Speaker 1: Now now, Hello everybody. I am Jason Alexander here with
Speaker 1: my partner Peter Tilden, And I know I always turn
Speaker 1: that over to you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you got to give me the
Speaker 2: big cue, like I wouldn't know. Well, who's you're talking to?
Speaker 1: Your new to show business. Welcome to our show, really no, really,
Speaker 1: where we discuss the things that make us say.
Speaker 2: Really no, really, like the bell. Laurie, our producer, hates
Speaker 2: that frigging bell. Really every time you look at a little face,
Speaker 2: by the way, she looks mad when she's happy, when
Speaker 2: she's mad.
Speaker 1: So if I ring it one more time, I'll be
Speaker 1: right on cue because today's show. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you're joining us from, if you're
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube or the iHeart podcast network or Apple Apple,
Speaker 1: no matter where you're watching us from, I will tell
Speaker 1: you that I take a risk every time I ring
Speaker 1: that bell because our produce so Laurie could run in
Speaker 1: here and wreak havoc. And today's theme happens to be
Speaker 1: risk Peter risk.
Speaker 2: I know I was doing the preparation.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you were that guy. Yes, I feel
Speaker 1: like I took a little risk coming in here today seriously,
Speaker 1: and I mean seriously. So it's raining out here in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. I grew up on the East coast. You
Speaker 1: grew up on the East coast. Why can't people on
Speaker 1: this coast drive in rain? What happens? Why did they
Speaker 1: want to?
Speaker 2: Real answer?
Speaker 1: They're danger there there there anticipation of the danger and
Speaker 1: the mayhem and the and the the shifts they make
Speaker 1: and they're driving patterns and habits change so dramatically that
Speaker 1: it actually causes treacherous situations.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, may I say? First, if you've never driven
Speaker 2: with Jason, he drives like a grandparent who needs to
Speaker 2: have the key taking you What you know, that's sad talk.
Speaker 2: You have tacit with the grandparent where it's time you're
Speaker 2: not driving anymore. That's not more.
Speaker 1: Number two, wait example that what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like what I go too slow? Is that what you say?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I go too slow? Oh so my wife is wrong?
Speaker 1: Oh she says you go through fast. Yeah, she needs
Speaker 1: she needs ten car lens between me and the car
Speaker 1: in front of me.
Speaker 2: Another reason why I won't drive with you and the wife.
Speaker 2: So Paul mungjy In better known as Mungo cameraman for
Speaker 2: the last twenty five plus years. Do I read this
Speaker 2: whole thing this way doesn't come close.
Speaker 1: To cam camera guy. Give him the man has the life.
Speaker 1: Give him his credits. Tell people who this man is.
Speaker 1: To say he lives off camera his entire life, well,
Speaker 1: actually not true. He had his own show, but most
Speaker 1: of his life he lived off camera. Tell people what
Speaker 1: he did, Paul, we've run out of time. Paul Mungjing,
Speaker 1: better known as Mungo, has worked as a cameraman for
Speaker 1: the last twenty five plus years. But that doesn't come
Speaker 1: close to capturing this man's experience. He isn't a cameraman
Speaker 1: working on a backlot of some sitcom stage. No, nor
Speaker 1: does he walk around I don't like the way you
Speaker 1: said that.
Speaker 2: But nor does he walk around with a news reporter
Speaker 2: capturing the tepith thrills of a three alarm fire.
Speaker 3: No epit thrill unless you're in the three a long fire.
Speaker 3: Then it's Mongo experience. Yeah, Mungo is a bit more
Speaker 3: extreme than that, way more extreme. He traveled over ninety
Speaker 3: five countries. And by the way, while I'm prepping this thing,
Speaker 3: it's so funny. Any article they read hits seventy countries
Speaker 3: and it's seventy eight country. Two minutes later we counted
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 2: He's ninety seven countries. Filming for all the major broadcasters
Speaker 2: with the biggest name he did Bear Grills. He also
Speaker 2: had on Will Ferrell, Ben Stiller, Kate Winsley who can
Speaker 2: hold her breath for over seven minutes nineteen and a half,
Speaker 2: Simon Cowell, and Charlie Boorman. Following his Demand and Adventure TV,
Speaker 2: Mongo has now stepped in front of the camera and
Speaker 2: for the first time he has his own adventures on
Speaker 2: his own show, which we're talking about. He's written books
Speaker 2: and all. Let's let's say.
Speaker 1: Hi to Hello there, Mungo. How are you, Sarah?
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for having me exhausted from
Speaker 2: your credits, you look you're that guy. Were you always
Speaker 2: in the dread like as a kid, did you or
Speaker 2: were you the one who licked the socket you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, put the thing in to see what
Speaker 2: the electricity? Were your risk taker like for right out
Speaker 2: of the crib.
Speaker 4: I never been asked that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was adventurous and I was always very sporty,
Speaker 5: and I loved, I love always taking the risk.
Speaker 4: I loved being the one out there.
Speaker 5: I love playing rugby, and I think all my experience
Speaker 5: was about trying to perform in the moment, so whether
Speaker 5: you're under pressure. Also with adventure sports like surfing, which
Speaker 5: I loved, it was all about you had to perform
Speaker 5: in that moment.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so all the way through my childhood I did.
Speaker 4: I did some silly things, silly things, and I did
Speaker 4: the tale right.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what was one of the stupidest kind of dare.
Speaker 4: It was my own dare to myself. That's how stupid
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 5: Just the other day I was watching my son Gus,
Speaker 5: who's five years old, and he was tying himself to
Speaker 5: the banisters of our stairs. I live in Bristol here
Speaker 5: in a house which is one hundred years old, so
Speaker 5: he got quite high stairs and he was just tied
Speaker 5: himself on. Unfortunately I managed to get to him before
Speaker 5: he kind of threw himself over.
Speaker 4: That's what I did. But I was a kid, so
Speaker 4: he was literally.
Speaker 1: It was his idea was he was gonna he was
Speaker 1: gonna lash himself to the banister and then hop over
Speaker 1: the real to see if it went.
Speaker 4: Hold, because that's what he sees everybody to Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: I have a lawsuit for Tom Cruise. Right, wow, and
Speaker 2: so what do you okay not to break their spirit?
Speaker 2: Because my parents any time they saw me do anything
Speaker 2: cutting with a knife, they go, don't overheat. That was
Speaker 2: my don't overheat was the line. Okay, so no sports,
Speaker 2: no running, don't accelerate. So you, being mister adventure parents,
Speaker 2: how do you have to talk with a kid that
Speaker 2: doesn't break his spirit?
Speaker 5: I let him do it, but I let him do
Speaker 5: it safely. So for example, I made a conscious decision
Speaker 5: to teach us, who's just turned the five, how to
Speaker 5: light the fight, and and.
Speaker 1: So excellent parenting. They let me let me interrupterence. You
Speaker 1: might want to just do ear muffs for a second,
Speaker 1: call the authorities. Five year how had a light of
Speaker 1: fire in Bristol? And right, this is not this is
Speaker 1: not this is not like they're out camping. He's the
Speaker 1: kids hanging from the banister, and he goes, while you're
Speaker 1: up there, let me teach you how to light of fire.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's good that you take a
Speaker 2: kid who's going to jump off a banister and it's
Speaker 2: predisposed there to say, you know what flame claim next.
Speaker 1: And then and then knives of course, and then small
Speaker 1: we're back with Paul Mongom. Sorry you taught him to
Speaker 1: light the fire, and.
Speaker 5: Also things like using a knife, because I figure that
Speaker 5: if he's not, if he's not thrown himself off something,
Speaker 5: if he's not trying to light a fire, he's not
Speaker 5: if he finds a knife lying around, which kids do
Speaker 5: you know, they find them, they.
Speaker 4: Can't see the draw, They pick out a big knife, and.
Speaker 5: I figure that it's worth teaching him correctly of how
Speaker 5: to handle it, how to use it, and then kind
Speaker 5: of give him boundaries and so far, so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless he turns on you with the knife after
Speaker 1: you lay down the boundaries my kids.
Speaker 2: When I teach my kid to use a knife, as
Speaker 2: maybe when he turns thirty seven. So but you know,
Speaker 2: but that's interesting, you know, in reading about risk taking,
Speaker 2: the fascinating thing about it, and I wonder if you
Speaker 2: experienced this too without risk taking when business and whatever
Speaker 2: innovation doesn't usually happen, of course, so it's fascinating. The
Speaker 2: guys who are not risk takers are not necessarily innovators.
Speaker 2: And does that resonate with you? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think you know, if you sit on your hands.
Speaker 5: If you don't put yourself out there and have different experiences,
Speaker 5: you don't grow in character. The attitude of all the
Speaker 5: team that I work with has going to be a
Speaker 5: kind of gun ho, but safely gun ho within perimeters,
Speaker 5: like I teach Guss. And it's all about having that
Speaker 5: can do attitude. And one of the reasons why I
Speaker 5: love working with Americans in America is that it's your
Speaker 5: natural kind of can do attitude. Yeah, if my dad
Speaker 5: used to say, my dad used to work in America
Speaker 5: a lot as a publisher, and he used to say
Speaker 5: what he loved was that the Americans always have a
Speaker 5: glass half full attitude, whereas the Brits or the Europeans
Speaker 5: will often have a glass half empty attitude. And I
Speaker 5: love that, and I love to be surrounded by people
Speaker 5: who kind of go, well, why can't we do that? Yeah,
Speaker 5: what's stopping us?
Speaker 4: Let's give it a go. Right.
Speaker 1: It may have been a while since your last visited
Speaker 1: the United States, but thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank You're talking to two people whose parents said, there
Speaker 2: is no question, yeah, don't break the glass.
Speaker 1: You don't run, You're going to break the glass, Which
Speaker 1: is why I'm not a risk taker. So I understand that.
Speaker 1: You you know, you're born with this curiosity to push yourself.
Speaker 1: But you made your living essentially with a camera. So
Speaker 1: where did the how did the connection between oh I
Speaker 1: like doing this stuff, now let me do it with
Speaker 1: a camera. How did that come to be interesting one?
Speaker 4: Actually?
Speaker 5: I mean at school, I was definitely known for my
Speaker 5: brawn rather than my brain, so.
Speaker 4: I knew had to play to my strength.
Speaker 5: I was good at sport, excelled at sport, but the
Speaker 5: other thing.
Speaker 4: I could do was art.
Speaker 5: So ideally I kind of needed to find something. It
Speaker 5: wasn't a case I wanted to find it. I kind
Speaker 5: of needed to find something which was creative but also physical.
Speaker 5: And you know, I had a few options to me
Speaker 5: of army or whatever. I never did the military formerly,
Speaker 5: although I ends up working with a lot of military
Speaker 5: over the years. But I kind of studying art. I
Speaker 5: got my qualifications, went to art school, and then thought
Speaker 5: what do I do? And then one day I met
Speaker 5: through a friend another guy called Simon Niblett, who's a
Speaker 5: well renowned documentary cameraman over here. And I met this
Speaker 5: guy and I just thought, yea, he had landrovers, he
Speaker 5: had motorbikes, he was leaving to go to Africa to
Speaker 5: work with David Attenborough doing wildlife living in jungles for
Speaker 5: weeks on end with wild animals, and I just thought,
Speaker 5: this guy's living my dream literally because it's kind of
Speaker 5: he's doing a creative job with his camera, but also
Speaker 5: he's got that physicality of having to survive in these
Speaker 5: environments while working, and I just thought, you know, I
Speaker 5: want some of that. So really I was very fortunate
Speaker 5: because I did find that job that I suited it,
Speaker 5: and it suited me.
Speaker 2: Let's get to some of the risk taking. I know
Speaker 2: you talked to him. I think I really said, one
Speaker 2: of the worst places a jungle, because there's so much
Speaker 2: stuff that can kill you. But I started putting myself
Speaker 2: in your place thing and not only can it kill you,
Speaker 2: but I've got to have backups. I've got to have batteries,
Speaker 2: I've got to have These other guys are worrying about themselves,
Speaker 2: I got to worry about myself, the equipment, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: The shot I'm looking through an eyepiece while an anaconda
Speaker 2: is coming up my rear. You know, it's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, is that the worst place to work? The jungle?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean, personally, out of all the environments I've worked in,
Speaker 5: which is pretty much all of them now, I think
Speaker 5: the jungle is my least favorite. You get soaking wet
Speaker 5: from the minute you walk into the when it you
Speaker 5: walk out, whether it's raining or whether it's a sweat,
Speaker 5: pretty much everything is out there to kill you or
Speaker 5: to get inside you, and I've had a few experiences
Speaker 5: of that as well. I had a bug live in
Speaker 5: my ear for three days, which drove me insane. I've
Speaker 5: been bitten by probably everything there is to buy you
Speaker 5: in Jungles. It's very It's a beautiful place, but it's tough,
Speaker 5: really tough. It just SAPs all the life out of you.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I guess the reward is high, but it's
Speaker 5: it's a tough experience being there with jungle. It's just
Speaker 5: hard work from the minute you go to the minute
Speaker 5: you come out.
Speaker 4: It's worthing.
Speaker 2: Do they have Do they have extraction points? Like if
Speaker 2: you get so you're there, you're filming, you're looking at
Speaker 2: the eyepiece and a code will bite you on the butt.
Speaker 2: Do they have an extraction point? Do they have anti venom?
Speaker 2: Do they have stuff or is it hate? Paul anybody
Speaker 2: who want us to say goodbye to you'll text them
Speaker 2: right now and like, what's the protocol theer?
Speaker 5: No, we have we have people looking after us for
Speaker 5: a start, so we have when we go into these places.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of X military guys who are
Speaker 5: in our safety team, and they have protocols if something
Speaker 5: does happen. We have you know, good comms with each
Speaker 5: other through walkie talkies, but also we have satellite phones
Speaker 5: where we can know our safety team would have already
Speaker 5: been in touch with the nearest hospital to work out
Speaker 5: what the emergency and is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say a flag on the play because
Speaker 1: that seems like cheating. I'm going to go specifically to
Speaker 1: your work with Bear Grill Now. It seems to me
Speaker 1: that the premise of the Bear Grills show is how
Speaker 1: would you survive in these extreme places? How do you
Speaker 1: handle these things? It seems to me if if an
Speaker 1: anaconda bites mango or or bear comes across a carcass
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, I think I can eat this,
Speaker 1: and he eats a you know, a piece of liver
Speaker 1: that's well past the expiration date, and he starts to
Speaker 1: get in trouble, the show should be How do you
Speaker 1: survive now, not with I have twenty seven comms, and
Speaker 1: I have a medical team and a military and now
Speaker 1: you're off the premise. So you know, let's show the
Speaker 1: real thing. Let's you know, you got bitten by an anaconda.
Speaker 1: You got nobody you're in the jungle except you got
Speaker 1: bear there going wow, mate, that's that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: bad bite episode.
Speaker 5: When he's dropped his shopping on camera where he's throwing
Speaker 5: up on camera. He got stung by bees and then
Speaker 5: swelled up on camera.
Speaker 4: So you don't agree with we have that. But obviously if
Speaker 4: it's it's only TV, right, I mean, it's not worth
Speaker 4: dying for.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this too, because there was
Speaker 2: a controversy a little while back about that he was cushier.
Speaker 2: I read something that said he was cushier and it
Speaker 2: was misrepresent thought it was misrepresented because he was staying somewhere.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the rich Carton, but he was staying somewhere that
Speaker 2: was covered where you're not going to get bitten by
Speaker 2: a stake, but gave the impression that he was out
Speaker 2: in the public.
Speaker 5: How did they address that, Well, they addressed it quite
Speaker 5: easily actually, so that the channel at the start of
Speaker 5: the show, they just added that. You know that bear
Speaker 5: Is has the help of professionals while making the show,
Speaker 5: as does the crew, and he basically says, I'm going
Speaker 5: to show you how to survive, opposed to I Am
Speaker 5: going to survive.
Speaker 4: It's as simple as that. And it was you that
Speaker 4: was a long time ago. Now a long time ago,
Speaker 4: so things have you know, but old to me.
Speaker 5: Look, we're making a TV show, you know, it's not
Speaker 5: like he's really crushed in a jungle making.
Speaker 6: Right, Oh don't break that well from to that to
Speaker 6: that extent, just to get a peek behind the scenes
Speaker 6: of making a show like that, so you know, like
Speaker 6: when he finds he's like, oh my god, I found
Speaker 6: a hunk of rope that's going to come in handy
Speaker 6: and then sure enough, it sure does.
Speaker 1: Is that all pre planned? Is the rope planted there?
Speaker 1: Or is he actually making discoveries and using things ad
Speaker 1: lib as he goes a bit of.
Speaker 5: Both, to be honest, I mean, you know, again from
Speaker 5: making TV and we've got a limited time in that location.
Speaker 5: We've got to make things work, and obviously we've got
Speaker 5: safety to think of with the crew, So it's about,
Speaker 5: you know, we've got a journey in mind now. Working
Speaker 5: with Bear for seventeen years now, I know that he
Speaker 5: will stick to the plan to a certain degree, but
Speaker 5: then he'll just go off because that's the way he is,
Speaker 5: and we just have to go with it. And obviously
Speaker 5: that's obviously a lot where the magic happens. We're going along.
Speaker 5: We've thought about what the plan is with Bet and
Speaker 5: we kind of make it all up as we go along,
Speaker 5: and then obviously things I'm running Wild.
Speaker 4: Then we bring a celebrity with.
Speaker 5: Us who then goes to the journey and experiences what
Speaker 5: we experience.
Speaker 1: And their reactions are real right now, they's coming.
Speaker 5: Running Wild is an extraordinary series. I've done eight seasons
Speaker 5: of it now and it never ceases to amaze me
Speaker 5: that they these guys who are used to having an
Speaker 5: entourage with them, or at least their agent or their
Speaker 5: best friends, they literally get left. They have to come
Speaker 5: by themselves because a lot of what we do is
Speaker 5: close quarters in helicopters or going down slot canyons where
Speaker 5: you just can't have a hundred people, and we've got
Speaker 5: very few people on the ground as well. We can't
Speaker 5: look after more people basically, so we take these people
Speaker 5: literally out of their comfort zone. They've never done anything
Speaker 5: like it before, and their reactions are extraordinary, I mean
Speaker 5: absolute euphoria most of the time, as well as tangible terror.
Speaker 2: In fact, the readings if the headline was we killed
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell would be me. Everybody would turn it to
Speaker 2: be for a couple of days. Yeah, then Carnation episodes
Speaker 2: and I watched that.
Speaker 1: But but but to that, it's an instruction on how
Speaker 1: to do things well, how to do things safely. So
Speaker 1: I immediately my Jewish mother is always in the back
Speaker 1: of my head going why do they take the doors
Speaker 1: off the helicopter? That's not safe? Why do we start
Speaker 1: by creating a dangerous situation? If I'm in the helicopter,
Speaker 1: if I'm Will and the helicopter with Bear, first thing
Speaker 1: I'm doing is go, where's the door? Why are we
Speaker 1: hanging out the why are we hanging out?
Speaker 5: There's a sliding door that slides back.
Speaker 2: You bet your the.
Speaker 5: On many helicopters they open out, so you just couldn't
Speaker 5: do that. It would be impossible. So you take the
Speaker 5: door off so that you can repel out of the
Speaker 5: side of the headicle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want to do. I'd be ready
Speaker 2: to repel.
Speaker 1: That's what that's the safety reason, so that you can.
Speaker 2: Repel if you By the way, there are twelve trason
Speaker 2: characteristics of bold risk takers. Can I ask you and
Speaker 2: Jason together, if you have these traits you're ready? Sure
Speaker 2: you're comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah, I'm always uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable
Speaker 2: right now. Just how you live.
Speaker 1: Well, it's mostly because you know, you know.
Speaker 2: You're up for a gamble.
Speaker 1: Boys, Really, you're a gambler.
Speaker 2: See now, I'm he didn't mean literally, You're so literal.
Speaker 4: I'm not gambling with money. I'm gambling with my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm neither. I know. I'm a poker player.
Speaker 1: So people go, you're a gambler, and I go, no,
Speaker 1: I don't like the gamble. I like to play pokers.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of risk. That's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a risk. You're being very kind, all right. What
Speaker 1: else you're used to getting in trouble?
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 5: I like pushing boundaries, but I think sometimes rules are
Speaker 5: there for a reason, So youah tensative fleet Maybe I
Speaker 5: don't I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't like getting. I understand you're in my twelve
Speaker 1: years of primary school, never went to the principals.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I got all the time. You're a person
Speaker 2: of action. You don't sit around. You can't sit.
Speaker 5: No, I struggle with. My wife says, I'm like a labrador.
Speaker 5: I need to get my exercise and I need a
Speaker 5: lot of food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife says, I'm a little more like a
Speaker 1: French bulldog. I just sit and pa, I eat pastry.
Speaker 1: That's the b a French part.
Speaker 2: And a seventeen year old French bull You know what
Speaker 2: you want. You're pretty clear on what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what I want and not to
Speaker 1: do risks.
Speaker 2: You trust your gut?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Not in the not in his situations, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't want to be with you on a
Speaker 2: hill and I had you to trust your gun.
Speaker 1: Why am I on a hill?
Speaker 2: You trust your gun? If you have experience, you're naturally curious.
Speaker 4: Yes I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's say say, yeah, you are to an extent,
Speaker 2: not that much.
Speaker 1: Not that much.
Speaker 2: You can brush off failure.
Speaker 4: I've got better at it over the years.
Speaker 5: I used to have very high standards but then when
Speaker 5: you do fail, you pick yourself up. And yeah, when
Speaker 5: I worked with the guy who taught me camera work,
Speaker 5: I remember I made some terrible mistakes while prepping kit.
Speaker 5: And as you know, because you know, I know, you've
Speaker 5: worked in TV and stuff, you understand that if a
Speaker 5: cameraman loses here's one little bit of kit, you can
Speaker 5: jeopardize the whole shoot. So I made some massive mistakes
Speaker 5: while prepping kit when I was learning.
Speaker 4: But he said to me.
Speaker 5: Simon said to me, I don't mind you making mistakes,
Speaker 5: but never make that same mistake twice or a willm.
Speaker 1: When you are filming out in the world and things
Speaker 1: are happening, but you're also, as you say, an artist,
Speaker 1: and you wanted to look right and you wanted to
Speaker 1: look good. Is there ever a situation where essentially you
Speaker 1: have to turn to somebody like bearing, Oh, sorry, mate,
Speaker 1: I missed the shot. Can you drink your own your
Speaker 1: own one more time? I miss it?
Speaker 5: To be honest, Jason, I think there are a lot
Speaker 5: of cameramen out there who are probably better than I
Speaker 5: am a camera work. But I think the reason why
Speaker 5: I've been successful is because I do.
Speaker 4: Get that shot and hopefully you're any.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think, in all honesty, I reckon that
Speaker 5: in seventeen years, I reckon I could count on one
Speaker 5: hand the amount of times that I've said we didn't
Speaker 5: get it, can we do it again? So because of that,
Speaker 5: he knows that if I do say it, we really
Speaker 5: need it, or he hasn't got a show.
Speaker 1: So you've said jungles are the hardest. But is there
Speaker 1: is there a job you don't take? Is there a
Speaker 1: thing you wouldn't do? Is there just somewhere you go
Speaker 1: I don't want.
Speaker 5: That, you know what? Recently there went to Ukraine, he
Speaker 5: interviewed President Lensky. And I've got two boys now, I've
Speaker 5: got a seven year old and a five year old,
Speaker 5: and I just made the cons decision with my wife
Speaker 5: with you know, I just I just don't want to
Speaker 5: take that risk anymore. I've done war zones when I
Speaker 5: was single and younger, and as Bear says, you know,
Speaker 5: we both say together that we realized that the older
Speaker 5: we get, hopefully the wiser we get. And we realized
Speaker 5: that the less brave we become. And I think for
Speaker 5: me it was a case of you know, it would
Speaker 5: be amazing to meet him, for sure, but yeah, what
Speaker 5: if that happened? You know what if the worst happened
Speaker 5: and there's an air strike or something, and and I
Speaker 5: was sitting there looking at my little boy, thinking, you
Speaker 5: know what, why would I Why would I do that
Speaker 5: just for a buzz now, you know, or just for
Speaker 5: a high paid job.
Speaker 4: It's like it's just worth of risk.
Speaker 2: Curiously too, you're looking in the viewfinder ar but he's
Speaker 2: got a peripheral thing going, so you don't see stuff
Speaker 2: that's coming at you. Have you ever had that experience
Speaker 2: because you're getting the shot.
Speaker 5: It's funny because when you when you talk to cruise
Speaker 5: especially crews you do war zones, often the cameraman is
Speaker 5: the guy that can actually escape from what's going on
Speaker 5: around him. And I've used this technique before in Africa
Speaker 5: before in Rwanda, where you can put your eye in
Speaker 5: the viewfinder, close the other eye and it's like you're
Speaker 5: watching the movie or watching TV because you're literally watching
Speaker 5: the screen, whereas the sound man who's there is trying
Speaker 5: to capture the sound, which is sometimes grizzy as well,
Speaker 5: but he can see everything. And often it's those guys
Speaker 5: that have the real trouble with you know, post traumatic
Speaker 5: stress disorder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, is PTSD and trauma part
Speaker 1: of the gig for most of these guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is. I think it is. I mean,
Speaker 4: I remember when I came back from Rwanda.
Speaker 5: I was there just after the main genocide, but I
Speaker 5: came back and I was writing an invoice, and I
Speaker 5: kind of thought I'd got away with it, as in,
Speaker 5: getting away with being too traumatized, even though it was
Speaker 5: pretty horrific some of the stuff we saw. And then
Speaker 5: suddenly when I was writing his invoice, I just broke
Speaker 5: down into tears.
Speaker 4: Unexplained it really.
Speaker 5: And and it was just it was just the release
Speaker 5: of the emotion of trying to deal with it. And
Speaker 5: often on cruise, when you're in these tough situations, often
Speaker 5: the I'm not saying this in a big headed way,
Speaker 5: but more from the level of experience you have.
Speaker 4: Often it's the cameraman that people.
Speaker 5: Look to to get you through, and you very much
Speaker 5: are the leader of the technical team, but.
Speaker 4: Also your experience really helps with morale et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: So you're often kind of pulling people through these experiences,
Speaker 5: and then when you get to the other end, you're
Speaker 5: kind of like, wow, what just happened?
Speaker 4: You know, and that's when it will really hits you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I've read stories too, Paul about the cameraman and
Speaker 2: cops got shot. I mean, you don't realize how many
Speaker 2: people are at risk. One of the shows that both
Speaker 2: turned over. There's got to be a lot of stories
Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, or there have been disasters. Does that
Speaker 2: affect you? When does it go through the community real quickly?
Speaker 1: It does?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it mustively does.
Speaker 5: Helicopters crash is our one because we use helicopters a
Speaker 5: lot of the whole time. It's one of these kind
Speaker 5: of usps, really, and when we know of helicopters that
Speaker 5: have gone down, it always sends the kind of shockwave
Speaker 5: through our team of life.
Speaker 4: You know. It's kind of a numbers game. Yeah.
Speaker 5: When you speak to the helicopter engineers, they talk about
Speaker 5: the Jesus bolt, which they call it the Jesus bolt
Speaker 5: because a bolt that holds the kind of propellers together
Speaker 5: on top. And I said to the guy once, ye know,
Speaker 5: why do you call it that? And he said, well,
Speaker 5: if that bolt goes, the next person you'll see is Jesus.
Speaker 1: If somebody listening was interested in getting into what you
Speaker 1: do and trying to go down that path. What's the
Speaker 1: way in, what's your suggestion, what do they need to know,
Speaker 1: what do they need to do or pursue.
Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, for most, I think the media is still
Speaker 5: very much who you know, not what you know. I
Speaker 5: was very lucky in that I just met people at
Speaker 5: the right time, quite randomly actually, But that's when I think,
Speaker 5: coming back to risk and the adventurous spirit, I think
Speaker 5: when doors open up, it's up to that person to
Speaker 5: push the door and really go for it and see,
Speaker 5: you know, explore what opportunities are there.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 5: I didn't have many options really, so I was very
Speaker 5: fortunate that my door opened up to you almost thirty
Speaker 5: year your career. But I would say start at the basics.
Speaker 5: If you want to be in TV, if you love cameras,
Speaker 5: get to know the kit first. I always suggest to
Speaker 5: people that watch the shows that you love to watch,
Speaker 5: and then watch the credits, see who make those shows,
Speaker 5: and then contact the companies and just say, look, I'm here,
Speaker 5: I've got a massive desire for it. This is maybe
Speaker 5: what I've done, We've got a little bit of experience,
Speaker 5: or I'm trying to get experience. Sometimes I'll give my
Speaker 5: time for nothing for a few weeks so I can
Speaker 5: come and meet you. And also, I think the biggest
Speaker 5: tip I always say is don't just send a CV,
Speaker 5: don't just send an email or a letter, but try
Speaker 5: and get face to face meetings with people.
Speaker 1: Would you suggest one more question? And then I'm going
Speaker 1: to turn it over to you because I heard your
Speaker 1: hand and this to me is a really not really
Speaker 1: somewhere in your background, I understood with all the things,
Speaker 1: the crazy things you've done, that somewhere when you were
Speaker 1: in Laos you found occasion to eat a Penis true
Speaker 1: or not true?
Speaker 2: Really? No, really, because by the way, for me and Jason,
Speaker 2: we're out of that. Look, I'm becoming an accountant, I'm
Speaker 2: becoming a dentist. At that point, I'm rethinking my career.
Speaker 2: This was a tribe offer the tea, right, Yeah it was.
Speaker 5: It was a tribe that we were filming up in
Speaker 5: the mountainous area of Laus and part of the the
Speaker 5: elder men that is the tradition to give the group
Speaker 5: an aphrodis.
Speaker 1: This was a wedding.
Speaker 2: This was a big deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hasten to add that it didn't taste like chicken.
Speaker 4: It wasn't still attached to the dog.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, any guardney that they do with it like a
Speaker 3: wine that goes well with reasoning, nice reason.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it wasn't a great dane. It was just a
Speaker 4: little dog.
Speaker 1: So what do you mean unfortunately?
Speaker 4: You mean fortunately it was.
Speaker 2: A dog nugget. So do you have if you didn't
Speaker 2: need it but a victim from the tribe?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: No, But I mean, you know, sometimes on these things
Speaker 5: you're gonna you're getta judge whether it's right to kind
Speaker 5: of play along and when it's not. I mean sometimes,
Speaker 5: to be honest, I've kind of done stuff and thrown
Speaker 5: it over my shoulder.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, it sounds like a scient Feld episode.
Speaker 2: So in closing, I got to ask you this what
Speaker 2: your take is on If you look at the science
Speaker 2: of risk taking, it's interesting because there are theories. It's
Speaker 2: about word people who have endorphin rushes, and that's the
Speaker 2: sports junkies ex. Even the jackeass guys. There's an adrenaline
Speaker 2: rush that comes with it, and you can't get enough
Speaker 2: of that and you're downtime. It's worth it to take
Speaker 2: a risk. That's one theory. Another theory is that genetics
Speaker 2: play some part into it. Another theory is it's people
Speaker 2: who believe or not want to be in control and
Speaker 2: that gives you a degree of control. And there's another
Speaker 2: theory that says it's mental illness and extreme people should
Speaker 2: be checked because there may be a degree of mental
Speaker 2: illness going on there. And I'm not saying it's a joke,
Speaker 2: it's why would you take a risk, especially if the
Speaker 2: benefit versus loss benefit in your case, Yeah, you take
Speaker 2: the risk. You got a TV show Eve with Knievel riskers.
Speaker 2: He's going to get paid six million dollars and jump
Speaker 2: the canyon. The guys jumping off their roofs in the
Speaker 2: cape are not there's it's just stupid, And there's the
Speaker 2: riskers downside. Does any of that resonate with you? Ye?
Speaker 5: Multiple, I think all of them do, to be honest,
Speaker 5: to a degree, I think genetically. My grandfather was a
Speaker 5: spitfire pilot in the Second World War, so he was
Speaker 5: banged up for a bit of you know, he was
Speaker 5: nineteen years.
Speaker 4: Old and flying over France. I've definitely got that in
Speaker 4: my DA and A.
Speaker 5: My great grandfather was a missionary in China at the
Speaker 5: turn of the century, and in those days, you know,
Speaker 5: it wasn't just pith helmet, it was like, really, I
Speaker 5: think they ran for their life three times from the
Speaker 5: box of rebellion.
Speaker 4: I think all the other ones about the bean in.
Speaker 1: Control, Yeah, I heard mental health issues.
Speaker 5: I think the beaning control thing is that I like
Speaker 5: the problem solve and I like the fact that there's
Speaker 5: a challenge. So we want to go here, we want
Speaker 5: to do this massive stunt. Can we make it work?
Speaker 5: I love being in the leadership part of a team
Speaker 5: to work that out. That's true age, isn't it. And
Speaker 5: just have of experience of thinking there'd been too many
Speaker 5: times while I sit there when I was when I
Speaker 5: was younger, and just thought this could be so much
Speaker 5: better if we did it this way, not just creative.
Speaker 5: So I think leading in that sense of control would
Speaker 5: be And I totally get the mental health thing, as
Speaker 5: in weighing up the balance of risk. And that's why
Speaker 5: I say that Bear and I both say these days
Speaker 5: that you know, the older you get, the less brave
Speaker 5: you are. And I think, you know, I look at
Speaker 5: my son and I think, why, you know, why would
Speaker 5: I go there just to get this kind of sexy
Speaker 5: credit by the way.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what kind of insurance
Speaker 2: you have, but we just got a note from producer
Speaker 2: lawyer that after you reveal that you taught your five
Speaker 2: year old how to do fire, your insurance rate double
Speaker 2: went up. So you want to quiet your carrier. By
Speaker 2: the way, can you get insurance? They say, well, have
Speaker 2: you done anything risk taking? Do you smoke? Do you
Speaker 2: do this at smoke?
Speaker 5: I know though I struggled for years actually to get
Speaker 5: life insurance because I just ticked every box because I
Speaker 5: had to. Will you ever go to a wall zone?
Speaker 5: Will you ever fly in helicopters? Will you ever be
Speaker 5: mountaineer climbing? It's like the answers yes.
Speaker 1: From State farms calling Yeah, Paul, let me say it
Speaker 1: has been a joy to spend time with you. I
Speaker 1: hope I am never engaged with you professionally because it
Speaker 1: means I am doing something really wrong, and frankly, given
Speaker 1: your your dinner proclivities and what you will allow, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I even want to share.
Speaker 2: A meal with you. But other than that, you're fascinating.
Speaker 2: If you look. He's got a couple of books out.
Speaker 2: Check out his books. Congratulations and by the way, you're
Speaker 2: going to need good luck with the five year old,
Speaker 2: so we should do an episode, Laurie if this goes
Speaker 2: years right down, five six, eight, like three four years
Speaker 2: from now, let's check in with Mongo and the episode
Speaker 2: is called give Teaching your Kid Fire See how see
Speaker 2: how that went? Well? We used to live in Bristol. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: real pleasure and you're you're you're fascinating and bear girls
Speaker 2: owes you a lot. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4: On the back of him as well, so.
Speaker 1: That means something very different here in the States, but
Speaker 1: we understand that just.
Speaker 2: That was amazing, and I want to find out about
Speaker 2: really your biggest risk. Oh do you when we Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear Google time though, checks in at
Speaker 2: this point in every episode to tell us what we
Speaker 2: got right, well we got wrong? What we need some
Speaker 2: clarity on, Yes, mister Google home.
Speaker 7: Do you notice the motorcycle helmet next to next to
Speaker 7: mangahorcycle helmet?
Speaker 1: And I was happily. I was actually very happy. He
Speaker 1: wears a helmet. He wears I think that was that
Speaker 1: was very response.
Speaker 2: Did you notice it's like on CNM when your scholar
Speaker 2: they have all the books and stuff he had the helmet,
Speaker 2: had another death defying thing. He had some boots do you.
Speaker 1: Only wear for I think that helmet is that because
Speaker 1: this five year old is a life threatening factor in
Speaker 1: his home. Well, we're to get that. I did want
Speaker 1: to start with something that we sort of led with.
Speaker 7: Jason was saying that the West Coast drivers, especially the
Speaker 7: LA drivers, are particularly bad at driving in wet weather.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 7: Well, according to l A magazine, they spoke to Paul Pisano,
Speaker 7: who manages road weather programs for the Federal Highway Administration,
Speaker 7: and he's studied the topic and he said that LA
Speaker 7: drivers are are not unique in their.
Speaker 1: Inability to handle wet road.
Speaker 7: They're about average as far as poor weather conditions across
Speaker 7: the country.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is a self described expert, what does he know? Where's he?
Speaker 1: Where's he getting? Federal Administment? Government place?
Speaker 2: You don't get because we do eight episodes, we do
Speaker 2: go gohim. Any expert that you quote that disagrees with
Speaker 2: already the most amazing expert experience expert.
Speaker 1: I don't need a federal program getting the car with
Speaker 1: me when it's raining. I will show you.
Speaker 2: Don't get into crawls this is this is what expert says.
Speaker 1: Who you are doing that for comedy purposes? I am
Speaker 1: an excellent driver. To quote Dustin Hoffman and Ray Man,
Speaker 1: I am an excellent driver for God's sake.
Speaker 2: If you need to be there fast. Federal Express would
Speaker 2: be if it has to be there next morning or
Speaker 2: noon or maybe dinner time. We hear show.
Speaker 1: Okay, very good, you happy, little never happy? You made
Speaker 1: you a little never happy. You threw me under the bus.
Speaker 1: Apparently the slow moving bus is that you're happy?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 7: What else, mister Goglan, hopefully Mungo watches this episode when
Speaker 7: it comes out, because children playing with fires at more
Speaker 7: than twenty thousand fires every year in the United States.
Speaker 7: That's an average of almost four hundred fires each week.
Speaker 2: And by the way, did you notice you notice something
Speaker 2: that I did?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. I wanted to move on there.
Speaker 2: So this show could go seven hours because he's kind
Speaker 2: of listening your miss trick. Yeah, he talked to five
Speaker 2: year old Matches, Yeah, not to seven yeah right, yeah right.
Speaker 1: The show almost veered into a parenting episode right off.
Speaker 2: But if he didn't teach the seven year old because
Speaker 2: you thought he couldn't handle it. I'm sure the five
Speaker 2: Yarl's going to show the different children have different you know,
Speaker 2: it's a different thing. Was going to throw themself off
Speaker 2: the banisher tethered himself to the banish.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, by the belt, by the neck,
Speaker 1: what different than you and me?
Speaker 2: We're teaching him, not you, and you'd be screaming your kid.
Speaker 2: He's going you shouldn't do it, but could not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly anything else, mister Google line.
Speaker 7: The final one is that we were starting talking about
Speaker 7: how many people have perhaps perished in the production of
Speaker 7: reality programs. There are right, oh thanks, different reality shows
Speaker 7: that have unfortunately claimed people's lives.
Speaker 1: Oh my.
Speaker 7: The most famous is the crocodile hunter Steve Irwin, who
Speaker 7: was killed by a sting.
Speaker 1: Ray when he was shooting a show on the Great
Speaker 1: Bery Roof.
Speaker 7: Discovery Channel had some issues MTV's Buck Wilde. Unfortunately, there
Speaker 7: was a carbon monoxide poisoning issue with an suv.
Speaker 1: Stuck in the mud.
Speaker 7: There were some helicopter issues, some swimming issues, heart attacks,
Speaker 7: and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: You know what you may have not known in prepping
Speaker 2: for this episode. I'm looking up Cameron to find like
Speaker 2: guys who are in jeopardy and the kai who was
Speaker 2: with Steve Irwin when that happened. That ray was six
Speaker 2: feet wide, so you can imagine size. And I didn't
Speaker 2: know this. It jabbed him repeatedly and got his heart
Speaker 2: on one of them, and the thing is huge. But
Speaker 2: I didn't realize the guys there while he's being jabbed
Speaker 2: and they pulled Steve Irwin in the boat and they're saying,
Speaker 2: you'll be okay, You'll be okay. I didn't know the
Speaker 2: thing kept going at him that it was won after
Speaker 2: they had like six times it stabbed him. It's huge,
Speaker 2: and the camera, what's the cameraman going to do?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: You talk about That's what he's talking about, is that
Speaker 1: it's like being in a war zone.
Speaker 2: It why don't go in the water, That's why don't
Speaker 2: go swimming.
Speaker 1: So you're not a risk taker? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: So my biggest you want to know my biggest risk.
Speaker 1: This is the truth.
Speaker 2: So my biggest risk was I got called to come
Speaker 2: out here the Lady do Ringer from Philly and it
Speaker 2: was a big deal because I was working on my
Speaker 2: own lad agency in Philadelphia and my father had just died.
Speaker 2: My mom was really sick. My marriage was breaking up,
Speaker 2: so I had a lot of stuff going on. I
Speaker 2: moved out here and I did okay. My family ended
Speaker 2: up moving back to Phillip, which was really tough because
Speaker 2: I'm by coast and I got to go back and forth.
Speaker 2: And after they moved, I'm sitting in this big rented house.
Speaker 2: Everything's gone because I gave everything to the family, and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a mattress with a TV with an
Speaker 2: antenna and it made out of a hangar. And I
Speaker 2: ordered dinner chicken parmagan and it comes and there's no silverware.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting on a mattress, divorced with my dead
Speaker 2: dad in the new world. I don't know anybody out
Speaker 2: here eating chicken parmesan with scissors and crying and laughing
Speaker 2: because it's efficient. You can cut it, but you can
Speaker 2: use them as chopstick, and thinking, oh lord, if this
Speaker 2: is not the bottom, I don't know that I can
Speaker 2: go much further. But the risk of coming out of
Speaker 2: changing your world, up, up rooting your life, I think
Speaker 2: was my biggest risk. And being a no guy who
Speaker 2: says no automatically to stuff. It's amazing that I that
Speaker 2: I did that because I didn't realize how significant that
Speaker 2: was going to be. But I would have never met
Speaker 2: you and never had the opportunity to do things.
Speaker 1: I'm very moved by your story, and I'm very impressed
Speaker 1: by your story.
Speaker 2: But the notion of that's your right way producer large laughing.
Speaker 2: You know her big biggest risk this you're saying yes
Speaker 2: to my phone call? That was right? That is that
Speaker 2: pretty pretty large scale of one to ten. Do you
Speaker 2: ever writ do you have a risk? You never took
Speaker 2: a risk?
Speaker 1: Sure, that's risk. And you have to sign a waiver
Speaker 1: anything where you have to sign a way, So your
Speaker 1: biggest risk anything? No, it's not. But I don't like
Speaker 1: anything where I have to sign a waiver. I already
Speaker 1: go wait a minute, wait a minute. Have you tried this?
Speaker 1: Did you do it successfully? Are you advocating I do
Speaker 1: something you didn't do? So if you got through it,
Speaker 1: I should get through it, and you should guarantee that
Speaker 1: on paper.
Speaker 2: Really No, really, that's exactly you are the big risk kidnapped.
Speaker 1: She is going to afford you.
Speaker 2: She hates that thing.
Speaker 1: No, but here's why I don't think yours was a
Speaker 1: risk because this is what if you had stayed. What
Speaker 1: if you had stayed and filled Theadelphia. That's a bigger risk.
Speaker 1: You want to hear a risk.
Speaker 2: I took a risk. Here's the risk, drum rollo.
Speaker 1: Now, First of all, you know that I have a
Speaker 1: terrible fear of heights, and I really am risk averse.
Speaker 1: But I've done hang gliding, up done parasailing, I've done helicoptering,
Speaker 1: I've done all that kind of stuff. But here's the
Speaker 1: biggest risk I ever took, seriously, and I'm very serious
Speaker 1: about this. I was working for an organization in the
Speaker 1: Middle East that was trying to work on a peace
Speaker 1: initiative between Israelis and Palestinians. It had a Palestinian board,
Speaker 1: it had an Israeli board. I had gone several times
Speaker 1: and all of our meetings had been on the Israeli side.
Speaker 1: Palestinian members had joined us in Israel, but it had
Speaker 1: always been on the Israeli side. And they said we
Speaker 1: would appreciate it if mister Alexander would come into the
Speaker 1: Palestinian territories. And MIA immediate response was, uh huh, I'm
Speaker 1: an American Jew. How much risk am I actually taking?
Speaker 1: And I really did think that it could be a
Speaker 1: risky situation. Many things happened, it was extraordinary. But one
Speaker 1: of them was that my Palestinian host said, please understand,
Speaker 1: in our faith, one of the greatest sins is if
Speaker 1: a host allows harm to come to an invited guest,
Speaker 1: we will literally take bullets for you if it came
Speaker 1: down to that. And I went into several Palestinian cities.
Speaker 1: In Ramaala, I was having lunch with a bunch of
Speaker 1: Palestinian artists, actors and artists, and there was a raid
Speaker 1: going on three blocks away and we could hear gunshots.
Speaker 1: And the minute those gunshots happened, those gentlemen surrounded me.
Speaker 1: They were not kidding. They would take a bullet to
Speaker 1: make sure that I was protected. But there was a
Speaker 1: moment where two gentlemen were talking about a youth center
Speaker 1: that they had built, and they were very excited about it,
Speaker 1: and they said, would you like to see it? I
Speaker 1: said I would, and they said, it's just it's outside
Speaker 1: the door, would you come and go? I don't tell anybody,
Speaker 1: I don't tell my handlers. I get up with these
Speaker 1: two gentlemen I've been having a lovely lunch with and
Speaker 1: I go out the door, and down an alley and
Speaker 1: down a flight of stairs and half a block and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm an idiot, I'm a deangerous that said goodbye.
Speaker 1: I'm a news story right now.
Speaker 2: And what happened.
Speaker 1: We saw the youth center. It was very nice.
Speaker 2: They walked me back. I had a lovely and I
Speaker 2: got to ask you this before we wrap. Wherever you
Speaker 2: go to the world, did they know George stand Yes,
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: That was the biggest thing in the world. So we
Speaker 1: pulled into Ramala. I am keeping my head down thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I make no assumptions here. And
Speaker 1: I got out and there were street vendors and some
Speaker 1: street vendor you know, on the street goes George George,
Speaker 1: and people come running over and they wanted photos and
Speaker 1: just like anywhere, and I my assumption was a that
Speaker 1: they wouldn't get the program there literally figure they literally
Speaker 1: not get it, but also not understanding they would.
Speaker 2: And they in the Middle East anywhere they're going, here's
Speaker 2: Cramer's entrance. And by the way, have you ever watched it?
Speaker 2: Seinfeld is such a nuanced Yeah, right, when they have
Speaker 2: a voice actor in another country.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this guy? Do they get to
Speaker 1: George's right, I've seen I've seen myself done by a Japanese.
Speaker 1: Even though you don't know the language, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of so Japanese. I assume I don't speak any Japanese.
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot more syllables in any
Speaker 1: given word.
Speaker 2: So that guy's gotta go fast.
Speaker 1: I'm going serenity now and he's going, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got to get a lot into my two little lip flaps. Wow.
Speaker 1: So it is, by its very nature much more aggressive
Speaker 1: the car.
Speaker 2: I just wonder if for Tea because it's so hard
Speaker 2: to do comedy and nuanced.
Speaker 1: He's funny. I can only tell you there was a sign.
Speaker 2: Where where you you had sex with the maid, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the cleaning lady, and you're sitting acrossing the guy. That
Speaker 2: scene I want to see played out in a foreign country, right,
Speaker 2: with a long pause, and you're going your line was
Speaker 2: was that wrong? Was that all right? And you have
Speaker 2: to wait for it? Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's our risk, that's our show.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Will you? Are you inclined to take more of a
Speaker 1: risk now that you've met Monga.
Speaker 2: Like he said, as you get older, Yeah, lunch a
Speaker 2: lunch choice is a risk. Yeah right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, be a bad claim. Line down, sitting down
Speaker 2: fast right is a risk? Getting up, getting out, helping
Speaker 2: your car door and looking around?
Speaker 1: Is it rit You bet?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Trying a different hair, start
Speaker 2: trying something different with the hair.
Speaker 1: Now really, really, now real. You want to thank Mungo
Speaker 1: Paul Mujeen for being with us today Fascinating life. He's
Speaker 1: written a bunch of books, Mungo the Cameraman, Adventure Celebrity
Speaker 1: and Extreme Travel as Seen from Behind the Lens and
Speaker 1: also Mungo Living the Dream More Extreme Adventures of a
Speaker 1: TV Cameraman, and you can find out more about him
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Speaker 1: it is Peter. Be safe, God bless