1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: back to another edition and all the Smoke out here 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Jack was good, was good and a very 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: special guest today. Many be careful how you throw very 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: special legendary you say legendary Emmy Award winning one of 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: the most respected voices in our prints. Yeah, someone we 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: look up to and admire Ernie Johnson. Man, thank you 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: for making some time today. We know we're in the 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: midst of the playoffs. Man, it's my pleasure. Man, appreciate 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: when I got the email. Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely making 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: the time for absolutely. Man. Well, thank you. Let's jump 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: right into a man. We are in Atlanta. The Atlanta 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Hawks have exceeded all expectations. What has the energy been 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: like around here and what has it been like covering 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: this young, exciting team. It's a story, man, this weekend, 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: didn't we're telling what's gonna be going. It's gonna be 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: like on Sunday and UM and Saturday leading up to 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Sunday in Game three and then Tuesday with Game four. 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: So man, the fact that they won that first one 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and have done it every series so far. 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Go on the road and then you guys know, I 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: mean it's it's not easy to do. Start a playoff 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: series on the road and you know, beat somebody on 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: their floor team. Yeah. Yeah. And you look at all 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: these guys who it's their first taste of it. Maybe 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: they don't know any better, maybe they don't know they're 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: not supposed to do. But that's what we're trying to 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: figure out, Like what has it been of late? It's 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: not only Atlanta's young core, but it's Phoenix's young core, 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: and there's other young cores that you know, normally the 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: narrative of you know, young players in the playoffs, like 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: there hasn't been any of that this year. What can 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: you contribute that to maybe a big games leading up 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: to their NBA career or just yeah, I mean it's 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: just it's just tough to figure because I mean, just 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: look at Atlanta, so you're the five seed. You've got 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: to open up in New York and everybody's talking about 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: or look what Tips has here and look at Julius Randall. 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: Look at this is gonna be very you know, it's 41 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: gonna be tough series and then they take care of 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: that in five and then you say, okay, okay, this 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: will be different now with Philly because Philly has been 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: close to getting to where they want to be, and 45 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: there's all this, you know, just happy to be here. 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: This is what the Hawks should be. Now it's house money, 47 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: and now it's you know, it's a swing. You know, 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: it's a free swing. And that's I guess some of 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: that is Nate's influence, Nate McMillan's influence, um, and that's 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: what you have to rely on because you know, you 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: look at who's been there. Okay, Love has been a 52 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: lot of playoff games, Capella has been in playoff games, 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: Tony Snell has been in playoff games. But there's you know, 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: there's not one of these voices, you know of a 55 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: guy who's been way deep in the playoffs and knows 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: exactly what it takes to get to this level that 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: they can to you know, tune into. So I think 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: it's I think Nate's influence has been great, and you 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: know his I'm reading what he says after these games 60 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, look, everybody in the NBA has got talent. 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Every every team's got talent. He said, but when you 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: got a team that cares for each other and plays 63 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: for each other and plays the right way, there's no 64 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: telling where you can go with it. And man, they've 65 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: been showing me something. And but you know, look, I'm 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: talking to two players here. You guys know a player's 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: mindset a lot better than I do. But when you're 68 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: in there for the first time and it doesn't look 69 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: like it, I mean, where's where does that? Where does 70 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: that come from? And it's it's not like, not only 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: have we not been here, it's like we're gonna relish 72 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: being here and we're not gonna be satisfied with just 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: making it, you know. So it's been a fun story 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: to watch. Man, n Nate was tough minded. So if 75 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: you know anything about Nate McMillan, how he played the game, 76 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: you know this team is playing just like him as 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: a player because he was he was one of a 78 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: great defend the real tough minded guy. And I think 79 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: that's I think that's of transferring over to those young guys. 80 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: You know what's crazy too when you look at the 81 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Hawks and they do all this on the road, and 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: most of the the trades big games have come on the road, 83 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: on the road. This is a team the last year 84 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: when they didn't you know, they didn't even go to 85 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: the bubble, they won six games on the road. Last year, 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: they've won six games in the playoffs on the road. 87 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean you talk about a transformation. Man, That's that's 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: when other teams can't get them can buy a game 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: on the road. Exactly right, exactly right. What are your 90 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: thoughts about the Hawks and the young cor leading by 91 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: Trey Young and John Collins? Like, and we're definitely surprised 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: that everything they're doing, but these two, you're telling, two 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: young guys are really leading this team and making a 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: name for themselves. When you think about those two guys, 95 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: I think for the majority of the of the basketball public, 96 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: the diehards all know Trade John Collins, the fringe guys, 97 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: you know, the people who watch, Yeah, the casual who 98 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: may just tune in, Oh it's playoff time. And Kenny 99 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: like the other night part of our show, and I 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: will get around to answering your question. It's just and 101 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm really long winded. Part of our show is like 102 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: we realize that they're gonna be eyeballs on the set 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: that maybe haven't been there. So our producer Jeremy Levin 104 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the other day says, we're gonna have a little Meet 105 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: the Bucks and Meet the Hawks starting five kind of 106 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: a thing. You So, we're just a little little bio 107 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: page on each guy. So we cranked this thing out. 108 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: We did the Bucks first, and Kenny is just killing us. 109 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? You think we don't know 110 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: who the Greek freak is? You think we don't know 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: who Chris Middleton has said, we're not doing this show 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: for you. We're doing this show for the fans who 113 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: are watching and may not know. And so then when 114 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: you then when you get to the Kevin Herders of 115 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: the world, and Shack says, I'm never gonna and I'm 116 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: never gonna call it another man red velvet. You know, 117 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: it's like he'd rather call him OPI and so um 118 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: I think I think at that point, you know, we're 119 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: introducing some players to the public, and there's a guy 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: like John Collins, who is man. He got this greyhound 121 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: kind of a body. Man. I mean, he's built strong, 122 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: jump out of the gym. He even told us the 123 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: other day, you know, but we had him on the 124 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: game on the postgame show, and he says something about 125 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I have some freakish you know, 126 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: athleticism to he does. But you're you're looking at guys 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: like this, who um, you know, not just talking about it, 128 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: they're being about it. So you need a double double 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: and you need a corner three late in the game 130 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: on the other guy's floor. I mean John Collins was huge. Um, 131 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, they've just they've got this good young mix. 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: And while everybody's heard of Trey, uh, it's the Kevin Herders, 133 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: it's the John Collins, it's the Bog Bogdanovich. Uh. Those 134 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: guys who are who are getting it done, and everybody, 135 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of sleep on Clint Capella. But 136 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: he has nineteen rebounds and he has two offensive boards 137 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and yeah, exactly know the Gelo 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: coming and playing this old game. You're right, You're right, man. 139 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean they got these pieces and it's it's not 140 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: knock your socks off kind of personnel when you look 141 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: at it and say, well, let's look at this. Brooklyn 142 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: has boom Book and Atlanta has But when you're playing 143 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: together and you're playing for each other and you're playing 144 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: the right way, no telling things happening. Born in Milwaukee, 145 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: You've been in Atlanta, uh since a youngster. So what 146 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: is this kind of matchup kind of meant to you 147 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: personally being someone from Milwaukee and then obviously residing in Atlanta. Yeah, 148 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's that is what it is. I had 149 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: no control over any of those things. You know. I 150 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: had no control over where I was born. I had 151 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: no control over where we moved. You know. I was 152 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: born in Milwaukee. My dad as a ballplayer, baseball player, 153 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: and so he played for the Milwaukee Braves. And then 154 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: when when the Braves moved to Atlanta, it's like, here 155 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: we go. When I made or nine, I'm not saying no, Dad, 156 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going, you know, I'm going down there, but 157 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: it is it's an interesting kind of a deal. And um, 158 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: I'll always have this place in my heart for Milwaukee. 159 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: When we were there for the Eastern Conference finals two 160 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: years ago, it was awesome. People were so nice, were 161 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: back to my old neighborhood. We had a we had 162 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: a cook out in the front yard of my old house. 163 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: H people who lived there. U. The other people who 164 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: who have moved into the house I used to live 165 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: in have always been so accommodating, Like I'd go up 166 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: there for the p G A championship, you know when 167 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: we were calling that, and I'd swing by the house, 168 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: come on in, go you know, look at your old 169 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: room and and those things. Those are crazy. But yeah, 170 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: that night and it was a beautiful spring night and 171 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: everybody comes out of their house, everybody's milling around, Shock 172 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: comes by, Chuck Chucks there it was. It was awesome 173 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: and so um, yeah, it's just a it's a kind 174 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: of a unique thing, certainly, something we haven't seen in 175 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: a while in the league. Having Atlanta Milwaukee you matched up. 176 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: But happy for the city of Atlanta to again having 177 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: lived here as long as I have and seeing a 178 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: lot of different regimes and and knowing that you like 179 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: when Mike for Tello had this team, and you remember 180 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: those those teams that doctor Doc and Nick and Randy Whitman, 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Antoine Car John Battle. You know, um, and that was 182 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: a hot ticket and it's good to see a hot 183 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: ticket back. Aside from the Hawks, what players and teams 184 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: have you been impressed within the playoffs this year? Mary? 185 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: How do you? I guess you gotta start Phoenix, don't 186 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: you know? I mean, Devin Booker again, to watch Devin Booker, 187 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: watch Trey Young act like they've you know, And I 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: always make a note before a series starts, and I 189 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: look at you know how many playoff games you've been in, 190 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, and these playoffs start, and you've got a 191 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: zero next to books name, You've got a zero next 192 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: to trades name. Booker has been Booker has been tremendous. Again, 193 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: that's another one of those teams. You know, Monty Williams 194 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: done such a great job and and and they are 195 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: fun to watch. Chris Paul is amazing, you know, just 196 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: his um again, and you guys could speak to this. 197 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: I hate to preface every answer with you guys could 198 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: speak to this better than I can't. But it's true. 199 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: But just the intangibles that he brings, just the confidence 200 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: that he instills, the leading by example. You know, here's 201 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: how the game's played. Watch me. You know, I'm not 202 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: going to preach to you how to do it, but 203 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: watch and and so you know, that's a team that 204 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: plays both ends of the floor. Mckel bridge is one 205 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: of the best defensive players out there eights you know, 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: come until then. I think he took that a d 207 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: matchup in the first round. Personally's been riding. Yeah, no 208 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: doubt from that first game. I think that first game 209 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: of his playoff career was huge. If he'd gone out 210 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: there and A d had just eating his lunch, and 211 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: it might have been maybe I'm not ready for this, 212 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: not even and here at this point, if that's what happened. Instead, 213 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: after that game, everybody's talking about, well, look who I played, 214 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. So yeah, I think they've been impressive. I think, 215 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: you know, shoot, Paul George has had a great post 216 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: su um trying to especially when you lose Kauai. He's 217 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: stepped up. Yeah, I think he takes a lot of 218 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: unfair heat, unforced. He's like someone that people just love 219 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: to hate on for some reason. You might have gotta 220 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: think everyone was loving him and felt bad for him 221 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: when he hurt himself and then he kind of got 222 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: himself back to old p G. And then he's just, 223 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: for some reason, the guy that people love to attack. 224 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: And I love that he's been able to first and 225 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: foremost address the mental and psychological toll it took on 226 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: him in the bubble last year and coming out of it. 227 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: We had him on the show before the season starting 228 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: he just said, you know, I'm locked in this year 229 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: and I'm back to myself and I've been able to 230 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: love to see the Obviously there's some ups and downs, 231 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: but for overall, he's been playing great. And and I 232 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: think part of that whole thing two is, you know, 233 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: you get this Twitter beef and stuff like that, and 234 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, something happens and somebody fires at you, and 235 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: then you returned fire, and then and then all of 236 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, hold on, how did this become 237 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: the story over this? And so that whole narrative is 238 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: playing out. But yeah, he's he's been he's been great. Um, 239 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: and you know, on the Milwaukee side, you know, it's 240 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: it's like, here's your opportunity. You know, two years ago 241 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: you had it. You had a chance to go to 242 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: the finals, and you didn't get it done. And now 243 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, obviously everybody knows a freak. And but I 244 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: think Drew Holiday has been great. And I don't know 245 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: PJ having p J having that series where he's just 246 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: bird dogging Kevin Durant and talking to his mom, you know, 247 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: and that that was one of the cool things to me. 248 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Game seven, it's like a yeah, it's like a one 249 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: point game. It's game seven, third quarter. Here he is 250 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: talking to Wanda, you know, and love you too, you know. 251 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: So no, there as as in every playoffs every year, 252 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: there there were great stories. There are great moments that 253 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: you just you're glad to be a part of. And 254 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: um and then to watch, you know, I can't wait 255 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: to see what happens in this Atlanta Milwaukee game as 256 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 1: we speak here on this Milwaukee game, on game two, UM, 257 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: because part of you thinks, well, maybe let's see if 258 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: the Hawks are satisfied with getting that first one and 259 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: now let's get back to our place, or again if 260 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: if that just doesn't even enter the equation. But like 261 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: you said, they're young, and sometimes those young teams don't 262 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: know no better. Luck where Milwaukee, we're coming to win, period, 263 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: exactly right. You know what's funny too about the Bucks 264 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: this year. I'm trying to make sure our numbers are 265 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: right because but they have thirty three games this year 266 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: where they shot fift haven't had one in the postseason. 267 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: They have not shot fifty yet and yeah not not 268 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: in the game. And in their three balls, I mean 269 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: they're shooting from three and there you know, they were 270 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: that's where they live. So um, it's just a nugget 271 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: to throw out there. See if I were on the 272 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: show right now, Charles, I don't care about that. You 273 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: are your numbers. Good morning was very close. You know 274 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: most of the big market teams. All of the big 275 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: market teams are at home right now. You know, Lakers, 276 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: uh heat, Nick, Celtics, Golden State seventies sis. I've been 277 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: impressed still that it really feels like still the energy 278 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: and the numbers are saying that this is still the 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: most watched playoffs since two thousand two. Um, it really 280 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: feels like the league is not necessary passing the torch chip, 281 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: but the league is in great hands with this young 282 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: talent that is on the rise. Sure, people get carried 283 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: away with numbers and ratings and that kind of thing. 284 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm like the worst person in the world to talk 285 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: to about that because I don't care if one person 286 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: is watching or eight billion or watching our show. You're 287 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna do it the same You're gonna do it the 288 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: same way. And um, I'm just rooting for compelling series. 289 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: That's all That's all you can possibly want, is that 290 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: is that people during the day when they're at work. Um, 291 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: and they're saying, man, I can't get home. I can't 292 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: wait to get home and watch that game tonight. You 293 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: know you're not gonna get that. The series of Standing three, 294 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: Oh you know, it's just like I'm you know, I 295 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: get there. But when when when series are like this, 296 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: I don't care which city is represented. We just want 297 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: I just want compelling games. I want to much. I 298 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: want you to look back like people are at the 299 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: water cooler today. If water coolers still exist, I don't 300 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: even know. You know, they're saying, man, did you stay 301 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: up and watch that Clipper game? Yeah? Yeah I did, 302 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: and and so um, that's what we're hoping for. Man, 303 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: that's that's what we want. Nobody's rooting for teams. People 304 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: want to say that, oh man, you guys are off. 305 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: You are so you know, I know we're not. We 306 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: just want the games to be good. Man. Let's have 307 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: triple over time, Let's have you know, let's have dramatic. 308 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: Let's have eight and Duncan at the you know, with 309 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: seven tenths of the second off the board in the playoff, 310 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: Katie with his gass feet on the line, they could 311 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: have sent Milwaukee home. But instead, I mean isn't I mean, 312 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: aren't Those moments are just like wow, yeah and so yeah, 313 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: this is a great time of year for us. What 314 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: was it like moving down the ages nine? I had 315 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: no idea what Atlanta was, where Atlanta was. You know, 316 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: you're nine years old, eight nine, I'm I think I 317 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: was probably eight going on nine, you know, and you're 318 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: you're in Milwaukee, you know, just doing whatever eight year 319 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: old is doing Milwaukee, and all of a sudden, it's okay, 320 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: going to Atlanta. I didn't know if that was like 321 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: next to Brazil or near Antarctica. I had no idea 322 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: where Atlanta was, you know, because of the reason for 323 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: the move. Had you excited because okay, your dad works 324 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: for the Braves. My dad was a broadcaster at that point, 325 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, so um, it was just like, man, I 326 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: can't wait to you know, go to a new ballpark 327 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: and you know, watch ball games and that kind of thing. 328 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: And I look and I realized I had I had 329 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: this like this dream childhood, growing up the son of 330 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: a ballplayer, you know, and I'm broadcaster. Because you go, 331 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to the stadium with him. You know, 332 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: he's going there six hours before first pitch. You know, 333 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: and doing this stuff and everything. Yeah, I'm sitting there. 334 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my four arm on the bed 335 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: in cage watching Hank Aaron takes one and I'm like, 336 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: dare I shoot man? You know, I mean, I had it. 337 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: It was great. So uh so moving down here was awesome. 338 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: We had to get used to how to get used 339 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: to some accents and that kind of thing. Here's the 340 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: true here's a true story. My my mom. They have 341 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: been doing some roadworks and my mom drives over some 342 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: new paved road and all this stuff splashes up on 343 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: the side of the car. And so she says, we 344 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: pulled into this gas station when they used to have 345 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: full syrup, you know, when the guy comes out and said, 346 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: my mom says, I need you, I need you to 347 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: get the tar off my car. And he says, which 348 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: tar is it? She said, no, the tar that splash 349 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: knows that the left front tar or is it the 350 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: rod time like, oh okay, welcome. So okay. Yeah, so 351 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: that that was our first that was our first lesson 352 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: in the southern drawl. That's so growing up, as you know, 353 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: having your dad in the major leagues and then transition 354 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: into broadcast. What was that like as a young kid 355 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: in school and and and around your friends. You know, it's, um, 356 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: it's an interesting point because it was you got a 357 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: lot of that, Well, he's just he just made the 358 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: All Star team because his dad's the Braves, and you know, 359 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: there was you know, there was some of that built 360 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: in stuff like that, and or he's just doing this 361 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: because his dad blah blah blah. You get used to 362 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: some of that stuff. You realize obviously that unless you 363 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: prove it on your own, career is not gonna last. 364 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: It's even you know, it's like you get your first 365 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: TV job and making Georgia, you know, and and and 366 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: and so that's not the biggest market in the world 367 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: with people loyal. You only got the making TV job 368 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: because his dad's the bravest broadcasting. Look, people at those 369 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 1: spacetions don't care if you get on the air and 370 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: you're horrible. Yeah, they're they're not gonna say, well, we 371 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: gotta keep him, you know. You know, it's like you 372 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: gotta keep on proving yourself to move up. And so, um, yeah, 373 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: it was again, you know, it was great. You know, 374 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time just going to the 375 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: ballpark and watching him work. You know, I watched my 376 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: dad how he how seriously he took his his craft, 377 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, in his preparation, and how he treated people. 378 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: And and again it's not like he had to sit 379 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: me down and lecture me about this is how you 380 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: do this, this is It was just I watched him. 381 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: You see an example. Yeah, and I tell Dad's all 382 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the time. Now, I said, look, you've got to realize 383 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: that kids have superpowers. Man. They see and hear everything. 384 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: And so they was. They see how you're acting when 385 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: you're caught in traffic, They see what happens when you've 386 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: had a bad day at the office. They see it 387 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and they hear it, and you don't, you know, even 388 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: though you may not consciously be thinking you're teaching them, 389 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: they're learning and all times. Well, you kind of opened 390 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: the door with this, but I kind of want to 391 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: dig a little deeper. Um memorable experiences as a child, 392 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: Um around the game of baseball. You know, you said 393 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: you got to casually watch Hank Aaron takes practice some 394 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: other stories that they were just like wow, yeah, well, 395 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean some of it's like an eye opener because 396 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: you know, you're sitting around in the Braves clubhouse. You know, 397 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: a few hours before the game. You know, my dad 398 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: may be doing an interview over here in the corner, 399 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: doing something like that, and it's like, wow, that guys 400 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: sitting in his locker smoking a cigarette. It's like really, um, 401 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: But it was I think it was just all the 402 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: opportunities I had, even to meet guys my dad played against, 403 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: like Staying usual, okay, one of the all time greats. 404 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: And and you know, the Cardinals would be in town 405 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: and we'd be on the field. My dad would say, hey, 406 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: come over here, you gotta meet this guy. And so 407 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: I meet, you know, and and again this is not 408 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: all when I'm a little nine and ten year old. 409 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm in high school at this point, and you know, 410 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: and I know the game and I know these players, 411 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: and like stand mutual comes up, you know, and we 412 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: shake hands and he says, man, I remember facing your dad. 413 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: You know, he used to throw my dad through a 414 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: palm ball, which is you know, they don't call at 415 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: the palm ball anymore. But that was his change up. 416 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: You know. Now you've got circle change and you get 417 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: all this stuff. But he said, my your dad threw 418 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: me this palm ball, and the same motion as his fastball, 419 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: and the ball never got there. We just went and 420 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: got what I'm saying, Listen, how cool is this that 421 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: I got stand usual telling me stories about my dad, 422 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: you know. And then um, on the basketball side, it 423 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: was like, um, when the Hawks moved down here early seventies, 424 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: you know where they played Georgia Tech. That the same 425 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: colosseum where they where they play. It was Alexander Memorial 426 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: Coliseum there. But when the Longs down here, they played 427 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: their games at Georgia Tech. And so yeah, my dad 428 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: would would And what's strange now, my dad always used 429 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: to park on the same piece of street right across 430 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: from the UH from the arena, which is and I 431 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: drive past that every day when I go to work. 432 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I go down that same hill, and I 433 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: remember my dad stopping and in parallel park and then 434 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: we'd walk across go in there. But that's where I 435 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: saw Pete Mirovich play. That's where I saw you know, 436 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: the teams that came in. That's why I saw Will, 437 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: I saw Bill Russell, saw all these guys as I 438 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: was growing up, you know, watching you know, and that's 439 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: where I that's where basketball bit me, you know, that's 440 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, Jerry West, you know, watching all of these 441 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: guys and then and what's cool is like, you know, 442 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: at the Legends brunch and that kind of thing at 443 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: All Star weekend where you run into some of these 444 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: guys and you bring up to them. I used to 445 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: watch you play at Georgia Tech against the Hawks, and 446 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: there's a man that the lights in that place were 447 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: so bad and that floor was so hard, and that 448 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: was you know, and they and they remember it, and 449 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: then it's I And I even shouted out one day. 450 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I shouted out to jumping Joe Caldwell at that Legends 451 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: brunch and I said, man, I grew up watching guys 452 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: like this, and and Joe was there and I didn't 453 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: know who it was. And then it was like, man, 454 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: you don't know what it meant to have somebody bring 455 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: up my name again for fifty years after, you know? 456 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: So cool? Um No, that's that's where I got that 457 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: first taste of the NBA. Man just loved some big names. 458 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: Pistol was my guy. That was that was you know, everybody, 459 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: everybody was trying to grow their hair all floppy. Everybody 460 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: wore the floppy socks. Everybody wanted to shoot from thirty, 461 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, but he was What was it like seeing 462 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: him play though, and and just his game obviously before 463 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: his time in his game, but what was it like 464 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: just watching him play? My dad actually even took me 465 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: up to Athens once when Pete was still at l 466 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: s U. Because I see, my dad was a huge fan. 467 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: My dad played some semi pro basketball, so he loved who. 468 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: But he, you know, he'd always like LS she was 469 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: playing in Georgia. Tonight, We're gonna go up and watch Pete, 470 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, and I mean he just you know, you're 471 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: not talking about a three point line over there at 472 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: that point, but he just had this this great flair, 473 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, and it was like you didn't care really 474 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: who won the game. You just wanted to see this 475 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: guy that everybobody was talking about. And as the legend goes, 476 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: also he wants won a game with a hook shot 477 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: like at at Georgia and the Georgia fans pick up. Yeah. 478 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what the legends says. I wasn't. 479 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: I can't test to that, but that, but the but 480 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: the story is, yeah, he hit, he hit a game winner, 481 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: and the and the home fans picked him up and 482 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: carried him off the floor. That sounds like a little bit. 483 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was You never know if 484 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: it could happened anyone that could happen to him. Yeah, 485 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: and Lou Hudson was there's um OBEEDI in those days. 486 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean it was, man, it was a great It 487 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: was a great education in the game of NBA basketball. 488 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: What were the early years of your broadcasting career like 489 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: trying to find your footing and climbing the ladder. It's 490 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: like it's like what it is for a lot of kids, 491 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: and you know, journalism schools and you know, and that 492 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Where again, there's so many more outlets 493 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: now than there were when I, you know, I graduated, 494 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, and it was like, Okay, you want to 495 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: do sports or if you know, if you want to 496 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: you gotta go to ABC, CBS or NBC. You know, 497 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: ESPN was just getting going, you know, CNN and its 498 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: infancy and so, you know, I go down to Macon, Georgia, 499 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: and I'm anchoring the news and at that point, I'm 500 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: like twenty I'm twenty three years old, scared to death, 501 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, and not very good at it. But I'm 502 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: on TV, this is what I want to do. But 503 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: my first three jobs were all news jobs. I was, 504 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, I was a general assignment reporter after being 505 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: a news anchor and making and they hired me here 506 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: in Atlanta as a news reporter. So I was doing 507 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: all that you know, crime beat stuff and all the 508 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: county commissioned. Yeah, because because while I did radio in 509 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: Athens and I was doing news and sports and I said, whatever, 510 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: whoever was gonna hire me first, I'm going and it 511 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: was and and again, and so it's a news job. 512 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: And then, you know, it's in this business, things work 513 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: out crazy. Sometimes. A new news director took over at 514 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: WUSB and when I'd been there like two or three years, 515 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: and one of our sports guys was on vacation. So 516 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm filling into in a live shop before a baseball game. 517 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: And I come into work the next day and his 518 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 1: assistant says, Raven wants to see you in his office. 519 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, all right, I guess I better put 520 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: my stuff in a box and get out. You know, 521 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna take this guy one day to let me go. 522 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: And I walked in there and he says, you thought 523 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: about doing sports over what happened that and I was like, um, yeah, 524 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: I kind of thought I was pigeonholding to the news 525 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: and now but he said, now, I think I'd like 526 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: to make you the weekend sports anchor and make a 527 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: change here and changed the whole trajectory of my career 528 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: and in my life. You know that it was eighty 529 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: four maybe because I started at SB and eighty two. Yeah, 530 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: so like three eighty four somewhere around there, and uh, 531 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden, I was just I 532 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: was the weekend sports guy. And and that's when that 533 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: led to like six years of that. And then the 534 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: folks at Turner And that's a good thing about Heaven 535 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: Turner in Atlanta. They saw me all the time, and 536 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: so when they had an opening, they were like, they 537 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: called me and said, you want to come over here 538 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: and work with us. I said, yeah, I mean I 539 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: think that sounds good. And so could we could pay 540 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: you this? Yeah, I could do I could do that. 541 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: That's a little more than I'm getting here at the 542 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: at the local station. We get to the T and 543 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: T in that journey, tell us where elevator Ernie was 544 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: born At elevator Ernie was born at the Omni, the Omni, 545 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: the Omni Um. And that's like mid eighties, that's eighty 546 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: five or eighty six. And this is when I'm anchoring 547 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: the Weekend Sports at Channel two and Bill Needle was 548 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: the it's a name from the past. He was the 549 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: Hawks pr director at that point. So he's setting up 550 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: a media slam dunk contest um. So there are a 551 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: couple of writers from the A j C. Steve Bruner 552 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: was in there, a couple other guys, Craig Sager from 553 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: who was at TBS at the times. So Sagar gets invited. 554 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: Segar shows up wearing these candy stripe red and white 555 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: shorts that were just about exposing everything he had. Okay, 556 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: and I was like, how can you wear shorts that 557 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: that's small? And he's but SAgs and I knew each 558 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: other even back then because we'd be care you know, 559 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: a covering different stuff. So they said, yeah, okay, you 560 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: guys show up here at the Hawks shoot around because 561 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: this is when and we're gonna kind of show you 562 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: what's happening because we're gonna do this in the pregame 563 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: at the Hawks tonight. Gave us a pair of gave 564 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: us a pair of Brooks gave us neat shoes, so 565 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: I had you know, I was wearing Dominique's Brooks on 566 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: that thing, and I don't know what possessed me to 567 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: wear those. So I talked about Sager shorts. I had 568 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: some for smugglers onto they those things. I was reaching. 569 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking. Man, You know 570 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: what it's isn't amazing when you look back some years 571 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: and say, what I think kept the glasses on, the 572 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: had the glasses, had the socks up. They here had 573 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: the that was a style back then though. Yeah. The huggers, man, 574 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: it was you know, yeah, the grape smugglers as Kenny 575 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: always calls them. So yeah, so that's where it started. 576 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: And they gave us the they gave us the T 577 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: shirts and mindset elevator Ernie. And I had no idea, 578 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: not like I came out here and said, hey, make 579 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: mine elevator. You just showed up at that night and 580 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: they said, here's your T shirt, Elevator Ernie. Okay, And 581 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: so yeah, we did like on an eight foot rim. 582 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: It was. It was some brutal entertainment. But I looked 583 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: back at some of those pictures and I saw Craig Neil, 584 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: who was one of the judges of Van Joseph member 585 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: from Haydi was the center at Georgia Tech. He was 586 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: one of the judges. And uh and then somehow that 587 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: video resurrected itself on our air and now it won't 588 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: go away. So now in any slow moment, anytime they 589 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: want to they want to hurt me, they bring that. 590 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Did you did you have a conduct in real life 591 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: on a look at me? Come on, man, what do 592 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: you think touching net? You never know? You could have 593 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: been airbone in a younger day. No, no, I never could. 594 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: I touched the rim maybe, but I could never do that. 595 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: I could. I could never. And that's and that's what 596 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. And I think it 597 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: maybe if I had had what a lot of young 598 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: players these days have, and that's you know, they were 599 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: training tools and that kind of thing where somebody can 600 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: actually tell you here, hey, look, this is how you 601 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: if you want a vertical this is what you're gonna 602 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: have to do, and you're gonna have to work on 603 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: this and you're gonna have to develop. But but for me, 604 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: it was like, um, look, even though you look in 605 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: my physique I was not a big guy in a 606 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: weight room. I know that surprising, but it was like, 607 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys who were like when I 608 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: was taking pe classes and they started doing pull ups, 609 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: I always found a way to kind of get through 610 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: the back of the line every time and then they sayah, 611 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: let's move over here. Good. So we're talking about that too. 612 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: How you know, when we were younger, you just played outside. 613 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: We played everything. We played outside. There was no training, 614 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: there was no you had games. You barely had practice 615 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: like now, because I have twelve year olds now and 616 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: it's really like almost not a job, but almost like 617 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: a job with their routines at a young age, and 618 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: I kind of just missed the days they're just going 619 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: outside and play until the lights came on. That's you know, 620 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, and that's the same, and the world's 621 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: just different because you know, we used to you know, 622 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: I was more baseball player than I was a basketball player. 623 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: I played a little college baseball at Georgia UM, but 624 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: growing up, obviously baseball was my first love. And so 625 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean all those summer mornings, all your buds would 626 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: get together, you'd all walk a mile and a half 627 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: to the grammar school up there where they had a 628 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: field and you would just play. You would play all day. 629 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: You play pick up games all day. You come home stinking, 630 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 1: just horrible. You know, you're so just and so hungry 631 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: to have dinner. But your parents never gave it a 632 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: second thought. It was never like, where's there any over 633 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: Spaulding playing playing ball? You know, but it's different. It's different, 634 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: and we didn't have video games and any of that stuff. Man, 635 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: it was like, just go play. I can't know, I 636 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: can't get my kids outside like in the world. Yeah, yeah, 637 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: but you gotta. You gotta bribe them. I'll get your 638 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: video games to go outside. Yeah. How did you Nanna 639 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: Turnis Woods? Uh? They called one day. You know, I've 640 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: been there. I'd been a SB Channel two here in 641 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: Atlanta for bike six or seven years, and they were 642 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: actually looking to make me the host of a you know, 643 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Mcguy's Member wide World Sports. TBS had its own version 644 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: of that called US Olympic Gold, and they were using 645 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: that show as like a year long vehicle to lead 646 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: up to the good Will Games Ted Turners, you know, Olympics, 647 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: the good Will Games and um. And they said we 648 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: want you to come be the host of US Olympic 649 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: Gold and then be the host of the good Will Games. 650 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: And I said, okay, that'd be cool. You know, I 651 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: can do that. And then there was a shake up 652 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: in the hierarchy of the good Will Games and they said, 653 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: oh no, Ernie Johnson is not going to be the 654 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: host of the good Will Games, Larry King is going 655 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: to be the host of the good Will Games, and 656 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: and Hannah Storm is gonna be one of the co 657 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: hosts and Nick Charles um and so um. I was 658 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: left doing um a variety of sports, Judo modern pent 659 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: tat rowing. It was back at the time the less 660 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: sexy sports. Yeah, it was back at the time when 661 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: the Bo Jackson A campaign was out there with Bono's Yeah, 662 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: And so I told folks I was doing all the 663 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: sports Bo doesn't know and so, but that's the way, 664 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: that's the way it worked out. And really we hardly 665 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: talked about the NBA when I signed the contract m 666 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: but t NT was just coming into being. And so 667 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: after after the good Will Games there and I I 668 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: did some reporting for the NBA that first year. Back then, 669 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: they the Segar was the studio host at that time, 670 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: and they wanted to move SEG's on the road as 671 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: a reporter, and they moved me into that chair for 672 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: the season and I've been sitting there ever since. That 673 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: That's what inside the nbacially, Yeah, the start exactly, that's 674 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, it was the pregame show and then it 675 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: was yeah, and the postgame show was different there than 676 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: sometimes it was all dictated by the clock. You know, 677 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: it's like inside the NBA is next, but the game 678 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: went till five till eleven, so it would be like 679 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: six minutes. Hey, how you doing. You know, how about 680 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: that game? We'll see it and we'll see you next week. 681 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: But but then it really just kind of morphed into 682 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: what it is now. He's playing a picture from me 683 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: what the NBA was like in the nineties. Take us back, Oh, 684 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: at the NBA was like in the nineties when I 685 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: first got started there. I mean we're still talking the names. 686 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the Birds and the in, the in, the 687 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: Chucks and the Magic's and the Michaels. I mean no, 688 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to beat. It was hard to 689 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: beat the star power you had back then. And I 690 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, I still remember going to the workouts for 691 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: the Dream Team back in the early Yeah, yeah, I 692 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: was out there a little bit. I didn't go to 693 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: the Olympics, but I was there. It was like the 694 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: same time as the draft to so you go out 695 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: there and and Marv Albert said something really interesting the 696 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: other day because he he was thinking back on that 697 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: dream team and he just remembered the first time he 698 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: saw that collection of talent walk out on the floor. 699 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: At the same time, it was like, you might want 700 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: a catalog this because you may never see something like this, um, 701 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: but those were you know. I mean to me, every 702 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: every era of the NBA has those those stars, those personalities, 703 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: those talents that that you wonder, are we ever going 704 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: to see this again? Because I can remember I can 705 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: remember watching Michael and Nick have some unbelievable you know battles, 706 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: you know, and both of them coming up with stuff. 707 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: You said, Man, I'll never see somebody do that in 708 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: mid air Agat highlight him and then here comes Kobe, 709 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: here comes here comes so many guys who were you know, 710 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: the things that dropped your jaw back then. Events. Yeah, 711 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: you were saying, wow, we're seeing that. Yeah, and you're 712 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: seeing it on a nightly basis. You're seeing it in 713 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: February games, you're seeing a guy come up and do 714 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: something and how did that go in? And and there 715 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: was a time you thought I'll never see anybody do that, 716 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: and now you see it a lot, and and just 717 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: the athleticism in the league has I don't know where 718 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: it goes from here, guys, I mean, I don't. You 719 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: see so many things on a nightly basis that really 720 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: defied description, but you kind of get used to seeing 721 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: them now. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think it's I mean, 722 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: to me, the dunk contest is so hard because what 723 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: can you really do from here? I mean with Zach 724 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: Lavine and Aaron Gordon and Vince and all these dunks, 725 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: Like you've got to almost kill yourself to do something amazing. 726 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: And then, like you said, too, now we're seeing some 727 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: of these Challenge competition dunks in games. They're getting it 728 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: off in games. You're like, what the hell, Like, what 729 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: is Vince Carter out here doing? No, that's and that 730 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: I think, you know, the Vince in Oakland in two thousand, 731 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: that was my favorite because it's the first time I 732 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: ever heard an arena at All Star Weekend sound like 733 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: a playoff game. I mean when Vince did his thing 734 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: and did it all on a first try, and did 735 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: it so so effortlessly the building erupted. It was like 736 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: somebody had hit a game winner. And you know, and 737 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: from that height, you know that now you've had You 738 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: mentioned Aaron Gordon and Zach Lavine. I mean, they came 739 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: up with some great stuff. But what is I mean, 740 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: what can you do anymore than nobody has ever seen? 741 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: It's all just kind of a little variation, a little 742 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: spinoff of that, you know. And if you say, hey, 743 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: that was pretty original, I said, now, really that looked 744 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: like of what he did. But that's what makes it hard. 745 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know, my favorite part of 746 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: it has always been the three point because it's the 747 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: point it was. It's the part of the contest I 748 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: can relate to because I can go out and I 749 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: can go out and gym and shoot, you know, I 750 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: go out and the driveway and shoot. But I'll to 751 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: your to your point, Jack, I'll never be able to 752 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: say I got out in the driveway and dunked, you know. 753 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: So even there's a great appreciation for what they were 754 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: able to do, but there's nothing that says, you know, 755 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: I think I might like to go try that. A 756 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: lot of people think that, yeah, but but when you're 757 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: out there shooting, then it's then you're saying, wow, how 758 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: did Craig Hodges hit that many in a row? Or 759 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: how does he hit this? And in these days, you know, 760 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: how does Dame feel comfortable you know, taking two taking 761 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: two steps over half court and hitting and shooting a jumper, 762 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: not a heave, shooting a jumper, you know, and all 763 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: these guys with their crazy range. Man, we're gonna have 764 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: to We're gonna have to make the court bigger something. 765 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: That's the next move I did inside NBA change. Once 766 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: Kenny joined the crew, it got worse, you know what me. 767 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: I worked with Kenny first, and and you guys know 768 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: there's just you either have that or you don't have 769 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, if somebody has to talk, you wouldn't be 770 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: in on TV if somebody has to say, and I 771 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: really wish you would do this, you know, and you 772 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: really you know that's one thing. But when you got it, 773 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: you got it. Kenny had it. You know, Kenny was 774 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: late in his career. He was working his way through 775 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 1: ten days, you know, like he'd be on the show 776 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: one time. It's hey, Yeah, I was with Detroit. Now 777 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: I'm with so and so. You know so, but man, 778 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: he just has a gift brought it. He's just natural 779 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: and and so I was having a great time working 780 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: with him. And then when you get a chance to 781 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: have Chuck on the Shaw Man, you know, and it 782 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: looked for all the world like he's going to NBC. 783 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: NBC was right here with him, and he he said, 784 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, he had verbally agreed with you know, to 785 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: go to NBC. And he comes down to Atlanta and 786 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 1: goes out with the Turner folks one night. I don't 787 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: know what that night was like. Yeah, And so he 788 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: signs with us. And your only hope is that the 789 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: things that made him an attractive, you know, option to 790 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: be on your air is um that he'll maintain that, 791 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: that he won't lose that because look, in the course 792 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: of my years that we've had guys on the air 793 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: who you thought from watching him interviewed or that kind 794 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: of thing, he said, well, this got would be great 795 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: on TV. And then the red light goes on and 796 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: they'd rather they'd rather be getting a root canal. Yeah, 797 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,439 Speaker 1: and you know, and and they don't want to piss 798 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: anybody off. I don't want to say this because this, 799 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not. Yeah, Chuck don't care, and 800 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: that's great. And that's the way Chuck has always been. 801 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: You know, any time he was interviewed as a player, 802 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: as and and then after his playing days, he's going 803 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: to tell you what's on his mind. And if you 804 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: don't agree, that's fine. But what he's not gonna do 805 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: is is back away from it and say no, I 806 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: can't say that. He's got that over me because sometimes 807 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: they're you know, there are times in a commercial break 808 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: where I'll say something he said, oh you want to 809 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: say that on the air, I'm not gonna I'm not 810 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: gonna do that, so I'm stealing it. I said, you 811 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: go ahead, you you take that, Um, Because it was 812 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: like the other day, you know, when Indiana UM fired 813 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: Nate b Yorker and is the head coach and and 814 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: then UM in the commercial break. I looked at Chuck 815 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, they had Nate McMillan ahead, 816 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: and I said, they fired the wrong Nate. And he said, oh, 817 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: you should have said that, and I said, no, I 818 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: don't need due, and he said, well, I'm using it. 819 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: We came out of break the stories fired the wrong Nate, 820 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, so, but Chuck's got that that's not in 821 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: Chuck's DNA to hold back. Chuck's wouldn't be him with that. 822 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember when he first started doing I 823 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: think that's when you guys kind of went into the 824 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: full booth because he used to wear flip flops and 825 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: shorts and on and just have like the sports code on. 826 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: But then you can see but you can see on anyone. 827 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: Now at least they block it. But I may at 828 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: the beginning when he got on, because I mean that's 829 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: right when I was in college and really started to 830 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: tune into this stuff, and it just kind of see 831 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: his transformation um on that it kind of really find himself. 832 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: What has that been like? Obviously Shot comes and joined 833 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 1: the show in two thousand eleven. Now it's an animal 834 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: house and you have to control three of the biggest 835 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: personalities in the game. What is that light kind of 836 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: trying to be the quarterback or the kind of the 837 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: the caretaker of such a rambunct alone alone. Yeah, sometimes 838 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: you try to control and sometimes it's just no, you know, 839 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: because you and you have to know that, guys, you 840 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: have to have the and our to our producer's credit, 841 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: Tim Kylie, who was at our producer for a long 842 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: time and now Jeremy Levin have a good feel for that, 843 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: and they know I'm still going to stay out of 844 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: their ears, and during this this thing is rolling, let 845 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: them go. And then but there are times also when 846 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: you say, look, okay, we're to the point where Chuck's 847 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: repeating himself, We're at the we're at the point where 848 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: Shacks about to find him blow a you know, explode 849 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: a blood vessel if he you know, like because they 850 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: just can't they can't disagree on something without like feeling 851 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: like you have to talk louder than the other guy 852 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: to be heard. Like the other day when they're talking 853 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: about how you defend Trey Young and the drop coverage 854 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, and Charles says, and Shack 855 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: is screaming over here on my right and he's just no, no, 856 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,359 Speaker 1: And then it's like, okay, I'm still gonna stay out 857 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: of this for a second. But and then every now 858 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: and says, hey, let's just hear Charles. Okay, and Charles, now, 859 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: let's just hear Shack. So that's more my role in 860 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: the thing. Nobody cares what I think about, you know, 861 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: how to defend Trey Young. They want to hear from 862 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,959 Speaker 1: the players. But what I'm trying to do is, hey, look, 863 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna understand anything if you're yelling and he's screaming, 864 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: and then he's gonna come over and try to move furniture. 865 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: So that that's where that's where you step in and 866 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: try to just moderate and kind of guys, this is 867 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: this is a great discussion, but let's let's make it 868 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: maybe a little more you know, discernible, rather than just 869 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: you shouting at him. But you know the game and 870 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: they come out in different ways, and and so what 871 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to do is get in the way 872 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: of really good analysis by saying, oh no, now we've 873 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: got to go to commercial. Our producers are great at 874 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: saying we'll make the time up somewhere else. You guys 875 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: were rolling on him. Who is it the producers? Do 876 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: you guys help just the creativity with the show from 877 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: gone Fishing to Kenny running to the board. I guarantee 878 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: like where it is all the creativity that you guys 879 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: have any inputters that kind of just played by ear 880 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: go up the flow. Everybody's got input everybody. You know, 881 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: the three of us might have input, but it's everybody 882 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: on the crew. That's what makes it. That's what makes 883 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: it so much funk. Like you guys just having a 884 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: blast every single night. But it's everybody upstairs. I mean 885 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: it can be it's it's the assistant graphics guy who think, yeah, 886 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: it's underdogs. You're right, it's everybody, but it's lighting guys, 887 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: it's audio guys, it's and the men and women who 888 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: work on that show come up with an idea and 889 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, like we we'll have a production meeting three 890 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: or four hours before. Uh, Chuck, Kenny and Check are 891 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: not at that and they're not invited to it because 892 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: we don't want them to know what we're what we're 893 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: thinking about doing. But you'd be amazed at how many 894 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: times when they say, we're thinking about doing this for 895 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,399 Speaker 1: the neto stat of the night tonight. You know it's 896 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: based on something that Kenny did back in and you 897 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't believe. And you know we're doing these on zoom. 898 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: The number of voices that pop ups and maybe you 899 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: want to use this clip from so and so, maybe 900 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: you want to do this, Maybe you want to do 901 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: this and what's great is our producers are like, bring 902 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: it on, I'm the producer of the show. You know, 903 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: they could say that, and in TV you run into this, 904 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 1: I'm the producer, this is what we're doing. But these 905 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: guys are like, I'm produced and I've got this great 906 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,959 Speaker 1: crew working with me who throw ideas in and throw 907 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: this out. And that's why. Look, when we've we've been 908 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: very fortunate in terms of the show winning a lot 909 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: of Emmy's and stuff like that. But every time that happens, 910 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: everybody on that crew, no matter what you do, feels like, yeah, 911 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: we won that. We had a hand in love it, 912 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: and that's what makes it. That's what makes it so 913 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: much fun to go to work. Man. I pull into 914 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,240 Speaker 1: that parking lot and I know before this work days through, 915 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna laugh my ass off about something the whole time. 916 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: And we need that absolutely, you know. It's it's there's 917 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: too many people going to work because they gotta go 918 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: to work, but we get to you know, you're good 919 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: at what you do, is it right? And that's the 920 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: thing too. I Mean I'll miss games sometimes a stell 921 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: tune in, you know, just tune in to watch you 922 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: got the shop just to see if there's an international 923 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: incident created by something somebody says, yeah, to me, the 924 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: most entertaining. And obviously you guys have been awarded, like 925 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: Jack said, you know, congratulations and all the Emmys and accolades. 926 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: But like I said, you kind of have set the 927 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: blueprint to how shells can be ran. You know, like 928 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: you said, there's old school ways of this is my 929 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: way or the highway, or you kind of have the 930 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: input and take the creativity of everyone and you get 931 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: a great product with it. You know, we kind of 932 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: feel like we do similar stuff here where it's just 933 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: not one way, you know, we feel like this will 934 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: be better Jack, like, I want to do it this way, 935 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: or you know, I mean to me, that's where you 936 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: get the best out of everybody, and everyone feels like 937 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: they're a part of the of the success. And not 938 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: every you know, not every idea is going to be great. 939 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: But what are guys are so good at doing is saying, yeah, 940 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna fly, but it's a 941 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: I see where you're going. We'll see. So nobody gets 942 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: their feelings hurt and then clams up and next time says, well, 943 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to suggest anything now because it got 944 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 1: shot down because I got you, I get stuff shot 945 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: down to you know what, I say, maybe we can 946 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: do this, and then somebody will say, I don't know 947 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: if that's gonna I don't really find that very funny, 948 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: but we could do this, and I say, well, that's 949 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: a better idea. So I think you always have to 950 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 1: do that. You always have to to step away and 951 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: say what is gonna be the best thing for the show. 952 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's worked with us too, 953 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: because Chuck Kenny Shack have never made or tried to 954 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: make the show about them. They've never said, hey, I 955 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: don't have enough air time here, I'm not getting enough FaceTime. 956 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: Everybody just says, what's going to make the show better, 957 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: And that's the team environment. Look started this thing talking 958 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: about the Hawks. That's what you're seeing with them. I'm 959 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 1: not making this game about me. But if it's gonna 960 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: make our game better and our team better, let's do it. 961 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,760 Speaker 1: So that's what it's about. Three. You're diagnosed with nons 962 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: Hopskins lymphoma um battle through start doing treatment in OH six. 963 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: First of all, what was that experience like for you? 964 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: But then also being vulnerable enough and open enough to 965 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 1: share with us and and and allow us in with 966 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: your journey. Uh, you know, it's how many people out there. 967 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean I lost my mom to cancer seven. I 968 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 1: mean you look, you get into any room and ask people. 969 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 1: And when I speak, I do that too. If I 970 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: when I'm going to talk about this, and just you 971 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: give me a show of hands if your life has 972 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,479 Speaker 1: been touched somehow by that, and it's a close friend, 973 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: or it's a family member, or it's they themselves and 974 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: so um. Yeah, when I got that word, for three years, 975 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,439 Speaker 1: I really didn't have to do anything because you could 976 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: look at me and not see and say nothing's wrong. 977 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: So only a few people knew. Um. But then you know, 978 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand six, my limp noo starts swelling up 979 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, I'm gonna have to tell everybody 980 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: what's going on. And then, um. The thing about cancer is, uh, 981 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 1: the uncertainty is one thing that really it really gets 982 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 1: to you because you know something is going on, you 983 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: don't know where this is going to take you. But 984 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,879 Speaker 1: once a doctor tells you, all right, you've got non 985 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: Hodgkins lymphoma, and it's this kind of not Hodgkins lymphoma. 986 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 1: And you've learned a lot about Oh. I thought there 987 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 1: was just one. Now there's a bunch of different ones. Uh. 988 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: And here's how we're going to treat it. Then you 989 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: put your head down and go, you know, and then 990 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: you just and you lean on your fai, your faith, 991 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: your family, your friends, and you get through it. Um. 992 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's six cycles of chemo there and 993 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: UM went into remission, came back onto air and you know, 994 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 1: I've been in remission from on Hutchings since two thousand six. UM. 995 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,919 Speaker 1: And then you know, and and here's here's the thing. 996 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you're I am. I had prostate cancer two 997 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 1: years ago, so I was like, I wasn't done with it. 998 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 1: You know. It's you know, but the thing that's the 999 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 1: thing that's different, guys, is that when my wife and 1000 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: I sat down with that doctor in two thousand and 1001 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 1: three and got the word that first time, and you 1002 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: can't believe the words you're hearing. Uh. And then you 1003 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: can't believe that you're in the infusion thing in two 1004 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: thousand six and looking at all these folks who have 1005 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: cancer and you're all hooked up and you're all doing 1006 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: these drips. And then when I got that word, and 1007 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 1: she and I were sitting across from a doctor and 1008 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: it was like, we've been here, We've done this, We're 1009 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 1: fixing to do it again. And Mum, for that it 1010 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,240 Speaker 1: was it was surgery. It wasn't any kind of chemo, 1011 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 1: but it was it was just like, Okay, well, we're 1012 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,279 Speaker 1: gonna do whatever we have to do and we will 1013 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: get through this. And and without my faith, I don't. 1014 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 1: You know. Look, I had a pastor who told me, 1015 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like back then when you're kind 1016 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: of shaking your fist at God and saying why me, 1017 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, why, why is this happening? And he's like, hey, look, 1018 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,959 Speaker 1: you trust God. Period. And I mean, I'm not trying 1019 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: to turn this into church, but that's the foundation of 1020 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 1: my life. Not I'm gonna trust God if this turns 1021 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: out the way I wanted to witness, I'm just gonna 1022 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,840 Speaker 1: trust God. Period. He's gonna take me someplace through this. 1023 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna make me a better man. He's gonna He's 1024 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: gonna open my eyes to something. And one thing that's 1025 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,839 Speaker 1: opened my eyes to in terms of cancer is that 1026 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: when you get it, it brings with it an opportunity 1027 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 1: and a responsibility to help the next person through it. 1028 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times people have called 1029 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: me and said, Hey, I got a buddy is starting 1030 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: who's starting chemo? Can you call him or can you 1031 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: drop him an email that means to him you don't 1032 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,320 Speaker 1: And it's and it's all about hitting the sun button 1033 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: or or just getting on the phone. I had. I 1034 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,479 Speaker 1: had one of those this week. I just called this guy. 1035 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,360 Speaker 1: You know, he didn't know I was calling, but a 1036 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: friend of his had called and said, hey, he read 1037 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: your book and he and he did this, and it 1038 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: was like, hey, john how you doing Ernie Johnson? Wow? Really, 1039 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: I said, how are we feeling? We're good. You know, 1040 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: it's a little scared, you know, it's like, let's talk 1041 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 1: about it. And then you wind up swapping stories for 1042 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: twenty minutes and saying, you know you're gonna be You're 1043 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: gonna get through this thing. And so people did it 1044 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: for me. I'm trying to do it for people. You know. 1045 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 1: It's like there's always gonna be in that club that 1046 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,839 Speaker 1: nobody wants to be, you know, that membership. I wish 1047 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 1: that membership would dwindle down to the point where you 1048 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry about it. But it keeps on 1049 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: going and so um every time some new member gets 1050 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: in that club and you can call him and say 1051 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. You know it's gonna be difficult. 1052 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: Maybe at times it's gonna be okay. You're not not 1053 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,439 Speaker 1: to the magnitude of what you had to fight through. 1054 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: But I gotta message this morning, uh, from Dion Sounders. 1055 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 1: And I'm going through my own transformation with you know, 1056 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: I stopped drinking and smoking and everything, and a lot 1057 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,359 Speaker 1: of people don't understand it because we have a show 1058 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: called All the Smoke. But I gotta message from him 1059 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: this morning. It seemed like you always see me to 1060 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: message at the right time, and uh, just to just 1061 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,320 Speaker 1: to tell me that the direction I'm going and everybody 1062 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 1: is not mental and keep leaning and stay strong. And 1063 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: you need to hear stuff like that sometimes, especially from 1064 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: legends like Dion Sounders, because a lot of people on 1065 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: the outside might not understand where you come from and 1066 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: where you're going. But to hear people who been at 1067 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: the top the whole life multi multi sports and who 1068 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: he is as a Hall of Fame and one of 1069 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: the greats to hear that from him. It gave me 1070 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 1: more inspiration to continue to fighting. B Why I am 1071 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: so I understand that I was gonna say to you 1072 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 1: when you when you read that text or you get 1073 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: that phone messager, you get that email, and it's like, 1074 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: we all need encouragement. You know. People can look out 1075 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: there and say, well, this guy's got it all, he 1076 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: must have this, you know, and this is still human. Man. 1077 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing like encouragement. There's nothing. It's one of those 1078 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 1: things that and it hits you right out of the 1079 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: blue when it's like, man, that just made my days. 1080 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's that meant a lot, That meant so 1081 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,239 Speaker 1: I can't know's going through now. That's that's tremendous. Man. 1082 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 1: I love hearing that. How did sha how did this 1083 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: addition to shack happen? How did that even happen? To 1084 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,359 Speaker 1: the big fellow coming around? I think I think everybody look, 1085 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: when a big, a larger than life guy like he's 1086 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: done playing, everybody wants him, and and a kid at that, 1087 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: a big kid at that world's biggest the world's biggest child. 1088 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,760 Speaker 1: But if he's gonna be out there and he's gonna 1089 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: want to do TV you gotta be crazy not to 1090 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,240 Speaker 1: make a run at him, you know, And so everybody 1091 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: makes a run at him. But I think, you know, 1092 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: there were some growing pains. I mean, I'll be honest, man. 1093 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's like number one and you're switching careers, okay, 1094 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,359 Speaker 1: so nobody expects you to jump from that into this 1095 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: seamlessly like okay. But he's you know, he what endeared 1096 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: what he looked at with our shows, the fun we 1097 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: had you know, check it just happens to be an 1098 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: all world basketball player. It wasn't because he's studied every 1099 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,440 Speaker 1: player in the game or is this great student of 1100 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: of how to how to play and that's that's like, 1101 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: he just happens to be really good at that. So 1102 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,399 Speaker 1: it wasn't like the breakdown of games that had him saying, 1103 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: I like to be on that show. It was that 1104 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: some crazy stuff happened on our show and he wanted 1105 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: to be a part of that. And so um, you know, 1106 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,400 Speaker 1: and that was from the you know, from the jump. 1107 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 1: You know, he'd get on there in that first show 1108 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: and said, push up Christmas Tree over on me. We'll 1109 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: get you know, a lot of YouTube you know. So, uh, 1110 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: he's down for fun. Yeah, man, and we would. And 1111 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, it got to the point after the first 1112 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: couple of months where he was throwing out all these suggestions. 1113 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: You know, you can tease me. I've been to stunt school, 1114 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: but I could just picture him staying all this show 1115 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: and Kenny and and Kenny was like, Shack, take a 1116 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: step back. He said, Patil, We're afraid you're gonna set 1117 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,720 Speaker 1: set fire to yourself. And we're not even halfway through. 1118 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: Were your first year here? Because I think what he 1119 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,760 Speaker 1: had to realize that as a lot of what is 1120 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: funny on our show is really organic that happened, you know. 1121 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,960 Speaker 1: It's look, Shack didn't mean to break the internet the 1122 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: night that he that he told us on on the 1123 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: air live that he didn't know that the Warriors played 1124 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 1: in Oakland. Oh Man did And I'm like, we're doing 1125 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 1: the highlight live and I said, we go to Oakland 1126 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,760 Speaker 1: for the highlights. And why do you keep saying Oakland? 1127 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: I said, because that's where they're playing the game. Man, 1128 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: is that where they play? And we just kind of 1129 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: like stopped the highlight and for Charles said, how many 1130 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: years did you play in the league? And he said, 1131 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,959 Speaker 1: and he said, he said you know, I just always thought, 1132 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, we stayed in San Francisco. I just thought 1133 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: we always played there. I just got on the bus. 1134 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: You don't plan that. And and there's nothing in the 1135 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: production meeting that says, okay, look in that third segment, 1136 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: let's see if Shack knows where the warriors. It just happened. 1137 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 1: It just happened. And so um, he's learned that. There 1138 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: are certain times that he's also you know, he's had ideas, 1139 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: let's do this because I'd like to, you know, and 1140 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,640 Speaker 1: that's great. But most of the time, stuff that people 1141 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 1: find funny just happens on our show because it's just 1142 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's Kenny turning the wrong way in the 1143 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 1: chair and somebody beating him to the board. I don't 1144 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,920 Speaker 1: even know how that stuff all started, now, you know, 1145 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,560 Speaker 1: now you pick your spots. Yeah, and it's like, okay, 1146 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: I got him here, and if he turns to the 1147 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: feat turns to our charld, I'm going But uh no, 1148 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,200 Speaker 1: that was I think Shock, you know, eventually grew into 1149 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,439 Speaker 1: that role and now he's very comfortable breaking stuff down, 1150 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,000 Speaker 1: whether that's on the others or whether it's Rudy Gobert, 1151 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: or whether it's you know, what's him be doing? Why 1152 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: is he being good tonight? You know? What do you 1153 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: not like? And so? Um, yeah, so now we're just 1154 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 1: the four, but you know, we just do our thing. 1155 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: What is it like for you though? Obviously you and 1156 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: Kenny initially started bringing Chuck in, bringing Check in. Learning 1157 00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: everyone in this space now, like you said, it's a 1158 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: completely new base for them, So learning them and then 1159 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 1: trying to kind of as you can much as you can, 1160 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of control and work people in and out until 1161 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,120 Speaker 1: they have their feet underneath them. I think all of 1162 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,800 Speaker 1: that comes with reps. And I think and again, the 1163 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: more you work with somebody, then you kind of know 1164 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,400 Speaker 1: what buttons to push and you know what's and and 1165 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: it even it even affects your mind into as you're 1166 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: preparing for something, um, and you're preparing for a show 1167 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: and you see a number or you read a quote 1168 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: and you think, man, when I throw that quote out tonight, 1169 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Charles is going jump on that. And I said, or yeah, 1170 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: I throw that. If I throw that number out, Shack's 1171 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: gonna or if I throw that out, Kenny's gonna go WHOA. Really, 1172 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,400 Speaker 1: So it's kind of knowing those buttons to push and 1173 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,520 Speaker 1: and so when when people call me like the traffic 1174 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,240 Speaker 1: cop on the show, it's like an insult to a 1175 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 1: really good traffic cop, because when you're really good traffic 1176 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 1: cops are gonna wave this car through, in this car through, 1177 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 1: and this traffic is gonna stop because we don't want 1178 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: any fender benders. We don't own anybody, you know. But 1179 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,960 Speaker 1: for me, it's like, I know, if I wave shock 1180 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,480 Speaker 1: into this intersection right now, Chuck, and it's going to broadside. 1181 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: And so that's I'm like this rogue traffic who would 1182 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: who would be assigned to desk duty for being so 1183 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: damn bad at his job? And so and so I 1184 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 1: think that's what I think. That's where you kind of learn, 1185 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 1: let's let him go here and then and and again. 1186 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: It's also just trying to get everybody that touches, So 1187 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,760 Speaker 1: you don't want the story of the show to be 1188 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 1: this cookie cutter thing work here. You're always going to 1189 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,800 Speaker 1: go to him first, and he's gonna do this. Sometimes 1190 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna say, shock, I want to hear what you 1191 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: think about this. Hey, we just saw that dust up 1192 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 1: there late and a half. You know, do you think 1193 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: he did that on purpose or So that's kind of 1194 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: my thing is is like make everybody feel like they're 1195 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,360 Speaker 1: always involved equally in this thing, and knowing that if 1196 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I bring this up, he's gonna just go crazy crazy 1197 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: on this guy. So that's you know, that's kind of 1198 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,800 Speaker 1: how that whole dynamic works. How has it been working 1199 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: in someone I'm a huge fan of and I know 1200 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,200 Speaker 1: once he's done playing, he's gonna be granted. How has 1201 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: it been working Draymond? And when he comes on set, 1202 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: because he's one of the brightest basketball minds I've ever 1203 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 1: been around. You know what I told him what I 1204 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 1: told him the other day, when I told him the 1205 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: other day, because he's yeah. I mean, he's been on 1206 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: our show the Arena, you know, talking social issues, and 1207 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 1: he's been he's been with us a few times. I 1208 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,720 Speaker 1: told him last time, I said, it must be it 1209 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: must be good to be you. He said what I said, 1210 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: because I don't know how much longer you're gonna play, 1211 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 1: But as soon as you take those sneaks off the 1212 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 1: next for the last time, you got your pick, you 1213 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,439 Speaker 1: can go anywhere you want. I said, you're that good. 1214 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 1: That good? Yeah, And I did. I mean, and again, 1215 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I think people need to hear this, you know, people need, 1216 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, in this business. I think think what goes 1217 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 1: on a lot of times is somebody may not be 1218 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 1: doing the greatest possible job they can be doing, but 1219 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 1: they're not getting any input you know. There It's like 1220 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,360 Speaker 1: you're out there to sink or swim, you know, if 1221 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna keep making the same mistakes. And maybe people 1222 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: are just too reverential and not not going to bring 1223 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 1: it up and say, hey, you might want to do this, 1224 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,000 Speaker 1: it might make you better. Well, what are you doing 1225 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: telling me? For me? I think it's I think it's Look, 1226 01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: you need to tell people when they're doing great and 1227 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,440 Speaker 1: when and I think you need to tell them, you know, 1228 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,920 Speaker 1: what you could how you could really be better is 1229 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 1: if you did this, you know, and just and that's 1230 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,919 Speaker 1: just my opinion, you know. And but what I told 1231 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,920 Speaker 1: I told Dreaman and and he probably already knew it, 1232 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: but I told him, I said, you write your ticket. 1233 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,640 Speaker 1: You can write your ticket right now. Well, opinion coming 1234 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,040 Speaker 1: from you and and and that in that space, that's 1235 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,640 Speaker 1: more than opinion. That's that's the best advice you can get. 1236 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 1: But man, I mean he's good. I mean, he speaks 1237 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,600 Speaker 1: his mind. He and for him, he just jumped right 1238 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 1: into the of our show too. It's like he's sitting 1239 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,720 Speaker 1: in you know, earlier in the playoffs, each of the 1240 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: guys took a night off, so we moved from this 1241 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: chair to this chair to this chair. And he's great 1242 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,880 Speaker 1: in every chair. No, you no, it has great stuff 1243 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,720 Speaker 1: to say. And again like Chuck not holding anything back. Hey, 1244 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,439 Speaker 1: this out for you, you know. Stand and when Chuck says, 1245 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: I like the Bucks to win the whole thing, you know, no, 1246 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: I asked, I asked Draymond, So he got coming out 1247 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,480 Speaker 1: of the East. He said, seriously, yeah, well Crookland, he said, 1248 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: you know when and this is when all three you're 1249 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: going to play it again. And and Chuck's like, I 1250 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,800 Speaker 1: got the Bucks coming on He's and his just his 1251 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: word was just good luck, Chuck, you know. And again 1252 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,440 Speaker 1: things change because of what what goes on with injuries 1253 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,480 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. Who gets eliminated. But to 1254 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 1: the original point, Draymond Green, yeah, oh yeah, great, shut 1255 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,560 Speaker 1: out Draymond. You guys haven't had the unfortunate duty of 1256 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: being live on air with the Kobe tragedy. What was 1257 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,120 Speaker 1: the emotion like and energy like and how tough was 1258 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,440 Speaker 1: it to be able to get through that particular night. 1259 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,439 Speaker 1: I've never been in a show like that, I mean, 1260 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 1: in thirty one years. It was the most unique show 1261 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 1: ever ever hosted. And because it was so fresh from 1262 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it happens Sunday, We're in l A Tuesday, 1263 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: and we are in the middle of Staples Center empty 1264 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: just to talk about it. Shack hadn't even talked to 1265 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,080 Speaker 1: anybody about it at that point. Um, Jerry West is 1266 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 1: on the show. Uh, we just had other voices. I 1267 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: think Rick Fox was on that show at some point, 1268 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: and it was just you know what, it was one 1269 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,479 Speaker 1: of those days where it just told you that job 1270 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:06,919 Speaker 1: we're doing sometimes can can go above and beyond being 1271 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 1: just a basketball show. Because everybody in the country was 1272 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: kind of come into grips with how do you deal 1273 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: with this? How do we how do we deal with 1274 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 1: these emotions were feeling And for for Shock to be 1275 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,080 Speaker 1: sitting there and just pour his heart out, Jerry West 1276 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 1: do the same thing, Chuck Kinny. I mean, I can't 1277 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,640 Speaker 1: even put into words how impactful that was for us 1278 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: to do it, and just by gauging the reaction of 1279 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,200 Speaker 1: people that it helps some people get through it too. Um. 1280 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,120 Speaker 1: And that's not to put any self importance on us, like, 1281 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,280 Speaker 1: oh look what we It was just it was good 1282 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,080 Speaker 1: for us all to talk about it to lock eyes 1283 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: and say, yeah, man, it hurts. I hope we never 1284 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: have to do another one for me, right, you know, 1285 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,800 Speaker 1: just thinking about it right now, and it's still I 1286 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,880 Speaker 1: have to even talk about Yeah, I mean, I mean 1287 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Jerry was sitting there, you know, talking about what was 1288 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,040 Speaker 1: going through his mind when he decided that he had 1289 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,480 Speaker 1: to have Kobe Bryant, you know, and those first few 1290 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,200 Speaker 1: years of and how tight they were. You know, the 1291 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,800 Speaker 1: tears start coming, and and we're not there to stop him, right, 1292 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 1: We're just there to kind of put a hand on 1293 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,280 Speaker 1: his shoulder and say, right, this is what you're doing. 1294 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,640 Speaker 1: And and and you know, and you know who gets 1295 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,480 Speaker 1: a lot of credit who and you may not know 1296 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,080 Speaker 1: this story, you know it gets a lot of credit 1297 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: for the way that show came off is the folks, 1298 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, like our salespeople. Because we're supposed to do 1299 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 1: like a four or five segment show, our pregame show 1300 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,840 Speaker 1: leading up to the game that we're going to show 1301 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,880 Speaker 1: that night, and we didn't take a commercial break. Maybe 1302 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 1: we took one and so like our producer Jeremy was 1303 01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: calling them and saying, I don't think I can cut that, 1304 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,640 Speaker 1: we can't stop this, we can't stop this and then 1305 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: go to commercial and come back and they said, just 1306 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,920 Speaker 1: go wow. And that's and that was one of those 1307 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 1: things where it said, I don't care what this does 1308 01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,840 Speaker 1: in terms of the sponsors in the bottom line, and 1309 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,120 Speaker 1: we value the sponsors and all that stuff, and I 1310 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 1: know they're supposed to get this, but the recognition that 1311 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: this is special. Yeah, and we're not going to cut 1312 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 1: somebody off because we've got to get to commercial and 1313 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: somebody maybe struggling to get the words out and we 1314 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: don't care if they're gonna sit for thirty seconds and 1315 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,800 Speaker 1: gather their thoughts. That silence was speaking volumes. Man, It's real. 1316 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,880 Speaker 1: It was Oh man, it was quiet. Yeah, I'm pitching 1317 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,120 Speaker 1: this show in my mind, and I mean I was 1318 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,880 Speaker 1: watching the two and I was going through a tough 1319 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,559 Speaker 1: time at that time and even just dealing with it. 1320 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,320 Speaker 1: But you write it did help a lot of people. Yeah, 1321 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,960 Speaker 1: it did help a lot of people. Do you have 1322 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,760 Speaker 1: any good in any Kobe stories that come to mind 1323 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,240 Speaker 1: while he was here? You know, I just, Um, we 1324 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: sat down in his in his last season over holding 1325 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,080 Speaker 1: the team hotel, you know, sat down there for a 1326 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: half hour just kind of talk, you know, and UM 1327 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,679 Speaker 1: did that for a piece. Um. I just I loved 1328 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,880 Speaker 1: talking to him because you knew you weren't going to 1329 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:26,519 Speaker 1: get the Spaulding Guide to Interview answers from him that 1330 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: that would say, Okay, yeah, just page forty two paragraph 1331 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,920 Speaker 1: B that's the answer. He thought. He thought through everything 1332 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:42,559 Speaker 1: you asked. He was such a thoughtful and wise beyond 1333 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,160 Speaker 1: his years guy that you always enjoyed talking to him. 1334 01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,840 Speaker 1: You know. We had him in the studio one night 1335 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,680 Speaker 1: after you know, after Chuck had called himselfish, you know, 1336 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: during those during a playoff series. He came on, he 1337 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 1: came into Atlanta, came on the set part of the crew, 1338 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,639 Speaker 1: and I remember sitting in the green room. We were 1339 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: talking about favorite vacation spots and he's talking about places. 1340 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I said, man, I want to want to take my 1341 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,080 Speaker 1: wife to Italy, you know, and he's like, oh, here's 1342 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 1: what you gotta do. It was it was that kind 1343 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,759 Speaker 1: of stuff, and it was it was just his thoughtful way, 1344 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,120 Speaker 1: and it was you know, I and I remember when 1345 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:25,519 Speaker 1: I when I finished chemo and I was still bald 1346 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,719 Speaker 1: and we're doing Opening Night and his was the last 1347 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,000 Speaker 1: voice on a welcome back video that they did for me, 1348 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,400 Speaker 1: and he's here said hey, welcome to the brotherhood. I 1349 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 1: was like, man, this is a yes. Absolutely the rest 1350 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,760 Speaker 1: in peace to our brother um. Throughout the show, we 1351 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,720 Speaker 1: started the show talking about you know you kind of 1352 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,400 Speaker 1: piggybacking with your dad and fatherhood. Um, you're a father 1353 01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,840 Speaker 1: of six to biological four adopted. UM. I find that 1354 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,240 Speaker 1: very instnctus in My mom wanted to do was adopt, 1355 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,640 Speaker 1: but unfortunately she passed from cancer and oh seven, So 1356 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,559 Speaker 1: talk to us about just fatherhood, everything you fought through 1357 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: in your personal health life to still be here and 1358 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,799 Speaker 1: be the father you are and your children. For your children, 1359 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean Sheryl Anne and I are blessed, you know, 1360 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:24,080 Speaker 1: and and she you know, you have a boy and 1361 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,599 Speaker 1: a girl. You know, you get married n eighty two, 1362 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 1: you got a boy in eighty four, you got a 1363 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,400 Speaker 1: girl in eighty seven, and it's like, okay, we're set, good, 1364 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: let's not let's not mess with that. You know, that's 1365 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 1: and that's you know, then the unscripted part of your 1366 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,880 Speaker 1: life kind of kicks in because my you know, my 1367 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,880 Speaker 1: wife is just this has this wonderful heart. And but 1368 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,920 Speaker 1: we know because you talked about it so highly on 1369 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,600 Speaker 1: the show. We we we all feel like we know 1370 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: your wife. I know, well, I apologize for doing but 1371 01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,920 Speaker 1: she's like, I come home from work one day and 1372 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,960 Speaker 1: she says, you know what we need to do, and 1373 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, chicken or fish, whatever you feel like, I'll 1374 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,640 Speaker 1: eat anything. And she's like, like, we need to go 1375 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,519 Speaker 1: to Romania and get one of these kids out of 1376 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,280 Speaker 1: an orphanage over there, because she had seen the ABC 1377 01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 1: News about these kids just warehoused in this thing and 1378 01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,960 Speaker 1: you know on their special needs kids, they're being forgotten 1379 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,240 Speaker 1: and and so we wind up, you know, she goes, 1380 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,120 Speaker 1: I stay here. I'm in Atlanta with our kids who 1381 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,599 Speaker 1: were like three and seven at their four and seven 1382 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,360 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, so I'm taking care of them. 1383 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,040 Speaker 1: She's more worried about them than she is about her 1384 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: trip to Romania. She's like, man, I'm gonna come home 1385 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,040 Speaker 1: and those kids are not gonna have had a vegetable 1386 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: two months. Yeah. But yeah, so we had a lot 1387 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 1: of we had a lot of pizza and and uh 1388 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,760 Speaker 1: putt putt while she's over there. But she goes over 1389 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,840 Speaker 1: there and finds this this little boy who's got all 1390 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,479 Speaker 1: these issues and and calls me from Romanian says, I 1391 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,439 Speaker 1: don't know of what I can we This boy is 1392 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,120 Speaker 1: so much more than we can handle. He's three years old. 1393 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,320 Speaker 1: He can't walk, he can't talk, and he said, but 1394 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,080 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine going the rest of my life 1395 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,519 Speaker 1: wondering what happened to this. I was like, bring him home, 1396 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 1: and he was, you know, he had issues, still does 1397 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean? And then he gets diagnosed with muscular dystrophy 1398 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and there's no cure for that. And most of the 1399 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: time a lot of times kids don't get out of 1400 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,679 Speaker 1: their teams. Got thirty two now, man, But I got 1401 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,759 Speaker 1: this thirty two year old miracle at my house and 1402 01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:33,519 Speaker 1: and he he's on a ventilator. Um, you know, I 1403 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:39,880 Speaker 1: can't do anything on his own. But he's amazing. And no, 1404 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,760 Speaker 1: you know what, God's amazing, you know, but it's you know, 1405 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,559 Speaker 1: they'll be adopted. Little girl from Paraguay, Carmen. She's adopted 1406 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,599 Speaker 1: two kids out of foster care in Ohio who are 1407 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:58,760 Speaker 1: now but we've you know, it's not because me and 1408 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Sheryl great, and then we don't do this for any 1409 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,960 Speaker 1: pats on the back. It's just like everybody, there's value 1410 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,759 Speaker 1: and everybody there if you will look for it. There's 1411 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,160 Speaker 1: value and everybody and and they all and everybody deserves 1412 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,439 Speaker 1: a chance to shine and a chance to be what 1413 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 1: they can be. And so I think that's what has 1414 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,480 Speaker 1: always been at the root of our heart for adoption, 1415 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,120 Speaker 1: is that let's give somebody a chance, you know that, 1416 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, let's give this Romanian kid a chance. That 1417 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,320 Speaker 1: he was abandoned in a park when he was born, 1418 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, the first time he'd been outside when my 1419 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 1: wife took him outside in that orphanage when he was 1420 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,040 Speaker 1: three years old, the first time he was outside since 1421 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,120 Speaker 1: he was found in a park. And so I think 1422 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 1: that we've just we've just tried to teach our kids 1423 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,720 Speaker 1: and that there's value. Look for the value, don't look 1424 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 1: for the things that that tell you, oh this, you know. Shoot, 1425 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,600 Speaker 1: the nurse who brought Michael out to share all the 1426 01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: first time that they meant said don't take this boy. 1427 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,200 Speaker 1: He's no good. M hm. And so we you know, 1428 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 1: this boy who's no good has impacted so many people 1429 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,519 Speaker 1: just with his life and so um no, we got it, 1430 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,880 Speaker 1: good man. And I got four grand kids now too, 1431 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:24,880 Speaker 1: so Grandpa Poppy's poppy, Poppy Poppy. And my life is good. 1432 01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 1: Fellas you know, I get to work with these guys, 1433 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:33,479 Speaker 1: but my life is great. And that's with the cancer, 1434 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,160 Speaker 1: that's with all the other stuff, that's with Michael's situation. 1435 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:45,719 Speaker 1: Got a great life. That is good. Quick hitters. Coming 1436 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,519 Speaker 1: down to the tell and the first thing actually, before 1437 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,400 Speaker 1: we get to that, I wanted to ask the question, 1438 01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:55,360 Speaker 1: when did you know that inside the NBA was a 1439 01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:00,920 Speaker 1: big deal? Sometimes I think sometimes that comes with you 1440 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,519 Speaker 1: just here, just here and talk, you know, just hearing 1441 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,559 Speaker 1: people talk, hearing players talk, you know here and you 1442 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,840 Speaker 1: know whatever it is, you know, people saying hey, that's 1443 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 1: or sometimes you know it's the being nominated for you know, 1444 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 1: when the Emmy's come up and nominations and some wins, 1445 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, well maybe we do have something going hunter, 1446 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,640 Speaker 1: but you do you never get so carried away with 1447 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,440 Speaker 1: it when you're starting that it's like, oh, yeah, I'm 1448 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,880 Speaker 1: a big deal. I'm on inside the NBA. Well what's 1449 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,800 Speaker 1: inside the NBA? Know? I think I think just in 1450 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 1: time it becoming kind of a part of the fabric 1451 01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,680 Speaker 1: of the n b A and uh, you know, and 1452 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I think I think that it's very humbling to have 1453 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,080 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, you know, create an award, this 1454 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,080 Speaker 1: Transformative Media Award that they give to Inside the NBA. 1455 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,799 Speaker 1: Because it's been it's become part of the part. But again, 1456 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't it doesn't happen overnight. And I and I 1457 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,760 Speaker 1: to pinpoint the time where I thought, hey, this show 1458 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 1: is something I don't know. I just actually, I mean 1459 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,280 Speaker 1: when probably a couple of years into Chuck's tenure. He's 1460 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,720 Speaker 1: been there twenty years now, but you know, and that's 1461 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,920 Speaker 1: when that's when it started to be like, man, I 1462 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,920 Speaker 1: can't get away from people talking about Inside the NBA. 1463 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Then you kind of feel like, yeah, I guess we're 1464 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,360 Speaker 1: onto something here. Love it because we weren't getting that 1465 01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,720 Speaker 1: when I was doing the show by myself. Okay, when 1466 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,960 Speaker 1: I was when I was the soul guy doing they're 1467 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,160 Speaker 1: doing highlights. It wasn't nobody saying, man, if you've seen 1468 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,760 Speaker 1: that show, it looks like every other highlight show, you know. 1469 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,639 Speaker 1: But now, but I mean now, thirty thirty years later, 1470 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,360 Speaker 1: you're one of the most respected, appreciated voices um on 1471 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,960 Speaker 1: the Best show. So I mean, obviously you know you 1472 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,559 Speaker 1: are the focal and work with good people. Man, that's 1473 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,599 Speaker 1: what it is. You gotta get you step some credit 1474 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 1: and we're not gonna have you on our show and 1475 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,640 Speaker 1: you're not getting your steps. I didn't look until you. 1476 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm even more in awe of the man that you 1477 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,479 Speaker 1: are now at the getting the chance to talk to 1478 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,600 Speaker 1: you and know more about you, but out with the 1479 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,439 Speaker 1: sizes watching you on TV. So we're gonna give your 1480 01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,680 Speaker 1: flowers and we appreciate associate you too. And I but 1481 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, when you got a platform like that, 1482 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:11,760 Speaker 1: how are you going to use it? And if you 1483 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,000 Speaker 1: if you're you know, and I think enough things come 1484 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,760 Speaker 1: up in the course of in the course of doing 1485 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,680 Speaker 1: the show for thirty years where you can be you 1486 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 1: and that's you know, whether that's dealing with Craig Sager's situation, 1487 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,400 Speaker 1: whether that's dealing with you know, the cancer and that 1488 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,519 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um, there are enough things that come up, 1489 01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,520 Speaker 1: whether that's dealing with Kobe, whether it's dealing with the pandemic. 1490 01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Um that people will see who you really are in 1491 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,400 Speaker 1: times like that where they don't see it when you're 1492 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: just saying, hey, there's a three. Hey, there's a three. 1493 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,280 Speaker 1: Look at that dunk? Hey, what do you mean? Shack hey, Charles, 1494 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,840 Speaker 1: stop it. You know, there are enough things that are 1495 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:58,519 Speaker 1: real light. And that's yeah, a lot of selves run 1496 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,599 Speaker 1: from that. There, a lot of I was run from 1497 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,519 Speaker 1: what's really going on. I know, you know what I mean. 1498 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,240 Speaker 1: And to be one of the top spots shows and 1499 01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,880 Speaker 1: to tackle all that that says a lot. I love it. 1500 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,040 Speaker 1: All right, we'll put you on the hot seat. First 1501 01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,679 Speaker 1: thing to come to mind, let us know five best 1502 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:21,200 Speaker 1: single season teams you've personally seen, Five best single season teams. Uh, 1503 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be in any particular or okay, 1504 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, seventy three win Warrior, seventy two win Bowls. 1505 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: I think that that San Antonio team that came back 1506 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: and beat Miami in the finals was yeah, you know, 1507 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,200 Speaker 1: after losing it, then they come back and they just 1508 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,280 Speaker 1: throttled him and it was like a clinic. And I'll 1509 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,679 Speaker 1: go back to those early those early season or early 1510 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,360 Speaker 1: seventies Hawks teams where I got to watch Pete. That'll 1511 01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,479 Speaker 1: be in there. Um, But that's just that's from a 1512 01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:00,080 Speaker 1: just personal Yeah, that's but the Golden State teams were 1513 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:06,679 Speaker 1: really fun to watch down one ten seconds ago. Well, 1514 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,240 Speaker 1: you're top five that you ever saw to get a bucket. Mmm, 1515 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:17,360 Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of basket but I mean I 1516 01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,280 Speaker 1: think I think you put like you put Kobe and 1517 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Michael in there, and you maybe want to put Isaiah 1518 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,559 Speaker 1: Thomas in there, and he gonna go get it. He's 1519 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,200 Speaker 1: gonna go get it. Man. I hate questions like this 1520 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,000 Speaker 1: because I know, because I know you know what I'm 1521 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,680 Speaker 1: saying to say, Man, how could you not say this? 1522 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,280 Speaker 1: And because that's the way it is these days. Anytime 1523 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,720 Speaker 1: anybody ranks anything and it said, how could you not 1524 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: say this? Guy? Um, But I'll just give you I'll 1525 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,920 Speaker 1: throw those three out at you at this point. I 1526 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,599 Speaker 1: like it. It's nice. I'll take those three though any day. 1527 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:52,080 Speaker 1: Top two most memorable events you've covered sports or non 1528 01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,240 Speaker 1: sports mm hmm, that I've covered or that I've been at. 1529 01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Either been a part of Okay, so I was sitting 1530 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,200 Speaker 1: there and Hank Aaron had seven so that was cool 1531 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:10,240 Speaker 1: in Atlanta Atlanta Stadium, so that would be in there. Um, 1532 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,840 Speaker 1: And another one would be watching Jack Nicholas. I was, 1533 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I was at the mike when Jack Nicholas played his 1534 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,240 Speaker 1: final hole at St. Andrews and his final major at 1535 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,120 Speaker 1: the at the British show. This this episode in Jim Grayobs, So, man, 1536 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,800 Speaker 1: I don't don't know Jim Gray's Jim Gray willow so 1537 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,519 Speaker 1: many moments where he was at you know, he's there 1538 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,800 Speaker 1: when guys get getting punched or getting their ear bit 1539 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,320 Speaker 1: and all kind of stuff. But he's But but that 1540 01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,680 Speaker 1: was that was that Jack Nicholas moment was was incredible 1541 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,120 Speaker 1: because that's in the birthplace of golf and that's like 1542 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,320 Speaker 1: everybody in the town had come out by the end 1543 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,240 Speaker 1: of the day. And uh, but there are a lot 1544 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,920 Speaker 1: of good ones. But but I'll say this, working working 1545 01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,800 Speaker 1: baseball with my dad will be the greatest thing that 1546 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,920 Speaker 1: nothing will surpass that calling games with him. And he 1547 01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,400 Speaker 1: was sitting shoulder and shoulder calling games with your dad, 1548 01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,559 Speaker 1: I mean, and saying that I want to question this 1549 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:02,960 Speaker 1: is not on the list, but I wanted to know 1550 01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,479 Speaker 1: since he bought. If it's not on the list, I'm 1551 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,760 Speaker 1: not going to answer. And I'm sorry. What kind of 1552 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:13,000 Speaker 1: person was Hank Aaron? You got to know him personally, kind, gracious, humble, 1553 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:18,360 Speaker 1: um and a gentleman and and and again, you know, 1554 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: when you're sitting in the dugout hours before a game 1555 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,599 Speaker 1: and he's coming by and asking you how your little 1556 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,040 Speaker 1: league team is doing, You're like, hold on, just a second, 1557 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,400 Speaker 1: was really happening. But I also went to high school 1558 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:32,080 Speaker 1: with his sons, Henry and Larry, and everybody just says 1559 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,000 Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, he felt totally comfortable coming 1560 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,439 Speaker 1: to a ballgame sitting in the stands, you know, And 1561 01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,479 Speaker 1: and it was he was he was a you know, 1562 01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,360 Speaker 1: one of the all time greats, and and didn't do 1563 01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,400 Speaker 1: it for the fan. Fair didn't do it. You know, 1564 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,479 Speaker 1: my dad one of my dad's greatest comparisons when back 1565 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,559 Speaker 1: when William Mays and Hank Aaron were, you know, these 1566 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,400 Speaker 1: two stalwarts and these two foundations of the baseball and 1567 01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,880 Speaker 1: people would say, well, you know, Mayze is better than Aaron, 1568 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,280 Speaker 1: and my dad would say, Aaron can do everything Maze 1569 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,000 Speaker 1: does is but his hat doesn't fall off. You know. 1570 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,120 Speaker 1: It's like like there was never there was never this 1571 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,360 Speaker 1: showmanship by on Henry's part. There was never you know, 1572 01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,120 Speaker 1: he just had these incredibly sharp reflexes and these incredible 1573 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,759 Speaker 1: this incredible power in his wrists where he wasn't hitting 1574 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,080 Speaker 1: five foot home runs. He's just hitting home runs left 1575 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,880 Speaker 1: the ballpark before you knew what was happening. So and no, 1576 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,320 Speaker 1: he was just to be able to to be able 1577 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,680 Speaker 1: to have that relationship and to be able to call him. 1578 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,320 Speaker 1: You know, when my dad retired, I was putting a 1579 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,080 Speaker 1: video together and I said, I need Hank on this 1580 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,559 Speaker 1: video to talk about, you know, playing with my dad. Um. 1581 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,240 Speaker 1: You know, and then you know, having my dad called 1582 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,200 Speaker 1: so many of his games, and Hank just meets me 1583 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,160 Speaker 1: down at Atlanta Stadium. We sit there and do an 1584 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,400 Speaker 1: interview and talking. He's just a good He was just special, 1585 01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,880 Speaker 1: especially all right back to the quick hitters, five dinner guests, 1586 01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:06,080 Speaker 1: debt or alive, five years against that are alive or five? Yeah, Well, 1587 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,799 Speaker 1: my dad's there. You know. One of my favorite people 1588 01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,840 Speaker 1: in the world is in living here in Atlanta's Andrew Young. 1589 01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,680 Speaker 1: I would love to have, love to have him be 1590 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:20,080 Speaker 1: part of that. UM. Mr Pete would be fun to 1591 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:27,120 Speaker 1: have there, UM And I think that probably UM. I 1592 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,479 Speaker 1: would like to all right, would like to have the 1593 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,960 Speaker 1: apostle Paul uh and just to hear about that journey 1594 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,960 Speaker 1: and that walk and how that all happened, and and 1595 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:44,639 Speaker 1: so how many is that four? That's four? Abe Lincoln 1596 01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:51,000 Speaker 1: nice like that. I last question to finish up five, Yes, 1597 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 1: ask questions to finish up. Who do you want to 1598 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,599 Speaker 1: see on All the Smoke? You have to end all 1599 01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,920 Speaker 1: that before you ask him. You have to help us 1600 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,200 Speaker 1: get your answer on the show. Oh so it has 1601 01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:08,280 Speaker 1: to be somebody that I helped you. Ah, that's see 1602 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,479 Speaker 1: sits here far left sometimes are actually all the time, 1603 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:20,320 Speaker 1: Shane sports figure or anything, anybody whoever you do. Um, 1604 01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,280 Speaker 1: you know who you should have on your show. P 1605 01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,240 Speaker 1: J Morton, you should have on your show. P J 1606 01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:31,800 Speaker 1: Morton keys for Maroon five yea and as one Grammys 1607 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,320 Speaker 1: like the last two or three years and is one 1608 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,559 Speaker 1: of the coolest dudes out there talking talk music, talk 1609 01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,120 Speaker 1: life with them. We're coming for you, t J. I'll 1610 01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,439 Speaker 1: help here you go. We appreciate that. I will make 1611 01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,599 Speaker 1: it happen. Thank you Ernie again. We want to thank 1612 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,080 Speaker 1: you obviously give you your props again. You're someone that's 1613 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, as players, we don't respect many voices for 1614 01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,639 Speaker 1: people who haven't actually done what we've done, and you 1615 01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,280 Speaker 1: are at the top of the list as far as 1616 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:03,200 Speaker 1: players go. Respect and appreciating the advice you give and 1617 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,200 Speaker 1: the way you lead and the way you help so 1618 01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,280 Speaker 1: many people. Man, So we just want to make sure 1619 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,680 Speaker 1: we thank you for coming on the show today, but 1620 01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,120 Speaker 1: also for everything you do that you might not even 1621 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,840 Speaker 1: realize you being you helps everyone else with So I 1622 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,679 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Appreciate very much, man. I appreciate you asking 1623 01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:22,639 Speaker 1: and having me on. We got a good absolutely, Well, 1624 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:27,559 Speaker 1: that's a wrap. The great Ernie Johnson. Uh, your throwing 1625 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:33,200 Speaker 1: that word around the legend there was any adjective legend. 1626 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,519 Speaker 1: We know what you mean us. You can catch us 1627 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,160 Speaker 1: on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and I at Heart platform Black Effects. 1628 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,519 Speaker 1: We'll see you all next week. This is all a smoke, 1629 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,439 Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio 1630 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,080 Speaker 1: in partnership with Showtime