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Speaker 1: You're tuned into the Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, Regie

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Speaker 1: Right Jr. And Alex Amnzo on the Digital Soapbox Network

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Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated battery. I was a hang

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Speaker 1: gun and they believe this might be in retaliation to

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Speaker 1: her testimony. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles. Good morning, good afternoon, good night. Wherever you're

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Speaker 1: listening from. My name is Alex Alonso and I'm here

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Speaker 1: with my two brothers and Big j. But we also

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Speaker 1: got a special guest, Spider Loco. We got Spider Local

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Speaker 1: the house and um, I actually just interviewed Spider Look

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Speaker 1: a few months ago, so if you haven't checked that out,

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Speaker 1: go VISU Street TV. We did, uh. I cut the

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Speaker 1: interview into two parts or three parts. I think three parts,

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Speaker 1: and the first part is the one you guys love

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Speaker 1: the most. But I loved all three parts. What do

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Speaker 1: you think appreciated? I mean, you know, I always enjoyed

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Speaker 1: telling my story and you know, having interest, so I

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Speaker 1: just enjoyed the process. I like the way you cut

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Speaker 1: it up. I tried to tell your story just a

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Speaker 1: little different from everybody else. Most of the time, you're

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Speaker 1: sitting in the chair telling the story, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: to go out into the navy. I appreciated you're going

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Speaker 1: to um all three of the sections to that you

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Speaker 1: especially the show that we was on with ninety s

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Speaker 1: because for some reason somebody kept going online talking about

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Speaker 1: you never go to East Coast. It's no, the thing

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was an irritant Okay, I gotta remember

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Speaker 1: I was talking. I mean, it's not about no. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just those two words have a very different connotation

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Speaker 1: in this right, is not about don't because you can

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Speaker 1: say that as much as you won't because I choose

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Speaker 1: not to. But when they can't comes up, that was

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Speaker 1: curious to me. Is that right? So I edited that

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Speaker 1: right when Homeboy was saying this, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the comments of that video if I didn't include, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he must be right, Alex just interviews part of Look

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Speaker 1: and they nowhere on in the East Coast. But I

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Speaker 1: have no I have no energy to try to like

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Speaker 1: defend that type my name against that type of claim.

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Speaker 1: The little bit of temptation I did have died right

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Speaker 1: along with the late great neighborhood nil um. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wish she was said about him when I wish

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Speaker 1: he would have not been in his hood. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying that it's such a small crown to

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Speaker 1: even try to improve that I possessed. And then they

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Speaker 1: alleged rat. That's who sparked the rumor on me for sure.

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Speaker 1: Rat And we'll talk let's talk about that in the show.

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Speaker 1: But before we start the show, I want to do

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Speaker 1: a little bit of fact checking from last week. The

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Speaker 1: racial demographics of Compton. It is now six Latino as

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Speaker 1: his name was Casper. We couldn't remember his name. You

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Speaker 1: But um, I do know that he was letting you know,

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Speaker 1: remember last week, I was I had this visions of grandeur.

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Speaker 1: when they got shot at what really happened that day? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I started started off the reason why this question come up?

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Speaker 1: And this is a topic of conversation because Snoop bitch asked,

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Speaker 1: snoop um here. He always tried to make it seem

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Speaker 1: shot at his trailer and Pocket had only been out

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Speaker 1: Biggie took confence to it because you know, the beef

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Speaker 1: Because you know, it wasn't so much that the artist

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Speaker 1: all the hitters from uh, to be honest, that was

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Speaker 1: a snoop thing and so it was mainly his people

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Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, we were we were all back at home.

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of my security was out there. They

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Speaker 1: December of ninety five. It's either November December ninety five

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Speaker 1: all of that, But it wasn't trailer that got shot up.

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Speaker 1: It was dog pound of Snoops used to say he

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Speaker 1: made Snoop turn crip. Well you around when that supposed

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Speaker 1: to hap that turn crip? No, that probably would have

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Speaker 1: been before my time. Nine. I think you never heard

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Speaker 1: I never stopped that, rich. I never heard him saying that,

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Speaker 1: I haven't wait. You haven't never heard him say when

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Speaker 1: that was not a crip name. You don't remember that.

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Speaker 1: So you heard the rest of the story. Rage, I

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Speaker 1: I just know dog is a blood the blood putting,

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Speaker 1: You just got shot at. No one was how the

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Speaker 1: I don't think the beef had anything. There was there

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Speaker 1: Park did tell he had a problem with Bad Boys

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Speaker 1: But isn't that what the East Coast West Coast beef is?

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Speaker 1: It's really death Row bad Boy that's really what. Why

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Speaker 1: That's who we really have questions When Death Row would

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Speaker 1: a marrier. I'm gonna come to your wedding and I'm

426
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: gonna whoop your ass. I'm gonna be very disrespecting. Drey

427
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: strong on the back was when he heard that Mission

428
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: was pregnant. That's why he that was the strong. But

429
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: that's why I say, don't don't get with your feelings

430
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: and emotions with these women all these things, because this

431
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: type of ship happens now what are those kids? How

432
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: old are those kids? And what's their relationship? Like she's

433
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: got a kid by doctor Tray and a kid by sugar.

434
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: Hell of a story to tell when they go to school.

435
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: I know because I used to pick Marcella up from

436
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: school and all of that. I know growing up he

437
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: didn't have any relationship with a sign. But I heard

438
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: once he became adult, an adult, that they have a

439
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: relationship now, and once his other child, his other son,

440
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: that he didn't have a relationship passed away. Whose son is?

441
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: I always wondered how true those beating stories that Michelle

442
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: a Ques trailed because he's been married to this woman

443
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: for years and you haven't heard one negative things she said,

444
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: and how long they've been together. That's not the threat

445
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: X is it the one that he's married now? She

446
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: ain't never said anything negative about Drake? So is he

447
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: that type of person? Though? Oh, he gets drunk and

448
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: he was drinking. He had drinking problem back then as well.

449
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Didn't he beat up the girl on Pump it Up?

450
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: So he capable? I'm not saying, I'm just saying they

451
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: were exaggerated. I and say they didn't happen. I just

452
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: said they were exaggerate. I mean, every man is capable

453
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: of judging a woman. Women. The other year, she was

454
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: a spokeswoman for domestic violence at one time. She like

455
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: that's after that lifetime. I think you're just hearing her

456
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: tell the story with that voice is just sympathetic. Period.

457
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's just terrible voice. You're just gonna

458
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: feel bad for her, just the story. You want to

459
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: part of the crew that wouldn't had to go deal

460
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: with deal with a cane. We do. We came from

461
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota to society when she was working on him. Damn man,

462
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't wish I would go pack for

463
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: another woman. All Right, we're talking about that. Please know

464
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: that name. Let's not say she got a hell of

465
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: a story. Though she could say she sucked Easy, dre

466
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: and Ship, three of the biggest West Coast pioneers, and

467
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: I'd be proud of that. That's a hell of a book.

468
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: But you got women to did worship and still yeah,

469
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: well I saw everybody. I saw a hell of a

470
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: picture of O. J. Simpson's trial and the Kardashian mom

471
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: is three. There were three men in that courtroom that

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: she fucked. O J. Simpson Kardashian and Bruce General all

473
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: in that courtroom. I say this, let's see they'll get

474
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: down like that. Have you been, Marcus Allen, have you

475
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: ever been in the same room where there are three

476
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: people there that you had sex with? Yeah? Okay, and

477
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: you get a lot of that on the motorcycle set,

478
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: and on the motorcycle set is a cold You know

479
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If my girl here, you you don't

480
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: bother me. But if my girl ain't here, it is

481
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 1: what it is. This part of this is it's like, man,

482
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: ask you this whatever, but if my woman here, don't

483
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: come nowhere near me. So I didn't have a room

484
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: full of Oh yeah, I didn't need man, I can

485
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: yeah that I hate Yeah, Hey, more power to y'all.

486
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think I've ever been in

487
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: the room with Are you being right now? Are you

488
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable? Are you being you? I said I could

489
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: have been in the room with two women two, three, three, three.

490
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's thirty three percent. I have four

491
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: big moths, specifically, gets one out of three is thirty

492
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: three percent. That's a lot. Was talking about three Okay,

493
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: Now it was one out of nine one out of ten.

494
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: That's ten percent and nine in ten is all right.

495
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But but this UM this topic kind

496
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: of segues into UM the catalog catalog question that someone

497
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: wanted to know the Sugar Knight or Reggie Wright Jr.

498
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Make any money off of the death Row catalogs and

499
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: they were specific in two thousand nineteen, Uh death Row

500
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: catalog was lost in the bankruptcy E one? Uh which

501
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: used to be Caught? Right? Which used to be Caught

502
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: currently owns it? And what year did they take possession

503
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: of that or pay for that? It was lost in

504
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: the bankruptcy in two thousand nine. I believe it was

505
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: a company called Wide Awake that eventually purchased it in

506
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: the in the in the bankruptcy sale, and then UM

507
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: contraventually or E one eventually purchased it from Wide Awake.

508
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I am still employed by E one. I get a

509
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: consulting check once a month, and I owned some of

510
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: the publishings that were done on some of the albums

511
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: from about nine two uh two thousand two, I was

512
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: on one of them. No twopoc stuff since it's two thousand,

513
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: or do you have any old tuopoc stuff. Yeah, we

514
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: we we did somebody else and some purchases from some

515
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: of the artists that were appeared on the New Songs.

516
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: And I guess since we talked a lot about this

517
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: last week, from what you're saying, I'm a little confused.

518
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: How would Cas Big Cas be an owner of any

519
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: of the How could big Cas be an owner of

520
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: any of the of the previous death Row Records catalog

521
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: if he one slash Cotch acquired it in two thousand nine,

522
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: because because it's a liar, he's just a straight up liar.

523
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Unless he sold it to the one he's a liar.

524
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: He did, he's not even saying if you listen to

525
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: the new interview that he did with um now, I

526
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: forget the name some some dude nine interview yesterday interview,

527
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: uh somebody room, I forget the name of the guy.

528
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know. But he even admit he just

529
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: took it and he sold it to them so they

530
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: can have it. Is what he's changing. And he didn't

531
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: change up his story about three or four times, if

532
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: y'all really listened to all these different stories, but now

533
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: needs to saying he took it, he beat me up,

534
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: knocked me out and took it at the office. Anybody

535
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: that knows or followed any of the stuff. No, death

536
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Row didn't have an office in two thousand seven. Uh,

537
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: if you really know, I wasn't even really kind of

538
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: messing with Sugar, I think in two thousand and seven.

539
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even start back until the two thousand and

540
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: eight two thousand nine messing with chef. But um, we

541
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: didn't have an office, our studio. We didn't have any

542
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: artists in two thousand and seven because she was dealing

543
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: with the bankruptly for about two thousand five to two

544
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, and so his stories just don't add up.

545
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: But he's he's pushing this agenda for some reason and

546
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: more proper to the brother, I guess. So I guess

547
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: the answer to that question is, yes, you do make

548
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: some money off of of the old death Row catalogs. Well,

549
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I get a consulting fee. But the main thing is, yeah,

550
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: there's some money. He's under the company called Simon says,

551
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: the music publishing that that that I own, Big Simon

552
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: Simon says, the music publisher. So death Rows music kind

553
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: of spread out through different companies. Now it's not under

554
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: one umbrella. One company owns a dent of death row

555
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: records or it's all chopped up. No, it's one company,

556
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: which is the one um Interscope Um. They released everything

557
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: pretty much. Uh. I don't know if they still have

558
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: the greatest Hits album and stuff like that, but they

559
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: have like two or three albums still over there, but

560
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: mainly everything is done by a one entertainment. Let me

561
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: ask you, rich if if cash did have that, how

562
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: much could you sell it for? Well, if you you

563
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: you have some stolen I stolen Yeah, it's called no

564
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Jumper was the name of that the channel he was on.

565
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: But um uh, I mean, if you have some stolen property,

566
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: it's easier and it's easy to some some executives will

567
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: give you a hundred thousand dollars, but you're not making

568
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: any money off him. You know if he had a

569
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: bunch of reels and stuff like that, but he didn't.

570
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: He didn't have We didn't even have it in our possession.

571
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: We turned it all over the records that we had.

572
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: We found something I took from Das's wife and and

573
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: Dass about in two thousand to two thousand three. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,

574
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: he was president when they were taking I remember he

575
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: was at the office. It was that the g wagon

576
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: pulling up and some reals getting pulled out and put

577
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: on the dolly and put and ticket. Maybe they came

578
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: from track to the office. Yeah, well that's probably how

579
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I did. But but but I but we left that

580
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: in the possession of a guy named but who got

581
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: in trouble from it. Uh during the bank rough c Uh.

582
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: What's small was like our engineer Bull still good dude,

583
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: still in Detroit. He's still working, good dude. But he

584
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: got in trouble him and his wife. He was holding

585
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: some of the stuff we had and him and his

586
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: wife got a domestic violence issue or something, and she

587
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: called and snitched him out and said and they came in,

588
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: and the police came and took those, uh, the little

589
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: items that that was being hell. Now, the way cast

590
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: tells the story is that he eventually turned them over

591
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: to POC's mom, a Fanny Shakoor. That's what he said

592
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: in a previous she he said that in the previous interview,

593
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: But if you look at this new interview he did today,

594
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: he said he the interscope, which interscope can care less

595
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: because they had no more use for it. They even

596
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: gave the ones that he had from four, gave it

597
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: to the mama, said here, you can have it. They don't.

598
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: They didn't want to be in the park business anymore,

599
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: but interscope and he said, uh, he won cutty check.

600
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: That's just because he's just learning and here and stuff,

601
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: and he gave it to them. This is new story.

602
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the story you heard that I heard before.

603
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: It was totally different than the new story he's telling. Okay,

604
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: so does a Fanny shakor two parts late? Mother and

605
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: her state owned any of poks music. They owned everything

606
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: that hasn't been distributed currently. And there's a lot of

607
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: songs he never released, like over a I don't think

608
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: is that many fun and you did a song that

609
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: was under the Death Row label Spider Well. I appeared

610
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: on the what was it called the Functional Family soundtrack

611
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: Eddie Griffith uh stand up movie. She was responsible for

612
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: putting soundtrack together. Got a chance to work with Lisa

613
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: Left Eye Lopez request he said he owns that too.

614
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: He said he got all that too. Let me hold

615
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: something that's a bad brother, So that means he's got

616
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: your stuff that got lit. Yeah. I wrote for her

617
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: on there too. Yeah, so I did some writing on there.

618
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: I did perform me you know, my whole I go

619
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: with Snoop Dogg began on there sucking with Sugar. I

620
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: got kind of like I got pumped up one time. Now,

621
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: during um, the late nineties, you was making a big

622
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: name out here in l A. But you ended up

623
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: hooking up with the East Coast hip hop movement. Um,

624
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: did you ever think that I should have pushed with

625
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: Sugar and some of these West Coast companies rather than

626
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: going I had a two year stint with shild no

627
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: uh it had rainash Courts. You know, if you look

628
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: at Sugar and if you're looking at the East Coast

629
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: situation that I dealt with, neither of them were able

630
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: to do what they intended to do for me, for

631
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: anyone after me either. So I don't believe that they

632
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: had a coastal issue with um the lack of success

633
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: you saw those two runs half. I think both of

634
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: those individuals found themselves in positions where they weren't really

635
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: able to benefit artist period. And you know, unfortunately those

636
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: were the situations that I was in. But because I'm confused,

637
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: like you were an incredible poet, I appreciate and you

638
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: had or still still have mad skills when it comes

639
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: to thank you. This game we call rap. But for

640
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: whatever reason, you didn't get pushed out there, whether it

641
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: was when you was with death Row or with gun

642
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: It the way I thought you was gonna get pushed

643
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: out here. You know what happened. Um, we still get

644
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: as the best as yet to come. It's humbling and

645
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: stumbling through a game with all these skills and the

646
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: ones at the top are only mumbling, you know, But

647
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm just living. It's a variation of things. But like

648
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I say, if you look at the two CEOs that

649
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: I were direct I was directly dealing with, neither of

650
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: them have been able to have success as a CEO

651
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: post what they tried to do for me. So it

652
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of takes some of the responsibility off myself. And

653
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: I think timing, you know, and just situations. But neither

654
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: should nor Curtis has been able to be to put

655
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: an artists out and see some success posted their attempt

656
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: with me. So you can look at that there and

657
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: kind of assess it, and like you say, the value

658
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: that they saw in me it's still here. Now you

659
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: go in on fifty, really hard. You don't really go

660
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: in on shugar that hard. I don't. I don't really

661
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: consider myself going in on fifty hard. I just keep

662
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: it a Google, and the Google is like just factually based.

663
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: And if you can tell me something I said that

664
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: you considered me going in really hard, then I might

665
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I would agree. But I just feel like he's done

666
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: a lot of things that to be observed and perhaps

667
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: spoken upon unfavorably. I got one that you are going hard,

668
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: man fighter say they'll be on the road on doing shows,

669
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: and then they'd be having all the fine women on

670
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: the road and the one person that he picked up

671
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: rubbing down with the baby. All it was more than one.

672
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: But the gender, but the gender of the guy he was.

673
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: He was as a customer comfortable with having a man

674
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: all his muscles and his tattoos before he took stage.

675
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: It was just it. It was just something I observed.

676
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm not saying anything, I'm not is

677
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: that going hard by being honest about what I observed. No,

678
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: I've heard you say way more aggressive. That that sticks

679
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: out of my fresh memory because I mean, that's yeah,

680
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: that's that's not as bad as what you said. Mister

681
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: lay did about Yeah, I'm just saying what I saw.

682
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking you, but you said going hard. I

683
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: don't understand how that's going hard. I don't have a

684
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: problem such as how we didn't we didn't have it.

685
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: I've never called I said, say a woman, I prefer

686
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: James to run me down. Then this pretty young lady

687
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: that I've never called him a faggot. I am letting

688
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: you know. I was in his presence on numerous occasions,

689
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: and he had a practice where when he took states,

690
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: you would like to beat bare back, no clothes on.

691
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: He would like to highlight with the lights his tattoos,

692
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: like the muscles and ship in his back, and in

693
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: front of a lot of people all the time he

694
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: would get these motherfuckering tattoos oil and it was two

695
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: niggas used to rotate or hallem pretty shot. Well, bodybuilders

696
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: do that too when they compete. I want you to

697
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: also to realize, like just right now, if you was

698
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: finning takes a picture, you want it or it was

699
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: us for here, who would oil your back? Nigger. What

700
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is he used to have female dancers.

701
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: Olivia was there. Um, there was wardrobe females. There was

702
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: a multitude of females available to hook him up, but

703
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: for some reason he would just roll with the homies.

704
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: And then Vivica say something about him, said that from

705
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: her experience, she's not sure he's hetero sexual. And he

706
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: tried to explain what she might mean and said, because

707
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: he enjoyed her having oral sex in his anal, that

708
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: she considers him gay. That's what he said. I actually

709
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: remember you talking to about this on your channel, and

710
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: tell everybody what's your channel? Is something Spider most easty

711
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: backslash YouTube dot com and in the basement somewhere when

712
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: the black box, Yeah, he got you gotta tap into

713
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: the black Why the hell is Spider look at when

714
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: he does his chan black box? Man, it's like a

715
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: torch room or something down Man, it gets really in

716
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: the black box. We keep it facts with feeling, We

717
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: keep it a google You all welcome he speaking on that.

718
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: That's another CEO. That's something else that those two CEOs

719
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: have in common, like people playing with the ain't know, Wow,

720
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: never heard of that. She put it out there. Now

721
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about tauson salads now? Is that the topic

722
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: of the show right now? I thought, because actually, let

723
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: me let me clarify that. But it's from a female too.

724
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: To think about, is it's not something I'm exposed that

725
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm not exposed because it's like he heard of and

726
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I heard females say that as well. Okay, well, James

727
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: goes in on Sugar all the time. He got not

728
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: nice to say about. Now, Well, a couple of weeks ago,

729
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: you went in on him. Well, I went in because

730
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: a month ago I was gonna write this catal letter,

731
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, trying to you know, fix you know our problem.

732
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: I know it can't be fixed. You know the damage

733
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: is done. But he used to pain a little bit.

734
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: I got questions for Sugar that I need answers to,

735
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I reached out the

736
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: reds Let me get his hook up so I can

737
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: sit down and write in something, let him know what's

738
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: on my mind and why I feel the way I

739
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: feel a body. So I was gonna do that, and

740
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: then I hear he said, oh, shoot talking ship. Okay,

741
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: shoot talking ship while in jail. You know I'm not

742
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: doing I'm not doing. He can talk shit in there

743
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and and with everybody, Compton, whoever, everybody know when I

744
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: talked Ship, I talked Ship to Sugar in his face.

745
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: So I can sit right here and say, Nigga, you're

746
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: a bit. If I saw him to morrow in the neighborhood,

747
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: you're a bitch nigger and and that's it. And that's it,

748
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: like with the you know, the majority of the mother cats.

749
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I choose to just

750
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: close the door on that dude and and everybody else

751
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: that's you know, rocking that ship. You know, it's been

752
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: seventeen twenty years. I'm still winning for Nigga to say

753
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: a word to me, you feel me. And it's been

754
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: seventeen since my brother been going that that. I've been

755
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: sitting here waiting for it. Go On, go on, Jay,

756
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: let's sit down and talk. I ain't I ain't talk

757
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: to none of them. It's like I wasn't silent. I

758
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: ain't sunk with none of them. Catch since uh at

759
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of passed. UH did a little few things

760
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: with which should to keep ship right? And after that

761
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: I bounced. You know, it wasn't worth it for me. Reggie,

762
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: what do you think of the idea of him writing

763
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: a letter to sug Well, I was all foreign. I

764
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: could give him the address and everything, but then as

765
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: as you as as I just got word back from

766
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: things and people, was like the nigga doing that bit

767
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: ship again. Rench. So what what would you what would

768
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: that letter look like James? Well, it would just be

769
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: basically me, you know, getting at him on a whole

770
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: bunch of wives. You know what I'm saying. And you

771
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: really expect answers from him? Yeah? Yeah, And I think

772
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: he would have. He would have tried to call the people,

773
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: call a bunch of the homies to explain that. He

774
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: would have called James some of that. But you know,

775
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ship that I told sure that

776
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: he shouldn't do. And this is where we shouldn't be.

777
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna last long getting down like this farthest

778
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: business whatever. You didn't come in here as against it.

779
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: You don't want to leave his motherfucker like a gagster.

780
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: But he chose that road and it's just where you

781
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: wind up back. Uh. I would have loved to write

782
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: the letter to him and and and just just get that. No,

783
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not going right now, nigger

784
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: that field the way he feel. I mean, he can

785
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: kiss my aunts. Man. So I'm I'm cool on that,

786
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: and I pretty much don't even want to mention the

787
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: sugar night. No more Sugar is doing sugar, James doing James.

788
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that as that and not say anything

789
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: bad about Shug. I've seen his son on YouTube. He's

790
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: trying to revive death row. Well, but the things that

791
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: I say, the things I said about you, what about

792
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: these people listening like Seretha some things I said about

793
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: the sugar it affects Seretha. So I don't want to

794
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: keep talking about him and ben't hurting her. She just

795
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: that's his wife, that's I mean, she that's how well, Yeah,

796
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: he's you know what I mean. But at the time,

797
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: Sarita was like us, nothing but respect because of you've

798
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: married the ship and it went beyond that. I mean,

799
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: she was just like the home girl. She was just

800
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: that's si, you know what I'm saying. She never been

801
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: out of never got out of line, never said nothing disrespectful,

802
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: and none of the cats that I know of Andy

803
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: never said nothing disrespectful to her. So she was she

804
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: was good. But me talking like that, I mean, you know,

805
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: the kids might say, oh my daddy, like this or

806
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: why this dude keep calling my daddy a bitch and

807
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: my daddy don't do nothing. I mean, let me just

808
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: leave Shig alone. It's a waste of time. Now, Red,

809
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: you used to visit should when he was in prison

810
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: the last time. Do you plan on making any visits

811
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: to him this time? Why not? I don't have that

812
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: relationship with him anymore. I don't, you know, Like I said,

813
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't heard things, and I know a lot that's

814
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: going down that's been saying, and I don't appreciate it.

815
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: The one good thing that I like that he got

816
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: got you got his son. Uh shook a little shop,

817
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: Uh shook. Jacob Knight. He's not Ship Knight Junior. I

818
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: don't know why people keep saying that because your name

819
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: is marrying unite. But anyway, I like that he's saying that.

820
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: He stop saying that bullshit. That's tupacas a lot of stuff.

821
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: If y'all noticed, is his latest interview, he really, you know,

822
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: stop saying that bullshot. And spite of you had a

823
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: relationship with Shock for a minute. Uh, how do you

824
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: reflect on on that relationship? Man? You know, and it's

825
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: all sitting downe. I don't find any sense you didn't

826
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: have anything negative and said about my experience. I feel

827
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: like I probably appreciated more hungsight than I did when

828
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: I was actually going through it, being real apprehensive not

829
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: to succumb to none of the ship that you hear

830
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: about Shook pulling on people. So anything that wasn't great

831
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: to me was awful. But when I look back, I

832
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: could kind of see that Shugar was a little more straightforward,

833
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: and a lot of the people that are a lot

834
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: yeah in the business that are not as obviously who

835
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: apparently um not as aggressive as him. They had a

836
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: lot more cut though than should have. We heard the

837
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: last from should since he's got to do twenty eight years.

838
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: I heard some su will be back. But does it

839
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: matter though, my That's that's the whole thing about it.

840
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna walk away from the situation,

841
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: walk away from it. Why we're doing this podcast? Why

842
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: do we have to talk about ship? Its name come up,

843
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: his name come up. But I'm not gonna keep speaking

844
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: on Shook. I didn't say that all I had to say.

845
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: There's no more words I can choose to to destrive him,

846
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: to to make him look bad, to anything. So it's

847
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: waste of time for me. And I think when his

848
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: name come up, I'm just gonna flip the mic and

849
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: just sitting and go to sleep because I'm tired. I'm

850
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: tired of talking about They're gonna be bringing up death

851
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: Row questions and Sugar Night questions for years to come.

852
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, death Row Records was probably the run they

853
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: had was the largest, most successful record company probably in

854
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: American history. So how are we not going to talk

855
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: about that for the next ten out even outdo it

856
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: in the future is not to take away the fact

857
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: that it was the first of its kind, so that's

858
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: going to always be revisited. And I don't even know

859
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: if we really credit Sugar for the success of Death Row.

860
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: I think I think we kind of overcredit. That's what

861
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we overcredit for for the success because I'm

862
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of people behind the scenes. It's

863
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: more than part of this death Row machine. More so

864
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: than a lot. There were quite a few, a few,

865
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: a couple that were quite they experienced that of success,

866
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: and that's saying genre music postsha a couple of people,

867
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: but but but none of them owned their masters and

868
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: all of that until and started only their masters and

869
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: all that until he taught them about that. You know,

870
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: I look at t D and I know they learned

871
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: from death row, but they do know they don't they

872
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: don't their masters. I bet I don't know the specifics

873
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: of it. But TDE right now is on a really

874
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: nice run. So um, next question, James, you did security

875
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: for Snoop DOGG. Yeah. I did the his trials murder

876
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: trial and the way I got there and should call

877
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: me and man, I need you to get some of

878
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: the homies. That's with the business, uh Snoop people coming

879
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: up there threatening and Snoop don't want to come down

880
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: from the court room and whoop the whoop. So I said, okay,

881
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: many do you want me to get get about? Yea?

882
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: So he told me that I charged him for fifteen,

883
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: but I only have five. I got fair every every

884
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: every week for fifteen people, and I only had five,

885
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: and I chose to five that I knew. I was

886
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: ready to stand there with me if those cats came

887
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: up there to bother the Snoop. That was my job

888
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: to protect Snoop soho by any means if they came

889
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: up there on my watch. We had had a problems. Well,

890
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: the question is why why did Snoop have you doing

891
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: it with the pirous rather than the script friends. They

892
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: they was pushing up on it. They his homeboys was

893
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: pushing up on him at the time. And when they

894
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: were saying that his homeboys was talking about they want

895
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: this amount of money or they gonna go and then

896
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: fuck his trial up and ship like that, should say

897
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: go up there and make sure they don't get up there.

898
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: And what was happening is Big Sea Style was his

899
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: boy and I mean he kept he kind of controlled

900
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: stuff him and tradeing for the most part, and they

901
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: couldn't be around him like that because Big Sea Style

902
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: is Snoop. Bill almost got revoked where he end up

903
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: getting put on house ar us because they got into

904
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: a traffic a role rage as we know today incident

905
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: where uh and all through the female police officer said

906
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: that Big Sea Style pointed a gun at her and

907
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: um and you know, doing the role rage and they

908
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: was trying to revoke revoke his bill where they just

909
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: put him on house arrest and so he was pretty

910
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: much banded from hanging around guys like that is what

911
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: eventually happened while he was out on bail and and

912
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: so none of his two main guys was able to

913
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: do it. So now you've got all the other snakes

914
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: that was used to pushing up all snoop from his neighborhood.

915
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I was trying, you know, now I know where he at.

916
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, he end up at cann right now. So

917
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: I can't go up to the canal or whatever, but

918
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: I can come up to the courthouse and I need this.

919
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: You know, maybe getting pushed up, they get pushed up on,

920
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: even if it's a thousand dollars or whatever. But when

921
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: you're fighting for your life and all that, you don't

922
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: need that stress in your life. And so what James

923
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: was there for just to keep that stru saw all

924
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: of us like while he was up there fighting for

925
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: his life and trying to deal with the fight. So

926
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: what was the process? Did you go pick him up

927
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: or would you meet him in the north? I met

928
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: his his pops and whoever he had with him. When

929
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: they came. We was at the door. We walked to

930
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: the door, walking to the elevator. They went up. I

931
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: never went to the floor where he doing his trial.

932
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: That was their business. When he came down, I was

933
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: at the elevator we walked out the door to the lot.

934
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: He got in his car, then him we went and

935
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: did us. That was only that was my job. What

936
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: were the lunch breaks? Like? It was every time they

937
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: took a break, we said in the in the cafeteria,

938
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: he probably went with his pops and did whatever. He's

939
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: sitting there A couple of times came in and kicked it.

940
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: But Snoop was cool. I'm just I'm not there. Damn,

941
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: I gotta clean to this cat. Snoop was over there

942
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: where I could see him. And when he walked and

943
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: my boys had him, I'm walking on the side when

944
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: they're doing them pictures. I didn't want to be a

945
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: part of the pictures I've seen in the picture, so

946
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: I walked side to the side of him. As long

947
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: as they did their jobed they was good. So you

948
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: must be in some of the footage of him. And

949
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: if I am, they're lucky they come me. Yeah around.

950
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: So how was you able to get away with bringing

951
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: five cats but charging for fifteen. Well, when any time

952
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: Shill came up there, I got wound. Wound him over here,

953
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: then right here it happened, and and and I always

954
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: had a plan. If they do come and we get

955
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: this altercation. If we have altercation in the parking lot,

956
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: you gotta go this way that way. So I told Shell, Yeah,

957
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: I got uh Sam them right here on the corner

958
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: over there, just kicking it in the car. And then

959
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: I got them over here. I got five over year.

960
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: So if they if they try to leave, even come

961
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: up here. Everybody doing the job. We got him. And

962
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: ship wasn't coming to court every day every time the weeks. Yeah,

963
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: and did you get to meet Johnny Cochrane, He wasn't

964
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: on the case. Then he went on. He got shogned,

965
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: dog off. I thought, Johnny Cochrane defended this is a

966
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: different this is not this is just murder case. But

967
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: it was four of them, four attorneys on their case.

968
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: Two of the defendants got this dismissed prior to it

969
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: going to trial. And and and when I said, I

970
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: didn't deal with none of them, I didn't deal with money,

971
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: none of that. Malik, the co defendant Milick was the

972
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: actual shooter. Yeah, he put that by yourself, hustling the snoop?

973
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: Did he When he walked into the court room, he

974
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: was cool, kind of collective. He already knew he was

975
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: going home. Malick used to play football. He was good.

976
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: It was good. But karate as well, that was just Yeah. Yeah,

977
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: I guess Malik did his job as a security right,

978
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: but end up getting charged with a murder. Well they hunted, yeah, yeah,

979
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: they Their problem was they went back. Yeah, that's all.

980
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: That's all I want to say on that. Hey, you

981
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: still did we get into it and then okay, if

982
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: I deal something with you right now, then I may justify.

983
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: But if I leave and then come back, you know,

984
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: has a different way of allowing self defense. But if

985
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: you and I get into a fight and you pull

986
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: a gun on on me and threatened to shoot me,

987
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: and then you leave get a gun, and then I

988
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: go get a gun and I see you a block

989
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: away and I kill you, is that self defense? Reggie

990
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: the first? But okay, the lawyers, when you pull that

991
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: gun out for me and I left, I was supposed

992
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: to go and do what calling the motherfucking police, that's

993
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: what the law is. That's but that's not they ain't

994
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: the law. But that's for a reasonable person, and that's

995
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: what you' supposed to do. Especially after you go and

996
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: you go get a guy and come back and shoot them,

997
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: then it is like, why you put yourself in that situation?

998
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Why didn't you just leave white people. I'll give you

999
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: one reason why, Because I don't know if you're coming back.

1000
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: I could go on myself. I came back to the

1001
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: park and hunting me down with that guy because we

1002
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: didn't know if he was coming back. We didn't know

1003
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: if that guy was gonna come back and say come back.

1004
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: I didn't say it happened where I was standing at.

1005
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: I went to the park and hunt you. Now you're

1006
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: using the word hunt like they drove to the park.

1007
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: They were living in some apartments down here and they

1008
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: went to the park. Well, the guy that was killed

1009
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: was an aggressor at some moment, at some previous moment.

1010
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: Right now you put you were cause right now you're

1011
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: going on me and I go to my car, get

1012
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: im going to come back and do something to you. Yeah,

1013
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: I got that self defense for me. Look I would

1014
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: say yeah, because you don't know what I'm gonna do

1015
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: to you. Five minutes, I need to get my ass

1016
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: in the car. They're are going to get in the

1017
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: gun and get my car and leave. The police are

1018
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: allowed to gun people down because they thinked something's a threat.

1019
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: Immediately not go and then go to the station and

1020
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: or go away to my backup for the police. If

1021
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: the police. Yeah, the police, Yeah, I'll see them getting

1022
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: indicted and getting the rested. The only one in the

1023
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: world they've seen it. One just got indicted, got I'm convicted. Recently,

1024
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: they always said, I'm not saying they're getting I'm not

1025
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: saying they're getting convicted. Yeah, whatever, whatever they're going. I'm

1026
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: not saying that they think. But they are getting arrested

1027
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: more than what they're not enough, not nearly enough to

1028
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: even report them going through arrest. You know people last

1029
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: question they hate right now. That was very tricky and

1030
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: in the state of California. I've sat in on a

1031
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: lot of trials and I've beat a chelf defense case.

1032
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: I murdered in California. Yeah, yeah, come cold, me and

1033
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: my little brother who's police and oil shares. No, I

1034
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't get the police. No, But I mean who was

1035
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: the resting agency coming police back in the day day

1036
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: that was man, Yeah, yeah, I know you want to

1037
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: be nine four No, I think it was not. Yeah,

1038
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: ninety just as many brothers in Compton in l A.

1039
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: I had a cat following a little was the neighborhood

1040
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: trying to trying to robbed me from my car at

1041
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: a Cadillac. So this older guy had these three younger

1042
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: guys in the vand with him trying to and making

1043
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: them get out, holding you up, taking the card and bouncing.

1044
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: So this is one of the reasons why we we

1045
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: actually beat the case because when they met us in

1046
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: front of the house, the guy got out and the

1047
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: first thing he did was popped. So when he shot,

1048
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: we let him have it, and then he drives them

1049
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: straight to the hospital. But not knowing we got police

1050
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: running around here already around the corners. Woo whatever, and um,

1051
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: we go to jail. We're sitting in jail. It's like, God, damn,

1052
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: we gotta motherfucking murder. Two attempted murders, three attempted murders.

1053
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: The driver and the three guys. One guy is dead,

1054
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: he's fifteen, the other guy is sixteen, the one the

1055
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: other one is seventeen. The guy that is driving the

1056
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: car is thirty five something like that. What happened was

1057
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: they gave him the murder. M hm. They gave him

1058
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: the murder for that's the same reason that the roles

1059
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: in jail now I think that guy should have never Michael. Yeah,

1060
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: he's he's the only survivor of the four. It was

1061
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: the stones, the two guys versed the two guys Anderson,

1062
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: but you know they overturned no cases. Now they got

1063
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: something with the Stony murder rule where they letting people out.

1064
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: There's some new uh law they called the nineteen rule. Nineteen. Yeah, Michael,

1065
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: he should get out. He should have never been charged

1066
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: with the murder. Then the gun he used wasn't even his.

1067
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: He grabbed the other guy's gonna save his life and

1068
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: gets hit with a murders. Go to our last question,

1069
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: three murders? Did they talking with three? But the reason

1070
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: is why? Because yeah, but that's my boy, Michael Roger

1071
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: last question of the day. I think Reggie, you might

1072
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: know a lot about this, but what really happened to

1073
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: Frank Alexander? Now, Frank Alexander was, Yeah, he was worked

1074
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: for me right away to protect the services, and he

1075
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: was one of the security. He wasn't the main one.

1076
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: He builds himself up to he's the most vocal one.

1077
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: He's the most vocal one after two bucks down. But

1078
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: Kevin Hackie was his main one. But anyway, this is

1079
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: a guy that uh obviously was fighting mental illness, and um,

1080
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot on nobody with this mental

1081
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: illness because I understand it's the disease. So you didn't

1082
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: screen the people that was working for right, Well this

1083
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: was later, this was four years later, but he was

1084
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: working for Orange County Sheriff's Department. So he used to

1085
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: be a cop, he used. Uh, well that's what we thought,

1086
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: but we found out he just worked in the jail.

1087
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: I screened him, but I guess I didn't do a

1088
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: good enough job. But I said it would hard him

1089
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: because he had a gun permitted and he had a

1090
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: badge and idea and all of that, and he looked good.

1091
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: He was you know, he did his job. He was,

1092
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: like I said, he was a good one. He pulled

1093
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: out you know, snooping him when he when the shooting

1094
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: happened at the trill. They loved him after that. He

1095
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: because you know, the niggles all in there high and

1096
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: loaded and funked up, and he wanted came and ran

1097
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: in there and you know he's experne as well and

1098
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: pulled them out of the trailer and you know made

1099
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: him feel safe. Um. But anyway, um, but what really happened,

1100
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: and the question is is, ah, how did he die?

1101
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: Is what they really want to want to know. And

1102
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: this is a guy that was being vocal and saying

1103
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: this and saying that because he was trying to make

1104
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: money off of DVDs and and stuff like that got

1105
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: caught off with the fame and all of that. But

1106
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: it's quite quite easily explained what happened. He put a

1107
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: gun in his mouth, pull the trigger and blew his

1108
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: brains out in front of his wife. What why someone

1109
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: would be saying, I'd say the depression, that you gotta

1110
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: be depressed, or um, you gotta have some type of

1111
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: mental illness in my opinion to do you ever see

1112
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: signs that he was not balanced? Yeah, when he started

1113
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: lying on all he got them DVDs while he was working.

1114
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, he until he got what people

1115
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: started doing DVDs and books after after the fact. Um,

1116
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: he was a straight up dude. I thought he was

1117
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: straight up. And when it was his last, when did

1118
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: he leave death row? He left death row immediately at

1119
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: the park die because he was the one that left

1120
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: his gun in the car and then have his gun

1121
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: with him and so I immediately had to get rid

1122
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: of him after that, but didn he say that he

1123
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: told him don't bring any remember him saying that we

1124
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: were told by Right Way security, and that's what they

1125
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: were saying. But that was the people that was working

1126
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: inside the club, not the bodyguards. The people there was

1127
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: two details. It was bodyguards detail. And then there was

1128
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: a guy that was working inside at the nightclub. And

1129
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: I told them, well, you didn't work. You didn't work

1130
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: for me, didn't Yeah. I had told no, don't bring

1131
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: no gun exactly exactly. And he even said in his

1132
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: book he said the reason why he didn't have his

1133
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: gun is in black and white in his book, is

1134
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: because at the last minute, Tupac I asked him to

1135
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: dry the outlaws in the car and his car was

1136
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: parked um and in self parking, and he didn't want

1137
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: to hold up the entourage until Parky needs to go

1138
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: back to his car to get his gun. He writes

1139
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: that in black and white in his book. And now,

1140
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: how many security was in that entourage that night? If

1141
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: that worked for you, that worked for me. It was

1142
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: supposed to been too, but it was only one. Kevin

1143
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: Hacky Uh I didn't show up and I wasn't notified

1144
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: that he wasn't there as far as the company was

1145
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: that you be responsible. I'm just gonna ask that how

1146
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: could it? How could have stopped? What could have stopped

1147
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: the shot for the guy that you had to let go?

1148
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: Should have been or could have been more competent? Did

1149
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: The only thing he could have done has been a

1150
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: better eye witness. If I was the only thing I

1151
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: could have did? What got a license plate script of

1152
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: the car? You know, he could not have gotten an

1153
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: eye on an outcoming watch out, step on the gas

1154
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: and got off if he was been if he had

1155
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: to get off because he was driving, it was he

1156
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: was on officciety was standing with TUPI when Tupac when

1157
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: and got a Orlando. Yeah, he was the one that

1158
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: got them. If you see anything about to happen that

1159
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: he should should He never called me about the company

1160
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: getting paid to do. What were you to ensure that night? Really?

1161
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Uh not? Not not same thing, because no company ain't

1162
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna say I can make sure you go home alive.

1163
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody go anybody tell you that it's some bullshit?

1164
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: Y'all believe that about your security? Y'all need to do

1165
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: you think that Yeah, but you're not even pledging the

1166
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: return fire all of that. I said he should have

1167
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: been able to do that. I said he would for

1168
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: not bringing this guys the company. You cannot put that

1169
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: on an employee, I posted the man that never go

1170
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: with that. You know, you knowed to know that you cannot.

1171
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: That would not work in the arbitration whatever that know.

1172
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: I think that the way the Cadillac just pulled up

1173
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: on the side along the entourage with no one questioning

1174
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: what's this car doing? Who's in that car? Oh, these

1175
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: dudes aren't with witness security. He eating my question. But

1176
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: if you ain't got his heat questions, you gotta have

1177
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: a heat with you. Security. That's what you'll think about.

1178
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: Security is supposed to be there because as soon as

1179
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: the window. The only reason I'm mention this because you

1180
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: guys already talking about not having his gun. So that

1181
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: don't can I do when you hear some gunshot if

1182
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: you have four security, Oh we had all that up. Yeah,

1183
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: if that wouldn't happen, But that's not how. You don't

1184
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: know which bullet from You don't know if the first bullet,

1185
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: the second bullet, the third bullet, the fourth, fifth, the sixth.

1186
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: We don't know that, but it wasn't. It wasn't just

1187
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: right way guys there, we had ten here the idea,

1188
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean because it's because it's stupidity in my mind,

1189
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen presidents and everything gets shot up

1190
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: in a car. He ain't saying no, no, I'm not

1191
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: even tripping on that. I'm just trying to say, but

1192
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: I had there was ten. When the president dies on

1193
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: their watch, you all take respond say, but what can

1194
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: you do? What can you do? But we had we

1195
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: had ten of fifteen other homeboys that was armed and

1196
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: in the entourage as well. And what did the first

1197
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: thing they did? The neighborhood dropped the ball, They dug

1198
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: the security. They are done and they chased them down.

1199
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: Here you is, you got a tupac in the car.

1200
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: I just had a fight, which you shouldn't have never

1201
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: fought in the front first place, because he didn't even

1202
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: know that the cat that took off on Trey Bonds

1203
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: he from Compton. You ain't never hung in Compton. So

1204
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: how do you know what you're doing? You don't, but

1205
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: somebody was in his ear. They should have took him. Yeah,

1206
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: because he takes off like Okay, go ahead, because because

1207
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: the way you make it seem like they could have

1208
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: grabbed him and stuff like that Poc took off. No,

1209
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't say that they shouldn't grabbed him, but he

1210
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: was of em. But I'll go ahead. I'm gonna hear

1211
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: what even even if Tupac did do what he do

1212
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: with Intlando, in this situation happened, Tupac shouldn't win the

1213
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: other way. They should have took Tupac that way and

1214
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: should that way, and the entourage should have kept or

1215
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: after Oh they did, they got, but they got. They

1216
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: did what the children night and and Tupac riding in

1217
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: the garden in front of the damn entourage in front

1218
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 1: of the pack. Now, out of twenty cars, we allowed

1219
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: as one car to come up on the side on

1220
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: the fighting night in Vegas. Need money back, quarterback, boy,

1221
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: Now they know just right is down here? You know

1222
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: how I told him to The south side was down there.

1223
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: Now you know how do they come down here and

1224
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: then get on the side and then bounce? I don't

1225
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: think nobody expects know he would say it's easy to

1226
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: money money morning, quarterback. I was disagreeing it is, but

1227
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: it seems to irritate him to the point even if

1228
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: the twenty years. So even though he initial question, where

1229
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: do you feel like you bear some responsibility, he was

1230
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: adamant with a note, I think it's obvious, there's no

1231
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: I think that there should have been at least three

1232
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: armed security in that normally, but it was there was

1233
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: one author. Yeah, that weren't from you, but you gotta

1234
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: remember number one. They just came from a prize fight

1235
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: that had fift tickets and all of that. They had

1236
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: the people who went to the fight that they wanted

1237
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: that to fight with him. That was the homies. When

1238
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: none of my security offer to go but free to

1239
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: the thing. I could have went if I want to,

1240
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: but we had other priorities going on, which was the club.

1241
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: People will say, well, well, because you didn't expect that

1242
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: to happen. It wasn't that I I would have expected

1243
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: the fifteen dudes. That was what the over me. And

1244
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: so it was like he said, the fight night, all

1245
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: the excitement, you know, that beef happened right there. The

1246
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: fact that they're not in confident or Hollywood expect to

1247
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: exactly how much time passed, how much time it lapsed

1248
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: from pocketing Orlando to getting shot on and they went

1249
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: to look at you. Not expected, not expected that quick exactly?

1250
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah, I'm kind of like in Vegas on

1251
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: the strip and all that. Wait a minute, hold up,

1252
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: hold up, and I'm gonna speak for the thug nigger

1253
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: because of the thug motherfucker got that mentality. I let

1254
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 1: the rapper beat me up. I'm on the strip looking

1255
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: for but wait a minute, give me a second. Now,

1256
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: he didn't expect to run into the entourage, but going

1257
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: up that Las Vegas hit these fools is right in

1258
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: right that you feel me. He just said that. In

1259
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: this book, he claims he wasn't come there to do

1260
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: no shooting and think he was coming to talk. But

1261
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's saying. I think I think

1262
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: at the t yeah, I think at the time of

1263
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: the shooting, that's what he saying. I think that he

1264
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: didn't get his ass with Mando, did man, But he

1265
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: controlled a little the young Netfield control. I don't think

1266
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: he had no control, but he something. Will you take

1267
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Speaker 1: that kind of ass the man? I know they need

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Speaker 1: to be. He's bad. There's no wait. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: call him bad. I said. I'm saying I said he was. No,

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Speaker 1: you used the word of control. When you take that

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Speaker 1: type of a beating. There is no control in that

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Speaker 1: type of nicked. You wouldn' got that would have got

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Speaker 1: in the car with. So you don't think he I

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: don't think so either though, to be honest, But you

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Speaker 1: don't think they were coming up there? He say they

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01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: were coming up there to talk and try to howlt

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Speaker 1: him and say hey, why did y'all just do this

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: to my nephew and all that. You think, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but you think they came to the club.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do something at the club six six, Now,

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: I would would have been more expected didn't get caught

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Speaker 1: in traffic two hours later, Rando, how many homies was

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01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: that the six six to that night? Oh it's probably

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Speaker 1: about forty probably, But but but just thinking if they

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Speaker 1: ain't that, they wouldn't have came up because he ain't stupid.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna come to six six, said his book

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Speaker 1: what he said. I didn't say that. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that either, because just okay, I'm gonna walk in here

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Speaker 1: with all these blood. Yeah, yeah, I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: You ain't gonna get out of there. I no shooting.

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Speaker 1: It's for y'all, three of them. Juan already in the car, scared.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do nothing of corneil Oka ready

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Speaker 1: to go. Now, why I didn't, I got what the

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Speaker 1: money background, They wouldn't with the business like that. Well,

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Speaker 1: he said Big Dre wasn't. And he said Corey, He said,

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Speaker 1: Corey pictures out. What do you say from from what

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Speaker 1: I hear showed, it's just you and your nephew, y'all

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Speaker 1: ain't walking up in six six too, and and gonna

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Speaker 1: go confront ship. They said they had big Meat with

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Speaker 1: him there and they came up there to put us

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Speaker 1: some work. And I'll just say, what you know, you

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: from Detroit. I know how it would have been there.

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Speaker 1: I laugh every time I hear say he was coming. No,

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Speaker 1: he don't say he was. He said he was parked

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: in the parking lot Club six to for two hours.

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Speaker 1: Is what? In a van? He said it was in

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01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: a van, but he said they were. He said big

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Speaker 1: Meat from Detroit, and all of that was. We could

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Speaker 1: talk about this for four hours. I had one more

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Speaker 1: fact checked out big Meat from last week. I had

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Speaker 1: um I had asked I wonder if anyone had ever

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Speaker 1: got off of California's death row before. I looked it up,

1313
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: and there are five people that have been on California's

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Speaker 1: death row that have been that are now free. The

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: last one was released in two thousand and eighteen after

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: being charged with the murder in Ny. He was latinos

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Speaker 1: He did twenty five years in there. And the other

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Speaker 1: four let me just say their names real quickly. Patrick

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Speaker 1: Croy was released in in two thousand and five for

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine murdered. He did twenty six years. He's

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01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: an out free. Oscar Lee Morris did seventeen years on

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: on death row. He is now free. None of them related.

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01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: Troy Lee Jones did fourteen years on death row, and

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Speaker 1: the last person is Ernest Graham for nineteen seventy six murder.

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Speaker 1: He was exonerated. So there are five people that used

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: to be sitting on California's death row that are now free. Uh, Spider, look,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you very much for coming down. Man.

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: I think we could say he has an open invitation

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Speaker 1: whenever he's got something on his mind. And check out

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Speaker 1: his YouTube channel. In that Black Dungeon torture, the black

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: box man bottom line product. He keeps it a Google

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Speaker 1: every time, and I really, I really mean that he

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Speaker 1: does keep it a Google. He's one of the smartest

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: brothers from the streets that I know. And I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everybody to listening to another episode of The

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Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles. Good night, good morning, and good afternoon where

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Speaker 1: ever you're listening from. Out of this has been a

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Speaker 1: digital show. Much network rooducks here.