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Speaker 3: And since we're back in this chair and it's been

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Speaker 3: a little while, it's appropriate we talk about somebody who

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Speaker 3: is also back. Jason Tatum, less than ten months after

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Speaker 3: suffering the achilles tear in the playoff game against the

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Speaker 3: New York Knicks, will be in the lineup for the

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Speaker 3: Boston Celtics coming up later on tonight against the Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 3: I know, Lvar, you've dealt with the achilles issue before.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprised that he's back this soon. But

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Speaker 3: here we go with the return of Jason Tatum to

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Speaker 3: an already really good Boston Celtics team who probably didn't

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Speaker 4: In this spot at this point in the year.

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Speaker 5: A really good Jalen Brown led Boston Celtics team, we

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Speaker 5: should add and listen, I look at it like this.

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Speaker 5: Professional even just any type of competition, right college, pro,

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Speaker 5: even high school. When you've established yourself as the guy.

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Speaker 5: You're the franchise. Things are handled a certain type of way,

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Speaker 5: you do things a certain type of way, You're treated

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Speaker 5: a certain type of way. The respect factor is very different.

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Speaker 5: When you get injured, there's a moment of truth. Right,

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Speaker 5: it either solidifies further solidifies your efforts that you've put

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Speaker 4: And when that that.

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Speaker 5: That participation is gone due to an injury, it either

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Speaker 5: shows yep, Jason Tatum is the reason why we are

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Speaker 5: able to win. We got a championship, world title. We

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Speaker 5: we're set for.

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Speaker 4: The future.

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Speaker 5: Right, you got a sidekick in Jalen Brown, But Jason

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Speaker 5: Tatum is the guy. Jason Tatum goes down. But yet

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Speaker 5: this team is second in the Eastern Conference. They're seventy

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Speaker 5: NBA playoffs. It has emerged that Jalen Brown could be

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Speaker 5: in the conversation of being the new face and franchise

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Speaker 5: the value of you being the franchise guy all but

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Speaker 3: It's a really interesting call by Boston, by Tatum, because

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Speaker 3: if they weren't this good, I wonder if this is

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Speaker 5: By the way, he went back to the Blazer right,

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Speaker 5: considering that he tore it somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the two highlights for the Blazers this year,

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Speaker 3: three point contest and your coach involved in some poker scheme. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so like you got card counters and three point shootout

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Speaker 3: winners you don't have a good team, all right, maybe

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Speaker 3: legitimate excuse this year we're terrible. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: hey man, it's a throwaway year. And it's not even

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Speaker 3: just the Jason Tatum stuff. Al Horford gone, Drew Holliday

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Speaker 3: But they were trying to get below the second apron.

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Speaker 3: So they just said, hey man, these are salary cap casualties,

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Speaker 3: is what it is. This isn't our year, Our best

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Speaker 3: play in tournament whatever, but we're just gonna roll this season.

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Speaker 3: Then we really going to focus on twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, they're this through sixty

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Speaker 5: It's again, the points you make are accurate points, right.

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Speaker 5: The teams that you're discussing, they aren't competitive teams. You

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Speaker 5: look at this Celtics team and where they were at

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Speaker 5: and the conversations that were we're ensuing that we're taking

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Speaker 5: place in real time. It was always Jason Tatum and

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Speaker 5: Jaylen Brown and being in second place. Jason Tatum is

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Speaker 5: not available all season long, and Jalen Brown is averaging

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Speaker 5: what is it, twenty nine points seven rebounds per game,

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Speaker 5: second second place. If you're looking at where things go

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Speaker 5: from here on out, does it go back to Jason

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Speaker 5: Tatum and Jalen Brown or does it stay Jalen Brown

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Speaker 5: and Jason Tatum and insert Jason Tatum that I think

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Speaker 5: being some really really big names like Sga is in

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Speaker 4: You're seeing what if.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if y'all watched Winby last night, but

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Speaker 5: Wemby is balling.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: I saw him hanging outside of a car dealership. There's

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Speaker 5: As long as this desk, his foot is, as long

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Speaker 3: Him and chet Holmren should just go as win puppets

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Speaker 3: for Halloween the next seventy years. Just do that costume

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Speaker 3: covered cheap, inexpensive, throw some drapes on and let it.

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Speaker 4: Let's call it a day.

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Speaker 5: Wemby takes two steps his foot. The tip of his

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Speaker 5: toe from getting a rebound is at mid court. In

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Speaker 5: two steps. Oh yeah, the tip of his toe is

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Speaker 5: at mid court and two steps.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't have one.

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Speaker 5: They're talking about Michael Jordan and Doctor j doing dunks

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Speaker 5: his reach. He could probably move it back to I

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Speaker 5: don't know, Mick. Of course, we're gonna start seeing Winby

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Speaker 5: takeoff and he's gonna do the dunk contest. He's gonna

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Speaker 5: never seen before. His ass hit long brouh and, and

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Speaker 5: his footstill gonna be on the ground at midcourt when.

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Speaker 4: He takes off, and he's just a super stretch.

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Speaker 5: Outside of these high profile guys being up for the MVP,

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Speaker 5: Jalen Brown's name is in the conversation for league MVP

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Speaker 5: this year, some of them as high as two. DeMarcus

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Speaker 5: Cousins has gone on record says he's as high as

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Speaker 5: the second best player in the NBA, all the way

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Speaker 5: up to six to eight, where his name falls in

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Speaker 5: terms of best Player MVP.

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Speaker 4: But if we're being real, if we're.

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Speaker 5: Being real, does Jalen Brown have the same supporting cast

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Speaker 5: that SGA does?

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Speaker 4: Does he have the.

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Speaker 5: Same supporting cast as what wim Bin Yama has. I

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Speaker 5: would say, No, you just mentioned some Orford's gone, Jason

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Speaker 5: Tatum hasn't been around. There's a different group of people.

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Speaker 5: It's a new group of people this season for the Celtics,

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Speaker 5: and yet they're playing at a high level, which would

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Speaker 5: lead to the conversation of is he the most valuable

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Speaker 5: you can use the criteria that they have a really

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Speaker 4: To win for them to consider you an MVP.

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Speaker 5: And now you see Jason Tatum sitting back watching like,

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Speaker 5: I can't let the ship get too far.

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Speaker 4: He's swimming, bro.

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Speaker 3: It's not boarding the ship.

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Speaker 5: That ship has sailed. But can he catch it and

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Speaker 5: ken he board the ship and and re establish himself

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Speaker 5: for what it was that he once was before the injury.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I wonder is does he feel like

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Speaker 3: like if they were, you know, a five hundred team.

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Speaker 4: Is he in any rush to get back?

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Speaker 7: Nah?

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Speaker 3: Nah, take your time, Take your time, Take your time.

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Speaker 3: And I can understand the approach of well, if you're

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Speaker 3: the issue? But I wonder how much of this is him?

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Speaker 3: How much of this is Tatum going, Man, I want

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Speaker 3: back in like I want And that's why I asked,

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Speaker 3: because you went through the Achilles what a retired like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Like, what does that look like? That thing had a

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Speaker 5: grown man in tears bruh. And I got a pretty

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Speaker 5: high paying threshold and I limped. I limped for like

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Speaker 5: was a very painful. I've been through some painful things both, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this one in particular was based off of me limping

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Speaker 5: because my achilles tendont was really tight, it was really sore,

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Speaker 5: and it just felt like if you if you don't

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Speaker 5: likened it to like air and attire. I didn't realize

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Speaker 5: That's how well he was doing that season. You couldn't

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Speaker 5: And I say Jalen Brown is a number one guy

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Speaker 5: I'm the captain. Now, I'm the captain.

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Speaker 4: If need be.

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Speaker 3: But then this conversation turned to, you know, what would

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Speaker 3: has done uh jiu jitsu for many, many, many years.

438
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 3: So what this comes down to is it's it's a

439
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 3: new form of shock jock, you know, impact. Right, These influencers,

440
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: the Paul brothers, have done one of the most exceptional,

441
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: brilliant jobs of playing the best villain roles in an

442
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: influencer potentially history within the sports arena, and they are

443
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: able to create these larger than life moments for boxing matches,

444
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 3: and it works it works.

445
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: This is not This is not real.

446
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: This is not real in terms of the idea, the

447
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 5: impact of going physically up and up with people. This

448
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 5: is promoting. This is entertainment, and they do an excellent

449
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 5: job of doing so. Now Le'Veon Bell, who's been in

450
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 5: the news, will for something that's not great. Le'Veon Bell

451
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 5: posted on social media, stop ducking Logan Paul been trying

452
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 5: to bro trying to fight an NFL player that never

453
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 5: fought before. Let's set it up. We all heard you

454
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 5: say you can be any NFL player. We can fight

455
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 5: in April. The NFL Draft is in Pittsburgh. We can

456
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 5: fight NFL Draft weekend. Let's make it happen, to which

457
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: Logan Paul responded, A, you're not in the NFL B

458
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: you can actually fight. So I'd have to probably properly trained,

459
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 5: meaning I'd have to step away from WWE, which I

460
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 5: won't do, especially not for you. See, there's no money

461
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 5: here because you're not a draw. Prove me otherwise, And

462
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 5: he said, of course you want the opportunity. I'm a

463
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 5: gold mine for retirees like you say so.

464
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: But he's right.

465
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 10: Unfortunately for Bell, it's true fair that all that's fair

466
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 10: all that people would go in Pittsburgh for a draft

467
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 10: if Le'Veon Bell was fighting Logan Paul, So he's wrong

468
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 10: about that.

469
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: He will be a drawing now.

470
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: Earlier today, Logan Paul posted on x he said my

471
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 3: one million dollar open bet to fight NFL players has

472
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: caused an uproar.

473
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: Here's the update.

474
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: Nobody is willing to put a million dollars in scrow

475
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: and be flown here to Puerto Rico, all expenses paid

476
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: in box with three professional judges. They all want to

477
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: formalize this with a streamer, venue, press conferences, et cetera.

478
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: Ie get paid to fight, but not risk their own money.

479
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: But I don't have time nor interest in that. I

480
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: won't step away from WWE to coordinate and train for

481
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: an event. But if any player wants to actually put

482
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: up a million dollars in fight at my gym with

483
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: official referees and judges, show yourselves. That includes you Le'Veon Bell. Also,

484
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: if they want no cameras, I'm down.

485
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: So look like he's just looking for a fight. You know,

486
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 4: he just wants to be not fight.

487
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: He's not.

488
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 5: He's looking for what he's getting and it's brilliant. You're

489
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 5: getting national attention for doing it. Saw Merriman just proposed

490
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: having boxing matches, fighting matches, MMA matches on NFL network.

491
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 5: He just proposed this not too long ago. I'd be

492
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: shocked if Logan Paul didn't catch on, And because those

493
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: guys all run the same circles, I would be shocked

494
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 5: if if Logan Paul didn't hear Sean talking about it

495
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 5: and beat them to the punch. In terms of getting

496
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 5: national exposure for calling out football players, I think it

497
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 5: would be interesting if there became a fight league where

498
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 5: former players could actually fight and fight on NFL NFL platforms.

499
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 5: I think it would be a great idea. Some of

500
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: these guys still want to compete. How do you compete.

501
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 5: You're not going to compete in the game, You're not

502
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: going to continue to be an active player. But guys

503
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: still stay in shape, do a lot with their bodies, train, coach,

504
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: do a lot of different things. Why not create an

505
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: outlet for them to be able to still compete and

506
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: it be monetized. I think it would be a great idea.

507
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 5: So I don't think this is about Logan Paul trying

508
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: to really thump. Like I said, if a guy like

509
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: Panea Suel put up a million bucks in ascro which,

510
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 5: by the way, a million bucks is a lot of money.

511
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 5: It's a million bucks. But I'm putting up a million

512
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 5: bucks to come fight you, like, like I would want

513
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 5: to make it a bigger deal, Like I'm If you

514
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: want to just thump, let's thump. We don't have to

515
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 5: put it out on social media. Have your people reach

516
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: out to the people you wanna, you want to fight,

517
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: and y'all do. Y'all do a fight and see what

518
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: happens of it. This is pure promotion.

519
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: It's promotion. So to me, you.

520
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: Gotta take it that face value, see it as what

521
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: it is. It is entertainment. Logan Paul, the Paul brothers

522
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: are entertainers and they're damn good at it. And and

523
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 5: the added.

524
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: Bonus are they actually are some tough mother lovers, great athletes.

525
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: They're not. It's not like these are like pushover dudes.

526
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: These are actually That's why I'm.

527
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 5: Saying, don't bring up Sam Darnold, don't don't bring up

528
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: a quarterback.

529
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: Don't do that. Don't do that.

530
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: Don't do that, don't do that. Bring him, he said

531
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett. Now I will say that he did call

532
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 5: out Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett would probably do what that

533
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 5: dude did into Indiana Jones Temple of Doom. That like,

534
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: reach into his chest, pull his heart out, and and

535
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 5: and and then burn.

536
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: The heart and do just that right there, boom standing up.

537
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett is a bad man, and that's one of

538
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 5: the most freakish athletes that you would ever deal with

539
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: in in a person.

540
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: But that's like you're you're going for You're going for

541
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: effect based on you know, based on.

542
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: You know, recent news, Miles Garret would probably rather do Daytona,

543
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: you know, for being honest, Well, he can draft. I mean,

544
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: he can draft.

545
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like the one thing the benefit is

546
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: if you schedule a fight with Miles Garrett, he's gonna

547
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: get there quick.

548
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 4: We know that stupid, but.

549
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: There's also it's it's this time of year and we're

550
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: gonna get to the summer months, when you know, the

551
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: NFL is not in season, when all of this stuff

552
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: sorts starts to happen, all of these influencer fights and

553
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: all these like all of these things start to get

554
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: discussed because I think everybody sort of recognizes that once

555
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: NFL comes around, that's the focus of everybody. So yeah,

556
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: you've got you know, like the World Baseball Classics on

557
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: right now.

558
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: You know you've got you've got this.

559
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: There's just there's like fun summer events that pop up,

560
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: spring summer events that people are going to get excited

561
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: and talk about. You know, when Mayweather fought McGregor was August.

562
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: You know, like it's just like this is the season

563
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: time of year for this stuff to go off. And

564
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: even if there is no fight, even if there's no

565
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: fight between Logan Paul and Miles Garrett or an NFL, Yeah,

566
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: it's it's it's in the conversation for a little while.

567
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: Everybody's going to chime in. Football players are going to

568
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: chime in. Look, Tom Brady sort of stoked the fire

569
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: when he you know, he called you know, Logan Paul

570
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: a bitch or something along those lines, and he talked

571
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: about w WE superstars, and so you got WWE superstars

572
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: now talking about Tom Brady. So I asked you this,

573
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: WrestleMania is their big event, right, guess whe WrestleMania is

574
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: again this year?

575
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: Las Vegas? In Vegas? Where's Tom Brady had a lot

576
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: in Vegas.

577
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 5: It's like tom Brady doesn't. Tom Brady is a is

578
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 5: a promoter too. Yeah, but Tom Brady ain't no fighter. No,

579
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: but he a hype it now he can hype it.

580
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: But could you not see him making an appearance? Could

581
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: you not see him making an appearance? Are in Vegas?

582
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: He owned, he's part owner of the team there.

583
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: Why this is what I'd say, though it does set

584
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: up the stage four, the conflict there. I mean again,

585
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 5: we're talking wrestle Mania, So why not have wrestling all

586
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 5: stars versus NFL All stars or former all stars?

587
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 6: Right?

588
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: Why not set it up?

589
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: Lawrence Taylor main evented a wrest years ago against Bam

590
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: Bam Bigelow, like, and you had Steve McMichael was there,

591
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: and like all of these wrestler or all these NFL

592
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: players are there in attendance, Like we've Gronk spin at

593
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: WrestleMania before, We've seen all this stuff happen before. It's

594
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: I'm not talking. I'm not talking a show in terms

595
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: of a show. I'm talking. I said Pinea Seuel because

596
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: I watched him.

597
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: Very closely this season, so his name keeps popping up

598
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: in my head.

599
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: You gotta get the nastiest dudes, Aaron Donald, James Harrison,

600
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: guys like that and do wrestling like. Let's let's do

601
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu like, let's let's octagonnet in the WWE.

602
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: Let's get that.

603
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: I want to see you going there and not be

604
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: afraid when panea Seoul comes.

605
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: Walking up in there and you gotta lock up with him.

606
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: That's what Aaron Donald comes walking up in there, who's

607
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: probably in better.

608
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 5: Shape now, in condition now than he was when he played.

609
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: I want want to see you step in there and

610
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: then not be a show. Could you win or I win.

611
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 5: Somebody's walking out of here. Somebody ain't walking out alive, though,

612
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 5: So you want grappling involved. I just want I want

613
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 5: an art art form. Wrestling is an art form. It's wrestling.

614
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: Wrestling is a history historically, wrestling was is probably wrestling

615
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: in which if you know wrestling, that is an art form.

616
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 5: It's it's it's different different disciplines, professional or so I'm

617
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 5: talking just wrestling. So most most wrestlers from college end

618
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 5: up transitioning into the UFC.

619
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 4: Those are the guys they learned the box.

620
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: It's the oldest combat sport, correct like Roman Greco all

621
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 3: that stuff.

622
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 4: I want to see that.

623
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: You could come in with your your WWE uniform and

624
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: everything like, but I want to see.

625
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 4: I want to see like boxing.

626
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, that's it's a different art form, it's

627
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 5: a different discipl and and it's it's just a little different.

628
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 5: Let's go fool out. You're wrestler. You say you trained

629
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: for your shows with the w w E. Let's get

630
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 5: a w W E versus NFL legends. Maybe let's that's

631
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 5: that's the that's the one I'm telling you. Get Get

632
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 5: guys like like I like I mentioned earlier, get Tamba Ali,

633
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 5: get a like if you were to get up, if you.

634
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 4: Were to get current players I mentioned to Nail.

635
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: But basically, the NFL PA should just send out a

636
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: memo and be like anybody some owing, I mean, anybody

637
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: tonguing they are something. Come on, they are some tough,

638
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: tough dudes, man the best. They are some tough dudes.

639
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you it is not limited to that.

640
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: It is not. There are some tough dudes that have

641
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 4: played in this this league man, and they.

642
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Freaks, like straight up physical athletic freaks.

643
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 4: That tongue they hit you with, that te.

644
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: You know that who's the guy from the Texans to

645
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: he Tommy man, he's the best best.

646
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 4: He throws up the tongue in team and that means

647
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: they did something.

648
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, let him come walking in the octagon with with

649
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: Logan Paul and he hit him with that tea and

650
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: started doing that.

651
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: I was turned up.

652
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: We'll talk about your million bucks when that happened. What

653
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: was the final game of the season. Uh, that guy

654
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: from the Texans scored a touchdown? He scored he scored

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. Part of that was it like a got it.

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Speaker 3: I think they put him as a tackle eligible and

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Speaker 3: they didn't get the ball to him, but he ended

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Speaker 3: up scoring a touchdown on like a blocked field goal

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Speaker 3: or there was some crazy play that happened in the time.

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Speaker 3: And as he's celebrating on the field, Demico Ryans was

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Speaker 3: running out there doing the tea to the.

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Speaker 4: Tongue in team.

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Speaker 3: You want to do oh my god, but he ain't yet,

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Speaker 3: but you.

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Speaker 4: Want to do it, like I want to be a

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Speaker 4: part of that, hey man.

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Speaker 8: Like.

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Speaker 3: One of the great all time stories of a of

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Speaker 3: a teammate fight was Olin Krutz and Fred Miller back

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Speaker 3: in the day when they were they were at a

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Speaker 3: shooting range and Olan Krutz to fre Fred Miller, I

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Speaker 3: guess broke a dumb bell on Ollen Krutzer's head. He

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Speaker 3: smashed him in the head with the dumbbell. Ollen Crutz

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Speaker 3: had to get stitches. But Olin Krutz broke fred Miller's jaw,

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Speaker 3: like just beat his ass. And apparently, you know, they

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Speaker 3: were just had maybe gone out and had a couple

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Speaker 3: and but they were fine. They finished the season together,

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Speaker 3: but fred Miller had to get his job broken. Fred

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Speaker 3: Miller was a big guy, like a really big guy.

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Speaker 3: And then you come to find out, Oh, Ollen Cruz,

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Speaker 3: where's he from? Honolulu Saint Louis High School.

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Speaker 5: What all I'm saying is it's all fine and good

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Speaker 5: to talk all that mess about what you do to

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Speaker 5: any football player and all this old mess that they

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Speaker 5: the logan Paul is in.

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Speaker 4: But there's promoting and then there's real you know. You know,

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Speaker 4: they tell you if you see you.

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Speaker 5: Get some of them real ones up in there, that's

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Speaker 5: a whole different game.

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Speaker 3: Little piece of advice, you know, they tell you, if

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Speaker 3: just back away, or give them a hug. If I

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Speaker 3: have a drink, give them a hug. Man, Hey, Brad.

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Speaker 3: If you hear Hey breda a low hot Friday, you.

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl at the Super Bowl in San Francisco, moments

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Speaker 3: after he had Ryan Leaf and a dars choke I

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Speaker 3: believe based on the reports. But all getting aside, Doctor Chow,

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Speaker 3: Happy to have you with us.

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Speaker 4: How are things?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great? Look at you guys big time here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we are big time. So let me ask you.

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Speaker 3: You obviously were the physician team physician in the NFL

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Speaker 3: for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for

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Speaker 3: years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum

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Speaker 3: return this quickly, Yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and

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Speaker 3: a Tyrese Halliburton there's not even a thought they'd come

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Speaker 3: back this year. How much of this do you think

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Speaker 3: was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics

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Speaker 3: have a chance to win a title.

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Speaker 6: Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury

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Speaker 6: is the same, not every recovery is the same, not

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Speaker 6: every rehab is the same, and not every situation is

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Speaker 6: the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 6: hats off to him, but it's also not the quickest

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Speaker 6: one in NBA history. I mean, Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 6: Rudy Gay, Dominic Wilkins, Chauncey Phillips all came back a

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Speaker 6: little bit quicker than Jason Tatum. Of course, we all

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Speaker 6: look at the longer returns for Kevin Durant, who did

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Speaker 6: return to one hundred percent, and we say this is

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Speaker 6: nice quick return, and you mentioned some other guys, but

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Speaker 6: return to play doesn't mean someone is one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: And as great as Tatum is done, I doubt he's

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Speaker 6: Jason Tatum at one hundred percent when he comes back

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Speaker 6: to play tonight. I think it's spot play working himself

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Speaker 6: in with the Celtics, who have a very good team

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Speaker 6: playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get

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Speaker 6: acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still kudos to him

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Speaker 6: for all the hard work that he is engendered.

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Speaker 4: All Right, So.

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Speaker 5: We talked a few a lot, I guess, some different

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Speaker 5: topics at the Super Bowl, but one of the things

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Speaker 5: was the Max Crosby conversation, and you know, the concerns

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Speaker 5: about what he may or may not have going on,

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Speaker 5: But what is the do you have a latest update

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Speaker 5: on Max Crosby's health. Was this more a shutting him

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Speaker 5: down based off of where the team was, or was

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Speaker 5: it based off of really protecting him and what would

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Speaker 5: perceive to be, you know, a sore knee.

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Speaker 6: Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors

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Speaker 6: and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers,

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Speaker 6: others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But

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Speaker 6: from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we

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Speaker 6: had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were

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Speaker 6: shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct.

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Speaker 6: They were shutting him down for his own good. It

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Speaker 6: turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim.

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Speaker 6: Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Miniscus

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Speaker 6: repair is much longer. As a matter of fact, obviously

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Speaker 6: I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically

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Speaker 6: he does not pass a physical today because it's only March.

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Speaker 6: It's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus repair

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Speaker 6: recoveries are minimum four to six months, and so that

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Speaker 6: may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just

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Speaker 6: the asking price, but he has to pass the physical,

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Speaker 6: and no trade is consummated or final until a physical

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Speaker 6: is passed. If he's wanting to get traded, certainly he

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Speaker 6: could share his electronic or other medical records so a

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Speaker 6: team could project him to be healthy. But as of today,

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Speaker 6: I don't think he passes a physical, and maybe there

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Speaker 6: is a role in that in terms of teams not

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Speaker 6: pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking price yet.

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Speaker 3: Doctor David Choud joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in.

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Speaker 4: For The Herd. Let me ask you one thing, because

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Speaker 4: we were kind of kicking this around.

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Speaker 3: Just to go back quickly on the Jason Tatum stuff,

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Speaker 3: Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan Patrick Show and was

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Speaker 3: mentioning that, you know, based on the documentary and sort

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Speaker 3: of sort of how things timeline wise happened. Listen to

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Speaker 3: Reggie Miller's explanation as to what he saw in watching

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Speaker 3: the Tatum documentary as to why he's back this quickly.

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Speaker 7: The best thing if there was knock on wood, the

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Speaker 7: best thing. When he tore his achilles in Game five,

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Speaker 7: I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,

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Speaker 7: that they attached it right away, and the thinking was

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Speaker 7: the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.

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Speaker 7: That's how quickly, within twenty four hours they had the

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Speaker 7: surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so

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Speaker 7: far ahead of schedule versus Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton

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Speaker 7: is because.

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Speaker 2: They had.

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Speaker 3: When you hear that, do you buy that thought that

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Speaker 3: because the doctor happened to be there, they got the

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Speaker 3: surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the traumat

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Speaker 3: one unders Does that make sense to you as from

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Speaker 3: a medical standpoint.

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Speaker 6: I love Reggie Miller, and I'll take all kinds of

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Speaker 6: three point shooting advice from him, But I don't know

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Speaker 6: that this is and there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly,

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Speaker 6: doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than

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Speaker 6: doing it in a week or two, which is what

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Speaker 6: happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But

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Speaker 6: I don't think if the body recognizes that there's a

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Speaker 6: tear immediately, Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately, could

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Speaker 6: there be a little less swelling in there? Okay, maybe,

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Speaker 6: But I think it's his hard work rehab and sometimes

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Speaker 6: the type of tear that allows him to return, and

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Speaker 6: quite honestly, where the Celtics are where he really wants

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Speaker 6: to return. Whereas no offense to Kevin Durant and Kevin

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Speaker 6: Durant situation, who tore it in that NBA Finals, besides

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Speaker 6: being a big man seven footer, and besides it being June.

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Speaker 6: He waited all that next season and into the next final,

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Speaker 6: into the following season to make sure he really was

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Speaker 6: one hundred percent, and when he came back, he really

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Speaker 6: was one hundred percent. This is why I'm saying I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure Jason Tatum is one hundred percent right now.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective.

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Speaker 6: What Reddy says is awesome, but I would say is

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Speaker 6: the recovery for achilles is also being accelerated by other things.

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Speaker 6: Blood Flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen

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Speaker 6: in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of

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Speaker 6: those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction

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Speaker 6: to help healing. That is something that we saw Aaron

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Speaker 6: Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same

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Speaker 6: season in the NFL. Didn't make it back because the

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Speaker 6: Jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to

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Speaker 6: say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out,

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Speaker 6: which you know is great. And I helped. The doctor

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Speaker 6: helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there

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Speaker 6: and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on

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Speaker 6: his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or

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Speaker 6: a tear immediately.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and looking at where Jason Tatum is, is there

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Speaker 5: any risk of there being any type of re injury

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Speaker 5: of any kind of any sort.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm

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Speaker 6: not saying he's not ready. But you know, any sort

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Speaker 6: of quick eccentric load, is the Achilles as strong today

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Speaker 6: as it will be months from now? Answer is probably no.

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Speaker 6: This is why Durant took, you know, five hundred days

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Speaker 6: to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but

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Speaker 6: I don't think once again he's one hundred percent and

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Speaker 6: I'll give you something else. He's not one hundred percent

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Speaker 6: safe if you really want to talk about it, and

872
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Speaker 6: I hope I don't jinx the man on the other side.

873
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 6: It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after first.

874
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 6: We've seen it in the NFL in many instances. Terrell

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Speaker 6: Suggs is one that comes to mind, So I hope

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Speaker 6: saying that doesn't place any jinks on Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 3: Doctor David Chowd joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for the Herd, What can

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00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: you tell us about Caleb Downs the prospect he was

880
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: at the combine. There was a medical red flag something

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Speaker 3: about the ACL what can you tell us about that situation?

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Speaker 6: And it is something to monitor, it's something to monitor,

883
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 6: but I don't make a lot of it. First of all,

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00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 6: not at all distrusting the reporter that said it, not

885
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 6: distrusting the source or a scout that said it. But

886
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Speaker 6: in my time in the NFL, I've been to twenty

887
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Speaker 6: combines and I always met with the GM or assistant GM.

888
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 6: It was never with a scout. And therefore there's the

889
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 6: game of telephone that can happen. And let me tell

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Speaker 6: you something. If you're talking about a player getting flagged

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Speaker 6: at combines, out of the three hundred and thirty players

892
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Speaker 6: that are there, there aren't one or two at most

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Speaker 6: at our flag to extent, which is do not draft,

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Speaker 6: You cannot draft them. They're probably about thirty or forty

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Speaker 6: or so, sometimes up to fifty red flags where someone

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Speaker 6: has an issue that currently at the combines. They don't

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Speaker 6: pass the physical, but they could project the pass the physical,

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Speaker 6: so it's sort of a stop sign there. And there's

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Speaker 6: probably another a third of the three hundred and thirty

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Speaker 6: one hundred or more that have a yellow flag, which

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Speaker 6: is some history of injury that might affect their longevity

902
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Speaker 6: or something down the road, but that doesn't always affect

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Speaker 6: their draft status at all. So I guess what I'm

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Speaker 6: saying is just because someone is flagged, I'd say a

905
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Speaker 6: third of athletes and the combines are flagged in some way,

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Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean they're going to drop in the

907
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Speaker 6: draft or be undraftable. And I'm old enough that when

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Speaker 6: I first started going to combines, GMS would tell me,

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Speaker 6: is this guy going to be our left tackle for

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00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 6: the next twelve to fifteen years. Well, by the time

911
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Speaker 6: I was done, the question was is this guy going

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Speaker 6: to get us through? Get through his first contract? Is

913
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Speaker 6: all they cared about, right, And there are other instances too.

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Speaker 6: You know, there was a draft pick Sony and Michelle

915
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Speaker 6: for the Patriots and the thirty second pick in the

916
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Speaker 6: first round where we said he's got the gender knees

917
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Speaker 6: and he's not going to last. But guess what, the

918
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Speaker 6: Patriots rode him to a super Bowl in his rookie year.

919
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Speaker 6: He did not have a long career, but they wrote

920
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Speaker 6: him to a super Bowl in that first year. So

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Speaker 6: there's all sorts of reasons for picking players, and I

922
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Speaker 6: don't make a ton out of the kleb Downs report

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Speaker 6: so far.

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Speaker 3: One last one for you here, doctor Chow. Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: what's the realistic timeline for him? Because we're talking about

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Speaker 3: you know, these moves Kansas City is making, you know,

927
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Speaker 3: they're trading away you know, star players on defense, they're

928
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Speaker 3: restructuring contracts. We're looking at this is is this the

929
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Speaker 3: end of the run for Kansas City? Is a legitimate

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind

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Speaker 3: of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming

932
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Speaker 3: off a pretty serious injury first of his career. Really

933
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Speaker 3: to this extent at his age, when do you expect

934
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Speaker 3: him to be full go for next year?

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Speaker 6: Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of

936
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Speaker 6: his play and also getting to injuries. We remember him

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Speaker 6: playing through a high ankle spring and winning the Super

938
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Speaker 6: Bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different.

939
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Speaker 6: It's more than just an ACL, and we've talked about

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Speaker 6: it a lot at Sports Injury Central sic score dot com.

941
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Speaker 6: It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL

942
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Speaker 6: as well as his ACL, which is why he had

943
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Speaker 6: the accelerated immediate surgery. Not because his body wouldn't recognize it,

944
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Speaker 6: but because it's a repair of the LCL and then

945
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Speaker 6: a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The

946
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Speaker 6: best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson

947
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Speaker 6: Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in

948
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Speaker 6: LA against the Rams, tours LCL and ACL. Nick Foles

949
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Speaker 6: came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was

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00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 6: not for Week one last year. He rushed it back

951
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Speaker 6: week four or so and ended up with some back

952
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Speaker 6: issues compensatorily, Here's the thing, Could Patrick do I expect

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Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes to return to one hundred percent or being

954
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is, the answer is yes.

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Speaker 6: Will that happen week one? That is definitely in question.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he'll be one hundred percent himself week one.

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Speaker 6: Is he healthy enough to try and play Week one? Maybe?

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Speaker 6: Will he want to play Week one? Certainly? Will the

959
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Speaker 6: Chiefs let him play Week one when he's not one

960
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Speaker 6: hundred percent? That's the bigger question mark, and they may

961
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Speaker 6: exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise. You

962
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Speaker 6: don't want him to not be one hundred percent and

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Speaker 6: suffer another injury. And I think they're going to take

964
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Speaker 6: it day by day and see how he is, but

965
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Speaker 6: if there's any additional risk, they may not have him

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Speaker 6: playing at the start of next season given the severity

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Speaker 6: of the knee injury.

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Speaker 4: David Show always appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You can get him on x at Pro Football, Doc,

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Speaker 3: and we look forward to updates when some of the

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Speaker 3: wheelings and dealings happening. It happened, and we'll monitor the

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Speaker 3: Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc, We appreciate you, man.