1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: is Noel. Oh gosh, guys, yeah, it's me. Uh. Ladies 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Matt and Noel, and even those of you 7 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: and the listening audience who are perhaps not gentlefolk. Even 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: even the rough and the rapscallions. This is stuff they 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. This is an episode where 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: we're doing something we don't always do, by which I 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: mean we are talking about and events that is going 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: on currently, not an historical thing, um, not a hypothetical thing. 13 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about something topical, which means that we need 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: to put out some disclaimers. So uh, maybe we could 15 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: all we could all say disclaimer together three times to 16 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: make sure that it's it's palpable for people. I think 17 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: we should just do an oath. Should put our hands 18 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: in and do an oath? What just say the thing? Alright, Okay, 19 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: very well, So this is going to be an episode 20 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: that touches on wiki leaks, that touches on politics in 21 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: this episode, we are providing facts and objective information, which 22 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: means that if there are partisans on one side of 23 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: the political divide or the other, they may not like 24 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: the facts. However, facts like numbers do not have opinions, 25 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: they have no affiliation, they have very little affiliation and 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: also apps. Even more importantly, some of the information that 27 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: we were exploring today may change as more stuff comes 28 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: to light or is available. So, like many of you, 29 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: we've spent the last two weeks browsing through the internet 30 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: watching live feeds about the conventions that are occurring in 31 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: the United States. Maybe you don't live here, maybe you 32 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: aren't watching, or maybe you don't live here and you 33 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: are watching because you're interested in what the most powerful 34 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: UH country in the world. In quotes, they're doing quotation fingers. 35 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: You'll just you don't just give you a visual aid. Well, yeah, 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: it's it is interesting to see where it's going, right, 37 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: And you may have seen some stuff in the news, 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: especially about an organization called wiki leaks. Right, So, as 39 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: we're recording this UH, this podcast should be coming to 40 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: you on the twenty nine of July, and at this point, 41 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: the US presidential election seems set on a contest between 42 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: two people would be the campaign of Donald Trump and 43 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: the campaign of Hillary Clinton. In the course of this 44 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: campaign season, UH, several strange things emerged. Both of these 45 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: figures have had controversies, to say the least in the past, right. 46 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: And one of the things that's different about this election, 47 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: about recent elections around the world end here in the US, 48 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: is the emergence of online whistle blowing. And it's the 49 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: old question we've asked before. Are there more skeletons in 50 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: closets now or is it just easier to open the closet. 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: There's more light to be shined in theirs. There may 52 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: be bigger closets to Yeah, then maybe walkins. If you 53 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: were listening to this show, of course you have heard 54 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: of wiki leaks. But if somehow you have not, here 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: is a brief recap. Wiki Leaks is a nonprofit organization 56 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: that's dedicated to publishing anonymous news leaks, including you know, 57 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: correspondence between governments or government departments, uh, stuff from banks, 58 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: corporate memos. Uh. This was first instituted in two thousand 59 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: six in Iceland at least that's when the website came 60 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: out via an organization known as Sunshine press. By two 61 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, Wiki leaks claimed to have amassed millions, 62 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: well one point two million different documents. Most people associate 63 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Wiki leaks with a guy named Julian Assange. Julian Assange 64 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: is an Australian national, but for the past few years 65 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: he's been trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. Four years. Yeah, 66 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: because of allegations of sexual misconduct. Yes, because of allegations 67 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: of sexual missconduct, and those allegations came in Sweden. But 68 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: he is adamant that if he leaves the embassy and 69 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: goes to Sweden, he will be extradited to the United States. 70 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: And we're talking physics. Lee walks out the front door, 71 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: right and uh, London has spent a lot of money 72 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: watching that front door and probably the side doors and 73 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: the back doors in the basements. So he is one 74 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: of the only people that are publicly known to be 75 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: a member of wiki leaks. He is the founder, editor 76 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: in chief, and director. But there are some other names there, 77 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Sarah Harrison, Joseph Farrell, and Christina Craft's son. Yes, and 78 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: there there are several I mean, no one knows exactly 79 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: how many people are in wiki leaks or you know, 80 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: would call themselves members of wiki leaks who are doing 81 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: the operations, right. I mean, let's face it, wiki leaker 82 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: is a weird thing to call oneself for sure, But 83 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: the things that they do require lots of hands, lots 84 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: of eyes, right, yeah, massive amounts of information and they're legit. 85 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: They've done things in the past that, whether or not 86 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: you agree with their methods, have turned out to be true. 87 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: And they've always protected their sources, which makes them a 88 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: good ace for people that are wanting to do a 89 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: large scale whistleblowing to you know, funnel their information through 90 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: them so they can stay out of the picture because 91 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: they have always done a very good job of maintaining 92 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: the anonymity of their sources. Right. If you want to 93 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: learn the inner secrets of scientology, you have Wiki leaks 94 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: to think. They're the reason you can find that stuff 95 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: online right now, all the way up through the O 96 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: T s and they also released UM They also released 97 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: the British National Party membership. They also released Afghan war logs. 98 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: They also UH released Sarah Palin's email account info. Now 99 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: it's important here to say that Wiki leaks themselves are 100 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: not the people going into these um going into these databases. 101 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: They're receiving the information and they're dispersing it. They're distributing 102 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: it like the way like a movie studio might distribute 103 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: a movie that they didn't make their like a fence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 104 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: The the one the wiki leak that I remember the 105 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: most were the collateral murder videos. Do you guys remember 106 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: those in two thousand ten? I remember that one, and 107 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: I remember the massive amount of diplomatic papers and dociers 108 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: and they released them, and the one that made the 109 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: biggest splash early on that I can remember, right. And 110 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: so wiki leaks surfaced in the mainstream news again quite recently, 111 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: and they surfaced because they released leaked emails that confirmed 112 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: some things that uh, the Bernie Sanders campaign had been arguing, 113 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: and not just the Sanders campaign, but other voices in 114 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: the room and the digital echo chamber of modern media. 115 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: So what did they say? On Friday, July twenty two, 116 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: WikiLeaks released twenty thousand internal Democratic National Committee emails. These 117 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: ranged from January t fifteen to May and this was 118 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: three days prior to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia 119 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: this year. That this week, and again, as they have 120 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: done very well in the past, they refused to reveal 121 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: the source of leaked email. But um, in June, a 122 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: hack are using the name goose offer or as I 123 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: like to say, goocy fur because you know, like Gucci 124 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: Maine two point out claimed responsibility for the hacking into 125 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: the DNC's computer network, and then on Sunday July, the 126 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton campaign manager claimed that the emails were leaked 127 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: by quote Russians for the purposes of helping Donald Trump 128 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: end quote. So that's interesting because the content of the 129 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: emails will explore the idea of the source of these 130 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: uh later in the show. But the content of these 131 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: emails and didn't make the d n C look particularly good. 132 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: They did not at this point show any outright illegal behavior. No, 133 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: it showed a couple of things like, uh, well, we're 134 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: going to talk about a lot of things. But it 135 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: showed preferential treatment to people who donated a whole lot 136 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: of money, and a very clear bias against the Sanders campaign, 137 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: which you know they alleged all along. Right before the 138 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: Iowa caucuses, there was a data breach into the d 139 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: n c s networks that exposed some I guess you 140 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: could call it proprietary candidate information as far as you know, 141 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: different donors and information like that for the Sanders camp 142 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: versus the Clinton camp and the Debbie Wasserman Schultz and 143 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee basically penalized the Bernie Sanders campaign 144 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: because it came from one of their employees. And then 145 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: Sanders direct threatened to soothe the DNC because they were 146 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: withholding this proprietary information almost as retribution for this breach, 147 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: which I think is kind of interesting and a a little 148 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: bit ironic considering what has happened now. But he alleged 149 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: that they were giving Clinton preferential treatment, and now with 150 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: the leaking of these twenty thousand emails, that can be 151 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: made much more palpable when you kind of really dig 152 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: into it. Sure, and we we have some examples of 153 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: stuff from this from this email chain. Here's a good quote. 154 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: It might make no difference, but for Kentucky and West Virginia, 155 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: can we get someone to ask his belief this is 156 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: referring to Senator Sandors, Well, it's thought that it's referring 157 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: to senator senators fair enough, they don't actually use his thing. 158 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Does he believe in a god? He had skated on 159 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: saying he has a Jewish heritage I think I read 160 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: he is an atheist. This could make several points difference 161 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps love the use 162 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: of the word peeps here. Uh, would draw a big 163 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: difference between a Jew and an atheist. This is from 164 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: Brad Marshall, the DNC chief financial officer. And then we 165 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: have Mark Postenbach, national Press Secretary, who says it would 166 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: do mean if he's a good burning nevery did for 167 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: a story, which is it burning? Never if it is 168 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: it together it and it is campaign he's a mess. 169 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Uh that's uh not the way Mark probably sounds. I 170 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: just wanted to do that voice. I was gonna say 171 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: if he got the job of National Press secretary with 172 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: that voice, that guy is he's a smooth talker. Maybe 173 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: so they show that, you know. Also, as as we 174 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: said earlier, that the big donors were given special treatment, 175 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: which to me is not a surprise because that happens 176 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: in most situations in US politics. It's one of those 177 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: things that you don't really want people to think about 178 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: too much, at least people who are donating, you know, 179 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: like you listening or us speaking here, who can only 180 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: give a certain amount of money. Uh, you won't be 181 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: able to sit down in a rumor maybe sitting next 182 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: to Barack Obama during some event. Now this is where 183 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: it gets uh, this is where it gets interesting because 184 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: shortly after this, on July two, the chairwoman of the 185 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: d n C resigned. This is Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who 186 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: was working with Clinton the Clinton, the former Clinton campaign 187 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: run for president, Yeah, for president two thousand and eight, 188 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: and as a representative from Florida and for people who 189 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: were fans of Bernie Sanders. This seemed to be a 190 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: conflict of interest that this person holding office at the 191 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: d n C when you know previously they had supported 192 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: a specific democraticign So this can all sound a little 193 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: bit dry, a little bit policy wonky um inside baseball, 194 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: but uh, it is important because if this information is true, 195 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: while it does not at this point indicate an illegal act, 196 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: it does indicate a disingenuous approach. Right, a difference between 197 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: what was publicly stated by this organization what was privately 198 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: acted upon, and the other side of the political aisle 199 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: is of course having a field day with this. You 200 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: can check out you can check out numerous statements by 201 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: the other presidential front runner, the big one, right, tweetswe right, Yeah, 202 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: you can see numerous tweets from Donald Trump's campaign regarding this. 203 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: So this has given some fire to the supporters of 204 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: the Bernie Sander, the former Bernie Sanders campaign. Uh. And 205 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: there was audible descent. You know, people were booing the 206 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: crowd of people were cheering to out way the booze 207 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: and the crowd was fighting with itself. And uh, it 208 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: seems like many of these people who were supporting Sanders 209 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: are deciding which are shouting shame, shame, shame, like that 210 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: scene in Game of Thrones. Really yeah, and so this 211 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: of course does not look like very unified approach. And 212 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: then on the other side of the political aisle, for 213 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: different reasons. Uh, there's a lot of dissent in the 214 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Conservative conventions, right and the question about wiki leaks. So 215 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: the reason this is not over yet, well, this is 216 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: a current event is because Julian Ossange when remark when 217 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: talking about this, Uh, Julian Assange also said that his 218 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: next leaks will ensure the arrest of Hillary Clinton. And 219 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a bit of a frightening idea 220 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: of that the one of the top people to become 221 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: president could be arrested for doing wrong things. It feels 222 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: like a movie. And how much of that is just 223 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: hyperbole perhaps? How much of that is is wiki leaks 224 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: marketing itself? And where did these come from? That's the 225 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: big question. But first a word from our sponsor. H 226 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. During an interview with CNN 227 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: on July, Robbie Mooch, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, cited some 228 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: unnamed experts, which is Simpson noise. Yeah, we've heard, We'll 229 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: get to it. Uh. These unnamed experts believe that quote 230 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: the Russians are to blame for these d n C 231 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: email leaks, and we have a quote from him, Noel, 232 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: would you be so kind just a little just f 233 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: yy there. So this is this is conversation on This 234 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: is someone this is not printed from a book or 235 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: a journalist. Is a guy kind of stammering a little bit, 236 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: someone trying to do that justice. What's disturbing to us 237 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: is that we experts are telling us that Russian state 238 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: actors broke into the d n C stole these emails, 239 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: and other experts are now telling us that they are 240 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: the Russians are releasing these emails for the purposes of 241 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: actually helping Donald Trump. I don't think it's coincidental that 242 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: these emails were released on the eve of our convention here. 243 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: We also saw last week at the Republican Convention that 244 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: Trump and his allies made changes to the Republican platform 245 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: to make it more pro Russian boom. So it's it's 246 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: interesting there, right when we when we explore this statement 247 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: on the Russian side, the Russian government responded as well. 248 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: On Thursday, Kremlin spokesperson named Dmitri basic Goal said accusations 249 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: of a Russian hand and hacking democratic emails bordered on 250 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: total stupidity. How do you say that in Russian? I 251 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: feel like it's just gonna be one word. I feel 252 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: like it comes up and we're motivated by what he 253 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: said was an anti Russian sentiment. Yeah, his quick quote is, 254 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: as regards these emails, batches, Uh, that is not our headache. 255 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: We never poke our noses into others affairs, and we 256 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: really don't like it when people try to poke their 257 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: noses into hours ben. So, I mean, is this Russian 258 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: notion just coming from this guy? Muck? Was muck from yeah, 259 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: from the campaign manager. That's an interesting question because as 260 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: as you all heard, uh, I can't allow an unnamed 261 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: expert to pass because in the US, places like the 262 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Washington Post or New York Times or other publications of 263 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: note will often use that or will publish something like 264 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: that or acclaim like that that comes from an anonymous source. 265 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: And what this allows people to do is release. And 266 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: I'm just saying kind of thing with responsibility or culpability 267 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: or accountability, right, So it's it's a thing that happens 268 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: often when let's say a member of the military or 269 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: the government needs something out there but added arms removed 270 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: so they can say and didn't actually say that. So then, 271 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: for instance, a Pentagon spokesperson would say something off the record, 272 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: and you'll hear unnamed official with the Pentagon says blah 273 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: blah blah. And this kind of technique is invidious and 274 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: it's dangerous, and it occurs so often. If you haven't 275 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: noticed it before, now you will notice it over and 276 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: over and over again, especially in mainstream news. Back when 277 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: I used to work for public radio, we were never 278 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: allowed to use unnamed sources period. But I think what 279 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: ends up happening is when the topic is so hush 280 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: hush and under wraps, I think it just it can 281 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: shed a little bit of light on an area that 282 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: otherwise would be completely murky, and to use that as 283 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: a caveat. And you know that is being truthful if 284 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: you're putting it out there and saying, hey, this is 285 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: not confirmed. But it's the equivalent of saying, hey, somebody said, 286 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: I heard what Trump said all the time. You know, 287 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: it's like, people say this thing, but it does kind 288 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: of stink, because if you're an effective journalist, you have 289 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: sources that are embedded in places that have close ties 290 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: or maybe our experts, but they just don't want their 291 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: name out there associated with this, right. Well, hell man, 292 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: it's the same as what's going on with the wiki 293 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: leaks in the first place, you know. I mean that's 294 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: maintaining the anymity of a source and it doesn't make 295 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: the source material any less valid if it can be 296 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: confirmed and people respond to it. So yeah, if if 297 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about rather than a statement from an 298 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: unnamed expert, and we were looking at a document, let's 299 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: say that was showing that it came somehow from a 300 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: Russian source, then it would be different. Well what okay 301 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: for It's just a totally different example. Um for antagonizing 302 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: Iran or something like that, then there would be a 303 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: statement that's like an unnamed source in the Pentagon said 304 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: that Iran is pushing, is playing a brinksmanship game that 305 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: it will lose, and particularly noted the continuing war exercises 306 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: at the Strait of hormones or something, and that's clearly 307 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: a threat from a government to another government. But now 308 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: it's and I'm just saying, and I think you make 309 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: an excellent point and all regarding the the sort of 310 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: double sided acts here, the double edged blade, because we 311 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: cannot praise one place and and a blanket scale for 312 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: its anonymity while vilifying another side for essentially doing the 313 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: same thing. But um, I want to point out this 314 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: story that broke in New York Times on the twenty 315 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: five July. He said, proving the source of a cyber 316 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: attack is a new obviously difficult, which is true. And 317 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: then they say, but researchers have concluded that the National 318 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: Committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were 319 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: the same attackers behind previous Russian cyber operations at the 320 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: White House, uh the State Department, and the Joint Chief 321 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: of Staff last year. They also say that metadata from 322 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: the hacked emails suggests they have through Russian computers, and 323 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: even though a hacker claimed responsibility for giving these to 324 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: wiki leaks, uh the same agencies. Those Russian intelligence agencies 325 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: are the prime suspects. There's actually a Times article from 326 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: the very next day um that just as American intelligence 327 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: does quote, American intelligence agencies have told the White House 328 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: they now have high confidence that Russian government was behind 329 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: the theft of emails and documents from the d n C, 330 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence. 331 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: What is interesting though, is that they attributed to quote 332 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: fairly routine cyber espionage, which the US takes part in 333 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, we're always poking our nose around 334 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: other you know, other countries business, trying to just test 335 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: the waters and make sure no one's up to any 336 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: kind of terrorist activities. You know, it's interesting. The biggest 337 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: thing for me is proving that that is in fact 338 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: the IP address where things came from, or if there 339 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: are markers inside somewhere that were left that you could 340 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: prove that this happened. Because because anyone who is sufficiently 341 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: sophisticated enough within to do one of these attacks, you 342 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: have the ability to cover up your tracks, at least 343 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: to a large extent. And you have to wonder too 344 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: if the intent was in fact to manipulate an election, 345 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: because what's coming out now is that they're a suspicion 346 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: that Trump isn't releasing his tax returns because it will 347 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: show business dealings with Russian oligarchs, and therein lies a 348 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: you know, motivation perhaps for him to perhaps you know, 349 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: be in collusion with the Russian government to help manipulate 350 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: and swing things in his favor. Sure, there's also the 351 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: possibility that this was done as a routine thing and 352 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: that some individual decided to leak it to Wiki leaks. 353 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a good point because we have to 354 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: remember that it's that it's often just an individual who 355 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: becomes a whistledoer. But there's a bubble that occurs right 356 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: in media and right now it is UH. Right now. 357 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: There are questions that are not being asked that should 358 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: be asked, such as if, like, how much do we 359 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: actually know as a nation about the UH cyber the 360 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: militarized cyber side of the Russian government. We we know 361 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: a little bit about the the Chinese government's relationship with hackers, 362 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: but the Russian intelligence agencies and their cyber attack arms 363 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: are are relative black holes in the West. And usually 364 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: when a country is hacking another country, they're looking for 365 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: security stuff, They're looking for federal level things. Is it 366 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: a little self important to think that an entire country 367 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: would care to that level? And if they were, they 368 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: were capable of doing that, then why didn't they do more? 369 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: Why would it be such a weird little thing about 370 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: they said something sort of sleazy about someone's religion of 371 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: of all things to hack. Yeah, I was I was 372 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: trying to imagine taking that route if it was, if 373 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: it was truly state actors, of going through wiki leaks 374 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: to have it come out, if from a strategic standpoint, right, 375 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: to to show to maybe hide the fact that it 376 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: is you right, uh, that it is the state releasing it. Oh, 377 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Well, the also the military 378 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: intelligence there, their resources are stretched, they don't have all 379 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: the time and manpower. So this also, I don't know this, 380 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: This doesn't quite add up because I don't think there's 381 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: any solid proof, there's high confidence. Right in the New 382 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: York Times, what did our buddy Snowden have to say 383 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: about it. You know, I'm glad you as he weighed in, 384 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: and he he did say that if if a leak 385 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: occurred or a hack occurred from the Russian side, from 386 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: a state actor, then the n s A would know 387 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: about it, would certainly know about it. And also, let's 388 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: not forget that Russia popping up in the news like 389 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: this is a convenient reminder to Uncle Sam that Edward 390 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: Snowdon got away and is living well, not the high life, 391 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: but he's living a life outside of a jail in Russia. 392 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: And so he also has had some recent conflicts with 393 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: Julian Assange because you know, Wiki Leaks just wants to 394 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: release everything on a searchual database, whereas Snowdon says there 395 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: should be some sort of curation. Right, it's right, like 396 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: if we're gonna be harming people's lives, are endangering people 397 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: by releasing it, and that occurred to be here too. 398 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: I mean, this does seem like a pretty targeted release, 399 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, to bring negative attention to the Democratic Party 400 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: in a time where many would argue that you know, 401 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: the alternative could be disastrous, shall we say? So? It 402 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: makes me wonder like do do a songe and his 403 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: folks just kind of want to watch the world burn. 404 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: And also, you know, the stuff they don't want you 405 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: to know here is the source of the leak. It 406 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: reminds me of the Sony hacks uh few years back 407 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: when when these rampant, increasingly odd accusations came forward and 408 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: they you know, people were saying North Korean government hacked 409 00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: Sony because they didn't like that movie, because because that 410 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: was that was on the priority the high on the 411 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: priorities of an entire country was a Seth Rogan movie. 412 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: So there's a another theory here, which Matt you found. 413 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: And as if this isn't enough to think about and 414 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: moll over, there are other theories that are coming out 415 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: of the woodwork on our conspiracy Oh my gosh, if 416 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: you aren't on there, go over to the subreddit or 417 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy and just look at that thing. It's all kinds 418 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: of different ideas about what's going on and why. One 419 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: of them that I found is from Richard Manzo who 420 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: was writing for regated dot com and nol you said 421 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: you actually found this as well. Yeah, I saw a 422 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: meme um that just kind of like was you know, 423 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: a sort of an informational one that was trying to 424 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: connect some dots here, and it just you know, all 425 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: you can do is look at this at its at 426 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: its face value. I don't know that there have been 427 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: any specifics that have been released from this leak that 428 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: lends any credence to this, but it sure is interesting 429 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: that Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the um ousted um d NC chair, 430 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: was Hillary Clinton's campaign share when she was running against 431 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: Barack Obama exactly, and at the time the chair of 432 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: the d n C was Tim Caine, well in two 433 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: thousand nine, correct, correct, But if you're gonna do a 434 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: little back room delons and say, hey, how can I 435 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: install this person who is loyal to me as the 436 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: chair of the Democratic National commit Committee, the body that 437 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: will or will not help me get nominated for the presidency, 438 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need the person that's in that job to 439 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: step down and recommend my pick. And that's exactly what 440 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: happened with with Tim Caine. But in order to do that, 441 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: you kind of got to promise Kane something, don't you 442 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: What might that be? Maybe my VP pick? I don't know. 443 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: I thought it's not gonna I thought it was gonna 444 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: be some concert tickets. Yeah, Steely Dan or something. And 445 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, as as you noted, no, there's absolutely no 446 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: evidence to support this besides the circumstantial stuff of what's happening. 447 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: But it is, you know, it does seem like you 448 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: would make a good storyline for a house of cards, right, 449 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I again, we're not trying 450 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: to get into opinions here, but we know that there 451 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: are those that distrust Hillary Clinton to a degree because 452 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: she has a sort of interesting relationship with the truth, 453 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: shall we say, and that she has changed stories several 454 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: times in very high profile ways. I'm not saying that 455 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: she is not truthful, but there have been examples multiple 456 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: times of her telling different versions of stories and quote 457 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: misremembering things. Sure, and and she comes from just a 458 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: massive political dynasty or how it was. The president, she 459 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: was probably one of the most activist first ladies that 460 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: we've seen, you know, and has held high level positions 461 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: in the governments ever since. But it's not as if, 462 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to engage in what about 463 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: is um or arguing and defensive any anyone actually in 464 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: this race. But we see that on both sides, this 465 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: sort of twisting narrative. And I can completely see this 466 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: being a revenge leak from a domestic source, you know, 467 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: because again it's it's just it's strange, and it's a 468 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: it's a neat explanation to say that there's a Russian implication, 469 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: But how do we know, like you said, no, that 470 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't an individual how do we right? Right at 471 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: this point, a lot of what you are going to 472 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: hear regarding this will be largely speculation tarted up to 473 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: look like fact. And unfortunately that's that's the world in 474 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: which we live. But Julian Assange's statement also makes me, 475 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: also makes me wonder are we going to encounter uh 476 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: more releases here? It gives it, It brings us to 477 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: a bigger issue. All right, So if Russia is implicated, 478 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is that eventually there will be 479 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: some sort of proof that will emerge, right, And what's 480 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: going to happen with Snowdon and Assange is that they're 481 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: still going to stay in limbo for a while unless 482 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: they get some kind of pardon from whomever becomes president next, 483 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: which is you know, honestly probably not going to happen 484 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: regardless of who gets elected. But the much much bigger 485 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: issue here and I think it's one that's explored by 486 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: think tanks pretty often. I think it's one that's explored 487 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: by policymakers, but not as often as it should be 488 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: in the average news is what kind of what kind 489 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: of world? What kind of electoral processes are we going 490 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: to encounter when a non governmental uh, nonprofit, private organization 491 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: can affect something so powerful a single anonymous individual could 492 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: topple an institution. You know, if the right person with 493 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: the access to the right stuff decides that they want to, 494 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: as you said, no watch the world burn, then they 495 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: can just release like nuclear codes. Well and in the 496 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: same way that technology has closed the gap in terms 497 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: of creators. For example, you know, now anyone can be 498 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: a filmmaker. Anyone can you know, has the wherewithal to 499 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: get a computer with garage band could make an album 500 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: on the same token, anyone with access to this information, 501 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: whether they work within a company, within a government organization. 502 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: It is easier now than it ever has been to 503 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: affect real change, be it positive or negative. And and 504 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: we're increasingly seeing distrust of the media that used the 505 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: days of the trustworthy anchor with the patriarchal fireside voice 506 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: just telling you what is what, and who is who 507 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: and so and so those days are gone. People don't 508 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: believe in that kind of thing anymore. And you know, 509 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: should we have in the beginning, And what we're seeing 510 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: now is just these various competing, conflicting narratives and overall 511 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: it is it is hopefully a good thing because it 512 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: allows equalizer. Yeah, it allows people ourselves included too, to 513 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: see both sides of an argument. Despite the Internet filter 514 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: and search bubble, which is real. We've talked about that 515 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: in the past, how your past searches will indicate your 516 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: opinion about something, and how Google or another search engine 517 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: will cater to that opinion. And the same thing, of 518 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: course happens with your Instagram, your face. Because you see 519 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: that Facebook admitted to filtering out d n C leak, yes, 520 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: and they didn't say why they did it. They also 521 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: they also were showing preferential treatment to or killing um 522 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 1: conservative perspective things. And you know, I think I think 523 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: Facebook is one of the most garbage forums on earth 524 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: to have a serious conversation about religion, money, love, or politics. 525 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: You know, like I said, it's a great aggregator different sources. 526 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: I love it for that. That is where I get 527 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: my news. I don't. I mean, I just in terms 528 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: of I've subscribed to different pages, and you know, I'm 529 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: mainly it's meme pages. That's where I live right now, 530 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: in the world of me because the real world's kind 531 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: of ugly. Um. But yeah, God, don't ever try to 532 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: get into a back and forth God forbid with one 533 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: of your friends with an extreme opposing viewpoint as you. 534 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: It is danger danger, Will Robinson, it's bad times. Don't 535 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: do it where we are with this though, Man, this 536 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: is obviously a continuing story. This is obviously something we're 537 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: gonna keep saying. With these leaks, you always have a 538 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: massive volume and so it takes time to dig through 539 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,959 Speaker 1: and find the tasty bits. Who obviously found a few. 540 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: But what's next, Well, that's a great question, and it's 541 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: something that we would like your help answering. Ladies and gentlemen. 542 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: We can save Julian Osange is telling the truth. Then 543 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: there will be other leaks to follow as we record this. Uh, 544 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: some voicemails were recently released which they were still sorting through. 545 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: They were a part of the leaks, It's just they 546 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: were kind of hidden throughout it. And there was a 547 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: user on Reddit. They went through in a transcription which 548 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: was really nice, so you can or at least a 549 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: basic transcription so you can see what they are about 550 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: having to filter through them. And it's easy to get 551 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: lost in the wash of information because now it's no 552 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: longer a needle in a haystack situation. The truth was 553 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: hidden in the fifties by being suppressed. Now the truth 554 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: is hidden by being part of a glut of the 555 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: let's forget about the crowdsourcing, yeah side of this, you know, 556 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: released this massive dump, and there are enough people with 557 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: enough time on their hands that if you work together, 558 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, independently, but yet as kind of a swarm 559 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: of people, you're gonna dig through and find the stuff 560 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: much quicker, you know. Yes, And speaking of crowd sourcing, 561 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: we're we're going to put a pause on this for 562 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: now and wait for more information to develop. We would 563 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: like to hear from you. Is there something to this 564 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: Russian allegation? Does wiki leaks have damaging political information? This 565 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: is a who done it? And pretty soon it may 566 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: be a who to thunk it, And sadly, often with 567 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: these cases, maybe it will be gone in a week 568 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,959 Speaker 1: and we won't hear about it again save for this 569 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: strange episode of this podcast. But before we go today, 570 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: speaking of our amazing listeners, I think it's time for 571 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: shut out corners. Yes, that's right, ladies and gentlemen. Our 572 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: shout out corner. Our first shout out comes to us 573 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 1: via Christopher H. Christopher H. Says, Hey, guys, love the show. 574 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: It keeps me full of facts during my long hours 575 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: driving at work. Recently read a book titled The Truth 576 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: about Dishonesty and found it absolutely fascinating. It explains and 577 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: questions the idea of cheating and how it is universal. 578 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: Several of the experiments made me question the nature of mankind, 579 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: but I know and see how the world works a 580 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: bit clearer. I also believe Netflix has released of video 581 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: version explaining the experiments within. I thought it would be 582 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: a good idea to do a podcast on cheating and 583 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: believing in our own lies, as it ties in nicely 584 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: with issues at the heart of banking, politics and sports. 585 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: Hope this finds you well. Uh shout out from Rainey 586 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: Scotland into the love of my life, Zoe, who has 587 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: to listen to all the stories you guys tell on 588 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: a second hand basis. Thanks so much, for writing Christopher. 589 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: The second shout out for today goes to Amy Gonzalez. Hello, fellas, 590 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm a loyal podcast listener and would love a birthday 591 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: shout out for this coming podcast. Happy birthday, Happy birthday, 592 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: and shout out to your man Jr. Because in a 593 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: previous email you asked for a shout out to him 594 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: as well, and I don't think we got to that. 595 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: One also said I'd love to thank Noel for the 596 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: il Boa voice. I have to say, Amy, this brightened 597 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: my day and and justified that stupid voice that Ben 598 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: makes me to um that we came up with, whilst um, 599 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, having a little cocktail of the night after 600 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: works so um, that's great voice, Amy, Amy, what do 601 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: you have? Had a kind of hot and uh make 602 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: God to be with you. Who's next? The final shout 603 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: out goes to Jonathan V. Jonathan says he found us 604 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: listening to Josh and Chuck. Well that's cool, apparently they 605 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: shouted us out. He has concerns about Pokemon Go. As 606 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: we kind of mentioned, there are a lot of concerns 607 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: about the game. Only concern I have is when I'm 608 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: gonna get a dang bulbazore. What what level are you 609 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: right now? Seven? Man, I'm I'm way behind. Everyone else 610 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: in the office is like twenty something getting a break, 611 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: while I am currently level zero. I haven't started yet. Diana, 612 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 1: my wife, tells me I need to Uh, he says, 613 00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: to do with metadata, picking out individuals and selling unique data. Um, 614 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: it might be possible, but not so cost effective to monetize. However, 615 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: when you fit a demographic and you need a Squirtle, 616 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: how how much value is there to a particular store 617 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: or location in having a squirtle when they know that 618 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: within Pokemon Go, you need one that's interesting. So the 619 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: idea of strategically placed Pokemon to get people into brick 620 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: and mortar stores, Yeah, that's a very good point. 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