1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Ron and Nannian from one of those mechanics everybody loves 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: to hit. I'm an equal opportunity offender. Now the Car Doctor. 3 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: We just want to be here for you. That's what 4 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: this radio show is all about. Welcome to the radio 5 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Aian the Car Doctor, since this 6 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world will return to for 7 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 8 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 9 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 10 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six nay 11 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: nine and now running. Hey, start your engines, and if 12 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: they don't, you definitely want to stick around for the 13 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: next two hours because I'm Mornini in the Car Doctor 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: at five five five zero nine nine zero zero. I'm 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: here to take and answer your calls and help you 16 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: make sure that engine does start and everything else involved 17 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: with your automobile or truck or whatever does you drive 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: to thrive and survive within this great country of ours. 19 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: As we move forward down the road, and let's talk 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: about it at eight five five five zero nine nine 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: zero zero. Awful lot going on in the next two hours. 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: I think actually, we're gonna refrain from doing anything other 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: than conversations with you. So when you pick up the 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: phone and give us a call, that's what we're gonna 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: try and do for the next two hours. Get back 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: into it. We were out last week, if you will recall, 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: we were up at the Westchester Marriott with a group 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: over at T s T Technician Service Training. What a 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: great show that was close to technicians from around the region. 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Had had paid money to sit there all day long 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: to show you the dedication of this industry and learn 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: about the latest and greatest from the best in the brightest, 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: and it really was a great day to be there. 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: What a great event. We met a lot of people, 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: saw a lot of new friends, so a lot of 36 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: old friends people haven't seen in a long time. And um, 37 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: I just have to do this real quick for the 38 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: girlfriend of Bob Turner. Bob Turner was there. Nobody knows 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: who Bob Turner is. Bobby Turner was my original cohort 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: in crime doing radio a million years ago, way back 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: in and there I am doing the show and Bob 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: Turner walks up and that big Grinny hasn't changed a 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: single bit in the in the fifteen years since I've 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: seen him last, and it was just a good time 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: to see him, and we had to take a picture. 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: We took a picture together and for his girlfriend or 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: his lady friend, whatever she might be. At this point, um, 48 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: he said, you know, you gotta take a picture with 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: me because Pat doesn't believe that I really know you. 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: And I said, not a problem. So Pat, yes, Bob 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: does know me. We are we are friends. And um 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: uh he was one of the original cast of characters 53 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: on this radio show a million years ago, so him, 54 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: let's just leave it at that. So uh, you know, anyway, 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: moving on, Um, busy week at the shop. We got 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: out of there last night at quarter to nine, so 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: you can imagine what kind of week we had. Danny 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: and I were busy pounding it out and making it 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: work and just a bunch of interesting cars. We finally 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: finished up, and I told you I would report on this. 61 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: The Oh three Chevy Tahoe, the fuel tank that was obsolete, 62 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: and and by the way, as an aside, wouldn't you know, 63 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: we we get the gas tank for the Oh three 64 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Tahoe and we go through all the things that we 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: have to to make that fit and work, and I'm 66 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: out on I A t N. If you recall we 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: met with We had Scott Brown from I A t 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: and the International Automotive Technicians Network website for Mechanics by 69 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Mechanics on the show last week, and why don't you know, 70 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm out on I T N and the forums the 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: other night and there's a guy on there with an 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: OH three expedition, a Ford expedition. Hey, I can't get 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: a gas tank for this truck. What do I do? 74 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: It's gone obsolete from Ford and da da da da 75 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: da da. And I steered him over to Nordstrom Roder 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: recycle ers in South Dakota explained the whole thing to him. 77 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: It just it boggles my mind, you know. And on 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: a on a separate note, who cares how many miles 79 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: the oil change will go on, how long the engine 80 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: will left, It doesn't matter. In ten years, you're not 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: gonna able to get parts of the thing anyway. The 82 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: way they're going and the way they're writing it, that's 83 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: that's the horse of another color. So we worked on 84 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the old three TAH and we were able to squeeze 85 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: it back together amidst the rust and just just amazing 86 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: how the vehicle has fallen apart, although judging by the 87 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: amount of snow New England is getting right now within 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: the sounds of our voice, we've already talked to a 89 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: few main in New England polars today that are talking 90 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: about there they've got ten inches of snow and it's 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: still coming down. Uh. You know, you understand why the 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: trucks and the vehicles are in such rough shape. But 93 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: there was a braided ground strap and this is I 94 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: thought this was interesting. There was a braided ground strap 95 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: out of copper braid. It came off the fuel filler neck, 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: ran from the top of the neck down to the 97 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: frame about you know, twenty four maybe away. And Danny said, 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: what's that forna, Well, that's static electricity. They're they're they're concerned. 99 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: They've gotta be. There's gotta be a concern about static 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: ground or static electricity. Maybe when the guy puts the 101 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: nozzle in the pump, you know, when he puts it 102 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: in the neck, or maybe for some other reason, maybe 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: radio interference off the fuel pump when the fuel pumps running. 104 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: To worry about a static discharge, you know, it's it's 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: it's not a question of that, it's a question of 106 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: why did they make it out of braided copper? And 107 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't have that answer. I think, you know, maybe 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: it was more flexible, And I said I would ask 109 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: on air see if anybody had a better idea. So 110 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: if you have a better idea on why that was 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: like that, you ever look at it? Is? Why is 112 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: it a braided ground strap? Why isn't it insulated? Why 113 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: isn't it Why do you have to make this separate 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, scrap like that. There's gotta be a reason 115 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: because this one had disintegrated and falling apart. So we 116 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: put a we put an insulated ground on there. And 117 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going anywhere, but um, just just 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: you know why. There's always a reason why. As Pierre 119 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: Respose said on the last segment of last week's show, 120 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: he said, be like a two year old, ask why 121 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to it aumobile, So we're asking why. 122 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: See if anybody knows dropped me a line? Dropped me 123 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: an email ron at Car Doctor Show dot com, let's 124 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: kick the garage doors open. Let's go over and talk 125 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: to us. That able in Bridgewater, New Jersey with some 126 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: comments and questions about a memory saver able. Welcome to 127 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: the car doctor. How can I help? Uh? Yeah, thank you? 128 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: How you doing good? I have accurate m d X 129 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: and uh some better meason. Now it's original. Um so 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: we're going on seven years and I it's working okay, 131 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: but I like this. I learned from you as don't 132 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: trust that after there's been this this old so sure 133 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: I was looking. I was looking at replacing it, and uh, 134 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: I have a memory saver that I was going to 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: connect to the O B dport. And as I was 136 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: looking through what type of batteries are out there and 137 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: doing some research, I ran across UM something on the 138 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: website that said, UM it had it had the battery 139 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: said this is the battery recommend but they had a 140 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: warning thing, do not use memory saver on this vehicle. 141 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: I wonder why, and sorry, I wonder why. I know 142 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: of no vehicle we don't use a memory saver on, 143 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and there's there's there's no there's no suggestion not to. 144 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: It's usually quite the other way around to use a 145 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: memory saver simply because we want to retain the settings right. 146 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: And that's why I didn't understand why. And I actually 147 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: called UM called that parts store and asked them if 148 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: they had any idea why, and they said they didn't know. 149 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: They said, a little researcher on the internet. Yeah, Now, 150 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: who's the parts store is? Out of curiosity? Um, it's 151 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: autos on. Okay, there you have it. Um yeah, uh 152 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately, let me let me tell you something 153 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: about parts houses. Auto parts houses are fast becoming where 154 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: it seems. I don't want to say that. This is 155 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: a harsh statement, and I'll admit that upfront. It seems 156 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: that parts houses, some of them, are becoming places where 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: if you can't do anything else, now you go and 158 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: try and sell autoparts. I mean, listen, there's a bunch 159 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: of great parts house. O'Reilly auto parts professional, you know, 160 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: on top of their game. They know what's going on. 161 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Advanced auto parts right behind them. Okay, so there's a 162 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: bunch of great ones. Auto Zone. I don't hear good 163 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: things about Auto Zone. It's it's sort of becoming the 164 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: thirteenth grade. Uh you know, it's it's it's just a 165 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: weird comment. That's not the answer. Somebody should be giving you. 166 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: Somebody should be giving you. G I don't know. Let 167 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: me go and you know, find out. Let me go 168 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: contact the web people or here's who you can call. 169 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: As far as as as far as why they're saying 170 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: not to use a memory saver, you know, I can't 171 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: come up with a reason why not every every accurate 172 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: md X and everything else that rolls into the shop. Uh, 173 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: the industry insists on using a memory saver as as 174 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: as as part of a battery replacement. Yeah, And that's 175 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: why I was doing That's why I was going down 176 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: that road. And I was wondering, Okay, well, is there's 177 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: something because I remember one of the one of your 178 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: show's previous you mentioned about sometimes you need to marry 179 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: the battery to the vehicle, and there's a little this 180 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: type of stuff. Um, so I figured even maybe there's 181 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: something else that I'm not aware of, but it seems 182 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: kind of odd to me. Also, Yeah, no, the the 183 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: reference to marrying the battery to the vehicle is coding 184 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: the battery is a conversation. Generally, we have about four 185 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: vehicles BMW Mercedes a lot of the European upper end vehicles, 186 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: and it's slowly working its way into GM and some 187 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: of the other car lines where when you replace a battery, 188 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: they want you to do a BSM Battery service monitor 189 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: reset to actually tell the onboard computer, Hey, I change 190 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: the battery now look at the resistance value and it 191 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: will charge accordingly. So you know that's that's clearly part 192 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: of the process. And for the record, if you're interested 193 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: in a good battery, go get something with power frame 194 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: grid technology. You hear me talk about it. Power frame 195 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: grid technology is a it's a technology for lack of 196 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: a better way to put it, it's how the battery 197 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: is constructed. It's how the plates are physically made. And 198 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: power frame grid technology is a better mouse trapped in 199 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: a sense. It's the plates are made better, they're formed 200 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: differently than conventional batteries, and they do last longer. So 201 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: that is a proven study, improven reports. If you want 202 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: to google something or research something, research power frame grid 203 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: technology and see what that brings up. And you can 204 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: find more online. Uh to read about it on your 205 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: own power frame dot com. But clearly, power frame grid 206 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: technology is what you're looking for in the way of 207 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: a battery, and that's not anyone particular brand that's in 208 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, a a brand of battery, but that is 209 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: a style of manufacturing. If that makes sense for you, Yeah, 210 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: thank you not that. I will certainly look into that 211 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: um and understake it from there. I really appreciate your help. 212 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: Thank you, You're very welcome. Good luck to you. And 213 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: if you get an answer to that, able give us 214 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: a call back. I'd like to hear what kind of 215 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: an answer somebody comes up with. But like I said, 216 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: I know of no reason why not plugging in and 217 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: doing a memory save is considered the right way to go. 218 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense to me either. I think 219 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: you're on the right path five zero nine zero zero 220 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: running any of the car doctor coming back right after this? Hey, 221 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: welcome back. Why don't name of the car doctor rolled 222 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: them along at a zero nine nine zero zero. Let's 223 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: get over to John and Winslow Main fourteen jeep Grand Cherokee. John, 224 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: you're out with the car doctor, sir? How can I help? Yes? 225 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: I had. I went down for an inspection and my 226 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: annuals oil chain and the oil chains and they they 227 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: get the inspection and they told me that they they 228 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: comment was the steering rack was leaking. So I figured 229 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: it must have done the Poula steering. That's all I 230 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: can understand. But I told him if it would be leaking. 231 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: Wouldn't there be something on my garage floor? And they says, well, 232 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: we don't know, And I said, well, I don't have 233 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: anything on my floor and I always garage my car 234 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: every time I bring it home. This is this is 235 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: a fourteen jeep Grand Cherokee, right John, with seven thousand 236 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: miles of Okay, who's that? Who's only on the original 237 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: it's never been in an accident. Who's they? Is they 238 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: the dealer or is they someplace? It's the dealer, Okay, 239 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm always taking my cast to the dealers. That but 240 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: all that's my four jeep? Right And you know, are 241 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: they saying that it's not under warranty, that it's it's 242 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna be out of warranty? Actually, let me get I 243 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: don't mind that, you know, I just don't understand that. 244 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: They say that there was no fluid in my reserve. 245 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: I said, where did it go? They just tell me, 246 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: and well, we don't know. Well, let me ask you 247 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: this question. They just did an oil change. Right by 248 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: the way, I'm guessing you're I'm guessing your warranty ran 249 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: out at thirty six thousand miles and you know, right, 250 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: and here you are at thirty seven. When was your 251 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: last Just out of curiosity, when was your last oil change? 252 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: What mileage? Do you know? Uh? It was six ago? Okay, 253 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: So so here's bringing in a little early. Here's another 254 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: argument for extended range oil changes. Right. Can you imagine, 255 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: just just as an aside, John, can you imagine if 256 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: you were running you know, there's talking the industry now 257 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: they want to go to twenty thousand mile oil change 258 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: intervals by mobiles coming out with some special oil, and 259 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: the oil manufacturers are talking about step ing it up 260 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: to where you'll get an oil change once every twenty 261 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: thousand miles. Can here's a perfect example. Can you imagine 262 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: if you had a twenty thousand mile oil drain interval 263 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: and you just tried to drive this vehicle to the 264 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: point where you ran the power steering system completely dry. 265 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: You would have damaged You would have damaged the pump, 266 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: you would have damaged the rack, and it would have 267 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: been a much more costly repair, not to mention your safety. 268 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: What do I know? Let me get back to the question. 269 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: So my comment here is when you had the oil 270 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: change done, did they charge you for power steering fluid? 271 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I had the bill in front of me and they 272 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: just say fluids. Let's it. They don't. They don't tell 273 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: me if if they put a power upward. I'm a 274 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: little shocked at thirty seven thousand miles that this vehicle 275 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: needs a Are they saying it needs a steering rack 276 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: or there is a other type of leak here? Where 277 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: did they say the leak was? I'm reading the invoice 278 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: they gave me. It says steering rack leaking. Okay, And 279 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: they ordered the pots and the total bill will be 280 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: originally will be a thousand dollars. I'd get a second opinion. 281 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: I would listen, listen, there's two ways to approach this. 282 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: You're they going to get a second opinion. Have you 283 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: purchased four jeeps from this same dealer? Okay? John? If 284 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: you purchased four vehicles for me and you were a 285 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: thousand miles past your warranty, the conversation would be John, 286 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. But the steering on the assumption the 287 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: steering rack really needs to be replaced, all right, I'm 288 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: not saying it does, and I'm just saying it doesn't. 289 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: I just I just you know, what if it just 290 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: if it walks like a duck and looks like a duck. 291 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: It's a duck. It's just starting to quack a little 292 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: bit from me. I would go back to the dealership 293 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: and say, listen, I've I've come back to you guys 294 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: four times, four jeeps over what probably twelve fifteen years correct, 295 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: even less than that trade every three years. John, You're 296 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: a great customer. I am. I know that. And I'm 297 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: still not done talking these people, because I had other 298 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: problems that day and I had to get home and 299 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't get to him right. So my my point is, 300 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: it's a thousand miles past warranty. Every dealer in the 301 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: country known to existence from everyone I've talked to, they 302 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: have some latitude as far as customer satisfaction. All right, 303 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: If it legitimately needs a rack and you're just out 304 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: by a thousand miles and you've done all the service, 305 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: they owe you something. They I don't care what it is. 306 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they'll buy the part and you pay the labor. 307 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: They owe you something. All right, you've been you've been 308 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: too it a customer. You're entitled. You you know you've 309 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: you've counted on them to keep the vehicle in condition. 310 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: And I'd have a hard time swallowing that pill because 311 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: I always try to look at it from the customer's 312 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: point of view. Listen, I'm not bragging or patting myself 313 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: on the back. We had a customer come in twenty 314 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: two months ago. We did four wheel brakes on the 315 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: vehicle and they went a total of eight thousand miles 316 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: in twenty two months. One rotor was bad. It started 317 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: to develop a break shake at speed. Put the rotors 318 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: on the car. Didn't charge them anything. They looked at 319 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: me and they said why. And I said, because you're 320 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: a customer, Because that's the value of a customer. And 321 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to say, oh, look what Ron did. 322 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: My point is, you're a customer. You've been paying the 323 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: bills all this time. You're entitled to something. You gotta 324 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, you're counting on the mechanics to take care 325 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: of you, and um, you know, do what's supposed to 326 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: be done. So I'd go back and talk to them, 327 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: a are you sure it needs a rag? And big, 328 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: is there something you can do for me? Because I've 329 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: been such a customer and I continue to come back 330 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: and count on you guys. Let's see how they do it. 331 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: Like I always say, a good cup of coffee conversation 332 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: with your mechanic. Every once in a while, it doesn't 333 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: hurt the relationship. Let me know what happens, John, I'm 334 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: curious to hear I'm running any in the car doctor. 335 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: We are back right after this. Hey, welcome back, Nat 336 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: of the car doc. Let's get over and talk to 337 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Bob in Montauko for Chrysler and some problems with a 338 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: battery dying. Bob, Welcome to the car doctor, sir. How 339 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: can I help? How are you doing good? What's going on? 340 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: I got two thousand a Dodge caravan. It's used as 341 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: a third cost. I just use it for every three 342 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: weeks or four weeks, I picking things up anyway. You 343 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: normally I have to jump the car to get it going. Okay, 344 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: and wait, wait, wait, what do you mean jump the 345 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: car to get the battery is usually dead. I know 346 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: I have something wrong in the power window that drains 347 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: it slowly, but that wasn't what I was calling about. 348 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: But the battery is usually dead, so I usually have 349 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: to jump it. I went to jump the car after 350 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: it was sitting for about a month, and right away 351 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: I didn't even have the keg innignition. And then you 352 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: started started cranking over all, right, um, sort of words, 353 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: you hooked up the jump box or your your alternate 354 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: power source. Yeah, I jumped it from my other car 355 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: like I always do, probably did a hundred times, but 356 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have the cake innignition, so I went to 357 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: as soon as I touched the battery from both cars 358 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: and connected the batteries to jump it. But the starter 359 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: in the car just started turning over. And what did 360 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: you do to get at the stop? Well, I disconnected 361 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: the battery. So then I had my son go and 362 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: turn the key on, and I did the same thing 363 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: as if you were starting the car, and the motive 364 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: would go. But it was all kinds of strange noises 365 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: and so on. So after it cranked on its own, 366 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: we'll call it the ghost crank. After it did the 367 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: ghost crank, you put the key in the ignition, turned 368 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: the key on, hook the battery up, and it started 369 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: by itself. But then it started to make like and 370 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: I bet you it sounded like something was getting shredded. 371 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: Und right, It probably sounded like as if you went 372 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: to start the car and the engine was already running 373 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: and you hit the key to go to crank, and 374 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: it made that how that loud? And so you know, 375 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: why can't we have a bad I mean, this could 376 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: be complicated. This could be simple, Bob, Why can't we 377 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: have a bad starter solenoid that engaged the starter on 378 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: its own? You know, if we had a dead short 379 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: and the solenoid to ground and the solenoid was engaged 380 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: and pushed the winding out, pushed the drive out and 381 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: it just started cranking, right, this could be a bad starter. 382 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: This could This could also be Um, do you have 383 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: an after any thing after marketing the vehicle in the 384 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: way of an alarm system or a remote start? Okay, 385 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: So then what I would tell you to do is 386 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: I would get down to the starter. You're gonna have 387 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: a heavy cable which is the battery feed, and you're 388 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: gonna have a solenoid feed. If I remember right, it's 389 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: black with a white trace. But it's gonna be a 390 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: singular solenoid feed. This should be a Mitsuo or a 391 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: dense O starter. And I would look to see do 392 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: you have power on that, because that's how the starter 393 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: is getting energized off the starter relay once you turn 394 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: the key to engage it. If you've got no power 395 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: at the solenoid. But yet the starter cranks on its 396 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: own starters shorter, You've got an internal problem in the starter. Alright, alright, 397 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: now one more point. Yeah, I probably jumped cause of 398 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: my lifetime, or at least two hundred times, all right, 399 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: one prior to this, three times prior to this, three 400 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: jumps prior to this, Let's say about a month and 401 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: a half before that, not paying attention, I hooked up 402 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: the cables wrong I had, And it took me a 403 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: minute to realize that before it happened, even though I 404 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: jumped it and drove it a few times after that. 405 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: Could that have fright something? What's what kind of damage 406 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: you do if you well, you've you've you've put reverse 407 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: polarity in there. Every process or every electrical armature. Everything 408 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: just kind of went the other way. Um, not not 409 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: the processors, but the electrical units. So the fact that 410 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: it ran afterwards, the fact that something didn't explode is 411 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: kind of interesting because I've seen that done, oh I'd 412 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: say probably a half a dozen times in my career 413 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: by other people. And every time the battery has exploded, uh, 414 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, it makes a loud noise depending upon how 415 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: big of a battery and how good of a connection? 416 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: So anything is possible, Bob, But you've got to kind 417 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: of take the problem one step at a time. You know, 418 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: I would, I would, definitely, I would really look at 419 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: why is the battery going dead so much? Yeah? I 420 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: know the power window and the drive a side doesn't work, 421 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: and I think it's just drawing the current because I 422 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: played around with it one day and it started working 423 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: and then to stop again. I gotta probably change. Do 424 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: you do you have a do you have any kind 425 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: of a digital voltometer or anything? Bob? All right, so 426 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: why don't we can you set it to milliams? You 427 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: got a milliam setting on it, um, so why can't 428 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: we put it on a milliams setting and put the 429 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: meter in series with the negative cable and you know, 430 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: give it about First of all, it's gonna take about 431 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: forty five minutes for the computers on the vehicle to 432 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: time out a normal good vehicle at thirty forty five 433 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: minutes four at the time out, all right, And then 434 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: once it goes to sleep, you should see less than 435 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: a fifty milliam draw. So if you have it in 436 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: amps and not milliams, you'll see point five. I'm sorry, 437 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: you'll see point oh five, okay, but if you have 438 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: it in milliams, it will be a fifty milliam draws 439 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: what you're looking for, and anything anything that or less 440 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: is acceptable, anything higher than one at a time, pull 441 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: a fuse out, put a fuse back, pull a fuse out, 442 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: pull a fuse back, just to see which circuit finally 443 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: gets the draw down to an acceptable level. You know, 444 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: at least then you've got a fighting chance, because if 445 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: you continue to do this, you're just gonna end up 446 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: putting a battery in the car holds the battery. It's 447 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: probably three years old, you know, it's you're just gonna 448 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: end up replacing a battery and spending money you don't 449 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: have to spend, all right, Does the car sit outside? 450 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: All right? So then let's let's fix the draw and 451 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: then if you're only using it once a month, and 452 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: I should tell you this part too, you know, three 453 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: weeks is probably the outside fringe of when a car 454 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: will start, all right, And then after that, most of 455 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: the batteries today because of the electronics, will will finally 456 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: you'll need to jump it as you're doing, but you know, 457 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: without the draw there, maybe it'll last longer maybe you'll 458 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: go out and kick it once every two weeks to 459 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: get it to run. But if it's sitting outside, I 460 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: really like to take a solar charger, plug it into 461 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: the O B D two port, leave it on the windshield, 462 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, leave it inside the car on the dashboard, 463 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, the suction cup in to the windshield, and 464 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: charge the battery right through that and maintain the battery. 465 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: I didn't even know they had those. That's a great idea. 466 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can just just just Google search solar 467 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: charger O B D two port and watch what comes up. 468 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: My god, you'll be there reading half the afternoon and 469 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and and then at that point you're not trying. Now, 470 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: you know that the problem becomes in the winter with 471 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: snow and the windshield gets filled with you know, you don't, 472 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: but you know what if you had to jump start 473 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: at three months out of the year versus twelve months 474 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 1: out of the year, you'd be a happy camper. So well, 475 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, I was waiting for the summer to play 476 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: with the window. I hate doing things in the winter 477 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: right right, and but and listen, I hate to see 478 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: it go through and you know, fix the window, and 479 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: then that doesn't solve it. So you know, let's do 480 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: an am draw test. Fifty milliams is industry accepted practice. 481 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: All right, and you know, one at a time, there's 482 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: there's there should be two few boxes in that car, 483 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: one of the passenger compartment, one under the hood, the 484 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: battery distribution box. Keep in mind that you've got to 485 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: give that onboard computer forty five minutes of time out. 486 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: Now that being said, all right, you give it forty 487 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: five minutes of time out, and you want to get 488 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: to the fuse box in the car. What's the first 489 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: thing you're gonna do. You're gonna open the door. It's 490 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: gonna wake up the computer. Right, So you're going to 491 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: have to either you know what I mean when I 492 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: say you're gonna have to manually trip the door latch. 493 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: You're talking down there, the striker open, open, open the 494 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: car door. You know where the striker hits the latch 495 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: when you close it. You take a screwdriver and you 496 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: trip the latch and lock the door. All right, Um, 497 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: if it has an internal switch built into the door latch, 498 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: I don't remember what I know. Four looks like. If 499 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: you don't see an external switch around the doorframe, then 500 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the door A jar switch is built into the latch 501 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: assembly electronics. Okay, so you gonna have to manually trip 502 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: the latch if it's built into the door frame. I'll 503 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: take a small piece of wood and a large pair 504 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: of welding vice gripts with a rag on the inside 505 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: so it's not to hurt the interior if it's a 506 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: nice car, and I'll just tack it against that switch 507 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: and push the plunger down and that keeps. Then the 508 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: computer thinks the door is closed. Then I can open 509 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: the fuse box and do whatever I want and pull 510 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: fuses at one at a time and not affect the 511 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: draw Because you've got to keep the car. The car 512 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: has to be told that it's asleep, otherwise you're never 513 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: gonna get an accurate draw reading. Oh great, alright, excellent advice. 514 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: All right, sir, Okay, let me know what happens, Bob. 515 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Eight zero nine zero zero. Well, I hate, 516 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: I hate I have hand a car with a bit 517 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: with a dead battery. I because you know what the 518 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: other thing is cars is an emergency vehicle. I guess 519 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: the boy scout in me comes out. I was always 520 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: thought to be prepared. You never know when you're gonna 521 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: need that third car, and when you know you're gonna 522 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: have to have to jump started or you know you 523 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: gotta count on it to go. So, um, you know, 524 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: let's let's fix the draw problem eight zero nine zero 525 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: run on any of the car doctor coming back right 526 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: after this. Hey, welcome back the car doctor. Eight five 527 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero. Let's go over and talk 528 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: to Josef and which talk Kansas Crown Vic. Let's see 529 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: what's going on here. Joseph, Welcome to the car Doctor. 530 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: How can I help? Thank you? Ron? How are you doing? Good, sir? 531 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: What's going on? Well, I've got a no crank, no 532 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: start on my grandparents Crown Victoria. I've got all the 533 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: dashlights when they come on, but it sounds like it's clicking. 534 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: But I don't know where the relay or the son 535 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: no it is on this vehicle. Well, the the starter 536 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: relay should be. Um, it's gonna be in the battery 537 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: junction box under the hood. But let's talk for a 538 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: real quick second. You turn the key on, do you 539 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: hear a click or any noise at all? Or is 540 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: it just it just sits there and does nothing? A click, 541 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: A singular click. Okay, so why don't we go down 542 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: to the starter and take a look. There's gonna be 543 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: a single feed, a white with a light blue trace. 544 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: It actually starts out as yellow light blue and then 545 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: goes white light blue down at the starter itself. And 546 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: just do we have power down there when you hit 547 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: the key to crank? Why can't we have a bad starter? 548 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: Make it simple? Before we get too deep into this, 549 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: another question. I have noticed that the amp gage on it, 550 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: it does go down a little bit. Is that normal 551 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: or not? What when you're going to crank it, when 552 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: you're going to start it? Shirts? It's that that that 553 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: that tells me that probably what's going on here is 554 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: the starter is trying to do something but it can't, 555 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: and you're just you're sitting there with your hand on 556 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: the key expecting at the crank you're just deadheading the starter, 557 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: creating a current rum. But I wouldn't I wouldn't take 558 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: that at any real diagnostic routine because I never tried 559 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: to count on the thing that's broken to tell me 560 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: what's wrong with it, you know, in that sense, because 561 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: then i'm i'm i'm, i'm i'm learning the wrong way. 562 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: I'd rather see you sit there and you know, do 563 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: a voltage reading. You have a vault meter, Okay, do 564 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: you have a all right? And maybe just take a 565 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: vault reading negative negative side of the voltmeter at the 566 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: battery and then always measure battery, always measure, always measure 567 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: source voltage. Right, you want to go across the battery 568 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: negative the ground, positive the hot and just you know, 569 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: do you have twelve point three twelve point five vaults? 570 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: So at least you've got a good battery with good 571 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: standing voltage and you know battery. So so let's check 572 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: the battery. Because new doesn't mean good. New means never 573 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: ever worked. Um, even though I'm sure it's the same 574 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: time of your saying about that never ever worked. Um. Plus, 575 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: you know what when we when we do One of 576 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: the things I've learned in order to repair over the 577 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: years is when I do the same thing over and over. 578 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Bet it keeps me sharp and it helps me to 579 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: remember a diagnostic routine in a pattern so that I'm consistent, 580 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: and I do the same thing over and over and over, 581 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: and I tend not to miss a step and I 582 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: fix it faster. It's when I start jumping around and 583 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: and granted, testing source voltage is just a real basic 584 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: first step. But when I start jumping around, that's when 585 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: I start getting beat. Um. You know, you don't get 586 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: you don't get beat too many times in this business physically. 587 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: You get beat mentally, and it's the mental mistakes that 588 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: cost us the game. And it's it's it's just you 589 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: have a recommendation for a good starter. Well, if you're 590 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna put a starter in this, if it comes down 591 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: to being a starter, do you have an o'reillyo to part? 592 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: It's around you. Then get down to Riley Ooto Parts 593 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: and tell them the situation. You got a Crown Vic, 594 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: it's your grandparents car. You're looking for a good quality starter. 595 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: Ask them about warranty and they'll tell you what brand 596 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: down their Kansas Way is gonna work because they'll know 597 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: what works and what doesn't. And they're very good, honest, 598 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: straightforward folks. All Right, you're very welcome. As a matter 599 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: of fact, you can probably get out to their website. 600 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: If you get out to Rileyoto dot com and you 601 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: can you know, see what brands they carry and maybe 602 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: have a little more knowledge before you walk in the door. 603 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: But let's go with let's measure voltage at the starter 604 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: and we're getting a signal from the ignition switch and 605 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: go from there. And if you need more, yosef, I'm 606 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: here for you. You just give me a calloo zero. 607 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: The car doctors coming back right after this, welcome back, 608 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: running the end of the car doctor rolling along. Let's 609 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: real quick, let's get over to Rick and Pittsburgh. Rick, 610 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna take you, but we may have to hold 611 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: you over the top of the our. That's okay, we'll 612 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: just we'll get a selve. We'll start on it now. 613 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: That works well. I appreciate your card is very much. 614 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: There's a situation I had to buy a car very 615 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: quickly after someone hit my car in total it um 616 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: so a friend of mine went to an auction. He 617 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: purchased the two thousand and four Buhicless Saber. But soon, really, 618 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: soon after I took the car over, I got this 619 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: knock underneath the really somewhat loud, repetitive sound on names 620 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: engines D like that just doesn't sound good. I did 621 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: my research and I guess, no, not good at all. 622 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: And I was thinking either flywheel or timing chain. Okay, 623 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: but somebody else mentioned a harmonic balancer. And I'll be honest, 624 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm not that well versed in cars, but I'm previ 625 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: good researcher. So that's where fall. You know, being able 626 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: to draw on the expertise to someone like yourself is 627 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: much appreciated. As as much as we are tempted, And 628 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, I really do, you know, as much 629 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: as we are tempted to use the Internet, and I 630 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: use it, we all do, we all listen. I don't 631 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: think I could go through the day without Google. I would. 632 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: I would be lost at times because you just asking 633 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: so many questions. Um, you know, on a side note, 634 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: do you ever wonder the word fuzz comes from? Why 635 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: why do they call? Why did they call the police fuzz? 636 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: Back in the sixties, Well, we googled, We googled that 637 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: today you know what the answer was because the police 638 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: are always deemed as being fussy, and fussy became a 639 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: derivative of fuzz or that's where fuzz came from. That's 640 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: why they How could you live without Google? I mean, 641 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: how great is that? Anyway? Onto your car? Um, my 642 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: concern would be are you doing damage the more you 643 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: drive it? So as much as we're tempted to let 644 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: the internet try and diagnose it. My other thought is 645 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: do we want to really, you know, try and get 646 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: a mechanic to look at it. And I think that's 647 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: gonna be step one. And I'll tell you what rick 648 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: that We're gonna stopped for the news at the top 649 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: of the hour, most of the affiliates, but hang on 650 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: the phone and when we come back, I'll give you 651 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: some ideas on things that I think this could be 652 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: and what somebody may want to look at. So don't 653 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: go away. I'm running any of the car doctor. The 654 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you