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Speaker 1: Happy Draft Week to everybody. Still three days away counting today,
Speaker 1: but we're getting closer. It's two like to stay. The
Speaker 1: hardest to stay already gone. The hardest part of any
Speaker 1: day is getting out of bed. So we're two days away.
Speaker 1: We're two days away, all right, I'll take your word
Speaker 1: for it, David Hellman, but yes, Happy Draft Week to
Speaker 1: everybody out there. Welcome to the week of confusion hate
Speaker 1: This week amidst reports all kinds of things going on,
Speaker 1: Teams putting that final touch to their board, and then
Speaker 1: it becomes stare at the board. Everybody sits around in
Speaker 1: that room and they look at that board, and like
Speaker 1: I've told you, boys before, you just wish the tags
Speaker 1: would start to glow and tell you which one of
Speaker 1: those guys to take. But you are watching the Draft
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Speaker 1: of coverage we have. It's gonna be wall to wall
Speaker 1: like we always do. That's that's important to us. You know,
Speaker 1: we've carried you this far on this journey, and we're
Speaker 1: going to make sure that we get you home with
Speaker 1: what you need as always. Dame Brugler from CBS Sports
Speaker 1: and Dallas Cowboys dot Com joining us today. David Hellman
Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, who has gotten better at
Speaker 1: this every year. At first, thanks, At first, I thought
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go why that. No, not a backhanded comm
Speaker 1: compliment at all, but I appreciate the input that you've
Speaker 1: had over here the last couple of years, and it
Speaker 1: means a lot. It really really does. Ken Garrison executive
Speaker 1: producing this thing. Like I've talked about, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: a show today and then tomorrow we're gonna do our
Speaker 1: seventh round Cowboy mock Draft, and we're gonna play it
Speaker 1: like it's a war room setting. We're gonna play it
Speaker 1: where we're gonna get possible trades. We're gonna have opportunity
Speaker 1: to move up, to move back, maybe stand there and
Speaker 1: make a pick. But this will probably be the best
Speaker 1: mock draft seven mock draft you will see on the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I will say this, this has got a
Speaker 1: shot to be the one that's got the most realistic.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of folks that like to
Speaker 1: play the games and stuff on the simulators. I just
Speaker 1: my gut feeling on this one is this one we'll
Speaker 1: get you. We'll get you going the right way. You
Speaker 1: might not like it them you might not like it,
Speaker 1: but absolutely might not like it, but you will when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, you will understand that it's
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be the most realistic one that
Speaker 1: we're going to go through. And the picks almost don't
Speaker 1: even matter at the end of the day. It is
Speaker 1: a mock draft. But the way I love the way
Speaker 1: we do. I think it paints a pretty clear picture
Speaker 1: of what it does. Conversations are like and what it does,
Speaker 1: and it's going on, it's going off the board, it's
Speaker 1: going it's it's taking everything into account that you need
Speaker 1: to take when preparing a mock draft, and like I say,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a seven round mock draft of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. So we'll do that tomorrow. But today I
Speaker 1: want to get into guys before we start to show them.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I want to take a bunch
Speaker 1: of calls today if I could, I you know, well,
Speaker 1: we'll do the Twitter on the twenty, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the show, I want to take a bunch
Speaker 1: of calls at eight eight eight eight five five two
Speaker 1: two nine seven. You know, Dave gets on me about
Speaker 1: not taking calls, and he's absolutely right, but I want
Speaker 1: I want you folks to call in, you know, Kik Garrison,
Speaker 1: and we'll take your call. Be kind to him. We're
Speaker 1: all doing great. Just you know, get to your question.
Speaker 1: We'll try and hit some of these rapid fire questions
Speaker 1: and knock them out. If you don't get you on
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty, well maybe we'll get you on
Speaker 1: a call. Don't be afraid to call, don't be afraid
Speaker 1: to ask a question. We want to get you an answer.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to take a lot of calls before
Speaker 1: before we in this week, and I plan on taking
Speaker 1: calls during the draft too. You know, there'll be a
Speaker 1: couple of segments where we have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a lag, maybe be prepared to ask them questions about that,
Speaker 1: you know coming up as well. But let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the news of the day, guys. And
Speaker 1: it bothers me for these teams that they're having to
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of things all of a sudden now.
Speaker 1: And teams are very good at adapting to whatever situation
Speaker 1: they have. But you get news of say Peppers and
Speaker 1: the deluded test, you know where Okay, where's he stand
Speaker 1: there on that? If you're a team that likes Peppers,
Speaker 1: you know, Dane, you feel like there's teams in the
Speaker 1: first round, be some general manager that says, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm taking this cat absolutely, so you got him. You
Speaker 1: got the situation now in a Cleveland hotel with you know,
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out names and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to speculate and throw names out there, but just talking
Speaker 1: to some people have an idea about that. Everything we
Speaker 1: know but still it's confirmed. There's yeah, we don't need
Speaker 1: but let me tell you this one will this one
Speaker 1: will get your attention. Yeah, you know when it when
Speaker 1: it all is said and done. But I like to
Speaker 1: talk about that Dane. You know, I like to talk
Speaker 1: about why. You know, how if you're sitting in a
Speaker 1: draft room right now, what are your feelings? What are
Speaker 1: your You just want this thing to start. You want
Speaker 1: the commissioner to stand there and open this thing and
Speaker 1: let's go. I hate draft week. I hate I love
Speaker 1: draft day, draft weekend. Draft. Besides, my family's probably the
Speaker 1: biggest love in my life. Yeah, but draft week, it's
Speaker 1: just it's torture because you're just kind of you're refreshing
Speaker 1: your email, you're checking your phone for text message, is okay,
Speaker 1: what's the next shoot a drop? Yeah, who's gonna get
Speaker 1: in trouble? What's going to be released? You know, what's
Speaker 1: the next thing that's going to happen. And you just
Speaker 1: kind of crushed your fingers that nothing else does. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned ja Bill Peppers. We could talk about Florida
Speaker 1: defensive tackle kaylebr I'm glad you got into that one
Speaker 1: incident that happened earlier this month that uh, you know,
Speaker 1: finally charges to bring brought on him and this is
Speaker 1: something that can knock him out of the draft altogether. Sure,
Speaker 1: with battery charges, he allegedly punched a woman, knocked her unconscious,
Speaker 1: knocked the tooth out. So Kayleb Brantley goes from a
Speaker 1: second rounder too likely undrafted depending on what details we know,
Speaker 1: and we're still waiting on information from Jordan Lewis the
Speaker 1: corner from Michigan, right, But with Jabrill Peppers, now this
Speaker 1: is he has the same excuse that Ruben Foster did
Speaker 1: diluted sample. It's not a failed drug test, but it
Speaker 1: might as well be treated as such, sure because masking, right,
Speaker 1: and so it's something that now his explanation of you know,
Speaker 1: cramping and being sick and just he needed to be hydrated,
Speaker 1: is that credible? Maybe it might be the truth, but
Speaker 1: it's something that is an easy excuse for why a
Speaker 1: deluded sample might happen. And it's if you're an NFL team,
Speaker 1: you just have to do your investigation and try and
Speaker 1: figure out because as far as I know, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard of any drug issues, which no, so, but if
Speaker 1: he does, if this holds true, then he enters the
Speaker 1: NFL and the program already and that's one strike and
Speaker 1: he's a target on his back and that's something that
Speaker 1: it carries with him with drafting him. If you're going
Speaker 1: to draft him in the first round. So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a tough call. It's something that the week of
Speaker 1: the draft, this is the last thing you want to
Speaker 1: be dealing with. Yeah, David, this, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know they're putting these boards together and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like Dame was talking about, you know, Brantley on my
Speaker 1: board was a second round player, and I think maybe
Speaker 1: on Dane he was a two three two three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if we've mentioned so, yeah, but you talked about
Speaker 1: there's depending on what you do with your three techniques
Speaker 1: in this draft. You know, if you didn't move Solomon Thomas,
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Gane? Yeah, if you don't
Speaker 1: move Solomon Thomas, and maybe even McDowell, if you talk
Speaker 1: about Malik McDowell where you play him, you know, Brantley
Speaker 1: could have been the best three technique in this draft.
Speaker 1: So now you're a team, it's a four three team,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there thinking about him, and you're going,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you know, but I just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote Michael Lombardi here, my friend, you know, who works
Speaker 1: at the Ringer now and was a general manager. Mike tells,
Speaker 1: you know, tweeted out to the other day about you
Speaker 1: don't know all the deep medical information, and you don't
Speaker 1: know about all the deep off the field stuff. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things out there that we we're gonna
Speaker 1: go in this draft having our boards and all our
Speaker 1: notes and everything ready, but these teams have got things
Speaker 1: about these kids that we don't know about yet. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, now you start watching people
Speaker 1: fall and it becomes very evident, very quickly, that there's
Speaker 1: something there. There's more there than what we know on
Speaker 1: our media level. Well, I mean the Dane's guides are great.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this time last year, who was on
Speaker 1: the cover of this thing? Unsel? Was it not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we were pretty confident he would be a top
Speaker 1: three pick. He went to nine or was it plummeted Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Nobody saw that coming until fifteen minutes before the draft
Speaker 1: when all that stuff happened, because teams had no idea
Speaker 1: how to handle that situation, and he just kind of
Speaker 1: crossed your fingers that nothing like that happens this year.
Speaker 1: But this week we've already seen a few things. And
Speaker 1: going back to Caleb Brantley, he wasn't he was already
Speaker 1: having a pretty poor pre draft process. Sure, he admitted
Speaker 1: effort issues for a big part of why his numbers
Speaker 1: weren't better, and his tape was inconsistent, and then his
Speaker 1: combine numbers were terrible. Yeah, and then he didn't retest
Speaker 1: at the pro day, so he felt, Okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's who I am. I'm a seven six three cone guy.
Speaker 1: That's just who I am. Yeah, for an up he accepted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: penetrator at three technique who thrives on knifing through gaps
Speaker 1: and disrupting the backfield as a strong red flag right there.
Speaker 1: And then you also factor in now this off field
Speaker 1: stuff and yeah, it's hard to see him getting drafted Wolf, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: real quick. It's kind of funny, not funny, but ironic.
Speaker 1: The guy that we've been talking about all along with
Speaker 1: the character stuff, Joe Mixon. Yeah, some closure came to
Speaker 1: his case, right is. The lawsuit was settled and you know,
Speaker 1: he apologized to her face that you know that, So
Speaker 1: whoever drafts Joe Mixon yeats closure. Right, There's still gonna
Speaker 1: be that pr backlash or whatever, but at least and
Speaker 1: everything that's in the past. So Joe Mixon enters the NFL,
Speaker 1: you know, no lawsuits, no pending legal charges, no, nothing
Speaker 1: like that, no civil suits. So that's a big deal
Speaker 1: for Mixon. Joe Mixon will be He'll still I mean
Speaker 1: the city that drafts him, they'll still run the video
Speaker 1: that absolutely. Yeah, he has fewer questions surrounding him as
Speaker 1: he prepares to get drafted. Then about six of these
Speaker 1: other guys still I still look at Minnesota two forty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my spot, Joe Mixon two forty one, Cincinnati Orcinti.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is another team that we talked about. Cincinnati's a
Speaker 1: team at nine that can end up with Foster. I
Speaker 1: asked a bunch of people about Foster. Everybody, Yeah, how
Speaker 1: the consensus was he wasn't getting out of the first round.
Speaker 1: But okay, not only do you have the diluted test,
Speaker 1: which whatever, take that for whatever you want, you also
Speaker 1: have the hospital incidents. Yeah, I think people are for
Speaker 1: more forgiving of the hospital incident than they are the test.
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like I want to be forgiving
Speaker 1: of either, like so, but I'm just saying when you
Speaker 1: look at the NF, when you talk to scouts, they
Speaker 1: are more concerned about the test than they are about
Speaker 1: because they understand what goes on with the combine. It's
Speaker 1: not fall do It's not fair because I mean, it's
Speaker 1: too obvious of a comparison because he played at Alabama.
Speaker 1: But like, all I've been thinking about since all this
Speaker 1: happened is Rulanda Malo. Yeah, and that's I've been It's
Speaker 1: in my in my skying report on him. But I
Speaker 1: was told by a scout that they are really concerned
Speaker 1: about how much he likes the party. Yeah, college kids
Speaker 1: like the party. Okay, this isn't like, you know, you
Speaker 1: could put that in every single or you know, ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of reports, but it was it was a
Speaker 1: concern for this team. You know, they were worried that
Speaker 1: he overdoes it in terms of partying, that it's a
Speaker 1: too much of a priority for him compared to where
Speaker 1: football should be on his priority list. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I get it, college kids like the party. This team
Speaker 1: that told me that had a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a concern than just your average college kid going out
Speaker 1: having a few beers just they're like enjoying themselves. College
Speaker 1: kids will do, so it's a little more serious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So I got it. At nine and forty one,
Speaker 1: what if they go Seriously, what if they go Foster
Speaker 1: and Mixing could argue two of the top ten players
Speaker 1: in this That's what I'm saying. And you know what,
Speaker 1: in the in the dream draft, Yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: work at Cincinnati exactly. I mean I need to be
Speaker 1: there with Duke Tobin and Bill Tobin and all and
Speaker 1: all those old John Cooper. They got all these old
Speaker 1: scouts and they just they just look at the tape.
Speaker 1: That's all they do. They don't really care about what
Speaker 1: you know, you could they see value with players good worker,
Speaker 1: bad guy, good work. I'm a good work or a
Speaker 1: bad guy. That's exactly what I am. Dane Dave thoughts
Speaker 1: about as we look at the top. Then the number
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft is a really split room
Speaker 1: on taking you know, on Miles Garrett or taking a
Speaker 1: quarterback there. Yeah, and like I've said before, it's there
Speaker 1: are certain voices in that room in that building who
Speaker 1: want the quarterback and who really like Mitchell Trubisky. And
Speaker 1: you can guarantee you the ownership wants a quarterback. And
Speaker 1: so it just depends on who are those voices, how
Speaker 1: loud are those voices, because I think the consensus is
Speaker 1: that everyone's on board, Miles Garrett. Okay, Myles Garrett's not
Speaker 1: the problem here. Yeah, the problem is those voices loud
Speaker 1: enough to sway everyone into taking Trubisky. And I keep
Speaker 1: coming back to Hugh Jackson, and if he's not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent on board, how can you take a quarterback
Speaker 1: at number one? Sure does make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson's a quarterback guy, right, he's your he can
Speaker 1: develop them, right, and so you know, if he's not
Speaker 1: on board at the quarterback at one, I just don't
Speaker 1: see how they can do that. But the Browns do
Speaker 1: things differently, and uh, you just never know. Could they
Speaker 1: do it? Maybe can we go back in time and
Speaker 1: consider the fact, like I and I struggle with it
Speaker 1: for this very reason, which is that like the Browns
Speaker 1: wanted no part of Carson Wentz or Jared Goff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of regret going on. They straight
Speaker 1: up we're like, we're good, give us the picks we
Speaker 1: don't want, and now like, but they're made potentially obviously
Speaker 1: we don't know, but they're may be sold that this
Speaker 1: one year starter Mitchell Trubisky is like the guy that
Speaker 1: they got to take him over generational pass rusher they
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. They were ready to take Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: but they Wentz is the guy they didn't like, and
Speaker 1: so they I could, I could make an argument that
Speaker 1: Trubisky is more ready for the NFL than Wins. You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's fair. That's fair. That I fair.
Speaker 1: He only played a year, you know, yeah year, and
Speaker 1: Wentz was a year and a half. So that's fair. Now,
Speaker 1: Trubisky didn't have the Senior Bowl. It didn't have you know,
Speaker 1: so we don't know, you know, Trubisky had a chance
Speaker 1: to got the Senior Bowl. Maybe know a little bit
Speaker 1: more about him, things like that. But yeah, the Browns
Speaker 1: did not like Wentz, and maybe they do feel regret
Speaker 1: about it. But I think they have a higher grade
Speaker 1: on Trubisky than they did on Wins. And so right
Speaker 1: now is when you're kind of planting those seeds for
Speaker 1: those possible trade ups. See that's what I'm thinking right now.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking if if they don't, if the Browns
Speaker 1: do take Trubisky at one, all right, San Francisco, is
Speaker 1: the window opened? Can they pass on Miles Garrett? Zero
Speaker 1: chance they take Miles Garrett? I don't know. Yeah, they're moving.
Speaker 1: You see anybody, you see John Lynch, first year GM,
Speaker 1: you see them maybe saying, oh wait a minute, oh wait,
Speaker 1: you told us your picks for sale. They're picks for
Speaker 1: sale because they don't think they're gonna have Miles Garrett. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Miles Garrett. First of all, I think there's a
Speaker 1: ninety five percent chance Miles Garrett goes one. Now if
Speaker 1: it happened, Yeah, I was just fainting this scenario and
Speaker 1: that five percent chance that he doesn't. I I think
Speaker 1: he goes to to San Francisco. That's a perfect pick
Speaker 1: for a first year general man. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: if you're a first year GM, how do you do
Speaker 1: anything but take the guy that people What if he
Speaker 1: thinks it's we always tell her, but he what if
Speaker 1: he evaluates his team correctly and thinks he's very talent
Speaker 1: poor and maybe adding pihaps once in a generation pass
Speaker 1: rusher sounds like a good way to bolster your ross.
Speaker 1: I'm just Stephen Jones yesterday said it was short of
Speaker 1: saying about that because he was asked about is this
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware I'm who Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: well he's and he made the very correct observation that
Speaker 1: you go play. You can't compare anybody who's never played
Speaker 1: in the right to a Hall of fame. Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: also said, as great as it is to trade and
Speaker 1: get picks and do all this stuff, like if a
Speaker 1: guy's there that you really like, never trade away, just
Speaker 1: take him. Yeah, that is my That has been my
Speaker 1: mantra forever. Never trade away from a great player. But
Speaker 1: you know, I can I mean, and we're wrong all
Speaker 1: the time, but I can't imagine a scenario where Myles
Speaker 1: Garrett falls further than two. It'd be a shock. I mean,
Speaker 1: we never thought Leonard William Jonathan Allen at seventeen. Hey,
Speaker 1: well that's medical. I mean, if there is something unforeseen
Speaker 1: that we don't know about, then sure, and then ended
Speaker 1: up at Washington would not be good for me. You
Speaker 1: don't have to go there and watch the game anyway,
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't want him like him wrapped
Speaker 1: around number four's neck the entire game. Well, then again,
Speaker 1: you got some guard doing that. Superman died. Don't seeing
Speaker 1: that a lot once he's drafted? Yeah, exactly, it over
Speaker 1: and over again. But you think San Francisco stands in
Speaker 1: there if Miles Garrett in fact is the player on
Speaker 1: the board, they stay there and make up absolutely. I
Speaker 1: think somebody try and blow them away with a quarterback deal,
Speaker 1: like what But it's like like what Cleveland and this
Speaker 1: guy Tennessee had to endure last year. Who's got the
Speaker 1: arsenal to do that? Cleveland? Yeah? I mean, but that's
Speaker 1: about it, right, I mean, to get where you need
Speaker 1: to get to get that pick. Yeah, And if they
Speaker 1: do that, I think they are taking Garrett at one,
Speaker 1: and then they try to trade and they trade back
Speaker 1: with San Francisco to try and make it happen, right,
Speaker 1: because I think they feel like Garrett or Trubisky won't
Speaker 1: go two. He might go three, but three three is
Speaker 1: a possibility, right, But two all forget it too. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going to happen at two. Oh,
Speaker 1: nobody knows what's gonna happen. And that's kind of the point.
Speaker 1: That's the But it won't send the draft in a
Speaker 1: different direction because nobody really knows what's going on there.
Speaker 1: It's it. It could be Millie Cooker, Jamal Adams could be,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen could be, Solomon Thomas could be any one
Speaker 1: of these guys. Yeah, he just with the first year
Speaker 1: general manager and a first year head coach and a
Speaker 1: team that has needs all across the roster, it could
Speaker 1: literally be one of seven eight guys, and it shouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise anybody. See that's what do you buy into the
Speaker 1: fact that they're saying that the second player is comparable?
Speaker 1: You think it's more like two from two to eight.
Speaker 1: That's that's me personally. I mean, I think you look
Speaker 1: at the top seven eight players in this draft that
Speaker 1: you know Miles, I mean, Miles Garrett's on a tier
Speaker 1: by himself, right, a second tier. I think if Jonathan
Speaker 1: Allen's Almon Thomas to tow sayfeties, Marshawn Lattimore, and then
Speaker 1: you know, I think Ruben Foster would have been in
Speaker 1: there if not for what's going on with him. And
Speaker 1: then I think you have the next tier, which goes
Speaker 1: from you know, like nine to twenty and I think
Speaker 1: twenty to fifty that is the next tier. So it's
Speaker 1: a lot of players once you get past the top
Speaker 1: ten or so top eight, a lot of players on
Speaker 1: the similar plane in terms of talent and what you
Speaker 1: think they could be at the next level. Okay, real
Speaker 1: quickly before we go to break here, cowboys going to
Speaker 1: stay put or make a small move up first round up,
Speaker 1: not back up. I think it's way more likely that
Speaker 1: they just stay, hang tight and make their pick yep
Speaker 1: Stan pep, I think so Yep? I do I think
Speaker 1: they stay twenty They haven't moved in five years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you could say that. Maybe I think they
Speaker 1: were really I think they were overly I think I
Speaker 1: think they were overly selling yesterday, how overly selling with
Speaker 1: Steven and Jerry selling stay stay? You think they were
Speaker 1: trying to come yeah, like the I think yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they were thinking, you know what, if there's somebody there,
Speaker 1: we're going to get our award Daddy, Yeah, there's somebody there.
Speaker 1: There's so much uncertainty now at twenty eight? Am I
Speaker 1: right about that? I still think there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: darn good player. Oh there is gonna be a darn
Speaker 1: good player. There's But but do you do you do you? Brian?
Speaker 1: We're talking about they're being uncertainty at two like the
Speaker 1: whole first round. No, I I understand that, But do
Speaker 1: you try and control your own destiny? You can try,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take one of those Day two picks.
Speaker 1: That's a future NFL starter. Oh, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: do a seven round mock tomorrow. It'll be interesting, It
Speaker 1: will be interesting. Okay, uh, coming back, we'll get into
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Speaker 1: I want to thank ed Ka Hill for this. I
Speaker 1: want to thank ed Ka Hill. By the way, I
Speaker 1: didn't do it last show. I want to thank him
Speaker 1: for creating this show, and I want to thank him
Speaker 1: for creating this segment. Call Twitter on the tent take over,
Speaker 1: David Helman. I got a good one from Roderick because
Speaker 1: it involves a guy that we talked a lot about
Speaker 1: in January and February, but he's kind of fallen off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson, your big board came out yesterday. You have
Speaker 1: him twenty fifth. I do, but we haven't really been
Speaker 1: talking about him as a consideration at twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the last probably month or so. He's kind of
Speaker 1: fallen off the pace in terms of a guy that
Speaker 1: we think might be drafted. Yeah. I like him obviously
Speaker 1: better than I mean, the Cowboys did not bring him
Speaker 1: in on one of the thirty visits. They brought in
Speaker 1: a lot of corners, they brought in safeties, they brought
Speaker 1: in a few defensive ends, but he was not one
Speaker 1: of the guys. I think, Carl loss. I think the
Speaker 1: comparison that you made a Brandon Graham, the Florida defensive
Speaker 1: end who was at the Philadelphia Eagles, is exactly who
Speaker 1: he is. And I don't know, I mean, some people
Speaker 1: will not like how short he is they won't like
Speaker 1: his short arms. Yeah, but you watch him play. He
Speaker 1: gets after it and I mean gets after it. And
Speaker 1: I maybe he doesn't have the physical traits that most
Speaker 1: people like, but I'm willing to bet on him and
Speaker 1: I don't think he but I don't think they would
Speaker 1: consider him at twenty eight. And I really really don't
Speaker 1: you think that's a physical thing. I think it's a
Speaker 1: physical thing. I really really do. But me, my top
Speaker 1: fifty is about how I saw the players for me,
Speaker 1: you know, and like I say, mixing's on there. You
Speaker 1: know Foster. I kept a lot of guys, Sitney Jones,
Speaker 1: I kept them where they are just my I look
Speaker 1: at the tape. That's all I can do. I don't
Speaker 1: get to go to Alabama and Washington and things and
Speaker 1: get these character things on these kids. If I do it,
Speaker 1: I mean he would probably be you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: board to look different. But I love Lawson. I really
Speaker 1: really do I have in the first round. I would
Speaker 1: the team that takes someone draft night, watch me gush
Speaker 1: about who that ever that is. Stats speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: The guy that has been the first round pick has
Speaker 1: visited the facility since twenty thirteen. Yeah, last time he
Speaker 1: didn't was Mo Mo right, And that was a trade
Speaker 1: up situation and I was gonna sell. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say it's probably fair to say
Speaker 1: that if the guy didn't visit. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: they like him as much as I do. And that's okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, dude and I have the I have cunning
Speaker 1: him and I talked about cutting him the Vanderbilt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: linebackers being one of my favorite guys. I haven't at
Speaker 1: number nine, right, That's just how I feel about And
Speaker 1: this is your board, this is my board. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you if you want to
Speaker 1: put your together your own board and all that. We
Speaker 1: all do that and it's kind of fun, you know,
Speaker 1: So put together board and put it out there and
Speaker 1: see what happens. I think you're right about the physical thing.
Speaker 1: Six one and a half one and a half inch arm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just not gonna be for everybody. And that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's a bad player or just he needs the
Speaker 1: right fit and that's that's okay. I think a good
Speaker 1: or a team is going to end up with a
Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, Dane, we mentioned this earlier. Um Alan,
Speaker 1: he wants to know about Charles Harris and how much
Speaker 1: is his draft stock really rising right now? There are
Speaker 1: teams that like him over Derek Barnett. Um Wow, And
Speaker 1: it just depends on who you talk to and the
Speaker 1: teams are going to look at things differently. I think
Speaker 1: behind Myles Garrett, there's no consensus number two pass rusher
Speaker 1: this year. Some teams like that to be Charles Harris.
Speaker 1: I'm like Barnett. I've even heard McKinley in there. So
Speaker 1: it's just it just comes down to team preference at
Speaker 1: this point. I think if I think if McKinley wasn't hurt,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are shying off McKinley
Speaker 1: because of the shoulder. But you know, I've I've kind
Speaker 1: of thought, I've always thought that Charles Harris would be
Speaker 1: a guy that would be there at twenty eight. And
Speaker 1: the more I listened to Dane, the more I talk
Speaker 1: to scouts around the league, the more I feel like
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be there at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Right So, you know, because people are having questions about
Speaker 1: these pass rushers, Dane's absolutely right. This is one guy
Speaker 1: that has the ability to bend. You know, He's there's
Speaker 1: some questions about Barnett. I mean, I initially thought of
Speaker 1: Barnett as a left defensive end, but you watch him
Speaker 1: play against Alabama, he shows you some right edge rush dip.
Speaker 1: You'll get around Cam Robinson a couple of times. Barnett's
Speaker 1: got to be the guy that, like fans hold him
Speaker 1: in the highest regard and then like the you know,
Speaker 1: the analysts are like, I don't know about that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the same way with scouts and coaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coaches royal like him, and then the scouts are you know,
Speaker 1: the testing numbers, and you know, he's just not when
Speaker 1: you look for. To get him, he probably I need
Speaker 1: to take him top fifteen and so, which is not
Speaker 1: really what you look for in a top fifteen pass rusher.
Speaker 1: But again, quarterback the most important position. Second most important
Speaker 1: position the guy that can get to the quarterback and
Speaker 1: press of the pocket, and that's pass rusher. So these
Speaker 1: pass rushers are gonna go a lot earlier. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get pushed up. And that's why I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Charles Harris, to me, he's more of a late late one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, you would you would, you'd love to
Speaker 1: see again, I've always thought Initially, initially when I was
Speaker 1: doing this, I thought he was a twenty eight lock
Speaker 1: or twenty eight spot lock. But now the more you dig,
Speaker 1: the more you go through the draft. You know, people
Speaker 1: everybody always say this about ice cream. Everybody has your flavor. Sure,
Speaker 1: and that's what he is. Former tank commander, Thanks for
Speaker 1: your service. Yeah, absolutely wants to know what is the
Speaker 1: minimum you would accept to trade out of the first round?
Speaker 1: Kind of hard. I'm not giving you what the team,
Speaker 1: so I can't tell you how far you're trading back. Well,
Speaker 1: they're two keys to that, obviously, the return what are
Speaker 1: you getting back? And then how far you're moving back
Speaker 1: in the second round. So I mean those two things
Speaker 1: are obviously the what will determine the trade. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: picking up twenty eight. Say you're someone's asking to move
Speaker 1: back twelve spots and you get an extra third twelve
Speaker 1: spots on twenty eight And I was numbers that again,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, twelve and twenty eight. Give me the quick math.
Speaker 1: Thirty it's a pick number forty, pick number forty cents,
Speaker 1: that's okay, pick number forty s worth five hundred points
Speaker 1: on their chart. Okay, so you would be going from
Speaker 1: twenty eight to five six. Your differential is one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty points. Who's who's which is equivalent of a
Speaker 1: third round pick? Who owns that fortieth pick right now?
Speaker 1: Who owns the fortieth pick? Right now? I've got my sheets, actually,
Speaker 1: they're coming together, the fortieth pick right now. And I
Speaker 1: saw this, it was on the front page. Where'd it go?
Speaker 1: Where did it go? Where to go? The fortieth pick? Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're killing me right now because I don't have it
Speaker 1: right in front of me here I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: forty picks on by Carolina. I'm sorry, Carolina. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got all my sheets. My draft charts, mow draft
Speaker 1: charts are being built right now. And Carolina's third round
Speaker 1: pick is worth Carolina's third round pick is at number
Speaker 1: ninety eight, and what's that worth? The ninety eight pick
Speaker 1: on the Cowboy chart would be worth one hundred and
Speaker 1: eight points. So it's you're still pretty deep, you bet,
Speaker 1: you know? So you're short, right? Yeah? How much is
Speaker 1: their fifth Their fifth round pick they own is pick
Speaker 1: one fifty two. Let's look at the last year's chart
Speaker 1: and figure that out. Pick one fifty two would be
Speaker 1: worth thirty one points, and that's a lot closer. So
Speaker 1: what are you're saying you're gonna take a three to
Speaker 1: five to go back? I would do it. Yeah, twelve
Speaker 1: spots and I get an extra three and I get
Speaker 1: my five back. Yeah, it's a little scary moving back
Speaker 1: that far. Well, And actually, that's the point I was
Speaker 1: gonna make to you before Brian read the chart, was
Speaker 1: I know you can't predict it because you don't know
Speaker 1: how far you're back you're trading. But me personally, if
Speaker 1: I'm leaving the first round, I want a third round pick.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's unreasonable, but even if we're only trade,
Speaker 1: if we're trading from twenty eight to thirty three, I
Speaker 1: want a third round pick. And if Cleveland's not okay
Speaker 1: with that, then it was a pleasure talking to you. No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely hundred percent agree. If you're going to move
Speaker 1: out of the first round, a day two pick has
Speaker 1: to be part of it. Yep, absolutely, I agree. So okay,
Speaker 1: let me hear O'Brien stir in the pot. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to on the Cowboys chart. If you were
Speaker 1: to go to Cleveland at thirty three, just that simple
Speaker 1: move five spots. That's a fourth round pick right there.
Speaker 1: So you guys, that's what I'm saying is it's not
Speaker 1: good enough for me. I want something better. Okay, Cleveland
Speaker 1: holds sixty five. Cleveland hold sixty five, and that's it's
Speaker 1: that's that's two hundred and sixty five right there. And
Speaker 1: I know, I know what one O eight is the
Speaker 1: first pick of the fourth round. So eight you get,
Speaker 1: say it's a But my colleague from Ohio next to me,
Speaker 1: he says, there's no way in heck they're giving up
Speaker 1: that that first pick to start the third day unless
Speaker 1: it's you know, because it's not a typical fourth round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so unless it's. Now, if you look at Cleveland, let
Speaker 1: me just stop you. Right there, Cleveland's got their own pick.
Speaker 1: They got two picks in the second round. They got
Speaker 1: thirty three and fifty two, right they got sixty five
Speaker 1: is a third round pick for the right One oh
Speaker 1: eight is going to fourth first pick of the fourth
Speaker 1: This is where they're gonna have some fun. In the
Speaker 1: fifth round. They go one to forty five, one seventy five,
Speaker 1: one eighty one, and one eighty eight And look this
Speaker 1: is it. The Browns are a young team and they
Speaker 1: can't fit all these guys on the same roster, so
Speaker 1: they they're going to be a little bit active where
Speaker 1: maybe they give up a few of those fifths because
Speaker 1: they can't see That's what I'm saying. I see them
Speaker 1: giving up fifths maybe tomorrow in our mock draft. We
Speaker 1: gotta hope that Cleveland calls us. We gotta hope because
Speaker 1: if we want to get one of our we want
Speaker 1: to get our fifth back. We got to think about
Speaker 1: Arizona having an extra, Buffalo having an extra, Cincinnati having
Speaker 1: an extra, Cleveland having an extra. I'd like to have
Speaker 1: my fifth back at some point in what some Green
Speaker 1: Bay has an extra. I would love to have my
Speaker 1: fifth back. But if they're trying to get to twenty eight,
Speaker 1: drink a fifth. If I don't get my fifth undo,
Speaker 1: that probably means that they want a quarterback, whether I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Deshaan Kaiser or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're trying to get to twenty eight, it is
Speaker 1: probably for a quarterback. If they would you hold them up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, if you want your quarterback, you're giving
Speaker 1: me sixty five or it's not happening. I'm sorry, And
Speaker 1: if they I mean, and that's what happened in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys last year. The Cowboys didn't want to give up
Speaker 1: their third and the Broncos did, and the Cowboys didn't
Speaker 1: get packs the lynch and it worked out for them.
Speaker 1: But a minute, a minute upset. Last year. I tried,
Speaker 1: I think two weeks ago, try to get you guys
Speaker 1: to trade back, and it was like you were like
Speaker 1: the guys standing there saying, but you're going for greed
Speaker 1: right now. I'm gonna be real greedy. Yeah, I want picks.
Speaker 1: I want good picks. I don't want your crappy fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. I want sixty five day. I agree. If
Speaker 1: Browns say, listen, Browns say we won't give you sixty five,
Speaker 1: and you shoot for one oh eight, which is the
Speaker 1: start of the third day, guy, that would be fun
Speaker 1: start the third day. I love it just because you
Speaker 1: fight on Dak Prescott last show. I mean, you're always no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, But I just know that I love that pick.
Speaker 1: I love seriously. There are teams that try and give
Speaker 1: next year's two to get back in the top of
Speaker 1: that fourth round. Trust me, I know I've fielded calls.
Speaker 1: I know every time. Nope, Nope, nope. Hey Brian, I'll
Speaker 1: see you this summer. Nope. All right, Brian, Yeah we'll
Speaker 1: get together. Nope. You know that's the way it works.
Speaker 1: All right. Let me ask you this, what if they
Speaker 1: what if they said, we're not going to give you
Speaker 1: sixty five, we're not going to give you one o eight,
Speaker 1: but we'll give you one forty five and one seventy five?
Speaker 1: Is that a that's a late fourth and a fifth
Speaker 1: or two fifths. That's the you're you're starting to it's
Speaker 1: two fifths you're giving I'm giving up my first round
Speaker 1: pick for two. You're backing up. You're backing up. You're
Speaker 1: backing up to Cleveland spots at thirty three. But they're
Speaker 1: they're not willing to give you sixty five, which you're
Speaker 1: just adamant about. Yeah, they don't want to give you
Speaker 1: one away. What if they gave you throwing what they
Speaker 1: gave you three fifth round picks for the spot for
Speaker 1: for moving up those moving up that spot, you're taking it.
Speaker 1: See you this summer. Nope, and I hang the phone.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. See the summer web A crafter
Speaker 1: spoil right, can't. I think you need to get a
Speaker 1: little creative because it's sixty five. I think that's a
Speaker 1: pipe dream. I just don't think it'd get in. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're that's fine. I appreciate that being a
Speaker 1: hard butt. I don't know if that works. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it would. I'm saying that's what I want. And
Speaker 1: otherwise I'm just gonna stand and make my pick. I
Speaker 1: don't expect them to give me sixty five, but that's
Speaker 1: what I want. Gonna throw your pen, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it very clue. You're gonna hand that
Speaker 1: card in. I'm gonna hand that card in unless you're
Speaker 1: willing to overpay. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they will. Yeah, it's night seeing. Three fives. No, no,
Speaker 1: knives are nice, but i'd love to have them. But no, No,
Speaker 1: you're talking. All right, I'll think about this. You're not
Speaker 1: just talking about the quality of the player, all right.
Speaker 1: Think about this extra year we talking about earlier. We're
Speaker 1: going to thirty three. We got thirty three, sixty ninety two,
Speaker 1: one thirty three, one forty five, and say one seventy five. Wait,
Speaker 1: so what are they giving me? Right now? They're gonna try,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying. They're trying to give you the two
Speaker 1: they're trying to They've got four fives. What if they
Speaker 1: gave you one forty five and one seventy five, they
Speaker 1: gave you to move four spots, they're giving you two
Speaker 1: fifth round picks. I'm making I am I'm not changing
Speaker 1: my opinion. I already said what I said. Let me
Speaker 1: tell your picks again. You'd have thirty three sixty ninety two,
Speaker 1: one thirty three, one forty five, one seventy five. I
Speaker 1: still only count three picks in the range where I
Speaker 1: can expect my player to start all right here, and
Speaker 1: that's what I want. Got a scenario for you? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: a minute's some we're gonna answer my question. You're you're
Speaker 1: out doing No, I'm out, I'm out. I'm out about here.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can get you to make
Speaker 1: this trade. Okay, I'm cleveland. What about to move up
Speaker 1: to twenty eight? You can have thirty three and sixty five,
Speaker 1: but I want twenty eight and was it ninety nine two?
Speaker 1: So basically you're moving back five spots and then you
Speaker 1: move up ninety two spots. Okay, ninety two on the chart,
Speaker 1: it's worth one thirty two. So I picked thirty three
Speaker 1: sixty and then not again sixty five sixty thirty three,
Speaker 1: thirty three, sixty sixty five, and then not again until
Speaker 1: one thirty five. Yeah or two three. I'm in. I'm
Speaker 1: so in three. What how's it worked? The how's the mathwork? Well,
Speaker 1: you guys, beat somebody right down? Here we go. If
Speaker 1: we're getting the okay, we're going. That's instead of having
Speaker 1: three top one hundred picks, you have three top seventy picks. Basically, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: bring Okay. So you're at six to eighty right now,
Speaker 1: and you're going to thirty three. That's worth. That's worth.
Speaker 1: So you're six sixty and they're and they're coming at
Speaker 1: you with five eighty. Okay, yeah, right the differential right there. Okay,
Speaker 1: now out what you're asking for is they're sixty five.
Speaker 1: By the way, they hold fifty two as well. They do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not giving that. I can't even go on, don't
Speaker 1: want to be a hard butter about even ask I
Speaker 1: can't even dream of asking for that. Okay, So we
Speaker 1: go back to thirty three. Okay, now we pick up
Speaker 1: they're sixty five, which is worth we said two hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five points. We're flipping them on the trade
Speaker 1: one or ninety two, right, that's one hundred and thirty three.
Speaker 1: So sixty five at two sixty five and ninety two
Speaker 1: is worth one thirty two. So it's just a little
Speaker 1: short of the what did you say, five eighty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think I'd still do it though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love you guys. I just like having I just
Speaker 1: want higher picks, that's all I want. But what do
Speaker 1: we say for the start? You don't trade away from
Speaker 1: a good player. So it just killed mock draft. I
Speaker 1: think for tomorrow it depends who's there at twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, if the right player is there, you
Speaker 1: got to take them. If not, I like you trying
Speaker 1: to be aggressive though. It's the same thing the Broncos
Speaker 1: did to the Cowboys last year and not saying it's
Speaker 1: a reasonable price. I get that it's not, but you're
Speaker 1: in the position to make the calls if the guy
Speaker 1: that they want sitting there. Yeah, there's ways to get creative.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like we just did you know, including
Speaker 1: an extra third, and it's just kind of swapping thirds basically, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to move swap spots. You're not really losing the pick
Speaker 1: in the round. You're just swapping spots. You're trying to
Speaker 1: make up the difference for getting the extra for getting
Speaker 1: sixty five, right is what you're trying to do. All right,
Speaker 1: We got way sidetracked right there. Okay, one more question
Speaker 1: that I do want to take some calls again when
Speaker 1: we come back from the break, but we're not gonna
Speaker 1: do the break right yet. But take one more question
Speaker 1: or two, but again, line up the phones eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two ninety seven. Be nice
Speaker 1: to Kent and go ahead. Dave Jonah wants to know, um,
Speaker 1: should we be talking more about Marcus Williams as a
Speaker 1: first round on pick. As a first round pick, that
Speaker 1: too high? I don't think. I think. I think that's
Speaker 1: probably too high for him. UTAs safety, yeah, exact, anybody
Speaker 1: YEA a true center field type, I think that's too high.
Speaker 1: He's a visitor here. He is a visitor, is that?
Speaker 1: And we talk. I feel more comfortable with him at
Speaker 1: sixty than I would at twenty eight. But then again,
Speaker 1: when I feel more comfortable with the Dorry Jackson at
Speaker 1: twenty eight when he's not even my top fifty, but
Speaker 1: neither is I don't believe what UTAs safety is either.
Speaker 1: Is this one of those guys and we kind of
Speaker 1: talked about this, Brian is maybe some of these visitors
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton comes to minds. I think guys that they
Speaker 1: brought in to cover their bases in case back they
Speaker 1: don't pick at twenty eight. Yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, Curtis Samuel exactly. So maybe would you take
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams in that thirty three to forty range? I'm
Speaker 1: still just about to have a heart attack, So say
Speaker 1: you do that? Is that pushed by Jones? Is strong,
Speaker 1: interchangeable guys? Well, I see, I don't think Marcus Williams
Speaker 1: is an energy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: that to me, that's why Desmond King makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so why Desmond give me? Desmond King is closer what
Speaker 1: Byron Jones is than William Williams is a good free
Speaker 1: and if you're playing single high, if that's what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do, by all means, but God or what it's worth.
Speaker 1: I feel like Byron could play more of a strong
Speaker 1: like box. Oh sure he could, Yeah, sure he could.
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs to be the free And
Speaker 1: you could also in nickel situations sub packages put three
Speaker 1: safeties out there. Let the exactly Byron Jones can play
Speaker 1: the nickel Marcus Williams of the free, I mean he
Speaker 1: can be creative. You'd be very creative with that one more. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you kind of mentioned it already, and so that's
Speaker 1: appreciate all the questions. By the way, folks, Michael a door.
Speaker 1: Michael wants to know about a door sleeper. He does
Speaker 1: he qualify as a sleep Oh no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think that he's a guy
Speaker 1: that really really in the conversation at twenty eight thirty
Speaker 1: thirty one and three eight's arms. I believe on him
Speaker 1: because we talk about Yeah, because we talk about height
Speaker 1: with McClay, but it's about one thirty one three eight's arms,
Speaker 1: so not short arm button. I mean for a guy
Speaker 1: that's five tens. Yeah, he's he's dragging it pretty good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he's not in your top fifty. No,
Speaker 1: and you think he is a real consideration for this
Speaker 1: team though it's the players I like he's outside the fifty. Yeah, they'll.
Speaker 1: They will take him before I would take him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they will. I'm here, you know, and that's okay because
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here doing radio and having fun talking about
Speaker 1: these guys. You know what bothers me. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. No, you know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: We do a pretty good job with this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: it bothers me that part of the reason you might
Speaker 1: take him is his return abilities, right, But with these guys,
Speaker 1: he said, sub package stuff too. Yeah, when you talk
Speaker 1: about about putting corners out there, I think these guys
Speaker 1: would do that. I don't think they would put their
Speaker 1: twenty their first round pick out there as a kick
Speaker 1: and punt return. I think they almost had twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: but it sounded better as a first rounder. Yeah, twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this though, and I think you
Speaker 1: they don't even let Dez do that. Oh wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you tweeted this last night. And by the way, DP Bruger,
Speaker 1: great follow did you tweet If they didn't do that,
Speaker 1: that would be a mistake. Anybody that takes him, that
Speaker 1: doesn't use him in that lucky Whitehead offense. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean give him some Tyreek Hill type of touches. Sure
Speaker 1: he's explosive, you worry about him getting hurt. Sure, but
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the value of taking him
Speaker 1: in the first round. Are these guys? These guys aren't
Speaker 1: fun like this coaching staff, They're not fun. They're not
Speaker 1: Sean Payton creative. Yeah, they're they're like, they're just very
Speaker 1: by the book, like every it's very riggid here, like
Speaker 1: not fun. Well, yeah, I'll say this. There's a reason
Speaker 1: I'm been mocked Ridget or rigget. I think it's I
Speaker 1: don't know whatever, you know what, But I actually correct you.
Speaker 1: I think it's rigged. Okay, I'm pretty sure you're way
Speaker 1: better read than I've been mocking A Dory Jackson the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Did you did in the magazine? Yeah? Exactly. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that here you're gonna be right here. There's
Speaker 1: one of a handful of players that I think the
Speaker 1: most likely. Yeah, Tom, who's the guy that's got the
Speaker 1: least amount of problems that might when it come down
Speaker 1: to I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's part of
Speaker 1: why you're picking picking at twenty eight. Yeah, does that
Speaker 1: guy qualify with any of these guys, I mean, because
Speaker 1: they're all gonna have some something. Yeah, that's why they're
Speaker 1: available at twenty eight. Good point, all right, anyway, thanks
Speaker 1: to all the people that ask questions out there. We
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Okay, coming back, I am hopeful that you
Speaker 1: folks get excited and want to talk with the panel
Speaker 1: about some guys. Get your questions in as well. Maybe
Speaker 1: make a comment who you think the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 1: select that twenty eight so we'll get into that. Take
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Speaker 1: minutes left in the show here, I want to take
Speaker 1: those calls and I hope you line them up. Please, really,
Speaker 1: we'd love to talk to you and get a chance
Speaker 1: to answer your question. So with that being said, Ken Garrison,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you take this over since you've got
Speaker 1: all that at your finger. Yeah, we'll start with a
Speaker 1: regular horse in Atlanta. What's up, Horras, Hey, what's up? Guys?
Speaker 1: Appreciate you taking a call and love the show, love
Speaker 1: the information, guys. Give out. Hey, I want a pass Russian.
Speaker 1: I don't want a defensive back. I understand need, but
Speaker 1: I want a pass Russian. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: move back. If anything, I'd like to move up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I would like someone that's going to get us to
Speaker 1: the sacks again year at least minimum, not like you know,
Speaker 1: I personally consider the Marcus Lawrence. He's almost on that
Speaker 1: bust line. He has nine sacks his home career, So
Speaker 1: we need somebody that's gonna get that in the season.
Speaker 1: So Riddick maybe maybe what you know, would you all
Speaker 1: consider any of those at twenty eight or would you
Speaker 1: consider moving up to get somebody like Riddick? And how
Speaker 1: much does pedigree come into looking at a prospect. You know,
Speaker 1: you have someone like Matthews, Clay Matthews he has a
Speaker 1: great lineage. You know, his brothers, fathers, all this play
Speaker 1: someone like J. J. Watt brothers, you know, two brothers
Speaker 1: in and of course Watt is amazing. So how much
Speaker 1: does that play in in scouting someone? All right, thank you, Hoores,
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. He wants to go up, Well, he
Speaker 1: wants someone that's going to be a minimum ten sacks,
Speaker 1: and hey, I agree. But yeah, yeah, that's when you
Speaker 1: want the tax to right, Yeah, that's when I need that.
Speaker 1: I need that Barnett tag. I mean there's people that
Speaker 1: think that Barnett might have more more sacks than say
Speaker 1: a guy at A and M. Barnett's a guy here's
Speaker 1: and he had Reggie White's number double digit sacks at Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little it's I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: anything Horse just said. Really, but the problem is if
Speaker 1: you're trading up in the first round, Yeah, you're either
Speaker 1: getting you're getting rid of a premium pick you are getting,
Speaker 1: whether it's sixty or ninety two, or if you want
Speaker 1: to get rid of next year's first which sounds terrible.
Speaker 1: I hate that. I am I get and you gotta
Speaker 1: going to just give me an example going to Oakland
Speaker 1: even at twenty four or four spots gonna cost you
Speaker 1: a third. Think about that. That's I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: what you But maybe it's what you have to do
Speaker 1: if if if you, if you don't want to have
Speaker 1: the chaos at twenty eight. Here's fortune favors the bolt.
Speaker 1: Here's my counter argument, which is even at twenty four,
Speaker 1: like that that ten sack of year guys probably gone
Speaker 1: by like ten to fifteen. I meant to pend that's fair,
Speaker 1: too fair, So forget that. Basically, No, I was just
Speaker 1: trying to go up a little bit. On top of that,
Speaker 1: you need to come out of this draft with at
Speaker 1: least one, if not two, defensive backs who have the
Speaker 1: potential to contribute right away. Sure, and getting rid of
Speaker 1: premium picks is not the way it would gotta be.
Speaker 1: Got to be aware though, of teams wanting to bail
Speaker 1: and you know, and like just wanting to bail so
Speaker 1: badly that they're willing to sell their picks short. I
Speaker 1: talked about that on the round. Well, the Cowboys did that,
Speaker 1: and I mean, hey, they found the best center in football,
Speaker 1: so all credit to them, but they they gave up
Speaker 1: a third. They left a third round pick on the table.
Speaker 1: They drastically they got fleeced by the forty nine trade. Sure,
Speaker 1: they gave up, they had one third round pick to
Speaker 1: move back fourteen spots. That is unbelievable to me to
Speaker 1: this day. Yeah, so, I mean, crazier things have happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess. But yeah, when you know you're getting an
Speaker 1: All Pro center, I think you're good and that. Of
Speaker 1: course it's funny. Nobody's complaining for five years later, but
Speaker 1: at the time was no. There were some serious concerns
Speaker 1: about friend. We need to I think we need to
Speaker 1: have perspective to whoever they get at twenty eight. It's
Speaker 1: just unrealistic to think that SA guy. Yeah, especially as
Speaker 1: rookie or even in year two. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: maybe they can eventually develop into that was the one Troy,
Speaker 1: but he was a top ten javon curse verse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a mid first rounder so, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: a light first round. It's not realistic to think you're
Speaker 1: going to get a double digit sack guy at twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's I'm sorry, Well, no, I say early in
Speaker 1: his career especially, but even throughout his whole career. That's
Speaker 1: kind of been my argument, my personal argument, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would rather have a pass rusher at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a dB because I just I don't
Speaker 1: know how much the twenty eighth overall pick is going
Speaker 1: to do to revamp your pass rush right away, whereas
Speaker 1: you can make some serious strides with your secondary with
Speaker 1: the right picks. Real quick, Adam Schefter just tweeted this,
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft picks have been selected as seventeen combined, seventeen
Speaker 1: more Row bowls than any other teams has two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. Yeah, so let's say cow was a done
Speaker 1: okay draft? Yeah, give them gives them some credit for
Speaker 1: that for sure, because when I was there, we were
Speaker 1: not very good. So we're making up for it. We'd
Speaker 1: use a few more playoff wins. Absolutely, that help. Okay, Kit,
Speaker 1: you gotta in Dallas, Joe, go ahead, what do you
Speaker 1: got hey, guys, I'm assuming we are running back at
Speaker 1: cornerback in the first two rounds, so I want to
Speaker 1: focus on our third round pick, specifically, we addressed our
Speaker 1: safety position. Joe, real quick, did you say running back?
Speaker 1: Did you say running back first? I'm so sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, no, I mean defensive end. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Now now we're going back. All right, now we're good,
Speaker 1: let's roll. Yeah, we're going I'm so sorry. No, no,
Speaker 1: We're get the third round. Okay, go ahead, say so,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming let's just assume we address our safety position
Speaker 1: in that third round. Gotch, what guys are you looking
Speaker 1: at not just based on grade, but scheme fit for
Speaker 1: the type of defense that we are going to need
Speaker 1: for that strong safety type. And I have the names
Speaker 1: Josh Jones, Eddie Jack, Yeah, Justin Evans A, Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: I like them all. Who do you guys like for us?
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Joe, good question, Really appreciate you. And
Speaker 1: he goes. Last two that he mentioned are the key
Speaker 1: ones there to watch? Xavier Woods and uh Justin Evans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both those guys both visit. Yeah, both visit. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: show an interest in both. Jones go higher than the
Speaker 1: third you think North Carolina State Jones, Josh Jones, Josh Jones, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: see yeah, he's thinking he's stinking ninety two. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think even safety's any mentioned might yeah, Michael a
Speaker 1: little b. Xavier Woods might not last that long. Justin
Speaker 1: Evans might not last off, so you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of cross your fingers that one might be there. But
Speaker 1: I think those are the names to know. It's it's
Speaker 1: tough when you're picking Laton around, like yeah, but those
Speaker 1: are definitely the names to know that could be a fit. Here. Guys,
Speaker 1: that Fedrick Thompson. That was a guy I know, I know,
Speaker 1: we we that was a tell me more a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He was a visit too, and and
Speaker 1: Dane and I were not jumping up and down about him,
Speaker 1: but there was a name sounds rich. It is rich
Speaker 1: one thirty and I know y'all don't really like him,
Speaker 1: but like I would draft him at one thirty three.
Speaker 1: Probably is that what you think you'd have to drafting
Speaker 1: there to get him? Probably? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's sixth round, Greade. What do we What do y'all
Speaker 1: think about? I'm with you on that. The guy I'm
Speaker 1: in the fifth? What do y'all y'all are off on? Jackson?
Speaker 1: Not fans ed Jackson? He's he's really tough. Because you
Speaker 1: talk about flash plays, he made a lot of them.
Speaker 1: It reminds me so much. And this is gonna sound
Speaker 1: so crazy. It reminds me when we watched Ed Reid. God, okay,
Speaker 1: no no safety ever, no, no, no, no. And this
Speaker 1: is why because if you watched Ed Reid play at Miami,
Speaker 1: remember I tell you guys the story how he was
Speaker 1: completely off the screen. Yeah, and then he gets to
Speaker 1: Miami and it's gonna get to Balltimard. He's like the
Speaker 1: second coming of what a Hall of Fame guy. And
Speaker 1: that's and rightfully so. But he was a really, really
Speaker 1: hard evaluator because it a heart evaluation because it's always
Speaker 1: you know, somebody at Alabama is going to rally to
Speaker 1: the ball and get the guy down, right, So by
Speaker 1: the time he gets to the ball, balls down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's never you never see him in a bunch
Speaker 1: of tackles because there's some linebacker or some defensive end
Speaker 1: or some cornerback making a tackle before he gets to
Speaker 1: the play. And that's the tough thing with Eddie Jackson
Speaker 1: is that's a tough evaluation. Talers see him in there, right,
Speaker 1: the talent around him. How much did that help him
Speaker 1: make those interceptions? Yeah, not have to make some of
Speaker 1: those plays and run support a factor in his durability.
Speaker 1: It has not been, has not been a good things.
Speaker 1: He's been banged up over over the last two years.
Speaker 1: Former corner moved to safety. I get it, there are
Speaker 1: things that I like about him, but I'm not touching
Speaker 1: him until Day three. Yeah, all right, Kim, Michael and
Speaker 1: San Antonio go ahead. Hey, guys, does the news breakout
Speaker 1: yesterday of Jalen Smith's progress influenced this draft to where
Speaker 1: maybe we don't need a linebacker in those top one hundreds.
Speaker 1: And my second question is, I'm gonna make a bold prediction.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say the Cowboys are going to move
Speaker 1: into the late fifth or at least sixth round to
Speaker 1: trade and select quarterback Chad Kelly. Tell me if that's
Speaker 1: a bad pick or a good pick. There. Thanks, guys.
Speaker 1: I not to pat myself on the back. I'm regardless
Speaker 1: of what we're hearing about Jaylen Smith. I never thought
Speaker 1: linebacker was like a huge priority in this draft. Just
Speaker 1: because you've obviously got Sean Lee, they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: give Jaalen Smith a chance to prove them right or
Speaker 1: wrong before they try to draft his replacement. And the
Speaker 1: fact that he's wiggling his toes, which is the news
Speaker 1: that Michael was talking about Yeah, that only in further
Speaker 1: enforces what they already thought. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: you know, Damian Wilson has shown some promise. He looked
Speaker 1: pretty good sam linebacker and farterback, and Anthony Hitchins is serviceable.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I don't see it as being something. And
Speaker 1: I think they've drafted a linebacker every year going back
Speaker 1: to like oh eight, so I get that they just
Speaker 1: do that anyway, I can't see him doing that until
Speaker 1: like day three. I don't think they would do it
Speaker 1: with a premium pick if at all. Yeah, I would disagree.
Speaker 1: I think the news again, the whole news about Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith is let's just get him out there playing. Let's
Speaker 1: see him, Let's see him put on a gear, Let's
Speaker 1: see him take on blocks, Let's see him be effective
Speaker 1: and doing all that. And once that's the case, then
Speaker 1: I think everything's fine. But there's there's still a lot
Speaker 1: of things that have to a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of bridges that have to be crossed before they get
Speaker 1: to that point. But at least the news is somewhat encouraging. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chad Kelly, late boy, I'll tell you what. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna draft a guy who's no baggage. Let me see
Speaker 1: the scheme fit though, scheme fit for what Dallas is
Speaker 1: trying to do with the read the readopt the way
Speaker 1: the scheme, the read option stuff, the you know, throwing
Speaker 1: the football down the field a little bit. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I mean throwing underneath stuff. He's athletic enough, you can
Speaker 1: do that kind of stuff. But do you want that
Speaker 1: type of personality in your quarterback room with your young
Speaker 1: cored Not that Dak Prescott would be easily influenced, yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing like that, But still, do you want that type
Speaker 1: of type of guy with those character questions in your
Speaker 1: quarterback room with another young quarterback? It's not something that
Speaker 1: I think I would avoid that. Yeah, if I were
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Yeah, and I don't think you trade up
Speaker 1: for a guy like that, or you know, you don't.
Speaker 1: If he's there in the seventh maybe you take a shot.
Speaker 1: But you know it's I don't like it for this team.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but I do think they will add one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. Thanks Stephen Jones. Yeah, I think Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones is pretty adamant about that. All right, Well, that's
Speaker 1: all the time we have for today. Tomorrow tomorrow we
Speaker 1: got again, same time, eleven am Central. We're gonna hit
Speaker 1: a seven round mock draft and we're gonna have all
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Speaker 1: thing out. It's just not gonna be picked players. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about why we picked the players, and you know,
Speaker 1: if we have opportunities to move up, move back, we're
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