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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is yeah Tuesday

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Speaker 1: here in Jillette Stadium. We are back from Frankfurt, Germany. Overall,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a successful trip except for the game,

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Speaker 1: but otherwise I think the Patriots made their mark on Frankfurt.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was tremendous the trip itself. I was

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Speaker 5: a little curious, Matt, what was that Patriots Unfiltered? Oh

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Speaker 5: isn't there another?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, play that one.

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Speaker 5: That's the name of the show. I thought we need

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Speaker 5: But I thought it was I thought there was some

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Speaker 5: good time. I think that.

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Speaker 1: Matt, it's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's

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Speaker 1: Matt Nabooth, And yes, we have returned. The thing that

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Speaker 1: I hate the most about the trip was we let

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Speaker 1: the fans down, like the fans were out, and we

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Speaker 1: didn't well the organization like we we wanted to come

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Speaker 1: away with a win. So I know, it's not like

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Speaker 1: we're not going anywhere this year. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, but at least those fans from Germany and

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Speaker 1: around would have said, yeah, I came to the game

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Speaker 1: and I saw my team win, and we couldn't pull

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Speaker 1: it off the win, and that's my biggest regret of

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Speaker 1: the whole week. Otherwise, I think it was a successful trip,

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Speaker 1: but just not being able to pull that win off

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Speaker 1: for those fans that were there. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys saw it. You see the fan

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Speaker 1: march on Sunday morning. That was awesome with the marching

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Speaker 1: band and like a thousand people.

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Speaker 8: I mean it was great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was awesome, and so I I

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to thank all the fans of

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Speaker 1: Germany and the surrounding area and sorry we couldn't get

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Speaker 1: you the win.

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Speaker 9: That was it's not our fault, Fred, Okay.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't our fault, but I totally agree.

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Speaker 10: My favorite part was was that second that and Friday

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Speaker 10: night at Gibson's with all the Patriots on Filter fans

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Speaker 10: that came up to us and waited in line to

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Speaker 10: tell us how much they enjoyed the show.

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Speaker 9: And there was a line.

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Speaker 5: There was a line, and that was so cool. I

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Speaker 10: You know, people like, do you mind if I take

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Speaker 10: a self I'm like, of course, this is the highlight

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Speaker 10: of my trip. So that for me made it all

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Speaker 10: meeting all you guys out there, So thank you for

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Speaker 10: everyone that came out. And I was disappointing couldn't get win,

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Speaker 1: Even that was I think more people recognize me in

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, like David Hasselhoff.

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Speaker 7: Not me, but know I could see that you're bigger

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Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun. And that post the

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Speaker 5: Were like the Beatles and I try to tell Mike

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Speaker 5: and and that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 9: I was walking out of the stadium to get to

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Speaker 7: Love you so much, mad We listened to you all

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Speaker 9: They're like, can you sign this? I was like, you

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Speaker 5: I don't want to devalue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was That was great and I lost

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Speaker 1: Oh about Gibson in that show. We had a lot

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Speaker 10: That face was like that's not what everybody upstairs told

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Speaker 10: me today. They said that that show sounded like and

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Speaker 10: you know, it's it's too bad people missed it because

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Speaker 7: So sorry, guys, We'll tell what we.

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Speaker 5: Do just so you know, Mike was the king of

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to you have to listen live.

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Speaker 10: I try to warn people when I put the tweet out,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, but great experience for all of us.

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Speaker 1: The game itself, the fans singing, you know, they no

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Speaker 1: a good time. You know, it didn't really I know,

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Speaker 1: to have a good time regardless, and they really did.

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Speaker 10: Even the media, like the international media came in and

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Speaker 10: it was loose. It was you know, Bill was good mood.

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Speaker 10: The players were all in good moods. Some fun questions,

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Speaker 10: you know, from around the world and people getting a

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Speaker 5: For the first time, seven lost his job.

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Speaker 1: Evan was a children lover. Yeah, quarterback Mack called out

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Speaker 5: Evan, you should have gone to throw your hands up

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Speaker 9: Just got up and probably I thought about it, but

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Speaker 1: How could you storm out?

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Speaker 5: After all we've been through.

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Speaker 10: It's funnier if he's like weaving his way through all

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Speaker 7: That takes way too Like what's.

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Speaker 7: Excuse me, excuse me, I'm very upset. Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, But you know, we have to talk about the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was ridiculous, And to me it was weird because

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Speaker 1: last night the Bills lost to the Broncos and this

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Speaker 1: morning they announced they fired their offensive coordinator. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: you know, and the Bills are like we can't stomach

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Speaker 1: this anymore. And they made it change right away. Some's

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Speaker 1: got to give. I mean two field goals, you know,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And I mean it kind of started out like positive,

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Speaker 10: Like that first drive. It was like they're kind of

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I can't believe that they lost to that team.

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Speaker 10: He had so many chances to do it, and usually

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Speaker 10: that's a Patriots game that they win almost every time,

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Speaker 10: even in these dark days.

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Speaker 5: Like win on the margins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they but down to the nine at the

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Speaker 1: it was. But I'm thinking, okay, they're gonna punch this in.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do it there, and then that throw and

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Speaker 1: I you know, it's an outdoor press box in Frankfurt,

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Speaker 1: and I just yelled out, oh Mac, you know, like

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Speaker 5: You really, Yeah, Well, the only one that heard it

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Speaker 9: I think everyone in our road did. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 9: I mean it was never do that open air press

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a little different because you're blending with

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it just felt like.

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Speaker 9: That's why I love him, because it's of him.

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Speaker 10: It just felt like that pick was the culmination of

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Speaker 10: given him good reason not to. But I think the

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Speaker 7: He has no ability to extend plays.

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Speaker 10: It's if pressure is there, he's turtling on it, and

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Speaker 1: And and it was a perfect example or comparison because

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Speaker 1: they're going up against Gardner Minshew, who he's not that

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Speaker 5: I think those two guys had a competition to see

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Speaker 1: But if Mac had made as many plays on the run,

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Speaker 5: In all serious, just for a split second. I think

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Speaker 5: they both had the same problem. They both continued to

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Speaker 5: platform that didn't need to be happening.

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Speaker 1: And I think it could be true. But he was

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Speaker 5: Who he missed way more than he made is the point.

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Speaker 5: And if he just sat there, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 5: Minshew now, just sat there and threw the ball, I

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Speaker 5: think there were plays to be made. I think he

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Speaker 5: had open guys. Well that's fine, but he also was

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Speaker 5: victimized by some drops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd rather miss the play than get sacked.

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Speaker 5: I thought, Mac and I'd be curious to see. I know,

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Speaker 5: you know, we're a couple of days. You move now.

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Speaker 5: So Evan's you know, all through his film study. Listen,

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Speaker 5: the pass protection wasn't great. I'm not trying to tell

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Speaker 5: you that this offensive line is is a great offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I just didn't think there was that much immediate pressure

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Speaker 5: wasn't there. He as Evan has been talking about for

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Speaker 5: months now, fading away, throwing off his back foot while

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Speaker 9: No, because I gave him as long as a leash

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Speaker 9: I said this to you, do so upstairs. This is

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Speaker 9: under duress, I don't care if you have nobody to

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Speaker 5: he had no chance, He had no chance. I didn't

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Speaker 5: see it that way. I didn't think the protection was good.

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Speaker 5: you see that guy's coming, make the throw, you know,

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Speaker 5: The no one's even looking for the ball. I'm like,

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Speaker 10: It's not everybody go out in the route, turn around right,

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Speaker 10: No to you, No to you.

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Speaker 7: Oh hey, you're still like you throw the ball.

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Speaker 5: When he's still running the route, Like, but you know

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Speaker 10: I mean Buckner on one, I think, I mean you

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Speaker 7: Little guard, you're trying to block me goodbye, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, and then you had so get get beat really cleanly, right,

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Speaker 5: Right, and I'm like, enough, yeah, I'm out changed. The

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's an offensive line guy too when he

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Speaker 10: Evan said, take a step up, take a step to.

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Speaker 10: God, I hate doing the Brady comparisons, but you know,

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Speaker 7: They have an innate sense of it. He has no

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Speaker 1: Run around, but it was, like you said, the subtle

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he did it out of frustration. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: There's absolutely no question that the pressure this the pressure

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Speaker 9: Like it was that bad. I mean, he was under

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Speaker 9: then I can't have You're you're no good to me,

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Speaker 9: like I don't. I don't care how good of a

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Speaker 9: then it's no good. But there were three plays in

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Speaker 9: I don't care which throw you decide to make, but

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Speaker 1: Throw it like, I don't understand how it doesn't reach

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Speaker 10: It didn't even have a ship, like he thought magic

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Speaker 1: Just like, man, you had to fire it because you

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Speaker 9: I honestly say this, and I don't mean to be

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Speaker 9: That Dad throw is as wide open. I don't care

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Speaker 9: what level of football you're playing. That is as wide

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Speaker 5: That's the kind of throw that you don't need, Like

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Speaker 9: if that linebacker comes up and jumps Pop Douglas and

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Speaker 9: he can throw the pass to Hunter Henry between the

442
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Speaker 9: two safeties. So he's holding the ball waiting for that

443
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Speaker 9: to develop, which I understand his process from that standpoint,

444
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Speaker 9: but he just froze like he just froze on the

445
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Speaker 9: read and Juju Smith Schuster is open for a touchdown

446
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Speaker 9: like all by himself on the right sideline, and then

447
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Speaker 9: Remandra is open in the flat just for the little checkdown.

448
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Speaker 9: Bill O'Brien, you know, we we haven't gotten to talk

449
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Speaker 9: to him yet. This week. Sometimes during the bye week,

450
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Speaker 9: we don't.

451
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Speaker 1: You may not want to talk on the sideline.

452
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Speaker 5: I love that, and not because I'm Mac. I just

453
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Speaker 5: think that's Billy Oh. That's how he coaches. Yeah, I

454
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Speaker 5: don't know. I don't like to guess at to what

455
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Speaker 5: he was reacting to, So I guess it's what you're

456
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Speaker 5: talking about, Like, let's assume that's what he was yelling about.

457
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Speaker 9: Totally warranted. I mean, it's just it's there, like it's

458
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Speaker 9: it's it's there in multiple places, like you just have

459
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Speaker 9: to make a throw in that situation. You can't just stay.

460
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Speaker 5: I just thought, like the visual Fred, I don't know

461
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Speaker 5: if you did you actually catch the visual on.

462
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Speaker 1: No, we were actually it's the rare time where we

463
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Speaker 1: were sitting behind the Patriots bench, so we didn't have

464
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Speaker 1: a good look of what's going usually.

465
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Speaker 5: Working, you didn't see the market. Okay, so Billy O

466
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Speaker 5: and Mac are on the bench and Billy Oh's got

467
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Speaker 5: the surface. You know, he's like showing him and it's

468
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Speaker 5: really demonstrative. Anybody with a set of eyes knew what

469
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Speaker 5: was going on. Billy Oh. Yeah, Okay, Bill is right

470
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Speaker 5: in front. Bill saw that, and it's just kind of

471
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Speaker 5: like looking through the polar a.

472
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Speaker 1: Nothing's happening, you know, nothing to see.

473
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Speaker 5: Here, but you know we can hear it right and

474
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Speaker 5: get you know, not surprisingly you know too, you know

475
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Speaker 5: two series later they made the move. Now, I I

476
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Speaker 5: don't know how you guys feel about the timing of

477
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Speaker 5: the move. I'm with Evan one thousand percent. The move

478
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Speaker 5: had to make, had to be made. I just think

479
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Speaker 5: that he went they waited too long, like once you

480
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Speaker 5: get you know, a minute fifty two on your own

481
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Speaker 5: fourteen yard line with no timeouts. Yeah, hey hey kid,

482
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Speaker 5: call win me again.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I I hear that too late then. But

484
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Speaker 1: you know, people on our row were saying, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: they got to put in Zappie, and I was thinking, like,

486
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Speaker 1: it's not going to get any better with Zappi.

487
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's probably what we're gonna be talking about

488
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 5: the rest of the season too. I gotta be honest

489
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Speaker 5: with you. He made two throws that I didn't see

490
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Speaker 5: from Mac all day, and then he made another. Listen,

491
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Speaker 5: you gotta try to try. You're running a play. Was

492
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Speaker 5: dumb play, dumb play by Zappi to try like it

493
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Speaker 5: wasn't there. It didn't work. You try to fake spike. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 5: and what did I say? What did you do? Defensive

495
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Speaker 5: team meeting? You can't do that? Throw it away and live.

496
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Speaker 9: To fight, and you have to. You have to. After

497
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Speaker 9: that interception, you got to bench him. Like I tweeted

498
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Speaker 9: at the time, I was like, that is a bench

499
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Speaker 9: able turnover, like you you just can't. You can't the

500
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Speaker 9: rest surprise though, uh I was, I'm not because that

501
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Speaker 9: that to me, that interception and the body language that

502
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Speaker 9: Mac had on the field and then walking off the field,

503
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Speaker 9: to me, that was curtains on his Patriots career, like

504
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Speaker 9: like it's over. But I just I don't think he

505
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Speaker 9: plays another snapfell It certainly.

506
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Speaker 5: Will be if if Belichick stays like he's I don't

507
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Speaker 5: think he'll ever be Belichick. Yeah, I'm gonna do. I'll

508
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 5: do anism. He might start another game this year, He

509
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 5: might be the Patriots starting quarterback in the game. He

510
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Speaker 5: will never again be the Patriots starter.

511
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Speaker 1: If I hear you, you know, and hopefully you know,

512
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Speaker 1: the obituary on Mac will be written. You know at

513
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Speaker 1: some point the season no longer quarter from from the

514
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Speaker 1: first season. In my opinion, they mishandled him right from

515
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Speaker 1: the get go and I said it in year one.

516
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Speaker 1: I said, they're managing him too much. They're not letting

517
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Speaker 1: him make mistakes. You got to let this guy make

518
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Speaker 1: his mistakes, you know, and understand his limits and how

519
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Speaker 1: to do things. And I think they managed him too

520
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Speaker 1: much that first season, and he got a false sense

521
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Speaker 1: of security, you know, a false sense of security. And

522
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Speaker 1: then take and then by in year two, we all

523
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Speaker 1: know the disaster that was. But I think they mismanaged

524
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Speaker 1: him from year one. I go back, He's not Peyton Manning,

525
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Speaker 1: but I go back to Peyton Manning. His first year.

526
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Speaker 1: He had way more interceptions than he had touchdowns. He

527
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Speaker 1: looked terrible, but people knew he's gonna be fine. Just

528
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Speaker 1: let him. And he learned that first season how to

529
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Speaker 1: be an NFL quarterback. Mac didn't learn in his first

530
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Speaker 1: season how to be an NFL quarterback. He was managed

531
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Speaker 1: too closely.

532
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Speaker 10: Well, do you think, though, he would have had the

533
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Speaker 10: same success if he wasn't managed like that in twenty twenty.

534
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Speaker 1: All that other stuff is valid, the lack of help,

535
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: the lack of offensive line, you know, the Matt Patricia,

536
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Speaker 1: all that valid.

537
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Speaker 5: Mike is saying, do you think he would have been

538
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Speaker 5: any good if they didn't, I think, but at least

539
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Speaker 5: I think they coped something out of him.

540
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Speaker 1: But look how many people fans included were duped after

541
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Speaker 1: that first season. How many times do we get the

542
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Speaker 1: email of the Colt Well, we made the playoffs, but

543
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Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback down.

544
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Speaker 5: I know we know how to break that down.

545
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Speaker 10: I just I mean, I the feeling I have is

546
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Speaker 10: that I know they didn't do him a lot of

547
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Speaker 10: favors and they made it hard on him, But I

548
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Speaker 10: think we're ending up. We're always going to end up

549
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Speaker 10: at the same place that we're at right now that

550
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Speaker 10: he is maybe the guy that he's not. He doesn't

551
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Speaker 10: have the toughness and the you know, the ability under.

552
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Speaker 5: Pressure to do those things. I'm not saying you wrong, no,

553
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Speaker 5: but I think it's just an interesting take. It's a

554
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Speaker 5: little different.

555
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Speaker 1: I just think from from that first season he was mishandled.

556
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Speaker 1: You know, people people look at the second season, but

557
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the first And I said it during

558
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Speaker 1: the season, so this is in hindsight, like how they

559
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Speaker 1: weren't even allowing him to throw into the end zone

560
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Speaker 1: either that or he wasn't doing it on his own,

561
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Speaker 1: and that should have been a red flag right there.

562
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Speaker 5: But based on what we've seen since, maybe they shouldn't

563
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Speaker 5: have been allowing him to throw the ball into the

564
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Speaker 5: end zone. But I think that's Mike's point, I know.

565
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Speaker 1: But play calling and everything, I think they he was

566
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Speaker 1: highly managed to not make mistakes in his first year,

567
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Speaker 1: and he didn't.

568
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Speaker 10: I mean, I mean, you know, for the most part,

569
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Speaker 10: we can talk about down the end of that season.

570
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Speaker 7: I mean, I I mean, I see what you're saying.

571
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Speaker 10: I just I just wonder if we would even have

572
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Speaker 10: gotten past the first season if they hadn't had tight

573
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Speaker 10: reins on him, and it would have been like, oh

574
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Speaker 10: my god, Mac Jones. And you know, if he had

575
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Speaker 10: ten touchdowns and sixteen interceptions, you.

576
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Speaker 7: Know, would would what would where we be?

577
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Speaker 5: Because I think he gets to that offseason people would

578
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Speaker 5: be looking for the quarterback.

579
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Speaker 1: He I think he ended that first season thinking he

580
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Speaker 1: knew what it was like to be an NFL quarterback

581
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Speaker 1: and he didn't be it. To be the guy, you

582
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Speaker 1: have to take chances, you have to put the team

583
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Speaker 1: on your shoulders and get that eleventh points however you

584
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Speaker 1: do it. However you do it because the balls in

585
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Speaker 1: your hand on every play, you know whether it's calling

586
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Speaker 1: out the plays of the line and changing them because

587
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Speaker 1: what you see, you've got to figure out how to

588
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Speaker 1: score eleven points in that game. It's not like they

589
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Speaker 1: were playing a great defense.

590
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Speaker 9: Well, and my point is too, it's like I would

591
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Speaker 9: have had his back today if he had to win

592
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Speaker 9: a shootout on Sunday under those conditions, if he had

593
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Speaker 9: to score twenty seven points to beat the Colts on

594
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Speaker 9: Sunday with that protection and the receiver he's got Juju

595
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Speaker 9: Smith Schuster is clearly just washed, and he's got two

596
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Speaker 9: rookie six round picks playing wide receiver for him. And

597
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Speaker 9: if that was the case, with all that conditions, I

598
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Speaker 9: would have said, I mean, what do you expect him

599
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Speaker 9: to He's not going to score a lot of points

600
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Speaker 9: with this type of environment. But he needed eleven points

601
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Speaker 9: like they needed one touchdown dry for him. And he

602
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Speaker 9: had four trips into the red zone, right and they

603
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 9: went zero for four.

604
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Speaker 5: For four in the red zone. That's tough.

605
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it is what it is. We're at the

606
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Speaker 1: buy now. The Patriots are two and eight. I mean,

607
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: nine and eight is still in the conversation.

608
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Speaker 6: Right.

609
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Speaker 1: Kid.

610
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Speaker 5: I was going to text you that, but I knew,

611
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Speaker 5: like coming back from.

612
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Speaker 10: Now, we were already here and we were just living

613
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Speaker 10: living our best lives.

614
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Speaker 9: Well, it's funny because you know a lot of people

615
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Speaker 9: are tweeting last night after the Bills lost that the

616
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Speaker 9: AFC is is really it's like the Titans in the

617
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 9: Patriots are the only two teams that aren't really in

618
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Speaker 9: it in the AFC.

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Speaker 5: Everybody else is in it. I saw someone tweeted it's

620
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Speaker 5: turned into a blood bath, and it's true. I forget

621
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Speaker 5: who tweeted that, but that's true. Like the conferences is

622
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: really really deep. And it's funny because when we had

623
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Speaker 5: the whole DeAndre Hopkins you know debate, there was a

624
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: lot of talk like he went to Tennessee. Do you

625
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 5: go to Tennessee for like? And I was like, I

626
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 5: don't know. I think they're kind of the same as up.

627
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: Well they are. Yeah, they're the only two teams, as

628
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 5: Evan said, that are really.

629
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Speaker 1: And right now because the Broncos loss is the true

630
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: the Patriots have the third pick.

631
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so that was kind of where I was getting. Yeah, no,

632
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 9: they're they're at three and as much as you can

633
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 9: look at it and say wow, if they just were

634
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 9: able to win a couple of these games that they

635
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 9: should have won, they'd be in it. I'm kind of

636
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 9: glad they're not, because like what to what to what extent,

637
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 9: Like at this point, the only thing that matters is

638
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 9: Drake may or Caleb Williams. That's it. Like, it's the

639
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 9: only thing that matters. When they play the Giants after

640
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 9: things given, they should lose because that's going to be

641
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 9: a really important game when it comes to seating. Like

642
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 9: if you in terms of the tank, like if you

643
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 9: beat the Chiefs and have a really good field goal,

644
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 9: feel good game at the end of the year, I'm

645
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 9: not going to lose much sleepover because that's a fun win.

646
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 9: That's a cool win. It's like right, like the Buffalo game.

647
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 9: But these games against the Giants and stuff like that,

648
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 9: like start Maleie Cunningham, I don't care, Like Tank.

649
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen if last game it's the Jets and

650
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: it's Aaron Rodgers, Yeah.

651
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 7: Maybe, and maybe they need to get into the playoffs.

652
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Speaker 5: I just think that the Jets, I don't. I don't

653
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: think we're going to see Aaron Rodgers play because I

654
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: don't think they're going to be in it. And that's

655
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: gonna take that. I've been thinking about that, and that's

656
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: gonna make that win because I think, you know what's

657
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Speaker 5: funny is Zach Wilson's Uh. I don't know if you

658
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 5: guys have watched any of the games, like they played

659
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: on Sunday night the previous week, they played on Monday night,

660
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 5: the Sunday night game. I don't think he played terrible.

661
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 5: You know, he threw a terrible pick that costs him

662
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: the game. You know, Other than that, I guess I

663
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 5: get right right. But unlike Mac, who I think played

664
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 5: terrible for four quarters, and I know that other people

665
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 5: think that he didn't like I think he made zero

666
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 5: plays in the game, and then he topped it off

667
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 5: with what should have been back to back picks in

668
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 5: the red zone. I think Zach Wilson like they got

669
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: I mean through for like two hundred and fifty yards.

670
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 5: They were kind of moving the ball. They were similarly

671
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: all for the O for life in the red zone.

672
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 5: They were getting touchdowns called back, two of them called back,

673
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 5: and I just think they they weren't that far away.

674
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 5: But I just I think now that these are the

675
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: games they were spoke they had to win, like they

676
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: had they had to.

677
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 7: Beat those are running out quick.

678
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: I mean they had beat you know, I meant the Jets.

679
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 5: They had a beat of Raiders. I think they're gonna

680
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: they're gonna be playing Miami. I think, you know, Buffalo

681
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: at some point is gonna have to rebound. I think

682
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 5: they're gonna be I think Buffalo is gonna miss the playoffs.

683
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 7: What is Buffalo's problem?

684
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: Is it really the offensive coordinator over five?

685
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're just a is really really vanilla. It's like

686
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 9: almost like the Patriots offense last year, but like they

687
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 9: just have Josh Allen playing quarterbacks. So every once in

688
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 9: a while, Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs just are Josh

689
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 9: Allen and Stefan Diggs. But if that's not there, then

690
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 9: it's turnovers. It's inefficial an offense.

691
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 10: It's all table back next year for the Giants, for

692
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 10: the Bills, Bills.

693
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: For the Bills, I would know I take him back

694
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 5: as they had all right, but yeah, they they had

695
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: in addition that had four turnovers, plus they turned it

696
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 5: over on downs in their own territory, so that's five

697
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: turnovers and they were winning. Yeah, and if they didn't.

698
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 9: Have twelve guys on the field on the last back

699
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 9: game on that game, that was so funny. I'm sorry,

700
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 9: Like I know we're not like glasshouses right now, but

701
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 9: that was absolutely.

702
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: And I was I was so I was so happy,

703
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 5: Like I know we're not supposed to like route blah

704
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 5: blah blah whatever. I was so happy because Buffalo so

705
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 5: badly did not deserve to win that game, and just

706
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: because of what Evan said at some point, like Josh

707
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 5: Allen just made four or five plays, James Cook, despite

708
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 5: fumbling three times, made did.

709
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 9: He fumbled and then bounced on the ground and he

710
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 9: picked it up running.

711
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 5: I found, Yeah, he picked it up. He got like

712
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: twenty yards. A guy stripped him. It took a bounce, bump,

713
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 5: hit him in stride and I think he accelerated, yes,

714
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: after he recovered, like he drippled. I've never seen anything like.

715
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 5: It was an amazing game to watch. Not particularly well played.

716
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 5: Do you guys think in terms of well played, there's

717
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: something about the europe Games, the European games.

718
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Like they were a little less played.

719
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: They ever seemed to be crisp.

720
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 7: I don't think I could play a crisp anything.

721
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 10: After like feeling what it was like to get over

722
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 10: there and just to get re established with sleeping and

723
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 10: like hard.

724
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: You know, the game itself wasn't crisp, but when the

725
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: Patriots played in London, I think they were crisp.

726
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 5: I think they thought it was terrible football.

727
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: They destroyed the Rams.

728
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 7: Don't really remember the Rams.

729
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 9: Were terrible maybe just I mean, but I don't.

730
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: I don't even think that. Like the first touchdown of

731
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: that game, just as a point of comparison, was a

732
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 5: bomb by the Rams for a touchdown. That kind of

733
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: stuff never happened to the Patriots. Yeah, not then, let

734
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 5: me reiterate, that was like twenty twelve. I don't know

735
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: that stuff didn't always happen to the Patriots.

736
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they were there. They always seem a little

737
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: out of sorts, you know.

738
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 9: I mean I was a little out of sorts.

739
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: Like the Chiefs and Dolphins are two really good teams,

740
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: and I don't think they played great football. Now, it

741
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 5: was a close game twenty one to fourteen, but I

742
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 5: don't think it was a really well played game if

743
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: you watched it.

744
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 9: If you especially if you're you're trying to market the

745
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 9: product to these people and they're just so happy, that's yeah,

746
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 9: And that was you know, I wrote something on Saturday

747
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 9: night before the game, like if they win this game.

748
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 9: That was kind of my biggest takeaway of being there

749
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 9: was sometimes it's okay to just be a fan and

750
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 9: like here, I feel like we're a we're in it,

751
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 9: like we're really in it, but be like the doom

752
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 9: and gloom has just sunk into this region so much

753
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 9: because of the state of the team. Those people were

754
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 9: just happy to be there, and that's there's something to

755
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 9: be said for that that it's sports. It's not this big,

756
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 9: you know, life or death type of thing, and sometimes

757
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 9: it's okay to just be excited to watch your team

758
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 9: play and then the game happened.

759
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: You know. Somebody was saying, though, you know, we look

760
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: at it as you know, ten six, but for soccer fans,

761
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: that's two scores for each team, which is like a

762
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of scoring in a game. Yeah.

763
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 5: I was also looking at it as uh, let's say

764
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: nine punts they liked when the ball gets kicked.

765
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, there you go, give them what they want.

766
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Miss miss field goal by the rookie. Yeah, the page.

767
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: Close to well, actually, if they had had the things extended,

768
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: don't get me started.

769
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: We thought you thought that was a field goal.

770
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 5: Well some did, really they did one one.

771
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 9: Did one particular coach did on the sideline, and can

772
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 9: I just like quickly on the special teams? Why are

773
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 9: either of those two guys still here? Okay, like this

774
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 9: is unbelievably ridiculous. They spend so much time, They spend

775
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 9: so much time that they got penalized for how much

776
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 9: time they spend on special teams. Literally, they they literally

777
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 9: got OTAs.

778
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: Swift going back to the O t as when they

779
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: had because.

780
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 9: They spend too much time on special teams. They have

781
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 9: three dedicated special teams coaches, two who are coordinators are

782
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 9: former coordinators on special teams. They have they drafted two

783
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 9: specialists in the same draft. Nobody's done that in like

784
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 9: thirty years. And on top of that, they have they

785
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 9: have all have you does Chris Board play? I haven't

786
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 9: heard Chris Board's name a single time. O the remember

787
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 9: his name was gonna got called for that penalty. He

788
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 9: got called for a penalty. They have five players I

789
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 9: counted five players if you include Time Montgomery, who I

790
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 9: do because he played one offensive seal teams only that

791
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 9: are special teams only players. And they have the worst

792
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 9: special teams in the NFL, Like, if that doesn't tell

793
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 9: you something about where this team is at right now,

794
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 9: I don't know. The special teams were abhorrent, Like they

795
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 9: were horrible. They missed two field goals, they allowed a

796
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 9: forty one yard kickoff return, they tried to block punt

797
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 9: and I talked to some of the guys after the

798
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 9: game and they were just like, yeah, like we thought

799
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 9: they were gonna do one thing. They just kind of

800
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 9: checked the line of scrimmage to another blocking scheme and

801
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 9: they picked it up. And it's like that, like that's

802
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 9: what you got that that's the best you can do

803
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 9: is you don't have a returner deep you think you

804
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 9: have this wrinkle. They make one simple check at the

805
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 9: line of scrimmage and it's like nothing ever happened, What happened?

806
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 7: How does it get happen?

807
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 9: It was a sixty nine yard punt, right, It completely

808
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 9: flipped the field position, right, and it just you can't

809
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 9: tell me that that they that these coordinators should be

810
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 9: here still and you talk about like, you know, the

811
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 9: Jets or excuse me, the Bills with Ken Dorsey.

812
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 5: So that's what Fred Will made a change, And at

813
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 5: the time I wanted to get into this rant. I

814
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 5: kind of did this a little in the post game,

815
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 5: but then I'm like, you know what, Patriots on filtered

816
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: do we have to but like that to me, if

817
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: you want to come out of a game and make

818
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: a statement, just do something. And I don't care if

819
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 5: it's wrong, Just do something. Like Joe Judd's gotta go,

820
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 5: but he's list.

821
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: We're in a bye week. It's not to say something

822
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: won't happen in the next two weeks.

823
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: I just like, for all the things they Evan said,

824
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 5: and I really got annoyed by the punt by some

825
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 5: people really defending the decision on the punt and build

826
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 5: kind of like we did that last year against them.

827
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 5: We saw something and now you know we blocked punt.

828
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, Like, first of all, I'm gonna trust

829
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 5: that you're not lying to me, which I've checked in

830
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 5: the past, and I found out that you were in

831
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 5: fact lying to me. You did not recount the situations

832
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 5: the same, But I'm gonna trust that that's accurate. I

833
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 5: didn't go back and look like so they're on their

834
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 5: own thirteen yard line with twelve minutes left in the

835
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 5: second quarter, and this is the time that you deemed

836
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 5: to set you know, and if it if it doesn't

837
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 5: work that way, then you just you drop back and

838
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 5: you set up a return. Why don't we got to

839
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: set up a return, Like, let's just assume it's like

840
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: a forty five yard net on the punt average run

841
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 5: of the mill net.

842
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Right, You're gonna have good, right, decent field.

843
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get the ball at my own forty right, Yeah,

844
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: what's wrong with that?

845
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: Right?

846
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 5: Like we're gonna take the risk of.

847
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 10: We really need to score our special teams, Like we

848
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 10: really this is the only way we're getting the end

849
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 10: zone today is if we send the house.

850
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: Plus the pla you knew that you weren't going to

851
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 5: get in a shootout, and plus they were playing their backup.

852
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: Course, we're in a stadium where the punters saying, yeah,

853
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: you kind of can't go for the hang time because

854
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: of the scoreboard there. So you knew it's going to

855
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: be a kick that was going to roll anyway, just because.

856
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: That's a good one I think of that.

857
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, but they were so not close to it that

858
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 9: he's he got all of it right. Like usually when

859
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 9: you send a.

860
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: Punch and that's all you had a good punt.

861
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh, because you were closed.

862
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a high punt.

863
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 9: But when you send a punt block like that, you

864
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 9: at least think you're going to alter the punt, like

865
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 9: the guy's going to have to just get it out

866
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 9: of there right right, And that didn't even happen. And

867
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 9: I guess what they thought was going to happen was

868
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 9: the thought that the Colts typically block man blocking right,

869
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 9: just hat on a hat man blocking on the punt,

870
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 9: and they expected them to bring one of the gunners

871
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 9: into even the numbers and the man and then they

872
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 9: were going to overload a side. And I guess apparently

873
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 9: the Colts just checked to a zone blocking scheme and

874
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 9: it just didn't It just wasn't set up. Yeah, And

875
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 9: it was all fine. And I just if that that's

876
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 9: your ace in the hole, is to try to block

877
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 9: a punt.

878
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: They've come a long way from the chuck bgano am.

879
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: No, And I gotta be honest with your friend. And

880
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 5: someone said that on the radio side. I think there's

881
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 5: not a lot different between those two things. I thought

882
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 5: that was a ridiculous time to try to do that.

883
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 10: You know, you know, it would be perfect as if

884
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 10: they fired cam a Court and promoted Joe Judge now

885
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 10: from offensive assistant to specialty.

886
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 5: But we know he's the special to Evan's point, like

887
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 5: the field goal, the field goal wasn't good. Okay, first

888
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: of all, it was on the outside. It was over

889
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: the top, but it was on the outside. And to

890
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: be like, I don't know what you are so angry about,

891
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 5: Like why is it like that every one of these

892
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: games has to has to devolve into we got screwed?

893
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: Like after the game, it's we got screwed? Every week?

894
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 7: Who is the coach?

895
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 9: What we're talking about?

896
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 5: And he storms around like I don't know it.

897
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 9: Just two years in a row, last year, last year's

898
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 9: it's him with the quarterbacks. And he's definitely part of

899
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 9: the problem there. And they did the right thing with

900
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 9: Patricia and they said, look, let's just get you out

901
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 9: of the building, like this just isn't gonna work. He

902
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 9: gets to stay. Now he's courting the special teams and

903
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 9: his Special Teams unit is a disaster, despite the fact

904
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Speaker 9: that they pay all these guys to come in and

905
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Speaker 9: play special teams and they keep all the you know,

906
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 9: Brandon Schoolers of the world and stuff like that on

907
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 9: the roster. You can't tell me that they don't have

908
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 9: good special teams players.

909
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 5: And I keep saying this. Everybody points to the specialists,

910
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 5: and I don't really look at I don't blame the

911
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 5: coaching on the specialists. Much like I never gave credit

912
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 5: for Nick Folk never missing a field goal. I never

913
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Speaker 5: gave that credit to the Patriots, even though they were

914
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: glad to take it. Okay, I don't blame Chad Ryland's

915
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Speaker 5: operation missing. Yeah, they do. Fred, You're right, they do

916
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 5: take credit for it. But to me, that's different. I

917
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Speaker 5: don't blame the fact that Berenger again had two touchbacks

918
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: out of four punts or five punts wherever he had,

919
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: and he remains in the bottom third of punting. I

920
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 5: don't blame that on the coaching.

921
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Although that one that was a bomb seventy year in

922
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: the air, he had like a seventy nine yard or

923
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, but.

924
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: The return, they continue to kick the ball short because

925
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: they're smarter than everybody, and they continue to allow the

926
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 5: guy to get beyond the twenty five this one coming

927
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 5: off of your field goal to get within one, allow

928
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: them to get to midfield on a forty something yard return.

929
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 9: Well, at least the guy in Time Montgomery, one of

930
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 9: their special teams only guys made the tackle.

931
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, they saved a touchdown.

932
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 9: He did ernest keep kay, I thought McKenzie was gone.

933
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 5: Now the other way, you know when they do it

934
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 5: the other way in Time Montgomery, and he does this

935
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 5: now virtually once a game. Early in the game, he

936
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: tries to take one out and he doesn't even get

937
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: to the twenty let alone the twenty five. That's the stuff.

938
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 5: Coupled with the litany of penalties they've had on special

939
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 5: teams all year, that's the stuff that I'm putting on

940
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 5: the special teams coaches, you know that that kind of thing.

941
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: So you had one play where you dialed up a

942
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 5: block field goal that was tremendous, And how many of

943
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 5: you are on the other side, all of them, you know,

944
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 5: every other one is on the other side. They haven't

945
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 5: made any impactful play since Week two on special teams positively.

946
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 9: And this is, you know, two weeks in a row.

947
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 9: Now that last week against the Commanders, they completely imploded

948
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 9: on special teams, like.

949
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 5: I mean, it largely cost them the game.

950
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then this week you could make an argument

951
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 9: in a ten six game that these little things absolutely

952
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 9: cost you the game then too. I mean, you make

953
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 9: two field goals, it's twelve to ten and you win

954
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 9: the game. It just I don't know, how what more

955
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 9: evidence you need with those two coaches. I don't all.

956
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Right, well, listen, that was Germany. Now we haven't even

957
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: talked about Jack Jones. Yeah, well, yeah, I think we

958
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: should talk to I do want to get our listeners involved,

959
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: but we should mention. As you said, Jack Jones released,

960
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: and Bill's answer was just it was just time, yeah,

961
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: to move on. And we all know that this was,

962
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, had something to do with a field that

963
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with performance.

964
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: Had plenty to do with performance. That was, to me,

965
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 5: the final straw in the last three games in the field,

966
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: if you're not going to play well, correct, right, correct? Right,

967
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 5: So he's gone, he's gone.

968
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 7: Fourth round.

969
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: Penn coming back like someone someone asked him if he.

970
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, yeah, that was the definitive question.

971
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 9: That's probably the most honest answer he's given in weeks.

972
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 6: Right.

973
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 5: I liked that answer.

974
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised at all. I mean, I don't think anything.

975
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 5: I'm just surprised it took this long, and you guys

976
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 5: know how I felt in June. I would have done

977
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: it then, but.

978
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 10: It's like, you know, and Paul, you've been all over this,

979
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 10: like why why are you taking chances on this guy?

980
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 7: Anyway?

981
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: Like you know, continue to rely on unreliable players and

982
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: this is how you get to two and eight.

983
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, So Jack Jones is gone, and like

984
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I said, this is the buye. There's no telling what's

985
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: going to happen between now and you know, a week

986
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: from next Sunday. There could there could be, there could be.

987
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 10: We're gonna see that we're going I might know something now,

988
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 10: we're gonna have a locker room open this afternoon. I

989
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 10: don't anticipate will glean anything from that particular situation, but

990
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 10: I just he said, everything's on the table. I'm just curious,

991
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 10: like I, you know, knowing how they are, I feel

992
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 10: like they're gonna come back with some significant changes.

993
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 7: And Jack Jones was clearly quarterback.

994
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 9: Bailey's happy.

995
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: What about Will Greer?

996
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 9: I mean, I just I wouldn't be surprised if Mac

997
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 9: is completely inactive for the game.

998
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 5: I was thinking Mac would be the third third.

999
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: He did go to the X ray room after the game. Yeah,

1000
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Bruce but I'm just saying that where that's the setup

1001
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: for right, Yeah, I.

1002
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 5: Can't say that put him on I R yeah.

1003
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 7: Show, I mean, yeah, I think Zappy.

1004
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 10: I just I think everybody's kind of infatuated with Will

1005
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 10: Greer because he's an unknown commodity and you haven't seen

1006
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 10: him go out and do the things you've seen like

1007
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 10: Bailey's Appy do for better or worse, and it's like, well,

1008
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 10: maybe he's amazing.

1009
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 7: If you just give him a chance. Let's see Will

1010
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: gear I think it's probably SAP.

1011
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 5: I was so starved for any kind of offensive production

1012
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: that I actually I said to do he threw the

1013
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: one to Henry five. That's how starved I was for anything.

1014
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: Oh yes, you could hear it.

1015
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, but it wasn't until he was in.

1016
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, at that point they were just trying to

1017
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 9: support them.

1018
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1019
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 10: But that's why I'm kind of glad, Like the Giants

1020
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 10: game is at the Giants, so you can just kind

1021
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 10: of not have to worry about the Patriots.

1022
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 9: I just don't like So Tommy DeVito is going to

1023
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 9: start for the Giants, I'm assuming, and it's like, how

1024
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 9: you it might be really hard to lose to Tommy DeVito.

1025
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 5: I can't see them losing. I know I've picked them

1026
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 5: the last two weeks and I've been wrong the last

1027
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: two weeks. But but what it looks like zappy like,

1028
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 5: I mean, that's I cannot look worse than it was.

1029
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: One question I have is, what is you know, the

1030
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: mood in the locker room at the Giants compared to

1031
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: the Patriots, because like we're hearing some things, it's not

1032
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: good right now here. I don't like, are they still

1033
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: playing for Dable in the other In another word, it's

1034
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: a good question.

1035
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: That's probably a deep dive over the next couple of weeks.

1036
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 10: Are they're playing this week? The Giants that they have

1037
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 10: a game this week? As anybody know off the top

1038
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 10: of their their skulls now, I do not. Yeah, I

1039
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 10: don't know if Giants.

1040
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: It's just such an commands Oh boy.

1041
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 10: It's just such a different dynamic though, when you have

1042
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 10: a backup quarterback and the Patriots are rolling out a

1043
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 10: first round pick who you know is supposed to be

1044
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 10: the guy. I mean that I think to me, that's

1045
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 10: a major impact on what the move is when it

1046
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 10: teams like, look, we got our backup quarterback, like we

1047
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 10: don't have to take.

1048
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 5: It too tire. We're playing in this game.

1049
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 7: That's good.

1050
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 5: I don't think that they would be to Giants Stavn's point,

1051
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 5: but I think Tommy DeVito. They tried to play an

1052
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: NFL game the other day without really throwing passes, kind

1053
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: of indoors. You know, I don't think you can do that.

1054
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: What I mean, the Patriots made history. I mean they

1055
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: managed to take a six round quarterback and he turned

1056
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: into the greatest of all time. And they took a

1057
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: first round quarterback and he should have been in the

1058
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: sixth round.

1059
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 5: So you know, you have a lot of tone today.

1060
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 5: I like it.

1061
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 9: Well, I think we're all like it.

1062
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: A little tired, a little angry. This morning was testy.

1063
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: Today was the first day I woke up and I

1064
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: felt normal.

1065
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Yeah, I have to wit. I slept

1066
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: well last night. I got in a little after nine o'clock.

1067
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 7: I'm still getting them.

1068
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 5: You got home nine o'clock last night. Yeah, Oh you

1069
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 5: sound great for that. I thought you were home earlier

1070
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 5: than that.

1071
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's fine, nine o'clock. Got a good night's sleep.

1072
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I purposely stayed up on the plane on the

1073
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 9: way back on Sunday.

1074
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 5: So I three movies.

1075
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, I watched three movies too, and I was sitting

1076
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 9: with two people. I don't know if they want me

1077
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 9: to say their names over there, but we were like,

1078
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 9: let's watch movies together. Well, then we'll we'll talk about

1079
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 9: We're all stay awake, the two of them, like an

1080
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 9: hour into the flight and I'm just like, nope, I'm

1081
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 9: staying up like I'm doing. It.

1082
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: Sounds like you guys had a pajama party.

1083
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 9: It was pretty That was the Bradley couldn't no, it

1084
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 9: wasn't Bradley, but he was jealous that it wasn't Bradley.

1085
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 9: He was like, you guys are all sitting together except me.

1086
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: We had a good uh yeah, we had a good trip.

1087
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 5: It's a good trip. Yeah, good experience.

1088
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones. Eight five five pass five

1089
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: hundred is the ACE ticket houtline web radio at pages

1090
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Speaker 1: dot com as the email address US. Both phones and

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Speaker 1: email is lit up. Let's go to Christian in LA.

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Speaker 1: What's up Christian?

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Speaker 3: Hey, you guys tell you just today? Okay, welcome back

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Speaker 3: from Germany and that thing. So three quick comments and

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00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: here we go on Bill Belichick, I think nine times

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Speaker 3: out of ten when the coaches on the verge of

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Speaker 3: getting fired or the thing is collapsing, it's because that

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Speaker 3: coach has attached himself, whether of his own or someone else's,

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Speaker 3: to a quarterback who can't play. Quarterbacks are coach killers.

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Speaker 9: Ye, that's number one.

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Speaker 3: Two runs Mac Jones. Apparently we got the run of

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Speaker 3: the litter of the Alabama quarterbacks of late. I think

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Speaker 3: it's time. Obviously from the go we're not going to

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Speaker 3: exercise his fifty year option, but I do think we

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Speaker 3: owe him a soft landing. I think to apologize for

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Speaker 3: sort of the mismanagement of his early development. I think

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Speaker 3: that was on us, So we owe him a soft landing.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's time to move on. Here's my

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00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: big idea. I think over his next two weeks, we

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Speaker 3: bring in Malik, let him put together some packages for him,

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Speaker 3: and at the same time start looking at Dallas to

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Speaker 3: trade for Trey Lance. Matt Jones would be a great

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Speaker 3: replacement for Dak. They sort of play a stimul style

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Speaker 3: of football, and that would be a great soft landing

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00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: for Max. We have the rest of this year for

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Speaker 3: Bill to develop the offense around, you know, the elite

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00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: type quarterback, and then we have Trey Lance developing the

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Speaker 3: rest of this year and all in the offseason. He's

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Speaker 3: got the tools to be one of these new age quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: That's my big idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, talk about it a little bit. That's Christian.

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Speaker 9: The only idea quarterback is is it Drake mayor Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 9: That's it.

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Speaker 1: If you can get somebody like Trey Lance or we

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Speaker 1: were talking about justin fields and you can get Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 9: I know you're just like offering the other side of

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00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 9: the coin. But it's now, if you don't have the quarterback,

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Speaker 9: you don't have any Yeah, that simple.

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Speaker 5: But what if all right, hypothetical third pick and you

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Speaker 5: can't get them.

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00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 9: Exactly, that's the only reason, Like, that's the only way

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Speaker 9: I'm taking Marvin Harrison is like, but if you.

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Speaker 5: Can't get those two guys. I don't hate the idea

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Speaker 5: of Trey Lance. I don't really. I I'm just scratching

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00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 5: my head trying to figure out one similarity between Mac

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00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 5: Jones and Dak Prescott. Like, I don't really know of

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00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: one similarity. I was gonna let that there's nothing. There's

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Speaker 5: nothing physically similar about here. We go any of any

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00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 5: of them you can't do the cadence.

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Speaker 9: You keep laughing.

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Speaker 5: Mean, I'm not mean. I might be snarky, but I'm

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Speaker 5: not mean. You're mean. But seriously, what is the physical

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00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 5: similarity between Dak Prescott and Jones?

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Speaker 13: No?

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Speaker 7: No, no, And.

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Speaker 5: I'm just looking forward to playing these games for the

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Speaker 5: next six months. So, in other words, I don't really

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Speaker 5: understand why why Mac Jones would be valuable to Dallas

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Speaker 5: in this trade. The we obviously looked into Lance as

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Speaker 5: a reclamation kind of project.

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Speaker 9: You know, plays a similar style out to Dak Prescotte, right,

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Speaker 9: and if we can rehab him. Yeah, you know, Dax

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Speaker 9: had some injury problems. Maybe his career is not going

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Speaker 9: to be one of these twenty plus year careers that

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Speaker 9: some of the others have.

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Speaker 5: We have Trey Lance. I don't really see anything about

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Speaker 5: Mac Jones that's like, no, Trey Lance.

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Speaker 10: If he's shown any promise at Dallas since he's been there,

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Speaker 10: why would they want to get rid of him. The

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Speaker 10: only reason they want to give him to you is

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Speaker 10: if they got him in their building and they said

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Speaker 10: this kid can't play.

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Speaker 7: They've got a close look like, yeah, fine, take them.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I do worry that even though they are

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Speaker 5: seemingly ticketed for the top five. Do you need to

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Speaker 5: be one or two to get one of those? Right guys?

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Speaker 9: You know, I I totally hear that. I just to me,

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Speaker 9: they they need a new starting quarterback in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 9: However they get there, I guess we can deliberate over

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Speaker 9: the next week six months, which I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: And we had a guy, we had a guy call

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Speaker 5: in saying, like, you know, it's done, deal, you can't

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Speaker 5: get one of those to it. I was like, well, why,

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Speaker 5: like yeah, that they're in the top five now, and

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Speaker 5: like I just still I still think there's this notion

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Speaker 5: of people that think they will not finish with the

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Speaker 5: top five pick, because that's blasphemous around here, Like they're

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Speaker 5: two and eight. Everything is on the table. And I

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Speaker 5: gotta tell you, I watched a good portion of that

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Speaker 5: Atlanta Arizona game. Kyler Murray is going to win a

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Speaker 5: couple of games for them. That might be one less

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Speaker 5: team you have to worry about finishing.

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Speaker 9: Behind, and they might also just not take a quarterback

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Speaker 9: to take a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: No, no, I know that, but I don't think you

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Speaker 5: know if you had to ask me right now, who's

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Speaker 5: gonna win more games the rest of the way, Arizona

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Speaker 5: or Patriots. I wouldn't think twice of who I was

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Speaker 5: betting on.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I understand the arguments of you know, and I've

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Speaker 9: been there the whole season. The next quarterback has to

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Speaker 9: have a better supporting cast than this. That's apparent, But

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Speaker 9: in my mind, like you have ninety million dollars in

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Speaker 9: cap space to work with in the veteran market, like

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Speaker 9: why not just sign t Higgins or you know, it's

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Speaker 9: trade for somebody that comes Brandon Iuk, wherever comes available,

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Speaker 9: and build it the supporting cast in the veteran market

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Speaker 9: and draft the quarterback like that, That to me.

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Speaker 7: Is just twenty one twenty one?

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Speaker 9: What do you say?

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Speaker 5: Like, so if Carolina gets the number one pick, that

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Speaker 5: would be Chicago, right, yep, So it's Chicago's one, and

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Speaker 5: let's say the Giants are two, Yeah, the Patriots are

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Speaker 5: three and Arizona's behind something like that, or if you know,

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Speaker 5: some other words, the Patriots can't get may or Williams.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if that opens the door for them to

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Speaker 5: maybe trade with somebody and then you get maybe Kyler

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Speaker 5: Murray in that trade, and you know, try to work

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Speaker 5: it that way. If Arizona just decides we're going to

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Speaker 5: just take the next quarterback, I think that's unlikely because

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Speaker 5: if you're not going to be able to get one

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Speaker 5: of those one of those top two. Now I'm with Evan,

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Speaker 5: I don't know which one they're going to fall in

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Speaker 5: love with, but I got to think one of those

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Speaker 5: two guys is good enough for you to take Williams

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Speaker 5: or May.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I can't believe that all of these guys

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Speaker 5: are wrong about these two guys.

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Speaker 9: I mean, there's gonna be a good argument to be

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Speaker 9: made that they could make a trade like that and

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Speaker 9: maybe acquire another top fifty pick this year, so now

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Speaker 9: they would have three top fifty picks. Or even if

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Speaker 9: like they trade with Chicago for example, and they get

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Speaker 9: both their picks or something like that, then that that

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Speaker 9: that would be a good trade probably, But I just

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Speaker 9: you can't. You can't keep spinning the dial at quarterback

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Speaker 9: like you have to have an answer at that spot.

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Speaker 1: Let's see Rashad's in Baltimore. Hey, yeah, line three, yep, Okay.

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Speaker 14: All right, I'm not I'm not gonna try to be

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Speaker 14: too long, but I know last week I called and said,

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Speaker 14: I don't want Zafy, but.

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Speaker 13: I think we gotta start Zafy.

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Speaker 14: If we want to chance that that.

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Speaker 1: Pick, we gotta.

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Speaker 14: We gotta, like, we gotta just like if we're going

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00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 14: to tank, we gotta fully tank. And that giant next

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Speaker 14: week that that definitely not like we have to lose

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Speaker 14: that game. We have to lose that game, like all

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Speaker 14: these games he could have won this year, that can't

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Speaker 14: be the one game that we're going to win. We

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 14: gotta lose it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I get the theory. I just don't

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00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 5: think it's realistic that they're gonna shot. They're gonna roll

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00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: over and not win on purpose. Now, who knows, maybe

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00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 5: they'll decide after the bye week. Well, we think mac

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 5: gives us the best chance because that that would be

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Speaker 5: kind of tanking if Macots tried it out there again,

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Speaker 5: that's kind of an indication that you're tanking.

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Speaker 1: Or or throwing making a human sacrifice.

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Speaker 7: Jesus uh.

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Speaker 1: I think for his own benefit, you don't start.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's kind of and I wrote this this morning.

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Speaker 5: I in my note. It's it's as much about like

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00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 5: let him just take some time off, like give him something,

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Speaker 5: you know. I think Evan's point about the possibility of

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00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 5: him not being active in the game is valid. I

1258
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Speaker 5: think that you might see Zappi and Career, you know,

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Speaker 5: both both actors.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall,

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Speaker 1: you know, the next two weeks in practices and in

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Speaker 1: the position rooms. Not particularly, I would just like to

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Speaker 1: know how they're coaching this week enough film, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that, and I know that other people have

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: brought this up.

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Speaker 9: I think one of the bigger problems is that they

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00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 9: are coaching the same way. And I think that some

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00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 9: people would say, oh, well that what else would you

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00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 9: do besides? But what I mean by it is like

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Speaker 9: these players are it's hard to play here. Like these

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00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 9: players are going through these practices, they're staying late, They're

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Speaker 9: in these meetings for hours on end. They're getting showed

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Speaker 9: out in film sessions by the coaching staff because they're

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00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 9: brutally honest, like worse than us, and they're they're going

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Speaker 9: through all these things to be two and eight And

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00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 9: at this point, like that's why I you know, I

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Speaker 9: said last week that I wouldn't fire Bill midseason out

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Speaker 9: of respect to what he's accomplished here. And I still

1279
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 9: largely feel that way, but at the same time it

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Speaker 9: now does set up as a nice time with the

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Speaker 9: bye week that if you're already gonna do it at

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Speaker 9: the end of the year, and I don't know, but

1283
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Speaker 9: if you are already going to do it at the

1284
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 9: end of the year, I do think it's maybe worth

1285
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 9: seeing how they respond to Grod Mayo and just how

1286
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 9: he takes over the room and how guys you know,

1287
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 9: what's the rules under his regime and how do guys

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00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 9: feel about it and that sort of thing and get

1289
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 9: the pulse of the locker room of is this better?

1290
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 9: You know, is this easier? And I say easier, I

1291
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 9: don't mean you work less hard, but just easier. But

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Speaker 9: the kind of like with the Raiders, like right now.

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Speaker 10: But kind of along the lines of what they did

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Speaker 10: to Bailey Zappi is a fair to Mayo, you know.

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00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 7: Like like the Zappi all right, go fix it.

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Speaker 10: It's a mess and you know it like is it

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Speaker 10: I'm not saying I don't think it is.

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Speaker 5: I just like the way you ever put it. Though,

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Speaker 5: I don't think they would be looking for him to

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 5: go fix it. I think they're looking to see how

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Speaker 5: they respond to him. You know, some of the players respond. Now,

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Speaker 5: Fred makes a good point too. There might not be

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 5: a lot of guys in there that you care or

1304
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 5: how they respond to anybody, right, but there's just there

1305
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: should be enough. I mean, all your guys that are

1306
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 5: on rookie contracts are going to be here next year.

1307
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 9: It's just a good it's a good opportunity to basically

1308
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 9: have him audition for the job and to see how

1309
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 9: it goes. I just this to me is like almost

1310
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 9: worst in some ways. It's almost worse to to.

1311
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 5: Bill because it's just like we we we know you're

1312
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 5: just gonna keep losing like that, right exactly. It just

1313
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 5: it makes you want.

1314
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: Tim's and Caroline I hate Tim.

1315
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, how you're doing good?

1316
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1317
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 13: So I kind of just looking at the Jets schedule

1318
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 13: down the you know, for the rest of the season,

1319
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 13: and looking at the Giants the rest of the season,

1320
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 13: I actually think both those teams could end up with

1321
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 13: a higher pick than the Patriots just based on strength

1322
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 13: of schedule.

1323
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 5: I think the Jets already have enough wins to not

1324
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 5: finish behind the Patriots.

1325
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just have what four wins?

1326
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 13: They have four wins and if the Patriots them and

1327
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 13: the Patriots.

1328
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: Now, the Giants I think are going to finish with

1329
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 5: the worst record than the Patriots. I think you're right

1330
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 5: on that one. The Jets are gonna win one or

1331
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: two more, just like you will, and then they'll be

1332
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 5: ahead of you. I don't think you have to worry.

1333
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't worry. I don't worry as much

1334
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 5: about the Jets. I worry about the Giants either way.

1335
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 13: I don't think they're gonna have a top one or

1336
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 13: two pick, and I actually think they're gonna miss out

1337
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 13: on both of those quarterbacks. Just maybe I have this feeling,

1338
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 13: and I don't see I mean, if Bill's in charge

1339
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 13: at draft, at the draft, we're not trading up. We're

1340
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 13: not We're not doing the Kyle Shanahan three first rounders

1341
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 13: trade up. I just don't see that happening either.

1342
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 5: Well, they also wouldn't have to do that. If they're

1343
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 5: like three, you don't have to trade three three first

1344
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 5: rounders to move to two. Like if you're twelve, you

1345
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 5: have to trade three first rounds to move to two.

1346
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 5: But that's that's a little different.

1347
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 15: I do.

1348
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 13: I don't even see them trading one.

1349
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: I could if you love the quarterback you better.

1350
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 5: I could, Yeah, I absolutely could. But you know, we'll

1351
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 5: see I don't think, you know, I mean, we'll see

1352
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 5: who's making the decisions too.

1353
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 13: Do you guys watch the college games?

1354
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1355
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hi amara feeling.

1356
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 13: I don't know if you guys watched Michael Pennix play

1357
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 13: this weekend. But the wind was whipping there in Washington,

1358
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 13: unbelievable arm in bad weather. Yea kid play. Yeah, I thought,

1359
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 13: you know, he'd be a nice consolation prize if they

1360
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 13: miss out on the first two.

1361
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 5: You want to take him with like the third, third,

1362
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 5: or fourth pick.

1363
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 13: If you're looking at the draft board, I would look

1364
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 13: at you know, who can you if you can trade

1365
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 13: down and there aren't people that there aren't other teams

1366
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 13: that are looking for a quarterback, Like maybe you can

1367
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 13: trade down two or three spots and get an additional

1368
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 13: pick in there and then pick up the quarterback.

1369
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, thank him.

1370
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 5: I'm not interested in my pix in the top ten.

1371
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 5: Me neither, I'm not. I mean, if you want to say,

1372
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 5: like you're gonna be picking with the third or fourth

1373
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 5: pick of the second round and you want to maybe

1374
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 5: move up into the bottom of the first round to

1375
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 5: get someone like that, like Panix or JJ McCarthy even

1376
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 5: like I don't really love him either, but that I

1377
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 5: could be sold on. But I'm gonna maneuver around to

1378
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 5: reach for a quarterback that I don't think a lot

1379
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 5: of people think it's a top ten guy. Now, maybe

1380
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 5: I'm dead wrong on that. He's a little older.

1381
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 9: He's twenty four to two in the knee, lefty, but

1382
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 9: he does have a good arm.

1383
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 5: Killer though a lot of lefties don't have strong arms.

1384
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 5: He does. He's right, the caller Tim is right about

1385
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 5: why do you say that? I don't know, but it's

1386
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you. Michael Vick had a pretty strong

1387
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 5: Michael Vick was another exception. He drew the ball as

1388
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 5: well as anybody.

1389
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 9: I just with Penix. I I'm still waiting to see

1390
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 9: if Penix can like hit anything at the second first

1391
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 9: level of the defense. Like every time I watch just

1392
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 9: have really good receivers in college. Yeah, so his, uh,

1393
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 9: I'm gonna butcher his name. He's going to be a

1394
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 9: first round pick. Yeah, his his top receiver at Washington

1395
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 9: is going to be a first round pick. I just

1396
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 9: with Penis. He throws a pretty deep ball. And he

1397
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 9: can move a little bit, and he can throw on

1398
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 9: the run, he can do all that kind of stuff.

1399
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 9: I like, yeah, yeah, I worry about like the instructure

1400
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 9: stuff though, like is he going to be able to

1401
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 9: read out the field and make those types of throws

1402
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 9: from the pocket? And I worry about that with Caleb

1403
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 9: Williams too. Also, have you guys done any research on that,

1404
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 9: like this mocks that are already out, like where's Penis? Like,

1405
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 9: am I way off on that? Penis can be a

1406
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 9: first round pick?

1407
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 5: That's but top but top five?

1408
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 9: Top five?

1409
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 5: He wants to go into the top five?

1410
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 9: Well, I mean it depends all this stuff always depends

1411
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 9: on the pre draft. I've been thinking of him as

1412
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 9: the bottom half of the first round kind of no no, no, no, no, no, no,

1413
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 9: top half of the first round.

1414
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 5: I think, okay, all right, I mean just because he

1415
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: plays quarterback, you got him. I'm not interested in him

1416
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 5: that I mean.

1417
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 9: I shouldn't say that, like you know, who knows, like

1418
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 9: will Levis was supposed to be a first round pick

1419
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 9: and he ended up falling to the first pick of

1420
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 9: the second round, so you just you never know.

1421
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 5: But but but that's see, I would say that's fine. Like,

1422
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 5: is there a huge difference between like twenty six and

1423
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 5: thirty three? No, like, but there's a huge difference between

1424
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 5: four and thirty three.

1425
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: Nah.

1426
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would look at Penix as a guy that's

1427
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 9: like probably in like I don't know, like the the

1428
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 9: eight to fifteen range, like he's he's a.

1429
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 6: Deepone has him as number twenty one overall, Yeah.

1430
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 5: That's where I that's my mind.

1431
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 13: Now.

1432
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 5: I don't want to be luck step with Blue Jerny,

1433
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 5: but my mind that's where I right.

1434
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 9: But if they have him twenty one overall and he

1435
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 9: has a good pre draft and he's a quarterback, he's

1436
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 9: gonna go ten picks higher than twenty one.

1437
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 5: Yep So, and it's gonna be like the teams. Yeah,

1438
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 5: it's gonna be the team exactly. I wouldn't have taken

1439
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 5: it now, but they don't have to relegislate that.

1440
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 9: I think this one, like not is like a little

1441
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 9: bit more, you know, Zach wilsony where like he's gonna

1442
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 9: like Penix is gonna look really good throwing the ball

1443
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 9: at his pro day because he's got hell of an arm,

1444
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 9: so it's gonna look good in shorts and a T

1445
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 9: shirt no matter where he's at.

1446
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 5: That's what people say about JJ McCarthy, But I don't

1447
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,479
Speaker 5: see that when I watch the Michigan play.

1448
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 16: No.

1449
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 9: JJ McCarthy I think has a little He's definitely more

1450
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 9: tools than Mac. He can move around more than Mac.

1451
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 9: But he worries me because it's it's similar where like

1452
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 9: Michigan's just loaded. So like he's standing behind an offensive

1453
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 9: line that never allows pressure. He's got an incredible run game,

1454
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 9: incredible defense, Like he what does he really have to

1455
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 9: do in a lot of these games?

1456
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 6: What do you think of the comparison to Pennix Junior

1457
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 6: to Tagabaloa.

1458
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 9: Well, they're both lefties. I think that that's like kind

1459
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 9: of where it ends for me. Yeah, you know, I

1460
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 9: mean maybe like pre hip injury to a had had

1461
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 9: an arm like Penix, But I think two is a

1462
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 9: much much better anticipatory thrower, Like he's much better at

1463
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 9: playing quarterback. And that's like my whole thing with this

1464
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 9: draft is like when we start looking at the qbs,

1465
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 9: who plays quarterback and who's just an athlete playing quarterback?

1466
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 9: And I want the quarterback athlete.

1467
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 5: The other thing I would say with those two is,

1468
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 5: you know, Tua played a couple of years at Alabama.

1469
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 5: Pennock has been in college football for like seven years,

1470
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 5: six years, Like he should be at a level higher

1471
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 5: at this point. Now he's playing against you know, kids

1472
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 5: that he has three times as much experience as you

1473
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like that's a big difference. I

1474
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 5: think he spent three years at Indiana and three at

1475
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 5: Washington or something like that.

1476
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 9: I get why people draw the comparisons because they're both lefties,

1477
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 9: but I think twas his straints are much different than Penix's.

1478
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 9: Penix is a raw talent, whereas Tua has you know,

1479
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 9: all those little and you.

1480
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 5: Know, it's funny. Even though I think Tua has been successful,

1481
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 5: I don't think he would have gone as high had

1482
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 5: people not felt that he could be the dual threat.

1483
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 5: Because I loved him at Alabama. I thought he was,

1484
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 5: you know, another dual threat kind of guy who could

1485
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 5: really throw. To Evan's point, with the anticipation and stuff

1486
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 5: like that, that's what he's brought to the NFL. But

1487
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 5: he doesn't really bring the running element at all. And

1488
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 5: he's small, so he shouldn't be running around a ton

1489
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 5: with all the injuries that he's had. But I'm not

1490
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 5: sure you would have been the fifth pick if people

1491
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 5: realized he wasn't don't think it's a thread guy.

1492
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 9: He definitely doesn't go over Herbert if they'd realize that.

1493
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 9: I the one guy that's really intriguing to me. I'm

1494
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 9: not a big Penis guy. Bars a little bit higher

1495
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 9: on Pennix than I am, I think, but Jaden Daniels.

1496
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 5: From LSU's I love him.

1497
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 9: That's the one guy that I really If you're not

1498
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 9: going to get the Tier one guys, which is Caleb

1499
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 9: and Drake May, Jaden Daniels, as you get him in

1500
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 9: the bottom in the first round, maybe I think that

1501
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 9: there's a possibility. And if you have like.

1502
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 5: He's like six foot right six ' four, oh he's

1503
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 5: oh yeah, if he is.

1504
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: Who's the other Daniels for what?

1505
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 7: Mark Daniels?

1506
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 5: Mark, are you thinking of Jordan Travis from Florida State?

1507
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 5: Because I get those two mixed up all the time,

1508
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 5: and Travis is small. Jaden Daniels has got good.

1509
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 9: I forget who they were playing, but there was a

1510
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 9: conference game he had six hundred total yards of offense.

1511
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's been in college for a while. He should

1512
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 5: be dominating. But yeah, I do like the skills yet there.

1513
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: All right, so at this time, we welcome Tamara Brown

1514
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: to the show. No matter how you doing. How was

1515
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: your Germany experience.

1516
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 6: I'm definitely jet lagged, still recovering from the time difference,

1517
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 6: but overall, I was blown away by Patriots Nation in Frankfurt.

1518
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1519
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 6: I kind of went into Germany with no expectation, so

1520
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 6: I think that might have been it too, but just

1521
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 6: to support throughout the week, just seeing there were so

1522
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 6: many more Patriots fans there than Colts fans. Like all

1523
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 6: week long, people were like, you have you seen any

1524
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 6: Colts fans? I'm like, no, the only thing I've seen

1525
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 6: Colts is the Colts cheerleaders. That was the only thing

1526
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 6: that I saw downtown. Other than that, it was a

1527
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 6: bunch of Patriots jerseys. Patriot fans were everywhere. They were

1528
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 6: so welcoming, they were so excited. I don't know if

1529
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 6: it was for PU specifically or you know, Patriots, it

1530
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 6: was Patriots specifically, but just blown away. I mean, even

1531
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 6: with the loss, I felt like Patriot's Nation there was incredible.

1532
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was great, and you enjoyed yourself.

1533
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 6: You did have really great food. I went back to

1534
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 6: that restaurant that you took me to, like, I had

1535
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 6: to go back there again. I think that was my

1536
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 6: last meal in Germany. But I really enjoyed it. Ever,

1537
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed it. It was pretty cold there.

1538
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, it was chilly.

1539
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 5: I was a little cold the last day, like everybody's

1540
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 5: bundled looked like it was really cold day.

1541
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: It was the coldest day, okay, Monday. I was there

1542
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: afterwards and it was pouring, so we were lucky to

1543
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: not get any of that. You know.

1544
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 9: The weather was exactly what I thought it would be.

1545
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just watching watching the game. It looked

1546
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 5: like it was colder than when Mike.

1547
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: And I my fingers, like because it's you're completely outdoors

1548
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: and my fingers were working slow.

1549
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 5: Is that why you had to take a break?

1550
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 6: No?

1551
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: I well, when it's cold out, you have to, you know,

1552
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom a little bit more.

1553
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 9: Is that also?

1554
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 6: There was nothing for him to be reporting on in

1555
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 6: that game, I.

1556
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 5: Know, but someone sent a screenshot of the be back

1557
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 5: in five minutes.

1558
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: And the press there. They don't have their own bathroom.

1559
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: You have to go down the stairs and out to

1560
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: the concourt, so you're in the same bathroom as all the.

1561
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: Fans the steering room.

1562
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was different, but you sat in the stands. Yeah,

1563
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: how was that experience?

1564
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 9: Wild?

1565
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 6: So the ushers the crazy thing. I have a video

1566
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 6: the ushers like they pumped the fans up, so they're

1567
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 6: they're ushering, you know, people to their seats, but they're

1568
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 6: also pumping up the fans, like making them get loud

1569
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 6: and stuff. I'm like, they don't do that here. Like,

1570
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 6: it was incredible, Alex and I got a good video

1571
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 6: of it. I'd never seen that before.

1572
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: But you like it when they sang Yeah.

1573
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, country Roads is a little bit weird considering like

1574
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 6: the Cults and New England are not Country Roads.

1575
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 9: They every game, Yeah, but it's just one of their songs.

1576
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: They love it.

1577
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 6: It was interesting.

1578
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: It was the way they did it and they you know,

1579
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: they all had their camera lights on and I got

1580
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: a little choked ups.

1581
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 10: You really when you say they always sing, what do

1582
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 10: you mean like just fans general for this for the games?

1583
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 5: And they did it last week for the Miami and

1584
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 5: that was in.

1585
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: Munich last year they did it. Yeah, they you know,

1586
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: because I was in the bar last year in Munich

1587
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: and the you know. They we had a German DJ,

1588
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: and he was playing like all classic rock from the

1589
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: eighties and they love they love all that music.

1590
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 9: That was what I was really surprised about was that

1591
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 9: they didn't play like I was thinking that we were

1592
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 9: gonna go sear some du none of that. It's just

1593
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 9: but like no, like Gibson, like the Gipson. You know.

1594
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 9: After the show we were there, it was like Rihanna,

1595
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 9: like they were playing like American music and like every

1596
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 9: once in a while they would mix in some like

1597
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 9: German house song or something, and I had to ask,

1598
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 9: like what they were saying, and it was not not

1599
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 9: safe for our biggest.

1600
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: Our biggest export is entertainment, movies, music. That's what we explained.

1601
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 9: And all the like the German people that were there,

1602
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 9: they all knew the words like they were they were

1603
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 9: all into it, like that was the music they wanted

1604
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 9: to hear.

1605
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 10: There must just be a bunch of Germans that have

1606
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 10: this like glowing impression of West Virginia.

1607
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 5: Though, like, man, that must be the best over there.

1608
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 9: West Virginia, hor do not recommend.

1609
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I've spent time there. Yeah, I would put it

1610
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 5: in the bottom bottom three of states.

1611
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to Nik in Australia. What's up, Nick, Nick?

1612
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 17: Yes, I just got a question for Evan and Mike.

1613
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 17: My first of all, do you think Billy o'brown will

1614
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 17: be back next year? And if so, do you want

1615
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 17: him to return? And Evan, if we do end up

1616
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 17: with the top peak, who would you take? Would you

1617
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 17: take May or would you take Williams? You know that

1618
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 17: obviously it's probably the consents, not one peak, but one

1619
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 17: your opinion on it.

1620
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 7: I'd just say I'd be open to Billy Oh coming back.

1621
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,799
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think he's gotten you know, totally

1622
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 10: fair shaken. I think he's you know, modern we talked

1623
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 10: last year things that you know, modern teams are doing.

1624
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 5: I think he's on that tip. I still like Billy Oh.

1625
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 7: I haven't lost faith in him.

1626
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If let's say you have you know,

1627
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,520
Speaker 1: the first or second pick, and you can choose your quarterback,

1628
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: Billy Oh is eventually going to leave for a head

1629
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: coaching job, do you want to, like, you know, rather

1630
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: that get a get a head coach who chooses his

1631
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, but it's his offense, it's the head coach's offense.

1632
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we've had those conversations.

1633
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 10: I mean, it's just it's something I think you got

1634
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 10: to make peace with if if you're not going to

1635
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 10: choose an offensive coordinator as your coach, I mean, unless

1636
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 10: you want to just cut it down the middle and say, look,

1637
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 10: we're only looking at offensive coaches and he's going.

1638
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 7: To bring his own guy and that.

1639
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 5: But I don't know if you if you want to

1640
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 5: limit yourself that much.

1641
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just part of life.

1642
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 10: I mean, even if you have, you know, a great

1643
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 10: head coach and there's gonna be a coordinator that comes

1644
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 10: in and I mean you're looking at it with Buffalo

1645
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 10: a little bit right now, where they, you know, have

1646
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 10: the defensive coach.

1647
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 5: That's what happened. It's it's it's tough to navigate.

1648
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 10: I just don't know if there's that perfect offensive mind

1649
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 10: that you you're ready to hand.

1650
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: The keys to just yet, Thanks Nate, hold On, hold On, Yeah,

1651
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: Heaven Drake. Drake Thomas writes in fun fact, Country Roads

1652
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: was initially written about Western mass but they decided that

1653
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: West Virginia sounded better than Massachusetts, so they changed a

1654
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: bunch of words, and he cites Wikipedia.

1655
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 5: Must be true.

1656
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 10: Then Denver I was surprised it wasn't about Colorado because

1657
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 10: John Denver is Colorado guy, right, like that was always

1658
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 10: what he missed me up.

1659
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 9: You know, it was nice, fun fact. I love a

1660
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 9: good country sing along.

1661
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 6: I hear that all the time in Blacksburg, Virginia, but

1662
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 6: not in Frankfurt, Germany. I wasn't expecting that.

1663
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, Eldred in North Carolina? What's up Eldred?

1664
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 15: Hey, fellow lady, how y'all doing good? Two questions? Uh,

1665
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 15: just take o rid of Jack Jones? Any chance Bolan

1666
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 15: coming back?

1667
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: He's going the whole.

1668
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 5: Are Yeah, he's too much for that one.

1669
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 8: And yes, sir, I agree with Bart.

1670
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 15: I disagree with you on on Michael Pennick also him

1671
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 15: place Sunday and he did Starity and they playing again

1672
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 15: this Thearity and Drake. Uh that Caleb William guy, he

1673
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 15: didn't drop them in the pole. So they got him,

1674
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 15: may I mean they got Pinnick. May Uh that was

1675
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 15: a guy from U C. L A. And my guy

1676
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 15: Jordan Travis top runners for the Hoisting Trophy and he's

1677
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 15: going up with the pig. So no that that that

1678
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 15: was that that was showed up there. So I would

1679
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 15: I want to take Caleb william with a can't put pole. Okay,

1680
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 15: I don't know how you feel about it.

1681
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I'm definitely skeptical of Caleb Williams at

1682
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 9: this point, I think is the way to put it.

1683
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 9: I feel very very concerned about his attitude, his father,

1684
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 9: all of it. Very concerned, Like I I do not

1685
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 9: want LeVar ball here in New England. I have no

1686
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 9: time for it. Like if you're gonna go run your mouth,

1687
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 9: if you're gonna go on ESPN and say that it's

1688
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 9: all you know, the coach's fault and you know he

1689
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 9: has nobody to throw to and YadA, YadA, YadA, Like

1690
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 9: I got no time for that, like least like the

1691
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 9: leak it anominously like the current quarterback, you know, like

1692
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 9: don't actually like put your face on it. So I

1693
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 9: just I'm concerned about that with Caleb Williams for sure.

1694
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 6: Why Why isn't Jordan Travis him actually bring it up?

1695
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 9: Just think of it.

1696
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 6: Why isn't Florida State's quarterback getting as much I guess

1697
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 6: talk even though they're undefeated and you.

1698
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 9: Know he's candidate, Yeah, yes, he's the Heisman Trophy candidate.

1699
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 9: I'm not I don't know. I'm not as familiar with

1700
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 9: him as the other guys just because he isn't in

1701
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 9: that conversation as like a first round guy. But he

1702
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 9: is a little bit on the smaller side, a little

1703
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 9: bit on the older side, I think, too right. We

1704
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 9: looked this up the other day. Yeah, I don't know exactly,

1705
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 9: like from a football standpoint why he's not higher. But

1706
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 9: my guess is one of those guys, whether it's him

1707
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 9: Bo Nicks, you know, I think you know. Bart just

1708
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 9: texted me that Ubers might go back to Texas, which

1709
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 9: is a little surprising because they have arch manning there.

1710
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 9: One of those guys get end up being my favorite

1711
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 9: day to guy. I don't know who it's going to be,

1712
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 9: but one of one of them is. Yeah, one of

1713
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 9: those guys is gonna be, like, you know, the guy

1714
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 9: that I'm I'm putting the flag pole in for. Like,

1715
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 9: if you have to take one on day two, this

1716
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 9: is who I would take.

1717
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 6: Question would you take two? Like would you find a

1718
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 6: new backup? Because like because you don't love you don't

1719
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 6: love Zappy.

1720
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 5: Like Robert Griffin too hot, I would not do that.

1721
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 6: No, not too high like one early.

1722
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 8: Like like r G.

1723
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 5: Three. Like Mike said, first and fourth round, I would

1724
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 5: not do that.

1725
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: I do like first and sixth would.

1726
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 9: I know he's hurt, But if they were to do that.

1727
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 9: The the duke quarterback is kind of interesting. I don't

1728
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 9: know who they depends on who they draft quarter If

1729
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 9: they draft a guy, yeah, if they if they draft

1730
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 9: a guy that's like super athletic and that's not like

1731
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 9: you know, Riley Leonard, I don't think it's going to

1732
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 9: be a great transition back up to that. But if

1733
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 9: they still have a guy that they hope in an

1734
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 9: offense that they hope is going to be more of

1735
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 9: like a pocket passing, you know, traditional offense. And I've

1736
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 9: liked what I saw from him before he got hurt.

1737
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not big on like rookie backup quarterback. I

1738
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 5: want a guy who's been around a little bit.

1739
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: Chris with a t A n is calling and what's up, Christian.

1740
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 18: Hey lady, Hey guys, how's it going right?

1741
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: Hey man?

1742
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 18: I had a question about the possibility of Bill returning

1743
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 18: next year, and would you ever see a scenario where

1744
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 18: at the end of the year, Bill says to Robert,

1745
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 18: you know, I'm seventy two. I got both my kids

1746
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 18: on the staff. I really don't want to start over.

1747
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 18: I really want to leave here, you know, on good terms,

1748
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 18: and lead the team in a good place. I'll you know,

1749
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 18: welcome a GM and defer to GM on on the roster.

1750
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 18: Do you ever envision any scenario where that could happen?

1751
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 18: And do you ever see Robert considering that, you know,

1752
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 18: saying geez, yeah, I want him here too, Like I mean,

1753
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 18: is there ever I mean, me person want to thought over.

1754
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 18: I want to clean him with twos the whole way.

1755
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 18: But do you guys ever see Bill doing that?

1756
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, I can't rule it out. I'd say I

1757
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: bet heavily against it. However, by the time the season's

1758
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: over and Bill kind of reflects on things, maybe he

1759
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: would be like willing to do that. But right now,

1760
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, telling me I have to put my money on,

1761
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: I say, no way.

1762
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 10: I just would like, how could he expect to be

1763
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 10: successful suddenly allowing someone else to pick his players for him? Like,

1764
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 10: it just doesn't seem like it's a it's a setup

1765
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 10: for success that way.

1766
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: I well, you still collab, but it's someone else's final decision.

1767
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 7: I hate collapse so much.

1768
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: It's such a big word these days, though, but it's

1769
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: it's someone someone else has final say. But you know,

1770
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 1: of course they're going to listen to Bill Belichick.

1771
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 9: Yeah are they?

1772
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: They should?

1773
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 9: They should?

1774
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to ask him to coach,

1775
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: he should be on board.

1776
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, that I just I don't I don't know

1777
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 9: why we're listening to him in period, but I I

1778
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 9: have no interest in that setup. Like I understand where

1779
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 9: the point is. I'm not trying to like it's not it,

1780
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 9: but you want to keep question is would Bill be

1781
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 9: open to it? I just think that the the issue is,

1782
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 9: and I've had this issue with Macro in the past.

1783
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 9: It's like it depends on who I guess, because like

1784
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 9: if it's just one of these guys that owes their

1785
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 9: career to build, and what difference does it make if

1786
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 9: they just hand it over to Macro and they say, oh,

1787
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 9: well now you have final say. But Bill's like his

1788
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 9: dad's best friend and he's got it. You know, tell

1789
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 9: Bill put him Bill in his place, Like he's not

1790
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 9: gonna do that.

1791
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.

1792
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 9: So it's just it depends on who it is, I guess.

1793
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 9: But like it would have to be somebody with some

1794
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 9: serious clout like that's done it for years and done

1795
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 9: it successfully and someone that that can really stand up

1796
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 9: to Bill And I don't know if any of the

1797
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 9: guys that have been through here are going to do that.

1798
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: Thanks all right now.

1799
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 18: But I was thinking a guy like Ernie just point

1800
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 18: like somebody really established that it's been a bunch of

1801
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 18: places that you know that that that could be that.

1802
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: Type of isn't he retired.

1803
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 5: Like twenty five years right? Like you just meant somebody

1804
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 5: like oh like that?

1805
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, somebody with Cashet, Thanks Christian, But.

1806
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 5: I kind of want to go the other way. Yeah, yeah,

1807
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 5: It's it's hard because you have to identify someone who

1808
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 5: hasn't done it or like doesn't have a track record.

1809
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 5: But I think they need to be a little bit

1810
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 5: innovative in what they do.

1811
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: Adam's in London. Hello Adam, Hey everyone.

1812
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 19: I just wanted to thanks all. I mean, I rang

1813
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 19: into the postgame. I thanked all of Mike for the

1814
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 19: event it gives them, but it was great to meet

1815
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 19: the rest of you as well. On Friday. I never

1816
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 19: thought I'd be doing the worm on a dance stuff

1817
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 19: and getting on stage.

1818
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: Was that you was that you doing the work. Oh wow, Yeah,

1819
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: you came out there and just blew everyone away.

1820
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, quite impressive.

1821
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 19: Yeah that's not positivity though. Okay, I think hasn't got

1822
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 19: the role. Like I said, what I called it on

1823
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 19: the post game. I think I was still in the

1824
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 19: high of being in Frankfort and going to the game,

1825
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 19: but now back home in the UK, I think the

1826
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 19: headsn't got the role. I don't think that we will

1827
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 19: get rid of film mid season. You know, we're not

1828
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 19: that team kind of thing. I think everything he's done

1829
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 19: for us the end of the year, maybe we kind

1830
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 19: of stay, thank you and goodbye. But Evan, I think

1831
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 19: I'm with you, Camra Cord or Joe Judge. I mean,

1832
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 19: a special team just needs to be changed. We have

1833
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 19: all these core special teamers don't really play a role

1834
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 19: offensively or defensively. We've preached about being so great in it,

1835
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 19: and it's just failing. I mean I watched with my

1836
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 19: mouth wide open at that punk block, you know, a

1837
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 19: sixty seven yard field flipper. I get what they were

1838
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 19: trying to do, but still I was just perplexed. And

1839
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 19: you know, today we've seen Buffalo have seen an issue.

1840
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,879
Speaker 19: It hates me talking about complementing the bills, but Buffalo

1841
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 19: have identified an issue and they've reacted. I just think,

1842
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 19: what are we telling the fan base if we're rolling

1843
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 19: out the same thing that clearly isn't working.

1844
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:08,799
Speaker 5: I think we met, But I'll think, all right, thanks Adam,

1845
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 5: Thanks Adam like that.

1846
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: You know when when when a coach does that, like

1847
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, all right, uh fired the offensive coordinator this morning.

1848
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: Do you think you know that is an owner that says, hey,

1849
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta do something, this is unacceptable.

1850
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 9: It might be ye I think is trying to save

1851
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 9: his own but honestly.

1852
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 5: That might be that it's also been in the works

1853
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 5: for like a better part of a year and a half.

1854
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, honestly, they still have a shot.

1855
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 5: I mean, oh yeah, that's why. That's why I would

1856
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 5: do it. Yeah, I mean why I think it was

1857
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 5: the right thing to do. They have more than a shot. Like,

1858
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 5: you know, they get Josh Allen playing like Josh Allen again,

1859
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 5: and they're gonna be like, I know, we joke around

1860
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 5: like nine and was still in play. I told you

1861
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 5: that was going to be a problem with But you

1862
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 5: know that's all over their message boards.

1863
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 7: Right Oh really?

1864
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1865
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 7: No, yeah, it's just just like it.

1866
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 5: Al's like you that think that's why the ball went

1867
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 5: through gave Davis's hands, it.

1868
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 7: Is, I have proof of it.

1869
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 9: It's not that though, But you know the attention to detail, Paul,

1870
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 9: it hasn't been there.

1871
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 5: He did drop one of those fumbles last night that

1872
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 5: was on him. One of the hand James Cook, he

1873
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 5: dropping fault was coming out of his hands and then

1874
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 5: the pick at the end of the half.

1875
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: Was is the OCS fault? Do you blame him for

1876
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: the too many men on the field that last play?

1877
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 9: No, That's why I think that this is a scapegoat.

1878
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: Who's whose fault is that?

1879
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 5: That was DeMar Hamlin's fault because he came in his

1880
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 5: n injury replacement and didn't get off the field okay,

1881
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 5: which is sad because it was like his first defensive

1882
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 5: snap since he came back. And then I think he

1883
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 5: was the guy that was out there too long. But

1884
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 5: what I don't like is when we you know, it's

1885
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 5: I get the respect thing for Bill because he won

1886
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 5: six titles and all the all that he's done for

1887
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 5: the organization that I understand. I don't understand, like you

1888
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 5: don't want to make those kind of reactionary moves. You

1889
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 5: don't want to be one of those teams. Like, so

1890
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 5: every team that's ever fired a guy was the wrong

1891
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 5: thing to do because it was reactionary. Like, you don't

1892
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 5: want to be one of those teams that's on the

1893
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 5: quarterback counsel because and I keep using the Jets as.

1894
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to be. But sometimes you find yourself.

1895
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 5: Honest, Sometimes you draft Sam Darnold and it doesn't work out, right,

1896
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 5: and you realize he's not working out. I'm gonna change.

1897
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 5: Then I'm gonna draft Zach Wilson, and you realize it's

1898
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 5: not working out, I'm gonna go and make a trade

1899
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 5: for Aaron Rodgers, right, Like, I don't think that it's

1900
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 5: necessarily a bad thing. It's it's bad that you're missing,

1901
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 5: but I don't think it's bad that you're saying, I

1902
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 5: identified this guy, he can't do it.

1903
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: You don't want to be one of those teams without

1904
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Yeah, you don't know, but it's not

1905
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: everyone can have him.

1906
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 5: But when you recognize that you don't have one, the

1907
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 5: longer you wait, the more you set the process back.

1908
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 7: And that's what I think we all kind of figured

1909
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 7: out this weekend.

1910
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 9: I think that's kind of how I feel like about

1911
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 9: the either ors of like, Okay, Marvin Harrison or a

1912
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 9: quarterback is like, all you're doing is kicking the quarterback

1913
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 9: can down the road.

1914
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 5: And I just think it's so I think everybody looks

1915
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 5: at that San Francisco thing and says, let's do it

1916
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 5: that way. Well, and it's so much harder to do

1917
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 5: it that way.

1918
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 10: So ev how much do you think you'll be And

1919
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 10: I mean I might be right there with you. But

1920
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 10: if they're picking third overall and it seems like May's

1921
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 10: gonna go first, to are repounding the table to try

1922
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 10: to get up and get them a chance to get

1923
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 10: them like.

1924
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean what it depends like obvious.

1925
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: So you like both these guys, Well May's gone and

1926
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: you can get Williams.

1927
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 9: You're saying, ghettum, Oh yeah, I'd run the card up there.

1928
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: So you're not afraid to take Williams.

1929
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,759
Speaker 9: No, I'm not afraid to take them. It's just given

1930
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 9: the situation, I would prefer to take May. But and

1931
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 9: I know that there's a lot of draft analysts now

1932
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 9: that are starting to sway to me.

1933
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: With that, because if you because I think Williams is

1934
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback, but if you're afraid to take them,

1935
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: then don't take them.

1936
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 6: I think his baggage, I think is yeah problem.

1937
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 5: I think that's why May is leapfrogging him is because

1938
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 5: of the ball I haven't talked.

1939
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 9: I have to. This is one of the hardest parts

1940
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 9: for us about the draft is like we unfortunately we

1941
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 9: can't interview these guys like the teams do, and we

1942
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 9: don't do the you know, the background like the teams

1943
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 9: do and stuff like that. You have to find out

1944
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 9: about Caleb Williams, like what, you know, what is he

1945
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 9: really like? You know what is he what what it

1946
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 9: was teammates think about him? What it was? You know,

1947
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 9: Lincoln Riley, what does he think about him?

1948
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 5: You know what?

1949
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 9: What do people in his outer inner circle think about him?

1950
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 9: Because on the outside looking in, there's been comments to

1951
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 9: the media that he's made that I haven't really loved that,

1952
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 9: you know, earlier this year that were a little bit spotty.

1953
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 9: His dad is is very very LeVar ball like, and

1954
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 9: then he's crying in his mom's arms at the end

1955
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 9: of the game the other night, Like I just I

1956
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 9: don't know if I like any of that. But like

1957
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 9: you said, Fred, I think just all things equal, he's

1958
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 9: probably the most talented guy.

1959
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Okay, how about speaking of West Virginia and the Cody's

1960
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: on the line. What's up to Cody? All right?

1961
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 16: Hey, that's I got two things heavan whenever you get

1962
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 16: into the draft watching that, take a look at Beanie Bishop.

1963
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 16: He's a corner from which virginiay does lead the nation

1964
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 16: and pass breakup just you know, they round thing.

1965
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 9: How about this. I actually saw him play live Oklahoma

1966
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 9: against TCU. Oh yep, saw him play live. It was

1967
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 9: good there. They had a TCU had a corner too though.

1968
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 5: That I probably had like two or three of them.

1969
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 9: That that is going to be drafted and uh yeah

1970
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 9: he stood out he did.

1971
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 16: And uh instead of like say, if May is gone

1972
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 16: and I'm not really high on Williams taking Marvin Harrison

1973
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 16: and then maybe moving up and taking Jaydon Daniels in

1974
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 16: the late first round, what do you think about that?

1975
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 9: I'm okay, like I I hear the argument. I think

1976
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 9: the concern that I have with it is is Mac

1977
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 9: Jones can't be here.

1978
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 5: I like it on I like it, but it's hard.

1979
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 9: So then you're you're counting on Daniels being ready to

1980
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 9: start right away, or you're signing like a stop gap

1981
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 9: like a Jacobe Brissette maybe or someone like that to

1982
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 9: like start a few games for you if you can't mads.

1983
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 5: Theory of Davis Mills sure four thousand times. Just its

1984
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 5: like that's Matt Jones. Yeah, I just only bigger.

1985
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 9: I just have concerns about that because you you have

1986
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 9: to find a stop gap at that point. I think

1987
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 9: I don't think you can count on you know, look

1988
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 9: at like the Jalen Hurts like he didn't start right

1989
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 9: away and it wasn't what it is now right away

1990
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 9: either for him. Like it's gonna take some time with

1991
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 9: a guy like that.

1992
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, it's We're almost an hour and a

1993
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: half into the show. Paul's food just arrived, so let's

1994
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: get to that. We'll be right back after this.

1995
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2016
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,040
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2017
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,360
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2018
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,760
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2019
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 12: Get everyone a very pleasant good afternoon in here from

2020
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 12: Deutgia Banks Stadium and Frankfurt, Germany. The stabbed to Jones

2021
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 12: back in the bocket, throws down Pay on a crab

2022
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 12: bot bike is sect to throat.

2023
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 8: He ships one in across.

2024
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 12: The middle between the hashmatch at the thirty five and

2025
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 12: Mike makes the grab in front of the quarterback Jalen Jones.

2026
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 22: It's a nice job, Plimandre Stevenson. He's your scam back,

2027
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 22: so he steps up. But then he's helping you on

2028
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 22: the blitz pick guy, but he's right over the left guard.

2029
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 22: And this is an eleven yard dart. That's a little game.

2030
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 22: They run in the middle and it's a really good

2031
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 22: throw by Jones to get the ball.

2032
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 7: Get sick.

2033
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 12: Jones fake's right back by right, loves it left here

2034
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 12: in the flats, caught by Elliot, runs right all the

2035
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 12: venders here sideline bow hand. He's night down in the

2036
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 12: open field from the saving tackle made by a diving

2037
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:22,799
Speaker 12: Jalen Jones.

2038
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: It's a little flip. There was no fake in the backfilm.

2039
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 8: Mack Jones is looking to give a little fake.

2040
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 22: It's pump right gets it backside to Elliott, and I

2041
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 22: thought Elliott had a chance to be gone, but it's

2042
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 22: the guy that comes back onto the field from the

2043
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 22: outside the clips down seat.

2044
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 8: He thought he was gone. Gives it to Elliott pig

2045
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 8: Hole up the middle.

2046
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 12: Shep's a tackle at the twenty five and he's tackled

2047
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 12: from behind, brought down by Tyler.

2048
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 8: Let's given. See Kayshawn Boody in the game.

2049
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 22: Here his first drive out there walking on the edge,

2050
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 22: Matt looks to his right.

2051
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 8: He's pressured.

2052
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 12: He moves up. Handy spun down covers that Mack's his

2053
01:29:55,479 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 12: way into the sack. Dioe o'dangbo there for Gidian Appolo.

2054
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 22: See this is this is the problem with Juju has

2055
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 22: to be elevated to beer number one. He's got nothing,

2056
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 22: He's got nothing in the lakes right now.

2057
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 12: Now the rookie Chad Ryland to kick it out of

2058
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 12: a mold of the rookie.

2059
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 8: Barringer from straight on.

2060
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,600
Speaker 12: This kick from thirty eight yards and the kick is

2061
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 12: airborne of the uprights and the kick is good. So

2062
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 12: the Patriots get the game's first lead on the game's

2063
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 12: opening possession, but they settle for three instead of six.

2064
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 5: From the half yard line across the.

2065
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 12: Leven Mount the mind shooting on a huddle, the ver

2066
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 12: race with Taylor behind it, heavy set to the right.

2067
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 12: Toss goes like Taylor, touch it under the right arm,

2068
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 12: bouncing outside, Courts on bitside in the end zone, out

2069
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 12: its feet a touchdown of the lead for Indianapolis.

2070
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 8: No chance here.

2071
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 22: Sean Wade on a pick the tight end, the third

2072
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 22: tight end they bring in, everyone has toss sweep it's

2073
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 22: Katie bar the door that's a lead block and just

2074
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 22: completely spit. Stop wade around, easy flip. This is why

2075
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 22: you run ball instead of sneaking in. You have backs

2076
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 22: that the how to get it in. Give it to them,

2077
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 22: want to drive by. The Colts got your on your

2078
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 22: heels well led by Gardner Minch and he had the

2079
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 22: big throat to get it. Play on a third down j.

2080
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 12: Stas a yard deep and then the pickers come with

2081
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 12: it all out rush and he puts it away and

2082
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 12: then with nobody.

2083
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 15: Back to return the ball.

2084
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 12: Lad Shy of the thirty five bounces inside the twenty

2085
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 12: five rules, across the twenty and comes to a stop

2086
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 12: between the hashmarks at the seventeen of New England.

2087
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 8: He expins me, what they know what we're doing, all right?

2088
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 8: So you not have enough people on the field. That's

2089
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 8: when hid to run the cycle. It's up to the

2090
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 8: twenty five because I.

2091
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 12: Think they took schooler from the jammer.

2092
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 8: To try to block, and he spun dout.

2093
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 12: Sack backs his way into the sack and Mack goes down,

2094
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,759
Speaker 12: shripped up as he got away from the initial defender

2095
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 12: and then just lost his balance and Mac is gonna

2096
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 12: be sacked again. Jones dropping back, We're gonna throw. He's

2097
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 12: pressured another sack on third down, gonna be.

2098
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 7: Hit a gag.

2099
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 8: He tries to escape. Let's go six feet pushing forward,

2100
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 8: but he has brought down at the lattest scrimmage away

2101
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 8: not Ti fighting.

2102
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 12: Up his sack.

2103
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 22: Here's getting your tails, got just passed her picked down,

2104
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 22: then rush Year.

2105
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 12: They will saying, hey sack because there was no game,

2106
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 12: so a sack freighting out. This is a team that

2107
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 12: came in, by the way, with twenty two sacks in

2108
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 12: nine games and now has.

2109
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 8: Five sacks in five series. I just sucks more fired

2110
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 8: up for playing wonder off shot.

2111
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,799
Speaker 12: That snap showed her high a four man rush. Minshew

2112
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 12: moves up, throws on the go, ball's timpting.

2113
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 11: It does Bryan to timpting, Brian pitching and he has

2114
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 11: a him midfield take away to New.

2115
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 8: England the second time this year. Tomorro's got it off

2116
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,719
Speaker 8: the tip right, talk about.

2117
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 22: Gilatnie Toby Police in the middle, finds the zone. Boy

2118
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 22: was he open? Mitchen could have raid it even picked

2119
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 22: it up. He decided to throw it to Vie with

2120
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 22: the tip and Brian with the pick.

2121
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:55,799
Speaker 1: Get him do something.

2122
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 8: Now got the ball of midfield, snaps it back to Jones.

2123
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 8: He stands in the fox. I'm on hash out.

2124
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 12: Jonson now shovels it up, her hand on out and

2125
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 12: Stevens angel on the mess.

2126
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 8: He's in complain landing on the.

2127
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 22: Turf at the twenty nine line, the critical juncture. It

2128
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 22: is third down and you're filling the pressure again. Ball

2129
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 22: should have been gone.

2130
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 8: Clocking your head. It's gotta be ticking.

2131
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 7: We've got to have an inturnal clock.

2132
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 9: It's a quarterback down there.

2133
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 22: Thing street up, one, two, three, balls gotta be gone. Nope,

2134
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 22: you step up and then you did for a flip,

2135
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,520
Speaker 22: a dangerous one and for Mandre's.

2136
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 8: Tips to Stevens and chipped the ball away. Andre Stevens

2137
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 8: in safest till two hands. He shoveled this ball in

2138
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 8: the air falling to the ground. It's in it. It's

2139
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 8: you can't explain it.

2140
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: It's in explain inexplicable what he just.

2141
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:46,520
Speaker 12: Did playing fake by Jones dropping back, Tom Jones.

2142
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 11: Blow SAPs, put back foot long and black Man, who

2143
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 11: missed an opportunity for an in zone figure air, takes

2144
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 11: it away just short of the end zone and the

2145
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 11: Colts take over inside the five.

2146
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,919
Speaker 8: I got to ask at some point, the repetitive.

2147
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:11,440
Speaker 22: The reoccurring, critical, backbreaking mistake. You could be thirteen to fifteen,

2148
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 22: you could be control of the game, and you just

2149
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 22: can't do this. It is a backthrow, non pressure, absolute

2150
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 22: gift he gives the Colts.

2151
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 8: So it's not competitive.

2152
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 12: He ain't get sicky running behind the new put in

2153
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 12: the back end zone in step.

2154
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 8: What's he's looking at? You gotta make a move, Bill,

2155
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 8: you gotta make a move.

2156
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 12: Five weeks here and here comes Bailey's Applets go, kid,

2157
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 12: you're here for the Patriots.

2158
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 8: It's the right call to make here, the right call.

2159
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 8: I knew when pick happened. He said, you gotta set

2160
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 8: it down.

2161
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 12: Sappy played thirty snaps in seven series. In the weeks

2162
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 12: four and five. You're leaving Jones late versus Dallas and

2163
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Speaker 12: New Orleans, both runaway losses. Now he's got a chance

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Speaker 12: to engineer heroics. Put a long field to navigate down

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Speaker 12: for it from the fourteen. Zappi in his third appearance

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Speaker 12: of this season. Two l was a starter last year.

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01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 12: Now when a relief he snaps it, takes the snap,

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Speaker 12: he faked it, He throws down, pass it off, a

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Speaker 12: break up the ball and an interception by Rodney Thomas,

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Speaker 12: the Patriots trying to fake the spike. Sappy quoted one

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Speaker 12: down the middle and Thomas rented all the.

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Speaker 8: Way in center field. And the Golds are gonna celebrate

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01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 8: in Frankfurt. Whether it was the starter or the reliever

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Speaker 8: the last two series for the Patriots.

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Speaker 22: And in an interception, Oh, I think we're at the

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Speaker 22: point it's a hope de prier for the reliever at

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Speaker 22: that point. The problem is you see too much for

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Speaker 22: the starter in a way that's gone at too many

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Speaker 22: of those opportunities and games.

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Speaker 8: We're head to the buy and it's time to make

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Speaker 8: a switch. And now the Golds at victory formation.

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Speaker 12: Let me ask about that decision though, to call that

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01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 12: play in that situation that those are the guy who's

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Speaker 12: just coming in of the game.

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Speaker 22: Like I said, you're climbing them out here at that point,

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01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 22: you know, no prep going in and all.

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Speaker 12: That, but minshew taking the knee and the final snap

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Speaker 12: in Frankfurt, where the Patriots and the Colts in the.

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Speaker 8: NFL fun in Germany with your Buddy concludes its schedule

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Speaker 8: in Germany. Here it's twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 12: The site, the atmosphere, the fandom all lived up two,

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Speaker 12: if not exceeded expectations, and the Patriots who came here

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01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 12: hoping to turn things around at least for the second

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Speaker 12: half of the season to avoid a three game losing streak.

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Speaker 8: As a home team in Frankfurt.

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Speaker 12: Fall in a fashion all too similar in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 12: so many of us. They dropped the decision ten to

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Speaker 12: six to the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: All right back here in Patriots Unfiltered eight five five

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Speaker 1: pass five hundred is the a sticking outline web radio

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Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. It's deuced Tamara,

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Speaker 1: Evan Paul, myself back from Germany. We're talking, you know,

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01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: it's we've quickly moved on from the game, and you know,

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01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: we're really kind of talking about the buy and what's next.

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01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 1: So let's get to some of these emails that are

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01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: coming in, lots of them. And you know, again, thank

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01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: you for all the fans that are sticking with us,

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01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: both calling, emailing, coming to the games, watching on TV,

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Speaker 1: buying the apparel. Uh that that's the best part of

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Speaker 1: this whole thing is is the fans. And that's why

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01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: I was most. The thing that upset me the most

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Speaker 1: of not winning in Germany is that we let down

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01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: those fans. So can't get that back. Let's see Mike

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01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: writes in he says, love the show. Outside of the

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Speaker 1: two blowout losses, the other lie were within one score.

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01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: I was really hoping for wins against the Colts, Raiders,

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01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: and Commanders. If we had taken those winnable games, we

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Speaker 1: would actually be in contention for a playoff spot. So

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01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: what is the reason it seems traditional Patriots strengths like

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01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 1: special teams, attention to detail in other words, no dumb penalties,

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01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: receivers in the right spots, etc. And strong situational football

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01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: are no longer the norm. Definitely some very poor drafting,

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01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: but is it also because of some poor work by

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01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: the more junior assistant coaches as well? Our Belichick's kids

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01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: good coaches. Is there a scouting problem Hubris by the

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Speaker 1: head coach thoughts.

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Speaker 9: I would say that for the most part, for the

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01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 9: most part, if you look at teams that are bad,

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01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 9: this is how it looks. Not every game is going

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01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 9: to be a thirty point blowout.

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01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 5: Most games in the league are not.

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Speaker 9: Right, So a lot of the time, even when a

2233
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 9: team finishes two and fifteen or three and fourteen or

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01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 9: something like that, there's probably a handful of games that

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01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 9: are were coin flips and they and they could have

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01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 9: gone the other way had a couple of bounces or

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01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 9: a couple of things gone in their direction. But that

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01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 9: that's just the way it is. Like, I don't I

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01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 9: don't think that that's too uncommon that a team that's

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Speaker 9: two and a has like three or four games that

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Speaker 9: they probably could say, oh, well, you know, if Kai

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Speaker 9: Shan Boody gets his foot in bounds in week one,

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01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 9: or if you know, they may they pick up that

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01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 9: lateral thing on fourth down against the Dolphins or like

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Speaker 9: what I think a lot of teams could.

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Speaker 2: Probably do that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And in three of their eight losses were blowouts.

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01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 5: They lost by multiple scores in three three games that's

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Speaker 5: a lot. You know that that means that you're probably

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Speaker 5: one of the lower echelon teams. And yeah, I agree

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Speaker 5: with Evan. I think you could talk yourself into having

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01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 5: a chance to win games. If you miraculously have a

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01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 5: lateral to alignment down a touchdown in the last thirty

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01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 5: seconds of a game, you can say that what we

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Speaker 5: could have won, that we should have won that game.

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Speaker 5: I'd argue you were a lot closer to losing one

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Speaker 5: of the games you won than winning that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, be careful about what you say about one score

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01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: games because pretty much every Super Bowl was that.

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Speaker 5: Pretty much every game in the league is going to

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Speaker 5: lead into that. I want to say seventy eight percent

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Speaker 5: of the games in League one score.

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Speaker 1: Most of these games are like that, you know. And

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Speaker 1: the difference between the good teams and the bad teams

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Speaker 1: is when the pressures down the stretch, they make the

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Speaker 1: plays and and the bad teams don't. And that's where

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Speaker 1: the Patriots are these days. They used to be a

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01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: good team and they'd make those plays, and now they don't.

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Speaker 10: I think that was what's most surprising, just that they

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Speaker 10: didn't take advantage of those opportunities down the end. I

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Speaker 10: mean I felt pretty sure they were going to win

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Speaker 10: the game, you know, in regards to the defense. So

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Speaker 10: I I which game the game.

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Speaker 7: Did I win?

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Speaker 5: Which game? Did you say you felt pretty sure they

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Speaker 5: were going to win?

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Speaker 10: When they were sitting on the goal line with like

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01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 10: two minutes left and Mac was about to throw an

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Speaker 10: interception right before that pretty you know what's at that moment,

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Speaker 10: I was like, I thought they were going to score

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Speaker 10: a touchdown.

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Speaker 5: I didn't think they were going to Wait, there was

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01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 5: a lot of time left still. Yeah, I would say

2284
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 5: to the defense, like five and a half minutes left

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01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 5: when that happened, was.

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Speaker 9: It really yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Colts took over.

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01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 5: And got a first down.

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01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 6: When the big happened, it was elevens.

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Speaker 10: Haven't really done anything right the rest of the game.

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Speaker 10: You thought, you felt pretty good the Colts were going

2292
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 10: to put thought.

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01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,559
Speaker 5: I thought the Colts scored after every time the Patriots scored,

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Speaker 5: and I think they would have done it again.

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Speaker 1: He I know, he's like that. I felt that the

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Speaker 1: Patriots had got a touchdown, they were going to win.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think the best they would have had was overtime.

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Speaker 5: They might have held him to a field goal, but

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Speaker 5: I have no doubt that they would have gone down, And.

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Speaker 7: I'm surprised that you're so sure about that.

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Speaker 1: I just watched, I mean, because he thinks the defense stinks.

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01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 1: That's his way of saying.

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Speaker 5: I didn't think. First of all, I didn't think they

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01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 5: stunk on Sunday. I thought the defense played pretty well

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01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 5: on Sunday. But I think that there were opportunities that

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Speaker 5: the Colts had every time they had the ball to

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Speaker 5: move more than they did, and I think that they

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Speaker 5: would have probably moved. I'm judging on the last three years,

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01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 5: not like just nothing, not like waiting for something bad.

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Speaker 9: I'm interesting to see what you're said about the defense

2312
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 9: because I have we haven't talked anything about the d Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean I said, I still, you know, I

2314
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Speaker 10: kind of have confidence still in the defensive coaching staff.

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01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 10: I just think that they don't have game changers upfront,

2316
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 10: and they don't have a pass rush guy who can.

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Speaker 1: Win, and they couldn't finish.

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01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then that was that was the biggest thing.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 10: It's just it's they're trying their hardest, you know, with

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Speaker 10: key On White and I mean, but Barbour is really

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Speaker 10: the only pass rusher I feel like they have right

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01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 10: now who can win a one on one matchup and

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Speaker 10: actually get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: It's not try to block him.

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Speaker 1: He's not a rusher.

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Speaker 5: No, he's a past Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's the only one who he's not a

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Speaker 1: sack guy.

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Speaker 10: But I you know, digging like yesterday, I kind of

2331
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 10: nerded out on a bunch of stats, but it just

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01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 10: it feels all like the twenty twenty defense to me

2333
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 10: that they just they don't really have a stud upfront,

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Speaker 10: and I think, you know, if they did, they probably

2335
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Speaker 10: would have finished out Garderon Minshew a couple of times.

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Speaker 10: But overall, I still think that they're playing pretty hard.

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01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 10: They're they're they're doing pretty good job against the run.

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Speaker 5: I think they're doing really well.

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Speaker 10: They just don't have the horses right now, and I

2340
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 10: think that that's you know, what what this defense is at.

2341
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 10: But you know, put Jude On and Gonzales back in

2342
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 10: the mix and I think you'd really, you know, start

2343
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 10: to see a defense that's capable.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're a sack guy, Barmore is your

2345
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 1: best friend, yeah, because he's gonna disrupt and he's gonna

2346
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback is gonna fall in just him.

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Speaker 10: And doesn't move the needle. I mean, Evan and I

2348
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 10: were talking about him. I mean we both kind of

2349
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 10: saw the same thing with It's like, why is trying to.

2350
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 7: Power through guys like that is not his game.

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01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 10: It's like he's small, he's quick, he should be trying

2352
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 10: to get around guys and get the edge. But you know,

2353
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 10: Evan and I'll let him expound upon it, but he

2354
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 10: had the point. A lot of times you couldn't tell

2355
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 10: if they just had so little pass rush juice or

2356
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 10: if they're really just trying to keep Gardner Minshew in

2357
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 10: the pocket because they were that scared of letting him

2358
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 10: get out, which is kind of curious.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, it doesn't know, it doesn't make sense,

2360
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: but they was gonna make a mistake. Yeah, I just

2361
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: did once.

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Speaker 9: I just thought that with I worry that he knows

2363
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 9: that they want fundamentally sound edge setters, like guys that

2364
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 9: are gonna keep contained and guys that are gonna set

2365
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 9: the edge of the defense and things like that. And

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01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 9: when I watch him rush now, I just don't see

2367
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 9: last year he had all these finesse moves, like like

2368
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 9: he had a full Repertoirey yeah, like the yeah, I

2369
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 9: mean exactly.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 9: You know, speed rush was obviously like his base, his foundation,

2372
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,719
Speaker 9: but he had all sorts of stuff off of the speed.

2373
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 9: And now this year it's just like it's like a

2374
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:08,799
Speaker 9: speed to power bull.

2375
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:10,560
Speaker 10: Run into the wall and the guy just takes like

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Speaker 10: one step and is like, Okay, you're not going anywhere.

2377
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2378
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 9: And I just wonder if Dad has to do with

2379
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 9: the fact that he's being coached to keep the guy

2380
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 9: in the pocket and play that kind of football. And

2381
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 9: if I was the Patriots at this point, I just

2382
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 9: let him loose, like just like, get him, get after

2383
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 9: the quarterback. If you lose contain, you lose contain.

2384
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: Like Minshew doesn't seem like the guy that you have

2385
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: to worry about that, No, just get it. I don't

2386
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: get him.

2387
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 5: And I do think they played well on Sunday for

2388
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 5: they kept them in the game. I mean, they gave

2389
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 5: ten points.

2390
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 9: I thought they didn't play very well to be honest, Okay.

2391
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 5: I you know what I think of as a whole,

2392
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 5: And I thought, I don't want a nitpick because Fred

2393
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 5: just gets mad at me and we get in Samantha arguments. Yeah,

2394
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 5: I thought the reason they only scored ten points is

2395
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 5: because either Minshew miss guys or they dropped the pass

2396
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 5: when he actually got it there.

2397
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 9: I watching it back, I sort of felt the same way.

2398
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 12: Now.

2399
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 5: They were excellent against the Run.

2400
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 9: I couldn't agree more that they really shut down Run.

2401
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 9: They built the wall all game long, Guy God, show Wise,

2402
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 9: bar More. All those guys deserve a ton of credit

2403
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 9: for how they held the line of scrimmage all and

2404
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:12,759
Speaker 9: did it all without Juwan Bentley.

2405
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 5: So a point that Mike and I hammered in the

2406
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 5: postgame show how impressive it was without the one guy.

2407
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, that you'd expect to be a huge party. They

2408
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 9: were really good upfront in this game, played really well.

2409
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 9: I thought the past defense exactly the same as it

2410
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 9: did against the Commanders. And you know, Sam Howell just

2411
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 9: made a few more plays than than Gardner made.

2412
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 5: There was opportunities for half dozen twenty plus yard plays

2413
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 5: in that game that either Minch you missed or like

2414
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 5: the tight end dropped down the sideline.

2415
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, but but how many of those do you feel

2416
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:44,600
Speaker 10: like we're like four seconds into the down because he

2417
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 10: had been like scurrying and guys.

2418
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 5: But how many of them did you watch the replay

2419
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 5: and see, why didn't you just throw it to this

2420
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 5: guy right away? Oh yeah, And then he would scramble

2421
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 5: and say, well, why did he throw it to that guy?

2422
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 5: He's not open? Yeah, like I thought they could have

2423
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 5: right down to the you know, you need you need

2424
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 5: a three and out after you after you throw the

2425
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 5: pick right, you want to get the ball back after

2426
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 5: that three and out And it's third in less than

2427
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:11,600
Speaker 5: one and they call a fakacta center violation for no

2428
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 5: reason at all. They showed the replay. You didn't move

2429
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 5: the ball at all. Now it's third and six, you

2430
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 5: gotta get off the field. Yeah, they got like a

2431
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 5: thirty yard play to Josh down eight.

2432
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was that was the one that I highlighted.

2433
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 9: That's down.

2434
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 5: That's why I think if they gone ahead thirteen to ten,

2435
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 5: the best they would have had was overtime, because I

2436
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 5: think now they're gonna throw the ball in every play.

2437
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 5: They're not gonna waste downs by running into a brick wall.

2438
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 5: They're gonna throw it in every play. They're gonna move

2439
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 5: fifty yards and kick a field goal at minimum.

2440
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: Terrence from Colt's territories, I just want to say the

2441
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: trip over to Frankfurt was awesome. Too bad we had

2442
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: to witness that crappy product on the field. We definitely

2443
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: need a new quarterback because Mac is broken. It needs

2444
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 1: a new change of scenery. Unlike most Patriots fans, I'm

2445
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: putting all of these issues at the foot of the

2446
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: head coach, who most most people continue to give a pass.

2447
01:46:58,880 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2448
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 5: I know you as many people give him a pass,

2449
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:03,639
Speaker 5: is give maca pass.

2450
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: I know you all can't say it because you work

2451
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,640
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, but I know deep down you have

2452
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: to believe it's time for a change. Bill needs to go.

2453
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm all for having a new voice within the organization

2454
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 1: because this team will never evolve with his cheap and

2455
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 1: stubborn way of doing things. I'll be totally happy with

2456
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,599
Speaker 1: an offensive minded coach to pair with the next quarterback.

2457
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 1: If Bill stays with the new quarterback, it will be

2458
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: more of the same, trust me.

2459
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 7: So hopefully a free wheel in spending offensive.

2460
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: On the other hand, Rich and Santa Cruz, right Zin.

2461
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: Sorry if you've already covered this, but as a fan,

2462
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: I do not want to get rid of Bill. Being

2463
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 1: a fan is about wins, sure, but it's also about

2464
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 1: the characters. The people. Didn't we learn or listen about

2465
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,759
Speaker 1: kicking Brady out the door? Yes, Bill struggled with drafting

2466
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 1: for the last decade, but there is so many factors

2467
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: in that luck injury staff. If Brock Purdy doesn't show

2468
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 1: that drafting can be a crapshoot, then I don't know

2469
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,560
Speaker 1: what does. Being a fan is not just wearing a

2470
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: Patriots jersey. Keep Bill, keep Billy, Oh, sit Mac now,

2471
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: and let's draft and empty the bank and draft picks

2472
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,799
Speaker 1: and trade draft picks for known players that have proven

2473
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: themselves in the NFL. Still trusting Bill and loving having

2474
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: our jerky, morose, cranky leader. He is the Patriots and

2475
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: I love it. And I want to fly or drown

2476
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: on this ship that has given us the best ride

2477
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: we've had in football history and see if he can

2478
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 1: turn it around.

2479
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 6: I just.

2480
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:24,719
Speaker 5: Admirable loyalty.

2481
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, how many more?

2482
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 5: No, I'm dead serious. How much more admirable loyalty?

2483
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 9: How many more losing seasons do we have to get

2484
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 9: until we realized that he wasn't it? Can I just

2485
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 9: like it wasn't him? Sorry, obviously, I.

2486
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:38,600
Speaker 5: Think we all disagree with the sentiment, but I'm just

2487
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 5: gonna pick up one particular part. Okay, so brock Purdy

2488
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 5: is obviously shows you what a crapshoot it is, so

2489
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 5: has nothing to do with anybody that works with brock

2490
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 5: Purdy after that. Okay, So then why are we in

2491
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 5: love with Bill Belichick, who had the same crapshoot come

2492
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 5: in on Tom Brady? Because if we're not going to

2493
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,799
Speaker 5: give Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco staff any credit

2494
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 5: for what they're doing with brock Purty, then why are

2495
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 5: we giving it to Bill for winning six titles with

2496
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 5: a crap shoot at one ninety nine?

2497
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, I tell you that crap shoot in the twenty

2498
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 10: twenty two draft is just an absolute train wreck right now.

2499
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 10: I mean, I just Bill barn Yes, and he doesn't

2500
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 10: even watch the games because he just refers to him

2501
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 10: as like he refers to Cole Strange as like, oh,

2502
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 10: he's been in and out of the lineup, and like

2503
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 10: you don't have any clue what you're talking about if

2504
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 10: that's all you're seeing with Cole Strange, Like he can't

2505
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 10: play guards, Like that's the problem, not that he was in.

2506
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 9: And out of this somebody else.

2507
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 5: I ang Reduce is my new family.

2508
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 10: I mean he's standing next to DeForest Buckner. It looks

2509
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 10: like his son, you know, like and that's how big

2510
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 10: DeForest Buckner is. And he was just like just keep

2511
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 10: going like he's giving him lessons, Like I'm sorry. Like

2512
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 10: that whole draft class other than whatever Marcus Jones gives

2513
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 10: you on punk returns is almost a complete and total wash.

2514
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 9: But we could have told you that at the time.

2515
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,759
Speaker 5: But I liked about the Barnwell thing. It was eight years.

2516
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 5: It's not like, oh, he missed on that draft class

2517
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 5: last year.

2518
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 1: It's eight years.

2519
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 5: They had like two players in the top three rounds.

2520
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 9: Other than Marcus Jones. They they overdrafted every single player

2521
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 9: in that draft, Like Cole Strange was really a Day

2522
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 9: two guy that they drafted in the first round, Taekwon

2523
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 9: was really a Day three guy that they drafted in

2524
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 9: the second round. And Marcus Jones was the only pick

2525
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 9: that they went with the consensus guy. And he's the

2526
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 9: best player that you got in the draft.

2527
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 5: And really he's kind of just a punt returner, right yeah.

2528
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 9: And that's what as like a third round pick, Like

2529
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 9: you'll you'll take what he's given you when he's healthy.

2530
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 9: But everybody else on that board was like we were

2531
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 9: like a surprise, Like Paekwan was like, really like this

2532
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,560
Speaker 9: guy at fiftieth overall, and that wouldn't.

2533
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 10: Be surprised to see all of those people we just

2534
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 10: named out of the mix next year if there was

2535
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 10: you know, a complete like kind of reduce, so none

2536
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 10: of those guys.

2537
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 9: With cold strange. I could not agree with you more.

2538
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,559
Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's bad. I What I do wonder

2539
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 9: with him is if he's a center. Yeah, and maybe

2540
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 9: like when Andrews retires, if he takes over at center,

2541
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:53,719
Speaker 9: because at center you can be as small.

2542
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 7: It's the last resort, right, That's that.

2543
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 5: I mean, there's nowhere else he's going, and he's not

2544
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 5: going to running back.

2545
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 1: Friend of the show frequent email caller spiin Fresno is

2546
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:04,560
Speaker 1: getting open heart surgery tomorrow. Yes, good luck to you.

2547
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 1: Thoughts with you, he writes an he sees I felt

2548
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: bad for Mac. He looked like a tortured soul on

2549
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 1: the sidelines after the pick, even more than normal. I

2550
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: figured Bill saw that and determined Mac was mentally too

2551
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 1: checked out to see the field anyway. Last week, on

2552
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: Catch twenty two, Evant pointed to coaching points not getting

2553
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 1: through the players as a problem with the players. Yes,

2554
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,559
Speaker 1: the receivers are running five and a half yards when

2555
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: they've been told to run six, that's their fault. But

2556
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: communication is a two way street. Maybe Bill is stretched

2557
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 1: too thin, or maybe he's delegating to the wrong people,

2558
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 1: But it's plausible that somewhere along the line the coaches

2559
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,760
Speaker 1: aren't the sort of communicators they need to be for

2560
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 1: the players of today. That's a big reason to root

2561
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 1: for a younger, modern coaching regime.

2562
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 9: REGINI yeah, I mean that was my That was my

2563
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 9: entire point was like I think that people we have

2564
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 9: callers that call in an emailers that that say, why

2565
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 9: not just get a GM and pair him with Bill?

2566
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 9: And it's like I've watched this entire year and even

2567
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 9: mostly last year too, What what is Bill good at

2568
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 9: coaching anymore? Like where what about this team over the

2569
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 9: last two years says that coach is pretty good? Like

2570
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 9: where where on the field have they been a well

2571
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 9: coached team?

2572
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 10: They're an eerr repeating team, which I think is probably

2573
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 10: like the biggest indictment of what he's usually standing.

2574
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean on defense, if they send another like

2575
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 9: nickel Blitz, where the guy just flies right by the

2576
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:28,639
Speaker 9: quarterback and doesn't actually bring him down. I'm gonna lose

2577
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 9: my mind. They can't. They don't tackle well on defense.

2578
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,160
Speaker 9: They don't play like smart, fundamentally sound defense, you know,

2579
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 9: before the half, to Paul's point, like there's a wheel

2580
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 9: route down the sideline that Jalen Mills just lets go.

2581
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 9: Like everybody else is playing main coverage except Jalen Mills,

2582
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 9: and they're all looking around at him after the play

2583
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 9: like that that was your guy, dude, Like what do

2584
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 9: you what are you doing? He thinks it's zone, so

2585
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 9: he like plays the flat there the tight end just

2586
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:54,759
Speaker 9: runs right by him. That should have been a touchdown.

2587
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 5: I thought my my take on the defense was gonna

2588
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 5: get attacked by evidently being too.

2589
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 6: And then also special teams is a disaster.

2590
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 9: Special teams is a disaster. They run zero blitzes now,

2591
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 9: where like there's just six guys open, like it's just

2592
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 9: everybody's open on the play and there's no effect.

2593
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,720
Speaker 5: I printed out some of the league stats, so do

2594
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 5: you know that? I love that the twenty third their

2595
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 5: receiving team. So their average starting drive is twenty third.

2596
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: In the league.

2597
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Uh there, that's their receiving team. They're kicking team.

2598
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 5: They average allowing the twenty seventh bet like they're not

2599
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 5: good on kick return or kick off their punter. I

2600
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,200
Speaker 5: probably won't be able to find that. Now is down

2601
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 5: in the lower third. Let's put that way. He is

2602
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 5: on the he is on the way up a little bit.

2603
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 7: I see one on your back of your thing. There

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01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 7: there's a highlight. Did you highlight something?

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01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 5: No, those are just highlighted when the You never look

2606
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 5: at the stats when they send the Patriot. I don't

2607
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,879
Speaker 5: have a color printer. They but they still highlights.

2608
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 7: That's what confused me. I thought you did extra work.

2609
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 5: I don't.

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01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't do any work.

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01:53:57,320 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 5: I just like for a team. Again, I know everybody

2612
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 5: said this, but for a team that carries itself like

2613
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 5: treating that third phase of the game as important as

2614
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 5: the other two.

2615
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 1: It's not.

2616
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 5: But they treat it that way and they still lag behind.

2617
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 9: If you can just tell me where, point to me

2618
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 9: where they're well coached. Yeah, point to me where they're

2619
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 9: a well coached team in any of the three phases the.

2620
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 5: Stout in two, gapping up front and stopping the run.

2621
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,639
Speaker 9: There it is thank good job to Marcus can.

2622
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 5: I make one more point two about the twenty twenty

2623
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:30,759
Speaker 5: two JAFT class.

2624
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 10: You know how he always you know, he always are like, well,

2625
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:35,480
Speaker 10: you really got to wait three years, Like we don't

2626
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 10: have to wait through it. Like I'm like a year

2627
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 10: and a half, we're done. Like that draft class is done.

2628
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 10: It's Marcus Jones and what it does.

2629
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 5: Last year, how people talked about this draft class, Well,

2630
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 5: you gotta starting guard. He's gonna plug plug and play

2631
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 5: to plug and play. And you got Thornton, he can fly.

2632
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 5: Look what he was doing before he got it slow start,

2633
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 5: but then look what he did against Cleveland. Another hit,

2634
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 5: Marcus Jones, dynamic all pearl Putt returner, won a game

2635
01:54:57,720 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 5: for you look at him. Jack Jones picked six on

2636
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 5: on Aaron Rodgers. That was the draft class. And we

2637
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,280
Speaker 5: didn't have to wait three years then, right, we don't

2638
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 5: know now Deuce has gotta.

2639
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 9: Right now.

2640
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 5: But everybody was telling us how negative we were last year.

2641
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 9: I'm too harsh on cold Strange. It's like, do you

2642
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 9: watch the game?

2643
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 10: I mean, you feel pretty confident about he will not

2644
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 10: be a starting guard for the team next year.

2645
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 9: He will not be the start he shouldn't be. I

2646
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 9: mean the guy, the guy that they drafted in the

2647
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 9: fourth round is already better than he is.

2648
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 5: Right, So you think it'd be Mafi and so I

2649
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 5: don't know, but it ain't gonna be him.

2650
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 1: Jeffrey and Canada, I get it. I get a lot

2651
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 1: of the talk will be Mack this week, which is deserved. However,

2652
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: I think ownership needs to stay focused on the root

2653
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: cause of all this, which for me is Belichick. Mike

2654
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:48,880
Speaker 1: is right. It's the drafts, where he has been picking

2655
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 1: the wrong players over and over for about a decade.

2656
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 1: It's defenders will name the two to three good players

2657
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: he's got like a blind squirrel, but ten years, six

2658
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 1: plus picks per year, and almost nothing to show for it.

2659
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 1: It's been mentioned on this show that Bill despises the

2660
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: current college game, but news flash, ninety nine percent of

2661
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 1: the players who play NFL football come from college football. Now,

2662
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 1: ten years later, all the other teams have evolved and

2663
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: know what players to draft that will work. Based on

2664
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 1: his track record, Bill can't you can't miss on ninety

2665
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: percent of your picks and say you know what you're doing.

2666
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Does anyone in this show see any way? Bill is

2667
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: still with the Patriots next year.

2668
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 5: It's getting harder to think that, but yeah, I don't know.

2669
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 5: Be interesting. And just to be clear, Bill has always

2670
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 5: hated the college game. That's not a new phenomenon. He

2671
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 5: doesn't hate the he doesn't hate the current college game.

2672
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:42,240
Speaker 5: He's always hated college football. Screens, go routes. That's what

2673
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 5: he used to say all the time. This is back

2674
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 5: in like three when he would talk to him big plays, turnovers.

2675
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's like, I'm a product to college football, not

2676
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 9: a fan. I agree with that.

2677
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 10: The pageantry you need the professional football players who are

2678
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 10: going to take it.

2679
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 5: So I got to tell you, what do you mean?

2680
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:58,560
Speaker 5: This is probably not good to bring up in one

2681
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 5: fifty seven, but I think the current game right now

2682
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 5: this season hasn't been.

2683
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 7: Great, the scoring being down.

2684
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't find the scoring.

2685
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 5: Being down because I'm not a big I gotta have

2686
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 5: like a forty one to thirty. I mean Detroit, the

2687
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 5: Detroit Chargers game was fantastic to watch the other day,

2688
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 5: But I don't want every game like that. That was

2689
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 5: like a one off, two good offenses going head to head,

2690
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 5: making plays all over the place. Now, part of me

2691
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 5: was still sitting there saying, why the hell are they

2692
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 5: not double team in Keenan Allen. You know, why are

2693
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 5: you letting him catch like thirteen balls from one hundred

2694
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 5: and eighty yards and two touchdowns or whatever it was.

2695
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 9: Guy still play as well, you know, but like one hamstring.

2696
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 9: I agree.

2697
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 5: I don't think the league. I don't think the games

2698
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 5: have been great now.

2699
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 9: There's not enough padded practices, Like I know that people

2700
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 9: don't want it, Like I understand everybody's got the same

2701
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 9: playing field. Yeah, everybody's got the same playing field, so

2702
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 9: they all stink like you got the offensive line player

2703
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:51,840
Speaker 9: around the around the league is an epidemic, like they

2704
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 9: nobody can block anybody. They they have to find a

2705
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 9: way in the summertime to have more padded practices, obviously safely,

2706
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 9: like no one wants to get hurt, No one wants.

2707
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 5: The injuries have also been huge this year, and I

2708
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 5: know it's probably the same as always, but it just

2709
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 5: seems like there's been a lot of serious injuries this year.

2710
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 10: I mean, do you think that this is a red

2711
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 10: flag to the league of how do we pick scoring

2712
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 10: back up? I mean, it seemed like they've been so

2713
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 10: intent on that la.

2714
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't I don't necessarily. Like I said,

2715
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily upset with the caliber play because the

2716
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 5: scoring is down. I just don't think that it's been,

2717
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 5: you know, down, because the defenses are really good.

2718
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 10: The games have probably been close though to there's got

2719
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 10: to be a stat out there about how games have

2720
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 10: probably been.

2721
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 5: I mean, there was six there were six game winning

2722
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,520
Speaker 5: walk off field goals. That's a record this weekend, just

2723
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 5: this weekend. So maybe they are going to get any

2724
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 5: of these people on the phone.

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01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: We don't have time, but I appreciate everyone calling an emailing.

2726
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 1: We only got it to a fraction of you.

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01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 5: But people will be.

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01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:51,960
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01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:55,720
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01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:56,440
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