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Speaker 1: Sure, she could have very easily made this a reputation album,

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Speaker 2: I have to say, like I Wish I hated you

435
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: like that is really ultimately at the end, the fact

436
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: that that's really the last song that's about the old

437
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: relationship before she ends it like in a state of

438
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: peace about the fact that like she's going to try

439
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: to step forward like and really like actualize this.

440
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: Thing that she deeply believes is the love of her life.

441
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: Like the last thing that she says is there's no

442
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: way I can justify anything other than what I will

443
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: always have for you, which is just love. Like I

444
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: got into this relationship with you. Oops.

445
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I got into this relationship with you because I

446
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: love you. And then that's actually never gonna go away,

447
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: Like even if something, even if shit really goes down,

448
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: like if shit really burns down, what's gonna always be

449
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: true is that there was so much love there.

450
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: And hopefully at the end of every relationship, like what

451
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: you can do is leave it and you can remember

452
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: what was really important was that you loved somebody and

453
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: that they loved you back, and hopefully that's always the

454
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: leaf behind.

455
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it should be. And of course situations

456
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: are ugly, and of course shit doesn't always make sense.

457
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: But I guess the last thing I'll say is that

458
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: we can't we shouldn't be demanding that people, especially artists,

459
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: be perfect. Of course, like have your opinions, like you

460
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But we're going to live in

461
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: a very boring world if everyone just acts the way

462
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: that you want them to. And if we can't ever

463
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: learn from people, and we can't ever like absorb people,

464
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: and we can't ever have like difficult situations reflected back

465
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: to us. And this is very conflicted, I think, at

466
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: times tortured, at times euphoric. Like the work asks a

467
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: lot of questions and answers some of them, Like everything

468
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: is very in process, and I you know, I hope

469
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: the best for anyone that's like representing their relationship.

470
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: Here or feel seen by the work here.

471
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: I hope that you know, everyone can find like a

472
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: piece with love in their life, you know what I mean.

473
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: But like I also know that cosmic love and those feelings,

474
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, they don't always pan out in the best way.

475
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: And here's what you can know. If anyone's going to

476
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: really pay for it, it'll be the people that took

477
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: the risks. So don't you worry out there, like if

478
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: what you really want is for people that you don't

479
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: agree with to fail, like who knows, like they just might,

480
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: But I would hope that we're not rooting for that.

481
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: No, But you know, if you are a big believer

482
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: in karma, if you think this invites karma, which I'm

483
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: here to tell you again that your set of facts

484
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: is not I'm not going to reveal the actual facts

485
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: because they're not mine to reveal, but I can say

486
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: that the matrix of information that you are using to

487
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: like draw a line to the karmaic outcome you want

488
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: is not existent.

489
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would say that, you know, even thinking

490
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: about like us going back like five years, like some

491
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: people being like, oh if this or five years ago,

492
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: they would tear her up, you know what I mean,

493
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: or like whatever, Like.

494
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: I would hope that we don't talk about these things

495
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: the same way we did five years ago, because maybe

496
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: the tone has changed for the general culture consuming population,

497
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like all of us are

498
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: kind of evaluating things differently. I mean, I don't know

499
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: what to tell you. If you get the ick from

500
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: thinking that we are like defending these people that, like

501
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: most of whom we don't really have that much of

502
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: a connection with anyway, Yeah, then fine, I'm here to

503
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: tell you, like, would you be putting your friends your

504
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: coworkers on blast? Absolutely not. Yeah, shut the fuck up.

505
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: And it's not a transactional thing. It's not that like

506
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: this is a muzzle. But like I'm just gonna say

507
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: this is someone who has been like a true friend

508
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: to me, and I I love she has shown me

509
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: like whatever, not that that buys you like she had.

510
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: But two things can be true. I believe that every

511
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: single fucking thing we just said is true. And I

512
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: also believe that you're goddamn right. If something went down,

513
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: especially during that time when you were not having an

514
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: easy time, I knew that you had someone that was

515
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: like really looking out for you and really writing hard

516
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: for you and like really being there for you. And

517
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: I will be fucking grateful to that person forever because

518
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: there's nothing I care about more than you and the

519
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: fact that someone had your back.

520
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what we are gonna fucking have that person's

521
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: back anyway. That's the album. I love it.

522
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: I fucking love that, and also like not for nothing,

523
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: but it will be so identifiable with a moment, and

524
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: she should feel so proud of herself. I said, you

525
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: know who's definitely proud of her for this, fucking Mariah.

526
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: Mariah would have made this album if she was already

527
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: on his age and like if this was like that

528
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: moment in time for her.

529
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: This album reminds me of many ways of Butterfly. It

530
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: reminds me of like, you know, it reminds me of

531
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: like new era Mariah, because I do believe where this

532
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: is new era Ari, Like she talks about how you know,

533
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: it's equal parts to Mariah and image and heap. I

534
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: think that is so executed.

535
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: So well, And I don't know what I care about

536
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: ultimately is that fucking art is good and interesting and

537
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: makes people think, it makes people feel.

538
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: This is all those things to me, well fucking done.

539
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's this is definitely gonna be one

540
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: of my favorite albums of the year and I will

541
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: listen to it forever. And I fucking love positions. I

542
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: love when Ariana Grande is like yuh, yuh, my pussy

543
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: is a strawberry.

544
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: Like don't don't get me wrong, Like I love pussy

545
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: is a strawberry, right, you know what I mean? Like

546
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: I love I'm rich love it and like, but like

547
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy for her too to

548
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: just do an album with that and sidestep this whole

549
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: thing and be like it's me Ari yet. Yeah, but

550
00:29:50,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: like she did, there's not a a miss. Okay, what

551
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: else is there in the culture that you want to

552
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: talk about? I thought they were like one of the

553
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: best oscars I'd seen in a while. Like I thought

554
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: they were delightful, it wasn't like an amazing show for

555
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: me personally, although I think the wind never is. It

556
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: never is. The winds were very satisfying up until I

557
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: would say the end maybe, but not like all of

558
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: them at the end. But I will say I mean

559
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: the Boy and the hairn winning were things winning the

560
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: technical oscars. I was like, okay, like this is there's

561
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: an even spread here. I am like, oh, kind of

562
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: a bummer that the only two shutouts within Best Picture

563
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: were Killers, the Fire Moon and Maestro. Not a bummer,

564
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: but it's like it would have been. It kind of

565
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: would have been like a great thing if like all

566
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: ten movies had gotten some flowers. That's all. Yeah.

567
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: I think that, like ultimately, the Oppenheimer of it all

568
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: is kind of all because I feel like at least

569
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: I can speak for myself. I went out of my

570
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: way to see everything. I did end up seeing Killers.

571
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: I did end up seeing out of interest zone, which

572
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: was hard. But I a one hundred percent agree with

573
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: it winning what it won. I think the best Sound

574
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: win is a really inspired choice because sound is so

575
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: crucial to the success and how hard that movie hits.

576
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: But it beating Oppenheimer was obviously a surprise. But I

577
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: guess the big note there is in terms of sound,

578
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: one thing we need to be able to.

579
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Hear is the dialogue.

580
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh so that would be I guess my thing about Oppenheimer,

581
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: which I respect, it's when I understand and respect that

582
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: people feel that that's by far the best movie of

583
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: the year.

584
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I do disagree. And I say this as a Christopher

585
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Nolan fucking super fan I am. I am Dark Knight hive.

586
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I love Inception.

587
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: You can catch me weeping to Interstellar, like you know

588
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I love Christopher Nolan. I just

589
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: think this almost tough because the length, and I do

590
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: think the sound mixing is an issue. But you know,

591
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: it did run away with pretty much everything.

592
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: What I liked.

593
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Was I love poor Things, and I feel like when

594
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: it started to win earlier in the night, I was like, oh,

595
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: maybe this like two horse Race, isn't really going Lily

596
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: Gladstone's way. And just to speak to the Lily Gladstone

597
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: and m Stone of it, all that could have gone

598
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: either way. It would have been an incredible moment had

599
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: Lily Gladstone won the Oscar. But if you haven't seen

600
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: Poor Things, then you should. And I wish that people

601
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't take Lily Gladstone's Oscar loss out on emmastone because

602
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: that is so unfair, and that is, of course the

603
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: way the discourse has gone, because as we've just said,

604
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: the discourse is toxic and decides it has to be

605
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: one thing and it's so black and white. There has

606
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: to be heroes and villains. So Lily Gladstone has to

607
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: be a hero here and Emma Stone has to be

608
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: a villain here because she's won the Oscar. When Emma

609
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Stone is fucking talented as shit, what she decides to

610
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: do with her movie stardom is like produce things like

611
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: Poor Things, which is thought provoking and radical and feminist

612
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: and really cool, and she's producing problemsta like please miss

613
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: me with like she's emblematic with racism and like some

614
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: sort of like bigger thing than it is, Like, do

615
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: not take it out on her if you're disappointed for Lily,

616
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: that's fine. Her career is forever change. She's now an

617
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: Oscar nominated actress. She's the most famous person coming out

618
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: of that conversation because everyone's rooting for her and wanting

619
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: her next thing, her career will be fine, Like it

620
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be fuck Emma Stone.

621
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: There's also this other thing going on where everyone's like, well,

622
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: she should have done supporting Lily should have done supporting,

623
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: and then she would have won. It's this weird kind

624
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: of post mortem. But Kyle Buchanan was saying this, it's like, no,

625
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: by campaigning herself for lead, she's telling Hollywood, I am

626
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: alle taking me seriously, taking me seriously. Absolutely, she should

627
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: have no regrets. No one should believe that she should

628
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: have done things any differently. She pulled off a flawless

629
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: campaign start to finish, not a single misstep. And yes,

630
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: it's frustrating that she did not take home the trophy,

631
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: but she is coming out of this a full winner.

632
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: She is moving forward with complete power and grace and

633
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: everything that she deserves.

634
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: No super excited for I mean, I saw she's the

635
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: lead of that Hulu show that looks really good. She

636
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: won the sag Award, She's won a Golden Globe, like

637
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: and now, sometimes I think like that helps propel a narrative,

638
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like Emma Stone wins this Oscar.

639
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: By the way, no one looked more mortified than emm

640
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: a Stone.

641
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: Like that reaction.

642
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: Shot of her winning that Oscar, you could tell she

643
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: didn't want it like this, you know what I mean.

644
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: But also it's like last year with the Kate Blanchette

645
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: and Michelle Yo of it all, you get a sense

646
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: that Kate Blynchett started like campaigning for Michelle Yo because

647
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: she could feel this heat breathing on her neck of like,

648
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: if you win, fuck you the person you'll have taken

649
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: it from. It's like, it shouldn't be about that. What's

650
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: important is the art. What's important is that last year,

651
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: the Michelle Yo and Kate Lynchett year, we had two

652
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: towering performances that were so different that we're given by

653
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: people that are the best in their fields. And yes,

654
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: the Oscar was won by Michelle Yo. It felt incredible.

655
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: It was so deserved. It was what I was rooting for.

656
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: But what's really important is the art that they created.

657
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: What's important is that we created the character of Evelyn.

658
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: What's important is that we created the character of Lydia

659
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: Tar And by we, of course I mean them, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

660
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: that's ultimately what's important and this Oscar thing. This like

661
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: winning losing narrative is like it doesn't mean that person

662
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: is a loser.

663
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: It just means that it means that like one of

664
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: them won an Oscar. Like now we know the story

665
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: of Molly and we know Bella Baster Is this like

666
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: really fun your ghost character? Like there is like an

667
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: O Sage narrative that is like us Hersesey directed film,

668
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, I don't know, not

669
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: that we're like revolutionizing the way to think about this

670
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: or to like taught to like have the discord, but

671
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: it's like if I frame it in that way, it's

672
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: like it's incredible that like this was the Oscars race

673
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it's a weird. Yeah, I mean someone

674
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: did a super cut of like Emma's reaction shot to

675
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: the wind and then like cutting to like screenshots of

676
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: the discorse and whatever. Like it's just I did see

677
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: that the spectator sport of it is like a little

678
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: gratuitous in a way that's fun and like that's why

679
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: we love Award Season. But it just feels like it

680
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: gets longer and longer every year, and by extension a

681
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: little bit more exhausting and draining. So that by the

682
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: time it's past Sunday, I'm like, I don't really want

683
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: to think about these movies ever again. Is that bad? Yeah? No,

684
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: one hundred percent.

685
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like the season is very long because

686
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: it feels like it starts in September and goes to March,

687
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: March to the point where like Oscar season, like give

688
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: me a break, like this is just what it is.

689
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I loved. And I'm clapping for

690
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: the writer's branch because we picked two great movies. These

691
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: are the categories that I like always am elbiting about

692
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: because I just always want like the right script to

693
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: be solidified.

694
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: With this Oscar whim you are a writer down. I

695
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: love that, I would.

696
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: Say Anatomy of a Fall that was one of my

697
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: favorite movies of the year. They tore that script up

698
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: like incredible and then American Fiction. I absolutely loved it

699
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: was so great and Core Jefferson, I just want to

700
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: shout out because.

701
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: That speech was incredible.

702
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: What he used his time to say was so worth

703
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: it and it was so meaningful and it was so

704
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: true and you can feel everyone being like, yes, that

705
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: is that is exactly right, Like instead of a two

706
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar budgeted movie that may or may not fail,

707
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: and then we all have to pay for that, like

708
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: in terms of like you know, the fact that we

709
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: don't have the opportunity to see smaller budgeted things because

710
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: all the budget went to that one thing that may

711
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: or may not be good, because those are the movies

712
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: that are more likely to be put together by committee

713
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: artistically in a like on an executive level, like we're

714
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: just the soul of the film industry is like dying

715
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: and more and more every single year, and it's because

716
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: we are not investing in more talent and like ideas

717
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: that are like interesting, actually interesting. He said, make tons

718
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: of smaller budgeted movies and invest in more stories and

719
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: more talent than this one big budgeted movie.

720
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Speaker 1: And I really do believe that's the way too. I

721
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with him more. And there he is holding

722
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: an oscar on stage for one of those modestly budgeted movies,

723
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: and so he's in a position of power to speak

724
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: to that, and I'm really grateful that he did, and

725
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: I really respect him. He's speaking as a writer and

726
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: a director. It's like incredible. I mean that the impact

727
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: of that sorry to Francis McDorman, But I mean inclusion writer.

728
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: Has that impacted at all? I hope, I want to

729
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: say it has, but I've not seen that be the norm.

730
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: And that's not a ding on Francis. No. But I

731
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: think this could actually, hopefully, like have some impact. I

732
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: think hopefully. So everyone was watching, I really like I

733
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: was watching with House and Whitaker and Tom and we

734
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: were all up cheering friends with Jefferson. I believe they

735
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: worked together. They were together, And then Whitaker showed us

736
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: photo of them watching the Oscars together like five years ago,

737
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: just like hanging out. I was just like, what a beautiful.

738
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: He seems like such a great guy and it feels

739
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: like he's very beloved, and I'm really I mean, if

740
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: you haven't seen an American fiction, you should definitely check it out.

741
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's really smart, it's a brand new.

742
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: And check out the Good Place on Peacock.

743
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to check out the Good Place on Peacock.

744
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: It's really smart, it's brand new.

745
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: I do miss the Good Place. Good Place was great.

746
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: I love the Good Place. Good Place was a lot

747
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: of fun. Can you believe they gave Messy the dog

748
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: from anatomy of a fall a seat at the Oscars.

749
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Messi had a full seat. Messi had a full seat,

750
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: but everyone was very up in arms out the puppet,

751
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: the applause pre tape, m M. They shot that beforehand,

752
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: which you know, like it's a as well trained as

753
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: Messi is, as much of a professional and an amazing

754
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: actor as he is, you can't tell him and communicate

755
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: these things. He can't, like explain that this is an

756
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: award show and you're here because you did it a

757
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: great job.

758
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Messi is capable of so much, including performing an overdose

759
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: an anatomy of a ball. I don't know, bitch. I

760
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: think they could have talked the dog to clap in

761
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: real time.

762
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm with the mob on this one. Oh gosh,

763
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: did you see the shot of Messi at the end

764
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: of the broadcast of Messi like raising his leg up

765
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: to pee on Matt Damon's Hollywood Walk of Fame star.

766
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: I didn't see that, but I love it. Little Jimmy

767
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Kimmel joke, Little Jimmy joke. I thought Jimmy Kimmel was great.

768
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that it was really fun. Also,

769
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: shout out Lewis Vertel he wrote for the Oscars. He

770
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: did a lot of the monologue. I know that was

771
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: his lifelong dream.

772
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: So I just want to shout congratulations to that fucking bitch.

773
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, I fucking one of my favorite

774
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: things about any award show is when Billie Eilish is there.

775
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: She's just I fucking love her. She's so fucking good.

776
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: I just love watching her perform. I love that song

777
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: so much.

778
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it won.

779
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm so happy it got everything it deserved. You know,

780
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: it's the first song since My Heart will go on

781
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: to win Song of the Year at the Grammys, and yeah,

782
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: for Best Original Song.

783
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: Culturally, it has that impact, you know what I mean,

784
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: like like nuts and shallow, Like Oher was saying this,

785
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: like it seems like every five years or so, Best

786
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: Original Song feels like the category of the night.

787
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really because we're honoring a cultural moment,

788
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: which I feel like keeps that category alive in a

789
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: way totally.

790
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: But like the gaps in between those years feel like

791
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: conciliatory almost. I mean so literally five years ago was shallow,

792
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just like, oh my god,

793
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: this one, what a moment you know, like I know,

794
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I think we kept calling it the shallow shot, which

795
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: was like shooting with the audience and frame like I'm

796
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: behind so funny, oh man, Yeah, and shout out to

797
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: Becky G. Shout out to Becky G. That cutaway to

798
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: Diane and Eva Longoria, I mean that did you.

799
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: Hear about this controversy? Like apparently Diane Warren flipped a

800
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: ship when Cynthia and Arianna were announcing Best Original Song,

801
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: because Cynthia was like, tonight we've seen nominees for Best Song,

802
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: and Ariana goes and the Oscar goes too, and just

803
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: open the envelope whether or not she was supposed to

804
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: say the nominees versus in dispute. But Diane Warren apparently

805
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: started screaming and was running around furious because Arianna hadn't

806
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: like said the nominees, which means that Diane Warren didn't

807
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: get her like.

808
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Name read out, this is the rumor that's happening.

809
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: And apparently Eva Longoria saw Diane start to spin out

810
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: and she went to the bar.

811
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm not handling this. She was like,

812
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: I Am not dealing with this. She was like I

813
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna be off the fucking clock. She goes, bitch,

814
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: I got the fire inside. I am out of here, bitch,

815
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: this is endgame. I directed this movie. I am love.

816
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm just happy and grateful that I got the Oscar

817
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: nom Yeah, miss me with that Diane. We love Diane.

818
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Though we love Diane, I mean say, don't go famous

819
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: song the woman wrote because you love Me? But like

820
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

821
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: At the moment, I was like, I was like, oh,

822
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: is she opening that envelope a little early? But then

823
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: now I'm kind of happy because I do love that

824
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: there was drama.

825
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Ari and al Pacino not naming the nomies. I think

826
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: that was just like a programming note, a production, just

827
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: like to be. I was like, let's let's keep it

828
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: moving because the songs were shortened too. The songs were

829
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: very like we're like, very abbreviated, I thought, except for

830
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm just ken and what was I made for? Which

831
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, I guess, oh, just so. I loved that

832
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: he was great, like I just felt good he got it,

833
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: and also like to be that relaxed and singing live

834
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: on the oscars, like that's really cool shit.

835
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean, especially for someone who we know, you know,

836
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: people who know know he is a singer, but like

837
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: not really known for being like some live singer. Like yeah, yeah,

838
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: it was really good. The whole thing. You could tell.

839
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: It was like a very joyous performance. I love that

840
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 1: they gave Barbie as much real estate on the show

841
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: as they did, even though it only won the one award,

842
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: because it was one of the stories of the year obviously, absolutely,

843
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: And back to Billy, like, it was just that first

844
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: shot of Ryan in the audience, like Billy is cracking up,

845
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: cutting up. I'm like, yeah, I was like, oh, this

846
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: is a great vibe, like like the Barbie that whole

847
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: Barbie group is like, so it feels like such good vibes.

848
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: Everyone's just like really really I don't know, like very

849
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: like basking in like this journey that they've all been on,

850
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: which ended that night, you know, like yeah, Margo fucking

851
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: looked stunning, Greta looked amazing. Yeah, all of it. America Snatch,

852
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: America Snatched. I did have one moment of just like, oh, right,

853
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: I could I was supposed to be you were supposed

854
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: to be in that, and that's all I like acknowledge

855
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: about it. But I was just like, oh my god.

856
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: And then you cut to you at home, like staring

857
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: at the space wended.

858
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: I will say one of the fun moments of the

859
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: show was Rita Morano presenting America.

860
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Fererra America America. I love that. I thought it was great.

861
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: I love the Fab five coming out and doing the speeches.

862
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: I love that.

863
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: I will say if I have one thing, it was

864
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 2: Charlie's really flopped hers.

865
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: Like I've never been stung by a jellyfish. Cut to that,

866
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: bending like, oh, this is what we're doing.

867
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: Like I think Charlie's was trying to give it like

868
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: a gravitas that like was not placed correctly, like it

869
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: was obviously a joke, like if you have to lean

870
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 2: on it a little bit, but she tried to play

871
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: this like middle ground or like underplay it, like you

872
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: can't underplay I've never been stung by a jellyfish. But

873
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: watching you and Benning, I felt like I had you

874
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: can't that there's nothing yeah, you know, there's nothing emotional

875
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: about that, Like.

876
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: No, there's no grip there, there's no purchase, like lean

877
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: on it a little bit, Charlie ease, like we got

878
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: we have to understand that it's a joke. Because then

879
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: at the end. It was just so funny because the

880
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: Net Benning's sitting there, She's already she had to get

881
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: a dressed for this. She was like she so she didn't,

882
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: but like she's sitting there. And then at the end

883
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: of that thing, though Charlie's speech, she kind of goes

884
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: like you can see her kind of like tilts her

885
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: head and be like, eh, a net Benning, what about

886
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: George model for award show behavior was like fuck this,

887
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a Mother of the Bride yep garment. I

888
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. I'm gonna wear my fucking tinted glasses.

889
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: And those were chic. Those were chic. Her most animated

890
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: moment all night was Kimmel at the end doing like

891
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: the Trump jail time. Patrick and I were laughing laughing

892
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: because she was like a mad She was so tickled

893
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: by it, and that was down for that Trump drag.

894
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: She was really down for it. It's just Patrick also,

895
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: House was like.

896
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: Patrick was rooting for a net the whole night. I mean, yeah,

897
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: he was at and honestly, I loved a Net bending

898
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: and Nightet. I talked about it a couple weeks ago,

899
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: like it was so good, but what else oh love

900
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: Divine's speech, like that was so great, Like Robert Downey Junior.

901
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: I thought we frontloaded our speeches this season. Like it's

902
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: hard when you keep seeing the same person go up

903
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: again again again, because by the time Oscar night comes around,

904
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: it feels like anointed in a way, and the speeches

905
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: feel less, you know what I mean. Like I feel

906
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: like one of the only people that really worked all

907
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: the way up to giving her best speech was Divine.

908
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: And then you know, not everyone else nailed the speeches.

909
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: But hey, but hey, that's Hollywood. That's Hollywood. Maybe not

910
00:47:53,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: everyone nails the speeches. Not everyone nails the speeches. Did

911
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: you see Dune yet? Speaking of Hollywood, I have not

912
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: seen doing I'm going to this week, but I can't

913
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: wait to see Timmy ride that worm. I can't wait

914
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: for the ghost of Oscar Isaac. I guess he's not

915
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: in it. Oh, he's in the credits. He's credited in

916
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: Doune too. I like looked it up. I was like,

917
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: did they credit Oscar Isaac? I know Momoa is not

918
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: credited because of what happens, but for some reason Oscar.

919
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: Maybe I looked at the wrong thing. But I could

920
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: have sworn that Oscar Isaac was listed as a starring

921
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: actor in Doune Too, and I was like, Oh, I

922
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: guess they like do a flashback or something. I don't know. Mimoa.

923
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Momoa is not credited in June Too. He's not in it, right,

924
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, but did I say Oscar Isaac? Yeah,

925
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: Oscar Isaac is credited in June Too. I believe he

926
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: is not in it either, because he's not in the movie.

927
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: But why would Momoa Momoa? He's not in this He

928
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: was in the first one. He was, Yes, Jason Momoa,

929
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Jason Momoo shaved shaved Jason Momoa. But if I was,

930
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: I think he looks hotter without the beard. Sorry, Jason. Oh, Okay, interesting,

931
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even remember that. Okay. So the thing about

932
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: dunes is I definitely go see them, but I am

933
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: miserable almost every second while I'm watching them, And then

934
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: the second I leave, I can't stop thinking. You're like,

935
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: I love that. But but while because you feel sand,

936
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: you feel the sand. I don't like to be sandy.

937
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: People know that, like, and I'm always worried about people's

938
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: ocular health, like because of all the dust and all

939
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: the sand, and also the context they have to keep

940
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: putting in their eyes. I'm just so concerned about Timmy

941
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: and Zenda and sort of their eyes and their nostrils,

942
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: and Javier as well. I will say my favorite part

943
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: of these movies is Rebecca Ferguson amazing protect her at

944
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: all costs, Lady Jessica is that girl. The performance that

945
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: she gives in this and the first one I thought

946
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: were great, Like, this is the kind of thing I

947
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: would like to see it.

948
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: I'm nation four, like, so so so good.

949
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: She's so like, it's like this mixture of unbothered and

950
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: completely physically tortured, which I takes me laugh and gives

951
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: me a thrill. Loved her talking to her baby Annia

952
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: Taylor Joy, and then loved the one scene with Anna

953
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: Taylor Joy. I hope she got paid one hundred thousand

954
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: dollars for being a day.

955
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: Player at least. I was like, literally all I could

956
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: think about.

957
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: I saw it with Ade Schwartz and I was like,

958
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: I left and I was like, how much do you

959
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: think they paid?

960
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: Anya? I think the root of Rebecca Ferguson is unbothered.

961
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: I think you see an interview She's like, oh, what

962
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: is this. I don't give a fuck, but it's so charming.

963
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: I love her.

964
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: I think we need to get we need to give

965
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: her way more. I think she is actually top one

966
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: percent of the talent in Hollywood.

967
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: It's her.

968
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: But I was looking at her IMDb because I was,

969
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: of course trying to track down which from the greatest

970
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: Showman to do. Oh yeah, I was like, no, well

971
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: that obviously, but she was out. She made news because

972
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: she said, like.

973
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something.

974
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: It was an act years ago, total assho and he

975
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: was mean to me on set and I never forgot it,

976
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: and like.

977
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, do you think it is? Well,

978
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: I have my opinions, but I'm oh, you're protecting celebrities. No.

979
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: Fine, I'll just say I think, looking at it, it's

980
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: either Michael Fassbender or Jake Jillenhall. And then I watched

981
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: interviews with both of them because this is how on

982
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: the case I was, and it seemed like, at least

983
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: in terms of the press presentation, that she could do

984
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 2: relationships with both of them. So what I'll say about

985
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 2: Rebecca Ferguson and all this is she was incredibly honest

986
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: in that last interview and she's also incredibly good at

987
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: press because you cannot tell which person it is that

988
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: was cruel to her on set, to the point where

989
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: she was like, I have used to work with you today,

990
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, but that is but that is what she

991
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: has said, so much smoke and mirrors out there.

992
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Should we talk about the royal family? Because this is

993
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: eating my ass up. I was going to say, I

994
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: was gonna transition. I was gonna say, Rebecca is one

995
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: of our great brets, and to go to some ungreat brets,

996
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about this whole fuck it thing. Let's fucking go.

997
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: So that is the craziest photo I've ever seen in

998
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: my life. I can't believe they thought that was gonna fly.

999
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: It's completely unhinged.

1000
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: Either these are the dumbest people in the world or

1001
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: they think we're the dumbest people in the world.

1002
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: And maybe it's both. I think it's both. That window

1003
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: on the left, I'm not even looking at it. I

1004
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: can just just all of it is. So what's the

1005
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: word eerie? Like really disturbing? So disturbing this photo.

1006
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: They're eerie and disturbing people. So for those of you

1007
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: who don't know, like Kate Middleton has been. I think

1008
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: everyone knows at this point. I mean, I'm sure everyone knows,

1009
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: but Kate Middleton's been missing. And they released this photo

1010
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: of her that was so clearly like either AI or

1011
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: photoshop or something that was just like me and my

1012
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: children together definitely today, and everyone was like, that's obviously fake.

1013
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1014
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: And then they announced I think she made a statement

1015
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: taking credit for that and was like, I'm so sorry

1016
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: that was me.

1017
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm an amateur photographer. I dabble in photoshop.

1018
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: First of all, Mama, Kate Middleton, you were not on

1019
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: photoshop putting this photo together.

1020
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: Like, no way, no way, you barely know how to

1021
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: use a computer. I can't believe the lengths they are

1022
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: going to cover up what is going on, which, by

1023
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: the way, the cat's out of the bag, because did

1024
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: you see that clip from Big Brother UK? No tell

1025
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: me bowin fucking Echen Sue is now on Big Brother

1026
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: UK with I guess like a relative of Kate Middleton,

1027
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: and so in the Big Brother House, Ecken Sue asked,

1028
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: and this is you can see a video of this

1029
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: because it's the Big Brother House. She goes, I have

1030
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: to ask you, like where is Kate and her cousin

1031
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: or something, or her uncle or something, sighs and goes,

1032
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, they've asked me not to talk about it,

1033
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: but just she's getting the best care. He literally says

1034
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: those words she was Is she okay? And he was

1035
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I'm I really, I'm in contact

1036
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: with her mother. I'm not really supposed to talk about it,

1037
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: but like we're they're doing like what they can. I

1038
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: can't believe Eckin Sue is fucking Ecken Shou was the one.

1039
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: My god, so.

1040
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: And I literally I had to laugh because I was like, Wow,

1041
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: it's all converging in a way that's so crazy. But

1042
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: what's obviously happening is she's ill, she's not well, and

1043
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: for some reason they feel the need to cover that

1044
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: up or not tell the truth about this. To the

1045
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: fact that they would now outwardly lie and misrepresent things.

1046
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: They gotta go. They can't be trusted, They can't be trusted.

1047
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: This is the ghost of Diana, just like fucking up

1048
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: every single lane of this family. To me, like, there

1049
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: is no like good royal right now, I'm sorry, or

1050
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: ex royal for that matter, not one. You can't root

1051
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: for these people, No it's so crazy. There never was

1052
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: not I said that there ever was. I'm sorry, I

1053
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: keep going. Except Diana.

1054
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that this is way worse than

1055
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: they think. Like I think this is like maybe even

1056
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: the straw that breaks the camel's back, because even people

1057
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: that like didn't care about the treatment of Diana and

1058
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: didn't care about the treatment of Megan.

1059
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: Like have an issue with this because being lied to this. Yeah,

1060
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and it's just like, what would be the big deal

1061
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: about being transparent and honest about what she's going through?

1062
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: You know what is if she's very ill, like tell

1063
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: people that, Like, what would be the big deal? The

1064
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: imagery of the royal family right now is that it's

1065
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: like falling apart because of Charles, and I mean, it's

1066
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: all pretty bleak and dark. But it's like they can't

1067
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: afford to look any weaker than they already are than

1068
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: they already do.

1069
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: I think it's a total miscalculation on their part. And

1070
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: I think they obviously have the worst pr in the world.

1071
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: But I think when they've been the most powerful and

1072
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: when they've been the most beloved is when they peer

1073
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: the most human, you know what I mean, Like Elizabeth

1074
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: coming out and greeting the mourners, like William and Harry,

1075
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: like when Diana passed away, like them being so obviously

1076
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: in a state of grief and mourning, and the country

1077
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: could be there for them and rally around them, like

1078
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, even Harry and Megan leaving, Like that's a

1079
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: very like human thing in terms of like I just

1080
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: feel like they need to understand like it is through

1081
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: humanity and it is again through complexity and gray area

1082
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: that we all can truly connect. And I feel like

1083
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: they're trying to withhold this image that is now like

1084
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: we know, completely constructed, because it's starting to fall apart

1085
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: in front of my very eyes, and I'm like, what

1086
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: is this all for?

1087
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: What is this all for? It's to preserve meaning in

1088
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: like this thing that has had meaning for it, Like

1089
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like this is not a totally discount the

1090
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: royal family and like what its value is in like

1091
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: British culture and world culture. It's like the value of

1092
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: the monarchy is to like give people a sense of like, oh,

1093
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: like let's fixate on these people for all these reasons,

1094
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: and like now that the fixation is grim and dark

1095
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: and like has like a mortal element to it, it's

1096
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: a little sad. I think like people in the UK

1097
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: would and across the world would like freak out a

1098
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: little bit, I think. But it's not that they already aren't.

1099
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: It's just that, like the smoke and mirrors of it

1100
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: is a way to keep people like somewhat sane, and

1101
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: yet it's having the opposite effect. I just think, if

1102
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: she's really ill, I hope that everything's okay. But what

1103
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: they're telegraphing now is that everything is not okay. And

1104
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: now people are going to be panicking. Now, people are

1105
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: going to be like, even if they are to come

1106
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: out in a couple weeks or whatever and say what

1107
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: the truth is, like, who's to say that that can

1108
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: even be trusted? Right, Like at this point they have

1109
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: completely lost everyone, not everyone, but like the majority I

1110
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: think most people. Yeah, anyway, listen, speaking of Eck and Sue,

1111
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: I just really want to debrief on the Traders. Yeah,

1112
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: we have to have it on my little list. I

1113
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 1: mean that finale was eventful, It wasn't uneventful. You can't

1114
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: say nothing happened. Yeah, I do think it was just

1115
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: such a an empty finish. It was scoundrel behavior from

1116
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: Traschelle I'm just gonna put it on Trachelle honestly, and CT.

1117
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: I guess if they both went in because they both

1118
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: made that pact with each other. I am a little

1119
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: thrown by CT voting for Trischelle, Trischelle voting for CT,

1120
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: Trichell voting for CT. Yes, yes, yes, but like the

1121
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: way they like, the way they iced hat MJ was

1122
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: just so fucking crazy to me, and it was so

1123
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: sel It's just like, oh, you you couldn't have done

1124
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: a three way split just on a math level, on

1125
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: like a greed level. Is that what that was? I mean, yeah,

1126
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: it's a game totally. I did think. Yeah, I think

1127
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: what they did is above board. Okay, well we're going

1128
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: to disagree. I agree to disagree. I didn't watch the reunion,

1129
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: although someone did say, like, for people who don't watch Bravo, like,

1130
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: you have to understand how embarrassing it is for Trischelle

1131
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: to sit that far away from the center in terms

1132
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: of the gameplay.

1133
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: Ultimately, she was the only person who deserved the money,

1134
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: like her and CT, because MJ got to the end

1135
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: literally wrong every single time. I mean, she was literally

1136
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: a definition of a goat. So I understand being with

1137
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: her at the end and being like, I don't want

1138
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: to share the money with her. I mean, that's happened before,

1139
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: and it is a game, like, yes, maybe they were

1140
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: the faithfuls the whole time, and so you don't want

1141
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: to backstab it faithful.

1142
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: But it's also like you are there to win the money.

1143
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: So as a game move, I would have respected it

1144
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: had they gone in and been like, you and I

1145
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: are going to split the money like we stbby where

1146
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: let's get her out of here, because ultimately she also

1147
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: could be a trader. I do believe that Troschelle had

1148
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: a reason to believe that CT could have been a trader,

1149
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: and so when she voted for him, I was shocked.

1150
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: And then she talked it through afterwards. I was watching

1151
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: an interview with her afterwards and she talked it through,

1152
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, there were definitely times

1153
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: where his willingness to allow her to get a shield

1154
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: she read that as like, oh, he doesn't feel like

1155
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: he needs one, he's a trader. Like there were there

1156
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: were moments where I was just like, I get that reasoning,

1157
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: So I would have understood it either way.

1158
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1159
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of a bummer that

1160
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: Kate kind of stopped trying at the end, But that's.

1161
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: Kate down like she she is someone who disengages like that. Yeah,

1162
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: as we saw last season, you.

1163
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: Kind of got a lover like but being in the

1164
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: top four when there literally had to be a trader

1165
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: there because Chat had been murdered, and her being like

1166
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: I believe that everyone hears a faithful It's like, mommy,

1167
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: you just gave it away. Like but but then it's like,

1168
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't know did she throw it because she came

1169
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: in halfway through and said I don't really deserve this,

1170
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: like let's let them have the money and duke it out.

1171
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: Like I can see that. But yeah, obviously anytime anyone

1172
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: is in any of these games, I want to see

1173
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: them try to win all the money. That's just what

1174
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: I think is that's gameplay.

1175
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: I understand it's gameplay, but it is so funny, Like

1176
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: Trischelle was framing these the entire game is like an

1177
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: absolutely moral kind of like crusade where it's like the

1178
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: traders are murdering us that we are to get Like

1179
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: I kind of took it as that. I was like,

1180
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: she's taking this serious, like and I understand the shift

1181
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: to like pure gameplay towards the end. But it was

1182
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: like a, oh, I don't know, I just I just

1183
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: don't like her, that's all. She's like Gazelle levels to me.

1184
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can just tell Giselle and Troschelle are

1185
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: not your girls anyone that ends with an L except Chrishelle. Chris,

1186
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: You're alleged love your Roschelle. No if I if Trichelle

1187
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: shows up to an upfront event, not that I get

1188
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: invited to them anyway, but I'm just like, oh no,

1189
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: it's always like the upfront is always where Bowen expecting

1190
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: to have to throw hands. Yes, I'm gonna do it. Sorry, Sorry,

1191
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: Donald Langley. I feel like, yeah, I mean it was

1192
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: a fun season. It's a fun season. I'm sorry. I

1193
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: don't think some honey, Dan and Peter like just people

1194
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: who kind of like killed the vibe of the whole thing.

1195
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: Dan by like killing the sort of like making it

1196
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: impossible for the traders to win, and then Peter for

1197
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: just being so smug and making the faithful as impossible

1198
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: to root for. That's it.

1199
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good distillation of what it was.

1200
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: I guess, like I just wish that people could get

1201
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: all on the same page about like the fact that

1202
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: it's a game and you gotta do what you gotta

1203
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: do to win the game. Like and I feel like

1204
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: in Australia, not in the UK. And the UK they

1205
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: were very emotional all over the place, but in Australia

1206
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: it was clear that everyone was there for the money,

1207
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: which is why you're there, Like, and so anytime like

1208
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: some emotion like comes into it, or whenever anyone's like

1209
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: I have to think should I vote with my head

1210
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: or my I'm like screaming at the TV.

1211
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: Your head, your head, oh, with your head. But the

1212
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: thing about this season of The Traders, which I thought

1213
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: was interesting to see play out, was like, if it

1214
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: is all reality TV veterans, there are so many other

1215
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: factors that go into it where it's like it's not

1216
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: like a full normy season where it's like they don't

1217
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: know each other. They don't know each other from Adam,

1218
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: they don't know what their strategies or what their reputations are.

1219
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: Like this was a season of The Traders where it

1220
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, did it work? And I think it did?

1221
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: But did it work if everyone knows has all these

1222
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: preconceived notions going in. That's all yes, definitely, that's what

1223
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: I think. Whatever it is, it just.

1224
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: Has to be on an even playing field. And season

1225
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: three it is going to be reality stars again, like

1226
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: that's yes, yes, yes, confirmed. But what I like about

1227
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: an All Normies cast, like an Australia cast, is.

1228
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: You really believe they need the money.

1229
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: And so for example, like on Australia, it's one woman

1230
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, probably with the money, I'll get a

1231
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: new hand. It's like that's different than k chesting, you

1232
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, probably with the money, I'll

1233
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: get a blow out every week for the rest of

1234
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: my life, you know what I mean. It's like I

1235
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: would rather I don't think she cares about her hair,

1236
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: I said. In every scene it looks like she's hanging

1237
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 2: upside down. It's wild ish.

1238
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: Down, chaotic as shit. In every scene, it's like the

1239
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: hairstylist was like, hmm, for you, we're gonna go static.

1240
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna rub my feet on a carpet, honey,

1241
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get you electrocuted as fuck. Like

1242
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: she her hair looks fucked, freshly fucked, freshly electrocuted. It

1243
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: is fuzzy, but that's the one thing I like about

1244
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: Australia and I have to say, watch this season because

1245
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,479
Speaker 1: it is so good and you just get that there's

1246
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: a desperation for the money there that informs the gameplay

1247
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: and makes it even more cutthroat. Like I don't know,

1248
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: I just my thing is I just want to see

1249
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: the game played well. Of course, it's fun to have

1250
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: like the fun elements of like you know, the reality

1251
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: show aspect, like.

1252
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh, lord Naik and Sue, no one likes you, poverty.

1253
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't have to kiss her ass for a ro.

1254
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: I was like, that's all fun. But it was very

1255
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: funny at the reunion. And if you watch the reunion,

1256
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: you'll see like the housewives treating it like a Housewives

1257
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: reunion and the gamers being like.

1258
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: You, guys, it's a game. But I kind of love

1259
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: seeing that sort of mingling.

1260
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. The collision is so funny. Also,

1261
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: it was such like fan service wish fulfillment for me

1262
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: to see Parvety sitting next to Andy Cohen in a reunion.

1263
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: Like I said, God is so good. I started. I

1264
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: started the episode and I was like, I'm sorry to

1265
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: be superficial, but Parvety looked at me and saying, she

1266
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: loo's great. She looks stunning. I mean, look, if it's

1267
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a reunion, like, let's turn the reunion. And

1268
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: also Peppermint had a I'm glad they gave Peppermin a

1269
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: moment to be like me, being on the show was

1270
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: incredibly meaningful m hm. And it was so disappointing that

1271
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: I went out. So we're yeah, fuckinglle Man. You know,

1272
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: it's it seems like they are okay. You know what

1273
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: I would say, like, that's my thing is like Peppermint

1274
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: and Tochelle seem okay. Peppermint applauded for Trischelle when they

1275
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: talked about how she was the winner. They still follow

1276
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: each other on Instagram, Like, but I also wouldn't mind

1277
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: if I never had to think about Tchelle ever again.

1278
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: And that's that is your right. And guess what, maybe

1279
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: now that she's won the money, maybe she'll retire.

1280
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Speaking of a human being with contradictions,

1281
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: I do just want to touch on the Madonna concert.

1282
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please, this was so fun.

1283
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: I had a great time. I'm so happy I went.

1284
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: It was a very comprehensive show. You got everything. She

1285
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: was playing the hits and also there were some swerves

1286
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: highlights for me, crazy for you. I mean, I just

1287
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 2: love that song so much, like love that song love

1288
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: hung Up. Just the Vogue section was fucking great. Ali

1289
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: Wong came out at my show. Oh that's fun, and

1290
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: I will also say the highlight, and I would think

1291
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: that this maybe is the highlight of like for many

1292
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: people for our entire tour. I was at the show

1293
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: where Kylie Minogue came out, and it was such a

1294
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: moment to see Kylie and Madonna on stage together and

1295
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: they sang an acoustic version of I Will Survive and

1296
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: then Madonna let everyone in an acapella can't get You

1297
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: out of My Head like chorl oh my god. There

1298
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: was so much love and respect between them, genuinely, Yeah,

1299
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: And that was so amazing to see, like, and it

1300
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: felt like all artifice dropped away for a second. Yeah,

1301
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: And Kylie came out and Madonna pointed at her and

1302
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: she was like, this is a real survivor. And I

1303
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: feel like only they can really understand like the positions

1304
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: that they're in and obviously like women at that level,

1305
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: but to see them stand together and you know, Kylie

1306
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: was wearing her shirt that said Madonna. That called back

1307
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: to when Madonna wore that shirt that said Kylie Minogue,

1308
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: and it just was a joyful, faggy moment.

1309
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: I love it. These are two very important people. Yeah,

1310
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: oh my god. I mean yeah, like there needs to

1311
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: be some sort of documentary, some sort of journalistic thing

1312
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: on those two on their careers, like side by side,

1313
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: because they really were like two sides of the same

1314
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: coin for a while, like coming up around the same time,

1315
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: representing different things, kind of converging, then diverging, converging, but

1316
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: then I mean in the end, it all converges back

1317
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: once again, and it's like, these are just two fucking legends,

1318
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,959
Speaker 1: and to see them kind of join together and celebration

1319
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: is really really beautiful. I mean god, I do have

1320
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: regrets about not going to see her Madonna when she

1321
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: was in New York, but that is a very special

1322
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: She had Barclays, she was Barclays and she did MSG

1323
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: and I misspoke. Oh wow, I was very very sad.

1324
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, this was that the Forum. Oh great, And

1325
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: she's been done so many shows. I really feel I

1326
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,959
Speaker 1: went to the right one. You definitely did, And the fact.

1327
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 2: That we got Kylie Mino' is like, oh, Cardi b

1328
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: came out and did the Vogue section last night. Apparently

1329
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 2: it was a blast, like Tony Gomez was saying, it

1330
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: was so fun.

1331
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: Oh fun.

1332
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: But I wanted to say one other thing. Madonna, which

1333
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 2: is at the top of the concert, she was, you know,

1334
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: it was like after the first couple of songs and

1335
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: she was addressing the audience, and so many times she

1336
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 2: was like, you guys need to put your fucking phones away,

1337
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: get up on your feet. She was like talking to

1338
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: the audience like we were her servants, and we loved it.

1339
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: But at one point she goes, you know, I've been

1340
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: in this business for forty fucking years.

1341
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for forty fucking years, and just today,

1342
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: just like the first day, I give zero fucks.

1343
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: And then I was like whoa.

1344
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 2: And then like a beat goes by and she goes,

1345
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: well sometimes I give like one and a half fuck,

1346
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was like thank god, you know,

1347
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: like because it just goes to show that like even Madonna,

1348
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: someone who got to where she's got by being like,

1349
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: you know, no holds barred, confident in doing what she

1350
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: wants to do, like to see that she exposed in

1351
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: that moment, the complexity and the humanity of like I

1352
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: am Madonna, and that comes with so fucking much talk

1353
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: about someone who's been dissected, hated, beloved. Cast Aside said

1354
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: like she was over, said she was the greatest thing

1355
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: in the world, the highs, the lows, everything for Madonna

1356
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: at the end of it to expose about herself like

1357
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, I know my image is like bitch on Madonna,

1358
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: and she in that moment was like sometimes I give

1359
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: like one and a half fuck because yeah, like when

1360
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,480
Speaker 2: you get to that point, like there's so much responsibility

1361
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: and you mean so much more than you can even

1362
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: possibly fathom. You are such a fully realized figure in

1363
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: the minds at least there's a perception that you are

1364
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: a fully flashed figure of everyone in the world because

1365
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: you are Madonna. And to see her exposed that she

1366
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: actually does care sometimes about like maybe what goes down,

1367
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 2: what people might think, like what's being said, I thought

1368
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: was like very full circle. And I also felt like

1369
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: was empowering almost to see her be up there and

1370
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 2: not like lie or hide behind some facade of like I'm.

1371
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: A bulletproof bitch. Like to see that like soft core.

1372
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: I was like really appreciative of that, And from that

1373
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: moment forward, I was able to enjoy the concert even

1374
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 2: more because this is someone who's like showing this arsenal

1375
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: of hits and this this entire career, this story, and

1376
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: at the end of it all, like she exposed that

1377
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: humanity and I was able to really appreciate her triumphs

1378
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 2: even more.

1379
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: Well, let that be like proof positive that you can

1380
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: be sixty five years old and be celebrating your entire

1381
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: body of work with people who love you in that

1382
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: space and still acknowledged the idea that like, it's just

1383
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: it's the human condition just to like care, to like

1384
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: be vain sometimes, which is not necessarily like what is

1385
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: the universal? But it's like you are like there is

1386
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: no escaping that you cannot, like you have to kill

1387
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: such a crazy deep part of yourself in order to

1388
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: not care, in order to like just let the work

1389
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: speak for itself and let that be the only thing,

1390
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: and let that be the thing that you rest all

1391
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: of your value on. It will never be that, even

1392
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: if you're fucking Madonna, your forty years of work will

1393
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,520
Speaker 1: not be the thing that like saves you or inoculates

1394
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: you from feeling like insecure or inadequate or like you're

1395
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: not with it in whatever way, And it's fine. It's

1396
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: like anytime we feel like, God, shouldn't I have grown

1397
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: past this? Like, shouldn't I have outgrown this part of

1398
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 1: my life? Like you never will? That's okay, that's scary,

1399
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: But it's like it's just how our brains are wired.

1400
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: It's like we have not evolved past that on a

1401
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: sort of like cerebral level.

1402
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's not natural to be Madonna and have

1403
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: world wide international influence and discourse about you.

1404
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: That's not natural.

1405
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 2: So to hear her say I give one and a

1406
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 2: half fuck, that was to me kind of revolutionary to

1407
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: hear from her.

1408
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: I like the grammatical sort of like itch of like

1409
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: not plural fucks, right, give one and a half fuck

1410
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: one and a half yeah, and singular fuck, which doesn't

1411
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: grammatically totally make sense. Title of app one on and

1412
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: a half fuck, I love it. That is a really

1413
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: good title of app. Actually, yes, that's a very good

1414
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: title of app. We tapple everything in the culture, should

1415
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: we do? I don't think so, honey, I think so.

1416
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so, honey. This is where

1417
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 1: we take one minute to go off against something in culture,

1418
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: go off on something in culture. Matt, do you have

1419
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: something I do?

1420
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: And before I do this, this has nothing to do

1421
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: actually it kind of has something to do with it.

1422
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: But I do want to say one other thing, which

1423
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: is I went to that Elton John oscar party, Oh

1424
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: my god, and I saw something strack. And to see

1425
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: something strack at the Elton John party when that had been.

1426
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: A plotline on the show was lol to me.

1427
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: And I will say the highlight of my night was

1428
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 2: when I was standing at the bar trying to get

1429
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: a drink and I look, I look over and there's

1430
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: Kesha and we were all ready for drinks and the

1431
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: bartenders were doing an incredible job, but like it can

1432
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: never be fast enough, so Kesha as a joke, like

1433
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: grabbed a bottle of champagne off the bar and like

1434
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: pretended like she was going to take it. And I

1435
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: turned to her and I said, that was the most

1436
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 2: Keshau shit I've ever seen. And she left and we

1437
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: had a nice, little.

1438
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: Cute little moment. You two, we don't know each other

1439
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: and she does not know me from Adam, but I

1440
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: did see her act Kesha in the wild, and so

1441
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: I had to call it out. She was not stealing

1442
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: it off the bar, just like I didn't steal that strawberry.

1443
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: Short kick, bitch, you're doing accusations on that mo. My god,

1444
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: we can't get into this, but no, we can't. You.

1445
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: We would never, we would never do anything like this today. No.

1446
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: I was twenty three, we were twenty three, and I'm

1447
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: a human with complexities effect you're just at the same time.

1448
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 1: I know that me and my sister share a bloodline,

1449
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: a blood we share a blood live I have. I

1450
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I

1451
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: don't think so many as time starts now, I don't

1452
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: think so honey.

1453
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: I have thought my en seam was different than it

1454
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: is for years. No fuck, I've been there the wrong

1455
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 2: in seam for years. For years, I've been saying my

1456
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: enseeam is a thirty two. Suddenly I don't know what happened.

1457
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: I realized, Huh, every single time I wear pants they're

1458
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 2: too long. It's because my enseem is thirty four years.

1459
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: I have been bow and yang. I know my own

1460
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: length of my legs.

1461
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: I am a thirty I have short thirty legs and

1462
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: a long torso it is part of me. This is

1463
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: me now and this me then. Since I started giving

1464
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: my n S team, I have been a thirty. My

1465
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: pants have always been too long. I'm always wondering, Huh,

1466
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: why do I always need the best bottom of my

1467
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 2: pants and tailored? Is there something wrong with my body? No,

1468
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with my brain. There's something wrong with

1469
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: my mother, who told me I was a thirty two

1470
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: in my entire life. Well, Katrina Rogers, I have news

1471
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: for you. I don't think so, honey. I'm a thirty

1472
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: in seam. Goddamn it, mama.

1473
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I'm sorry you took me on

1474
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: a journey there because I thought you first started out

1475
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: saying you didn't know what an en seam was, and

1476
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, oh no, no, my en seem

1477
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: I feel like this is something you should have gotten

1478
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: to the bottom of years ago, honey, one hundred percent.

1479
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: But I have been so for years. Like it's not

1480
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: something that like your mom tells you and then you

1481
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, oh, like one of your

1482
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: uncles has like a secret family. It's not like that.

1483
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is the thing that you can

1484
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: sort of verify for yourself without having someone else time.

1485
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: I know, but that doesn't mean I can't blame my mother.

1486
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 2: And what I would say is, for years and maybe

1487
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: still even in my heart, for years I identified as

1488
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: a thirty thirty two thirty waist thirty two in seam.

1489
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: Not only it's it's literally flipped. I am now a

1490
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 2: thirty two waist. Even sometimes we're ring on thirty three,

1491
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: depending on what the situation is. Sure, sure, but my

1492
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,759
Speaker 2: waist has gone up. My enn sceam is a thirty.

1493
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: I am a thirty two thirty.

1494
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: And now that I refuse to believe I'm a thirty

1495
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: two thirty bitch. And can I tell you something about

1496
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: you don't believe? We have the same Yeah? Literally literally literally, Bowen,

1497
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: we have the same legs. We'll compare next time I

1498
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: see you. You are literally feet taller than me. Bowen.

1499
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 1: My torso is a very long I have a swimmer's body.

1500
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: You don't, God Bless must be nice. Excuse me. This

1501
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: is about me and my en seam. Are we the same?

1502
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: We are we both thirty two thirty? You know what

1503
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: depended iie light. I'm like a thirty three, thirty sometimes

1504
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: thirty four if it's the winner. That's what I'm saying,

1505
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: Like if it's like January or we're having a hard time,

1506
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: like it might even go up to someone. The other day,

1507
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: I was getting fitted for work and the girl goes, okay,

1508
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: so we need to get you a thirty four, and

1509
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: I said, excuse me, like, and by the way, we're

1510
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: not putting any we're not putting any stigma on any

1511
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: way side, but we're the way size is beautiful. That

1512
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: was just two sizes sometimes even three sizes bigger than

1513
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 1: I usually.

1514
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't want this to fall off, right, And I

1515
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: was just like, I was like, oh, that feels too

1516
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 2: big for me. And then they explained like, oh, when

1517
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: you're getting fitted for things for like a job like that,

1518
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: you want to get something a little bit bigger so

1519
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: that it can be brought in, Like because that's just

1520
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 2: the way it is. But anyway, it's not me saying

1521
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 2: like if my waist right now is a thirty three

1522
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 2: thirty four, that's fucking great. I just should know that,

1523
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: and I should know that my end seam is a

1524
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: thirty because that will never change. And I've been saying

1525
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: thirty two for the longest time. I swear to God,

1526
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm so happy now. I just threw out all my

1527
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: pants bowing, and I went to fucking Banana Republic itself

1528
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: and I got some new pants, and I'm so happy

1529
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: because they're all thirty n CM and I feel like.

1530
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: Finally, finally, finally, it has happened to me. My pants

1531
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: are correctly fitting. I'm very happy for you. So happy.

1532
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: Pants are really tough. They can be some of the toughest.

1533
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: We don't talk about how that it's it's a deeply

1534
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: personal journey, and it's sometimes it's lifelong. I still am

1535
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: not really finding the right genes. I've avoided jeans. I'm

1536
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: finally ready to go back into jeans. You really don't

1537
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: wear jeans. They don't look good on me. But I

1538
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: believe it's like my journey with love. I believe it's

1539
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: out there. But I have had bad luck, and I

1540
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: may maybe it's because I'm not genetically built for it. No, girl,

1541
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we're gonna do. Next time I'm

1542
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: in New York. We're gonna go to APC. I love APC.

1543
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna get you some jeans because we're gonna figure

1544
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 2: this out. We're gonna get to the bottom of this one, okay,

1545
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: because there's no reason you should be feeling anything but

1546
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 2: excited about your legs, which are aspa ration.

1547
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: No, they need to be contextualized properly with the right shoes,

1548
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: the right short, right shorts or pants. You are so

1549
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: powerful in a short, I know, but I can't wear

1550
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: them all the time because the legs are legging. I

1551
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: love my legs, but I'm saying the pants, the way

1552
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: that pants are produced in this world not meant for me.

1553
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the bottom of this, okay.

1554
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's how I feel about shirts, Like sometimes I'm like,

1555
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: because my torso is on the long side, I feel

1556
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: like oftentimes like something will fit me on the shoulders

1557
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: and then be like a little too short on the bottom,

1558
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 2: which is never something anyone.

1559
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: Needs, no of course, But Matt, you you are a

1560
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: very well proportioned person. You know this.

1561
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: Hey, Bobby, all right, so this will be bowing.

1562
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think it's the honey that's always so exciting. Yeah,

1563
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: and he has one minute on the clock and bone Dan,

1564
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so many time starts now, I don't

1565
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: think so, honey, this video game Final Fantasy Sevin Rebirth.

1566
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: It is stoppering all culture consumption for me. It's the

1567
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: first thing I do when I wake up. It's the

1568
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: last thing I do before I go to bed. I

1569
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 1: am three episodes behind on Drag Race, and you know

1570
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: I need to catch up because our Good Girl Joke

1571
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: and Booster is guest judging next week. This week, oh,

1572
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: this week, this week, I have not watched a single

1573
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: Housewives reunion from between Miami and Beverly Hills, and I'm

1574
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: usually up up to speed on all that second. It

1575
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: was a struggle. It felt like homework watching The Traders finale,

1576
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: and I never thought I would say those words. I

1577
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: was on a reading tear with my books, and all

1578
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: of it has stopped because of this game that is

1579
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: so beautiful, so effervescently fun, narratively doing so many things

1580
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: that I've never seen done in media before five seconds.

1581
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: This game is a celebration of video games in general.

1582
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: It is a celebration of fun, and that's why I

1583
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: love it, and that's why I can't get away from it.

1584
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: That's one minute. So that was one of those sneaky

1585
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't think, Sohney, is that I thought how much

1586
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: I love about it, and I was like really shocked.

1587
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: My qualm is that I haven't been able to do

1588
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: anything else. It's disruptive. It's disruptively good. It's disruptively good.

1589
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Matt. This game has you play these like

1590
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: mini games that are like, oh, you're you're thrown around

1591
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: a soccer ball for five minutes. Oh, you're playing a

1592
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: card game which is amazing, by the way, called Queen's Blood.

1593
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: Oh it's such a sleigh but it makes you First.

1594
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: I normally don't give a shit about these minigames in

1595
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: video games. I'm like, let's just keep it moving, Let's

1596
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: get the main thing going. I don't want to be

1597
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: distracted by these side things. No, the side things are

1598
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: just as fun. I want to win at the side gas.

1599
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: I want to achieve the highest rank at the side games.

1600
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: There's a game where you played the piano and you

1601
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: have to like it's like Dance Dancer Revolution, which you

1602
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: know is very formative for me. This game is pure fun,

1603
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: pure fun. Oh, I have another adem think so money

1604
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 1: really quickly? Okay, I don't think so, honey, Alex English, No, No, no,

1605
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: just very very very Alex English. He changed I got

1606
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: Steff on on air on SNL for this Lisa Temecula sketch.

1607
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: This was really good. He switched up the cue cards

1608
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: on me. Aga was supposed to have the line I

1609
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: am neurodiverger, but she did not say neurodivergent. She said

1610
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: something else. But then instead I see on the cards

1611
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: points to Bowen before the next line. And I have

1612
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: never felt a more pure, even blend of horror and

1613
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: joy than that moment. It was so fucking It was

1614
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: the craziest moment of my life. I thought, I was like,

1615
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: nothing's going to be like you know, the first Lisa

1616
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: in terms of like, oh, because we're black, Like that

1617
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: was my soul left my body. This was something else,

1618
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: but just as thrilling and satisfying. I was just like,

1619
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: this is the craziest thing for Ago to point to

1620
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,799
Speaker 1: me and say that line is fucking demonic and Alex English,

1621
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: I love you to death, but you are you are

1622
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: dast You're on burn Notice you're preemptively you guys got burned.

1623
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 2: Here's your notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so funny.

1624
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: What a great episode altogether. That was like I actually

1625
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: all my friends went out and I stayed home to

1626
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: like watch it because I was like, I needed a

1627
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: night off anyway, because we did game show on Friday,

1628
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 2: I went out Saturday.

1629
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch Ari.

1630
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Well, I had to intel that there was going to

1631
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: be some special sketches, and I did want to see

1632
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: her live performances, and they were great. And I had

1633
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: serious fomo because I know that a lot of the

1634
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 2: a lot of girls were there. Yeah, and then I

1635
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 2: saw you guys playing What are you guys seeing karaoke

1636
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: or playing video games?

1637
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 1: Afterwards? What were you guys? We were saying karaoke in

1638
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: my office, But Ben Plat, Noah Galvin were there. I

1639
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: heard we were all hanging out in Nari's dressing room.

1640
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: After the show. She had to hop on a jet

1641
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: right to go right to La to go to the

1642
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: Oscars and getting glam. Yeah, she did not mix the

1643
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 1: after party. But she loves Josh and Air and she

1644
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: loves Dix the Musical. And I will reveal that Josh

1645
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: did did dare her. He goes, I will pay you

1646
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: one dollar if for best original song, you open up

1647
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 1: the envelope and say it's a tie between Dix the

1648
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Musical and Theater Camp one dollar. She couldn't make that happen.

1649
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: She said, Okay, I'll think about it. Okay, just doing

1650
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: the bit obviously, but just being like, okay, yeah, let

1651
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: me let me.

1652
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: Anythink about how I can make that work. Anyway, It

1653
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: was a very it was a very fun night.

1654
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: But I'm in La next week for you know, undisclosed

1655
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: reasons having to do with the podcast maybe, but I

1656
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: want to go out. I want to have a night

1657
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: out with you, with my girl and the girls and

1658
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: the other girls maybe post drag race.

1659
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: That can be arranged. That can be arranged for sure.

1660
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: In fact, there is a there is something happening, so

1661
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you off air about it. But just

1662
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: final words, I just want to say my best dress

1663
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: was a tie between Sondra Schuler and Mulligan care both

1664
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 2: Black was in, Black was in I thought they were stunning.

1665
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 2: Sandra Huler was giving me like glamorous, like movie star

1666
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: of yesteryear. I loved her sleek, pony's tail, hair, the shoulder,

1667
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: it was powerful.

1668
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: I thought she was a real winner.

1669
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 2: Her movies did amazing and she may not have won,

1670
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: but she looked incredible. I'm super like in awe of

1671
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 2: her and Carrie Mulligan looked unbelievable, so fucking chic and elegant,

1672
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: like the mermaid bottom of that dress, the gloves, like.

1673
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: The cutout scalloped, the scalloped thing. Oh, just so fucking gorgeous.

1674
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: She looked absolutely stunning, like for real, for real, I

1675
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: do I'm biased, but Cynthia and Urie looked amazing.

1676
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Johnny ally fucking chic, cunty choice.

1677
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they looked very good together. I'm sure obviously that

1678
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: was like, you know, by design, yeah, representing.

1679
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: I do want to shout out Gucci did some beautiful

1680
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: dresses for Lily, for Lily Gladstone, oh yeah, for the

1681
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: show and for the Vanity Fair party. Like both of

1682
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: her dresses were fucking stunning and such beautiful homages or

1683
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 1: just like tributes to like Native dress, like just so beautiful,

1684
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: like the feather motif and that color for the Oscars down,

1685
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:10,839
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's so stunning.

1686
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: The ear They're gorgeous, and I really feel like, you know,

1687
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just the beginning and like, oh,

1688
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: it's truly us, and you know, they said they really

1689
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: want to host SNL.

1690
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: I would love for them to host SNL. I think

1691
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: they would be amazing. And I have tea not on Lily,

1692
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: but I will say I have on good authority that

1693
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: Lily's mother watches SNL every week and calls me her son,

1694
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm gagging Lily Gladstone and mother says, my son is on.

1695
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: Look at my son. I'm Lily's brother.

1696
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is so gorgeous. Well, we're fans

1697
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 2: of Lily. Lily was performing some Killers of the Flower

1698
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 2: Moon was just beautiful, and there's gonna be much more.

1699
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

1700
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm excited about this Hulu show. I did not know

1701
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: they were the star of this Hulu show. I just

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01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: only saw the preview during the Oscars and I was like, Oh,

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01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 2: what's that has Riley Kyoh.

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01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: Who's like he's so fucking good good. So I'm excited

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01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: about that.

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01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: And then I wanted to say two other things, which

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01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 2: is I feel like we haven't really gotten to talk

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01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: about this, but two things everyone should go see which

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01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 2: are literally created by friends of ours and starring friends

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01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,959
Speaker 2: of ours. The first of which is The Emma Stone, produced,

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01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: written and directed by Julio Torres.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: This was great fucking till the Switton's amazing and it

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01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 2: like Julio has done it again, like Greta Titleman is

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01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 2: in it, Greta Lee, j Sully, Riza, fucking you know

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01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's got such a great cast.

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01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, River Ramirez, like.

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Speaker 1: Just the funniest human like god, so good, I mean,

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01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, so good, just like I mean, gotta go

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01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: see that one. And then of course we haven't even

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01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: mentioned it, but oh Mary, oh Mary is I mean,

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01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: if you're in New York and you're not fighting tooth

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01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: and noil to go see this or you haven't already,

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01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: you are not doing it right. The funniest theater ever

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01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,799
Speaker 1: I think, ever, it's so funny, like I mean, Cole

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01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Escola just incredible. There are idol and has always have been,

1727
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: like the best in the biz.

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01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 2: Again James Kelly also in that a little moment for

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01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 2: James Kelly lately and uh Conrad Rickmora and just the best.

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01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Like so you gotta go see old Mary. You will

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01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: not be disappointed. It is so good.

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01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: It feels with understudies by Peter Smith and Hannasolo good

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01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: friends of ours as well. Yes, yes, all around, just

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01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: great things, good peeps and all that and yeah, this

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01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: was This was last colch, This was last college. This

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01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: is a long episode of Last Coach. I know. We

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01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: end with the song something of Bed is made for

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01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: some bad made me go on. You picked her key too.

1739
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: You usually never do that. I never do that. For

1740
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 1: more of that, listened to Eternal Sunshine, Bye True Story.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do Bye Bye