Speaker 1: You're tuned into the Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, Regie
Speaker 1: Right Jr. And Alex Amnzo on the Digital Soapbox Network
Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated battery. I was a hang
Speaker 1: gun and they believe this might be in retaliation to
Speaker 1: her testimony. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles. Good morning, good afternoon, good night. Wherever you're
Speaker 1: listening from. My name is Alex Alonso and I'm here
Speaker 1: with my two brothers and Big j. But we also
Speaker 1: got a special guest, Spider Loco. We got Spider Local
Speaker 1: the house and um, I actually just interviewed Spider Look
Speaker 1: a few months ago, so if you haven't checked that out,
Speaker 1: go VISU Street TV. We did, uh. I cut the
Speaker 1: interview into two parts or three parts. I think three parts,
Speaker 1: and the first part is the one you guys love
Speaker 1: the most. But I loved all three parts. What do
Speaker 1: you think appreciated? I mean, you know, I always enjoyed
Speaker 1: telling my story and you know, having interest, so I
Speaker 1: just enjoyed the process. I like the way you cut
Speaker 1: it up. I tried to tell your story just a
Speaker 1: little different from everybody else. Most of the time, you're
Speaker 1: sitting in the chair telling the story, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to go out into the navy. I appreciated you're going
Speaker 1: to um all three of the sections to that you
Speaker 1: know that was familiar with, and I cut part one,
Speaker 1: especially the show that we was on with ninety s
Speaker 1: because for some reason somebody kept going online talking about
Speaker 1: you never go to East Coast. It's no, the thing
Speaker 1: is not. The thing is not don't. It was they can't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was an irritant Okay, I gotta remember
Speaker 1: I was talking. I mean, it's not about no. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just those two words have a very different connotation
Speaker 1: in this right, is not about don't because you can
Speaker 1: say that as much as you won't because I choose
Speaker 1: not to. But when they can't comes up, that was
Speaker 1: curious to me. Is that right? So I edited that
Speaker 1: right when Homeboy was saying this, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta cut the part where we are. You had
Speaker 1: to appreciate that you had told me that you had
Speaker 1: left it out just based on the way you had
Speaker 1: it flowing, and then because you came across that, you
Speaker 1: included because I know you know what would have happened
Speaker 1: in the comments of that video if I didn't include, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he must be right, Alex just interviews part of Look
Speaker 1: and they nowhere on in the East Coast. But I
Speaker 1: have no I have no energy to try to like
Speaker 1: defend that type my name against that type of claim.
Speaker 1: The little bit of temptation I did have died right
Speaker 1: along with the late great neighborhood nil um. You know,
Speaker 1: I wish she was said about him when I wish
Speaker 1: he would have not been in his hood. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that it's such a small crown to
Speaker 1: even try to improve that I possessed. And then they
Speaker 1: say that, you know, his life was taken by an
Speaker 1: alleged rat. That's who sparked the rumor on me for sure.
Speaker 1: Rat And we'll talk let's talk about that in the show.
Speaker 1: But before we start the show, I want to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of fact checking from last week. The
Speaker 1: racial demographics of Compton. It is now six Latino as
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eighteen, which is still significant because
Speaker 1: that's real high because I remember when it was probably
Speaker 1: like ten. Reggie, when you was a police officer, was
Speaker 1: like probably Latino might have been thirty maybe a little
Speaker 1: a little less. And also you mentioned an incident where
Speaker 1: a CV seventy guy used to go at it with
Speaker 1: the looters park. I do a little research. I believe
Speaker 1: his name was Casper. We couldn't remember his name. You
Speaker 1: think that's Casper. He was killed by the police eventually
Speaker 1: by or the sheriff. So you know who killed him? Then? No? No, okay,
Speaker 1: But um, I do know that he was letting you know,
Speaker 1: the dudes from the looters and some of the miles
Speaker 1: have it okay. And last week I accidentally misspoken said
Speaker 1: Poo's brother was killed buying Acasia block, which makes no
Speaker 1: sense because um who was from Acasia? It was a
Speaker 1: CV seventy that killed his brother. Um. And we also
Speaker 1: talked about a guy named g Ray. Let's just make
Speaker 1: a distinction. There's there's a little g Ray and a
Speaker 1: big g Ray, and it was big g Ray that
Speaker 1: guy killed litl g Ray is still around. Also, Um,
Speaker 1: the area where occasion blocks that we couldn't remember what
Speaker 1: CV seventy click that is, but I believe it's the
Speaker 1: peeweeze And um chicos Tina, you also got the midget
Speaker 1: to the monsters and the last correction, um I pronounced
Speaker 1: the guy from Florida's name incorrectly, it's Ardudo Castellano, a
Speaker 1: k a. Tablets or tablas. He's the guy in Pelican
Speaker 1: Bay that pretty much runs F thirteen. And if you
Speaker 1: remember last week, I was I had this visions of grandeur.
Speaker 1: Would you say of the East Coast Cripts and the
Speaker 1: F thirteens figuring out this conflict is beef and getting
Speaker 1: it right again? And who do we have as a
Speaker 1: guest this week? So I don't know if he wants
Speaker 1: to talk about that, um today, but let's start off
Speaker 1: with the Snoop dog dog pound video in New York. Um,
Speaker 1: somebody asked again, these questions are all from you guys
Speaker 1: that listened to the show. We appreciate everyone that responds
Speaker 1: to our posts and and contributes and asks and puts
Speaker 1: these questions online for us. So one of these questions
Speaker 1: was Snoop dog dog pound video in New York and
Speaker 1: when they got shot at what really happened that day? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I started started off the reason why this question come up?
Speaker 1: And this is a topic of conversation because Snoop bitch asked,
Speaker 1: always tried to make it. I don't like Snoop, but anyway,
Speaker 1: snoop um here. He always tried to make it seem
Speaker 1: like pop was the reason that all the dramas and
Speaker 1: stuff came to death Row, which he forgets that they
Speaker 1: shot at his trailer and Pocket had only been out
Speaker 1: of jail a month or two when this instance that happened.
Speaker 1: Um be. He got on the on the radio on
Speaker 1: a Funk flax Master Flex or whatever his name is
Speaker 1: radio funk Master Flex, and he got on the radio
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, ye out here doing this video
Speaker 1: called New York, New York having this big video shoot
Speaker 1: out here, which in their mind they were paying how
Speaker 1: mage to uh to New York, but the New York
Speaker 1: people didn't take it that way. He got on the
Speaker 1: radio was this and then saying, hey, how are you
Speaker 1: how are we gonna be letting this go down out here?
Speaker 1: Um wait? Who was paying homage to New York? The
Speaker 1: soul New York New York Is were corrupt. But the
Speaker 1: video that's the after fact, that's after the video shoot
Speaker 1: got shut up and we had to come back and
Speaker 1: film it out here in l A. That was done
Speaker 1: in studio stuff, But all of that was done after
Speaker 1: the mad So that wasn't the initial plan. For that
Speaker 1: were supposed to have a big party and have all
Speaker 1: the different rappers corrupt when all of them was gonna
Speaker 1: go out there and the next day was gonna have
Speaker 1: a bunch of red Rocks and something. You probably know
Speaker 1: what red there's something spot in New York where that's happened.
Speaker 1: It's called red something where they were going and just happened.
Speaker 1: But they will have a big old like party or
Speaker 1: a big old like atmosphere in there. But you know,
Speaker 1: Biggie took confence to it because you know, the beef
Speaker 1: was starting up. But then he got on the radio
Speaker 1: this thing um, and then you know they came in
Speaker 1: there and did some pop shots at the video shooting
Speaker 1: where they had a clear out and pack up the league.
Speaker 1: Because you know, it wasn't so much that the artist
Speaker 1: was scared, but you know you have all those productions exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and those people, you know, you can't justify that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want that happens to those people in the artists.
Speaker 1: When we get all that shot, where was all the
Speaker 1: all the hitters from uh, to be honest, that was
Speaker 1: a snoop thing and so it was mainly his people
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, we were we were all back at home.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of my security was out there. They
Speaker 1: credit Frank and some of my security for getting to
Speaker 1: my little dolp, you know, getting to my little trailer
Speaker 1: and all of that and looking out for him. But
Speaker 1: what year was this when Paul got out ninety five,
Speaker 1: December of ninety five. It's either November December ninety five
Speaker 1: when this happened. But but by my point to it
Speaker 1: was that, you know Snoop always try to make it
Speaker 1: seem like popboard, all the heat to death roll and
Speaker 1: all of that, But it wasn't trailer that got shot up.
Speaker 1: It was dog pound of Snoops used to say he
Speaker 1: made Snoop turn crip. Well you around when that supposed
Speaker 1: to hap that turn crip? No, that probably would have
Speaker 1: been before my time. Nine. I think you never heard
Speaker 1: say he never told me that, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: I never stopped that, rich. I never heard him saying that,
Speaker 1: I haven't wait. You haven't never heard him say when
Speaker 1: he met him, his name with super Snooper duper Okay,
Speaker 1: that was not a crip name. You don't remember that.
Speaker 1: So you heard the rest of the story. Rage, I
Speaker 1: knew you had. Sure you should say that he used
Speaker 1: to say. He put extensions in the snoopiger d and
Speaker 1: budless and he said, shoo, this is shous words. Now
Speaker 1: Shook said, look, man, he's from Long Beach. Ain't no
Speaker 1: blood and so you can't be saying bigger Ris. Mama
Speaker 1: told us over and over again to thank you. You
Speaker 1: know we heard it to one's come on, man, well
Speaker 1: I just know dog is a blood the blood putting,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what they say. But yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: listen to you Snoop dog dog de dogs. I say
Speaker 1: that was up dog. So no one actually got shot,
Speaker 1: You just got shot at. No one was how the
Speaker 1: trailer just got shot where they were at? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why that comes up all the time,
Speaker 1: this incident. Yeah, why because of the beef. That's what
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe in. The beef between New
Speaker 1: York and and the West Coast started the East Coast
Speaker 1: and the West Coast started, but but it never started. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think the beef had anything. There was there
Speaker 1: was no it wasn't there was no East Coast Park
Speaker 1: always told you the corniest concept you you deal with
Speaker 1: so much real beef that to entertain that as a
Speaker 1: real beef. It has nothing that that was. So there
Speaker 1: was no East coast West Coast be No, I agree
Speaker 1: and said there was certain motherfucker's from you said. This
Speaker 1: was December of Okay. Wasn't there a little bit of
Speaker 1: conflict between Sugar and bad Boy in that was too.
Speaker 1: That's with two different crews that happened to be from
Speaker 1: two different coasts. That was did not wage a coastal
Speaker 1: ward and that was because Park was coming home and
Speaker 1: Park did tell he had a problem with Bad Boys
Speaker 1: record and all of that, and he wanted him to
Speaker 1: ride with him because he was going to destroy them.
Speaker 1: But isn't that what the East Coast West Coast beef is?
Speaker 1: It's really death Row bad Boy that's really what. Why
Speaker 1: would you call the East coast West Coast b Yeah
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, I mean that's what the I think
Speaker 1: the media wanted to Some people started jumping and jumping there.
Speaker 1: The problem, the main problem that we have from an
Speaker 1: industry standpoint, was with the pds. To be honest, they
Speaker 1: would not play any West Coast music on the East coast.
Speaker 1: That's who we really have questions When Death Row would
Speaker 1: go to New York, wouldn't have the New York catch
Speaker 1: didn't like death Row. If death Row would have been
Speaker 1: hanging out somewhere when you know the fight or jumped
Speaker 1: on Puffy, New York would have would have jumped. We
Speaker 1: used to kick it with Puffy and I just said,
Speaker 1: I'm not you wouldn't kicking with Puffy got on that
Speaker 1: stage and ship. That's when it started, come to death Row.
Speaker 1: That's why Puffy was confused that they started and he
Speaker 1: did that. Why because he knew we had just got
Speaker 1: off the plane and he knew that he was just
Speaker 1: about to sign Pop. But there's a whole lot of
Speaker 1: homes would have got killed that night if they didn't
Speaker 1: fix that, right, it never got fixed. That's when it started.
Speaker 1: No Snoop ship. He went and got that Puffy the
Speaker 1: s I wasn't talking about you kids, didn't say that.
Speaker 1: That's what Puffy said, Okay, I was in a tone
Speaker 1: of winner. How the conversation went. He adin't blame no Ship,
Speaker 1: don't know Jermaine dupri or anything like that. That's Puffy version. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So this this shooting had nothing to do with Death
Speaker 1: Row Bad Boy conflict, which was already in the earlier starting.
Speaker 1: No I staid, it's starting, But I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: say Snoop always trying to put it at the feet
Speaker 1: of Pop. When they didn't shoot a pox trailer, they
Speaker 1: shot at dog Pound, Trade d E big C style,
Speaker 1: um dash corrupt and Snoop sitting inside of a trump.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no, no tupop, no should no bunchry ing
Speaker 1: the shooting was it? That was there? Don't nobody know why? Yeah,
Speaker 1: be out on the radio. I think he said, the
Speaker 1: niggas out here, this in US, with this on New York,
Speaker 1: New York, and they they out here? How how they
Speaker 1: have the nerves to be out here filming this video
Speaker 1: out here and they this in US? I don't so
Speaker 1: big he called it. Some people would say, Hitchman, Jimmy
Speaker 1: really made made it happen, and all of that. Who knows,
Speaker 1: Biggie got on the radio. I've talked about it, Biggie.
Speaker 1: It is true. When um, when I used to go
Speaker 1: to New York because my mom lives out there, you
Speaker 1: would never really hear West Coast music on the radio here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't just death row, but we out
Speaker 1: here were bumping. They were bumping the pds the program
Speaker 1: director to see a lot of people think back then
Speaker 1: this jockeys the radio. This jockey didn't have the control
Speaker 1: like they do now. You had to mix. The mix
Speaker 1: shows had it. But that's it. But it was done
Speaker 1: by the p D. The program director is the one
Speaker 1: that decided what songs are gonna played at the different stations.
Speaker 1: It was really hard for for New York City to
Speaker 1: embrace West Coast hip hop. I mean, eventually it did,
Speaker 1: but in number early nineties, jay Z said, we give
Speaker 1: Jay's props and that's where it stops. And they didn't
Speaker 1: do that because you remember that song really held him
Speaker 1: accounting before that, Yeah, that was that was a boast.
Speaker 1: I remember Dj Quick jay Z said that it was
Speaker 1: like in the Girls Girls Girls Age right around there, yea,
Speaker 1: when he was popping. I don't think he would say
Speaker 1: that today though, Oh no, of course not. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: you know what, the South had a hard time getting
Speaker 1: their hip hop embraced by the East and the West
Speaker 1: in the very beginning, and now there was a period
Speaker 1: where the South was just running it. So I think
Speaker 1: West always embraced the South. That's when the West kind
Speaker 1: of fell off from together. You know, even when it
Speaker 1: was eight Ball m j G. We always liked, but
Speaker 1: they weren't getting radio PLAYO yeah, yeah, but you know who.
Speaker 1: And that's why the West Coast really kind of fell
Speaker 1: off because guess who was the West coast biggest supporter
Speaker 1: was the South, the South, the Southwest because they want
Speaker 1: to ride and over. I think the South had love
Speaker 1: for the East and the West because they're right there
Speaker 1: in the middle and Gold and Jerry girls. That was
Speaker 1: they've seen to have a general distinct from New York
Speaker 1: nigger because they feel like the York niggas assumed them
Speaker 1: to be done well. The North, Carolinas in the South,
Speaker 1: Carolina's got strong ties to New York. So you know
Speaker 1: the South when we say the South again, like when
Speaker 1: you say Carolina, Carolinas don't come to your mind first
Speaker 1: when you said the South. If you live on the
Speaker 1: East Coast and you said, if you live in New
Speaker 1: York State and you say I'm going down South, the
Speaker 1: first thing you think of the Carolina. We're talking about
Speaker 1: hip hop and it's glory. It is being accepted. The
Speaker 1: Carolina is just now getting notarized itself. For like Pete Pablo,
Speaker 1: like who else is from the Carolina? The music wasn't
Speaker 1: not influx from the Carolinas. I mean most of the South,
Speaker 1: most of all that music came out of Georgia, right, Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure the people in Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, they
Speaker 1: was listening the fans. But I think that when I
Speaker 1: think it's south to Alabama, Mississippi. Now, if you're from
Speaker 1: California and you say the South, the first thing you
Speaker 1: think of it is Texas and Louisiana. So and if
Speaker 1: you're from Chicago and you say the South, you think
Speaker 1: of Mississippi and Alabama, you're thinking outside of the round
Speaker 1: hip hop. Because you think of hip hop, you say
Speaker 1: South Atlanta. Nowadays, Well that's not well. Jermane there was
Speaker 1: always doing what he was doing, but I don't even
Speaker 1: think for him like the Jez the T. Well, when
Speaker 1: we're talking about ninety, you're still going back. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying that because we were talking about
Speaker 1: the beef that that started. Who was popping the night
Speaker 1: was outcast Otkast, but they were mainly pop. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call them hip hop or route. But I mean, you
Speaker 1: know my ship ice cream Man and your boy and
Speaker 1: Master p was Oh yeah, that's when he took over
Speaker 1: ninety seven from Louisiana, right, New Orleans juvenile, you know,
Speaker 1: back that ass up juvenile St Louis. No not he
Speaker 1: was from New Orleans. Was Baby from St. Louis. Uh,
Speaker 1: my boy, Philip, No no, no, Nelly from St. Louis
Speaker 1: is kind of orderline South. But yeah, I think all
Speaker 1: these regions have a different history as different parts of
Speaker 1: America embraced them, and then we forget about the I
Speaker 1: mean my main one, the Girt Old Boys and yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Spider was talking about yeah yeah, but yeah, eventually New
Speaker 1: York opened up and said, you know what this West
Speaker 1: Coast music is. It's pretty damn good. You know, it's
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. Yeah one, Spider and g Unit and
Speaker 1: them and them when them took over, I think they
Speaker 1: bowed down to Drake seemed like one. And that's ninety nine.
Speaker 1: ICEQ had like a New York lane though, well even
Speaker 1: we went out there, the fielders out. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a classic America's most want American three k's. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was hard America KKK. Yeah. I like that kill
Speaker 1: a Will that came right and it was hard to
Speaker 1: man's hard yeah, holding that guy. Know what's the total
Speaker 1: death tifty? Right? Yeah, the the gun. All right, so um,
Speaker 1: let's move on to uh something that Tupac said. I
Speaker 1: vaguely remember this. Apparently at some point on Tupac called
Speaker 1: Dr Dre gay. He's saying gay like, you know, that's gay,
Speaker 1: Like that's not cool? Or was he calling him a homosexual? Dre?
Speaker 1: Your sexualities? Who do you use this? Hellita? That's one
Speaker 1: of the that's one of the times he references. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying, Go ahead, James, James stories, Well, I
Speaker 1: know where it comes from. All right, Well she'll she'll
Speaker 1: get feeling. Uh. And this is a woman scoring because
Speaker 1: mission Lay was so hurt that Dre was, you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with other chicks and was just using her as
Speaker 1: a baby mama and not respecting her love or not
Speaker 1: loving her like she wanted to be loved by Dre
Speaker 1: and m and so she started always coming around saying,
Speaker 1: all these men is always living with us. I gotta
Speaker 1: remember Bruce. You remember Bruce who we met in the
Speaker 1: strip club. It was a mill exotic dancer. Was was
Speaker 1: always with Dre, lives with Dre. Uh what's that boy name? Um,
Speaker 1: it's daddy. Uh, it's a it's a big song writer,
Speaker 1: um from from Motown. Anyway, one of them always lived.
Speaker 1: She was always say me and always had to live
Speaker 1: with them at their house or whenever. Dre always had
Speaker 1: men standing around there. So Mischel was really the one
Speaker 1: to put out the rumor about Dre being gay, and
Speaker 1: she grand with it. Okay, well yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: it was because of a woman's corn. I've seen a
Speaker 1: couple of Michelle interviews and it doesn't seem as if
Speaker 1: her information is completely accurate. So I think I don't
Speaker 1: know what level of credibility does Michell carry? None? None? Okay,
Speaker 1: Well I've been hearing she don't. Danny Boy didn't like her.
Speaker 1: I mean, none of those guys liked her. I mean
Speaker 1: you know she she was slept with a few of
Speaker 1: the guys around in the circle. Um, what kind of
Speaker 1: credibility that she needs? She loves, don't let's sleeping with
Speaker 1: them them? Then marry And should you know I got
Speaker 1: a baby by this one. I'm over here with that
Speaker 1: one I wouldn't call incredible. Okay, So for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, Michel has a baby with and she also
Speaker 1: has a baby which after dre and shook parted ways.
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Yeah? Shout hey, No, well
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about about I don't keeping she was decent.
Speaker 1: I didn't have much interaction with her, but I did
Speaker 1: have genuine interaction encounter. She's but just in general, when
Speaker 1: a woman decides to date your partner, your ex partner
Speaker 1: has a theory about that too. Let me say that
Speaker 1: she said that was in the range situation that he
Speaker 1: forced in order to save face of his company when
Speaker 1: those rumors started going around. Have you heard that before?
Speaker 1: Of course he has I'm not gonna make and everything
Speaker 1: I heard of his hearing Dreche was always messed around.
Speaker 1: I'm just that's the real reason of the break up.
Speaker 1: That's what she would say. That's the real reason of
Speaker 1: the break up was miche Andre married now but still
Speaker 1: his biby mom and your business partner and was off
Speaker 1: limits man to her. That's how she should have said,
Speaker 1: I have a child by dre You should have been
Speaker 1: looking at She wouldn't even you make money with him
Speaker 1: coming to me like that. It should have went to Drake,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. She didn't do that. She
Speaker 1: went to shoot. She accepted that from ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that's what she made her mistake at.
Speaker 1: So for all of these guys to call her holes
Speaker 1: or whatever, I mean, I'm stepping back. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: call him one. She tried to tell y'all in her
Speaker 1: little documentary how it went down, and it's kind of true.
Speaker 1: I mean, she exaggerated a little bit, you know, about
Speaker 1: the beatings and all of that stuff. But how do
Speaker 1: you know what was going on in their house because
Speaker 1: I would have seen her coming around and and and
Speaker 1: beat up and all of that. I don't know. She
Speaker 1: was the drunk walking around the studio that I had
Speaker 1: to drive home and have limousines for and all of that.
Speaker 1: But that's another subing. So you think she exaggerated the
Speaker 1: assault that she claimed that because she really wanted to
Speaker 1: be with Drake and Dre had moved on to Sudel
Speaker 1: Three's woman, to his baby mama who and adopted. Can
Speaker 1: you go back to somebody you just disrespected totally? You
Speaker 1: you you she wanted to come back to Dre after
Speaker 1: Shi No no, no, no, we're talking about this is
Speaker 1: what she wanted. And so at that point, then that's
Speaker 1: when she started calling Ship like people will say, who
Speaker 1: calls Why would you be calling sugar two or three
Speaker 1: in the morning for pempers and milk two or three
Speaker 1: in the morning, and my electricity is not on two
Speaker 1: or three in the morning. She said these her words.
Speaker 1: If you listen, I think it lad. I don't know
Speaker 1: where the woman scoring. She said, Okay, I'm gonna get you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sleep with ship and see what you do. Hey, well,
Speaker 1: I personally don't think she should have even been dealing
Speaker 1: with Sugar, so but she was an artist sign on
Speaker 1: the record company. That would be her. You know, you
Speaker 1: can blame her, and you can blame Dre. I just
Speaker 1: sucked the ship out of Sugar for you to touch
Speaker 1: my busy mother, especially in my face. Now you've been
Speaker 1: a marrier. I'm gonna come to your wedding and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna whoop your ass. I'm gonna be very disrespecting. Drey
Speaker 1: strong on the back was when he heard that Mission
Speaker 1: was pregnant. That's why he that was the strong. But
Speaker 1: that's why I say, don't don't get with your feelings
Speaker 1: and emotions with these women all these things, because this
Speaker 1: type of ship happens now what are those kids? How
Speaker 1: old are those kids? And what's their relationship? Like she's
Speaker 1: got a kid by doctor Tray and a kid by sugar.
Speaker 1: Hell of a story to tell when they go to school.
Speaker 1: I know because I used to pick Marcella up from
Speaker 1: school and all of that. I know growing up he
Speaker 1: didn't have any relationship with a sign. But I heard
Speaker 1: once he became adult, an adult, that they have a
Speaker 1: relationship now, and once his other child, his other son,
Speaker 1: that he didn't have a relationship passed away. Whose son is?
Speaker 1: I always wondered how true those beating stories that Michelle
Speaker 1: a Ques trailed because he's been married to this woman
Speaker 1: for years and you haven't heard one negative things she said,
Speaker 1: and how long they've been together. That's not the threat
Speaker 1: X is it the one that he's married now? She
Speaker 1: ain't never said anything negative about Drake? So is he
Speaker 1: that type of person? Though? Oh, he gets drunk and
Speaker 1: he was drinking. He had drinking problem back then as well.
Speaker 1: Didn't he beat up the girl on Pump it Up?
Speaker 1: So he capable? I'm not saying, I'm just saying they
Speaker 1: were exaggerated. I and say they didn't happen. I just
Speaker 1: said they were exaggerate. I mean, every man is capable
Speaker 1: of judging a woman. Women. The other year, she was
Speaker 1: a spokeswoman for domestic violence at one time. She like
Speaker 1: that's after that lifetime. I think you're just hearing her
Speaker 1: tell the story with that voice is just sympathetic. Period.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's just terrible voice. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: feel bad for her, just the story. You want to
Speaker 1: part of the crew that wouldn't had to go deal
Speaker 1: with deal with a cane. We do. We came from
Speaker 1: Minnesota to society when she was working on him. Damn man,
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't wish I would go pack for
Speaker 1: another woman. All Right, we're talking about that. Please know
Speaker 1: that name. Let's not say she got a hell of
Speaker 1: a story. Though she could say she sucked Easy, dre
Speaker 1: and Ship, three of the biggest West Coast pioneers, and
Speaker 1: I'd be proud of that. That's a hell of a book.
Speaker 1: But you got women to did worship and still yeah,
Speaker 1: well I saw everybody. I saw a hell of a
Speaker 1: picture of O. J. Simpson's trial and the Kardashian mom
Speaker 1: is three. There were three men in that courtroom that
Speaker 1: she fucked. O J. Simpson Kardashian and Bruce General all
Speaker 1: in that courtroom. I say this, let's see they'll get
Speaker 1: down like that. Have you been, Marcus Allen, have you
Speaker 1: ever been in the same room where there are three
Speaker 1: people there that you had sex with? Yeah? Okay, and
Speaker 1: you get a lot of that on the motorcycle set,
Speaker 1: and on the motorcycle set is a cold You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If my girl here, you you don't
Speaker 1: bother me. But if my girl ain't here, it is
Speaker 1: what it is. This part of this is it's like, man,
Speaker 1: ask you this whatever, but if my woman here, don't
Speaker 1: come nowhere near me. So I didn't have a room
Speaker 1: full of Oh yeah, I didn't need man, I can
Speaker 1: yeah that I hate Yeah, Hey, more power to y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think I've ever been in
Speaker 1: the room with Are you being right now? Are you
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable? Are you being you? I said I could
Speaker 1: have been in the room with two women two, three, three, three.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's thirty three percent. I have four
Speaker 1: big moths, specifically, gets one out of three is thirty
Speaker 1: three percent. That's a lot. Was talking about three Okay,
Speaker 1: Now it was one out of nine one out of ten.
Speaker 1: That's ten percent and nine in ten is all right.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But but this UM this topic kind
Speaker 1: of segues into UM the catalog catalog question that someone
Speaker 1: wanted to know the Sugar Knight or Reggie Wright Jr.
Speaker 1: Make any money off of the death Row catalogs and
Speaker 1: they were specific in two thousand nineteen, Uh death Row
Speaker 1: catalog was lost in the bankruptcy E one? Uh which
Speaker 1: used to be Caught? Right? Which used to be Caught
Speaker 1: currently owns it? And what year did they take possession
Speaker 1: of that or pay for that? It was lost in
Speaker 1: the bankruptcy in two thousand nine. I believe it was
Speaker 1: a company called Wide Awake that eventually purchased it in
Speaker 1: the in the in the bankruptcy sale, and then UM
Speaker 1: contraventually or E one eventually purchased it from Wide Awake.
Speaker 1: I am still employed by E one. I get a
Speaker 1: consulting check once a month, and I owned some of
Speaker 1: the publishings that were done on some of the albums
Speaker 1: from about nine two uh two thousand two, I was
Speaker 1: on one of them. No twopoc stuff since it's two thousand,
Speaker 1: or do you have any old tuopoc stuff. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we we did somebody else and some purchases from some
Speaker 1: of the artists that were appeared on the New Songs.
Speaker 1: And I guess since we talked a lot about this
Speaker 1: last week, from what you're saying, I'm a little confused.
Speaker 1: How would Cas Big Cas be an owner of any
Speaker 1: of the How could big Cas be an owner of
Speaker 1: any of the of the previous death Row Records catalog
Speaker 1: if he one slash Cotch acquired it in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: because because it's a liar, he's just a straight up liar.
Speaker 1: Unless he sold it to the one he's a liar.
Speaker 1: He did, he's not even saying if you listen to
Speaker 1: the new interview that he did with um now, I
Speaker 1: forget the name some some dude nine interview yesterday interview,
Speaker 1: uh somebody room, I forget the name of the guy.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. But he even admit he just
Speaker 1: took it and he sold it to them so they
Speaker 1: can have it. Is what he's changing. And he didn't
Speaker 1: change up his story about three or four times, if
Speaker 1: y'all really listened to all these different stories, but now
Speaker 1: needs to saying he took it, he beat me up,
Speaker 1: knocked me out and took it at the office. Anybody
Speaker 1: that knows or followed any of the stuff. No, death
Speaker 1: Row didn't have an office in two thousand seven. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you really know, I wasn't even really kind of
Speaker 1: messing with Sugar, I think in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: I didn't even start back until the two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight two thousand nine messing with chef. But um, we
Speaker 1: didn't have an office, our studio. We didn't have any
Speaker 1: artists in two thousand and seven because she was dealing
Speaker 1: with the bankruptly for about two thousand five to two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, and so his stories just don't add up.
Speaker 1: But he's he's pushing this agenda for some reason and
Speaker 1: more proper to the brother, I guess. So I guess
Speaker 1: the answer to that question is, yes, you do make
Speaker 1: some money off of of the old death Row catalogs. Well,
Speaker 1: I get a consulting fee. But the main thing is, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some money. He's under the company called Simon says,
Speaker 1: the music publishing that that that I own, Big Simon
Speaker 1: Simon says, the music publisher. So death Rows music kind
Speaker 1: of spread out through different companies. Now it's not under
Speaker 1: one umbrella. One company owns a dent of death row
Speaker 1: records or it's all chopped up. No, it's one company,
Speaker 1: which is the one um Interscope Um. They released everything
Speaker 1: pretty much. Uh. I don't know if they still have
Speaker 1: the greatest Hits album and stuff like that, but they
Speaker 1: have like two or three albums still over there, but
Speaker 1: mainly everything is done by a one entertainment. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you, rich if if cash did have that, how
Speaker 1: much could you sell it for? Well, if you you
Speaker 1: you have some stolen I stolen Yeah, it's called no
Speaker 1: Jumper was the name of that the channel he was on.
Speaker 1: But um uh, I mean, if you have some stolen property,
Speaker 1: it's easier and it's easy to some some executives will
Speaker 1: give you a hundred thousand dollars, but you're not making
Speaker 1: any money off him. You know if he had a
Speaker 1: bunch of reels and stuff like that, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't have We didn't even have it in our possession.
Speaker 1: We turned it all over the records that we had.
Speaker 1: We found something I took from Das's wife and and
Speaker 1: Dass about in two thousand to two thousand three. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was president when they were taking I remember he
Speaker 1: was at the office. It was that the g wagon
Speaker 1: pulling up and some reals getting pulled out and put
Speaker 1: on the dolly and put and ticket. Maybe they came
Speaker 1: from track to the office. Yeah, well that's probably how
Speaker 1: I did. But but but I but we left that
Speaker 1: in the possession of a guy named but who got
Speaker 1: in trouble from it. Uh during the bank rough c Uh.
Speaker 1: What's small was like our engineer Bull still good dude,
Speaker 1: still in Detroit. He's still working, good dude. But he
Speaker 1: got in trouble him and his wife. He was holding
Speaker 1: some of the stuff we had and him and his
Speaker 1: wife got a domestic violence issue or something, and she
Speaker 1: called and snitched him out and said and they came in,
Speaker 1: and the police came and took those, uh, the little
Speaker 1: items that that was being hell. Now, the way cast
Speaker 1: tells the story is that he eventually turned them over
Speaker 1: to POC's mom, a Fanny Shakoor. That's what he said
Speaker 1: in a previous she he said that in the previous interview,
Speaker 1: But if you look at this new interview he did today,
Speaker 1: he said he the interscope, which interscope can care less
Speaker 1: because they had no more use for it. They even
Speaker 1: gave the ones that he had from four, gave it
Speaker 1: to the mama, said here, you can have it. They don't.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to be in the park business anymore,
Speaker 1: but interscope and he said, uh, he won cutty check.
Speaker 1: That's just because he's just learning and here and stuff,
Speaker 1: and he gave it to them. This is new story.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the story you heard that I heard before.
Speaker 1: It was totally different than the new story he's telling. Okay,
Speaker 1: so does a Fanny shakor two parts late? Mother and
Speaker 1: her state owned any of poks music. They owned everything
Speaker 1: that hasn't been distributed currently. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: songs he never released, like over a I don't think
Speaker 1: is that many fun and you did a song that
Speaker 1: was under the Death Row label Spider Well. I appeared
Speaker 1: on the what was it called the Functional Family soundtrack
Speaker 1: Eddie Griffith uh stand up movie. She was responsible for
Speaker 1: putting soundtrack together. Got a chance to work with Lisa
Speaker 1: Left Eye Lopez request he said he owns that too.
Speaker 1: He said he got all that too. Let me hold
Speaker 1: something that's a bad brother, So that means he's got
Speaker 1: your stuff that got lit. Yeah. I wrote for her
Speaker 1: on there too. Yeah, so I did some writing on there.
Speaker 1: I did perform me you know, my whole I go
Speaker 1: with Snoop Dogg began on there sucking with Sugar. I
Speaker 1: got kind of like I got pumped up one time. Now,
Speaker 1: during um, the late nineties, you was making a big
Speaker 1: name out here in l A. But you ended up
Speaker 1: hooking up with the East Coast hip hop movement. Um,
Speaker 1: did you ever think that I should have pushed with
Speaker 1: Sugar and some of these West Coast companies rather than
Speaker 1: going I had a two year stint with shild no
Speaker 1: uh it had rainash Courts. You know, if you look
Speaker 1: at Sugar and if you're looking at the East Coast
Speaker 1: situation that I dealt with, neither of them were able
Speaker 1: to do what they intended to do for me, for
Speaker 1: anyone after me either. So I don't believe that they
Speaker 1: had a coastal issue with um the lack of success
Speaker 1: you saw those two runs half. I think both of
Speaker 1: those individuals found themselves in positions where they weren't really
Speaker 1: able to benefit artist period. And you know, unfortunately those
Speaker 1: were the situations that I was in. But because I'm confused,
Speaker 1: like you were an incredible poet, I appreciate and you
Speaker 1: had or still still have mad skills when it comes
Speaker 1: to thank you. This game we call rap. But for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, you didn't get pushed out there, whether it
Speaker 1: was when you was with death Row or with gun
Speaker 1: It the way I thought you was gonna get pushed
Speaker 1: out here. You know what happened. Um, we still get
Speaker 1: as the best as yet to come. It's humbling and
Speaker 1: stumbling through a game with all these skills and the
Speaker 1: ones at the top are only mumbling, you know, But
Speaker 1: I'm just living. It's a variation of things. But like
Speaker 1: I say, if you look at the two CEOs that
Speaker 1: I were direct I was directly dealing with, neither of
Speaker 1: them have been able to have success as a CEO
Speaker 1: post what they tried to do for me. So it
Speaker 1: kind of takes some of the responsibility off myself. And
Speaker 1: I think timing, you know, and just situations. But neither
Speaker 1: should nor Curtis has been able to be to put
Speaker 1: an artists out and see some success posted their attempt
Speaker 1: with me. So you can look at that there and
Speaker 1: kind of assess it, and like you say, the value
Speaker 1: that they saw in me it's still here. Now you
Speaker 1: go in on fifty, really hard. You don't really go
Speaker 1: in on shugar that hard. I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: consider myself going in on fifty hard. I just keep
Speaker 1: it a Google, and the Google is like just factually based.
Speaker 1: And if you can tell me something I said that
Speaker 1: you considered me going in really hard, then I might
Speaker 1: I would agree. But I just feel like he's done
Speaker 1: a lot of things that to be observed and perhaps
Speaker 1: spoken upon unfavorably. I got one that you are going hard,
Speaker 1: man fighter say they'll be on the road on doing shows,
Speaker 1: and then they'd be having all the fine women on
Speaker 1: the road and the one person that he picked up
Speaker 1: rubbing down with the baby. All it was more than one.
Speaker 1: But the gender, but the gender of the guy he was.
Speaker 1: He was as a customer comfortable with having a man
Speaker 1: all his muscles and his tattoos before he took stage.
Speaker 1: It was just it. It was just something I observed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm not saying anything, I'm not is
Speaker 1: that going hard by being honest about what I observed. No,
Speaker 1: I've heard you say way more aggressive. That that sticks
Speaker 1: out of my fresh memory because I mean, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's not as bad as what you said. Mister
Speaker 1: lay did about Yeah, I'm just saying what I saw.
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking you, but you said going hard. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how that's going hard. I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem such as how we didn't we didn't have it.
Speaker 1: I've never called I said, say a woman, I prefer
Speaker 1: James to run me down. Then this pretty young lady
Speaker 1: that I've never called him a faggot. I am letting
Speaker 1: you know. I was in his presence on numerous occasions,
Speaker 1: and he had a practice where when he took states,
Speaker 1: you would like to beat bare back, no clothes on.
Speaker 1: He would like to highlight with the lights his tattoos,
Speaker 1: like the muscles and ship in his back, and in
Speaker 1: front of a lot of people all the time he
Speaker 1: would get these motherfuckering tattoos oil and it was two
Speaker 1: niggas used to rotate or hallem pretty shot. Well, bodybuilders
Speaker 1: do that too when they compete. I want you to
Speaker 1: also to realize, like just right now, if you was
Speaker 1: finning takes a picture, you want it or it was
Speaker 1: us for here, who would oil your back? Nigger. What
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is he used to have female dancers.
Speaker 1: Olivia was there. Um, there was wardrobe females. There was
Speaker 1: a multitude of females available to hook him up, but
Speaker 1: for some reason he would just roll with the homies.
Speaker 1: And then Vivica say something about him, said that from
Speaker 1: her experience, she's not sure he's hetero sexual. And he
Speaker 1: tried to explain what she might mean and said, because
Speaker 1: he enjoyed her having oral sex in his anal, that
Speaker 1: she considers him gay. That's what he said. I actually
Speaker 1: remember you talking to about this on your channel, and
Speaker 1: tell everybody what's your channel? Is something Spider most easty
Speaker 1: backslash YouTube dot com and in the basement somewhere when
Speaker 1: the black box, Yeah, he got you gotta tap into
Speaker 1: the black Why the hell is Spider look at when
Speaker 1: he does his chan black box? Man, it's like a
Speaker 1: torch room or something down Man, it gets really in
Speaker 1: the black box. We keep it facts with feeling, We
Speaker 1: keep it a google You all welcome he speaking on that.
Speaker 1: That's another CEO. That's something else that those two CEOs
Speaker 1: have in common, like people playing with the ain't know, Wow,
Speaker 1: never heard of that. She put it out there. Now
Speaker 1: we're talking about tauson salads now? Is that the topic
Speaker 1: of the show right now? I thought, because actually, let
Speaker 1: me let me clarify that. But it's from a female too.
Speaker 1: To think about, is it's not something I'm exposed that
Speaker 1: I'm not exposed because it's like he heard of and
Speaker 1: I heard females say that as well. Okay, well, James
Speaker 1: goes in on Sugar all the time. He got not
Speaker 1: nice to say about. Now, Well, a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: you went in on him. Well, I went in because
Speaker 1: a month ago I was gonna write this catal letter,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to you know, fix you know our problem.
Speaker 1: I know it can't be fixed. You know the damage
Speaker 1: is done. But he used to pain a little bit.
Speaker 1: I got questions for Sugar that I need answers to,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I reached out the
Speaker 1: reds Let me get his hook up so I can
Speaker 1: sit down and write in something, let him know what's
Speaker 1: on my mind and why I feel the way I
Speaker 1: feel a body. So I was gonna do that, and
Speaker 1: then I hear he said, oh, shoot talking ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: shoot talking ship while in jail. You know I'm not
Speaker 1: doing I'm not doing. He can talk shit in there
Speaker 1: and and with everybody, Compton, whoever, everybody know when I
Speaker 1: talked Ship, I talked Ship to Sugar in his face.
Speaker 1: So I can sit right here and say, Nigga, you're
Speaker 1: a bit. If I saw him to morrow in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you're a bitch nigger and and that's it. And that's it,
Speaker 1: like with the you know, the majority of the mother cats.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I choose to just
Speaker 1: close the door on that dude and and everybody else
Speaker 1: that's you know, rocking that ship. You know, it's been
Speaker 1: seventeen twenty years. I'm still winning for Nigga to say
Speaker 1: a word to me, you feel me. And it's been
Speaker 1: seventeen since my brother been going that that. I've been
Speaker 1: sitting here waiting for it. Go On, go on, Jay,
Speaker 1: let's sit down and talk. I ain't I ain't talk
Speaker 1: to none of them. It's like I wasn't silent. I
Speaker 1: ain't sunk with none of them. Catch since uh at
Speaker 1: a bunch of passed. UH did a little few things
Speaker 1: with which should to keep ship right? And after that
Speaker 1: I bounced. You know, it wasn't worth it for me. Reggie,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the idea of him writing
Speaker 1: a letter to sug Well, I was all foreign. I
Speaker 1: could give him the address and everything, but then as
Speaker 1: as you as as I just got word back from
Speaker 1: things and people, was like the nigga doing that bit
Speaker 1: ship again. Rench. So what what would you what would
Speaker 1: that letter look like James? Well, it would just be
Speaker 1: basically me, you know, getting at him on a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of wives. You know what I'm saying. And you
Speaker 1: really expect answers from him? Yeah? Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: he would have. He would have tried to call the people,
Speaker 1: call a bunch of the homies to explain that. He
Speaker 1: would have called James some of that. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ship that I told sure that
Speaker 1: he shouldn't do. And this is where we shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna last long getting down like this farthest
Speaker 1: business whatever. You didn't come in here as against it.
Speaker 1: You don't want to leave his motherfucker like a gagster.
Speaker 1: But he chose that road and it's just where you
Speaker 1: wind up back. Uh. I would have loved to write
Speaker 1: the letter to him and and and just just get that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not going right now, nigger
Speaker 1: that field the way he feel. I mean, he can
Speaker 1: kiss my aunts. Man. So I'm I'm cool on that,
Speaker 1: and I pretty much don't even want to mention the
Speaker 1: sugar night. No more Sugar is doing sugar, James doing James.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that as that and not say anything
Speaker 1: bad about Shug. I've seen his son on YouTube. He's
Speaker 1: trying to revive death row. Well, but the things that
Speaker 1: I say, the things I said about you, what about
Speaker 1: these people listening like Seretha some things I said about
Speaker 1: the sugar it affects Seretha. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: keep talking about him and ben't hurting her. She just
Speaker 1: that's his wife, that's I mean, she that's how well, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's you know what I mean. But at the time,
Speaker 1: Sarita was like us, nothing but respect because of you've
Speaker 1: married the ship and it went beyond that. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was just like the home girl. She was just
Speaker 1: that's si, you know what I'm saying. She never been
Speaker 1: out of never got out of line, never said nothing disrespectful,
Speaker 1: and none of the cats that I know of Andy
Speaker 1: never said nothing disrespectful to her. So she was she
Speaker 1: was good. But me talking like that, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the kids might say, oh my daddy, like this or
Speaker 1: why this dude keep calling my daddy a bitch and
Speaker 1: my daddy don't do nothing. I mean, let me just
Speaker 1: leave Shig alone. It's a waste of time. Now, Red,
Speaker 1: you used to visit should when he was in prison
Speaker 1: the last time. Do you plan on making any visits
Speaker 1: to him this time? Why not? I don't have that
Speaker 1: relationship with him anymore. I don't, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't heard things, and I know a lot that's
Speaker 1: going down that's been saying, and I don't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: The one good thing that I like that he got
Speaker 1: got you got his son. Uh shook a little shop,
Speaker 1: Uh shook. Jacob Knight. He's not Ship Knight Junior. I
Speaker 1: don't know why people keep saying that because your name
Speaker 1: is marrying unite. But anyway, I like that he's saying that.
Speaker 1: He stop saying that bullshit. That's tupacas a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: If y'all noticed, is his latest interview, he really, you know,
Speaker 1: stop saying that bullshot. And spite of you had a
Speaker 1: relationship with Shock for a minute. Uh, how do you
Speaker 1: reflect on on that relationship? Man? You know, and it's
Speaker 1: all sitting downe. I don't find any sense you didn't
Speaker 1: have anything negative and said about my experience. I feel
Speaker 1: like I probably appreciated more hungsight than I did when
Speaker 1: I was actually going through it, being real apprehensive not
Speaker 1: to succumb to none of the ship that you hear
Speaker 1: about Shook pulling on people. So anything that wasn't great
Speaker 1: to me was awful. But when I look back, I
Speaker 1: could kind of see that Shugar was a little more straightforward,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the people that are a lot
Speaker 1: yeah in the business that are not as obviously who
Speaker 1: apparently um not as aggressive as him. They had a
Speaker 1: lot more cut though than should have. We heard the
Speaker 1: last from should since he's got to do twenty eight years.
Speaker 1: I heard some su will be back. But does it
Speaker 1: matter though, my That's that's the whole thing about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna walk away from the situation,
Speaker 1: walk away from it. Why we're doing this podcast? Why
Speaker 1: do we have to talk about ship? Its name come up,
Speaker 1: his name come up. But I'm not gonna keep speaking
Speaker 1: on Shook. I didn't say that all I had to say.
Speaker 1: There's no more words I can choose to to destrive him,
Speaker 1: to to make him look bad, to anything. So it's
Speaker 1: waste of time for me. And I think when his
Speaker 1: name come up, I'm just gonna flip the mic and
Speaker 1: just sitting and go to sleep because I'm tired. I'm
Speaker 1: tired of talking about They're gonna be bringing up death
Speaker 1: Row questions and Sugar Night questions for years to come.
Speaker 1: I mean, death Row Records was probably the run they
Speaker 1: had was the largest, most successful record company probably in
Speaker 1: American history. So how are we not going to talk
Speaker 1: about that for the next ten out even outdo it
Speaker 1: in the future is not to take away the fact
Speaker 1: that it was the first of its kind, so that's
Speaker 1: going to always be revisited. And I don't even know
Speaker 1: if we really credit Sugar for the success of Death Row.
Speaker 1: I think I think we kind of overcredit. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we overcredit for for the success because I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of people behind the scenes. It's
Speaker 1: more than part of this death Row machine. More so
Speaker 1: than a lot. There were quite a few, a few,
Speaker 1: a couple that were quite they experienced that of success,
Speaker 1: and that's saying genre music postsha a couple of people,
Speaker 1: but but but none of them owned their masters and
Speaker 1: all of that until and started only their masters and
Speaker 1: all that until he taught them about that. You know,
Speaker 1: I look at t D and I know they learned
Speaker 1: from death row, but they do know they don't they
Speaker 1: don't their masters. I bet I don't know the specifics
Speaker 1: of it. But TDE right now is on a really
Speaker 1: nice run. So um, next question, James, you did security
Speaker 1: for Snoop DOGG. Yeah. I did the his trials murder
Speaker 1: trial and the way I got there and should call
Speaker 1: me and man, I need you to get some of
Speaker 1: the homies. That's with the business, uh Snoop people coming
Speaker 1: up there threatening and Snoop don't want to come down
Speaker 1: from the court room and whoop the whoop. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: many do you want me to get get about? Yea?
Speaker 1: So he told me that I charged him for fifteen,
Speaker 1: but I only have five. I got fair every every
Speaker 1: every week for fifteen people, and I only had five,
Speaker 1: and I chose to five that I knew. I was
Speaker 1: ready to stand there with me if those cats came
Speaker 1: up there to bother the Snoop. That was my job
Speaker 1: to protect Snoop soho by any means if they came
Speaker 1: up there on my watch. We had had a problems. Well,
Speaker 1: the question is why why did Snoop have you doing
Speaker 1: it with the pirous rather than the script friends. They
Speaker 1: they was pushing up on it. They his homeboys was
Speaker 1: pushing up on him at the time. And when they
Speaker 1: were saying that his homeboys was talking about they want
Speaker 1: this amount of money or they gonna go and then
Speaker 1: fuck his trial up and ship like that, should say
Speaker 1: go up there and make sure they don't get up there.
Speaker 1: And what was happening is Big Sea Style was his
Speaker 1: boy and I mean he kept he kind of controlled
Speaker 1: stuff him and tradeing for the most part, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't be around him like that because Big Sea Style
Speaker 1: is Snoop. Bill almost got revoked where he end up
Speaker 1: getting put on house ar us because they got into
Speaker 1: a traffic a role rage as we know today incident
Speaker 1: where uh and all through the female police officer said
Speaker 1: that Big Sea Style pointed a gun at her and
Speaker 1: um and you know, doing the role rage and they
Speaker 1: was trying to revoke revoke his bill where they just
Speaker 1: put him on house arrest and so he was pretty
Speaker 1: much banded from hanging around guys like that is what
Speaker 1: eventually happened while he was out on bail and and
Speaker 1: so none of his two main guys was able to
Speaker 1: do it. So now you've got all the other snakes
Speaker 1: that was used to pushing up all snoop from his neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I was trying, you know, now I know where he at.
Speaker 1: You know, he end up at cann right now. So
Speaker 1: I can't go up to the canal or whatever, but
Speaker 1: I can come up to the courthouse and I need this.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe getting pushed up, they get pushed up on,
Speaker 1: even if it's a thousand dollars or whatever. But when
Speaker 1: you're fighting for your life and all that, you don't
Speaker 1: need that stress in your life. And so what James
Speaker 1: was there for just to keep that stru saw all
Speaker 1: of us like while he was up there fighting for
Speaker 1: his life and trying to deal with the fight. So
Speaker 1: what was the process? Did you go pick him up
Speaker 1: or would you meet him in the north? I met
Speaker 1: his his pops and whoever he had with him. When
Speaker 1: they came. We was at the door. We walked to
Speaker 1: the door, walking to the elevator. They went up. I
Speaker 1: never went to the floor where he doing his trial.
Speaker 1: That was their business. When he came down, I was
Speaker 1: at the elevator we walked out the door to the lot.
Speaker 1: He got in his car, then him we went and
Speaker 1: did us. That was only that was my job. What
Speaker 1: were the lunch breaks? Like? It was every time they
Speaker 1: took a break, we said in the in the cafeteria,
Speaker 1: he probably went with his pops and did whatever. He's
Speaker 1: sitting there A couple of times came in and kicked it.
Speaker 1: But Snoop was cool. I'm just I'm not there. Damn,
Speaker 1: I gotta clean to this cat. Snoop was over there
Speaker 1: where I could see him. And when he walked and
Speaker 1: my boys had him, I'm walking on the side when
Speaker 1: they're doing them pictures. I didn't want to be a
Speaker 1: part of the pictures I've seen in the picture, so
Speaker 1: I walked side to the side of him. As long
Speaker 1: as they did their jobed they was good. So you
Speaker 1: must be in some of the footage of him. And
Speaker 1: if I am, they're lucky they come me. Yeah around.
Speaker 1: So how was you able to get away with bringing
Speaker 1: five cats but charging for fifteen. Well, when any time
Speaker 1: Shill came up there, I got wound. Wound him over here,
Speaker 1: then right here it happened, and and and I always
Speaker 1: had a plan. If they do come and we get
Speaker 1: this altercation. If we have altercation in the parking lot,
Speaker 1: you gotta go this way that way. So I told Shell, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got uh Sam them right here on the corner
Speaker 1: over there, just kicking it in the car. And then
Speaker 1: I got them over here. I got five over year.
Speaker 1: So if they if they try to leave, even come
Speaker 1: up here. Everybody doing the job. We got him. And
Speaker 1: ship wasn't coming to court every day every time the weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and did you get to meet Johnny Cochrane, He wasn't
Speaker 1: on the case. Then he went on. He got shogned,
Speaker 1: dog off. I thought, Johnny Cochrane defended this is a
Speaker 1: different this is not this is just murder case. But
Speaker 1: it was four of them, four attorneys on their case.
Speaker 1: Two of the defendants got this dismissed prior to it
Speaker 1: going to trial. And and and when I said, I
Speaker 1: didn't deal with none of them, I didn't deal with money,
Speaker 1: none of that. Malik, the co defendant Milick was the
Speaker 1: actual shooter. Yeah, he put that by yourself, hustling the snoop?
Speaker 1: Did he When he walked into the court room, he
Speaker 1: was cool, kind of collective. He already knew he was
Speaker 1: going home. Malick used to play football. He was good.
Speaker 1: It was good. But karate as well, that was just Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess Malik did his job as a security right,
Speaker 1: but end up getting charged with a murder. Well they hunted, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they Their problem was they went back. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to say on that. Hey, you
Speaker 1: still did we get into it and then okay, if
Speaker 1: I deal something with you right now, then I may justify.
Speaker 1: But if I leave and then come back, you know,
Speaker 1: has a different way of allowing self defense. But if
Speaker 1: you and I get into a fight and you pull
Speaker 1: a gun on on me and threatened to shoot me,
Speaker 1: and then you leave get a gun, and then I
Speaker 1: go get a gun and I see you a block
Speaker 1: away and I kill you, is that self defense? Reggie
Speaker 1: the first? But okay, the lawyers, when you pull that
Speaker 1: gun out for me and I left, I was supposed
Speaker 1: to go and do what calling the motherfucking police, that's
Speaker 1: what the law is. That's but that's not they ain't
Speaker 1: the law. But that's for a reasonable person, and that's
Speaker 1: what you' supposed to do. Especially after you go and
Speaker 1: you go get a guy and come back and shoot them,
Speaker 1: then it is like, why you put yourself in that situation?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you just leave white people. I'll give you
Speaker 1: one reason why, Because I don't know if you're coming back.
Speaker 1: I could go on myself. I came back to the
Speaker 1: park and hunting me down with that guy because we
Speaker 1: didn't know if he was coming back. We didn't know
Speaker 1: if that guy was gonna come back and say come back.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it happened where I was standing at.
Speaker 1: I went to the park and hunt you. Now you're
Speaker 1: using the word hunt like they drove to the park.
Speaker 1: They were living in some apartments down here and they
Speaker 1: went to the park. Well, the guy that was killed
Speaker 1: was an aggressor at some moment, at some previous moment.
Speaker 1: Right now you put you were cause right now you're
Speaker 1: going on me and I go to my car, get
Speaker 1: im going to come back and do something to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got that self defense for me. Look I would
Speaker 1: say yeah, because you don't know what I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: to you. Five minutes, I need to get my ass
Speaker 1: in the car. They're are going to get in the
Speaker 1: gun and get my car and leave. The police are
Speaker 1: allowed to gun people down because they thinked something's a threat.
Speaker 1: Immediately not go and then go to the station and
Speaker 1: or go away to my backup for the police. If
Speaker 1: the police. Yeah, the police, Yeah, I'll see them getting
Speaker 1: indicted and getting the rested. The only one in the
Speaker 1: world they've seen it. One just got indicted, got I'm convicted. Recently,
Speaker 1: they always said, I'm not saying they're getting I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they're getting convicted. Yeah, whatever, whatever they're going. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they think. But they are getting arrested
Speaker 1: more than what they're not enough, not nearly enough to
Speaker 1: even report them going through arrest. You know people last
Speaker 1: question they hate right now. That was very tricky and
Speaker 1: in the state of California. I've sat in on a
Speaker 1: lot of trials and I've beat a chelf defense case.
Speaker 1: I murdered in California. Yeah, yeah, come cold, me and
Speaker 1: my little brother who's police and oil shares. No, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't get the police. No, But I mean who was
Speaker 1: the resting agency coming police back in the day day
Speaker 1: that was man, Yeah, yeah, I know you want to
Speaker 1: be nine four No, I think it was not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety just as many brothers in Compton in l A.
Speaker 1: I had a cat following a little was the neighborhood
Speaker 1: trying to trying to robbed me from my car at
Speaker 1: a Cadillac. So this older guy had these three younger
Speaker 1: guys in the vand with him trying to and making
Speaker 1: them get out, holding you up, taking the card and bouncing.
Speaker 1: So this is one of the reasons why we we
Speaker 1: actually beat the case because when they met us in
Speaker 1: front of the house, the guy got out and the
Speaker 1: first thing he did was popped. So when he shot,
Speaker 1: we let him have it, and then he drives them
Speaker 1: straight to the hospital. But not knowing we got police
Speaker 1: running around here already around the corners. Woo whatever, and um,
Speaker 1: we go to jail. We're sitting in jail. It's like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: we gotta motherfucking murder. Two attempted murders, three attempted murders.
Speaker 1: The driver and the three guys. One guy is dead,
Speaker 1: he's fifteen, the other guy is sixteen, the one the
Speaker 1: other one is seventeen. The guy that is driving the
Speaker 1: car is thirty five something like that. What happened was
Speaker 1: they gave him the murder. M hm. They gave him
Speaker 1: the murder for that's the same reason that the roles
Speaker 1: in jail now I think that guy should have never Michael. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's the only survivor of the four. It was
Speaker 1: the stones, the two guys versed the two guys Anderson,
Speaker 1: but you know they overturned no cases. Now they got
Speaker 1: something with the Stony murder rule where they letting people out.
Speaker 1: There's some new uh law they called the nineteen rule. Nineteen. Yeah, Michael,
Speaker 1: he should get out. He should have never been charged
Speaker 1: with the murder. Then the gun he used wasn't even his.
Speaker 1: He grabbed the other guy's gonna save his life and
Speaker 1: gets hit with a murders. Go to our last question,
Speaker 1: three murders? Did they talking with three? But the reason
Speaker 1: is why? Because yeah, but that's my boy, Michael Roger
Speaker 1: last question of the day. I think Reggie, you might
Speaker 1: know a lot about this, but what really happened to
Speaker 1: Frank Alexander? Now, Frank Alexander was, Yeah, he was worked
Speaker 1: for me right away to protect the services, and he
Speaker 1: was one of the security. He wasn't the main one.
Speaker 1: He builds himself up to he's the most vocal one.
Speaker 1: He's the most vocal one after two bucks down. But
Speaker 1: Kevin Hackie was his main one. But anyway, this is
Speaker 1: a guy that uh obviously was fighting mental illness, and um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot on nobody with this mental
Speaker 1: illness because I understand it's the disease. So you didn't
Speaker 1: screen the people that was working for right, Well this
Speaker 1: was later, this was four years later, but he was
Speaker 1: working for Orange County Sheriff's Department. So he used to
Speaker 1: be a cop, he used. Uh, well that's what we thought,
Speaker 1: but we found out he just worked in the jail.
Speaker 1: I screened him, but I guess I didn't do a
Speaker 1: good enough job. But I said it would hard him
Speaker 1: because he had a gun permitted and he had a
Speaker 1: badge and idea and all of that, and he looked good.
Speaker 1: He was you know, he did his job. He was,
Speaker 1: like I said, he was a good one. He pulled
Speaker 1: out you know, snooping him when he when the shooting
Speaker 1: happened at the trill. They loved him after that. He
Speaker 1: because you know, the niggles all in there high and
Speaker 1: loaded and funked up, and he wanted came and ran
Speaker 1: in there and you know he's experne as well and
Speaker 1: pulled them out of the trailer and you know made
Speaker 1: him feel safe. Um. But anyway, um, but what really happened,
Speaker 1: and the question is is, ah, how did he die?
Speaker 1: Is what they really want to want to know. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy that was being vocal and saying
Speaker 1: this and saying that because he was trying to make
Speaker 1: money off of DVDs and and stuff like that got
Speaker 1: caught off with the fame and all of that. But
Speaker 1: it's quite quite easily explained what happened. He put a
Speaker 1: gun in his mouth, pull the trigger and blew his
Speaker 1: brains out in front of his wife. What why someone
Speaker 1: would be saying, I'd say the depression, that you gotta
Speaker 1: be depressed, or um, you gotta have some type of
Speaker 1: mental illness in my opinion to do you ever see
Speaker 1: signs that he was not balanced? Yeah, when he started
Speaker 1: lying on all he got them DVDs while he was working.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, he until he got what people
Speaker 1: started doing DVDs and books after after the fact. Um,
Speaker 1: he was a straight up dude. I thought he was
Speaker 1: straight up. And when it was his last, when did
Speaker 1: he leave death row? He left death row immediately at
Speaker 1: the park die because he was the one that left
Speaker 1: his gun in the car and then have his gun
Speaker 1: with him and so I immediately had to get rid
Speaker 1: of him after that, but didn he say that he
Speaker 1: told him don't bring any remember him saying that we
Speaker 1: were told by Right Way security, and that's what they
Speaker 1: were saying. But that was the people that was working
Speaker 1: inside the club, not the bodyguards. The people there was
Speaker 1: two details. It was bodyguards detail. And then there was
Speaker 1: a guy that was working inside at the nightclub. And
Speaker 1: I told them, well, you didn't work. You didn't work
Speaker 1: for me, didn't Yeah. I had told no, don't bring
Speaker 1: no gun exactly exactly. And he even said in his
Speaker 1: book he said the reason why he didn't have his
Speaker 1: gun is in black and white in his book, is
Speaker 1: because at the last minute, Tupac I asked him to
Speaker 1: dry the outlaws in the car and his car was
Speaker 1: parked um and in self parking, and he didn't want
Speaker 1: to hold up the entourage until Parky needs to go
Speaker 1: back to his car to get his gun. He writes
Speaker 1: that in black and white in his book. And now,
Speaker 1: how many security was in that entourage that night? If
Speaker 1: that worked for you, that worked for me. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to been too, but it was only one. Kevin
Speaker 1: Hacky Uh I didn't show up and I wasn't notified
Speaker 1: that he wasn't there as far as the company was
Speaker 1: that you be responsible. I'm just gonna ask that how
Speaker 1: could it? How could have stopped? What could have stopped
Speaker 1: the shot for the guy that you had to let go?
Speaker 1: Should have been or could have been more competent? Did
Speaker 1: The only thing he could have done has been a
Speaker 1: better eye witness. If I was the only thing I
Speaker 1: could have did? What got a license plate script of
Speaker 1: the car? You know, he could not have gotten an
Speaker 1: eye on an outcoming watch out, step on the gas
Speaker 1: and got off if he was been if he had
Speaker 1: to get off because he was driving, it was he
Speaker 1: was on officciety was standing with TUPI when Tupac when
Speaker 1: and got a Orlando. Yeah, he was the one that
Speaker 1: got them. If you see anything about to happen that
Speaker 1: he should should He never called me about the company
Speaker 1: getting paid to do. What were you to ensure that night? Really?
Speaker 1: Uh not? Not not same thing, because no company ain't
Speaker 1: gonna say I can make sure you go home alive.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody go anybody tell you that it's some bullshit?
Speaker 1: Y'all believe that about your security? Y'all need to do
Speaker 1: you think that Yeah, but you're not even pledging the
Speaker 1: return fire all of that. I said he should have
Speaker 1: been able to do that. I said he would for
Speaker 1: not bringing this guys the company. You cannot put that
Speaker 1: on an employee, I posted the man that never go
Speaker 1: with that. You know, you knowed to know that you cannot.
Speaker 1: That would not work in the arbitration whatever that know.
Speaker 1: I think that the way the Cadillac just pulled up
Speaker 1: on the side along the entourage with no one questioning
Speaker 1: what's this car doing? Who's in that car? Oh, these
Speaker 1: dudes aren't with witness security. He eating my question. But
Speaker 1: if you ain't got his heat questions, you gotta have
Speaker 1: a heat with you. Security. That's what you'll think about.
Speaker 1: Security is supposed to be there because as soon as
Speaker 1: the window. The only reason I'm mention this because you
Speaker 1: guys already talking about not having his gun. So that
Speaker 1: don't can I do when you hear some gunshot if
Speaker 1: you have four security, Oh we had all that up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if that wouldn't happen, But that's not how. You don't
Speaker 1: know which bullet from You don't know if the first bullet,
Speaker 1: the second bullet, the third bullet, the fourth, fifth, the sixth.
Speaker 1: We don't know that, but it wasn't. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: right way guys there, we had ten here the idea,
Speaker 1: I mean because it's because it's stupidity in my mind,
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen presidents and everything gets shot up
Speaker 1: in a car. He ain't saying no, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: even tripping on that. I'm just trying to say, but
Speaker 1: I had there was ten. When the president dies on
Speaker 1: their watch, you all take respond say, but what can
Speaker 1: you do? What can you do? But we had we
Speaker 1: had ten of fifteen other homeboys that was armed and
Speaker 1: in the entourage as well. And what did the first
Speaker 1: thing they did? The neighborhood dropped the ball, They dug
Speaker 1: the security. They are done and they chased them down.
Speaker 1: Here you is, you got a tupac in the car.
Speaker 1: I just had a fight, which you shouldn't have never
Speaker 1: fought in the front first place, because he didn't even
Speaker 1: know that the cat that took off on Trey Bonds
Speaker 1: he from Compton. You ain't never hung in Compton. So
Speaker 1: how do you know what you're doing? You don't, but
Speaker 1: somebody was in his ear. They should have took him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he takes off like Okay, go ahead, because because
Speaker 1: the way you make it seem like they could have
Speaker 1: grabbed him and stuff like that Poc took off. No,
Speaker 1: I don't say that they shouldn't grabbed him, but he
Speaker 1: was of em. But I'll go ahead. I'm gonna hear
Speaker 1: what even even if Tupac did do what he do
Speaker 1: with Intlando, in this situation happened, Tupac shouldn't win the
Speaker 1: other way. They should have took Tupac that way and
Speaker 1: should that way, and the entourage should have kept or
Speaker 1: after Oh they did, they got, but they got. They
Speaker 1: did what the children night and and Tupac riding in
Speaker 1: the garden in front of the damn entourage in front
Speaker 1: of the pack. Now, out of twenty cars, we allowed
Speaker 1: as one car to come up on the side on
Speaker 1: the fighting night in Vegas. Need money back, quarterback, boy,
Speaker 1: Now they know just right is down here? You know
Speaker 1: how I told him to The south side was down there.
Speaker 1: Now you know how do they come down here and
Speaker 1: then get on the side and then bounce? I don't
Speaker 1: think nobody expects know he would say it's easy to
Speaker 1: money money morning, quarterback. I was disagreeing it is, but
Speaker 1: it seems to irritate him to the point even if
Speaker 1: the twenty years. So even though he initial question, where
Speaker 1: do you feel like you bear some responsibility, he was
Speaker 1: adamant with a note, I think it's obvious, there's no
Speaker 1: I think that there should have been at least three
Speaker 1: armed security in that normally, but it was there was
Speaker 1: one author. Yeah, that weren't from you, but you gotta
Speaker 1: remember number one. They just came from a prize fight
Speaker 1: that had fift tickets and all of that. They had
Speaker 1: the people who went to the fight that they wanted
Speaker 1: that to fight with him. That was the homies. When
Speaker 1: none of my security offer to go but free to
Speaker 1: the thing. I could have went if I want to,
Speaker 1: but we had other priorities going on, which was the club.
Speaker 1: People will say, well, well, because you didn't expect that
Speaker 1: to happen. It wasn't that I I would have expected
Speaker 1: the fifteen dudes. That was what the over me. And
Speaker 1: so it was like he said, the fight night, all
Speaker 1: the excitement, you know, that beef happened right there. The
Speaker 1: fact that they're not in confident or Hollywood expect to
Speaker 1: exactly how much time passed, how much time it lapsed
Speaker 1: from pocketing Orlando to getting shot on and they went
Speaker 1: to look at you. Not expected, not expected that quick exactly?
Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah, I'm kind of like in Vegas on
Speaker 1: the strip and all that. Wait a minute, hold up,
Speaker 1: hold up, and I'm gonna speak for the thug nigger
Speaker 1: because of the thug motherfucker got that mentality. I let
Speaker 1: the rapper beat me up. I'm on the strip looking
Speaker 1: for but wait a minute, give me a second. Now,
Speaker 1: he didn't expect to run into the entourage, but going
Speaker 1: up that Las Vegas hit these fools is right in
Speaker 1: right that you feel me. He just said that. In
Speaker 1: this book, he claims he wasn't come there to do
Speaker 1: no shooting and think he was coming to talk. But
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's saying. I think I think
Speaker 1: at the t yeah, I think at the time of
Speaker 1: the shooting, that's what he saying. I think that he
Speaker 1: didn't get his ass with Mando, did man, But he
Speaker 1: controlled a little the young Netfield control. I don't think
Speaker 1: he had no control, but he something. Will you take
Speaker 1: that kind of ass the man? I know they need
Speaker 1: to be. He's bad. There's no wait. I didn't even
Speaker 1: call him bad. I said. I'm saying I said he was. No,
Speaker 1: you used the word of control. When you take that
Speaker 1: type of a beating. There is no control in that
Speaker 1: type of nicked. You wouldn' got that would have got
Speaker 1: in the car with. So you don't think he I
Speaker 1: don't think so either though, to be honest, But you
Speaker 1: don't think they were coming up there? He say they
Speaker 1: were coming up there to talk and try to howlt
Speaker 1: him and say hey, why did y'all just do this
Speaker 1: to my nephew and all that. You think, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but you think they came to the club.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do something at the club six six, Now,
Speaker 1: I would would have been more expected didn't get caught
Speaker 1: in traffic two hours later, Rando, how many homies was
Speaker 1: that the six six to that night? Oh it's probably
Speaker 1: about forty probably, But but but just thinking if they
Speaker 1: ain't that, they wouldn't have came up because he ain't stupid.
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna come to six six, said his book
Speaker 1: what he said. I didn't say that. I don't believe
Speaker 1: that either, because just okay, I'm gonna walk in here
Speaker 1: with all these blood. Yeah, yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna get out of there. I no shooting.
Speaker 1: It's for y'all, three of them. Juan already in the car, scared.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do nothing of corneil Oka ready
Speaker 1: to go. Now, why I didn't, I got what the
Speaker 1: money background, They wouldn't with the business like that. Well,
Speaker 1: he said Big Dre wasn't. And he said Corey, He said,
Speaker 1: Corey pictures out. What do you say from from what
Speaker 1: I hear showed, it's just you and your nephew, y'all
Speaker 1: ain't walking up in six six too, and and gonna
Speaker 1: go confront ship. They said they had big Meat with
Speaker 1: him there and they came up there to put us
Speaker 1: some work. And I'll just say, what you know, you
Speaker 1: from Detroit. I know how it would have been there.
Speaker 1: I laugh every time I hear say he was coming. No,
Speaker 1: he don't say he was. He said he was parked
Speaker 1: in the parking lot Club six to for two hours.
Speaker 1: Is what? In a van? He said it was in
Speaker 1: a van, but he said they were. He said big
Speaker 1: Meat from Detroit, and all of that was. We could
Speaker 1: talk about this for four hours. I had one more
Speaker 1: fact checked out big Meat from last week. I had
Speaker 1: um I had asked I wonder if anyone had ever
Speaker 1: got off of California's death row before. I looked it up,
Speaker 1: and there are five people that have been on California's
Speaker 1: death row that have been that are now free. The
Speaker 1: last one was released in two thousand and eighteen after
Speaker 1: being charged with the murder in Ny. He was latinos
Speaker 1: He did twenty five years in there. And the other
Speaker 1: four let me just say their names real quickly. Patrick
Speaker 1: Croy was released in in two thousand and five for
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine murdered. He did twenty six years. He's
Speaker 1: an out free. Oscar Lee Morris did seventeen years on
Speaker 1: on death row. He is now free. None of them related.
Speaker 1: Troy Lee Jones did fourteen years on death row, and
Speaker 1: the last person is Ernest Graham for nineteen seventy six murder.
Speaker 1: He was exonerated. So there are five people that used
Speaker 1: to be sitting on California's death row that are now free. Uh, Spider, look,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you very much for coming down. Man.
Speaker 1: I think we could say he has an open invitation
Speaker 1: whenever he's got something on his mind. And check out
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel. In that Black Dungeon torture, the black
Speaker 1: box man bottom line product. He keeps it a Google
Speaker 1: every time, and I really, I really mean that he
Speaker 1: does keep it a Google. He's one of the smartest
Speaker 1: brothers from the streets that I know. And I want
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