Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
Speaker 1: welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am
Speaker 1: your host, Ramsey's job.
Speaker 2: He is Jay. He speaks so eloquently, don't you agree?
Speaker 2: Do you hear the velvet? And Okay, I'm sorry sometimes
Speaker 2: I get a little carried away, but his tone is
Speaker 2: just so anyway, he's rams' Jah. I am q Ward
Speaker 2: And you are tuned in to sit excitfl Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: We're gonna have some fun today. Stick around because we
Speaker 2: had a lot to talk about. Per usual, we are.
Speaker 1: Going to be spending some time talking about a Brooklyn
Speaker 1: neighborhood that policed itself.
Speaker 2: Is Brooklyn in the house without a doubt? Okay.
Speaker 1: We talk a lot on this show about the defund
Speaker 1: the police movement. We've renamed it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but effectually, what we've described it as a reallocation of
Speaker 1: police resources and a rethinking of what policing means. And
Speaker 1: so now we have a little bit more data and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it. Some has been positive,
Speaker 1: some has been challenging. But today we have a positive
Speaker 1: case and we'd love to share the details of that
Speaker 1: with you. Also, just in time for Father's Day, we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about black fatherhood, specifically the myths
Speaker 1: surrounding absent black fathers in this country, which a.
Speaker 2: Heck of a story to tell and then perpetuated, isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know you may have grown up thinking, well,
Speaker 1: black people just need to stay in the homes and
Speaker 1: raise their kids. Well was It turns out black people
Speaker 1: are better at doing that than everybody else, black men specifically,
Speaker 1: and the data supports that. In short, you can check
Speaker 1: that out via the CDC or just a quick Google
Speaker 1: search and you just find out that black fathers are
Speaker 1: doing better than everyone else. But we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about it, of course, in more detail on the show,
Speaker 1: and of course many many other things that you'd like
Speaker 1: to hear about, including the largest deportation in US history,
Speaker 1: which affected our Mexican American brothers and sisters. So stay
Speaker 1: tuned for that. But first and foremost, like we always
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Speaker 1: Listen and if you want to debate me, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I stay ready for that one. But Tupac Shakur has
Speaker 1: finally been honored with a star in Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Speaker 1: On June seventh, he was posthumously. He posthumously joined the
Speaker 1: increasing list of rappers turned actors who've been enshrine on
Speaker 1: the world famous Hollywood Walk of Fame. Seems like it
Speaker 1: would have already happened by now.
Speaker 2: But no, I would have thought it was overdue, except
Speaker 2: I assumed did it already happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Same anyway.
Speaker 1: This ceremony was led by Los Angeles radio legend and
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Speaker 1: accepted the word.
Speaker 2: On his behalf.
Speaker 1: It was the two thousand, seven hundred and fifty eight
Speaker 1: star and there were speeches from Jamal Joseph and he
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Speaker 1: Tupac Shakur. And let's see his newly minted star on
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walk of Fame is located.
Speaker 2: Just a quick correction, Alan Hughes directed that Oh Dog
Speaker 2: okay as a writer and activist who was also president
Speaker 2: and Spring Tupac's brother. Thank you for that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: misread that, okay.
Speaker 1: And if you want to check out the star, it's
Speaker 1: located at sixty two twelve Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood, California.
Speaker 1: And now he joins other hip hop notables such as
Speaker 1: DJ Khaled, Missy Elliott, and the late Nipsey Hustle. And
Speaker 1: of course he's got lots of musical work, but film
Speaker 1: work as well.
Speaker 2: The star as well deserved.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Tupac that is have any excellence
Speaker 1: if I ever seen it.
Speaker 2: So that made me very happy indeed.
Speaker 1: All right, So defunding the police, ma'am a great idea
Speaker 1: that was challenged, which I'm not mad at. Great ideas
Speaker 1: need to be challenged, right.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: I think we both both Q and I here on
Speaker 1: the show, we both have had wished that it had
Speaker 1: been marketed better. I just wish they'd had a think tank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, spitball some ideas on
Speaker 2: how should we phrase this, because of course you can't
Speaker 2: explain everything in a catchphrase. But defund the police sounded
Speaker 2: so it's alarming. Yeah, it triggered an almost negative response,
Speaker 2: even in people that supported the idea, like we've had
Speaker 2: rams and I have had opportunities to have that conversation
Speaker 2: in long form, and at the end of that conversation
Speaker 2: looked at people who were like, oh, yeah, that makes
Speaker 2: all the sense in the world. Even those people heard
Speaker 2: defund the policemen were like, oh right, if we want
Speaker 2: to defund, we don't want to not have policing.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that I want to say,
Speaker 1: I feel like the people who may have come up
Speaker 1: with this idea, maybe they were being intentional about having
Speaker 1: something so alarming, because for better or worse, it got
Speaker 1: everybody talking, Okay, for better or worse that that that's true,
Speaker 1: But remember at that time, we needed to have conversations.
Speaker 2: The police were killing people that think I think the
Speaker 2: focus group would have helped us to not have It's
Speaker 2: such a negative immediate response, even though it started conversations.
Speaker 2: Both in a lot of cases, both sides of the
Speaker 2: argument were coming to the table feeling the same. That's
Speaker 2: not what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not the type of conversation. But the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is that having it takes center stage
Speaker 1: meant that at least some people started to conceptualize what
Speaker 1: it means to rethink policing. Some people, I'll say it again,
Speaker 1: some people started to conceptualize what it means to rethink policing.
Speaker 2: Operation rethink policing probably would have been a better sure, sure.
Speaker 1: Sure, but maybe it might not have had the same
Speaker 1: gripping effect on the populace. Now this is this is me,
Speaker 1: This is me maybe making excuses or maybe trying to
Speaker 1: you know, imagine what the folks who came out with
Speaker 1: this idea might have been trying to do. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to profess us to know. But the
Speaker 1: fact is that this idea rose up in late twenty
Speaker 1: twenty about defunding the police.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: That led to a rethinking of what policing means, what
Speaker 1: policing should encompass. Remember, police were responding to things that
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have anything to do with public safety. Still, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were responding to bonafide medical health related emergencies
Speaker 1: with weapons. Draw You see what I'm saying, And you
Speaker 1: said this before on the show to the man with
Speaker 1: the hammer. Everything is a nail? Is there some sort
Speaker 1: of like saying or anecdote or something like that, some
Speaker 1: sort of I forget the name of it, but I
Speaker 1: think it encompasses kind of the feeling when it comes
Speaker 1: to at least enough police to where we can identify
Speaker 1: there's a problem. Sure, not every police officer is bang bang,
Speaker 1: shoot them up, let me get my gun first. I
Speaker 1: recognize and see that immediately. But there is a problem.
Speaker 1: And the people that turn the blind eye to this
Speaker 1: problem are the people often enough where the problem doesn't
Speaker 1: affect them in their communities.
Speaker 2: It doesn't show up at their doorsteps, so it's not happened, right,
Speaker 2: or it's not important.
Speaker 1: So let's say if even if we just take a
Speaker 1: small number, one percent of the police is they're out
Speaker 1: of pocket, out of line, and ninety nine percent are good.
Speaker 2: Sence a high number.
Speaker 1: But listen, let's just hit me out because it's simple
Speaker 1: for the listeners to follow. One percent of the police
Speaker 1: are bad, they're pulling out guns, they're mistreating people, police brutality,
Speaker 1: not playing by the rules doing a legal activity, you
Speaker 1: name it, right if because the consequences are so dire
Speaker 1: for police mistakes, and indeed police end up making up
Speaker 1: for it and taxpayers. Because of qualified immunity, police are
Speaker 1: never held accountable for mistakes they make or indeed egregious
Speaker 1: overstepping of their their boundaries. But let me say this,
Speaker 1: because the consequences are so dire, because oftentimes they're life
Speaker 1: and death, because they're recorded, because we have to witness it,
Speaker 1: and because it doesn't affect certain communities, they're able to
Speaker 1: turn the blind eye to it. Now, let's swap it out.
Speaker 1: Let's say one percent of pilots are bad apples. Okay,
Speaker 1: phrase that. We've heard you sure a lot of your story. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, it's everybody's problem. And you
Speaker 1: get this with the with the FAA, I believe it
Speaker 1: is right, the Federal Aviation Administration.
Speaker 2: I want to say, there's.
Speaker 1: No such thing as one percent. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: as bad pilots, period. You can that is not a job.
Speaker 2: Where you're not a pilot anymore. Once' that's it, that
Speaker 2: you're a bad one. Then okay, that's it. Right, Do
Speaker 2: this commercially.
Speaker 1: More exactly when it comes to like doctors, and you
Speaker 1: can lose your medical license, you can be disbarred if
Speaker 1: you're a bad lawyer, all of these things. There's all
Speaker 1: this sort of oversight. But you know, for police, and
Speaker 1: we've given them carte blanche to write their own rules
Speaker 1: to insulate themselves from the consequences of their actions. And
Speaker 1: oftentimes it's black people, black and brown communities and poor
Speaker 1: communities that end up bearing the brunt of police violence.
Speaker 1: And we end up incarcerated or getting involved in the
Speaker 1: car sool system in this country because of bad actors
Speaker 1: or because of a litany of other circumstances, and that
Speaker 1: shapes outcomes not just for individuals, but for communities. Let's
Speaker 1: add one more thing. I know I'm on my soapbox here,
Speaker 1: but follow me. I'm going to add one more thing here.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes the recruitment tactics for police are in such a
Speaker 1: way that they attract peopeople who have a predisposition toward violence.
Speaker 1: If your police recruitment and video shows everybody in a
Speaker 1: tank riding through a war zone, jumping out and shooting,
Speaker 1: you know, in the practice fields, or are hashtag stop
Speaker 1: cop city folks jumping out shooting guns.
Speaker 2: It's too late. I think they are already.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's never too late.
Speaker 2: They already moved forward.
Speaker 1: No, it's never too late. I had a conversation with you,
Speaker 1: Naja how lone Wolf recently on the Bion Daily podcast,
Speaker 1: and there's still some some movement there.
Speaker 2: So keep the faith everywhere, encouraging story, keep the faith everyone.
Speaker 1: But you know, if they're playing this like death metal
Speaker 1: music in the background and they have like the Punisher logo,
Speaker 1: you know that you might be attracting a violent sort
Speaker 1: of person to engage in this. Add to that the
Speaker 1: systemic and historical composition of police, which is overwhelmingly white
Speaker 1: and overwhelmingly male, and it doesn't it's not an accurate
Speaker 1: reflection of the population, and so you end up with
Speaker 1: this toxic mix of folks who are deciding what policing is.
Speaker 1: But because that's what we're used to, because this is
Speaker 1: what we've seen, then we find it hard to challenge that.
Speaker 1: So the one percent of police is too high a number,
Speaker 1: and I believe that that's even to you seem like
Speaker 1: you might have had some data on that.
Speaker 2: It's close to ten thousand officers would be one percent.
Speaker 2: You talking about ten thousand potential murderers, drug traffickers in
Speaker 2: this bad actors. Let's make it a little bit more generally,
Speaker 2: a little bit more palatable. But that's ten thousand though,
Speaker 2: that's not a couple hundred. That's not a couple right,
Speaker 2: because one bad pilot would be too many. Ten thousand
Speaker 2: possible bad actors should be way too many.
Speaker 1: Right, And again this is a thought experiment. I suspect
Speaker 1: that there are more than one percent. You can just
Speaker 1: look at the domestic violence that is reported for police officers.
Speaker 1: That's reported, right. It's common knowledge that police officers are
Speaker 1: own to domestic violence. Again, these recruitment tactics tend to
Speaker 1: recruit people with a predisposition toward violence. They want to
Speaker 1: beat them up, they want to shoot them up, they
Speaker 1: want to do this sort of stuff. So I say
Speaker 1: all that to say, rethinking policing was the order of
Speaker 1: the day. It still is very much so. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that came from that rethink was this
Speaker 1: idea of community policing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: In other words, we don't need to invest billions of
Speaker 1: dollars into policing. We can invest into programs that actually
Speaker 1: have a direct and proven impact on crime rates things
Speaker 1: like daycare. Access to daycare has a direct effect on
Speaker 1: crime rate. It has proven, it is well documented. Buying
Speaker 1: another tank, hiring more officers and giving them more badges
Speaker 1: and guns, better training. It been better training since the fifties.
Speaker 1: These things do not work. They do not cause crime
Speaker 1: rates to go down. Eight cares do. How about that? Right?
Speaker 1: So you start to begin understand how a rethink access
Speaker 1: to daycare, access to day sure, access to jobs keep going,
Speaker 1: access to land, access to capital, their housing, food, housing, medicine.
Speaker 2: Ye, all the above, all of those healthcare. Listen, increase
Speaker 2: the likelihood that your neighborhood safer, not one hundred more
Speaker 2: cops patrolling your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: How about this, I will for those listening, think of
Speaker 1: the safest neighborhood you know, the safest neighborhood you've ever
Speaker 1: been in. Just think of imagine it the platonic ideal
Speaker 1: in your mind's eye. Is there a police officer on
Speaker 1: every corner keeping it safe.
Speaker 2: You might not picture a police squad car out.
Speaker 1: So what makes that neighborhood, say, the fact that nobody
Speaker 1: needs anything? What is the point of crime? Now, granted
Speaker 1: there's going to be greedy people, no matter what. That's
Speaker 1: part of the human race. We all have either had
Speaker 1: greedy moments or sometimes there's people who are just greedy
Speaker 1: they want more than their fair share. We have people
Speaker 1: who are they're violent people of the violence rights.
Speaker 2: There are officers that are bad based actors or bad acts.
Speaker 1: That's a human condition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, human beings in general. There are some of us
Speaker 2: who do not have good intentions for other human beings sadly.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but that neighborhood, critically, that neighborhood that you
Speaker 1: imagine wasn't safe because there's police everywhere. So the idea
Speaker 1: that increasing police presence and putting them in bad neighborhoods
Speaker 1: is going to somehow affect crime shows that you know
Speaker 1: full well listening to us, you know full well that
Speaker 1: that is not an effective strategy. And you could start
Speaker 1: with again the programs that you mentioned with healthcare, with
Speaker 1: job opportunities, with access to todaycare, with access to fare, housing,
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera, on and on, and once you
Speaker 1: start asking, well, who's going to pay for these things, well,
Speaker 1: I know a group that is actively harming this community,
Speaker 1: that has way more money than they know what to
Speaker 1: do with and you're thinking about it wrong. You're thinking
Speaker 1: about public safety wrong. We can take the money from
Speaker 1: these police, put it in a program to where we
Speaker 1: don't need the police, and then have people do jobs
Speaker 1: where they don't have to carry a murder weapon. I
Speaker 1: got to imagine that at some point an officer has
Speaker 1: to come to term with the fact that I'm carrying
Speaker 1: a weapon only function is to end the life. This
Speaker 1: is not I hope I never have to end the life.
Speaker 1: I I if I lived one hundred years and never
Speaker 1: had to end the life, that'll be better.
Speaker 2: So here's the problem. I think the normal control officer, yeah,
Speaker 2: the normal control No. No, I mean the normal human
Speaker 2: thought would be that, right. It's the same with our military.
Speaker 2: We are kind of sensitized to the idea that we
Speaker 2: ship and fly over to other countries and murder people
Speaker 2: because in whatever the given circumstance, they're the bad guy.
Speaker 2: It's okay to murder the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Our country has done a very good job of giving
Speaker 2: our police officers a bad guy, so they are not thinking,
Speaker 2: I hope I don't have to know there's a bad
Speaker 2: guy that I need to do this too to protect
Speaker 2: and serve.
Speaker 1: Well, how about this. How about this, So once they've
Speaker 1: become super duper indoctrinated and they're police first and not
Speaker 1: people first, right, because we've had that conversation on the show.
Speaker 1: That may be true. But what I'm talking about is
Speaker 1: human beings who happen to have that occupation and have
Speaker 1: not let's say, maybe they have not crossed over fully
Speaker 1: into like I'm a cop even when I'm people.
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even mean in extreme cases though, right,
Speaker 2: like you said, the type of person that's that's that
Speaker 2: gravitates to that job even with the purest intentions of
Speaker 2: serving and protecting. That idea has to be from something
Speaker 2: protecting us from someone.
Speaker 1: So how about this I have and this is this
Speaker 1: is perhaps my mistake. I have a global view now
Speaker 1: of police, as do you. You. I've been to I
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell you how many countries around this planet
Speaker 1: of ours, and I have been to all of fifty
Speaker 1: of the states US states. So I've seen how that looks,
Speaker 1: you know, in the same tactics and are sitting on
Speaker 1: the highway of clocking and.
Speaker 2: All this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, But elsewhere in the world, recruitment tactics are very different.
Speaker 1: You know, gun. The gun part of the job is very,
Speaker 1: very very very secondary. The primary part of the job
Speaker 1: is helping people, being a presence, and you know you're
Speaker 1: on the way to you know, to the personnapping. If
Speaker 1: you realize that there's a person, a woman crossing the
Speaker 1: street and she needs help because she's in danger, you
Speaker 1: might stop and help the women cross the street before
Speaker 1: you continue after the personapper. You prioritize things versus over here.
Speaker 1: If the personapper, we need to execute this person apper,
Speaker 1: we need to, we need to take them down. We
Speaker 1: needn't and this is bringing safety and justice. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a different way of thinking about it, right.
Speaker 2: I mean you hear Americans talk about nationalism, we talk
Speaker 2: about it, and even the way we frame it, it's
Speaker 2: false even in that sense, right, And those other countries
Speaker 2: they see each other as countrymen. Yeah, okay, so citizen
Speaker 2: first countries sure have this idea of actually protecting and
Speaker 2: serving each other. We're all countrymen and women matter the
Speaker 2: color of your skin, right, their country women and women first,
Speaker 2: and then whatever needs to be. The specific description here
Speaker 2: is absolutely different. You're black first, it's called African American.
Speaker 2: You're black first. You're not countrymen first, you're not country
Speaker 2: women first. And in a lot of cases, being black
Speaker 2: means criminal, means bad, means enemy means the person that
Speaker 2: I'm protecting everyone else from. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Even the purest of us has grown up in this
Speaker 2: environment with the skin that looks just like Mineed, yours
Speaker 2: have grown up in this environment. Yeah, our country has
Speaker 2: made us the enemy before you, even before you even
Speaker 2: go through the recruiting, before you go to academy, before
Speaker 2: you learn what this job means. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and other countries where the ideas we want
Speaker 2: these outcomes to not result in death, similar to the
Speaker 2: way that other countries react to mass shootings. Okay, too
Speaker 2: many of our of our fellow countrymen and women and
Speaker 2: or children died on this day. This will never happen
Speaker 2: again if we can help it. Let's change it now
Speaker 2: everything we can to change it right now, right now.
Speaker 1: Well, because again I have that global view. I've seen
Speaker 1: how they how police move in Hong Kong, I've seen
Speaker 1: how police move in New Zealand. I've seen out you know,
Speaker 1: all different places around the world. One of the things
Speaker 1: that I come back to on the show quite frequently.
Speaker 1: Is that. I believe it's New Zealand where they have guns.
Speaker 1: The officers have guns, but they keep it in the
Speaker 1: trunk of their car. And it's not like they had
Speaker 1: to keep it in the trunk of the car because
Speaker 1: you know, they were out of pocket. And that's a
Speaker 1: new strategy, a new compromise. They keep it in the
Speaker 1: trunk of the car, same way you keep a jack
Speaker 1: and a spare tire. Like it's like, yeah, just in
Speaker 1: case you need it, Yeah, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not going to carry it with me.
Speaker 2: It's heavy.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna kill anybody kills what you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just crazy to think that way.
Speaker 1: But over here again because we fully bought in because
Speaker 1: of copaganda since Dragnet hit the TV shows and collaboration
Speaker 1: with the LAPD and they were able to design the
Speaker 1: episodes and the cop are always the good guys and
Speaker 1: the bad guys were always doing this blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and really Taylor made Taylor make a narrative for the
Speaker 1: viewing public that has us seeing police as the super
Speaker 1: duper ultimate heroes and they're like almost these superhuman creatures
Speaker 1: that never make mistakes. I know that in the front
Speaker 1: of your mind you can conceive of people making mistakes
Speaker 1: as officers. But the fact is is that we've given
Speaker 1: them so much freedom that their mistakes we don't even
Speaker 1: question it as two free Yeah exactly, but you.
Speaker 2: Teased a positive, exactly case study for exactly so.
Speaker 1: Community policing, community policing. This comes from the New York Times.
Speaker 1: What happened when a Brooklyn neighborhood policed itself? Okay, this
Speaker 1: is one of the ideas that comes from defunding the police. Right,
Speaker 1: we can still have officers, but community policing is a
Speaker 1: way to rethink policing.
Speaker 2: So I'll read and a side note.
Speaker 1: Similar programs are underway in Oregon and Denver, Rochester, New York,
Speaker 1: and other places, according to the Center for American Progress,
Speaker 1: a left landing think tank, and the group estimated that
Speaker 1: almost forty percent of calls to police could be handled
Speaker 1: by community responders.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: In Brownsville, the effort not only gives residents more say
Speaker 1: over what public safety looks like, but it can deter
Speaker 1: crime if people know there are more eyes watching. This
Speaker 1: comes from Brooklyn District Attorney Er Gonzales. It's quoted as
Speaker 1: saying a lot of people worry that if police systems
Speaker 1: are not fully active, crime will go up, he said,
Speaker 1: But the Safety Alliance has been thriving amid a positive
Speaker 1: trend in the seventy third precinct becomes Alla said, in
Speaker 1: the first half of this year, homicides fell fifty percent,
Speaker 1: shootings fell twenty five percent, and the rate of grand
Speaker 1: larcenies of automobiles also fell, even as it rose in
Speaker 1: other neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: He said on sorry.
Speaker 1: One set of watching eyes belongs to Almon, who's a
Speaker 1: forty seven year old former gang member who spent more
Speaker 1: than thirteen years in prison for a bank robbery. Now
Speaker 1: he's now the good guy and he's held and provide
Speaker 1: safety in his own community, all right. He returned to
Speaker 1: Brownsville in twenty fourteen, has passed along with his calm,
Speaker 1: straightforward approach helps him navigate conflicts. During one Safety Alliance week,
Speaker 1: he persuaded a man going into a bodega with a
Speaker 1: gun to give him the weapon and go home. The
Speaker 1: next day, that same man returned, but this time to volunteer.
Speaker 1: He spent all days washing beefs and breaking up fights.
Speaker 1: So here's a case study in Brownsville, Home of the Brave.
Speaker 1: Shout out to MOP one time.
Speaker 2: A small sample size, however, you cannot argue with the results.
Speaker 2: Fifty percent decrease in shootings twenty five or in murders
Speaker 2: twenty five percent degrees in shootings. That's significant. So bear
Speaker 2: in mind that rethinking policing is something worth as a
Speaker 2: worthwhile endeavor. And then in freeing up the fiscal resources,
Speaker 2: you can invest in programs that actually do impact crime.
Speaker 2: There's just some food for thought. I