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Speaker 1: you for joining us one year later as commemorations of

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Speaker 1: political system. Welcome to the Fastest Hour in politics, where

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Speaker 1: today we consider the lessons learned one year ago and

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Speaker 1: Would you support reforming the Electoral count Act? That seems

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Speaker 1: And yes, you're saying, well, our study shows that they're

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Speaker 1: You're you're longing for the days of regular order, Senator, Oh, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the fact that they have this occur is is ultimately

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Speaker 1: shame on them. Right. History will actually handle this badly

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Speaker 1: for those people. UM. But what is particularly interesting to

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Speaker 1: me about the crew analysis is is how I would say,

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Speaker 1: um ineffective the c suite is in most of these corporations.

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Speaker 1: And when you read the list, it's the who's who

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Speaker 1: are the fortune one and and and they get out

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Speaker 1: there on these on these cultural issues, and I would consider,

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Speaker 1: you know, campaign finance, you know, it's almost a cultural issue,

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Speaker 1: but it it transcends that, it's you know, the Me

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Speaker 1: Too movement, the Black Lives Matter. They are singularly incompetent

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Speaker 1: in navigating cultural America in any consistent way. And and

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Speaker 1: yet the vast majority of their company's value is not

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Speaker 1: is intrinsic value, it's it's the image that these companies have.

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Speaker 1: And so what happened on the way to the c

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Speaker 1: suite where these managers have become so horribly incompetent in

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Speaker 1: in being able to actually do the right thing for

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Speaker 1: their company and their shareholders, And as UH Congressman Kinziger

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Speaker 1: pointed out, and for the pack holders who are actually

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Speaker 1: individuals who work in those companies, who give their own money.

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Speaker 1: It's not just corporate funds that are at stake here,

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Speaker 1: and and and and the level of inconsistency is horrifying.

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Speaker 1: Rick is asking a lot of big questions. They're Genie

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Speaker 1: and it is Who's who. It's Boeing, It's Coke Industries,

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Speaker 1: General Dynamics, Valero Energy were listed here by crew as

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Speaker 1: the top corporate donors to those who objected to the

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Speaker 1: election and their party committees. Are these companies just assuming

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Speaker 1: nobody cares? I I do think that they are. I

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Speaker 1: also think there is another side to this. There was

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Sonefeld released a commentary on this, and he said

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Speaker 1: the argument that people have written egged on their pledge

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Speaker 1: that they made after the January six insurrection is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily the case, and you have to look a little

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Speaker 1: bit closer at the data. So I do think there

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Speaker 1: are two sides of this. This has been a long

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Speaker 1: standing challenge in the United States. Tom Friedman wrote a

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Speaker 1: piece over the weekend calling on c e O s

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Speaker 1: and others to take a stand. We saw corporations take

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Speaker 1: a stand after Texas began It's it's uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the voting rights and then um

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Speaker 1: some other sort of legislation that ended up passing. But

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Speaker 1: so there are efforts being made. More should be made,

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Speaker 1: and that's why these kind of stories are very important

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Speaker 1: because you know, people do not necessarily know who the

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Speaker 1: companies that they, you know, buy from and use their

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Speaker 1: services are donating to. So the more transparency there is

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Speaker 1: on this, the more consumers like us can make proper

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Speaker 1: decisions about who they want to do business with. Not

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Speaker 1: that any of them did anything wrong, although, Rick, it

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Speaker 1: just becomes more of a story when you promised not

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Speaker 1: to do so and a couple of months later and

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Speaker 1: people aren't looking to go back to your day to

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Speaker 1: day business. Yeah, and and all of your guests today

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Speaker 1: have made one important point, which is what has gotten

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Speaker 1: better since they made this commitment. Have any of these

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty three members actually said, oh, no, I

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Speaker 1: was wrong. I should not have voted against the certification

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Speaker 1: of this election Joe Biden one Um, No, not a

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Speaker 1: one of them. And so so your wonder in that boardroom,

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Speaker 1: what are they thinking at Boeing, the number one giver,

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Speaker 1: you know, three hundred and fifty thousand dollars to these guys,

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Speaker 1: and they're sitting around talking about, Oh, hey, these guys

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Speaker 1: have all learned their lesson. They're gonna be fine. They

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Speaker 1: are this hundred and forty three members are the ones

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Speaker 1: who are promoting these crazy, uh, conspiracy theories, and so

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Speaker 1: the accountability on this is really going to come down

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Speaker 1: to who calls out these companies. We've seen pressure put

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Speaker 1: on them by climate activists. What happens when the political

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Speaker 1: activists turn on these guys speaking of conspiracy theories. We

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Speaker 1: did hear from Donald Trump today? I remember he was

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Speaker 1: going to speak from our a lago, canceled that but

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Speaker 1: cranked out I believe to separate statements, UH today including

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Speaker 1: Biden is working hard to try to deflect the incompetent

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Speaker 1: job he's doing and has done on the horrible Afghanistan withdrawal,

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Speaker 1: the border's, COVID inflation, loss of energy independence, much more.

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Speaker 1: The other one was a lengthy statement calling calling out

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Speaker 1: the events of the speech today on the events of

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Speaker 1: January six, Uh, what's going on here? Rick Davis. We

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Speaker 1: spoke earlier with Adam Kinsinger kind of the other side

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party from Donald Trump. Was his was

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Speaker 1: his position among among his basically strengthened today to be

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Speaker 1: addressed like that directly by the President. Yeah, I think that, Uh.

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Speaker 1: The way that they did it was definitely to be

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Speaker 1: in the fight, right, fighting for democracy, fighting for the

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Speaker 1: principles that President articulated today, um, and and they picked

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Speaker 1: a fight with Donald Trump, and and Donald Trump took

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Speaker 1: debate and and and and responded in a way that

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Speaker 1: I think in a rational side by side comparison. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden made a case for why uh we should

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Speaker 1: be uh deploring the actions of the president former president

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Speaker 1: United States, and the president former president made a great

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Speaker 1: case as to why he should be deplored. Did he

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Speaker 1: just ensure though, that Donald Trump is the nominee? Not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of people out

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Speaker 1: there who want that job, Republicans, good Republicans who have

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Speaker 1: a mission to ensure that Donald Trump isn't president and

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Speaker 1: and some of which are from his own administration. And

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Speaker 1: so if Donald Trump thinks he's gonna have a runway

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Speaker 1: uh to the nomination, I'm confident that these folks are

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Speaker 1: going to fight for that opportunity themselves. Did Did Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden strengthen Donald Trump's hands at a genie? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I think Joe Biden did today what he

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Speaker 1: should have done and wanted to do. I think it

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Speaker 1: was a very strong speech on his heart, and I

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Speaker 1: think he made it. You know, that much more difficult

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Speaker 1: if Republicans decide they want to nominate Donald Trump in

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Speaker 1: for them to do that and think they could win,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, Donald Trump released the statements today,

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Speaker 1: and Joe Biden has had challenges in his first year,

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Speaker 1: but one thing he stands squarely on is he is

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Speaker 1: defending democracy and Trump is defending fascism. He can win

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump in a way he can't potentially win

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Speaker 1: against another Republican. So this is what Republicans know, which

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Speaker 1: is why they don't want to talk about January six

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Speaker 1: and why they don't want to spend time with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw that with Junkin in Virginia. So

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Speaker 1: they want him to his supporters out in primaries to

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Speaker 1: vote for them, and then they want them to go

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Speaker 1: away quietly and they want to bring the independence they

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Speaker 1: need to win. So, you know, Democrats would like nothing

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Speaker 1: else than Donald Trump on the ballot for the next

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Speaker 1: ten years. That's what's going to help them, especially now

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Speaker 1: and as they go into this midterm. In the second

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Speaker 1: much longer your statement from Donald Trump today, it reads Biden,

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Speaker 1: who is destroying our nation with insane policies of open borders,

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Speaker 1: the others I mentioned, uh used my name today to

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Speaker 1: try to further divide America. I guess the irony there

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Speaker 1: is Ricky actually never said his name once in the

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Speaker 1: whole speech. Yeah. I don't think that was lost on

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I mean when when your name Trump is

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Speaker 1: on everything from the toilet paper roll to stakes to wine.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Um, the idea that those

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Speaker 1: you know letters were not enunciated off the president. We

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Speaker 1: have a branding problem here. We have a branding problem.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from Liz Cheney before we wrap

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Speaker 1: things up today. Of course, congresswoman who would have been

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Speaker 1: normally at at odds big time with Democrats, showed up

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Speaker 1: today for a moment of silence in the US House,

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Speaker 1: attended primarily by Democrats who were there, and she was

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Speaker 1: joined by her father, the former Vice president, of course,

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Speaker 1: a former member of the House, Dick Cheney, and reporters

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Speaker 1: spoke with him very briefly as they were coming outside

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Speaker 1: the carriage entrance. Listen to Liz Cheney, the future of

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Speaker 1: the country is at stake, and there are moments when

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Speaker 1: we all have to come together, um, in order to

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Speaker 1: defend the constitution. Party who is in thrall to the

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Speaker 1: personal um is a party that is um dangerous for

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Speaker 1: the country. Interesting to hear her speak, but much more

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Speaker 1: interesting to see her standing there in during the moment

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Speaker 1: of silence. Rick Davis with an aging Dick Cheney who

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Speaker 1: showed up today to support his daughter. Uh in a

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Speaker 1: year that, my goodness, the year that family has had,

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Speaker 1: the death threats and everything else that has come with this,

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Speaker 1: watching the Center votes against against his daughter. What was

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Speaker 1: that symbolism for you? Having him there? You know, I

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Speaker 1: think it was very strong. Uh. Dick Cheney has uh

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Speaker 1: receded from public life and to show up there to

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Speaker 1: support his daughter, to support our democracy. Uh, there was

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Speaker 1: nothing in it for him. He served as country admirably

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Speaker 1: well and um and I think it was a wonderful

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Speaker 1: moment for our country to remind ourselves that there are

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Speaker 1: families that have devoted their lives to the defense of

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Speaker 1: our democracy. I always wish I had more time with

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Speaker 1: Rick and Jeannie. Thanks to both of you, as we

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Speaker 1: remember what happened a year ago, keep it from happening again.

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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg