WEBVTT - Does a Four Day Work Week Work?

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<v Speaker 1>You also champion a four week, a four day work week, right, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>So talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I realized is that we have a big

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<v Speaker 2>problem in the typical workplace, which is that most of

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<v Speaker 2>corporate America, at least what I've seen, is that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>is perpetually exhausted. And so they're working five days a week.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in a bunch of monotonous meetings of doing work.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not even sure as important. They have to catch

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<v Speaker 2>up on work on the weekends while they take care

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<v Speaker 2>of their families, and you know, no one can ever

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<v Speaker 2>catch up.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>Four day work week is tied in with a few concepts.

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<v Speaker 2>But the underpinning is that I've tried to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>in my companies is how to eliminate uh what I

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<v Speaker 2>call work theater. And this is a phrase that most

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I talk about I've used from others.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a phrase that I coined work theater. Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the work that people do doesn't matter. I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent is work theater, meaning it's work that just

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<v Speaker 2>looks good but doesn't actually accomplish anything, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>people working so much, they're so exhausted and they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>nothing done. For the company because they're consumed with red

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<v Speaker 2>tape and bureaucracy. And so what I found is by

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<v Speaker 2>shortening the work week and say no, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>five days to get everything done. You've got four days

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<v Speaker 2>to get everything done. You can't schedule meetings Friday through Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to expect people are going to be off

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<v Speaker 2>these four days. You're going to be present focused. This

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<v Speaker 2>I took from Twitter is not mine. It's called work

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<v Speaker 2>like a lion, not like a cow.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I want my team to come in and work like

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<v Speaker 2>lions for four days as much as they can, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I want them to go relax, be with their family,

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<v Speaker 2>be with their friends, enjoy life, heal so that they

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<v Speaker 2>can come and work like lions. I think as human beings,

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<v Speaker 2>we're supposed to go hunt and then we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>go relax. We spend too much time in this middle ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, I found much more productivity when we

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<v Speaker 2>have these intense spurts of hunting and then where every

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<v Speaker 2>people have their own lives.

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<v Speaker 1>So all your employees work for four days, yes and no, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we try to adhere to it with love with both.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been experiments.

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<v Speaker 2>So both has it out, but both his later stage

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<v Speaker 2>could maybe afford to do it a little bit more love.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to do it, but we still end up

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<v Speaker 2>working a lot of fridays. So I can't say fully

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing it with love right now, but we're trying.

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<v Speaker 1>We're being mindful of it. And you champion remote work, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all my companies are one hundred percent remote. I

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<v Speaker 2>never want to go back to an office again, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the personal choice that I made. And other hubs,

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<v Speaker 2>So some folks there's a cluster in San Francisco, or

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<v Speaker 2>a cluster in New York, or cluster in LA and

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<v Speaker 2>they meet up. They may have shared workspaces. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>certain clusters that like to come together into my various

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<v Speaker 2>companies and work a prism. Another one of my companies

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<v Speaker 2>has a bona fide office, but they have a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hardcore sales culture and it fits them, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I do. One of my companies does have

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<v Speaker 2>a bona fide office, but it's not something that that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm married to at all, and I typically prefer remote.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got both has eight hundred employees.

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<v Speaker 2>No, both has gone down by quite a bit and

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<v Speaker 2>We've just realized that with our narrow focus on going

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<v Speaker 2>after the world's largest customers, we didn't need as many

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<v Speaker 2>people and many headcounts. So we actually completely removed our

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<v Speaker 2>focus on SMB just small, small and medium sized businesses

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on big accounts. So we brought the company.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's below two hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>How many you ad love.

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<v Speaker 2>About fifteen, right, and so you have that, but you

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<v Speaker 2>also have the nonprofit work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I know that's very important to you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that spiritually we're supposed to give at least

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent, if not twenty percent of what you make back.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my fundamental belief.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe if you don't do that, uh, you're hurting

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<v Speaker 2>yourself because you're gonna have you're creating karma. And so selfishly,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to stay healthy, I want to stay safe.

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<v Speaker 1>I want my businesses to be successful.

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<v Speaker 2>So so I try to give back as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I can because I know spiritually you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a lot of people say, oh, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>wait until later in life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a proven thing to do. I don't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have to always be giving back to

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<v Speaker 2>the community. It has to become a muscle that becomes

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<v Speaker 2>ingrained in you. So I have a few different impactulated initiatives.

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<v Speaker 2>My most prominent nonprofit is called the Movement. So dance

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<v Speaker 2>has completely changed my life. It was a healthy outlet

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<v Speaker 2>for me that got me through many tough times in

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<v Speaker 2>a very healthy way. And so I realized that dancing

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the most scalable ways to spread happiness

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<v Speaker 2>and mental health because all you.

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<v Speaker 1>Need is a floor and a speaker.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're gonna try to solve a mental health

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<v Speaker 2>crisis at a homeless shelter, refugee camp, it's very difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to hire if you're gonna have to hire

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<v Speaker 2>a psychiatrists, it's one on one or one hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars per hour. Other methodologies are not very scalable or

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<v Speaker 2>very expensive. Dance, you know, floor in a speaker, And

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<v Speaker 2>so we started. We did some work with some homeless shelter,

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<v Speaker 2>some disabled centers, after school programs, and then we realize

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<v Speaker 2>that we can go do refugee camps where there's hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands of people who are suffering. So we've picked

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<v Speaker 2>one of the largest in Africa called Biddy Biddy and

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty thousand refugees in Uganda. Then a

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<v Speaker 2>massive suicide crisis, a massive mental health crisis. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's something like thirty or forty percent of their residents

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<v Speaker 2>is they are depressed. It's like a ten percent annual suicide, right,

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<v Speaker 2>don't quote me on that, but I mean it's those

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<v Speaker 2>proportions and a lot of the folks that have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to live for, and so the goal is to give

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<v Speaker 2>them something to live for. That is a force that

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<v Speaker 2>we could afford. So we partnered with another nonprofit who

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<v Speaker 2>created this stage is like performance stage, and we do

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<v Speaker 2>the programming, dance programming, and we have people coming say

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<v Speaker 2>this is what they now live for. This has changed

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<v Speaker 2>their life. They didn't take their life because of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Imman is flourishing and we did almost nothing. We created

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<v Speaker 2>some curriculum, we trained some people on the ground. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not fishing for them. We don't hire people to go

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<v Speaker 2>out and teach me. There's thousands of incredible dancers already

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<v Speaker 2>as refugees. So we just put a little program together

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<v Speaker 2>and they've taken the ball and they run with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we go back every six months, check in, help

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<v Speaker 2>give him advice, on how to manage the program. So

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<v Speaker 2>now I want to scale this to Shelter's homeless refugee schools.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my biggest passion for charity.