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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kristen. Hi'm Molly, So Molly. Whenever we talk about

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Speaker 1: certain girly topics like panty hose and high heels and lipstick,

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you accumulate all of the details

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Speaker 1: that I that I tossed out about, you know, not

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Speaker 1: liking pantyhose and do you like tightsounds different, abstaining from lipstick, uh,

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Speaker 1: preferring flats over heels. And now we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: nail salons, and I will now share that I really

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Speaker 1: don't like to have my fingernails fanded. I'd probably sound

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Speaker 1: like quite a a dowdy dowdy Debbie just making that up. No,

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Speaker 1: it was cute. Please, Jane. This is actually one of

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Speaker 1: the beauty things that we're ever going to talk about

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Speaker 1: that I have some experience with, because I really do

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Speaker 1: like going to the slogging a manicure, getting a petcure.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it that often. I do like pedicures. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine. With having my toenails panting. But

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Speaker 1: for some reason, whenever someone paints or I paint my fingernails,

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Speaker 1: it makes my hands look weird. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I do remember one time my brother just got married

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Speaker 1: and so I had a manicure for the wedding and

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Speaker 1: then like um, like the day after something, I had

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Speaker 1: a job interview and I normally don't have my fingernails

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Speaker 1: pant it. Normally, I'm just a toenail girl. Remember when

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, talking in this interview and gesturing,

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Speaker 1: I kept looking at my hands and being like, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna think I'm some different person than the person. I am. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fingernail girl. I'm not a nail painter.

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Speaker 1: But then when you take off my socks, I'm like

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Speaker 1: a whole different person. Look at a feet. I do

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Speaker 1: like a good pedicure. I just like watching the people

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Speaker 1: paint your tonails because they do it so fast. I

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Speaker 1: like it when they scrape off all the hard and

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Speaker 1: dead skin on my heels. Oh yeah. They always judge

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Speaker 1: me for how much hard and dead skot and I have.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad for putting someone through that. But we're

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Speaker 1: getting off topic. We are getting off topic, but one thing, Molly,

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Speaker 1: that we might need to be careful of when they

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Speaker 1: are scraping dead skin off of our feet. Uh death. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did not realize until we started doing research that

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Speaker 1: salons are dangerous places and nail lucky nail salons. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to hair salons later. Surely it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: dangerous hidden there. Um, but every time you walk out

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Speaker 1: of salon, you're lucky to be alive, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't want to name names. Yeah, so let's let's

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Speaker 1: get right down to brass tags, Molly. Our nail salons

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Speaker 1: killing us all us all? Now that's the key word,

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Speaker 1: because I think what we're gonna find out is that

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Speaker 1: no if, there's no need to really worry. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: just start with the basis unless you want to fearmonger.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to fear monger? Kristen, Absolutely all the time.

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Speaker 1: So let's take this step by step, Molly, the best

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Speaker 1: way to take it. Yes, let's say you or I

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Speaker 1: or both of us together decide to just go for

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Speaker 1: a girl's day out and get our nails. Did the

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Speaker 1: chance of that happening seems so unlikely, Okay, but we do.

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Speaker 1: First off, what we should do is we should probably

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Speaker 1: want to make sure you get to a good one, right,

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Speaker 1: and by good we mean licensed. Right if you don't

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Speaker 1: you just don't have any friends. Yeah, I don't want

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Speaker 1: We go in, we pick out our color. What color

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Speaker 1: Let's get fake nails out of the way, all right, Molly.

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Speaker 1: while they really aren't all that dangerous, are nevertheless highly flammable.

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Speaker 1: So ladies keep this in my end. Guys, to keep

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Speaker 1: fungus and bacteria. That's what I call a double whammy.

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Speaker 1: In addition, if your immune system is compromised for some reason,

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Speaker 1: is when we shall pick our color. What color are

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Speaker 1: very mysterious. Okay, Now what shape are you gonna get

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Speaker 1: And it's not just because you fell asleep first at

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Speaker 1: by human papaloma virus. Yeah, and nail fungus. But basically

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