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Speaker 1: the history of radio is called You're Annoying. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: know many of you say, hey, Gottlieb, you are annoying.

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Speaker 1: The challenge is for Jason Stewart to find people who

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Speaker 1: about that's upcoming in the show. This may be annoying

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Speaker 1: to some I'm not sure in that Jerry Jones continues

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Speaker 1: to sell everything, right, the ultimate salesperson can sell ice

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Speaker 1: to the Eskimos. That's the expression. You have to have

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into it a little bit later. I

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Speaker 1: commend my boy Jason Stewart on really tell me, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to watch a documentary, you need to

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Speaker 1: watch The Cowboys America's team documentary, which I have been

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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad he suggested it because there's so

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Speaker 1: much good content and interesting stuff. But again, like he is,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones a salesman. He's even now selling on Good

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Speaker 1: Morning America. The reasons he pulled to mic Up Parsonsdale off.

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Speaker 2: We have two kinds of capital or currency in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: One of them is picks and the other is the

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Speaker 2: financial because every team is limited to the same amount

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Speaker 2: of resources to spend. And having said that, Mica enabled

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Speaker 2: us to have four, possibly as many as six players

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Speaker 2: for the future. That's a good trade. When you need numbers,

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Speaker 2: I'll take the numbers every time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So suddenly it's basically responsible Jerry biscally responsible. Jerry

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Speaker 1: and you know, really this is the Khalil Mack when

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Speaker 1: he was traded from the Raiders to the Bears sort

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Speaker 1: of trade. But he's not given us the real reel,

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Speaker 1: which is, wait, how'd you go from agreeing to a

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Speaker 1: deal to trading him? That's a big stretch. And so

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Speaker 1: there's no talk about the breakdown in the relationship with

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Speaker 1: the agent, David Mulghetto, who they clearly didn't want to

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Speaker 1: do business with. We act like Jerry was being sneaky

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Speaker 1: and doing a deal without the agent, which is probably sneaky,

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Speaker 1: but the reality is the reason they probably just want

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Speaker 1: to work together. Hey, I'm not working with that guy.

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Speaker 1: You want to get a deal done with Dallas, Here's

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Speaker 1: how we're gonna do it. So that wasn't asked. We

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Speaker 1: don't know. We can only assume, and the assumption is

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Speaker 1: that they have no relationship, especially now because Micah got

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Speaker 1: the deal that he wanted and he just had to

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Speaker 1: one historic franchise to another. But the more you try

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Speaker 1: and explain it, the more you know it's bull crap, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, any of us who've told a Wendy told

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Speaker 1: try and explain it, the more you go into expert

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Speaker 1: detail over everything. No, no, what really happened was the

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Speaker 1: more we know it's bull. So do I think that

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I think what he's saying in that trading Micah Parsons

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Speaker 1: That's great, but he's one of a handful of dynamic

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Speaker 1: can be unblockable. So you have to balance those two

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Speaker 1: Micah because we need more assets, and this is what

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Speaker 1: we all If that's what you were gonna do, great,

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Speaker 1: You know, when you get to a week and a

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Speaker 1: far fewer teams bidding on Micah Parsons. Business fluctuations make

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Speaker 1: fascinating there where Jerry. When you watch the documentary early

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Speaker 1: When Barry Switzer wins it, Barry Switzer's like, we did

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Speaker 1: this together, we did it our way. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: Jerry's trying to say, I'm gonna do it my way.

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Speaker 1: And even though he's changing narratives midway through, you know

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Speaker 1: this is all the plan all along. We're gonna trade

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Speaker 1: that's not actually how it works on a football show,

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Speaker 1: there would be. So he's smart enough to know to

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Speaker 1: keep the discussion going. He's smart enough to know that

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Speaker 1: all this attention only helps the attention on the Netflix documentary.

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Speaker 1: He's smart enough to know that if you go on

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Speaker 1: Good Morning America, they don't double back with you on

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Speaker 1: he's no dope. But he's also not being honest, not

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Speaker 1: being honest anybody else of the mindset that this is

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Speaker 1: bring it up because, as Jason has pointed out, these

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Speaker 1: teams don't practice enough. They're not sharp even mid season.

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Speaker 1: The product is and what we'd like now, they've been

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Speaker 1: But no one thinks the Cowboys are going to be

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Speaker 1: great this year? Do we like? They're interesting? They went

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Speaker 1: wide receivers and a good quarterback, but what wins your

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Speaker 1: You gotta be able run the football, not turnover. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they have that, and it's not like

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Speaker 1: great game fired obviously. I know with I want your

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Speaker 1: flex you do view things from a fantasy perspective, But

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Speaker 1: what's your perspective on tomorrow's game? In general?

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Speaker 4: I think that it's tough, even though recent history has

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Speaker 4: showed that the road team can go in and win

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Speaker 4: a game. We've had this game for about twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five years or so, dates back to two thousand and two,

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Speaker 4: and only six times has the road team won. Now

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Speaker 4: that season opening contest. But I just think that there's

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Speaker 4: so much juice for the opener for the defending Super

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Speaker 4: So I don't think the bottom is going to fall

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Speaker 4: the Eagles along your lines. I don't know if you're

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Speaker 4: saying both teams aren't gonna play well, but I just

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's my feeling. That's my feeling. We're still

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Speaker 1: gonna watch, just like again, Jase, do you nailed Oh gosh, yes,

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Speaker 1: No matter what they put out their first NFL game

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, Cowboys Eagles, We're gonna watch, but we should

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Speaker 1: watch knowing shouldn't have huge expectations of it. Being a

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Speaker 1: of the Doomsday podcast covering the Cowboys. We'll ask him

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Speaker 1: about tomorrow night's game, but really the mojo around the Star,

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Speaker 1: especially with the trading of Michael Parsons late last week.

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Speaker 1: We could go, yeah, tomorrow, but we do this every week.

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Speaker 6: It's not getting in the middle, It's time for the.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I love the topic that Jason Stewart proposed. See

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Dan Byer, I'm not saying I love

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Speaker 7: There he proposed two of them. Well.

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Speaker 1: I liked the one where he talked about best storylines

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Speaker 7: Great job, great job.

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Speaker 1: Are you okay with that one?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 4: I responded to the text, which I know is a

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Speaker 4: Usually my no response was I'm fine with it, and

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Speaker 7: With both of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh no. I I got home from I was at

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Speaker 1: practice when the text came through, and then I talked

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Speaker 8: Or since Doug recently saw the Cowboys documentary, a conversation

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Speaker 8: Would you argue, Dan that him thriving this season would

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Speaker 4: I I do think that that would be content, But

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Speaker 8: To get that ree, you're gonna give him three more

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Speaker 4: a class lower than Brady and Manning and Breeze because

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Speaker 4: he didn't have the Super Bowl. But I don't think

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Speaker 4: that we look less of Philip Rivers as a player

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Speaker 4: and calling him a choker by any means.

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Speaker 1: We don't. But I think there are people who do.

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Speaker 1: Philip never an MVP as well. To be a multi

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Speaker 1: in a quarterback driven league, yeah, I'd say probably four years,

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Speaker 1: four or five more years of it, Jay stew But again,

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Speaker 1: once he hits thirty that the likelly it is, the

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Speaker 1: running gets less and less, and when you take away

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Speaker 1: the running is a dynamic. He's good, but he's not elite.

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Speaker 1: Where he's incredibly dynamic is he's the best running quarterback

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Speaker 1: any of us have ever seen. He's improved as a passer.

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Speaker 1: The only times that gets marginalized just when he's in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Sam, you got one?

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Speaker 7: Sure.

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Speaker 9: Oh there's so many storylines I could hog right now,

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Speaker 9: but for the sake of time, let's go over to

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Speaker 9: the West coast.

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Speaker 7: So there's you know, I think that the Rams can go.

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Speaker 9: As far as Matthew Stafford's bad back can carry them.

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Speaker 9: I think if he stays healthy, this is definitely a

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Speaker 9: contender in the NFC West and for a Super Bowl

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Speaker 9: CHAMPI chip, but you know he was late to come

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Speaker 9: back to practice. He's practicing now, but it's the back

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Speaker 9: and of the aging matt Stafford. When he's healthy, he's fantastic.

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Speaker 9: And they got weapons, they got a great line, they

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Speaker 9: got you know, their their offen should be ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I guess my issue is I guess my issue is

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting storyline. But yeah, we know we hadn't

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Speaker 1: gotten to what the Lions are like the Packers go

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Speaker 1: for it with Michael Parsons. You feel like last time

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Speaker 1: they went for it was Reggie White. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I mean that's the one number one around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is okay on the heels of that, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's something that we didn't talk about. The

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Speaker 4: Rams did tell Matthew Stafford to go look elsewhere. Then

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Speaker 4: they signed him back to a deal, and I believe

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Speaker 4: it may have been Jason, and I apologize. If if

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Speaker 4: it wasn't, then I forgot who said it.

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Speaker 1: But Kivin Jason credited, it's all yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I apologize to the person that forgot it.

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Speaker 4: But this is a team that could have signed Aaron Rodgers, right,

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Speaker 4: that was a possibility this offseason.

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Speaker 7: And if the.

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Speaker 4: Steelers have the season that Jason is talking about that

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Speaker 4: he thinks and there were wants Aaron Rodgers to have

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Speaker 4: and Matthew Stafford falls on his face what could have

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Speaker 4: been with the Rams. So there's that little twist to

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Speaker 4: it as well in a run it back sort of year,

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Speaker 4: because they're going to be in a quarterback market next

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Speaker 4: year for sure.

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Speaker 7: They have two first round picks. Seems to be the

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Speaker 7: plan all along. I take Stafford over Rogers.

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Speaker 9: He's been in the system a while now, and he's right,

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Speaker 9: he's he knows McVeigh, he knows the You know what.

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Speaker 4: I love is I was supporting your argument and then

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Speaker 4: that comment kind of like said that they shouldn't. The

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Speaker 4: point is is if Stafford is injured and its like

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Speaker 4: falls off, they did have other options at the position

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Speaker 4: that they chose to not go with, and they chose

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Speaker 4: to rather go with the oft injured Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 8: So if you're following along here for the listener, the

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Speaker 8: Doug doesn't think that Sam's topic rose to the level

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Speaker 8: of the segment.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Dan tried to agree with Sam, and Sam h h

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Speaker 8: went against him.

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Speaker 1: You got it, Nail, And that, my friends, is the midway.

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Speaker 1: my producer.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I don't know where that criticism comes from.

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Speaker 8: Be too effusive.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know. Apparently apparently that's what took place.

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Speaker 1: break out on radio because it's always so good. Our

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Speaker 1: resident curmudgeon is also our producer. His name's Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, we find out who and what's annoying him.

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Speaker 6: Today, and now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.

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Speaker 8: Charles Barkley was on with Bill Simmons a Ringer podcast,

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Speaker 8: and they had this exchange about the NBA.

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Speaker 10: I think the NBA has got a big problem. How

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Speaker 10: are regular fans kind of like, Okay, it's Tuesday. Special

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Speaker 10: names start putting games where do I go, Well, well,

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Speaker 10: like casino. Sometimes the game is going to be on

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Speaker 10: Peacock and like it's not gonna be on NBC. I

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Speaker 10: think that's a huge dilemma. I think it's a big

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Speaker 10: deal because they took all the money from all three networks.

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Speaker 10: I don't think they give about the fans, and I

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Speaker 10: think this is going to come back to bite them,

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Speaker 10: to be honest with you, And then the thing that's

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Speaker 10: scared is deal is for eleven years, so now people

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Speaker 10: can plan and all they want to for the next

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Speaker 10: eleven years. They don't give it about the fans. They're like, y'all,

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Speaker 10: if y'all find the game, fine, just make sure to

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Speaker 10: check clears.

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Speaker 8: What I find annoying about this. Is this so Barkley

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Speaker 8: has him saying that the NBA doesn't give a crap

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Speaker 8: about the fans. I think carries weight, and I don't

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Speaker 8: think he's really I think he's he's right about one

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Speaker 8: thing and then and then he's off. I think the NBA,

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Speaker 8: every single decision they have made, from either a TV

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Speaker 8: rights standpoint or you know, the end season playoff standpoint,

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Speaker 8: or the the extension like playing game, it always serves

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Speaker 8: their like p ones. In other words, it always serves

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Speaker 8: their diehard NBA fans. So I think what Charles is

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Speaker 8: saying is that I don't think the NBA gives a

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Speaker 8: crap about the casuals. I'm certainly not going to go

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Speaker 8: to all the apps to find their product. I think

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Speaker 8: they're die hard fans will. But where Charles is right

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Speaker 8: is that the NBA has kind of lost sight. They're

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Speaker 8: running their league like it's some kind of a niche

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Speaker 8: league like the NHL or the WNBA, where they have

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Speaker 8: to cater to their die hard fans to keep them

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Speaker 8: as opposed to opening the tent to everybody else.

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Speaker 1: I look at it a little differently. I do. There

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Speaker 1: is a certain old man get off my lawn to

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Speaker 1: Barkley saying all these streaming services, It's like, that's actually

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Speaker 1: how young fans watch sports, right, And the old model

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Speaker 1: of cable or even network TV is a dying model,

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Speaker 1: so it is so much based upon perception. The other

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Speaker 1: part too, it is we'll still have network games, network television.

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Speaker 1: ABC is still a part of it, right, so it'll

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Speaker 1: still be there. These are all games that you previously

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Speaker 1: got on cable or couldn't get unless you had your

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Speaker 1: local cable package, and now you can get with a

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Speaker 1: streaming service. So I love Charles and I I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You could say he doesn't care about the fans, but

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Speaker 1: now you have no matter what service you have, or

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Speaker 1: if you don't have any service, you can have access

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Speaker 1: to games. So if we're go back, when Charles played,

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Speaker 1: you only saw the games that were on your local

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Speaker 1: channel or when they were on weekends on ABC. Right

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Speaker 1: now you can watch like every game played. So I

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Speaker 1: actually disagree with it.

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Speaker 8: The Roger Goodell and the NFL are pretty brilliant for

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Speaker 8: bringing in all of Taylor Swift fans. So they brought

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Speaker 8: in a ton of casuals over the last eighteen year

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Speaker 8: or eighteen months. This is what Roger Goodell said in

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Speaker 8: an interview today about Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 9: Is Taylor Swift invited to play the Super Bowl this

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Speaker 9: year the halftime show?

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Speaker 7: We would always love to have Taylor play. She is

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Speaker 7: a special, special talent and obviously she would be welcoming anytime.

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Speaker 1: Is it in the works.

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you anything about it.

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Speaker 1: Is it a maybe?

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Speaker 7: It's a maybe? Okay, Okay, well maybe it's a maybe.

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Speaker 1: At what point can we expect a decision to be announced.

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Speaker 8: I'm waiting on my friend jay Z to be able to.

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Speaker 1: It's in his hands.

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Speaker 10: I'm waiting for the smoke to come out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, good but you're a Swifty team, definitely Swift.

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Speaker 8: That was on the Today Show. Goodell, Smart, you go

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Speaker 8: to Today's show, you talk about Taylor Swift, you bring

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Speaker 8: people into the tent.

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Speaker 7: I get it.

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Speaker 8: What's annoying is that I don't need to see Taylor

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Speaker 8: Swift perform songs at the halftime. I've said this and

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Speaker 8: Dan Bayer called me out on it. This pisses Dan off,

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Speaker 8: But I think Taylor Swift songs are made for teenage girls.

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Speaker 8: So me as a fifty two year old man. I

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Speaker 8: don't need to sit through ten to fifteen minutes of

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Speaker 8: Taylor Swift songs. I'm annoyed by that. And Dan will

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Speaker 8: be quick to tell me they're made for people of

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Speaker 8: all ages. I think they're made for teenage girls. I'm

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Speaker 8: not the audience. So I'm annoyed by the prospect of

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Speaker 8: Taylor Swift doing the halftime.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have the opposite opinion, not because I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with you, But isn't that the whole thing with

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Speaker 1: halftime show? It's you have to have a reason for

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Speaker 1: people who are not the p ones to pay attention

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Speaker 1: and watch the first half. It's like even better, like

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Speaker 1: why would a teenage girl watch the Super Bowl? She wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Now it's grown into now where you have you know,

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Speaker 1: pre professionals and professional women and but yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the target demo for halftime because its not the target

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Speaker 1: demo for the Super Bowl? What else? Who else annoying you?

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Speaker 8: Franbur Valdez is a very good picture for the astros.

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Speaker 8: I think he's been up for like Cy Young recently

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Speaker 8: in recent years left hander. He gave up a Grand

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Speaker 8: Slam last night to Trent Grisham, who has a lot

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Speaker 8: of holes in his bat and Framber Valdez got so

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Speaker 8: pissed off at his catcher, Seesar Sanchez. I guess Sanchez

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Speaker 8: either called the wrong pitch or asked Framber to step

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Speaker 8: off the rubber. Whatever it is, you can find it

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Speaker 8: on John Boy right now if you look. There's a

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Speaker 8: breakdown of it. So this is how Framber Valdez chose

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Speaker 8: to handle his catcher. The next batter, his catcher called

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Speaker 8: for a curveball, was expecting a curveball, and Framber Valdez

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Speaker 8: threw it right down the middle into the wrist of

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Speaker 8: his catcher to cross him up. A ninety six mile

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Speaker 8: hour fastball to the wrist, to cross up your catcher,

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Speaker 8: and to I guess, punish him for how he called

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Speaker 8: a pitcher earlier. They spoke and say that they're good,

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Speaker 8: and the Framber apologized. Somebody's line and I think it's

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Speaker 8: Framber Valdez. I think that was a bush league move

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Speaker 8: by an awful player on a cheating team.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how you really feel. Ah, that was awesome.

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Speaker 1: That was awesome. Uh can I can I throw in one?

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Speaker 1: And and Dan Byro if you have one, that's something

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Speaker 1: that's annoying you, I have one. I have and again

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Speaker 1: I'm giving credit to you, Jaysetu for going. You need

654
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Speaker 1: to watch the Cowboys documentary. The the Michael Irvin aspect

655
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Speaker 1: of it is so good because, as you pointed out

656
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Speaker 1: Jayce dou, he's one of like two people who would

657
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: talk about the White House, and no one else talked

658
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, hey, you know, it's a documentary.

659
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Speaker 1: You don't have to tell him anything if you don't

660
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: want to tell him anything. It's basically a Jerry Jones

661
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: promo piece, but it was. It was kind of It's

662
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: annoying to me that they let Michael Irvin get away

663
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Speaker 1: with basically saying, hey, from the end of the season

664
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Speaker 1: until April, he could party and do whatever he wanted.

665
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: That's when he got caught with cocaine. When there was

666
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: no follow up to like, well did you do cocaine

667
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: in the season? Were you a drug addict? Like what

668
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: was because there's all these conflicting Hey, I only did

669
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Speaker 1: it in it in the spring, Yet you went to

670
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Speaker 1: the White to the White House, which was a residential

671
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: house where they had all these orgies and drugs or whatever. Again,

672
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Speaker 1: it's all assumed in there, but you have a guy,

673
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Speaker 1: you have guys sitting chairs. And the other one that

674
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Speaker 1: they didn't do in the documentary was there's no discussion

675
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Speaker 1: about Skip Bayless telling people that Troy Aikman was gay, right, Like,

676
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have racist allegations in there, but you're not

677
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Speaker 1: gonna have and Skip was in the dock. Troy Aikman's

678
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Speaker 1: in the dock. It was a gigantic story. It's still

679
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Speaker 1: kind of a story. It laid the groundwork for why

680
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman does not like Skip Bayless wasn't discussed. It's

681
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Speaker 1: to noy by.

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Speaker 4: You got anything that annoying you just a once you've

683
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Speaker 4: complimented Jay Stu or complimented Jay Stue the show. It's

684
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Speaker 4: been like nineteen times you've said what a great job

685
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Speaker 4: Jay Stu has just I mean, Sam, like, can you

686
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Speaker 4: agree like it's been over the top, don't it's been disproportionate?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, I agree. That's a that's a good way.

688
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Speaker 1: To play disproportionate ass kicking of our producer, Doug Gottliebiz.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. The Great E O'Connor joins us he's a

691
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Speaker 1: calmnist for the Athletic but he co authored a book

692
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Speaker 1: with you Got a Head Coach Danny Hurley called Never

693
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Speaker 1: Stop Life, Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great.

694
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Speaker 1: It's available later this month. You can preorder it now. Ian,

695
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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Their Hurly name is

696
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Speaker 1: synonymous with basketball, and Danny was, you know, as players.

697
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: He was the other brother. And now he's won you know,

698
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Speaker 1: two national championships as a head coach and doing it

699
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Speaker 1: in his own kind of unique way. What was the

700
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Speaker 1: impetus of the idea of writing a book with it?

701
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Speaker 1: When did this actually start?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I've known Danny and now known as Dan. He wants

704
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: it that way, but some people refused to call him Dan.

705
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: They still call him Danny, and we all from my generation.

706
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Speaker 3: I'm sixty one and I knew Danny when he was

707
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: six years old, and so I've been around his father

708
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: and that family for a long time, And remember seeing

709
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: Bob Hurley senior coaching at Saint Anthony's in Jersey City

710
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: back in the day when Bobby and Danny were really young,

711
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: and almost being terrified of him when I was in

712
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: eighth grade watching him coach the intensity was off the charts. Well,

713
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: you see the same intensity in Dan today at Yukon,

714
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: and that was the rocket fuel behind their two national championships.

715
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Speaker 3: And so what we saw this year Doug, as you know,

716
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Speaker 3: is a lot of criticism for his approach on the sideline.

717
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: But before we got to that point, after he won

718
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 3: that second national title, I called him and I said, Dan,

719
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Speaker 3: you should write a book. This is your time. You

720
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: came off back to back national championships, which is incredibly

721
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Speaker 3: hard to do. You have a great backstory with your family,

722
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: and I assumed he had a writer already in mind,

723
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Speaker 3: somebody maybe in Connecticut who had covered him. And I

724
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: was under contract to do finished another two books, so

725
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Speaker 3: I was fine. I just said, you don't need to

726
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Speaker 3: do this with me, but you should do a book

727
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Speaker 3: with somebody. And I meant that and he said, no,

728
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Speaker 3: if I'm going to do it, i'd want to do

729
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: it with you. And then we talked about the what's

730
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Speaker 3: the vision for the book? And one thing led to another,

731
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Speaker 3: and here we are today, where a few weeks away

732
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Speaker 3: from the official launch of the book, which is now

733
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Speaker 3: available on Amazon of course in other places. But yeah,

734
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Speaker 3: it was me calling him saying, Dan, you need to

735
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Speaker 3: do a book with somebody. It doesn't have to be me,

736
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Speaker 3: and he decided that I was the right person to

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Speaker 3: do it with.

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Speaker 1: How is he in real life as compared to the

739
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Speaker 1: in front of the camera life.

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Speaker 3: I think that Dan is a sensitive guy, and I

741
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Speaker 3: do think that things like the criticism he faced last

742
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: season did really bother him. But Dan is a very

743
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Speaker 3: loving and loyal person. And I think the one thing

744
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: that readers would be surprised at not you, because you're

745
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Speaker 3: a Division one coach and you've been around the game forever.

746
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Speaker 3: But Dan does not yell at his individual players during

747
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Speaker 3: a game. Now, in a timeout, he might yell at

748
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Speaker 3: the group, and certainly in practice it can be a

749
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Speaker 3: full contact experience, but during games, when he's going nuts

750
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Speaker 3: on the rest and occasionally even getting into it with

751
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Speaker 3: the opposing head coach or his assistant, he does not

752
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: scream individually at the players because he understood what that

753
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: felt like when he was a college player at Seaton

754
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Speaker 3: Hall and it didn't make him feel good. So he's

755
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: more of a cornerman during games, a supporter, as someone

756
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Speaker 3: who encourages you, gives you confidence, and I think that's

757
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: been missed in the coverage of him nationally and the

758
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: way he's perceived, And to be honest with you, I

759
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily aware of that either when I started the process,

760
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: but I think that and that is what's most important

761
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Speaker 3: to me when it comes to college athletics, is how

762
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Speaker 3: the adults treat the young men or women who are

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00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: on their teams, on their rosters. And I think Dan,

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Speaker 3: if you talk to his players, they don't want to

765
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Speaker 3: play for anybody else. They swear by him to a kid,

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Speaker 3: to a player, and that's something that I wanted to

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Speaker 3: bring out in this book and I hopefully we did.

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Speaker 1: Stuck Gottleib show here on Fox Sports Radio in O'Connor

769
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Speaker 1: as our guest. The new book is called Never Stop Life,

770
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Speaker 1: Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. He co

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Speaker 1: authored it with two time National championship head coach Danny

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Speaker 1: Hurley or Dan Hurley. I there's there are so many

773
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: different aspects to his life and his path to this

774
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: to success which are interesting, but some of it has

775
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Speaker 1: been told through TV. When you know you make the

776
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Speaker 1: final fours, people they try and do these personal interest

777
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Speaker 1: stories and tell things. What's one that's in the book

778
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Speaker 1: that people don't.

779
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Speaker 3: Know well the depth of his depression that he suffered

780
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Speaker 3: as a student at s Eaton Hall. He gets to

781
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: some pretty dark places. I'm not sure the average fan

782
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: is necessarily fully aware of that, and I think in

783
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Speaker 3: the book bringing out his humanity was important to me.

784
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Speaker 3: And there was an excerpt today on the athletics website

785
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Speaker 3: about Dan really struggling after this past season, really human

786
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: thoughts about should I resign three decades straight of high

787
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Speaker 3: intensity coaching without a break, without a single break, for

788
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Speaker 3: a very challenging and difficult season against measured against their

789
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: standard of winning national championships, and the criticism he took

790
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: left him very vulnerable and thinking about walking away. Do

791
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: I need to resign as the head coach of the

792
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Speaker 3: Yukon Huskies. And he was very candid with me about

793
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: that human struggle he felt and the price you pay

794
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: to compete at the highest levels of college sports today,

795
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Speaker 3: and also the changing nature of the game where now

796
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 3: recruiting is all about how much can you pay a kid?

797
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Speaker 3: And that's not the way he was raised in the business.

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00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: Recruiting is about relationships, or at least they used to be,

799
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Speaker 3: and also having a great program that would attract people.

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00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: And really, now it comes down and how much are

801
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 3: you going to pay me? And I know I never

802
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: thought it would get to that point in college sports.

803
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm sixty one years old, and if you told me

804
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: that forty years ago this would be the case, I

805
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: never would have believed it. And I think he's a

806
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: similar mindset. But all that sort of put together in

807
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: a cauldron of bubbling emotion left him in a place

808
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: where he thought about walking away. Now, he didn't leave

809
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: yukon the previous summer, despite being offered seventy million dollars

810
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: to coach the most glamorous franchise in the NBA, the Lakers,

811
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Speaker 3: And this time he didn't walk away either. I guess

812
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: the author of Never Stop should not stop, and he didn't.

813
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: But I think that that will surprise the reader is

814
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Speaker 3: just how emotionally cooked he was at the end of

815
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Speaker 3: last season, how he was sitting there just wondering if

816
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: he should even continue as a college coach. He ultimately

817
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 3: decided to come back, and they have a really good roster,

818
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: a better roster than they had last year. But I

819
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: think that'll be surprising the most readers.

820
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Speaker 1: And did I read write that he nearly left just

821
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: to be an analyst at Fox Sports.

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Speaker 3: He had some conversations with he told me a TV executive.

823
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: Andrew Marshan reported today it was Fox. Now it makes

824
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 3: sense his former agent, Jordan Design is a box executives.

825
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that that was something he thought

826
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: he could do for one year, basically, take a gap year,

827
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: do some TV and then recharge and come back. Now

828
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: he'd have to come back somewhere else in college basketball

829
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 3: or the NBA. I do think, and this is really

830
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: more my opinion, I think he will coach in the

831
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Speaker 3: NBA before he retires. I do think that he wants

832
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: to scratch that itch, if you will take that shot,

833
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: at some point. I think he wants to win another

834
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: national championship or two at Yukon. So I think he'll

835
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 3: be at Yukon for a number of years before he

836
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: possibly makes that move. And again, this is really more

837
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: my opinion. But if you told me he was head

838
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: coach of the New York Knicks seven years from now,

839
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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised.

840
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Speaker 1: That. Being said, there are very few coaches who are

841
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: as animated, maybe any that as animated as he is

842
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: in the pros, What do you think of the adjustment

843
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: he'll have to make to coach in the NBA in

844
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Speaker 1: terms of his approach.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question, Doug. And he does believe like

846
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 3: his father. Now. I was surprised when he told me

847
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: this that his father, as he got older, mellowed out

848
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: a little bit and got a little kinder and gentler

849
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: and maybe a little more user friendly or player friendly.

850
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: I was surprised that he made that observation, and he

851
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: suspects the same thing will happen to him now. It's

852
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: hard to believe looking at Dan Hurley today that you

853
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: could see him calming down, for lack of a better expression,

854
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: as he gets into his mid to late fifties. But

855
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: he believes that will happen and make him then more

856
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: compatible with what the NBA is, as we all know,

857
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: it's a players league, and so listen. He fiercely considered

858
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: the Lakers, and he did believe he could coach Lebron James.

859
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: And I said to him later, you know, if you

860
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: knew Luca was going to be traded there, would you

861
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: have taken that job? And he said, no, I would

862
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: have made the same decision because I'm not really ready

863
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: to coach in the NBA yet, and I think I

864
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: do need to change a little bit, and along the

865
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Speaker 3: lines of what he said, his father went through that change.

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Speaker 3: So I again the way I look at it, the

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Speaker 3: way I look at his career after spending a lot

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Speaker 3: of time with him last season, I do believe that

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Speaker 3: he will take on that challenge as the last challenge

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Speaker 3: of a great career. To me, he's already a Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer as a college coach, but to take that

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Speaker 3: last stepp and prove he can do it at the

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Speaker 3: highest level, I do think that's something that intrigues him

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Speaker 3: down the road in something that he ultimately will do.

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Speaker 1: What's the dynamics of the family, Like, you know, Bobby

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Speaker 1: was always the star growing up. Now Bobby has had

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Speaker 1: a successful but kind of up and down coaching career,

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Speaker 1: whereas Danny we mentioned before how he was you as

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Speaker 1: a player, the slow and steady climb and now the

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Speaker 1: CHAMPIONI coach. Of course, the dad is the legend. What's

881
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Speaker 1: the dynamics of that family like now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everyone is. Everyone gets along and supports

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Speaker 3: each other. And obviously their father's now retired, but he's

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Speaker 3: arguably the greatest high school boys basketball coach ever in

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Speaker 3: this country, and Morgan Wooton would be in that conversation

886
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Speaker 3: as well. I think that it's interesting, right the dynamic

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Speaker 3: has flipped where and he was the other player and

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Speaker 3: now Bobby is sort of the other coach. But Bobby

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Speaker 3: has a very, very challenging job, and he has done

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Speaker 3: a good job at Arizona State, but that is a

891
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Speaker 3: tough job. The conference are in now, and it's not

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Speaker 3: really a basketball school. I actually lived on that campus

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Speaker 3: right next to the arena back in nineteen eighty six

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Speaker 3: eighty seven out of college, and so I know a

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Speaker 3: little bit about Arizona State and its history, and it's

896
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Speaker 3: just not a basketball school. So I do think Bobby

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Speaker 3: has done a good job there and will continue to

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Speaker 3: do so. But Dan, you know, he's showing up at Yukon.

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Speaker 3: That's not easy either because the standard there was national championships.

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Speaker 3: Jim Calhoun won three, Kevin Ollie won one, and it's

901
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Speaker 3: amazing that story on the women's side and the men's side.

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Speaker 3: What a school in stores Connecticut has done in college

903
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Speaker 3: basketball women's and men's divisions is unbelievable, and when you

904
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Speaker 3: look at where it's located. So Dan when he arrived

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Speaker 3: at Yukon, he had to win national championships and he's

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Speaker 3: done that. He's done an incredible job measuring up to

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Speaker 3: that expectation, and I do think he'll win another one

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Speaker 3: or two certainly before he ever leaves that school, and

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Speaker 3: it might be this year. The motto last year was dynasty.

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Speaker 3: You could have that same motto this year if they win.

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Speaker 3: If they win three out of four, that's certainly a dynasty.

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Speaker 3: Last year a disappointment, but hey, he almost beat the

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Speaker 3: ultimate national champion in Florida in the second round the

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Speaker 3: NCAA tournament. That to me, was a testament to Dan's

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Speaker 3: coaching ability with that roster. I thought Dan the coach

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Speaker 3: really outperformed that Dan the GM last year and actually

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Speaker 3: did a very good job with what he had to

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Speaker 3: work with. And he almost picked off Florida in the

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Speaker 3: second round, and that shouldn't be forgotten.

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Speaker 1: Ian O'Connor, you got to check out this new book.

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Speaker 1: It's outstanding as thanking. Anything he writes is one. Read

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Speaker 1: his work in the athletic follo him on social media

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Speaker 1: and pick up Never Stop Life Leadership, What it Takes

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Speaker 1: to be Great. It's available later this month. You can

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Speaker 1: pre order it now. He co authored it with two

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Speaker 1: time National Championship head coach Dan Hurley. Ian, you're the

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Speaker 1: best man. Let's talk in soon. Thanks for being our guest.

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Speaker 3: Hey Doug, thanks so much and best of luck in

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Speaker 3: Green Bay this year