: Original Song feels like the category of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really because we're honoring a cultural moment,
Speaker 2: which I feel like keeps that category alive in a
Speaker 2: way totally.
Speaker 1: But like the gaps in between those years feel like
Speaker 1: conciliatory almost. I mean so literally five years ago was shallow,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this one, what a moment you know, like I know,
Speaker 1: I think we kept calling it the shallow shot, which
Speaker 1: was like shooting with the audience and frame like I'm
Speaker 1: behind so funny, oh man, Yeah, and shout out to
Speaker 1: Becky G. Shout out to Becky G. That cutaway to
Speaker 1: Diane and Eva Longoria, I mean that did you.
Speaker 2: Hear about this controversy? Like apparently Diane Warren flipped a
Speaker 2: ship when Cynthia and Arianna were announcing Best Original Song,
Speaker 2: because Cynthia was like, tonight we've seen nominees for Best Song,
Speaker 2: and Ariana goes and the Oscar goes too, and just
Speaker 2: open the envelope whether or not she was supposed to
Speaker 2: say the nominees versus in dispute. But Diane Warren apparently
Speaker 2: started screaming and was running around furious because Arianna hadn't
Speaker 2: like said the nominees, which means that Diane Warren didn't
Speaker 2: get her like.
Speaker 1: Name read out, this is the rumor that's happening.
Speaker 2: And apparently Eva Longoria saw Diane start to spin out
Speaker 2: and she went to the bar.
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm not handling this. She was like,
Speaker 1: I Am not dealing with this. She was like I
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna be off the fucking clock. She goes, bitch,
Speaker 1: I got the fire inside. I am out of here, bitch,
Speaker 1: this is endgame. I directed this movie. I am love.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy and grateful that I got the Oscar
Speaker 1: nom Yeah, miss me with that Diane. We love Diane.
Speaker 1: Though we love Diane, I mean say, don't go famous
Speaker 1: song the woman wrote because you love Me? But like
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: At the moment, I was like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: is she opening that envelope a little early? But then
Speaker 2: now I'm kind of happy because I do love that
Speaker 2: there was drama.
Speaker 1: Ari and al Pacino not naming the nomies. I think
Speaker 1: that was just like a programming note, a production, just
Speaker 1: like to be. I was like, let's let's keep it
Speaker 1: moving because the songs were shortened too. The songs were
Speaker 1: very like we're like, very abbreviated, I thought, except for
Speaker 1: I'm just ken and what was I made for? Which
Speaker 1: you know, I guess, oh, just so. I loved that
Speaker 1: he was great, like I just felt good he got it,
Speaker 1: and also like to be that relaxed and singing live
Speaker 1: on the oscars, like that's really cool shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially for someone who we know, you know,
Speaker 2: people who know know he is a singer, but like
Speaker 2: not really known for being like some live singer. Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really good. The whole thing. You could tell.
Speaker 1: It was like a very joyous performance. I love that
Speaker 1: they gave Barbie as much real estate on the show
Speaker 1: as they did, even though it only won the one award,
Speaker 1: because it was one of the stories of the year obviously, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And back to Billy, like, it was just that first
Speaker 1: shot of Ryan in the audience, like Billy is cracking up,
Speaker 1: cutting up. I'm like, yeah, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a great vibe, like like the Barbie that whole
Speaker 1: Barbie group is like, so it feels like such good vibes.
Speaker 1: Everyone's just like really really I don't know, like very
Speaker 1: like basking in like this journey that they've all been on,
Speaker 1: which ended that night, you know, like yeah, Margo fucking
Speaker 1: looked stunning, Greta looked amazing. Yeah, all of it. America Snatch,
Speaker 1: America Snatched. I did have one moment of just like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: I could I was supposed to be you were supposed
Speaker 1: to be in that, and that's all I like acknowledge
Speaker 1: about it. But I was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then you cut to you at home, like staring
Speaker 1: at the space wended.
Speaker 2: I will say one of the fun moments of the
Speaker 2: show was Rita Morano presenting America.
Speaker 1: Fererra America America. I love that. I thought it was great.
Speaker 2: I love the Fab five coming out and doing the speeches.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I will say if I have one thing, it was
Speaker 2: Charlie's really flopped hers.
Speaker 1: Like I've never been stung by a jellyfish. Cut to that,
Speaker 1: bending like, oh, this is what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Like I think Charlie's was trying to give it like
Speaker 2: a gravitas that like was not placed correctly, like it
Speaker 2: was obviously a joke, like if you have to lean
Speaker 2: on it a little bit, but she tried to play
Speaker 2: this like middle ground or like underplay it, like you
Speaker 2: can't underplay I've never been stung by a jellyfish. But
Speaker 2: watching you and Benning, I felt like I had you
Speaker 2: can't that there's nothing yeah, you know, there's nothing emotional
Speaker 2: about that, Like.
Speaker 1: No, there's no grip there, there's no purchase, like lean
Speaker 1: on it a little bit, Charlie ease, like we got
Speaker 1: we have to understand that it's a joke. Because then
Speaker 1: at the end. It was just so funny because the
Speaker 1: Net Benning's sitting there, She's already she had to get
Speaker 1: a dressed for this. She was like she so she didn't,
Speaker 1: but like she's sitting there. And then at the end
Speaker 1: of that thing, though Charlie's speech, she kind of goes
Speaker 1: like you can see her kind of like tilts her
Speaker 1: head and be like, eh, a net Benning, what about
Speaker 1: George model for award show behavior was like fuck this,
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a Mother of the Bride yep garment. I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. I'm gonna wear my fucking tinted glasses.
Speaker 1: And those were chic. Those were chic. Her most animated
Speaker 1: moment all night was Kimmel at the end doing like
Speaker 1: the Trump jail time. Patrick and I were laughing laughing
Speaker 1: because she was like a mad She was so tickled
Speaker 1: by it, and that was down for that Trump drag.
Speaker 2: She was really down for it. It's just Patrick also,
Speaker 2: House was like.
Speaker 1: Patrick was rooting for a net the whole night. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was at and honestly, I loved a Net bending
Speaker 1: and Nightet. I talked about it a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 1: like it was so good, but what else oh love
Speaker 1: Divine's speech, like that was so great, Like Robert Downey Junior.
Speaker 1: I thought we frontloaded our speeches this season. Like it's
Speaker 1: hard when you keep seeing the same person go up
Speaker 1: again again again, because by the time Oscar night comes around,
Speaker 1: it feels like anointed in a way, and the speeches
Speaker 1: feel less, you know what I mean. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like one of the only people that really worked all
Speaker 1: the way up to giving her best speech was Divine.
Speaker 1: And then you know, not everyone else nailed the speeches.
Speaker 1: But hey, but hey, that's Hollywood. That's Hollywood. Maybe not
Speaker 1: everyone nails the speeches. Not everyone nails the speeches. Did
Speaker 1: you see Dune yet? Speaking of Hollywood, I have not
Speaker 1: seen doing I'm going to this week, but I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see Timmy ride that worm. I can't wait
Speaker 1: for the ghost of Oscar Isaac. I guess he's not
Speaker 1: in it. Oh, he's in the credits. He's credited in
Speaker 1: Doune too. I like looked it up. I was like,
Speaker 1: did they credit Oscar Isaac? I know Momoa is not
Speaker 1: credited because of what happens, but for some reason Oscar.
Speaker 1: Maybe I looked at the wrong thing. But I could
Speaker 1: have sworn that Oscar Isaac was listed as a starring
Speaker 1: actor in Doune Too, and I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: guess they like do a flashback or something. I don't know. Mimoa.
Speaker 1: Momoa is not credited in June Too. He's not in it, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, but did I say Oscar Isaac? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oscar Isaac is credited in June Too. I believe he
Speaker 1: is not in it either, because he's not in the movie.
Speaker 1: But why would Momoa Momoa? He's not in this He
Speaker 1: was in the first one. He was, Yes, Jason Momoa,
Speaker 1: Jason Momoo shaved shaved Jason Momoa. But if I was,
Speaker 1: I think he looks hotter without the beard. Sorry, Jason. Oh, Okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: I didn't even remember that. Okay. So the thing about
Speaker 1: dunes is I definitely go see them, but I am
Speaker 1: miserable almost every second while I'm watching them, And then
Speaker 1: the second I leave, I can't stop thinking. You're like,
Speaker 1: I love that. But but while because you feel sand,
Speaker 1: you feel the sand. I don't like to be sandy.
Speaker 2: People know that, like, and I'm always worried about people's
Speaker 2: ocular health, like because of all the dust and all
Speaker 2: the sand, and also the context they have to keep
Speaker 2: putting in their eyes. I'm just so concerned about Timmy
Speaker 2: and Zenda and sort of their eyes and their nostrils,
Speaker 2: and Javier as well. I will say my favorite part
Speaker 2: of these movies is Rebecca Ferguson amazing protect her at
Speaker 2: all costs, Lady Jessica is that girl. The performance that
Speaker 2: she gives in this and the first one I thought
Speaker 2: were great, Like, this is the kind of thing I
Speaker 2: would like to see it.
Speaker 1: I'm nation four, like, so so so good.
Speaker 2: She's so like, it's like this mixture of unbothered and
Speaker 2: completely physically tortured, which I takes me laugh and gives
Speaker 2: me a thrill. Loved her talking to her baby Annia
Speaker 2: Taylor Joy, and then loved the one scene with Anna
Speaker 2: Taylor Joy. I hope she got paid one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for being a day.
Speaker 1: Player at least. I was like, literally all I could
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 2: I saw it with Ade Schwartz and I was like,
Speaker 2: I left and I was like, how much do you
Speaker 2: think they paid?
Speaker 1: Anya? I think the root of Rebecca Ferguson is unbothered.
Speaker 1: I think you see an interview She's like, oh, what
Speaker 1: is this. I don't give a fuck, but it's so charming.
Speaker 1: I love her.
Speaker 2: I think we need to get we need to give
Speaker 2: her way more. I think she is actually top one
Speaker 2: percent of the talent in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: It's her.
Speaker 2: But I was looking at her IMDb because I was,
Speaker 2: of course trying to track down which from the greatest
Speaker 2: Showman to do. Oh yeah, I was like, no, well
Speaker 2: that obviously, but she was out. She made news because
Speaker 2: she said, like.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2: It was an act years ago, total assho and he
Speaker 2: was mean to me on set and I never forgot it,
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, do you think it is? Well,
Speaker 1: I have my opinions, but I'm oh, you're protecting celebrities. No.
Speaker 2: Fine, I'll just say I think, looking at it, it's
Speaker 2: either Michael Fassbender or Jake Jillenhall. And then I watched
Speaker 2: interviews with both of them because this is how on
Speaker 2: the case I was, and it seemed like, at least
Speaker 2: in terms of the press presentation, that she could do
Speaker 2: relationships with both of them. So what I'll say about
Speaker 2: Rebecca Ferguson and all this is she was incredibly honest
Speaker 2: in that last interview and she's also incredibly good at
Speaker 2: press because you cannot tell which person it is that
Speaker 2: was cruel to her on set, to the point where
Speaker 2: she was like, I have used to work with you today,
Speaker 2: you know, but that is but that is what she
Speaker 2: has said, so much smoke and mirrors out there.
Speaker 1: Should we talk about the royal family? Because this is
Speaker 1: eating my ass up. I was going to say, I
Speaker 1: was gonna transition. I was gonna say, Rebecca is one
Speaker 1: of our great brets, and to go to some ungreat brets,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this whole fuck it thing. Let's fucking go.
Speaker 1: So that is the craziest photo I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life. I can't believe they thought that was gonna fly.
Speaker 1: It's completely unhinged.
Speaker 2: Either these are the dumbest people in the world or
Speaker 2: they think we're the dumbest people in the world.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's both. I think it's both. That window
Speaker 1: on the left, I'm not even looking at it. I
Speaker 1: can just just all of it is. So what's the
Speaker 1: word eerie? Like really disturbing? So disturbing this photo.
Speaker 2: They're eerie and disturbing people. So for those of you
Speaker 2: who don't know, like Kate Middleton has been. I think
Speaker 2: everyone knows at this point. I mean, I'm sure everyone knows,
Speaker 2: but Kate Middleton's been missing. And they released this photo
Speaker 2: of her that was so clearly like either AI or
Speaker 2: photoshop or something that was just like me and my
Speaker 2: children together definitely today, and everyone was like, that's obviously fake.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: And then they announced I think she made a statement
Speaker 2: taking credit for that and was like, I'm so sorry
Speaker 2: that was me.
Speaker 1: I'm an amateur photographer. I dabble in photoshop.
Speaker 2: First of all, Mama, Kate Middleton, you were not on
Speaker 2: photoshop putting this photo together.
Speaker 1: Like, no way, no way, you barely know how to
Speaker 1: use a computer. I can't believe the lengths they are
Speaker 1: going to cover up what is going on, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, the cat's out of the bag, because did
Speaker 1: you see that clip from Big Brother UK? No tell
Speaker 1: me bowin fucking Echen Sue is now on Big Brother
Speaker 1: UK with I guess like a relative of Kate Middleton,
Speaker 1: and so in the Big Brother House, Ecken Sue asked,
Speaker 1: and this is you can see a video of this
Speaker 1: because it's the Big Brother House. She goes, I have
Speaker 1: to ask you, like where is Kate and her cousin
Speaker 1: or something, or her uncle or something, sighs and goes,
Speaker 1: you know, they've asked me not to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but just she's getting the best care. He literally says
Speaker 1: those words she was Is she okay? And he was
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I'm I really, I'm in contact
Speaker 1: with her mother. I'm not really supposed to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but like we're they're doing like what they can. I
Speaker 1: can't believe Eckin Sue is fucking Ecken Shou was the one.
Speaker 1: My god, so.
Speaker 2: And I literally I had to laugh because I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's all converging in a way that's so crazy. But
Speaker 2: what's obviously happening is she's ill, she's not well, and
Speaker 2: for some reason they feel the need to cover that
Speaker 2: up or not tell the truth about this. To the
Speaker 2: fact that they would now outwardly lie and misrepresent things.
Speaker 1: They gotta go. They can't be trusted, They can't be trusted.
Speaker 1: This is the ghost of Diana, just like fucking up
Speaker 1: every single lane of this family. To me, like, there
Speaker 1: is no like good royal right now, I'm sorry, or
Speaker 1: ex royal for that matter, not one. You can't root
Speaker 1: for these people, No it's so crazy. There never was
Speaker 1: not I said that there ever was. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: keep going. Except Diana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that this is way worse than
Speaker 2: they think. Like I think this is like maybe even
Speaker 2: the straw that breaks the camel's back, because even people
Speaker 2: that like didn't care about the treatment of Diana and
Speaker 2: didn't care about the treatment of Megan.
Speaker 1: Like have an issue with this because being lied to this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, what would be the big deal
Speaker 1: about being transparent and honest about what she's going through?
Speaker 1: You know what is if she's very ill, like tell
Speaker 1: people that, Like, what would be the big deal? The
Speaker 1: imagery of the royal family right now is that it's
Speaker 1: like falling apart because of Charles, and I mean, it's
Speaker 1: all pretty bleak and dark. But it's like they can't
Speaker 1: afford to look any weaker than they already are than
Speaker 1: they already do.
Speaker 2: I think it's a total miscalculation on their part. And
Speaker 2: I think they obviously have the worst pr in the world.
Speaker 2: But I think when they've been the most powerful and
Speaker 2: when they've been the most beloved is when they peer
Speaker 2: the most human, you know what I mean, Like Elizabeth
Speaker 2: coming out and greeting the mourners, like William and Harry,
Speaker 2: like when Diana passed away, like them being so obviously
Speaker 2: in a state of grief and mourning, and the country
Speaker 2: could be there for them and rally around them, like
Speaker 2: you know, even Harry and Megan leaving, Like that's a
Speaker 2: very like human thing in terms of like I just
Speaker 2: feel like they need to understand like it is through
Speaker 2: humanity and it is again through complexity and gray area
Speaker 2: that we all can truly connect. And I feel like
Speaker 2: they're trying to withhold this image that is now like
Speaker 2: we know, completely constructed, because it's starting to fall apart
Speaker 2: in front of my very eyes, and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is this all for?
Speaker 1: What is this all for? It's to preserve meaning in
Speaker 1: like this thing that has had meaning for it, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, like this is not a totally discount the
Speaker 1: royal family and like what its value is in like
Speaker 1: British culture and world culture. It's like the value of
Speaker 1: the monarchy is to like give people a sense of like, oh,
Speaker 1: like let's fixate on these people for all these reasons,
Speaker 1: and like now that the fixation is grim and dark
Speaker 1: and like has like a mortal element to it, it's
Speaker 1: a little sad. I think like people in the UK
Speaker 1: would and across the world would like freak out a
Speaker 1: little bit, I think. But it's not that they already aren't.
Speaker 1: It's just that, like the smoke and mirrors of it
Speaker 1: is a way to keep people like somewhat sane, and
Speaker 1: yet it's having the opposite effect. I just think, if
Speaker 1: she's really ill, I hope that everything's okay. But what
Speaker 1: they're telegraphing now is that everything is not okay. And
Speaker 1: now people are going to be panicking. Now, people are
Speaker 1: going to be like, even if they are to come
Speaker 1: out in a couple weeks or whatever and say what
Speaker 1: the truth is, like, who's to say that that can
Speaker 1: even be trusted? Right, Like at this point they have
Speaker 1: completely lost everyone, not everyone, but like the majority I
Speaker 1: think most people. Yeah, anyway, listen, speaking of Eck and Sue,
Speaker 1: I just really want to debrief on the Traders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to have it on my little list. I
Speaker 1: mean that finale was eventful, It wasn't uneventful. You can't
Speaker 1: say nothing happened. Yeah, I do think it was just
Speaker 1: such a an empty finish. It was scoundrel behavior from
Speaker 1: Traschelle I'm just gonna put it on Trachelle honestly, and CT.
Speaker 1: I guess if they both went in because they both
Speaker 1: made that pact with each other. I am a little
Speaker 1: thrown by CT voting for Trischelle, Trischelle voting for CT,
Speaker 1: Trichell voting for CT. Yes, yes, yes, but like the
Speaker 1: way they like, the way they iced hat MJ was
Speaker 1: just so fucking crazy to me, and it was so
Speaker 1: sel It's just like, oh, you you couldn't have done
Speaker 1: a three way split just on a math level, on
Speaker 1: like a greed level. Is that what that was? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a game totally. I did think. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: what they did is above board. Okay, well we're going
Speaker 1: to disagree. I agree to disagree. I didn't watch the reunion,
Speaker 1: although someone did say, like, for people who don't watch Bravo, like,
Speaker 1: you have to understand how embarrassing it is for Trischelle
Speaker 1: to sit that far away from the center in terms
Speaker 1: of the gameplay.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, she was the only person who deserved the money,
Speaker 2: like her and CT, because MJ got to the end
Speaker 2: literally wrong every single time. I mean, she was literally
Speaker 2: a definition of a goat. So I understand being with
Speaker 2: her at the end and being like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to share the money with her. I mean, that's happened before,
Speaker 2: and it is a game, like, yes, maybe they were
Speaker 2: the faithfuls the whole time, and so you don't want
Speaker 2: to backstab it faithful.
Speaker 1: But it's also like you are there to win the money.
Speaker 2: So as a game move, I would have respected it
Speaker 2: had they gone in and been like, you and I
Speaker 2: are going to split the money like we stbby where
Speaker 2: let's get her out of here, because ultimately she also
Speaker 2: could be a trader. I do believe that Troschelle had
Speaker 2: a reason to believe that CT could have been a trader,
Speaker 2: and so when she voted for him, I was shocked.
Speaker 2: And then she talked it through afterwards. I was watching
Speaker 2: an interview with her afterwards and she talked it through,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, there were definitely times
Speaker 2: where his willingness to allow her to get a shield
Speaker 2: she read that as like, oh, he doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: he needs one, he's a trader. Like there were there
Speaker 2: were moments where I was just like, I get that reasoning,
Speaker 2: So I would have understood it either way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of a bummer that
Speaker 2: Kate kind of stopped trying at the end, But that's.
Speaker 1: Kate down like she she is someone who disengages like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we saw last season, you.
Speaker 2: Kind of got a lover like but being in the
Speaker 2: top four when there literally had to be a trader
Speaker 2: there because Chat had been murdered, and her being like
Speaker 2: I believe that everyone hears a faithful It's like, mommy,
Speaker 2: you just gave it away. Like but but then it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know did she throw it because she came
Speaker 2: in halfway through and said I don't really deserve this,
Speaker 2: like let's let them have the money and duke it out.
Speaker 2: Like I can see that. But yeah, obviously anytime anyone
Speaker 2: is in any of these games, I want to see
Speaker 2: them try to win all the money. That's just what
Speaker 2: I think is that's gameplay.
Speaker 1: I understand it's gameplay, but it is so funny, Like
Speaker 1: Trischelle was framing these the entire game is like an
Speaker 1: absolutely moral kind of like crusade where it's like the
Speaker 1: traders are murdering us that we are to get Like
Speaker 1: I kind of took it as that. I was like,
Speaker 1: she's taking this serious, like and I understand the shift
Speaker 1: to like pure gameplay towards the end. But it was
Speaker 1: like a, oh, I don't know, I just I just
Speaker 1: don't like her, that's all. She's like Gazelle levels to me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can just tell Giselle and Troschelle are
Speaker 1: not your girls anyone that ends with an L except Chrishelle. Chris,
Speaker 1: You're alleged love your Roschelle. No if I if Trichelle
Speaker 1: shows up to an upfront event, not that I get
Speaker 1: invited to them anyway, but I'm just like, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's always like the upfront is always where Bowen expecting
Speaker 1: to have to throw hands. Yes, I'm gonna do it. Sorry, Sorry,
Speaker 1: Donald Langley. I feel like, yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: a fun season. It's a fun season. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: don't think some honey, Dan and Peter like just people
Speaker 1: who kind of like killed the vibe of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Dan by like killing the sort of like making it
Speaker 1: impossible for the traders to win, and then Peter for
Speaker 1: just being so smug and making the faithful as impossible
Speaker 1: to root for. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good distillation of what it was.
Speaker 2: I guess, like I just wish that people could get
Speaker 2: all on the same page about like the fact that
Speaker 2: it's a game and you gotta do what you gotta
Speaker 2: do to win the game. Like and I feel like
Speaker 2: in Australia, not in the UK. And the UK they
Speaker 2: were very emotional all over the place, but in Australia
Speaker 2: it was clear that everyone was there for the money,
Speaker 2: which is why you're there, Like, and so anytime like
Speaker 2: some emotion like comes into it, or whenever anyone's like
Speaker 2: I have to think should I vote with my head
Speaker 2: or my I'm like screaming at the TV.
Speaker 1: Your head, your head, oh, with your head. But the
Speaker 1: thing about this season of The Traders, which I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting to see play out, was like, if it
Speaker 1: is all reality TV veterans, there are so many other
Speaker 1: factors that go into it where it's like it's not
Speaker 1: like a full normy season where it's like they don't
Speaker 1: know each other. They don't know each other from Adam,
Speaker 1: they don't know what their strategies or what their reputations are.
Speaker 1: Like this was a season of The Traders where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, did it work? And I think it did?
Speaker 1: But did it work if everyone knows has all these
Speaker 1: preconceived notions going in. That's all yes, definitely, that's what
Speaker 1: I think. Whatever it is, it just.
Speaker 2: Has to be on an even playing field. And season
Speaker 2: three it is going to be reality stars again, like
Speaker 2: that's yes, yes, yes, confirmed. But what I like about
Speaker 2: an All Normies cast, like an Australia cast, is.
Speaker 1: You really believe they need the money.
Speaker 2: And so for example, like on Australia, it's one woman
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, probably with the money, I'll get a
Speaker 2: new hand. It's like that's different than k chesting, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, probably with the money, I'll
Speaker 2: get a blow out every week for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life, you know what I mean. It's like I
Speaker 2: would rather I don't think she cares about her hair,
Speaker 2: I said. In every scene it looks like she's hanging
Speaker 2: upside down. It's wild ish.
Speaker 1: Down, chaotic as shit. In every scene, it's like the
Speaker 1: hairstylist was like, hmm, for you, we're gonna go static.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna rub my feet on a carpet, honey,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get you electrocuted as fuck. Like
Speaker 1: she her hair looks fucked, freshly fucked, freshly electrocuted. It
Speaker 1: is fuzzy, but that's the one thing I like about
Speaker 1: Australia and I have to say, watch this season because
Speaker 1: it is so good and you just get that there's
Speaker 1: a desperation for the money there that informs the gameplay
Speaker 1: and makes it even more cutthroat. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just my thing is I just want to see
Speaker 1: the game played well. Of course, it's fun to have
Speaker 1: like the fun elements of like you know, the reality
Speaker 1: show aspect, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, lord Naik and Sue, no one likes you, poverty.
Speaker 2: I don't have to kiss her ass for a ro.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's all fun. But it was very
Speaker 2: funny at the reunion. And if you watch the reunion,
Speaker 2: you'll see like the housewives treating it like a Housewives
Speaker 2: reunion and the gamers being like.
Speaker 1: You, guys, it's a game. But I kind of love
Speaker 1: seeing that sort of mingling.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. The collision is so funny. Also,
Speaker 2: it was such like fan service wish fulfillment for me
Speaker 2: to see Parvety sitting next to Andy Cohen in a reunion.
Speaker 1: Like I said, God is so good. I started. I
Speaker 1: started the episode and I was like, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: be superficial, but Parvety looked at me and saying, she
Speaker 1: loo's great. She looks stunning. I mean, look, if it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a reunion, like, let's turn the reunion. And
Speaker 1: also Peppermint had a I'm glad they gave Peppermin a
Speaker 1: moment to be like me, being on the show was
Speaker 1: incredibly meaningful m hm. And it was so disappointing that
Speaker 1: I went out. So we're yeah, fuckinglle Man. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it seems like they are okay. You know what
Speaker 1: I would say, like, that's my thing is like Peppermint
Speaker 1: and Tochelle seem okay. Peppermint applauded for Trischelle when they
Speaker 1: talked about how she was the winner. They still follow
Speaker 1: each other on Instagram, Like, but I also wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: if I never had to think about Tchelle ever again.
Speaker 2: And that's that is your right. And guess what, maybe
Speaker 2: now that she's won the money, maybe she'll retire.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Speaking of a human being with contradictions,
Speaker 1: I do just want to touch on the Madonna concert.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please, this was so fun.
Speaker 2: I had a great time. I'm so happy I went.
Speaker 2: It was a very comprehensive show. You got everything. She
Speaker 2: was playing the hits and also there were some swerves
Speaker 2: highlights for me, crazy for you. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: love that song so much, like love that song love
Speaker 2: hung Up. Just the Vogue section was fucking great. Ali
Speaker 2: Wong came out at my show. Oh that's fun, and
Speaker 2: I will also say the highlight, and I would think
Speaker 2: that this maybe is the highlight of like for many
Speaker 2: people for our entire tour. I was at the show
Speaker 2: where Kylie Minogue came out, and it was such a
Speaker 2: moment to see Kylie and Madonna on stage together and
Speaker 2: they sang an acoustic version of I Will Survive and
Speaker 2: then Madonna let everyone in an acapella can't get You
Speaker 2: out of My Head like chorl oh my god. There
Speaker 2: was so much love and respect between them, genuinely, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that was so amazing to see, like, and it
Speaker 2: felt like all artifice dropped away for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And Kylie came out and Madonna pointed at her and
Speaker 2: she was like, this is a real survivor. And I
Speaker 2: feel like only they can really understand like the positions
Speaker 2: that they're in and obviously like women at that level,
Speaker 2: but to see them stand together and you know, Kylie
Speaker 2: was wearing her shirt that said Madonna. That called back
Speaker 2: to when Madonna wore that shirt that said Kylie Minogue,
Speaker 2: and it just was a joyful, faggy moment.
Speaker 1: I love it. These are two very important people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I mean yeah, like there needs to
Speaker 1: be some sort of documentary, some sort of journalistic thing
Speaker 1: on those two on their careers, like side by side,
Speaker 1: because they really were like two sides of the same
Speaker 1: coin for a while, like coming up around the same time,
Speaker 1: representing different things, kind of converging, then diverging, converging, but
Speaker 1: then I mean in the end, it all converges back
Speaker 1: once again, and it's like, these are just two fucking legends,
Speaker 1: and to see them kind of join together and celebration
Speaker 1: is really really beautiful. I mean god, I do have
Speaker 1: regrets about not going to see her Madonna when she
Speaker 1: was in New York, but that is a very special
Speaker 1: She had Barclays, she was Barclays and she did MSG
Speaker 1: and I misspoke. Oh wow, I was very very sad.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this was that the Forum. Oh great, And
Speaker 1: she's been done so many shows. I really feel I
Speaker 1: went to the right one. You definitely did, And the fact.
Speaker 2: That we got Kylie Mino' is like, oh, Cardi b
Speaker 2: came out and did the Vogue section last night. Apparently
Speaker 2: it was a blast, like Tony Gomez was saying, it
Speaker 2: was so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh fun.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to say one other thing. Madonna, which
Speaker 2: is at the top of the concert, she was, you know,
Speaker 2: it was like after the first couple of songs and
Speaker 2: she was addressing the audience, and so many times she
Speaker 2: was like, you guys need to put your fucking phones away,
Speaker 2: get up on your feet. She was like talking to
Speaker 2: the audience like we were her servants, and we loved it.
Speaker 1: But at one point she goes, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: in this business for forty fucking years.
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for forty fucking years, and just today,
Speaker 2: just like the first day, I give zero fucks.
Speaker 1: And then I was like whoa.
Speaker 2: And then like a beat goes by and she goes,
Speaker 2: well sometimes I give like one and a half fuck,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was like thank god, you know,
Speaker 2: like because it just goes to show that like even Madonna,
Speaker 2: someone who got to where she's got by being like,
Speaker 2: you know, no holds barred, confident in doing what she
Speaker 2: wants to do, like to see that she exposed in
Speaker 2: that moment, the complexity and the humanity of like I
Speaker 2: am Madonna, and that comes with so fucking much talk
Speaker 2: about someone who's been dissected, hated, beloved. Cast Aside said
Speaker 2: like she was over, said she was the greatest thing
Speaker 2: in the world, the highs, the lows, everything for Madonna
Speaker 2: at the end of it to expose about herself like
Speaker 2: you know, I know my image is like bitch on Madonna,
Speaker 2: and she in that moment was like sometimes I give
Speaker 2: like one and a half fuck because yeah, like when
Speaker 2: you get to that point, like there's so much responsibility
Speaker 2: and you mean so much more than you can even
Speaker 2: possibly fathom. You are such a fully realized figure in
Speaker 2: the minds at least there's a perception that you are
Speaker 2: a fully flashed figure of everyone in the world because
Speaker 2: you are Madonna. And to see her exposed that she
Speaker 2: actually does care sometimes about like maybe what goes down,
Speaker 2: what people might think, like what's being said, I thought
Speaker 2: was like very full circle. And I also felt like
Speaker 2: was empowering almost to see her be up there and
Speaker 2: not like lie or hide behind some facade of like I'm.
Speaker 1: A bulletproof bitch. Like to see that like soft core.
Speaker 2: I was like really appreciative of that, And from that
Speaker 2: moment forward, I was able to enjoy the concert even
Speaker 2: more because this is someone who's like showing this arsenal
Speaker 2: of hits and this this entire career, this story, and
Speaker 2: at the end of it all, like she exposed that
Speaker 2: humanity and I was able to really appreciate her triumphs
Speaker 2: even more.
Speaker 1: Well, let that be like proof positive that you can
Speaker 1: be sixty five years old and be celebrating your entire
Speaker 1: body of work with people who love you in that
Speaker 1: space and still acknowledged the idea that like, it's just
Speaker 1: it's the human condition just to like care, to like
Speaker 1: be vain sometimes, which is not necessarily like what is
Speaker 1: the universal? But it's like you are like there is
Speaker 1: no escaping that you cannot, like you have to kill
Speaker 1: such a crazy deep part of yourself in order to
Speaker 1: not care, in order to like just let the work
Speaker 1: speak for itself and let that be the only thing,
Speaker 1: and let that be the thing that you rest all
Speaker 1: of your value on. It will never be that, even
Speaker 1: if you're fucking Madonna, your forty years of work will
Speaker 1: not be the thing that like saves you or inoculates
Speaker 1: you from feeling like insecure or inadequate or like you're
Speaker 1: not with it in whatever way, And it's fine. It's
Speaker 1: like anytime we feel like, God, shouldn't I have grown
Speaker 1: past this? Like, shouldn't I have outgrown this part of
Speaker 1: my life? Like you never will? That's okay, that's scary,
Speaker 1: But it's like it's just how our brains are wired.
Speaker 1: It's like we have not evolved past that on a
Speaker 1: sort of like cerebral level.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not natural to be Madonna and have
Speaker 2: world wide international influence and discourse about you.
Speaker 1: That's not natural.
Speaker 2: So to hear her say I give one and a
Speaker 2: half fuck, that was to me kind of revolutionary to
Speaker 2: hear from her.
Speaker 1: I like the grammatical sort of like itch of like
Speaker 1: not plural fucks, right, give one and a half fuck
Speaker 1: one and a half yeah, and singular fuck, which doesn't
Speaker 1: grammatically totally make sense. Title of app one on and
Speaker 1: a half fuck, I love it. That is a really
Speaker 1: good title of app. Actually, yes, that's a very good
Speaker 1: title of app. We tapple everything in the culture, should
Speaker 1: we do? I don't think so, honey, I think so.
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so, honey. This is where
Speaker 1: we take one minute to go off against something in culture,
Speaker 1: go off on something in culture. Matt, do you have
Speaker 1: something I do?
Speaker 2: And before I do this, this has nothing to do
Speaker 2: actually it kind of has something to do with it.
Speaker 2: But I do want to say one other thing, which
Speaker 2: is I went to that Elton John oscar party, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, and I saw something strack. And to see
Speaker 2: something strack at the Elton John party when that had been.
Speaker 1: A plotline on the show was lol to me.
Speaker 2: And I will say the highlight of my night was
Speaker 2: when I was standing at the bar trying to get
Speaker 2: a drink and I look, I look over and there's
Speaker 2: Kesha and we were all ready for drinks and the
Speaker 2: bartenders were doing an incredible job, but like it can
Speaker 2: never be fast enough, so Kesha as a joke, like
Speaker 2: grabbed a bottle of champagne off the bar and like
Speaker 2: pretended like she was going to take it. And I
Speaker 2: turned to her and I said, that was the most
Speaker 2: Keshau shit I've ever seen. And she left and we
Speaker 2: had a nice, little.
Speaker 1: Cute little moment. You two, we don't know each other
Speaker 1: and she does not know me from Adam, but I
Speaker 1: did see her act Kesha in the wild, and so
Speaker 1: I had to call it out. She was not stealing
Speaker 1: it off the bar, just like I didn't steal that strawberry.
Speaker 1: Short kick, bitch, you're doing accusations on that mo. My god,
Speaker 1: we can't get into this, but no, we can't. You.
Speaker 1: We would never, we would never do anything like this today. No.
Speaker 1: I was twenty three, we were twenty three, and I'm
Speaker 1: a human with complexities effect you're just at the same time.
Speaker 1: I know that me and my sister share a bloodline,
Speaker 1: a blood we share a blood live I have. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so many as time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey.
Speaker 2: I have thought my en seam was different than it
Speaker 2: is for years. No fuck, I've been there the wrong
Speaker 2: in seam for years. For years, I've been saying my
Speaker 2: enseeam is a thirty two. Suddenly I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: I realized, Huh, every single time I wear pants they're
Speaker 2: too long. It's because my enseem is thirty four years.
Speaker 1: I have been bow and yang. I know my own
Speaker 1: length of my legs.
Speaker 2: I am a thirty I have short thirty legs and
Speaker 2: a long torso it is part of me. This is
Speaker 2: me now and this me then. Since I started giving
Speaker 2: my n S team, I have been a thirty. My
Speaker 2: pants have always been too long. I'm always wondering, Huh,
Speaker 2: why do I always need the best bottom of my
Speaker 2: pants and tailored? Is there something wrong with my body? No,
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with my brain. There's something wrong with
Speaker 2: my mother, who told me I was a thirty two
Speaker 2: in my entire life. Well, Katrina Rogers, I have news
Speaker 2: for you. I don't think so, honey. I'm a thirty
Speaker 2: in seam. Goddamn it, mama.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I'm sorry you took me on
Speaker 1: a journey there because I thought you first started out
Speaker 1: saying you didn't know what an en seam was, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, oh no, no, my en seem
Speaker 1: I feel like this is something you should have gotten
Speaker 1: to the bottom of years ago, honey, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But I have been so for years. Like it's not
Speaker 1: something that like your mom tells you and then you
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, oh, like one of your
Speaker 1: uncles has like a secret family. It's not like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is the thing that you can
Speaker 1: sort of verify for yourself without having someone else time.
Speaker 1: I know, but that doesn't mean I can't blame my mother.
Speaker 2: And what I would say is, for years and maybe
Speaker 2: still even in my heart, for years I identified as
Speaker 2: a thirty thirty two thirty waist thirty two in seam.
Speaker 2: Not only it's it's literally flipped. I am now a
Speaker 2: thirty two waist. Even sometimes we're ring on thirty three,
Speaker 2: depending on what the situation is. Sure, sure, but my
Speaker 2: waist has gone up. My enn sceam is a thirty.
Speaker 2: I am a thirty two thirty.
Speaker 1: And now that I refuse to believe I'm a thirty
Speaker 1: two thirty bitch. And can I tell you something about
Speaker 1: you don't believe? We have the same Yeah? Literally literally literally, Bowen,
Speaker 1: we have the same legs. We'll compare next time I
Speaker 1: see you. You are literally feet taller than me. Bowen.
Speaker 1: My torso is a very long I have a swimmer's body.
Speaker 1: You don't, God Bless must be nice. Excuse me. This
Speaker 1: is about me and my en seam. Are we the same?
Speaker 1: We are we both thirty two thirty? You know what
Speaker 1: depended iie light. I'm like a thirty three, thirty sometimes
Speaker 1: thirty four if it's the winner. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like if it's like January or we're having a hard time,
Speaker 1: like it might even go up to someone. The other day,
Speaker 1: I was getting fitted for work and the girl goes, okay,
Speaker 1: so we need to get you a thirty four, and
Speaker 1: I said, excuse me, like, and by the way, we're
Speaker 1: not putting any we're not putting any stigma on any
Speaker 1: way side, but we're the way size is beautiful. That
Speaker 1: was just two sizes sometimes even three sizes bigger than
Speaker 1: I usually.
Speaker 2: I don't want this to fall off, right, And I
Speaker 2: was just like, I was like, oh, that feels too
Speaker 2: big for me. And then they explained like, oh, when
Speaker 2: you're getting fitted for things for like a job like that,
Speaker 2: you want to get something a little bit bigger so
Speaker 2: that it can be brought in, Like because that's just
Speaker 2: the way it is. But anyway, it's not me saying
Speaker 2: like if my waist right now is a thirty three
Speaker 2: thirty four, that's fucking great. I just should know that,
Speaker 2: and I should know that my end seam is a
Speaker 2: thirty because that will never change. And I've been saying
Speaker 2: thirty two for the longest time. I swear to God,
Speaker 2: I'm so happy now. I just threw out all my
Speaker 2: pants bowing, and I went to fucking Banana Republic itself
Speaker 2: and I got some new pants, and I'm so happy
Speaker 2: because they're all thirty n CM and I feel like.
Speaker 1: Finally, finally, finally, it has happened to me. My pants
Speaker 1: are correctly fitting. I'm very happy for you. So happy.
Speaker 1: Pants are really tough. They can be some of the toughest.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about how that it's it's a deeply
Speaker 1: personal journey, and it's sometimes it's lifelong. I still am
Speaker 1: not really finding the right genes. I've avoided jeans. I'm
Speaker 1: finally ready to go back into jeans. You really don't
Speaker 1: wear jeans. They don't look good on me. But I
Speaker 1: believe it's like my journey with love. I believe it's
Speaker 1: out there. But I have had bad luck, and I
Speaker 1: may maybe it's because I'm not genetically built for it. No, girl,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we're gonna do. Next time I'm
Speaker 1: in New York. We're gonna go to APC. I love APC.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get you some jeans because we're gonna figure
Speaker 2: this out. We're gonna get to the bottom of this one, okay,
Speaker 2: because there's no reason you should be feeling anything but
Speaker 2: excited about your legs, which are aspa ration.
Speaker 1: No, they need to be contextualized properly with the right shoes,
Speaker 1: the right short, right shorts or pants. You are so
Speaker 1: powerful in a short, I know, but I can't wear
Speaker 1: them all the time because the legs are legging. I
Speaker 1: love my legs, but I'm saying the pants, the way
Speaker 1: that pants are produced in this world not meant for me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the bottom of this, okay.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's how I feel about shirts, Like sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 2: because my torso is on the long side, I feel
Speaker 2: like oftentimes like something will fit me on the shoulders
Speaker 2: and then be like a little too short on the bottom,
Speaker 2: which is never something anyone.
Speaker 1: Needs, no of course, But Matt, you you are a
Speaker 1: very well proportioned person. You know this.
Speaker 2: Hey, Bobby, all right, so this will be bowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think it's the honey that's always so exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he has one minute on the clock and bone Dan,
Speaker 1: I don't think so many time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, this video game Final Fantasy Sevin Rebirth.
Speaker 1: It is stoppering all culture consumption for me. It's the
Speaker 1: first thing I do when I wake up. It's the
Speaker 1: last thing I do before I go to bed. I
Speaker 1: am three episodes behind on Drag Race, and you know
Speaker 1: I need to catch up because our Good Girl Joke
Speaker 1: and Booster is guest judging next week. This week, oh,
Speaker 1: this week, this week, I have not watched a single
Speaker 1: Housewives reunion from between Miami and Beverly Hills, and I'm
Speaker 1: usually up up to speed on all that second. It
Speaker 1: was a struggle. It felt like homework watching The Traders finale,
Speaker 1: and I never thought I would say those words. I
Speaker 1: was on a reading tear with my books, and all
Speaker 1: of it has stopped because of this game that is
Speaker 1: so beautiful, so effervescently fun, narratively doing so many things
Speaker 1: that I've never seen done in media before five seconds.
Speaker 1: This game is a celebration of video games in general.
Speaker 1: It is a celebration of fun, and that's why I
Speaker 1: love it, and that's why I can't get away from it.
Speaker 1: That's one minute. So that was one of those sneaky
Speaker 1: I don't think, Sohney, is that I thought how much
Speaker 1: I love about it, and I was like really shocked.
Speaker 1: My qualm is that I haven't been able to do
Speaker 1: anything else. It's disruptive. It's disruptively good. It's disruptively good.
Speaker 1: I mean, Matt. This game has you play these like
Speaker 1: mini games that are like, oh, you're you're thrown around
Speaker 1: a soccer ball for five minutes. Oh, you're playing a
Speaker 1: card game which is amazing, by the way, called Queen's Blood.
Speaker 1: Oh it's such a sleigh but it makes you First.
Speaker 1: I normally don't give a shit about these minigames in
Speaker 1: video games. I'm like, let's just keep it moving, Let's
Speaker 1: get the main thing going. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: distracted by these side things. No, the side things are
Speaker 1: just as fun. I want to win at the side gas.
Speaker 1: I want to achieve the highest rank at the side games.
Speaker 1: There's a game where you played the piano and you
Speaker 1: have to like it's like Dance Dancer Revolution, which you
Speaker 1: know is very formative for me. This game is pure fun,
Speaker 1: pure fun. Oh, I have another adem think so money
Speaker 1: really quickly? Okay, I don't think so, honey, Alex English, No, No, no,
Speaker 1: just very very very Alex English. He changed I got
Speaker 1: Steff on on air on SNL for this Lisa Temecula sketch.
Speaker 1: This was really good. He switched up the cue cards
Speaker 1: on me. Aga was supposed to have the line I
Speaker 1: am neurodiverger, but she did not say neurodivergent. She said
Speaker 1: something else. But then instead I see on the cards
Speaker 1: points to Bowen before the next line. And I have
Speaker 1: never felt a more pure, even blend of horror and
Speaker 1: joy than that moment. It was so fucking It was
Speaker 1: the craziest moment of my life. I thought, I was like,
Speaker 1: nothing's going to be like you know, the first Lisa
Speaker 1: in terms of like, oh, because we're black, Like that
Speaker 1: was my soul left my body. This was something else,
Speaker 1: but just as thrilling and satisfying. I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is the craziest thing for Ago to point to
Speaker 1: me and say that line is fucking demonic and Alex English,
Speaker 1: I love you to death, but you are you are
Speaker 1: dast You're on burn Notice you're preemptively you guys got burned.
Speaker 2: Here's your notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so funny.
Speaker 2: What a great episode altogether. That was like I actually
Speaker 2: all my friends went out and I stayed home to
Speaker 2: like watch it because I was like, I needed a
Speaker 2: night off anyway, because we did game show on Friday,
Speaker 2: I went out Saturday.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch Ari.
Speaker 2: Well, I had to intel that there was going to
Speaker 2: be some special sketches, and I did want to see
Speaker 2: her live performances, and they were great. And I had
Speaker 2: serious fomo because I know that a lot of the
Speaker 2: a lot of girls were there. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 2: saw you guys playing What are you guys seeing karaoke
Speaker 2: or playing video games?
Speaker 1: Afterwards? What were you guys? We were saying karaoke in
Speaker 1: my office, But Ben Plat, Noah Galvin were there. I
Speaker 1: heard we were all hanging out in Nari's dressing room.
Speaker 1: After the show. She had to hop on a jet
Speaker 1: right to go right to La to go to the
Speaker 1: Oscars and getting glam. Yeah, she did not mix the
Speaker 1: after party. But she loves Josh and Air and she
Speaker 1: loves Dix the Musical. And I will reveal that Josh
Speaker 1: did did dare her. He goes, I will pay you
Speaker 1: one dollar if for best original song, you open up
Speaker 1: the envelope and say it's a tie between Dix the
Speaker 1: Musical and Theater Camp one dollar. She couldn't make that happen.
Speaker 1: She said, Okay, I'll think about it. Okay, just doing
Speaker 1: the bit obviously, but just being like, okay, yeah, let
Speaker 1: me let me.
Speaker 2: Anythink about how I can make that work. Anyway, It
Speaker 2: was a very it was a very fun night.
Speaker 1: But I'm in La next week for you know, undisclosed
Speaker 1: reasons having to do with the podcast maybe, but I
Speaker 1: want to go out. I want to have a night
Speaker 1: out with you, with my girl and the girls and
Speaker 1: the other girls maybe post drag race.
Speaker 2: That can be arranged. That can be arranged for sure.
Speaker 2: In fact, there is a there is something happening, so
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you off air about it. But just
Speaker 2: final words, I just want to say my best dress
Speaker 2: was a tie between Sondra Schuler and Mulligan care both
Speaker 2: Black was in, Black was in I thought they were stunning.
Speaker 2: Sandra Huler was giving me like glamorous, like movie star
Speaker 2: of yesteryear. I loved her sleek, pony's tail, hair, the shoulder,
Speaker 2: it was powerful.
Speaker 1: I thought she was a real winner.
Speaker 2: Her movies did amazing and she may not have won,
Speaker 2: but she looked incredible. I'm super like in awe of
Speaker 2: her and Carrie Mulligan looked unbelievable, so fucking chic and elegant,
Speaker 2: like the mermaid bottom of that dress, the gloves, like.
Speaker 1: The cutout scalloped, the scalloped thing. Oh, just so fucking gorgeous.
Speaker 2: She looked absolutely stunning, like for real, for real, I
Speaker 2: do I'm biased, but Cynthia and Urie looked amazing.
Speaker 1: Johnny ally fucking chic, cunty choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they looked very good together. I'm sure obviously that
Speaker 2: was like, you know, by design, yeah, representing.
Speaker 1: I do want to shout out Gucci did some beautiful
Speaker 1: dresses for Lily, for Lily Gladstone, oh yeah, for the
Speaker 1: show and for the Vanity Fair party. Like both of
Speaker 1: her dresses were fucking stunning and such beautiful homages or
Speaker 1: just like tributes to like Native dress, like just so beautiful,
Speaker 1: like the feather motif and that color for the Oscars down,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's so stunning.
Speaker 2: The ear They're gorgeous, and I really feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just the beginning and like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's truly us, and you know, they said they really
Speaker 2: want to host SNL.
Speaker 1: I would love for them to host SNL. I think
Speaker 1: they would be amazing. And I have tea not on Lily,
Speaker 1: but I will say I have on good authority that
Speaker 1: Lily's mother watches SNL every week and calls me her son,
Speaker 1: I'm gagging Lily Gladstone and mother says, my son is on.
Speaker 1: Look at my son. I'm Lily's brother.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is so gorgeous. Well, we're fans
Speaker 2: of Lily. Lily was performing some Killers of the Flower
Speaker 2: Moon was just beautiful, and there's gonna be much more.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about this Hulu show. I did not know
Speaker 2: they were the star of this Hulu show. I just
Speaker 2: only saw the preview during the Oscars and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: what's that has Riley Kyoh.
Speaker 1: Who's like he's so fucking good good. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: And then I wanted to say two other things, which
Speaker 2: is I feel like we haven't really gotten to talk
Speaker 2: about this, but two things everyone should go see which
Speaker 2: are literally created by friends of ours and starring friends
Speaker 2: of ours. The first of which is The Emma Stone, produced,
Speaker 2: written and directed by Julio Torres.
Speaker 1: Fantastic.
Speaker 2: This was great fucking till the Switton's amazing and it
Speaker 2: like Julio has done it again, like Greta Titleman is
Speaker 2: in it, Greta Lee, j Sully, Riza, fucking you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's got such a great cast.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, River Ramirez, like.
Speaker 1: Just the funniest human like god, so good, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so good, just like I mean, gotta go
Speaker 1: see that one. And then of course we haven't even
Speaker 1: mentioned it, but oh Mary, oh Mary is I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're in New York and you're not fighting tooth
Speaker 1: and noil to go see this or you haven't already,
Speaker 1: you are not doing it right. The funniest theater ever
Speaker 1: I think, ever, it's so funny, like I mean, Cole
Speaker 1: Escola just incredible. There are idol and has always have been,
Speaker 1: like the best in the biz.
Speaker 2: Again James Kelly also in that a little moment for
Speaker 2: James Kelly lately and uh Conrad Rickmora and just the best.
Speaker 2: Like so you gotta go see old Mary. You will
Speaker 2: not be disappointed. It is so good.
Speaker 1: It feels with understudies by Peter Smith and Hannasolo good
Speaker 1: friends of ours as well. Yes, yes, all around, just
Speaker 1: great things, good peeps and all that and yeah, this
Speaker 1: was This was last colch, This was last college. This
Speaker 1: is a long episode of Last Coach. I know. We
Speaker 1: end with the song something of Bed is made for
Speaker 1: some bad made me go on. You picked her key too.
Speaker 1: You usually never do that. I never do that. For
Speaker 1: more of that, listened to Eternal Sunshine, Bye True Story.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do Bye Bye