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Speaker 1: Good morning, Cowboys Nation. It is season whatever, episode don't
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Speaker 1: today's episode because Derek Eagleton made a nil advised decision
Speaker 1: over drinks last night. Hello, Um, I'm here with Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Derek Eagles, than amberg Arcia. You know the drill. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about your favorite football team and do all
Speaker 1: that kind of good stuff, and not surprisingly, all the
Speaker 1: cool stuff happens after a day off, right, you think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the downtime. And the response to that
Speaker 1: is they cut one of their most prominent players, which
Speaker 1: sounds weird to say about a third string tight end
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of contract news drops overnights. So
Speaker 1: which topic do y'all want to start with? We're gonna
Speaker 1: get them, We're gonna get to them both, but what
Speaker 1: would you rather talk about right now? Basically, this just
Speaker 1: this started as kind of a dare, like, why don't
Speaker 1: you shoot you know, why don't you just host? No?
Speaker 1: You know, I'd started, Derek said he didn't want to.
Speaker 1: It started with me saying, now, this is roughly about
Speaker 1: ten o'clock last night, and we're standing there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't even prepared for tomorrow's show. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what we're going to talk about. And
Speaker 1: Dave's is, hey, I can host tomorrow, And before he
Speaker 1: could get out I could host. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: that perfect, let's go. Let's go. You be the host tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So that's perfect and you can go with whatever you
Speaker 1: want to go. You're the host. Okay, Actually I forgot.
Speaker 1: I actually wrote down we can do some blanket coverage,
Speaker 1: so we'll just start. We'll start, well this is taken off.
Speaker 1: That means you actually like my sem no I do
Speaker 1: like that first time ever in the history of our
Speaker 1: show that you guys like something I did. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's good. So blanket coverage. The Rico gathers era is
Speaker 1: over for the Dallas Cowboys. That makes you feel blank Derek,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say relieve, but that also makes it
Speaker 1: feel like I was sitting here anxious about it before.
Speaker 1: It's almost just kind of like, Okay, we all saw
Speaker 1: the riding on the wall, so it was just like
Speaker 1: something happened that we already knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Who knew when it was gonna happen, but at some
Speaker 1: point we knew it was gonna happen. We were out amber,
Speaker 1: you and I while talking about this, I think it
Speaker 1: was day three, two or three, when he a ball
Speaker 1: hit him streaking the chest and it just kind of
Speaker 1: fell to the ground and we were like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: just not it's not gonna happen. So to me, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of, you know, it is what we all
Speaker 1: expect it's going to be. It makes me feel disappointed
Speaker 1: because I wanted I wanted him to be that guy.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be the Jimmy Graham and you know,
Speaker 1: the basketball player Antonio Gates type guy that would have
Speaker 1: been cool. I just didn't work. I mean, they tried,
Speaker 1: he tried, didn't work a g It makes me feel
Speaker 1: good but sad at the same time, good because I
Speaker 1: got Will McClay to tell me I was right, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, and I told him to do a
Speaker 1: better job with that, and he that has been his guy,
Speaker 1: and you know, he really wanted him to be successful
Speaker 1: and the field he didn't work out, and obviously I
Speaker 1: told I told Will, I'm like, yeah, they're not always
Speaker 1: all gonna work out. Yeah, you're great at what you do,
Speaker 1: but yeah there's some let me tell you, let me
Speaker 1: tell you. But he is awesome, but sad at the
Speaker 1: same time because I mean, if it had worked out,
Speaker 1: it would have been so good, like because of his physique,
Speaker 1: his size, and the things that he could have possibly done.
Speaker 1: And it's always sad. I mean we talk, especially me,
Speaker 1: I like, well, because we do this show, I criticize
Speaker 1: people and while we watch and all that. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you see a guy
Speaker 1: leave and you know, it's still sad and I'm sad
Speaker 1: for him that it just it wasn't enough, he wasn't
Speaker 1: getting it. I think relieved is a great word just
Speaker 1: and that sounds mean. I don't have any ill will
Speaker 1: toward Rico Gathers, but it is kind of a relief
Speaker 1: because he's the third string tight end and he is
Speaker 1: one of the more like noteworthy figures on this team
Speaker 1: because of his background, because of his you know, he's
Speaker 1: not afraid to talk himself up. He says stuff on
Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter, and everybody wants him to be the
Speaker 1: next Jimmy Graham. And the writing has been on the
Speaker 1: wall for at least like a year that it probably
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen, and it's just kind of a
Speaker 1: relief to not have to juggle that in a addition
Speaker 1: to everything else that's going on. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: that Tom Landry slash Bill Parcels, whoever you want to say,
Speaker 1: has this this you know philosophy of year three. You know,
Speaker 1: you get you get three years to kind of figure
Speaker 1: it out, and for him, he got a full three years,
Speaker 1: and then by the fourth year, I just think that
Speaker 1: they didn't see the progression of this is going to
Speaker 1: continue to get better and better. And how long do
Speaker 1: you hold your your roster hostage for it? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably other positions are needed. I mean,
Speaker 1: a defensive line position, an offensive line. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough cuts there. You can't linebackers. We talk about the yesterday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the percentage that Rico Gathers goes to a new team
Speaker 1: and has more success than he did. Here is blank
Speaker 1: Nick sixty who Okay, you gotta catch more than three
Speaker 1: passes here. I think you can go somewhere and do that. Um.
Speaker 1: The scary part is if they somebody got him and
Speaker 1: try to Maybe not scary, but interesting would be if
Speaker 1: somebody took him and did something else with him, you know,
Speaker 1: position maybe, but that was the worst part of his
Speaker 1: game though, in my opinion, Like I didn't think, I
Speaker 1: think his blocking was. What if what if he's a
Speaker 1: defense I don't know. I don't I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He don't know. He's got to have it. He needs
Speaker 1: to go play he needs to go to Europe and
Speaker 1: play basketball. That's what I would because think about think
Speaker 1: about what he did at Baylor. He led the nation
Speaker 1: in rebounding, doing things that basketball players do in a
Speaker 1: workout thing. Now you've been playing football for three years.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna go over. You got a football body
Speaker 1: with basketball skills that you can make money. He can
Speaker 1: make money in this league doing what he does. I'm
Speaker 1: in this league. I'm sorry, he can in the world
Speaker 1: the world somewhere g league. I mean something, if he
Speaker 1: had done that from the jump, he might be in
Speaker 1: the NBA by now. He might So that's okay, um
Speaker 1: the Cowboy by well, yeah, numbers on that numbers, I
Speaker 1: would put it much slower than that. I would guess
Speaker 1: more like about fifteen percent, because I think the chances
Speaker 1: of that happening are about right opportunities. So it has
Speaker 1: to be the right team. It has to be a team.
Speaker 1: And you know the team is. I mean we all
Speaker 1: know that if you want to say a guy the Patriots,
Speaker 1: if you want to get a guy to achieve more
Speaker 1: than he would achieve other places, they've been one of
Speaker 1: the teams that can sometimes make that. Yea, they if
Speaker 1: they sign him or claim him. I'm not he's a veteran.
Speaker 1: They don't. He doesn't have to be claimed, right or
Speaker 1: thank you would well during training camp. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: that one game suspension though too. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: something that if he winds up in New England, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna bury my head in mind. I mean, they
Speaker 1: just they know how to just kind of create these
Speaker 1: roles for guys, and so if they for a guy
Speaker 1: like him, I could see where maybe they find that
Speaker 1: one thing that he does semi well and they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the only thing you worry about.
Speaker 1: You do this right, and he could give them some
Speaker 1: help in doing that, and it can make him pop
Speaker 1: enough to where we're like, oh, Rico's doing a little something.
Speaker 1: You know, it catches two balls in the game, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing where it's like the more than
Speaker 1: we ever saw him do here. But it's all about
Speaker 1: the role. They put him in a role, a specific role,
Speaker 1: and he does that decently well. So I think the
Speaker 1: percentage is low. You tell me what team it is,
Speaker 1: and percentage may go up, but right now it's say
Speaker 1: fifteen percent. I hope he catches on just you know,
Speaker 1: during training camp, when you have a free minute, you're
Speaker 1: watching other teams preseason games and reading their reports. It
Speaker 1: would give me a hell of a reason to check
Speaker 1: in on the Falcons or whoever if he was there.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys twenty sixteen draft class loses its second member,
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper, and Rico gathers only guys from that draft
Speaker 1: class who aren't still here, not counting Zeke who is
Speaker 1: temporarily not here. All right, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: turn you on to go with that. I thought you're
Speaker 1: about who's right. I thought he was going to go
Speaker 1: and turn it straight into a we actually we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. But no, there's no way
Speaker 1: to do this. There's no way to do this with
Speaker 1: blanket coverage. But the elephant in the room. You've seen
Speaker 1: the reports everywhere, starting early this morning, the Cowboys reportedly
Speaker 1: have offered all of their big three top five money
Speaker 1: and are flummoxed as to why that hasn't why that
Speaker 1: hasn't generated more discussion, gotten more names on more signatures,
Speaker 1: all that good type of stuff. I'm curious for y'all's
Speaker 1: take on this. I ran some numbers on it that
Speaker 1: I want to get to, but just, oh, what's your
Speaker 1: take on that the Cowboys have reportedly offered Dak Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: and Ezekiel Elliott all top five money and yet no
Speaker 1: deals are done. I think I think that statement is
Speaker 1: a general statement to get them all grouped together. I
Speaker 1: think that the top five means is Dak. That's that's
Speaker 1: where the DAC is got to be in the five,
Speaker 1: because you're going to insult Zeke if you say anything
Speaker 1: about other than top two or if not number one,
Speaker 1: he's got to be number one, I think in his mind,
Speaker 1: so three or four is an insulting thing, and I
Speaker 1: think for Cooper it's I think it's got to be
Speaker 1: in the in the top three range. Don't you think
Speaker 1: that's act that's really well done? Because I looked up
Speaker 1: the numbers. I didn't know off the top of my hand,
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Top five works for Dak. Anything other than top two
Speaker 1: is insulting for Ezekiel Elliott, and top three is starting
Speaker 1: to look kind of insulting for wide receiver too, because
Speaker 1: here's the drop Todd Gurley is leading with fourteen million
Speaker 1: a year, Levion Bell's at thirteen, David Johnson's at thirteen.
Speaker 1: The drop to the next guy, who is um DeVante Freeman,
Speaker 1: is eight million a year. So top five money not
Speaker 1: buying it now a little bit of of a moving
Speaker 1: target there because Julio is still there. Negotiation wide receivers
Speaker 1: wide receivers very similar. Mike Thomas just set the market
Speaker 1: at nineteen, Odell beckhams behind him at eighteen. The drop
Speaker 1: off to Antonio Brown is sixteen point seven. Then you
Speaker 1: got Mike Evans and DeAndre Hopkins both making sixteen as well.
Speaker 1: So again like and if Julio sets it again, then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, eighteen million is the number three
Speaker 1: contract at the position. So again, top five is already
Speaker 1: starting to look. But I see, but I still don't
Speaker 1: think that Cooper is necessarily a guy I think has
Speaker 1: to be top three. I think if he's top five,
Speaker 1: you talk about those names, those guys name, he's right
Speaker 1: there with those guys. Those guys still take the deal.
Speaker 1: I think that if he's in the top five with
Speaker 1: those numbers, sometimes you know how numbers can be a
Speaker 1: little bit sure of how they but you're doing the
Speaker 1: best you can there. So I think I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think he's better than those guys. This is. I
Speaker 1: think he's as good. I don't think he's better. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's better than Hopkins. I don't either, and
Speaker 1: I don't think he's better than Why didn't they make
Speaker 1: these offer since we've been at training camp? And that
Speaker 1: another thing to clear up, to clear up the confusion,
Speaker 1: like these offers were not put on the table last night.
Speaker 1: Reporters got wind that these offers existed last night, Like
Speaker 1: these could have been extended before the team even came
Speaker 1: out here for all we know. Just to clarify, I'm
Speaker 1: anxious to see that quarterback list of five, Like, what's
Speaker 1: that quarterback list is the easiest to deal with, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, you got you got Russell Wilson at thirty
Speaker 1: five million a year, Ben Roethlisberger at thirty four, much
Speaker 1: smaller guarantee because it's a shorter deal because he's older.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at thirty three and a half, Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: at thirty two, Matt Ryan at thirty So you gotta
Speaker 1: hit the thirty million mark to get him into the
Speaker 1: top five. But that's kind of what we're all sure.
Speaker 1: He's going to be in that range of thirty to
Speaker 1: thirty five, right, And I don't know why that isn't
Speaker 1: signing the deal. I am surprised about that too. And
Speaker 1: again to go back to I was gonna make the
Speaker 1: same point about wide receiver, whether we like it or not,
Speaker 1: it's not purely about stats and talent. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he caught ten more passes than me, so I should
Speaker 1: be comfortable taking more less money. Like That's not how
Speaker 1: it works. It's the market is set and reset every
Speaker 1: time one of these deals gets signed. So eighteen million
Speaker 1: was top of the line six months ago to a
Speaker 1: month three weeks ago, and it's about to be middle
Speaker 1: of the pack for top tier receivers. I was looking
Speaker 1: at this, I was like, I bet DeAndre Hopkins is
Speaker 1: piss Yeah, because he is. He's about to be a bargain.
Speaker 1: And for my money, I think he is the absolute
Speaker 1: best receiver in football right now. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: make the argument I do so, I thought. I think
Speaker 1: I saw a graph the other day. Last year he
Speaker 1: went like a hundred and fifteen catches without a drop
Speaker 1: like something like that. Something just insane to his imagine.
Speaker 1: And his quarterback play. I know Watson's pretty good, but
Speaker 1: when Watson was banged up, it never changed. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just the same with him. He doesn't like wow his quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best league. I think you're just
Speaker 1: talking about resetting the floor of what's possible. Like Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper was shooting for eighteen million. Now, eighteen million is
Speaker 1: probably the minimum of what he'll accept as a deal
Speaker 1: or his agents, I should say. I think we're also
Speaker 1: making the assumption that the overall money is the lynchpin
Speaker 1: right there there could be other things that are in
Speaker 1: these contracts that could be holding up negotiating guarantees UM,
Speaker 1: that length of the deal UM even for for for
Speaker 1: for Zeke. There could even be some situations where maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't want some stipulations the Cowboys want to protect
Speaker 1: themselves from him getting in trouble off the field. Like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to factor into this absolutely
Speaker 1: that can change, UM A negotiating position on either side
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily have to do with the overall money.
Speaker 1: You know, the guy that messes it up or I
Speaker 1: don't know, messes up just confuses the whole thing at
Speaker 1: quarterback to me is wins because there's other guys there.
Speaker 1: They've won MVPs, they've they've won super Bowls, they've won both.
Speaker 1: UM wins on his way to he got some MVP
Speaker 1: votes and he might have won it that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he would have. And I don't doubt that they
Speaker 1: would have won still won the super Bowls, you know,
Speaker 1: but he's won his mind. He's playing really well. He's
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl, yeah, I mean he has. He
Speaker 1: has got a super Bowl ring, and he led them
Speaker 1: to a position where the backup could come in and
Speaker 1: win games at home. I would imagine, I can't remember
Speaker 1: that they win at home. Yeah, they were the one seed.
Speaker 1: So so he won a super Bowl, I mean history.
Speaker 1: The interesting part about it is years from now, and
Speaker 1: I'm talking twenty years from now, when he's out of
Speaker 1: the league, people that are looking back at the league
Speaker 1: and talking about the league in their minds the back
Speaker 1: of their minds and be like, he didn't win a
Speaker 1: super Bowl because they will think he had a great year,
Speaker 1: he was MVV caliber player and they won a super
Speaker 1: Bowl that year, not even really putting it together all
Speaker 1: the time that he wasn't a quarterback that did. Here's
Speaker 1: that won the super Bowl. Here's what's weird about that.
Speaker 1: If they don't ever win another super Bowl, when a
Speaker 1: lot of fans would listen to this would love that,
Speaker 1: if they don't ever win another one, then it'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of won, but maybe, but if he leads
Speaker 1: them to another one, then he'll have to there you go, right,
Speaker 1: It'll just be like you you have to exactly right.
Speaker 1: So and y'all, y'all don't call We don't call these shots.
Speaker 1: And it's a tough thing to it's a tough thing
Speaker 1: to parse out. But knowing this, so knowing those numbers
Speaker 1: and that these offers have not been accepted by these players,
Speaker 1: what like, what are you willing to do to get
Speaker 1: I mean, are you Are you willing to pay Dak
Speaker 1: more than Aaron Rodgers to get a deal done? No, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I believe that, and I believe that the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: do this. But I believe the Cowboys have kind of
Speaker 1: a budget ye lack of a better way to put it,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're going to extend themselves much
Speaker 1: beyond that. Now. There may be other things they're willing
Speaker 1: to negotiate, but the money's the money. And Jerry's pretty
Speaker 1: forthright about that in this public comments, saying you know
Speaker 1: that they weren't trying to set the market. Um, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they are, I think, and nor should
Speaker 1: they know. I don't think that. I don't think either
Speaker 1: of those three players. Zeke is probably the closest, But
Speaker 1: I don't think either three of those players is the
Speaker 1: best at their position in the league. I think Zeke
Speaker 1: is right there among the best. I think those other
Speaker 1: two are. There are several When we went through the
Speaker 1: exercise of the quarterbacks, what do we have Dak ninth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean I don't think that. I don't think
Speaker 1: they are players that necessitate you saying will blow up
Speaker 1: our financial budget in order to get them, get them signed.
Speaker 1: I think you got leverage with some of them. Now,
Speaker 1: you got to do a deal or two to give
Speaker 1: you some leverage with the with the the franchise tag.
Speaker 1: But I think when it's all said and done, I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys stick to their budgets. You still don't
Speaker 1: know why you really have, right, he hasn't shown it yet, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not not to the level you need them to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, not that that list matters so much, But
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about you know, the peers are
Speaker 1: voting NFL's top one hundred. He's not there. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not in the top fifteen as quarterbacks rated on
Speaker 1: your peers. I think around the league people would would
Speaker 1: put him somewhere in the middle. And the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: offering you top five money. Yeah, um, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't understand what they would be
Speaker 1: waiting for to be in that group that's that would
Speaker 1: be a good deal for Dak. And so I don't
Speaker 1: I don't understand Dak's hesitation. If we can assume that
Speaker 1: these reports are accurate, I tend to think it would
Speaker 1: take market setting to get Zeke here. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: And your point is well made that you know you
Speaker 1: can argue for Gurley and Belle and the fact that
Speaker 1: you can't trust Zeke. But it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably what he wants. But I will
Speaker 1: believe it when I see it. The report that Jescina
Speaker 1: Anderson had out there that he's willing to miss the
Speaker 1: entire season, I don't believe that. I'll believe it when
Speaker 1: I see it. I don't trust the fact when especially
Speaker 1: if this was going to be the final year like
Speaker 1: Levion had last year, where it was like, well they
Speaker 1: gotta they gotta get rid of me after this year.
Speaker 1: They can't hold on to me for another year, then maybe,
Speaker 1: But is a player willing to give up two years?
Speaker 1: And if you're not willing to give up two years,
Speaker 1: then what good is sitting out one year when you'd
Speaker 1: be back the next year. It just to me, the
Speaker 1: whole thing that does not make sense to me. I
Speaker 1: can't see him missing an entire season this year, not
Speaker 1: an entire season, but the number they kept going around
Speaker 1: and last night here hearing a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: the Zeke contract. It was ten games for he's got
Speaker 1: to play six. He's got to play six and and
Speaker 1: so he may not. I don't think he'll miss the
Speaker 1: whole year. But if he's gonna do anything, I gotta
Speaker 1: play six to do what? Like, what's the I think?
Speaker 1: I think? I think so he could get his year.
Speaker 1: He can get that that year, so the year counts,
Speaker 1: so the year with but the still the still the
Speaker 1: thing still about it is that his ten game checks,
Speaker 1: he game checks, I willion dollars for every game. I
Speaker 1: will believe it when I see it, Like that's a
Speaker 1: ton of money. That by the way, a guy's trying
Speaker 1: to get paid. So and you think he wants the money.
Speaker 1: And here's another well, you know the fact that he's
Speaker 1: lost all incentives anyways because of because of the game
Speaker 1: suspension that he got two years ago, so he doesn't
Speaker 1: have those incentives for to get anyways. But he lost
Speaker 1: a lot of money. He lost some you know, with
Speaker 1: legal fees and all that. So I can't imagine him
Speaker 1: wanting to do that. I'll believe it when I see it. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe he will maybe he has enough conviction on this
Speaker 1: and where he's like, I'll take whatever hits coming to me.
Speaker 1: I'll just believe it. When I see, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back to Dak real quick. I will bet everything that
Speaker 1: I have he plays, he plays the first game with
Speaker 1: a new contract. There's no way, there's no way they're
Speaker 1: going to play a game and not take that deal.
Speaker 1: I keep pointing to that because, yeah, can I throw
Speaker 1: out this. I thought about this last night and I
Speaker 1: was It made me think, surely no players would be
Speaker 1: willing to do this. But what if they got to
Speaker 1: pass training camp, play a last preseason game on that
Speaker 1: Thursday night and both all three, Dak, Zeke and Amari
Speaker 1: all said we're out till we get contracts. What happens
Speaker 1: then Jerry and Stephen Jones have a fit. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never been done. It's never been done in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Obviously in the NBA. You know, you've seen teams now
Speaker 1: get to a point where players have a lot of
Speaker 1: sway in the NBA, like they literally are dictating what
Speaker 1: teams are gonna go to. You got guys with long
Speaker 1: term contracts that are basically getting teams to trade them
Speaker 1: because they're at that I don't want to be here anymore.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if ever, there's a scenario in the
Speaker 1: NFL where players feel like they have enough leverage, and
Speaker 1: is that the kind of move they would have to have?
Speaker 1: Like when you got three big time players that are
Speaker 1: all due for a contract, all three of them together
Speaker 1: create enough pressure to where they can force something. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they really went through with that, I would have
Speaker 1: to build I mean the season, the season is not
Speaker 1: happening without those three, Like you're not winning anything. But
Speaker 1: I think like you might not win three games without
Speaker 1: those three players. The biggest risk for them, though, is
Speaker 1: they alienate a bunch of guys in that lock. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and so they that would be the nuclear button, because
Speaker 1: you blow up your team chemistry because that's that just
Speaker 1: screams I'm all about me in a situation where, especially
Speaker 1: for the quarterback, you have to at least project the
Speaker 1: image you're all about the team. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 1: think that would be a nuclear option. I don't think
Speaker 1: they would do it. I don't think it would be smart,
Speaker 1: but it made me think like that could create a
Speaker 1: bunch of really interesting dynamics just across the league. That
Speaker 1: would be seismic across the league when you start talking
Speaker 1: about how teams and players interact when it comes to contracts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that should play. I know
Speaker 1: somebody said going into the season got me thinking, and
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. I don't think he should
Speaker 1: play the first I don't think he should play. Hold
Speaker 1: that thought while we take our first break. I want
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Speaker 1: no football on Monday, so we're talking contract instead with
Speaker 1: this team. I think that's an unret data Radeuh no,
Speaker 1: why just figured if we're talking contract, should be drinking dataade.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: I am not following. Yeah, you're right, piece, great piece
Speaker 1: of viral content we did with number four last week. Nick,
Speaker 1: I want you to expound on what you said right
Speaker 1: before the break about dak not. You don't think you
Speaker 1: should play without a new deal. I really don't, and
Speaker 1: I just think that, and I know Derek you disagree
Speaker 1: with this. We talked about it just now, but I
Speaker 1: just feel like if if something were to happen injury
Speaker 1: wise or whatever. I don't know if the value is
Speaker 1: the same. I don't know if the Cowboys look at it.
Speaker 1: I know the Cowboys will always be that that organization
Speaker 1: that does the I think they did the right thing.
Speaker 1: Let's situation like that. Still think they would try to
Speaker 1: sign him, but I think just you're risking so much
Speaker 1: with him, um going into a season and playing on
Speaker 1: the contract, knowing that how much is sitting on the table.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I just wouldn't do it. And I
Speaker 1: think you can get the leverage if it's just if
Speaker 1: it's right there, if it's really close, I think you
Speaker 1: can get there and maybe you don't have to sit
Speaker 1: out the game, but maybe you float it out there,
Speaker 1: Like what if he doesn't play, You've got to You've
Speaker 1: got to like forced their hand in a little bit.
Speaker 1: He can't. You can't go to the Giants game and
Speaker 1: lose it. So I think if he misses it, then
Speaker 1: I mean I think if if he at least threatens
Speaker 1: the holdout, like I can't start a season without this contract. Well,
Speaker 1: the one thing I think you're right, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are the type of organization that would
Speaker 1: do the right thing, especially by a player that they
Speaker 1: think is in their long term plans. So assuming you
Speaker 1: did get hurt, I think they would probably honor whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. If these reports are true that they have
Speaker 1: these offers out there to those guys, then my thought
Speaker 1: is if he plays the first game and knock on
Speaker 1: wood he gets hurt, then my thought is a Cowbohich
Speaker 1: probably still honor that offer that they have out their
Speaker 1: for him. I don't think they would rescind that because
Speaker 1: he's hurt and say no, now we got a doc you.
Speaker 1: I don't think that happens. And I also think that
Speaker 1: Dak has something to lose. What I mean by that is,
Speaker 1: like I said before, the quarterback has a responsibility on
Speaker 1: a team for everybody on the team to feel like
Speaker 1: he has more of a vested interest in the team
Speaker 1: being successful than himself, because if the team ever starts
Speaker 1: to think about think of the quarterback as being in
Speaker 1: it for himself. It's with any leadership position, when anybody
Speaker 1: starts to think on that team that the leader is
Speaker 1: more and more concerned about his own success than the team,
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose all credibility and so I think for
Speaker 1: somebody like Dak it's very different than even Zeke or Amari.
Speaker 1: I think he has that to worry about if he
Speaker 1: wants to be able to lead this team into the future.
Speaker 1: I think any player that thinks that way would be
Speaker 1: so naive and shortsighted that they're not remembering that this
Speaker 1: guy played for you know, a million dollars six hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty thousand in the first couple of years. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's done it the right way. He hasn't made a
Speaker 1: lot of waves about it. He's been one of the
Speaker 1: most underpaid and undervalued players in the entire league, and
Speaker 1: so now it's his time. So I mean, I think
Speaker 1: for him too, he should also do I mean for
Speaker 1: him or if you go out and don't play well
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, now that number is
Speaker 1: going because right now you're sitting at the top five money,
Speaker 1: that's all okay. I think the problem though, for a
Speaker 1: lot of players in that locker room would be, well,
Speaker 1: then you should have done this back at the beginning
Speaker 1: of training camp, because then Cooper Rush and Mike White
Speaker 1: and whoever else they would have brought in here would
Speaker 1: have been getting those reps and we would be able
Speaker 1: to prepare ourselves to be able to play that first
Speaker 1: game of the season. They were out of you were
Speaker 1: out of training camp, and so I mean you basically
Speaker 1: put us in a position where now we're handicapped going
Speaker 1: into the season without you. And that's more about us
Speaker 1: than it is about you handling your business. Go handle
Speaker 1: your business, because I don't think I don't think they
Speaker 1: think the same thing about Zeke right now. They feel
Speaker 1: like he's handless business. But guess what, they got running
Speaker 1: backs out here that are getting number one reps so
Speaker 1: they can be the guy that plays Week one. It
Speaker 1: you feel like they did that way with the Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Do you think those hotboys thought he was being selfish
Speaker 1: because he wasn't getting the surgery. He was what he
Speaker 1: was forcing their hand a little bit and not saying
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get a surgery until I get
Speaker 1: a new deal. Do you think those guys were upset
Speaker 1: with him? Nobody was doing it kind of for himself too,
Speaker 1: which I didn't disagree with. Once again, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the same situation. I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: Derek is taking advantage of this opportunity and I'm letting
Speaker 1: him run there you go. I don't think it's the
Speaker 1: same situation now if if he would have waited and
Speaker 1: it all it got all the way to training camp,
Speaker 1: let's say, and then he was like, I'm now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like he gets a season again. First game and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm out, I'm not playing. I think that's
Speaker 1: a lot different because you let the whole team go
Speaker 1: through training camp. You were taking the reps. These other
Speaker 1: guys were sitting out, they were taking second rep, third
Speaker 1: team reps, and you were You knew all along you
Speaker 1: weren't going to be there, or there was a potential
Speaker 1: you weren't going to be there for the first game.
Speaker 1: That hurts the team. It's one thing to handle your business.
Speaker 1: And the way he did it in the offseason, Cowboys
Speaker 1: at every opportunity to say, Okay, well we may not
Speaker 1: have him, we may want to draft somebody, we may
Speaker 1: want to get a free agent. Robert Quinn. I think
Speaker 1: part of that was them kind of protecting themselves a
Speaker 1: little bit in the case that they couldn't come to
Speaker 1: an agreement. But the point is they had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to do something different. You don't give them that opportunity.
Speaker 1: If you wait until week one and then say I'm
Speaker 1: withholding my services, I think that it's it would be
Speaker 1: the other way around. I think if it would be
Speaker 1: worse to sit there as the quarterback and say I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna be at training camp and I'll let
Speaker 1: you guys do whatever and let Cooper Rushford sign another
Speaker 1: guy and then finally get a deal, and then I
Speaker 1: come in here and I don't have the chemistry or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's saying, Hey, I'm gonna show up at camp, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this thing. We're gonna get ready, and I
Speaker 1: trust that in these four or five weeks you're gonna
Speaker 1: get this thing going. But if you don't, I can't
Speaker 1: be going into the season against the Giants game without
Speaker 1: a new deal. You said something really interesting there that
Speaker 1: I do agree with. You said, I trust in these
Speaker 1: four or five weeks you didn't get something done. So
Speaker 1: if there was an agreement, a handshake, agreement and understanding
Speaker 1: while we're at training camp, we're gonna get this thing done,
Speaker 1: and then the Cowboys don't get this thing done, now,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a little bit more of a reason why
Speaker 1: he would do that. Because he felt feels like there
Speaker 1: was an agreement and they didn't handle their part of
Speaker 1: the agreement. I don't know that. I think that's the case.
Speaker 1: So I don't think again, I still think that he would.
Speaker 1: He would jeopardize his relationships in that locker room and
Speaker 1: what those players think of him if he put their
Speaker 1: season in jeopardy by doing. Everybody here knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: The players know what's going on with him. They know
Speaker 1: and they understand how this business works. They could know
Speaker 1: in their mind like, okay, this is a possibility, this
Speaker 1: could happen. And when you're dealing with contract talks, what
Speaker 1: is the player actually doing in those negotiations. Negotiations you know,
Speaker 1: that's between the agents and the cowboys. So the player
Speaker 1: could be sitting there drinking, eating whatever, might as well
Speaker 1: be out here doing stuff with the team. I'll say
Speaker 1: this and it's and you know, throw a big cold
Speaker 1: bucket of water on the debate. I really, I really
Speaker 1: feel like this will all get taken care of before
Speaker 1: it's not cutting time. I think time season the start
Speaker 1: of the regular season. I agree with that. I you know,
Speaker 1: it's this is really unique, in my opinion, because usually
Speaker 1: these debates form up when a team doesn't want to
Speaker 1: pay a player, you know, like and the Cowboys want
Speaker 1: to pay these guys. They want to have them under contract.
Speaker 1: They want them to help him win games. Cynically, they
Speaker 1: want them to help him make money too, like these
Speaker 1: are your most profitably your three most profitable players, and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Can I have one more thing into
Speaker 1: name of time, when and you see this a lot
Speaker 1: name of time, when a veteran, high profile guy actually
Speaker 1: sat out games during the regular season and eventually somebody
Speaker 1: in that locker room made a statement that indicated the
Speaker 1: guys in the locker room ward happy with the fact
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. I mean, this happens all the time.
Speaker 1: The Steelers were, It happens all the time. And they
Speaker 1: start off. They start off with us, it's just business.
Speaker 1: He's handling his business. But I think somebody on this
Speaker 1: show even said it last week, it's once it starts
Speaker 1: affecting their business. Not it's a whole different matter. And
Speaker 1: you're losing games because they're not there. Now it's affecting
Speaker 1: their business. And that's what particularly the quarterback has to
Speaker 1: be aware of, even more so than these other position
Speaker 1: players right around the time that I was starting to
Speaker 1: get really anti that the tank situation was gonna mess
Speaker 1: up the season, he signed his deal and that's just
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a cliche, but like, nothing happens until
Speaker 1: it happens, and we're gonna wake up one morning to
Speaker 1: find out that the ink is dry on the contract.
Speaker 1: Cowboys love deadlines. They worked towards they really do, which
Speaker 1: is why the DeMarcus Lawrence thing was so refreshing because
Speaker 1: they didn't happen that way. So maybe hopefully they were like, man,
Speaker 1: that was really great to just kind of get out
Speaker 1: in front of it. Let's do that again. But no,
Speaker 1: they actually did kind of work to what a deadline
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, and the deadline for
Speaker 1: the surgery, like that was what was shame on Probably
Speaker 1: shame on me for thinking that they operated any other way. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, that ran along, not there's anything wrong with that,
Speaker 1: but as long as let's let's just hammer are all
Speaker 1: of this out, because oh what's up? One of the
Speaker 1: things that you mentioned, it just kept resonating in my head.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, these guys do make the Cowboys
Speaker 1: a lot of money, big time. And another thing, Dak
Speaker 1: again we don't know all the details of the contract.
Speaker 1: But aside from the money that is being talked about,
Speaker 1: you got all these brands and what is it like
Speaker 1: companies that want to sponsor you. That's a big part
Speaker 1: of that makes a ton of money. That's a big
Speaker 1: part of the Cowboys pitch is the things that come
Speaker 1: along with being the Cowboys. Quarterback, Campbell, soup, woants you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be on the Sports Center commercials, You're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, Dak Prescott is in like eight different commercials,
Speaker 1: the Oikos yogurt stuff with the Yeah, so that sizeable contracts,
Speaker 1: I mean, sizeable endorsements, that's not gonna stop him. Well
Speaker 1: by the end of the day. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: start adding everything, you're probably making the most money out
Speaker 1: of all the And that's that's the argument that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys make, Like they've said, like what their argument is,
Speaker 1: if we pay you top five, being with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will help you to the top one because nobody else,
Speaker 1: no other brand in professional sports, really has the power
Speaker 1: that the Dallas Cowboys brand does. So if you use
Speaker 1: it properly and stay out of trouble so that you
Speaker 1: actually are marketable, then you have the ability to make
Speaker 1: that distance up. Let's think about this too. He gets
Speaker 1: hurt in the first game, do the Cowboys still do
Speaker 1: a big deal? Who they? I think? I think they will.
Speaker 1: I think so, Okay, does all these sponsors that I
Speaker 1: want to talk to him about the different things? I mean,
Speaker 1: if he's got contracts, he's got contracts, but some of
Speaker 1: the things that his agent's been talking still marketable. It's
Speaker 1: about this base. If he's not playing, no no, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not this year. Hey, let's hold off on that. You
Speaker 1: know we could do that commercial still here? Yeah, I honestly,
Speaker 1: I've seen I mean I've seen guys that have been
Speaker 1: hurt that still had endorsements. Like I don't think it
Speaker 1: just goes away. There guys that retire and still have endorsements.
Speaker 1: It's about the name recognition. Do you have name recognition?
Speaker 1: And what do people think of you when they hear
Speaker 1: your name. If it's good thoughts, then you are marketable
Speaker 1: and people want you'd endorse their product. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: if if there's somebody that's wanted to do a deal
Speaker 1: with Dak and they're gonna shoot a commercial and then
Speaker 1: he gets hurt and they're not doing it. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna do with this. I don't I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a guy in crutches do a
Speaker 1: commercial in October when he's not going to have him
Speaker 1: sit down. He doesn't have to have crutches when he's
Speaker 1: sitting down. The point is, I don't think that kills
Speaker 1: his deals. Like it doesn't kill them, but I think
Speaker 1: it shelves them, just like I don't talk about the
Speaker 1: Campbell's would be like, we still love you, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna put Todd Gurley in the commerce. His name is
Speaker 1: still his name, his reputations. Okay, Okay, Marlow, I hear you.
Speaker 1: You think you think what many people out there got
Speaker 1: that reference? A few? Yeah? I fe they'll tweet us
Speaker 1: and say, Marlow Stanfield let's go um, all right, Well
Speaker 1: now we're really short on time, but I think it's
Speaker 1: never short on time. As much as as much as
Speaker 1: we talk about the Big Three, twenty twenty is going
Speaker 1: to be fascinating just in terms of how many guys
Speaker 1: on this team are not under contract. These these are
Speaker 1: just some like it's it's even longer less than this,
Speaker 1: but Lyle Collins Byron Jones, Robert Quinn, Jeff Heath, Randall Cobb,
Speaker 1: Jason Witton, j Joe Thomas, Malik Collins, Shawn Lee, LP Lattiser,
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin, Xavier Sue a Filo up this year, Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin. That doesn't include Jalen Smith and Antoine Woods,
Speaker 1: who both have restricted deals. Yeah. So my question, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm I was gonna go down the whole list,
Speaker 1: but Mike, I'm gonna pose a couple. Lyle Collins. Does
Speaker 1: his future lie here? I don't think. Now, with everything
Speaker 1: you got on the on the campage, I think you're right. Uh,
Speaker 1: here's okay, here's a good one. Jeff Heath been on
Speaker 1: what kind of deal? Yeah, if you're getting the middle
Speaker 1: of the road deal, I don't see why not, I
Speaker 1: think Jeff Heath, Yeah, I think he'll sign that. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be a middle of the road deal. Would
Speaker 1: you sign him to the same type of deal he
Speaker 1: signed last time, four years, seven million? Yeah, yeah, unless
Speaker 1: I got a better option, which again that'll have to
Speaker 1: you know, that'll have something to do with the draft
Speaker 1: and if I if I can get him to be
Speaker 1: number three, and if I could get him to be
Speaker 1: number three and a special teams guy. That would be ideal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. But you've been trying to replace him. Well,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say you. I think the general consensus among
Speaker 1: fans and media is they've been looking for an option
Speaker 1: to replace him for years and haven't found one. I
Speaker 1: honestly believe, honestly believe, if you get the kind of
Speaker 1: play out of Xavier Woods this year that I hope
Speaker 1: he that I think he will have, then Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: becomes a really good number two. And I think you're
Speaker 1: okay with that number two, Jeff. If Xavier is playing
Speaker 1: to that level and getting the turnovers and actually making
Speaker 1: those plays a change game. If you signed Lyle to
Speaker 1: a big deal or a fair deal, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and then you're sitting let's say you had the twenty
Speaker 1: fourth pick in the draft, would you want to take
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle? If he's the best player there, don't
Speaker 1: window dress your board, Nick, Well, is he gonna play though?
Speaker 1: Oh no? Not if you resign Lyle. Now you're signing
Speaker 1: l and Tyrant's played, you know, great, and then twenty
Speaker 1: fourth pick, You're like, not going to do that. But
Speaker 1: if you resign Heath and the twenty fourth pick is
Speaker 1: a safety and it's a guy. It's really good that
Speaker 1: you like, you're gonna take it still take it, so
Speaker 1: so that kind of answers my question. I just I
Speaker 1: don't sign heat to a deal that I don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about signing another guy. Here's one for you,
Speaker 1: a g Jason Witten and Sean Lee. I think most
Speaker 1: people assume that this is the last year of their career.
Speaker 1: Is there any chance that that's not true? You see
Speaker 1: them here longer than twenty nineteen, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: and maybe depending maybe another one year deal, depending how
Speaker 1: he does this year. Sean Lee just hiring him as
Speaker 1: a coach, I'm ready for defensive coach. Not that I
Speaker 1: mean he's a great player, don't get me wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's interesting looking at your list? I mean, when you
Speaker 1: go over most of those guys, when you separate them
Speaker 1: most of them, not everyone, you can feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy can be replaced kind of easy. But then
Speaker 1: once you put the whole list together, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: replacing a ton of guys like that really changed your
Speaker 1: whole team. And the interesting part about that is, outside
Speaker 1: of Byron and Lyell and Quinn. Of the guys that
Speaker 1: are that are unrestricted free agents, maybe Malik is in
Speaker 1: that category. You don't think you're talking about big deals
Speaker 1: like right, the market for them probably is not going
Speaker 1: to be a big DEALBA market for them is probably
Speaker 1: going to be middle of the row, which is the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have shown they can do those kinds of deals
Speaker 1: and kind of resign their own. It's a hard conversation
Speaker 1: to have in August, though, because you know, if this
Speaker 1: defense really rocks, I mean, if if MALIEK. Collins gets
Speaker 1: eight sacks and goes to the Pro Bowl and this
Speaker 1: team's in the playoffs, changes the conversations Anthony Brown if
Speaker 1: he gets four interceptions for this defense. The tricky one
Speaker 1: is Malik and I could see where the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: try and do a Tyrone Crawford type thing. And I
Speaker 1: also will say, Jay Ratliffe, they tried this on. These
Speaker 1: guys will get out in front of it, try to
Speaker 1: try to sign them now. And does does Malik say,
Speaker 1: well that's pretty decent guaranteed money might want to take it,
Speaker 1: or do they bet on themselves and say I might
Speaker 1: have a blow up beer and and then I need
Speaker 1: a lot more than that from an optics standpoint, could
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Could the Cowboys get away with doing a
Speaker 1: deal let's stay with Malik out here at camp right now,
Speaker 1: with all those other three kind of hanging out there
Speaker 1: and not being done. Just from an optic standpoint, that
Speaker 1: would be, Oh, they don't care about optics. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: but that would be funny. But from a negotiation standpoints
Speaker 1: that helped them? Does that hurt them with those other
Speaker 1: three deals? How does that? How does that affect those
Speaker 1: other three deals? I'll take the word right out of
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones's mouth and just like they know, we can
Speaker 1: do as many contracts as we want. We've got the space.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out that it all makes sense to them.
Speaker 1: Why I asked him to his face, I was like,
Speaker 1: can you really do three contracts at once like this?
Speaker 1: He's like, we can do four, we can do five.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they could. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they will do it one big stage. God, that would
Speaker 1: be awesome. And they call the press conference, We're all like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got it done in this Malik. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: three guys and they signed Jeff Collins and Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: I would They're all rolling up there, holding their jerseys
Speaker 1: up like, yeah, hey, okay, we are going to take
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Speaker 1: we are back on the break. It is a third segment.
Speaker 1: It is time to take fan questions. Let's try to
Speaker 1: hit as many of these as possible, because we're usually
Speaker 1: pretty bad at that, so I asked for questions. Y'all
Speaker 1: did not let it down your hosting. It should go
Speaker 1: pretty quick, good point. So let's let's do it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna nope, stop, nope, nope, not to let you do it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go. She got him. I only think he
Speaker 1: even knew. It does not mean yeah, wait you dig it?
Speaker 1: Mean yeah, I think she did hosted because starting look,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of opinions about stuff. My buddy
Speaker 1: Connor wants to know. Let's assume six wide receivers make
Speaker 1: the team, which is more plausible now that Rico's gone
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Just I mean, it's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: them carrying four tight ends. Uh, let's say Cooper, Gallup,
Speaker 1: Cob and Tavon Austin are locks. Again. Feels like a
Speaker 1: safe bet. Who are the other two receivers that make
Speaker 1: this Cooper with the other three? Um, yeah, okay, got
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think so, Yeah, I think so. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about this a lot. We just put up Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just did a top top eleven. Actually, we did
Speaker 1: a ranking on the site of this wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: think to read it right now, Um, and Tavon is
Speaker 1: or you said five and six. I think as it stands,
Speaker 1: I think four through nine will will could change with
Speaker 1: one or two good or bad plays, But as it
Speaker 1: stands right now, I'd say five is and this is
Speaker 1: to make the team. I say, Noah Brown and because
Speaker 1: they love him, and John Vay Johnson is at a
Speaker 1: six right now? I think, I absolutely, well, we all
Speaker 1: did the list, so yeah, we came together on it.
Speaker 1: But but you know, ninth on the list is a
Speaker 1: Boise I can't remember his name, Cedric I cannot remember
Speaker 1: his name. He could make a couple of big plays
Speaker 1: and jump in there too. But also makes sense of
Speaker 1: what we knew of this this staff, right, they like
Speaker 1: guys that they have relied on. They like veteran guys.
Speaker 1: So he started talking about a Tavon, They may trust
Speaker 1: them a little bit more to get back there and
Speaker 1: catch that punt than they do. You know, a young
Speaker 1: guy that's coming up that that could or couldn't right,
Speaker 1: And we know they love Noah Brown for whatever reason
Speaker 1: they love Noah Brown. I will say, part of it
Speaker 1: is he does the dirty work that you don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers on this guy that is the
Speaker 1: only guy with his body type, and he can do
Speaker 1: the dirty work, right, So all that, so all those things,
Speaker 1: when you really start breaking it down, it's not so
Speaker 1: much about what's happening out here as much as it
Speaker 1: is about kind of how they tend to build their team.
Speaker 1: And I think it all makes sense from that standpoint.
Speaker 1: Nathaniel wants to know what's going on with Connor McGovern.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen him. I want to know that too. Something
Speaker 1: is he still dealing with the whole chest thing. Starting
Speaker 1: to wonder if he should have been a pup guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm if I'm not mistaken that he can
Speaker 1: still be at walk through and stuff if he's on
Speaker 1: pup right or is that not true? Actually it might
Speaker 1: not be true. It's not. You can't do that, So
Speaker 1: he is. That's that's why he's not on pumps so
Speaker 1: he can take part in learning this. He's got to
Speaker 1: be close. He was in pads full pads the other
Speaker 1: day during the scrimmage going through some of the individual drills,
Speaker 1: so I can't I can't think he's too far along.
Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate because Zach Martin obviously is out. Cody
Speaker 1: Wenchman always say it wrong. I think it's Wykeman, but
Speaker 1: I don't quote me on that. But let's be real,
Speaker 1: this was a twenty twenty pick. I mean, this pick.
Speaker 1: This is a pick that they they're gonna need next year,
Speaker 1: especially if what we just talked about with Lyel becomes fact.
Speaker 1: That's when they need him, so they don't need to
Speaker 1: rush him in right now. They want him learning, so
Speaker 1: you want him out here and learning. But that's the
Speaker 1: other they get into the regular season. They still have
Speaker 1: practices every day and we don't get to see all
Speaker 1: of those. But he's gonna be practicing throughout this year.
Speaker 1: He's going to get an opportunity to be getting himself.
Speaker 1: He's the brown of the tide of the offensive. Yea,
Speaker 1: by next year, he's gonna make it here every ready
Speaker 1: by next year. If they need him for next year,
Speaker 1: he's gonna. I think he's gonna be wearing a lot
Speaker 1: of baseball hats on the sidelines this year. Um, Mike
Speaker 1: wants to know, with so much depth on this team,
Speaker 1: what's a position that could get short changed? As in
Speaker 1: going light when they make their roster cuts, it's a
Speaker 1: good one quarterback quarterback, I hope, so I hope that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's getting short changed, you know,
Speaker 1: it's accurately changed, like they don't need more than two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you you know, when you think about, yeah, doubling
Speaker 1: however many starters you've got, you know, I mean you'll
Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks. I think that's probably good. But but
Speaker 1: but that's not really what he's trying to ask. He's
Speaker 1: trying to ask another position, and I think four. I
Speaker 1: think four is a lock like Jay's Jamayzolo Wally is
Speaker 1: your fullback. And three because you know, you might keep
Speaker 1: extra corners and I don't know if you'll I mean
Speaker 1: because I think we talked about the secondary yesterday, and
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I mean, they did nine last year.
Speaker 1: If they feel really good about their you know, front
Speaker 1: of the line guys, I could see him do nine,
Speaker 1: especially you know, if you want to keep ten or
Speaker 1: eleven on the defensive line, which seems possible, I could
Speaker 1: see that. And then now tight end, I would have
Speaker 1: to imagine they're going with three tight ends. So you
Speaker 1: got throw us up there real quick. I just noticed
Speaker 1: this on Twitter. Our sister station, or I don't know
Speaker 1: if you call our sister station, but our flagship station,
Speaker 1: the Fan. They are interviewing Stephen Jones right now, and
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh. I assume he's doing the interview. He just tweeted.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones says there's no current momentum to make it
Speaker 1: feel like any deals get done in Oxnard. M That's
Speaker 1: interesting a little bit to me. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: like that, but but again like to hear once again
Speaker 1: once again, that's all part of the negotiation process. Like
Speaker 1: you throw things out there and you kind of hope
Speaker 1: that then other people hear them, and it starts to
Speaker 1: get them to maybe move a little bit more because
Speaker 1: the one thing we keep hearing is they aren't talking,
Speaker 1: like they're just not communicating. Maybe this spurs a little
Speaker 1: bit more conversation. I don't know, but that's at least
Speaker 1: what with Jeff's tweeting here on one or five o
Speaker 1: three the fan you can't believe everything you hear. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's two sides to every story. But like it's certain
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are trying to project. They're like, we want
Speaker 1: to give you money, Come let us give you money,
Speaker 1: and this players are we want more. The players are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but tell him what the guarantee is, Stephen. That's that's
Speaker 1: probably the reality of the situation, right. Um. I would
Speaker 1: love these players like Dak mr Too just drop a
Speaker 1: sentence in there when you interview them. Quit saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not worry about it. I'm a you know manager.
Speaker 1: If Dad start dealing with that, if Dak Prescott was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: tell like, get him to tell you what they guarantee,
Speaker 1: and the last offer was, oh my god, that would
Speaker 1: be gold? Is that what your savage? He would not
Speaker 1: do No, he would never, He would never. My buddy
Speaker 1: Pash wants to know at what point did they bring
Speaker 1: real competition to camp at Kicker? Personally, I don't think
Speaker 1: they will not out here. I don't think you need it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to bring in the competition.
Speaker 1: They know they I mean get it. I mean if
Speaker 1: he's going to get a chance to go out there,
Speaker 1: if he misses the Kicks in San Francisco, then they'll
Speaker 1: have another guy in here. Do you think that maybe
Speaker 1: part of this because it seems it baffles me a
Speaker 1: little bit that they didn't bring in just another leg
Speaker 1: just just they can see him against him to be
Speaker 1: able to kind of create that pressure and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But does it do you think that maybe
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to in all of this to make
Speaker 1: he build up his confidence because they feel like he's
Speaker 1: a better kicker kicker when he's more confident, and they
Speaker 1: want to build that confidence. You are our guy, you know,
Speaker 1: or our guy you are guys, there might be something
Speaker 1: to that because they've always said his confidence is what
Speaker 1: they like the most about him, Like he doesn't get
Speaker 1: down on himself far out. Yeah, it's like, what's this
Speaker 1: And it's almost like he maybe lose his focus or
Speaker 1: something when he gets down closer, takes it a little
Speaker 1: bit from ground. I don't know, I'm throwing out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I really don't understand why they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: brought in more competition for him, especially a team that
Speaker 1: always talks about the fact that they are about creating
Speaker 1: competition at every position. And it doesn't seem like they
Speaker 1: did in this instance at the kicker position. No, that
Speaker 1: this is normally what they do. This is how what
Speaker 1: they do. Um, they bring in a guy that can
Speaker 1: do both, that can kind of help the kicker and
Speaker 1: help the punter without using a roster spot. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like this is a dual threat guy.
Speaker 1: Casey Redford is really more of a punter. He's not
Speaker 1: much of a kicker. He's not really given him much
Speaker 1: as far as kicking goes, other than a did just
Speaker 1: just take somebody's extra point tries and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Ames says, give me some surprising names on the chopping block.
Speaker 1: Which we talk about everything with this team, so we've
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably not going to be a big
Speaker 1: surprise because we just talk about everything, but because we
Speaker 1: get three weeks to do it. But give me names anyway,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, Wow, that would be a surprise. Wow, I
Speaker 1: appreciate your moxie. It would from way back. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't think it would be a chopping block. I think
Speaker 1: they would do it in a delicate way, press conference
Speaker 1: like entirement. It's the injury is It's just it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to put them on this list or I R
Speaker 1: for eight weeks type thing or something where you know,
Speaker 1: they just I don't think they need to do it
Speaker 1: for money. Standpoint, No, they don't. But that would be
Speaker 1: a surprise, and it would surprise me. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's what they should do. I asked for a surprise name,
Speaker 1: and you gave it to me. I asked some about
Speaker 1: you know, we do you want Kerry Hyder? I mean
Speaker 1: all day at these practices, you know, we're standing around
Speaker 1: watching and talking to each other and feeling feeling out ideas.
Speaker 1: And I was having this conversation with somebody. I was like,
Speaker 1: is there any chance that Witten wouldn't make it all
Speaker 1: the way to the final roster. And and like we were,
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, Sean Lee's a possibility. So and
Speaker 1: so is a possibility. I brought up Witton and they
Speaker 1: were like, no, that's not happening. What about you? I mean,
Speaker 1: can you dream of some somebody like a dream scenario?
Speaker 1: I say that, not dream like I want people to
Speaker 1: know I'm joking because of what you said today. And oh,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think I had a dream
Speaker 1: that they cut Robert Quinn. Like that's that's where I'm
Speaker 1: at the point where I'm dreaming about roster moves. And
Speaker 1: as last night was, you know, can be like a
Speaker 1: dream was a little foggy too, So did we talk
Speaker 1: about that? I was like, did somebody say that to me?
Speaker 1: Or did I just make it up? I think I
Speaker 1: made it up. That would shock me. I got Well
Speaker 1: for you, you think there's any possibility that Darius Jackson,
Speaker 1: who started camp as the guy getting the number one reps,
Speaker 1: ends up not on this team? Yes? Absolutely? Is that
Speaker 1: a just yeah? Just think about where he started to
Speaker 1: where he would be if he got cut like that.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a little bit of a precipitous drop,
Speaker 1: but it but he's started at number one because the
Speaker 1: real number one's not here, and I mean we've said
Speaker 1: it a million times. And then they also signed out well,
Speaker 1: and then that's that's why I think four is four
Speaker 1: running backs is a lock because I think I think
Speaker 1: the people upstairs at least at the Star of I
Speaker 1: know there's nobody above us right now, but the people
Speaker 1: upstairs at the Star saw what C. J. Anderson did
Speaker 1: to them in the playoffs, and I think that resonated
Speaker 1: with them. I think they liked the idea of having
Speaker 1: a capable, you know, every man backup who can do
Speaker 1: that type of stuff that they need him to. There
Speaker 1: will be a former pro bowler that gets released. That's
Speaker 1: not really saying much because because uh, Alfred Mars, two
Speaker 1: time pro bowler. Yeah that's fair. Um, Nathaniel another Nathaniel
Speaker 1: too today says, uh, what do you feel the worst
Speaker 1: about this team in terms of depth? Not starters, but
Speaker 1: what position has the worst depth? Easy? Quarterback? M hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: good point. If you want to take quarterback out, you
Speaker 1: probably have a better conversation. But yeah, quarterback, and forget quarterback,
Speaker 1: forget quarter well just just think about you know, the
Speaker 1: drop off Zeke to Pollard or Alfred Morris is Darius
Speaker 1: Jackson de Marris, Zeke Morris, Udac to Cooper, Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: to Cam Fleming. The ta tackle depth on this team
Speaker 1: is not inspiring. Who starts no butts in front of it?
Speaker 1: Who starts after Layton Joe Thomas? Yeah? Probably, I don't
Speaker 1: think quarterback like quarterback is the biggest drop off in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Now, if you want to get to the
Speaker 1: next position, I would I would start to talk about safety.
Speaker 1: I you talked about it yesterday. You don't really feel
Speaker 1: great about either one of those safeties being the guy
Speaker 1: out down every down kind of basis other than the
Speaker 1: two starters. So you know, I'd say safety for me
Speaker 1: would probably be the next one. Okay, what is a
Speaker 1: position of depth that could get traded when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, roster cuts and such. I was told
Speaker 1: last night by some people that defensive line is going
Speaker 1: to be the toughest position to cut in years for
Speaker 1: this team years. So when you think about that, maybe
Speaker 1: some guys with a little bit of trade value there.
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, that's a good question, Pens And then that
Speaker 1: didn't run into like what teams are off what teams
Speaker 1: want see. Last year was a little tricky because you
Speaker 1: wouldn't think you would go you would trade the court,
Speaker 1: you would trade the rookie for something. You would kind
Speaker 1: of keep the rookie and see what you can get.
Speaker 1: But last year they did the opposite and traded Trevarius
Speaker 1: war to the Chiefs, which was kind of a surprising
Speaker 1: move because he was having a good camp, but not
Speaker 1: a great camp. I think that was a little bit desperate,
Speaker 1: just because of what happened to Travis Frederick. They traded
Speaker 1: him for an offensive lineman who wound up not even playing.
Speaker 1: But the reason why I say that is, let's say
Speaker 1: that everybody's kind of you know, Hyder's doing some good
Speaker 1: things and it sounds like he's turning some heads, and
Speaker 1: they love Chris Covington Christian, But then what about Joe
Speaker 1: Jackson and Jelks and those guys? Which wise which one
Speaker 1: would you like? You would feel like, if you're gonna trade,
Speaker 1: you'd trade the veteran, right, you would think, although you know,
Speaker 1: as good as Jelks and Joe Jackson might be like
Speaker 1: what are they doing for you? On game day? Like?
Speaker 1: Are they really far enough along? In their development that
Speaker 1: they're going to get a jersey and make an impact.
Speaker 1: Whereas if he makes the team, I trust that Carry
Speaker 1: Hyder is going to have a role. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: been there and done that, whereas Jalen Jelks might be
Speaker 1: a baseball hat kind of guy. And how much does
Speaker 1: it factor in that this year if they believe this,
Speaker 1: which I think they probably do, they feel like they
Speaker 1: have a team that can really go somewhere. Do you
Speaker 1: maybe as opposed to other years where you're willing to
Speaker 1: kind of mortgage them now for the future. This may
Speaker 1: be a U and they're like push all the chipsy
Speaker 1: and old agents because yeah, because you don't know what
Speaker 1: the future is gonna be, and we got the team
Speaker 1: right now, so let's go all in. You know. That
Speaker 1: being said, though, you can look at the other way,
Speaker 1: look at all those free agents on that list. You know,
Speaker 1: you need some guys that some of these young players
Speaker 1: that you can keep because if you if you decide
Speaker 1: to keep let's say, a Carrie Hider over a Jalen Jokes,
Speaker 1: a guy that a veteran player who's going to probably
Speaker 1: be an active either way, or do you keep it?
Speaker 1: You know, because next year. Is Hider going to be
Speaker 1: your guy? Or would The lifeblood with the CBA, the
Speaker 1: way it is the lifeblood of a good team is
Speaker 1: rookie contracts, good players on long, cheap contracts, so which
Speaker 1: you're getting at point now that's about to run out.
Speaker 1: They're about to have everybody, but you just all like,
Speaker 1: no pressure will but you gotta keep hitting on these
Speaker 1: draft picks if you're gonna start paying these people. But
Speaker 1: also to answer that question, don't throw out maybe cornerback again,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe a Jordan Lewis or maybe an
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown who's only got one year left on his deal.
Speaker 1: Maybe something like that if they if they felt like
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson was playing, well, yeah, but I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that, not with the injury to Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't. I just I keep a lot. You
Speaker 1: can never have too many good corners. One last one
Speaker 1: for Lance because he tweeted me during the show, shout
Speaker 1: out to Lance. You've seen anything more from Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: since the last time we talked about him. I know
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli called him the caboose on the train getting
Speaker 1: you know, got us speed up or get left behind.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen him flash a little bit
Speaker 1: more here over the last couple days. He's pooped up
Speaker 1: to the food cart, they said, and they and Marinelli said,
Speaker 1: he's got the menu now. Oh, is that I must
Speaker 1: have missed that. He doesn't have like the hat like sideways,
Speaker 1: you know, saying all aboard or whatever. But he's he's
Speaker 1: moving his way. I've seen him a little more often.
Speaker 1: He looked pretty good in one on ones the other day.
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged. Yeah, I think you'll be fine. I mean
Speaker 1: that the first and Rookie about him, what do you
Speaker 1: mean other than maybe the way he plays? But rod
Speaker 1: would he looks young. He looks like you're right, But
Speaker 1: his demeanor and stuffing didn't. He seemed like he's kind
Speaker 1: of been here four or five years. I actually say
Speaker 1: the opposite. I think he seems like I look at
Speaker 1: his face and he's like, oh, there's baby fat. And
Speaker 1: not saying all that. I'm not saying he's not he
Speaker 1: doesn't have some of that going with him. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying he's's demeanor, he's not like yes, yes, sort no,
Speaker 1: certain means just well, you know, it was interests comfortable,
Speaker 1: He was comfortable. I was. I was in a quick story,
Speaker 1: I was in a h I was. I was behind
Speaker 1: the scenes the other day and the team was Actually
Speaker 1: we had a company out that's a partner of ours,
Speaker 1: reveal suits, and they were fitting some guys for suits,
Speaker 1: and and so Tristan's in there and then walks the
Speaker 1: hot boys. Right, you got on the marcause you got Crawford,
Speaker 1: you got all of them, right and uh. And so
Speaker 1: that they're talking to Tristan about his suit and everything,
Speaker 1: and one of the people fitting him says, so, are
Speaker 1: you one of the hot boys? And when I tell
Speaker 1: you real quick, He's like, no, no no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a member of the hot Boys. I'm not.
Speaker 1: And they are all standing back there looking at him
Speaker 1: to see what he's gonna say, because you know, they
Speaker 1: hold that really tight. You don't just become a hot
Speaker 1: boy because you get draft after or because you played
Speaker 1: the position. You gotta earn your way in. So it
Speaker 1: was just like you could tell like he has a
Speaker 1: he knows his place. He knows that I'm not in
Speaker 1: the club yet I got to earn my way into
Speaker 1: the club. And that said a lot to me about
Speaker 1: kind of how he's probably approaching this and how they
Speaker 1: probably treat him like, dude, you just because you were
Speaker 1: a second round pick that means very little. You gotta
Speaker 1: earn this, like the O line. You don't just get
Speaker 1: to walk out with the big dogs right away. All right,
Speaker 1: That is all the time we have for Tuesday's break.
Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow. There's a football practice today,
Speaker 1: so we will talk about football instead of contracts, but
Speaker 1: we'll still probably talk about some contracts, so whatever. Anyway,
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