1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: With Anthony, it could kind of be a hey, but 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: we need to turn this around. And so at this 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: point I wouldn't be surprised if us any day he 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: has nothing left to prove. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Chris Catillo from Mass Live joining us right now. Chris, 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: great to have you back on. I'll say what I've 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: been saying online. I mean, they should have done the 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: documentary on the Red Sox this year, not last year. 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: It is one thing after another. We've been talking about 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: this team a lot for a five hundred ish ball club. 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: But let's start with the news here. On the positive end, 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: Marcella Meyer gets the call up. What did you see 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: from him this weekend? 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he doesn't look overmatched at the plate. 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: I think this is a kid who, you know, people 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: had very high expectations for heading into spring training, Heading 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: into the season, I think he came close or was 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: leading the minor leagues in RBIs so a guy who's 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: a smooth defender and athlete. Obviously a lot of hype 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: about him around here for like four years. Was this 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: the way they wanted to call him up? Because of 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: a catastrophic in in between the halves of a doubleheader 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: on a rainy day at Fenway. No, but the excitement 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: was there. I think it overshadowed the loss of Bregman 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, which I think is the bigger story. 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk about. But you know, two of 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: the big three are up. The fans want Roman Anthony 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: next and it's an exciting time from that point of view, 29 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: and everything else has kind of gone to help. 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned on it the Bregman Injury's got significant injury, 31 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: especially with how well he was hitting to start off 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: this year. I think he was a big key piece 33 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: into that order and really moving that thing along. So 34 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: what kind of who's going to fill the spot for 35 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: that who's how are they going to cope with him 36 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: being out? And how serious of an injury is it. 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're talking about you know, two months, ten weeks, 38 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: something in that range, because he Bregman had. This happened 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: four years ago in Houston at twenty twenty one, and 40 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: it was a big cor and Bregman described it as 41 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: a very similar thing. Obviously, he's four years older now, 42 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: so maybe the recovery time is even a little longer. 43 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: It's hard to project. It's hard to compare when there's 44 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: that age gap. But he thought it was nothing when 45 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: it first happened. It turned out to be something. Meyer's 46 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: going to play third. It seems like he's the plan 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: kind of on an everyday basis, which is kind of 48 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: crazy because this kid is a natural shortstop. He was 49 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: starting to work on a second base so they could 50 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: move Campbell to first, and you know, now all those 51 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: plans are kind of ruined. And as I you know, 52 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: as we've written and talked about on our pod, like 53 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: this is really kind of screwed up the whole infield 54 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in a big way. They were looking to, you know, 55 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: install Campbell at first because they need to fill that 56 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: hole with Cossas out and call Meyer up to play second. 57 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Now they can't do that. That extends the leash on 58 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: story who hasn't hit for a month, and it extends 59 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: a leash on Campbell who hasn't hit for a month too. 60 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a fire drill, you know, 61 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: times four at this point, because they have to keep 62 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: moving pieces around. Devers is still not going back into 63 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: the field. I think the door is shut on that. 64 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on when it comes to the infield. 65 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: It just shows you, you know, how losing Cossas and 66 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,279 Speaker 1: how losing Bregman has really affected them and the domino effect. 67 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 4: Is huge, Chris, can we now say that the defensive 68 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: woes weren't all Rafie Devers? I know we kind of 69 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: joked about that earlier, but can we officially say that, hey, 70 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: just because Raffi Devers, because their defense, Like, you can 71 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 4: talk about the offense, but their defense hasn't been very 72 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: good for a while either. Basically the whole year, their 73 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: defense has been below average. 74 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean basically for the last four years the 75 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: defense has been below average. You know, the outfield defense 76 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: is good a Bray who is a goal glover, and 77 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: right Duran and Raphael are both very good. But in 78 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: the infield, you know, I think part of it is 79 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: piecing it together at first and just kind of the 80 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: domino effect without that steadying presence. Not that Costas is 81 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: a goal glover over there, but just mixing and matching 82 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: guys who haven't played the position much, whether that is 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Romeganzalez who's hurt right now, Toro who we saw a 84 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: lot of over the weekend, or so guard or having 85 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Campbell try to learn it on the fly. He hasn't 86 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: gotten into a game yet Campbell, a rookie learning the 87 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: major league game at second, learning the speed of it 88 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: has been shaky. Story. It looks like he's taking a 89 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: step back, not just at the plate, but in the 90 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,559 Speaker 1: field as well. And you know Bregman was a stabilizing 91 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: force over there after some early errors. But now you're 92 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: asking Meyer, who again has a defensive upside, but in 93 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: the middle, and he's not played third much. He's coming up, 94 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: kind of similar to Bogarts in twenty thirteen, right, a 95 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: long term short stopped coming up and debuting at third 96 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: because of a need. This is where they're at and 97 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: so has not been great. And I know it just 98 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: drives Alex Cora crazy because he's a guy that built 99 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: a thirteen major league thirteen year major league career around 100 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: being a good defender and occasionally getting a hit, as 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: he always likes to say. And so they've switched in 102 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: field instructors like three times from you know, the time 103 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Corps has been here, from the time he came back. 104 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: Ramon Vasquez and Jose Flores are doing it now and 105 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: nothing's clicked. I think it just comes down to personnel 106 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: and just the instability you've seen. I mean, they entered 107 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the year with cossas Campbell's story in Bregman. They thought 108 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: it was a pretty good mix. On paper, it should be, 109 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: but when you have half of that mix out now 110 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: and Campbell learning the game on the fly and Story 111 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: taking a step back, you can see how, you know, 112 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: the unhered runs, the little league home runs always seem 113 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: to add up for this team. 114 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: What's the inner discussion around Story a little bit? Is 115 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: there any Is it just kind of like a hang 116 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: with him and hoped that he catches a little bit 117 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: of a heat here and regain some of his former 118 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: kind of self or is there any kind of plan 119 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: that they have kind of starting to move it kind 120 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 3: of get the ball rolling on. 121 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they tried to unplug him for a day or 122 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: two over the weekend. They've tried to do that a 123 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: couple of times, just as a reset day. Go work 124 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: in the cage. I mean, nothing has clicked. He has 125 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: one extra base hit against a pitcher, a non position 126 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: player in the last month. He had a homer in 127 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: Kansas City against a real pitcher. He doubled over the 128 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: weekend against a position player with Baltimore. Other than that, 129 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: he's hitting one thirty two with forty strikeouts over one 130 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen at bats. It has been ugly to watch. 131 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: He looks lost at the plate against you know, every 132 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: pitch you could possibly imagine. What complicates this is that 133 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: you know, he is a guy who has immense respect 134 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. He's a guy that they still think 135 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: has a lot of athleticism, a lot of talent, just 136 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: been sidelined by injuries. But for a team with designs 137 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: on competing, the question was, as of earlier or a 138 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: week ago, like how long could you continue to let 139 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: this go? But now you know Marcela Meyer a natural shortstop. 140 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: Was that replacement if they were going to make the 141 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: drastic move and say eat a ton of salary and 142 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: dfa Trevor Story. I don't know if that was ever 143 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: in play. I'm not saying it should be. It's just 144 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: a conversation worth having. At this point, I think Meyer 145 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: was going to be the guy to come up and 146 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: play short and you could figure it out from there. 147 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Now you need him to play third base every day 148 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: with Bregman out, and so the list of options is dwindled, 149 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: and I think Story might have a little longer leaseh 150 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: out of that. You know, this is a guy who's 151 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: been streaky throughout his career. Maybe the calendar turns to June, 152 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: the weather heats up a little bit more, and he 153 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: carries the offense for a couple of weeks, which they 154 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: really need a right handed bat now with Bregman out, 155 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: Campbell struggling. But you know, you look at the numbers. 156 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: He started out so great and it's just been, you know, 157 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: one of the worst months. You can imagine at the 158 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: plate and tough. I think in that club house for 159 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: a guy that they respect as much as he they 160 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: respect him. 161 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: Ft fam, you might have a boring, old, crusty, unpretty 162 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: razor and it might be expensive, so aj should they 163 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 2: consider another option? 164 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 4: Look how cool this is? Look at the color scheme. 165 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 4: Look at it little sheath what hide the blades when 166 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: you travel? Works great? I mean, using this for a 167 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 4: couple of weeks now on Harry's Clean No Bumps, no 168 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 4: cuts works great. And you know the best part, it's 169 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: a great price, especially if you use the foul territory 170 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: cod Scott. 171 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: That's right, Harry's dot com slash foul Guess what. You 172 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: can also get yourself a no risk trial. So if 173 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: you don't like your shave, no worries it's on Harry's. 174 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: They're not worried about it. Get the edge on your 175 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: shave with Harry's. Normally the trial set is ten dollars, 176 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: but right now you can get it for just six 177 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: dollars at Harry's dot com slash foul the exclusive link 178 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: Harrys dot com slash val for a six dollars trial set. 179 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: Chris, what about Cassus? You mentioned Tristan causes, Like, where 180 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: are the Red Sox at with him? I know he 181 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: has an injury history, they came into the here he 182 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: mentioned he has shaky defense. But where are the Red Sox? 183 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: What's the long term plans for him? They're hoping he 184 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: comes back and he figures out how to play again, 185 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: or is it kind of the end for him there 186 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: in Boston. They're going to try and move him and 187 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: move on and find someone else. 188 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's out for this year for sure, 189 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: and this is going to be a long rehab from 190 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: the Beteller tendon. You know, the injuries have been and 191 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: I kind of like to categorize, like are they soft 192 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: tissue things that just happened? And guys are perpetually banged up? 193 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: Or are they you know, really gruesome injuries With him, 194 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: it's been a ribcage. He tore his cartilage in his ribcage, 195 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: which I would imagine is like the most painful thing 196 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: anyone's ever been through. That was what it was last year. 197 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of surgical options. There a lot 198 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: of healing. You just kind of are you know, accelerated 199 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: healing options. You have to wait until that feels better. 200 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: This year we play out. He landed weirdly non contact 201 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: injury and it's like worse than a torn acl from 202 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: what everybody says. So I think bad luck more than 203 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: anything on the injury front. Trading a guy when his 204 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: value is just low over the winter doesn't make a 205 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: ton of sense. So I think he comes to camp 206 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: and hopefully for them, he's healthy and hopefully he's ready 207 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: to contribute. You know. Craig Breslo spoke of this guy 208 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: as having not thirty homer upside, but forty homer upside 209 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: heading into this year. You know, he's still young. People 210 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: think of him as, you know, maybe a little older 211 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: than the rest of the corps, but still you know, 212 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: early to mid twenties, a guy that they you know, 213 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: imagine contributing in the future, but you know it's our 214 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: along road of recovery and it's not a sure thing 215 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: when you come back from these gruesome year long knee 216 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: rehabs that you know you can be the same guy 217 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: they're they're hoping on that. I wouldn't be surprised to 218 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: see the mads insurance and first base options either at 219 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: the deadline with control or over the offseason, because you know, 220 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: right now, as I said, they're throwing out you know, 221 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Roming Gonzalez, who is was def made by the White 222 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: Sox a year ago, Abraham Toro who signed an NRI, 223 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: and Nick Sogard, who you know, without this injury, would 224 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: probably be a DFA candidate. So they don't have much 225 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: in the pipeline. Maybe a guy like Blaze Jordan, who 226 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: was a YouTube superstar at thirteen and has been in 227 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: their system for a while, is the guy who emerges. 228 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: But you know, for now, they're piecing it together, and 229 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: I think they have to come up with a better 230 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: long term plan there. 231 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: What's the overall tone then for the Red Sox team 232 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: right now? How would you say it? Because as a 233 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: former player, when the clubhouse likes to rely on the 234 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: older guys, and you said, if the story's not going 235 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: well or some of these older guys who aren't playing well, 236 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: they're normally the ones who pick up everyone that they're 237 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: the positive influence on everyone, the positive energy. But if 238 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: they're kind of dealing with their own crap at the 239 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: play and not playing too well, there's a lot of 240 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: negativity that can kind of creep in. And we saw 241 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: a Rev. Snyder quote kind of at the end of 242 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: the game recently where he's talking about He's like, we 243 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: just suck right now. Is there a light at the 244 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: end of the tunnel for this team? Is it just 245 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: anything that can go wrong is going wrong right now? 246 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: Or they like do they just kind of try to 247 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: stay afloat right now until they can get Bragman and 248 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: some other people back down the road and hopefully still 249 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: be in it when it comes or what's this is it? 250 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: Like? 251 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: Is it starting to the gloom to be too much? 252 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: I guess. 253 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 254 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean the rest Snider quotes I think said a lot, 255 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, a veteran guys standing up and saying we 256 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: got to figure this out, Like this says is not 257 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: a team like it was a year ago or two 258 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: years ago that was looking for you know, maybe we 259 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: win eighty four games and get in. Maybe not, and 260 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: if not, it's all about player development. This is a 261 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: team that cut Crochet, that got Bragman, the cut Walker 262 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: Buehler on a high paying one year deal that kind 263 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: of tried to go you know, if not, you know, 264 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: full throttle are all in this winter something close to it. 265 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: It was spread out so people don't realize how aggressive 266 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: it is. But Bragman and Crochet, along with Bueller, Chapman, 267 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: some of these guys like it was a pretty big 268 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: offseason with designs on contending this year, and they have 269 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: just not clicked as a team. You know, when they've pitched, 270 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: they haven't hit. When they've hit, they haven't pitched. The 271 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: defense has been shaky and cost them games. They've lost 272 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: a ton of one run games, which is as signed 273 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: to me of team, a team that turns wins into losses, 274 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: which they have. And now I think the big question 275 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: is just the line up. You know, you were relying 276 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: on Cossas and Story and Bregman to be you know, 277 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: three of your top five six hitters probably and you're 278 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: not getting anything out of Bregnant for two months you're 279 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: not getting anything for Cossas for the rest of the year. 280 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: Story struggles as we talked about. So they're talking about 281 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: ways to fix this lineup behind Devers right now, like 282 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: will you're a braw and so Jaron Duran leads off 283 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: and he's a good player. A brey is a good hitter. 284 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: They're trying this rookie Carlos Narvayez, who was a catcher 285 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: they got in the minor trade with the Yankees in 286 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: December that nobody knew anything about as the number three hitter, 287 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: the number four hitter. Has he been producing, of course, 288 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: but it just kind of shows you how the deck 289 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: of cards is kind of collapsed. They need guys to 290 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: step up. Whether that's Meyer carrying them offensively, you know, 291 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: in his debut week or debut month, whether that's Campbell 292 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: turning things around, whether it's Roman Anthony coming up and 293 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: being a middle of the order guy immediately, which is 294 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: a huge ass from a twenty one year old kid. 295 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: They need something to click. Whether it's an early trade, 296 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. But the lineup to me is concerning 297 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: because if you look around one through nine, first base 298 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: is a question mark, second and short as we've covered, 299 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: haven't been hitting. Rafaelo has been slumping. You're relying on 300 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: three or four guys, and we've seen that play out 301 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: over the last week where outside of a you know, 302 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: the numbers don't look that bad because they have some 303 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: blowout wins. They score thirteen runs against a position player 304 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: against Baltimore the other day, and so that, you know, 305 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: all those stats count. But if you watch it every day, 306 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: it's not a good offensive team and it hasn't been, 307 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: and it's going to be I think worse, significantly worse 308 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: without pregnant Chris. 309 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: Don't they have a pretty good prospect who can swing 310 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: the back, get on base and hitting wise, looks like 311 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: he belongs right now in the majors. In the name 312 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: of Roman Anthony. Do you think at some point if 313 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: this five hundred isc you know, five hundred dish little 314 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: slumpy offense ride continues, they're going to figure out a 315 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: way to force him into the lineup. 316 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: I think you kind of have to at some point, 317 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: you know, and you lose something defensively in center field 318 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: by unplugging Rafaela. But you know, he goes through stretches. 319 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: I think he's you know, something like a one for 320 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: twenty two. He was in the defense. Obviously plays he's 321 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,239 Speaker 1: elite in center, but the swing and miss to strikeouts 322 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the lineup just something you know 323 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: you can't have on a struggling team. You need to 324 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: try to play small ball, so you know, that's a 325 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: trade off. Obviously the offense defense you'd have to move 326 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: to Rando center. Anthony would probably play left, which you 327 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: can handle at Fenway in the small left field, you know, 328 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: but it's just like how much can you ask out 329 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: of rookies. You know they would be if he's in 330 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: a lineup starting four of them, the big three in Campbell, 331 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Meyer and Anthony and then Narvaiaz As I mentioned, they 332 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: have a rookie in the rotation and Dobbins. A lot 333 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: of guys debuting. It's a big ask to try to, like, 334 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, turn this thing around or even keep them 335 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: afloat until Bregman comes back or some of these guys 336 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: get healthy. So I probably would do it at this point. 337 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: You know, guys are going to have the struggle patches 338 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: in the majors, They're going to have, you know, times 339 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: where the game speeds up. We've seen that with Campbell 340 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: over the last month. I think there's something to having 341 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: them all doing it together. Meyer and Anthony Campbell are 342 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: extremely close. Meyer and Anthony have been for a period 343 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: of years, coming up through the system together. So you know, 344 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: for a team that needs a spark, the spark doesn't 345 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: really come in the way of Meyer. In my mind, 346 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: he's a great play Probably he's going to be a 347 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: great player, but it comes because of a catastrophic injury. 348 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: With Anthony, it could kind of be a hey, we 349 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: need to turn this around. And so at this point, 350 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if it's any day he has 351 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: nothing left to prove. In the Miners, it's just they 352 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: have Durant, they have a bray, they have Rafaela, they 353 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: have Devers, you know, playing getting d H at bats 354 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: every day. It's tough to find a place where to 355 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: put him. I think if they get creative with rafael 356 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: and do something they don't want to do, mix him 357 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: into the infield mixer as a super utility guy, you know, 358 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: maybe that clears the path and a couple more losses. 359 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: And I think that spark, that urgency comes even more 360 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: into play. 361 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: The rookies. I mean, it's Boston, I played in Boston, right, 362 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: I went through it. You work in Boston, you see 363 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: it every day. If you have to count on three 364 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 4: rookies in Boston, how happy are the fans going to be? 365 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I know there'll be an excitement, But 366 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: you already mentioned Campbell struggling. God forbid Meyer struggles, God 367 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: forbid all these guys. Anthony comes up and struggles. Then 368 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: what because then they've wasted their best three prospects that 369 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: are supposed to save the organization, and their year falls apart, 370 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 4: and then it might change their whole trajectory. So how 371 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: much are Boston fans worried that? Man, if this is 372 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: the only answer, we're in trouble. 373 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: Boston fans are absolutely in love with these prospects. The 374 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: hype train is rolled, I think for so long. On Meyer. 375 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he has been the top ten prospect in 376 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: the game since he was drafted in twenty twenty one. 377 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: With Anthony, it's been you know, he emerged in his 378 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: first pro season. Campbell came on last year. So these 379 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: fans are very familiar with these guys. They have extremely 380 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: high hopes for them. I think unfairly from all of us, 381 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: the media, the fans, the organization to be the saviors. 382 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: You don't want twenty one twenty two year old kids 383 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: to be, you know, cast in that light. It's just 384 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: where they are right now with Bregmant out, with Cossaus 385 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: out with other guys scuffling, you know. And I think 386 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: it's also important to the point you just made, like 387 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: for fans and everybody to understand that if Roman Anthony 388 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: is an average Major leaguer this year, or Meyer or 389 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: Campbell when it's all said and done, that doesn't you know, 390 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: tell the story of you know, what they're going to 391 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: be in the future. We've seen that play out with 392 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: some of even the brightest stars in the game, right 393 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: Judge and Trout and some of those guys. But you know, 394 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: the counterpoint, as I said, is if you know there's 395 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: going to be some growing pains and some learning experiences, 396 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: you might as well, you know, have them do it 397 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: all together where they can kind of you know, bounce 398 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: things off each other and have their close friendships they do, 399 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: and also, you know, have it happened sooner rather than later. 400 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, there's if Roman Anthony is going to have 401 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: a four strikeout game, might as well be in the majors. 402 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: Where the upside's there instead of triple A in my mind. 403 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: And you know, there's tough conversations to happen when it 404 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: comes to the field, but I do think now it's 405 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: the time. 406 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: Chris. 407 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: Appreciate the insight. Always great to have you on, really 408 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: really good info and a lot going on in Boston 409 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: these days. Give Chris a follow at Chris Catillo and 410 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: also read his work in mass Live. Thanks Chris, good 411 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: to see you man. 412 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: Thanks lot, I appreciate it.