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Speaker 1: Hey, that was great. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: us being together. I've said this before, but I have
Speaker 2: to say it again because I always like people to
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Speaker 2: deeply believe in it. You've been so kind and supportive
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Speaker 1: So we were saying, we're family. You know, we understand
Speaker 1: each other. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. The question I wanted to start with
Speaker 2: today because it's probably the most awest thing right now
Speaker 2: by our community, and it's what is blocking us from
Speaker 2: manifesting love.
Speaker 1: I really think that the majority of people spend most
Speaker 1: of their time in a state of readiness in their life.
Speaker 1: They're always ready for whatever is going to take place,
Speaker 1: and it's like an idol. So the hormones that are
Speaker 1: associated with getting up and going and reacting stressfully, those
Speaker 1: hormones are hormones that create a primitive mechanisms where we're
Speaker 1: go into survival right and living in stress and living
Speaker 1: in survival. It's not a time for us to open
Speaker 1: our hearts, right, So get bruised, get damaged, get injured
Speaker 1: in your life. The stronger the emotion you feel towards
Speaker 1: that event in your life, the more altered you feel
Speaker 1: from that experience. The brain freezes a frame and takes
Speaker 1: a snapshot, and that's called the long term memory. So
Speaker 1: people think about the problems that happened in the past
Speaker 1: and they produce the same chemistry in their brain and
Speaker 1: body as if the event was happening. So what happens
Speaker 1: is the body gets conditioned emotionally into the past. So
Speaker 1: now the trauma or the betrayals not just in the brain.
Speaker 1: Now it's in the body. So the body in a
Speaker 1: sense gets programmed or conditioned to stay in survival. And
Speaker 1: when you're in survival, it's not a time to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1: It's not a time to open our hearts. It's not
Speaker 1: a time to create. It's in a state of arousal
Speaker 1: where we have to keep our attention on things that matter,
Speaker 1: the things in our environment, the way our body is feeling,
Speaker 1: and how we're managing ourselves, and time in and of itself.
Speaker 1: So to change is to be greater than your body,
Speaker 1: to be greater than your environment, and to be greater
Speaker 1: than time. And so when we're stressed, it's really hard
Speaker 1: to change. When we're stressed, it's really not a time
Speaker 1: to change. It's not a time to create, and it's
Speaker 1: not a time to learn. So then this is a
Speaker 1: mechanism that's primitive in our biology and to be able
Speaker 1: to tame the animal so that the animal self. So
Speaker 1: it's no longer in a state of readiness trying to
Speaker 1: always predict the worst case scenario just so you could
Speaker 1: be ready if it happens. It turns out that that's
Speaker 1: the conversion of those survival states into a state of creation.
Speaker 1: We've discovered some really important things about it. And if
Speaker 1: you teach people how to convert from that sympathetic nervous
Speaker 1: system to the power sympathy nervor system, if you teach
Speaker 1: them how to trade resentment and in patience and frustration
Speaker 1: justified or not. That's doing no good for you for
Speaker 1: an elevated emotion, and practice actually practice making the chemistry
Speaker 1: that is associated with love. And in the beginning it's difficult.
Speaker 1: And so if you place your attention on your heart,
Speaker 1: we discovered that there's a very low frequency that you
Speaker 1: can measure that actually goes up that's indigenous to what
Speaker 1: the heart needs in terms of a life force to beat.
Speaker 1: So where you place your attention is where you place
Speaker 1: your energy. And all the things you can place your
Speaker 1: attention on, place it on your heart. Now, slow your
Speaker 1: breathing down, and if you can slow your breathing down,
Speaker 1: you can take your body out of that state of readiness.
Speaker 1: And when you slow your breathing down, you slow your
Speaker 1: brain weighs down and your body starts to move out
Speaker 1: of that state of sympathetic arousal. Practice feeling elevated emotions
Speaker 1: with your heart, kindness, care, love, appreciation, gratitude, and you'll
Speaker 1: get good at feeling that way if you keep doing it.
Speaker 1: So then when a person's in that state, the heart
Speaker 1: in and of itself, when it's activated like that, gets
Speaker 1: super organized, it gets coherent, and it sends a signal
Speaker 1: to the brain literally in the form of information, to
Speaker 1: tell the brain the survival system to shut down. That
Speaker 1: you make literally the lights go out, it resets. Is
Speaker 1: the baseline for the trauma in the brain. And the
Speaker 1: body moves out of survival and now it wants to create,
Speaker 1: and the heart informs the brain to get creative, and
Speaker 1: the brain goes into these beautiful organized alpha brain wave patterns,
Speaker 1: and in alpha, we tend to imagine, we tend to create,
Speaker 1: we tend to dream. So the heart informs the brain
Speaker 1: it's time to create. That's I think when we're in
Speaker 1: that state of inspiration where we're actually falling in love
Speaker 1: with what we're creating, we're bonding to that creation. And
Speaker 1: the stronger the emotion we feel, the more we remember
Speaker 1: that future. And I think that's how people really begin
Speaker 1: to make those changes. Now, now, getting there is a
Speaker 1: daily practice. Getting there is something that you have to
Speaker 1: keep doing. So the block for us to feel love
Speaker 1: is that if we're living in survival, you have to
Speaker 1: make up your mind that that state is not a
Speaker 1: state to create and break away from the people in
Speaker 1: your life, and you know, your schedule and your phone
Speaker 1: and all the obligations you have long enough to reset
Speaker 1: just for a little period of time and to remember
Speaker 1: so you don't forget. I think that's where it becomes
Speaker 1: super valuable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit on a really important nerve,
Speaker 2: that this idea that we're living in a constant state
Speaker 2: of stress. And when I think about our community who
Speaker 2: thinking about dating, and I think about friends in my
Speaker 2: life that are trying to find romantic love, especially in
Speaker 2: their life, and they're feeling around dating mentally, physically, emotionally
Speaker 2: is stressful. The idea of dating is stressful, The idea
Speaker 2: of being on a date is stressful, The idea of
Speaker 2: talking to someone is stressful. And it's so interesting. You're
Speaker 2: so right that how are you going to create when
Speaker 2: all of your emotions around this is stress. You've got
Speaker 2: the stress of a timeline. Gosh, I'm in my mid thirties.
Speaker 2: I should have found someone by now, things I hear. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm in the stress of I've been out on seven
Speaker 2: dates in the last couple of months and none of
Speaker 2: them were good enough. And so I'm in the stress
Speaker 2: of scarcity. And so you're so right, that's what we're feeling.
Speaker 2: How do we get out of that system and that cycle?
Speaker 2: Because a lot of the time we've developed that feeling
Speaker 2: towards finding romantic love for like weeks, months, years. How
Speaker 2: do you break that cycle?
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with doing any of those things. But
Speaker 1: when we're stressed, we're altered. That stress is when we're
Speaker 1: out of balance, we're not our self else right, we
Speaker 1: can't relax and be authentic. And so typically it usually
Speaker 1: takes a crisis or a disease or a diagnosis, or
Speaker 1: a trauma or a loss or a betrayal for a
Speaker 1: person to really decide is this really who I want
Speaker 1: to continue to be? So my message is why wait
Speaker 1: for that? Right? So, there's nothing wrong with saying I
Speaker 1: want to be in a relationship, I want the following
Speaker 1: things in a relationship from this person or what might
Speaker 1: what might be my ideal relationship.
Speaker 2: How details should you get on something like that, like
Speaker 2: should you be talking about physical things or is it
Speaker 2: mainly emotional and connectedness.
Speaker 1: I think people have an image in their mind of
Speaker 1: what they like or what their type is or whatever
Speaker 1: they I don't think there's anything wrong with that, But
Speaker 1: I think what people are really looking for is connection
Speaker 1: and joy pop or should be in a relationship. The
Speaker 1: reason they should be in a relationship is to be overjoyed,
Speaker 1: to be with a person that you're with, right, you
Speaker 1: want joy in your life. For me, it would make
Speaker 1: sense then if the person got very clear on what
Speaker 1: they wanted, then they should start on the journey to
Speaker 1: become that very person. They should really work on being
Speaker 1: that very person that they want. So there would have
Speaker 1: to be some change that they would have to make
Speaker 1: in order to be worthy enough to create a person
Speaker 1: that they would attract in their life. And we cannot
Speaker 1: attract anything in our life that we feel separate from
Speaker 1: trusting in a future that you can't see your experience,
Speaker 1: you have to lay down the very thing you use
Speaker 1: your whole life to get what you want to trust
Speaker 1: that something greater could happen. And that's not something that's
Speaker 1: very easy. So I like the idea that it wouldn't
Speaker 1: happen on a date that was from an app. It
Speaker 1: could happen in a bank, it could happen at a seminar,
Speaker 1: it could happen in the grocery store, you know, in
Speaker 1: a way that you least expect, right, And I think
Speaker 1: that when we get to a point where we're so
Speaker 1: happy with ourselves we're no longer looking because we feel
Speaker 1: like we already have it. I think that's the state
Speaker 1: where people attract an equal.
Speaker 2: Getting to that place feels like a challenge for people
Speaker 2: because it feels like I'm doing this so that I
Speaker 2: can get someone. Yeah. Right, it's always like connected that
Speaker 2: way as well.
Speaker 1: Well, we're conditioned that way. We're conditioned in a way
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, I need something out there. I need
Speaker 1: the experience to prove I need the event to occur.
Speaker 1: And the end product of that event or experience is
Speaker 1: called an emotion. The emotion takes away the lack or
Speaker 1: separation from not having it. So we're waiting for the
Speaker 1: event to occur to take away the feeling of separation
Speaker 1: or lack and actually that's not the healthiest way to create.
Speaker 1: And actually we should feel the emotion of the experience
Speaker 1: before it happens, so that if you're feeling the emotion
Speaker 1: of that future before it happens, truly feeling it, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be looking for it. You would only be looking
Speaker 1: for it when you felt separate from it. Right, So
Speaker 1: can you maintain that state because the only way you're
Speaker 1: going to believe in that future is you have to
Speaker 1: feel the emotion associated with it. The moment you feel
Speaker 1: the lack and the separation, you're going to believe in
Speaker 1: the past. And there's a story that goes along with
Speaker 1: the past that has everything to do with the dating
Speaker 1: is hard or finding a person or whatever. That is
Speaker 1: the story that we tell ourselves that we actually accept, believe,
Speaker 1: and surrender to is if it's the truth. Right. So
Speaker 1: that's exactly what programs the subconscious mind into a belief. Right,
Speaker 1: So the default is so seamless to lose that vision
Speaker 1: or that belief in the future. The moment we start
Speaker 1: feeling the emotions of lack or survival in the past, right,
Speaker 1: that's the moment we can't see that future any longer
Speaker 1: because we would be looking at that future for the
Speaker 1: through the lens of the past, and we would doubt
Speaker 1: that that future could actually exist. So it's really an
Speaker 1: interesting thing that I learned just in the last few
Speaker 1: years because I interview hundreds of people backstage that have
Speaker 1: had a dramatic change in their health. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: significant chronic diseases where they have no blood values that
Speaker 1: are abnormal, have no scans that show any signs of
Speaker 1: the disease any longer. And I asked them, like how
Speaker 1: did you do that? Like what did you do? And
Speaker 1: some of them say, like, I was doing my meditation
Speaker 1: sometimes three times a day because the drugs weren't working.
Speaker 1: The chemo wasn't working, the drug tryles weren't working, the
Speaker 1: surgeries weren't working, the radiation wasn't working, the diet wasn't working.
Speaker 1: Nothing was working right, And so the only thing that
Speaker 1: they were left with was the belief in themselves. And
Speaker 1: when you believe in yourself, you got to believe in possibility.
Speaker 1: And when you believe in possibility, you have to believe
Speaker 1: in yourself. So they were doing their meditations three times
Speaker 1: a day because they lost their belief that they could heal.
Speaker 1: They lost their belief, and so they were doing their
Speaker 1: meditation again to change their emotional states so that they
Speaker 1: could believe in that future again instead of believe in
Speaker 1: their past. If you keep doing that, it's that thought
Speaker 1: in that feeling, is that image, that's emotion, that stimulus
Speaker 1: and response, that's conditioning the body emotionally into the future,
Speaker 1: And that's really how you change the belief. So the
Speaker 1: people were doing the work to change their belief because
Speaker 1: they defaulted back to the self doubt and that, of
Speaker 1: course is disbelief and that's chronic. Right, So so then
Speaker 1: how many times do we have to do that until
Speaker 1: we stop doing that and start doing something else. I
Speaker 1: think that's when our reality begins to change.
Speaker 2: What about someone who's I love where we're going with
Speaker 2: this because I think, I mean, I can see so
Speaker 2: many pennies dropping for so many people. What's what's the
Speaker 2: challenge when someone's lost their belief because they've had a heartbreak.
Speaker 2: Let's say, what happens when someone's been catfished, when they've
Speaker 2: been betrayed, when they've been heartbroken, when they've been cheated on,
Speaker 2: when they've been lied to, manipulated gaslin like, they've had
Speaker 2: a moment that has made them lose belief because they've
Speaker 2: been hurt and broken so many times in love and
Speaker 2: now you're right, on a belief level, they don't believe
Speaker 2: they're lovable, they don't believe love exists for them, they
Speaker 2: don't believe good people exist. Right, these are all beliefs,
Speaker 2: and so what do you do when you've actually gone
Speaker 2: through quite a you could call it a t romantic
Speaker 2: a toxic event or experience that someone's been through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody's had those. I think once again,
Speaker 1: the stronger the emotion you feel from some event in
Speaker 1: your life, the more altered you are inside of you,
Speaker 1: the more you remember the event, that the brain actually
Speaker 1: freezes that frame, right, So the person thinks neurologically within
Speaker 1: the circuitry of that experience, and they feel chemically within
Speaker 1: the boundaries of that emotion. And how we think and
Speaker 1: how we feel becomes our state of beings. So every
Speaker 1: time they remember the event, they're producing that same chemistry,
Speaker 1: as I said, over and over again, and you're conditioning
Speaker 1: the body into a belief, right, and the moment we
Speaker 1: draw a conclusion about that experience, that's the belief right,
Speaker 1: that becomes the belief that we accept to believe in
Speaker 1: surrender to. So then beliefs are subconscious states of being right. So,
Speaker 1: and it tends to be ninety five of who we
Speaker 1: are by the time we get to the middle of
Speaker 1: our life. So it's those subconscious beliefs that really run
Speaker 1: our life and run our reality. So it would make
Speaker 1: sense then to the person unless I can heal from
Speaker 1: the experience and overcome the emotion because the memory without
Speaker 1: the emotional charge is called wisdom, and you never have
Speaker 1: to do it again because you know now that you know.
Speaker 1: If that's the truth, then then okay, I'll do this
Speaker 1: for a period of time. But this state is not
Speaker 1: loving to me. Living in this state is not loving
Speaker 1: to me. What's loving to me is that I actually
Speaker 1: overcome the emotion of the past. And when I overcome
Speaker 1: the emotion of the past, now the body's no longer
Speaker 1: believing in that any longer, right, So that theoretically is
Speaker 1: easier said than done. So the survival emotions tend to
Speaker 1: become very addictive. So the rush of just remembering the
Speaker 1: event is an arousal for the body, and people become
Speaker 1: very addicted to their beliefs. Right and so, but if
Speaker 1: you tell a person like okay, your subconscious mind is
Speaker 1: going to keep replaying the same experience in your life
Speaker 1: unless you heal okay. That could make sense to certain people.
Speaker 1: If you can't overcome that emotion, then you'll never be
Speaker 1: able to open your heart. So do you want love
Speaker 1: in your life or not? Okay? So okay, forgiveness then,
Speaker 1: and we've discovered this forgiveness is when you overcome the
Speaker 1: emotion of your past and you no longer have your
Speaker 1: attention on that person or that experience any longer, right,
Speaker 1: And so you feel so good that you no longer
Speaker 1: want to feel bad, right, And so you free yourself
Speaker 1: from that belief, and you free that person as well
Speaker 1: or the experience. And literally that's that's energy that's liberated
Speaker 1: as information that the body can actually use to create with. Right.
Speaker 1: So I think there's information and knowledge that just has
Speaker 1: to be given to people for them to understand, Okay,
Speaker 1: justified or not, you know, valid or not. The only
Speaker 1: person that this really is affecting is mean they went
Speaker 1: on with their life. They they're they're you know, they
Speaker 1: started a new career, they're they're living in a new place,
Speaker 1: they're writing a book. You know, they're they're on their way,
Speaker 1: and you're holding yourself hostage to the past. Right. So
Speaker 1: then you've got to trust that love is available or
Speaker 1: love is real in in in in order for you
Speaker 1: to create someone in your life that is loving, you
Speaker 1: would have to be worthy of love, and that means
Speaker 1: you would have to feel love too. So I think
Speaker 1: people make their way out of this all the time,
Speaker 1: and we we deal with severe PTSD, you know with veterans,
Speaker 1: and those are there's some pretty brutal memory. He's there,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of trauma that's stored in the
Speaker 1: body as well, and they deal with a lot of difficulties.
Speaker 1: And when you tell them it's the heart that resets
Speaker 1: the baseline for the trauma and the brain. All you
Speaker 1: have to do is have the courage to open that
Speaker 1: thing again. And they may come up against themselves for
Speaker 1: a few days, but once it happens and they understand
Speaker 1: the process, their past is wisdom. They don't have to
Speaker 1: ever go back there again. Right, they understand at all,
Speaker 1: but there's no charge associated with it any longer. And
Speaker 1: that's when we belong to the future. Right, that's when
Speaker 1: the synchronicities and the coincidences and the miracles and the
Speaker 1: opportunities begin to show up in our life that prove
Speaker 1: to us that we are the creators of our life.
Speaker 2: What's the anatomy of belief? Because I feel like we
Speaker 2: know that beliefs are repeated patterns, they're repeated conditioned ideas.
Speaker 2: They're so hardwired. And if we were to start picking
Speaker 2: up that, picking up all our beliefs, so we're purifying
Speaker 2: them or we're renewing them, Like what's the process.
Speaker 1: So I believe that all beliefs are created from past experiences,
Speaker 1: and a belief is just a thought you keep thinking
Speaker 1: over and over again until you hardwired in your brain
Speaker 1: in a hard wired set of circuits. Is an automatic,
Speaker 1: unconscious program. So we have a lot of beliefs about
Speaker 1: things that we're not even conscious of.
Speaker 2: And they're not being tested. We don't have they're true.
Speaker 1: You don't know if they're true. We've actually, in fact
Speaker 1: made them up. And this happens quite a bit in
Speaker 1: the work that we do. People see the testimonials, they
Speaker 1: see the science, they see the data, and they say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I actually believe that this stuff works.
Speaker 1: And they're facing a chronic health condition or serious health condition,
Speaker 1: and they come to the realization that they just became
Speaker 1: just that they didn't believe it would work for them.
Speaker 1: It work, It looks like it works, but I never
Speaker 1: thought it could work for me. Now this is a
Speaker 1: This is a big moment, because this is the moment
Speaker 1: where you're stepping out of the bleachers onto the playing field, right,
Speaker 1: this is now where you've got to show up for
Speaker 1: yourself right. The person when they sit down and they
Speaker 1: decide to make a different choice. And this is the
Speaker 1: hardest part about change. The moment you decide to make
Speaker 1: a different choice, you're going to feel uncomfortable. You're gonna
Speaker 1: leave the familiar, known, right, and the body which has
Speaker 1: been conditioned into the past, into the known, which has
Speaker 1: been conditioned to be the mind the servants the master,
Speaker 1: and it's going to try to talk you out of
Speaker 1: that future that is unfamiliar, unknown, or unpredictable. And so
Speaker 1: that's that that's the moment where the beliefs start coming up.
Speaker 1: You know, you're not good enough, this is too hard,
Speaker 1: you'll never change, you can't create anything. It's this person's fault.
Speaker 1: There's something wrong with me. I want to quit. And
Speaker 1: then people say like, oh, well I have add you know,
Speaker 1: I can't focus my mind. And it turns out they
Speaker 1: say I'm not a good meditator, or don't I can't
Speaker 1: control my mind and meditation is not for me. But
Speaker 1: really I'm doing it wrong, they'll say. But in fact
Speaker 1: they're actually doing it right, because sitting with yourself and
Speaker 1: becoming conscious of all of those unconscious thoughts means now
Speaker 1: you're no longer the program, or you're only in the
Speaker 1: program when you're unconscious to that belief. The moment you
Speaker 1: become conscious of that unconscious belief, the greater the probability
Speaker 1: that you won't go unconscious to it again. And that's
Speaker 1: how you become more conscious, is catching yourself going unconscious,
Speaker 1: and it becomes a skill. The more you practice it,
Speaker 1: the better you get at going like, I'm just not
Speaker 1: going to believe that any longer, and nerve cells that
Speaker 1: no longer fire together, no longer wire together. So as
Speaker 1: you attend to that thought and notice it and observe
Speaker 1: it without actually believing it, it weakens the connections neurologically
Speaker 1: in the brain, and there's a neurological death or a
Speaker 1: separation that's taking place. Okay, So the person then who
Speaker 1: blames and complains and makes excuses and feel sorry for
Speaker 1: themselves and behaves a certain way, well, those are habits, right,
Speaker 1: and those are unconscious programmed behaviors. The only way you're
Speaker 1: going to change is to become conscious that you complain
Speaker 1: all day long or you blame somebody for your life.
Speaker 1: A happy person would never want to be that wor
Speaker 1: behave that way, and would never want to be in
Speaker 1: a relationship with a person who complains all the time,
Speaker 1: why would you write so? Then that person says, Okay,
Speaker 1: how many times do I have to forget until I
Speaker 1: stop forgetting and start remembering? That is my moment of change.
Speaker 1: So today I'm going to behave in a different way
Speaker 1: and make a different choice. I'm going to just stay
Speaker 1: conscious to not do these things. Okay. Then the person says, well,
Speaker 1: I feel unworthy, I feel stressed, I feel unhappy, I
Speaker 1: feel sad, I feel victimized, I feel grief. Whatever is
Speaker 1: this the emotion that I want to have in my future?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: No, these are emotions that are connected to experiences of
Speaker 1: the past. If I truly want love in my life,
Speaker 1: I can't feel resentment. Okay. Am I willing to trade
Speaker 1: resentment for this elevated emotion? Okay? Let me just remember
Speaker 1: all the times in my day. If I start noticing
Speaker 1: I feeling this emotion, I'm just going to become conscious
Speaker 1: and not go unconscious to it and just temper it
Speaker 1: and work with it. Okay. So that is that overcoming process,
Speaker 1: that is the becoming process. Now it would make sense
Speaker 1: then you would have to ask yourself, what do I
Speaker 1: want to believe? What is a thought? Do I that
Speaker 1: I do want to fire and wire in my brain.
Speaker 1: So with intention and with attention, if you have the
Speaker 1: person remember what they wanted to believe, and keep remembering
Speaker 1: what they want to believe, and keep remembering what they
Speaker 1: want to believe, they begin to install the hardware. If
Speaker 1: you keep attending to it, the hardware becomes like a
Speaker 1: software program. And now that's the new belief I can heal,
Speaker 1: I can find the relationship and belief is like pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Either you are or not. I mean, there's no in between.
Speaker 1: So it's you want to install the circuitry to such
Speaker 1: a degree that that's the new voice in your head
Speaker 1: that's saying you, come on, Jay, get up, Come on, Jay,
Speaker 1: let's go. Come on, you can do this. Come on,
Speaker 1: make the time for it. Come on, this is your vision, Come.
Speaker 2: On, coach. In your own head, it's a voice. Voice.
Speaker 1: If the voice is no longer the disbelief, the voice
Speaker 1: is basically your future self talking to you, is what
Speaker 1: it is, all right. So okay, So one of my
Speaker 1: if I start behaving in the old way, I know
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to disbelieve. So how do
Speaker 1: I want to behave? How am I going to behave
Speaker 1: on my next date? How am I going to behave
Speaker 1: in my next zoom meeting with my team? How am
Speaker 1: I going to behave with my children or my family,
Speaker 1: with my partner, with my act I how do I
Speaker 1: want to be? In the act of rehearsing mentally in
Speaker 1: your mind who you want to be? The act of
Speaker 1: just closing your eyes and mentally rehearsing that scene literally
Speaker 1: causes the brain to look like you already did it.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's already happened, right, So now you're
Speaker 1: priming the brain neurologically. Keep doing it over and over again.
Speaker 1: The hardware becomes more automatic. Like a software program, you
Speaker 1: naturally get your behaviors to match your intentions. And because
Speaker 1: you install the circuitry, practice feeling the elevated emotion. If
Speaker 1: you feel that emotion and you say, when I feel
Speaker 1: this emotion, I can believe in that future, then let
Speaker 1: me just keep remembering to feel this way in every
Speaker 1: part of my day. Just not This is not about
Speaker 1: positive thinking. This is about conditioning my body emotionally into
Speaker 1: the future. So I got to keep my energy up
Speaker 1: the entire day, and I can't default back to the
Speaker 1: old person. As long as I'm feeling this emotion, I'm
Speaker 1: going to behave that way. As long as I'm feeling
Speaker 1: this emotion, I'm going to believe in that future if
Speaker 1: I maintain this modified state of mind and body my
Speaker 1: entire day as an experiment, should there be some evidence
Speaker 1: in my life as a result of my change and
Speaker 1: state of being a synchronicity, a coincidence, And if there is,
Speaker 1: then I'm going to do it again. I'm going to
Speaker 1: actually do it again. And I think that's how we
Speaker 1: start stepping into that future.
Speaker 2: What are some I love that What are some practices
Speaker 2: and what are milestones in the day that people can
Speaker 2: use to hardwire those thoughts and beliefs, like, what are
Speaker 2: some mechanism what are some tactics that can make a
Speaker 2: day feel like? Okay, that's my game plan for how
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this, because, as you rightly said,
Speaker 2: you think about it in the morning. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: to try and do this, and then you're late for
Speaker 2: that meeting. You know, you spill coffee over yourself, something
Speaker 2: happened the kids, aren't you know, And then you're stressed
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden you've gone from being
Speaker 2: a descent to die And what are some key checkpoints
Speaker 2: throughout twenty.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's bad to react. I mean
Speaker 1: everybody reacts. I react. The question is how long are
Speaker 1: you going to react? That's the real question, Like how
Speaker 1: long you can keep that going? Because surely if you're
Speaker 1: feeling that emotion, you're going to behave as if you're
Speaker 1: in your past and you're going to believe in that past,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're actually gonna believe that it's valid to
Speaker 1: behave that way. Okay, So if people just set the
Speaker 1: intention in the beginning of their day and we've all
Speaker 1: done this and gone unconscious within the first hour, yeap.
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes for that person with if it is
Speaker 1: before they sit down and neat lunch that they check
Speaker 1: in with themselves and see if they've fallen from grace
Speaker 1: or if they're still in that state or where they're at,
Speaker 1: if they do it on their break. A person who's
Speaker 1: possessed in a good way when they understand like when
Speaker 1: I change, my life changes and nothing changes in my
Speaker 1: life until I change. A person who's really really committed
Speaker 1: to that, they will constantly be checking in with themselves
Speaker 1: because they're paying more attention to their inner world. They're
Speaker 1: paying more attention to themselves and less attention to everybody else.
Speaker 1: They're really regulating their state. So to any reminder a
Speaker 1: person has, and I do this sometimes three times a day,
Speaker 1: I have to break away and remember like I'm losing it,
Speaker 1: like my energy's dropping, and in the light of all eternity,
Speaker 1: this moment matters more than anything else because it's never
Speaker 1: going to be the right time. It's never going to
Speaker 1: be the right time when you feel that emotion. If
Speaker 1: I could convert right now and when it's the hardest,
Speaker 1: it matters the most. If I can just get back
Speaker 1: into my heart and change my state, synchronize my heart
Speaker 1: to my brain. If I can do that in fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes and come back out, will I see reality differently? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me practice that. I tend to be more patient.
Speaker 1: I tend to be more aware. I think the heart
Speaker 1: is a different consciousness. I tend to be more considerate,
Speaker 1: more present. I think that's the side effect of doing it.
Speaker 1: So change is about reminding yourself over and over again.
Speaker 1: Change is about the overcoming process. The overcoming process is
Speaker 1: actually the becoming process. And people all the time that
Speaker 1: heal in this work, they're doing their meditations. They're not
Speaker 1: doing their meditations to heal, They're doings to change, and
Speaker 1: they discover that when they change, they heal. So, now
Speaker 1: if you accept that as a new belief that when
Speaker 1: I change, my life will change, and you got to
Speaker 1: keep reminding yourself of that belief. You got to keep
Speaker 1: reminding yourself if I change, because this goes against the program,
Speaker 1: like when my life changes, then I'll change. That's the program. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: when you change, the experiment is will your life change? Okay,
Speaker 1: So then now you attack the belief. It's not like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is something that's bigger than me.
Speaker 1: You attack the belief like this is no longer serving me.
Speaker 1: Being complaining is making me unhappy. Living by this emotion
Speaker 1: justified or not, is not loving to me. This is
Speaker 1: down regulating genes. My body's believing it's living in the
Speaker 1: same event twenty four hours a day. If I feel
Speaker 1: the same emotion, okay, well let's change that. So when
Speaker 1: the person is taking on that belief like if I change,
Speaker 1: my life changes, and I think most people try to
Speaker 1: create a new personal reality as the same personality. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work. We got to become somebody else. So if
Speaker 1: you took that on as the truth, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: to remember that if I change, my health could change.
Speaker 1: If I change, my life could change. Okay, Now it's
Speaker 1: a different game. Now. It's not like I have to
Speaker 1: This is like I want to change to see my
Speaker 1: life change, right, It's more of a want to What are.
Speaker 2: Some of the changes that you've seen people make in
Speaker 2: their life that have had the biggest changes in their life.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, God, I've seen I've seen the most
Speaker 1: amazing things in the last in just in the last
Speaker 1: few years. I mean the Joe the Spenzer that sitting
Speaker 1: here today has had a dramatic change in his belief
Speaker 1: system in witnessing human transformation to the scale that I've
Speaker 1: witnessed it, that's literally changed my belief in what's possible, right,
Speaker 1: I mean in it's coming from the data that we're gas,
Speaker 1: but it's also coming from the stories of transformation testimonials
Speaker 1: and this. I have to be careful about this because
Speaker 1: this is a stretch for a lot of people. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about you know, just fifty people. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about hundreds if not thousands of people who've broken the
Speaker 1: four minute mile, that they went from absolute bankruptcy in
Speaker 1: severe debt to you know, super abundance, whole new life
Speaker 1: by changing. I've seen people with all kinds of health conditions,
Speaker 1: from muscular dystrophe to spinal cord injuries, to Parkinson's disease,
Speaker 1: to Stage four cancers to all kinds of crazy serious
Speaker 1: health conditions to go into complete remission. The person changed,
Speaker 1: and when they changed, their health change. I've seen people
Speaker 1: brain scans when they're in that place of a transcendental experience.
Speaker 1: I've seen what the brain looks like. That arousal that's
Speaker 1: taking place in that moment where they're connecting is not fear,
Speaker 1: it's not anger, it's not pain. That's what typically creates
Speaker 1: arousal of survival. This arousal is ecstasy. This arousal is bliss.
Speaker 1: They're having a transcendental moment where they're interacting with something
Speaker 1: that's beyond their senses that's causing their body to be
Speaker 1: lifted and aroused.
Speaker 2: How much work does it take?
Speaker 1: That's the crazy thing about what we're discovering. Get a
Speaker 1: group of people together, give them information that's based on science.
Speaker 1: Have them understand the information, have it, teach it back
Speaker 1: to somebody, Have them understand what they're doing and why
Speaker 1: they're doing it. You know, combine quantum physics with neuroscience
Speaker 1: and neuroendochronology and psychooneurimmunology and epigenetics and magnetism in Newtonian
Speaker 1: physics and all that stuff. But make it really simple
Speaker 1: that makes sense to them so they can understand it.
Speaker 1: Leave nothing to conjecture, nothing to superstition, nothing to dogma.
Speaker 1: Have it wired in their brain so they can teach
Speaker 1: it back to somebody. They understand it. Set up the
Speaker 1: conditions in the environment to apply that information, that philosophy,
Speaker 1: that theory, personalize it, demonstrate, do something with it. Get
Speaker 1: your behaviors to match your intentions, get your actions equal
Speaker 1: to your thoughts. Get your mind and body working together.
Speaker 1: You can have a new experience. Experience enriches circuitry in
Speaker 1: the brain and it makes a chemical and that chemical
Speaker 1: is called a feeling or an emotion. And now you're
Speaker 1: teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind is
Speaker 1: intellectually understood. Now the knowledge isn't just in the mind.
Speaker 1: Knowledge is the information, and the experience is now in
Speaker 1: a body, and that's what emotion doesn't work chemically instructing
Speaker 1: our body to understand what our mind is intellectually understood.
Speaker 1: So you get a group of people together and have
Speaker 1: them understand information and then go to the application that
Speaker 1: you can see that in seven days people have these
Speaker 1: very profound transcendental experiences.
Speaker 2: Are your progress workshops?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the week long retreats, and so when we look
Speaker 1: at the data and people who hit these aroused states,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's more than fifty percent of the subjects that
Speaker 1: we're measuring in terms of their brain scan, So it's
Speaker 1: not like one person or two people. It happens more
Speaker 1: and more as people get better at doing it.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any key traits that people who accelerate
Speaker 2: that process have, people who really applied themselves effectively to
Speaker 2: the process. What kind of traits and characteristics can people
Speaker 2: develop in order to really see that shift and see
Speaker 2: that change for themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I think people have to be present with information,
Speaker 1: and I think paying attention is being present, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a skill and the more you practice it,
Speaker 1: the better you get at it. But if you're not present,
Speaker 1: then you can't you can't hear the information. Because your
Speaker 1: mind is in the predictable future of the familiar past.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So that's why online courses for me is something that
Speaker 1: I never would ever do because I don't want to
Speaker 1: compete with a person's attention, because it's so much easier
Speaker 1: to forget this information than to remember it. Right. But
Speaker 1: if you can get a community people together, have them
Speaker 1: understand the information, and then in seven days immerse themselves
Speaker 1: fully into transformation and change, sooner or later, there's an
Speaker 1: emergent consciousness that takes place in the collective. And this
Speaker 1: is what we discovered. One of the things that was
Speaker 1: so amazing in just looking at the data is you
Speaker 1: get people from all over the world that come to
Speaker 1: these events, you know, sometimes the ninety different countries, and
Speaker 1: you have everybody with their own very specific genotype and
Speaker 1: genes make proteins, right, So everybody has their own unique
Speaker 1: gene expression and their own genotype. But at the end
Speaker 1: of seven days, about eighty percent of the population is
Speaker 1: expressing the same genes and making the same proteins. That
Speaker 1: means that that the tribe, the flock, the herd, the collective,
Speaker 1: there's an emergent consciousness where people are biologically evolving together, right,
Speaker 1: So something happens that's intangible when you get a group
Speaker 1: of people together and they start overcoming themselves and they
Speaker 1: sit with themselves long enough to be curious about what's
Speaker 1: on the other side of that belief. Instead of saying
Speaker 1: I quit and get up and get my cell phone
Speaker 1: or call somebody, or go eat something and go do something,
Speaker 1: you're going to sit there, and you're going to just
Speaker 1: become really conscious that you're not going to give up
Speaker 1: on you. You're going to go past that point. And
Speaker 1: I think giving up on ourselves becomes a habit, right,
Speaker 1: allow the person to get beyond sit long enough that
Speaker 1: they come up against that emptiness or that pain or
Speaker 1: that sadness, and instead of getting up and saying I'm
Speaker 1: doing meditation wrong, I understand I'm actually doing it right.
Speaker 1: This is part of the transformation process. Okay, now that
Speaker 1: I'm feeling this emotion, let me just lower the volume
Speaker 1: to this emotion and get back into the present moment.
Speaker 1: And now you're taming the animal, right, Yeah, you're taming
Speaker 1: the animal self. And it takes an enormous amount of energy,
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of awareness to do that. So, so
Speaker 1: if you give people the information, and you give them
Speaker 1: numerous opportunities to overcome themselves and numerous opportunities to connect.
Speaker 1: Sooner or later, this emersion consciousness will begin to form,
Speaker 1: and just like infection spreads amongst the community and creates disease,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you see health and wealth and
Speaker 1: abundance and freedom becomes as infectious as disease. And then
Speaker 1: and then that's what we see at the end of
Speaker 1: seven days. There is an emergent consciousness that's reflected in
Speaker 1: people's biology and genetically, they look like they're living in
Speaker 1: a new life. Thousands and thousands of metabolites are being
Speaker 1: released into their blood to suggest they're in a new
Speaker 1: environment and they're in a ballroom and there's nothing really
Speaker 1: special happening in a ballroom, but their bodies looking like
Speaker 1: they're living in a new life, and they're making thousands
Speaker 1: of new chemicals, you know, endogenous opioids, chemicals for neurogenesis,
Speaker 1: chemicals that suppress cancer growth, chemicals that downregulate the genes
Speaker 1: for Alzheimer's, chemicals that's created a resistance to a spike virus.
Speaker 1: These are chemicals that the body innately is secreting when
Speaker 1: it's living in the environment of love. When it's living,
Speaker 1: the body can be relaxed in the present moment, not
Speaker 1: be preoccupied with the next moment. We discovered when you're
Speaker 1: relaxed in your heart and you're awake in your brain,
Speaker 1: you're in the perfect state.
Speaker 2: Awake in your brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the formula.
Speaker 2: How long does it take scientifically to rewire a belief?
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you could actually measure that.
Speaker 1: I think there's too many variables, the comprehension of the information,
Speaker 1: how long the person meditates, how present they are when
Speaker 1: they are meditating, what their past was like, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of variables. I've seen it happen instantaneously.
Speaker 1: What appears instantaneous to be instantaneous, But that person could
Speaker 1: have been grappling with that belief, you know, for a
Speaker 1: long period of time. So it turns out, when we're
Speaker 1: relaxed in our heart, the body is believing it's living
Speaker 1: in a nurturing environment, and it begins to express new genes.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly how we change.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, we always hear that, you know, the famous
Speaker 2: thirty to ninety days for a habit, like sixty days
Speaker 2: for a habit, that kind of thing to change a habit,
Speaker 2: But a belief is so much more deeper than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a belief is a habit of thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a really unconscious habit of thinking. Everybody's belief
Speaker 1: should always be challenged. My belief in what's possible is
Speaker 1: being challenged today. I think that's fun. Like I watched
Speaker 1: the scientists that are doing the studies, the empirical studies,
Speaker 1: and watching them run the same experiment five times in
Speaker 1: a row because they're really expecting a different outcome. I know,
Speaker 1: right in that moment they're changing their belief. I know,
Speaker 1: right in that moment they're discovering something new. I know
Speaker 1: in that moment they're going on, this is unbelievable. Right. So,
Speaker 1: I think the greatest belief that we could ever have
Speaker 1: is our belief in ourselves and our belief and possibility.
Speaker 1: And I think that has to be earned. That has
Speaker 1: to be earned. You've got to show up for you
Speaker 1: enough times where you have that belief. You earned it.
Speaker 1: It's not like you do something in one day. The
Speaker 1: person who heals from a health condition, who finally says,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I thought this could work for me.
Speaker 1: They show up every day. They're showing up every single
Speaker 1: day because if they don't show up, then they don't
Speaker 1: believe it's possible, and they have to show up to
Speaker 1: prove to themselves that it is. And some of those
Speaker 1: people did their meditation for a year and they earned
Speaker 1: that belief in that future. And of course the effect
Speaker 1: was they had that moment that looked like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that person just seeing they've been walking the yellow brick
Speaker 1: road for the last year and they never missed a day.
Speaker 1: And they'll tell you the meditations I remember the most
Speaker 1: were the hard ones, not the easy ones, the ones
Speaker 1: where I had to sit with myself and I would
Speaker 1: not give up. Those are the ones that mattered the most,
Speaker 1: because that's what got them to that point, right. It
Speaker 1: was the overcoming process. Nobody wants to overcome. Amazon Prime
Speaker 1: just spoiled us, you know, they just on it, right,
Speaker 1: But it's the overcoming process that ninety five percent that's programmed.
Speaker 1: That's what you've got to dig deep in and you've
Speaker 1: got to become really conscious of it and that overcoming process.
Speaker 1: The side effect of that is the actual becoming process.
Speaker 1: The body's liberated energy naturally moves to the heart. It's
Speaker 1: not like something that you have to do. The body
Speaker 1: is no longer tormented emotionally by the past, it's no
Speaker 1: longer habituated into the past, it's no longer believing in
Speaker 1: the past. Energy naturally moves into the heart when it's
Speaker 1: not in survival. It's where it should be going. And
Speaker 1: now we're ready to create. So it's important for people
Speaker 1: to understand that you always have to give something up
Speaker 1: from your past in order to create a new future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just so obsessed with the person at the
Speaker 2: top of the mountain that we don't look at the
Speaker 2: journey they took to get this. Sure, and no matter
Speaker 2: how many times we know that there is no such
Speaker 2: thing as an overnight success in any way in healing
Speaker 2: or whatever it may be, constantly feel like, oh, but
Speaker 2: look at that person. They've figured it out and they're enlightened.
Speaker 2: Maybe they always had it. We're we're good at ascribing
Speaker 2: enlightenment to people without thinking that they had a purification
Speaker 2: journey to get there. Yeah, and therefore we kind of
Speaker 2: believe like we either have it or we don't. We
Speaker 2: don't believe that journey is possible for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I think we were told the
Speaker 1: wrong story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've just kept telling ourselves the wrong sting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw in source you talked about how protein in
Speaker 2: meditation that creates immunity. When did you talk about that?
Speaker 2: That's that just sounds mind blowing.
Speaker 1: As I said, genes make proteins, and proteins responsible for
Speaker 1: the structure and function of your body. The expression of
Speaker 1: proteins is the expression of life. So react and respond
Speaker 1: the conditions that cause you to feel the emotions of survival.
Speaker 1: Your reaction or your response to that condition, to that
Speaker 1: challenge will actually weaken your body if you keep doing
Speaker 1: it over and over again. Stress it consumes enormous amounts
Speaker 1: of energy for the body. So the repetition of that
Speaker 1: begins to downregulate genes and create disease. And so if
Speaker 1: you can turn on the stress response just by thinking
Speaker 1: about that problem, your thoughts could make you sick. So
Speaker 1: the question is can your thoughts make you well? And
Speaker 1: so we said to people, Okay, trade resentment and impatience
Speaker 1: and frustration for an elevated emotion like gratitude or appreciation,
Speaker 1: kindness and care. We'll hook you up to a heart
Speaker 1: rate monitor. We want to make sure that your heart
Speaker 1: is coherent, so we know that you're actually feeling these emotions.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna measure an immunoglobulin called immunoglobulin A, which
Speaker 1: is really the primary defense against bacteria and virus in
Speaker 1: your body. It's the body's natural flu shot and it's
Speaker 1: suppressed when cortisol levels go up because stress hormones shut
Speaker 1: down the immune system. So could a person then create
Speaker 1: an elevated emotion And the body is so objective that
Speaker 1: it does not know the difference between a real life
Speaker 1: experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that that
Speaker 1: person is fabricating by thought alone. To the body, it's
Speaker 1: the unconscious mind, it's the same. So if the person
Speaker 1: feels the elevated emotion, will they begin to signal new
Speaker 1: genes that will make new proteins. And we discovered that
Speaker 1: that particular immune globulin A went up by fifty percent
Speaker 1: in the subjects that we measured, So feeling elevated emotions
Speaker 1: causes the body to upregulate genes and allow the immune
Speaker 1: system to repair and regenerate. Now that study was our
Speaker 1: first study, but when we when we started looking at
Speaker 1: the plasma of advanced meditators right around the time COVID happened.
Speaker 1: In one some of our first experiments that we did
Speaker 1: with the University of California, San Diego, we had all
Speaker 1: this plasma and they closed the lab down and closed
Speaker 1: the university down and the lab was minimized, but we
Speaker 1: had all this great plasma from advanced meditator, so there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of time. So we just started
Speaker 1: messing around with creating a pseudovirus like a SARS COVID
Speaker 1: two virus, and we picked the first subject and we
Speaker 1: did what's called an adoptive transfer. We used his plasma
Speaker 1: and put the pseudovirus near an A two receptor, which
Speaker 1: would you know what the spike virus attaches to. And
Speaker 1: we discovered that there was an immunity in the plasma
Speaker 1: of the advanced meditator where the virus could not enter
Speaker 1: the cell, like it was like stuck on the outside
Speaker 1: of the cell. We saw that in novice meditators there
Speaker 1: were some that were stuck to the outside of the
Speaker 1: cell and others that made it into the cell, and
Speaker 1: then we saw with the controls that they all were
Speaker 1: in the cell. And so we went through a series
Speaker 1: of the scientific experiments, and we isolated that it was
Speaker 1: a protein, and then we'd isolated the exact protein that
Speaker 1: the body and advanced meditators make, and it's called serpent
Speaker 1: A five, And if you look online for serpent a five,
Speaker 1: it'll tell you that it has a profound effect against
Speaker 1: the sarscobe two virus. And so the plasma of advanced
Speaker 1: meditators were naturally creating an elevated level of serpent A
Speaker 1: five that inhibited the virus from entering the cells. In
Speaker 1: other words, the body is greater than the environment. And
Speaker 1: so we've replicated the study a few times and we
Speaker 1: see the same outcomes. We published a paper on it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's out there.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's I mean, that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were super surprised. We were really surprised.
Speaker 2: Very surprising. Yeah, it's mind blowing to think about that
Speaker 2: being possible, but I guess it shouldn't be. It's just
Speaker 2: that we haven't we haven't really accessed the true powers
Speaker 2: of the body in the mind, and we're almost unaware.
Speaker 2: You know, we always hear that quote of like you
Speaker 2: only use ten percent of your brain or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: What is your research found of like how much we're
Speaker 2: not tapping into the ability that we have.
Speaker 1: Well, they used to call this pseudoscience, and I can
Speaker 1: tell you know, you can't call it pseudoscience. This is
Speaker 1: what our data suggests. Our data suggests that your autonomic
Speaker 1: nervous system manufactures the pharmacy of chemicals that works better
Speaker 1: than any drug. That's what our data shows. A drug
Speaker 1: study at its best is about twenty five percent one
Speaker 1: out of four people have a response, and it usually
Speaker 1: takes three months or more to have an effect. We're
Speaker 1: seeing that at the end of seven days, the seventy
Speaker 1: five percent, eighty four percent, one hundred percent of the
Speaker 1: people that are in that are being tested are having
Speaker 1: the same outcomes. So their plasma, their blood, their brains
Speaker 1: in seven days look like advanced meditators people who just
Speaker 1: have never meditated before. Every time we've done a study,
Speaker 1: we have been completely blown away by the power of
Speaker 1: human potential. We're greater than we think, We're more powerful
Speaker 1: than we know, We're more unlimited than we can ever dream.
Speaker 1: And when you have this incredible evidence in science, and
Speaker 1: you have the incredible evidence in human testimony, I think
Speaker 1: evidence is allowed us voice right. So as again my
Speaker 1: belief has been absolutely blown away because the data is
Speaker 1: telling us that we're incredibly powerful. And as an example,
Speaker 1: we took just as a fun experiment, we took young
Speaker 1: people between the ages of eighteen and twenty five and
Speaker 1: we paired them with elders that were at least thirty
Speaker 1: years or more older in their sixties, seventies, or eighties,
Speaker 1: and we did brain scans on them and did cognitive
Speaker 1: tests on them, and did some other studies. And the
Speaker 1: job was that they had to spend the entire seven
Speaker 1: days together. They had to eat together, they had to
Speaker 1: sit next to each other, they had to teach the
Speaker 1: information back to each other, they had to meditate next
Speaker 1: to each other, they had to have a huddle at
Speaker 1: five point thirty in the morning and take these cognitive tests.
Speaker 1: And it was hilarious because at the beginning of a study,
Speaker 1: the elders were like, I'm sorry, I have another kid.
Speaker 1: This kid is not going to work for me. And
Speaker 1: the young kids were like, oh my god, that person
Speaker 1: is There's no way. They're so mean, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to make it. And we said no, no on this part
Speaker 1: of the study. And turns out that they became incredibly
Speaker 1: connected and we used people going through a seven day
Speaker 1: retreat as the control, which just about one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of the people's brains changed for the better. So these people,
Speaker 1: we knew their brains were going to change for the better.
Speaker 1: But when we paired the young with the old, their
Speaker 1: brains were comparatively way better, way better than anybody in
Speaker 1: the in the community that was going through the event.
Speaker 1: In other words, the wisdom of the elder somehow was
Speaker 1: transferred to the youth, and the plasticity of the youth
Speaker 1: somehow was given to the elder. And we looked at
Speaker 1: the post scans of the brain. Their four brains were
Speaker 1: in beautiful gamma like super conscious, super present, super aware,
Speaker 1: and the rest of the brain was elegant patterns of alpha,
Speaker 1: creative and relaxed and awake. When we did the cognitive tests,
Speaker 1: you know, we expected that we were expecting or hoping
Speaker 1: that the elders would perform better by hanging out with
Speaker 1: the youth. But we discovered the youth actually performed better
Speaker 1: by hanging out with the elders. And again, we just
Speaker 1: never anticipated that it's so important for you to hang
Speaker 1: out with your grandparents, it's so important to hang out
Speaker 1: with people that are older than you, because there's an
Speaker 1: exchange of information, both locally and non locally that transforms
Speaker 1: each other. And we discovered that people change people. That's
Speaker 1: what community is about. So get a collective network together
Speaker 1: of two thousand people or twenty five hundred people from
Speaker 1: all over the world, and at the end of seven days,
Speaker 1: they're all expressing the same genes, making the same proteins
Speaker 1: or microbiome is dramatically changed. Their microbiome looks like they're
Speaker 1: a completely different person. They're making thirteen fourteen different probiotic
Speaker 1: microbes that would take them months to make, and they're
Speaker 1: making those in seven days, right, So the emerging consciousness
Speaker 1: is being reflected on every level, from brain to heart,
Speaker 1: to microbiome to gene expression, to immune system to breast milk.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're seeing great studies in the breast milk
Speaker 1: studies we're doing with women that go through a seven
Speaker 1: day event. There's information in their breast milk that could
Speaker 1: heal a wound in forty eight hours that would normally
Speaker 1: take two weeks, where there's information in there that's pro
Speaker 1: life and pro growth. So we've never been disappointed Jay
Speaker 1: in any of the studies we've done. We've always sat
Speaker 1: there and shook our heads. And every now and then
Speaker 1: a new scientist joins the you know, joins the team,
Speaker 1: and someone will be presenting on the microbiome as an example,
Speaker 1: and you see these I mean dramatic changes where people's
Speaker 1: microbiomes actually look the same. Right, So they're not changing
Speaker 1: their diet, they're not taking a probiotic, they're not staying
Speaker 1: away from you know, there's no you know, no abstinence
Speaker 1: from sugar. They're just living there. Everything's the same, but
Speaker 1: their microbiomes are completely different to reflect a different person.
Speaker 1: There's a neuroscientist and that kind of joined and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, how is this all working? Like, how is
Speaker 1: the mind producing such dramatic effects on the microbiome in
Speaker 1: seven days? So we're never disappointed in the studies we do.
Speaker 1: So I do think we have a really great potential
Speaker 1: human potential. I just think that we have to reframe
Speaker 1: certain beliefs about health and certain certain beliefs around lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Before I get to my last question, there's one thing
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, Richard. You've told about the
Speaker 2: power of you know, you're doing these retreats, right, now
Speaker 2: with you just told me once coming up with like
Speaker 2: eight thousand people twenty five hundred people, and you're talking
Speaker 2: about the power of collective consciousness, and I think the
Speaker 2: world at large is experiencing what seems to be a
Speaker 2: dividing collective consciousness. And I think even if you look
Speaker 2: at it on a micro level, Let's give an example
Speaker 2: of like a bunch of friends you like to get
Speaker 2: together and they like to talk about their challenges and
Speaker 2: the problems and the issues they're having with whatever it
Speaker 2: may be. What's kind of collective consciousness? Is that creating?
Speaker 2: And how can people elevate each other together as friends?
Speaker 2: Because in the same way as you said, until we change,
Speaker 2: nothing changes. We keep seeing the same people, we're all
Speaker 2: in the same position, and things are not changing, so
Speaker 2: obviously something hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: First thing is that reality is a memory. We see
Speaker 1: reality through the lens of the past. That's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. So, so I have a memory of you,
Speaker 1: and as long as they have a memory of you,
Speaker 1: you show up equal to my memory of you. Then
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I can recognize Jay. The moment a
Speaker 1: person starts to change in a small collective community, they
Speaker 1: don't show up as the memory that people have of them,
Speaker 1: like something's different, something's out of phase, right, And so
Speaker 1: then a question is like, what is it? What is
Speaker 1: it about you? And if the person's happier than you,
Speaker 1: suspect ohether they are in love or oh they must
Speaker 1: have got a new job, or they're taken a new drug,
Speaker 1: a new medication, whatever it is, right, but they're genuinely
Speaker 1: just different or happy. So if that consciousness of that
Speaker 1: small collective is all about evolution, is all about love,
Speaker 1: it's all about growth, you're going to say to that person,
Speaker 1: so what happened? And that person's going to say, I changed, Like, well,
Speaker 1: how did you change? I just decided that I was
Speaker 1: holding on to this emotion resentment, and I've just been
Speaker 1: working for the last two weeks, and I feel better,
Speaker 1: Like I genuinely feel better now that I'm not addicted
Speaker 1: to that emotion of resentment. Now the person is naturally
Speaker 1: going to say, what, well, how did you do that? Well? Okay,
Speaker 1: And then you get in the conversation about change. Right now,
Speaker 1: the person's inspired by someone in the flock who's breaking
Speaker 1: out and changing their consciousness, changing their awareness, changing their energy,
Speaker 1: changing their emotional state, and it's evident. They're the example,
Speaker 1: and mere neurons switch on in the brain and mere
Speaker 1: neurons emulate behavior. So if that person is kind and
Speaker 1: present and considerate and caring, all of a sudden, you're like, wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: Jay is like really present and really cool, and you're
Speaker 1: going to begin to think about that more and more,
Speaker 1: and miror neurons will be like encouraging you to behave
Speaker 1: like that tribe, that person in the tribe. You get
Speaker 1: enough people doing that, and then you know, the collective
Speaker 1: changes naturally. And of course it's not a linear process,
Speaker 1: but that's how people change now on a macroscopic level,
Speaker 1: like the world, and all the time that I've lived
Speaker 1: on this planet, I've never seen the world personally in
Speaker 1: the state that it currently is in. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of separation, there's a lot of division, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of extremes. How there's a lot of uncertainty. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy time. And so our curiosity is
Speaker 1: there's a collective consciousness in the world, and that collective
Speaker 1: consciousness is based on the information that the consciousness is
Speaker 1: being fed. Because information causes you to become conscious of
Speaker 1: whatever you are unconscious to and you can't have consciousness
Speaker 1: without energy. You can't have a thought without a frequency.
Speaker 1: So the division that's taking place collectively is a lot
Speaker 1: of chaos and a lot of disorder. Okay, So if
Speaker 1: the energy is chaotic and entropic and disorderly, but there's
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of it, is there a way to
Speaker 1: change that energy collectively? And is it the number of people,
Speaker 1: is it the amount of energy, or is it the
Speaker 1: most coherent signature? And it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: large group. It could be a small collective group with
Speaker 1: coherent hearts in coherent brains. Could they begin to collectively
Speaker 1: begin to change the field. And that's what we're looking at.
Speaker 1: We're looking to see in an event that we do
Speaker 1: with two thousand people. As an example, we have random
Speaker 1: even generators that are placed all throughout the room and
Speaker 1: they're sophisticated coin tosses, and the more you toss a coin,
Speaker 1: the more it's going to be fifty to fifty. So
Speaker 1: these machines are tossing thousands of tosses per second. So
Speaker 1: and the random it wouldn't be zero zero one zero
Speaker 1: one zero one, and maybe one one one zero zero
Speaker 1: zero one zero one zero zero zero one one one
Speaker 1: zero zero like that, back and forth. But overall it's
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. And if there's nobody in the room,
Speaker 1: it's always fifty to fifty. Get a collective network of
Speaker 1: observers together with brain and heart coherence, and set an
Speaker 1: intention for whatever it is. It's just to say, heal others,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that machine goes zero one
Speaker 1: zero one one one. It just moves right outside of
Speaker 1: the norm outside. So this is a machine that's programmed
Speaker 1: to flip a coin randomly, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the effects of a collective network of observers is causing
Speaker 1: a random event generator to become more orderly. There's an
Speaker 1: effect that's taking place. Okay, we see it over and
Speaker 1: over again. We take one of those random event generators
Speaker 1: and we wrap them in a Faraday cage, you know,
Speaker 1: like copper and nickel in heavy metals inside lay electromagnetism,
Speaker 1: and they insulate frequency. You go to the dentisty puts
Speaker 1: the lead apron on you. It's to block the radiation
Speaker 1: from the X ray, right, So that's frequency. So build
Speaker 1: a Faraday cage around one of them and insulate them
Speaker 1: and all the others are moving outside of normal, but
Speaker 1: the one that's insulated is behaving as if nobody's in
Speaker 1: the room. So now we're starting to wonder is it
Speaker 1: an electromagnetic energy that actually is having this effect? Right?
Speaker 1: So then how is that important? Well, Okay, if you're
Speaker 1: in survival, you're not going to trust. If you're in survival,
Speaker 1: it's all about the self. If it's in survival, you're
Speaker 1: not at your best. You're going to act very primitive, primitively. Okay.
Speaker 1: So coherent heart magnetic field, coherent brain electric field. Now
Speaker 1: you've got a Wi Fi signal. What is the number
Speaker 1: of people that it would take to begin to produce
Speaker 1: changes that could be globally So we did this event
Speaker 1: in September last year called Walk for the World, and
Speaker 1: we invited the entire world to walk to become the
Speaker 1: very change they want to see in the world. We
Speaker 1: estimated we had probably about three hundred in plus three
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people from all over the world in one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two different countries gather together and do
Speaker 1: this walk. And we were partnering with the Heart Math Institute,
Speaker 1: and they have these gigantic sensors that measures the earth
Speaker 1: electromagnetic field. Okay, So the hypothesis was, if we could
Speaker 1: change the Earth's field, will it have an effect on
Speaker 1: human behavior, like, will it produce some type of change
Speaker 1: in the collective consciousness. So when we did that walk,
Speaker 1: we saw the same thing happen that happened in the
Speaker 1: room with a random event generator, the same exact pattern
Speaker 1: they just went, and all of a sudden, about at
Speaker 1: forty five minutes in to the walk, you see this
Speaker 1: dramatic shift in the field of the Earth. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what it takes, but I do know that
Speaker 1: an emergent consciousness that could form for humanity is going
Speaker 1: to have to be a collective consciousness. It's not one soul,
Speaker 1: it's it's a collective network. And so just like that
Speaker 1: flock of birds, just like that school of fish. You
Speaker 1: study that phenomenon in biology and you think there's some
Speaker 1: leader that everybody's foeling, but it's not a top down front.
Speaker 1: It's a bottom up from it, and everybody's leading. Everybody
Speaker 1: is behaving in the same way in synchrony. And when
Speaker 1: that happens, the appearance of a larger organism always takes place,
Speaker 1: and the tribe comes together. Pro social network switch on
Speaker 1: on the brain. We move closer, we bond. We don't
Speaker 1: see we don't see any differences. We come together. We
Speaker 1: only see the vine in each other. And and our
Speaker 1: appreciation for life, our appreciation for the moment is enhanced
Speaker 1: from the experience as well.
Speaker 2: So powerful, I mean that that resonates so strongly. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely something to aspire to and work towards, something,
Speaker 2: something to something to kind of lock into creating in
Speaker 2: our small communities and not underestimating the value of our
Speaker 2: ordinariness and how powerful that can be and how extraordinary
Speaker 2: it can be when we're connected together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think love is the nelue, right,
Speaker 1: you know that it's what bonds us. It's it's the
Speaker 1: magnetic force that draws things together. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: very limbic brained thing. And and and uh, falling in
Speaker 1: love with yourself, falling in love with life, falling in
Speaker 1: love with the future, you know, falling in love with
Speaker 1: the moment is what why we're here. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what makes life beautiful. So in the world right now,
Speaker 1: the world needs everybody, The world needs you, The world
Speaker 1: needs me, and the world needs everybody to actually show
Speaker 1: up as the very change they want to see in
Speaker 1: the world. That means then you're going to have to
Speaker 1: do things that feel unnatural. That means when everybody else
Speaker 1: is angry and resentful, you're showing forgiveness. When everybody else
Speaker 1: is fearful and anxious, that's time to show courage. You know.
Speaker 1: When people are racing and rushing and competing to get
Speaker 1: to the top, that's when you stand still and draw
Speaker 1: the experience to you. And I think when you do
Speaker 1: that in the beginning, it feels unnatural. But that's how
Speaker 1: we become supernatural, right, That's how an emerging consciousness can
Speaker 1: actually form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing that's really going to stay with
Speaker 2: me today is that I used to believe that the
Speaker 2: opposite of love was hate, but actually it's stress. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And because a lot of people will say I'm not
Speaker 2: a hateful person, but I think everyone will agree that
Speaker 2: they're a stressed out yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, fear is not the opposite of love, it's
Speaker 1: the separation from it. And you know, pain and suffering
Speaker 1: is not the opposite of love. It's a separation from it. Anger, hatred, hostility, violence,
Speaker 1: It's not the opposite of love, it's the separation from it.
Speaker 1: So then a person who begins to transform themselves. And
Speaker 1: you know, we work with prisons, you know, thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of prisoners, and these these are people that can't
Speaker 1: even close their eyes and meditate because their instinct tells
Speaker 1: them that something really horrible will happen to them because
Speaker 1: they've had a turbulent past. You see, prisoners come together,
Speaker 1: right and move out of stress, the absence of the
Speaker 1: addiction to the stress hormones. It's called joy. The body
Speaker 1: is free, it's no longer out of balance, and people
Speaker 1: come back into the balance of their They feel like
Speaker 1: themselves again. Like I feel like myself again. I got
Speaker 1: my life back. And I just read a testimonial from
Speaker 1: one of the veterans that we do the study on
Speaker 1: PTSD just last week and retreat that we did. These
Speaker 1: are people that had some pretty turbulent pasts, you know,
Speaker 1: and that were suicidal and they this guy said, I
Speaker 1: was ready to take my life, you know, I was
Speaker 1: ready that bills to end my own misery. And I
Speaker 1: feel completely different now I've got my life back, I
Speaker 1: got my family back, I got everything is different, right,
Speaker 1: I'm different. I feel that I can't stop crying, like so,
Speaker 1: so the war ended. The war ended for him, you know,
Speaker 1: it ended like yeah, he's not an old soldier and
Speaker 1: now he's a new soldier. Right, it ended. It ended.
Speaker 1: So that person who tells the story of their mental
Speaker 1: health change, the person who tells the story of their
Speaker 1: change from their physical health condition, the person who tells
Speaker 1: the story that's gone from bankruptcy to abundance, the person
Speaker 1: who tells the story of how the synchronicity of them
Speaker 1: running into the person that would become the love of
Speaker 1: their life happened. When they stand on the stage and
Speaker 1: they tell the story to the collective, there's a change
Speaker 1: in consciousness because the person's becoming aware there's truth standing
Speaker 1: right on the stage. There's an example of truth that's
Speaker 1: telling them that somehow this person has changed and their
Speaker 1: life and their health has changed, their their future changed
Speaker 1: in some way. And that forem minute mile. Then the
Speaker 1: person that's speaking it is breaking through a certain level
Speaker 1: of consciousness or unconsciousness, and surely someone in the audience
Speaker 1: is going to relate with them. They're going to see,
Speaker 1: my goodness, if that person can do it, I can
Speaker 1: do it as well, Right, and that's when it gets
Speaker 1: really fun because that's when the person believes in themselves
Speaker 1: a little bit more right in their belief and possibility
Speaker 1: is enhanced their able to make their change in a
Speaker 1: shorter amount of time. In other words, they're shortening the
Speaker 1: distance between the thought of what they want and the
Speaker 1: experience of having it when they do it properly. Right, So,
Speaker 1: get enough people together in an immersive experience in someone
Speaker 1: has that change or that breakthrough, you start seeing, like
Speaker 1: five people step out of a wheelchair and one event,
Speaker 1: two people blind, two people game to event blind, seeing
Speaker 1: at the end, seeing at the end of seven days.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So the evidence and testimony is that formative moment,
Speaker 1: and people do the best with what they think is available.
Speaker 1: So if you don't know, or if you're not conscious
Speaker 1: of that possibility, you'll make the same choice, yes, And
Speaker 1: so when people become conscious of it now, they can
Speaker 1: begin to make a different choice. And I think, for
Speaker 1: as many crazy things that are going on in the world,
Speaker 1: and that's a whole other conversation, there's a lot of amazing,
Speaker 1: great for unbelievable things happening as well, like really amazing things,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, we just got to hold on absolutely.
Speaker 2: Joe, thank you so much for coming back onto on purpose,
Speaker 2: sharing your incredible research experiences. And this is going to
Speaker 2: be one of those ones that I'm going to probably
Speaker 2: listen to again with my eyes closed, because I think
Speaker 2: there were so many powerful parts that, especially around when
Speaker 2: we're trying to rewire our thoughts, when we're trying to,
Speaker 2: as you were saying, to feel and experience something before
Speaker 2: it happens. I think if we can really just take
Speaker 2: all of that in, and if we can start to
Speaker 2: construct our community around us, to build a collective consciousness
Speaker 2: that pushes us all forward, helps us change, I think
Speaker 2: we'll be onto something. So thank you so much. You're
Speaker 2: welcome your time, your energy, your presence.
Speaker 1: And make it an experiment. Yes, make an experiment. Don't
Speaker 1: make it have to make it a want to like Okay,
Speaker 1: let me just see if I change my energy, life change,
Speaker 1: If I change something about me a belief, a behavior,
Speaker 1: and emotion, should the should something in my life some
Speaker 1: event begin to change? That's when it becomes exciting, right,
Speaker 1: and now it's a it's an experiment.
Speaker 2: Well, so the source is out right. Now you can
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Speaker 2: Joe Despenser and Joe excited for so much more. Congratulations
Speaker 2: and all the retreats and workshops, and again, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining me on Purpose.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jane, I always appreciate it. Thank you, thank you.
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