1 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:27,090 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Imagine the seed a large ballroom. Twelve hundred people 2 00:00:27,090 --> 00:00:31,170 Speaker 1: are seated around tables, enjoying the finest dining that nineteen 3 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:35,170 Speaker 1: seventy seven has to offer, which admittedly isn't saying much. 4 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:39,010 Speaker 1: But everyone's having a wonderful evening at the Beverly Hills 5 00:00:39,050 --> 00:00:44,210 Speaker 1: supper Club, which, naturally given the name, is just outside Cincinnati. 6 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:48,530 Speaker 1: There's a comedy duo on stage and the headline performer 7 00:00:48,730 --> 00:00:53,410 Speaker 1: is expected very soon. The singer and TV personality John Davidson, 8 00:00:53,690 --> 00:00:58,090 Speaker 1: a big star at the time. But what the audience 9 00:00:58,130 --> 00:01:00,850 Speaker 1: here doesn't know is that on the other side of 10 00:01:00,850 --> 00:01:05,690 Speaker 1: this scrawling complex of function rooms, something's gone wrong. A 11 00:01:05,850 --> 00:01:09,450 Speaker 1: fire has broken out and it's spreading fast. The fire 12 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:12,410 Speaker 1: department has already been called, and the fire is still 13 00:01:12,490 --> 00:01:16,170 Speaker 1: some distance away from the crowded cabaret room. But the 14 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:19,450 Speaker 1: more it spreads, the more fuel it finds, the hotter 15 00:01:19,530 --> 00:01:23,610 Speaker 1: it gets, and the faster it moves. Safety standards at 16 00:01:23,610 --> 00:01:26,490 Speaker 1: the supper club aren't what they should be. There isn't 17 00:01:26,490 --> 00:01:30,450 Speaker 1: a fire alarm, there isn't a sprinkler system, and there 18 00:01:30,490 --> 00:01:34,490 Speaker 1: isn't a lot of time. And nobody in that room 19 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:40,210 Speaker 1: knows that the fire is on its way. One remarkable 20 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:44,610 Speaker 1: young man, Walter Bailey, did his best. Bailey was barely 21 00:01:44,650 --> 00:01:47,250 Speaker 1: more than a boy. He was eighteen years old and 22 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:50,770 Speaker 1: he worked as an assistant waiter. Bailey had seen the fire, 23 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:53,610 Speaker 1: and he realized that although it was a long way 24 00:01:53,650 --> 00:01:57,290 Speaker 1: from the cabaret room, somebody needed to tell all those 25 00:01:57,330 --> 00:02:02,010 Speaker 1: people to start evacuating. Walter Bailey found the supervisor in 26 00:02:02,050 --> 00:02:05,050 Speaker 1: the cabaret room, explained about the fire, and asked him 27 00:02:05,090 --> 00:02:10,130 Speaker 1: to clear the room. The supervisor looked confused. Bailey told 28 00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:14,410 Speaker 1: him again. The supervisor turned and walked off to clear 29 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:18,330 Speaker 1: the room, thought Bailey, who found seventy people lining up 30 00:02:18,530 --> 00:02:21,690 Speaker 1: to get into the cabaret room. Bailey led them instead 31 00:02:21,690 --> 00:02:27,050 Speaker 1: to safety. When he returned, he found that nobody inside 32 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:33,250 Speaker 1: the cabaret room had moved. I'm Tim Harford, and you're 33 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:59,410 Speaker 1: listening to cautionary tales. This cautionary tale is going to 34 00:02:59,410 --> 00:03:02,450 Speaker 1: be a little different. I hope that's okay. The world 35 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:04,970 Speaker 1: seems different these days, so I've been writing some new 36 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:07,650 Speaker 1: stories for you to suit the times we're in. There'll 37 00:03:07,650 --> 00:03:11,490 Speaker 1: be a little shorter, simpler, and perhaps a little more 38 00:03:11,530 --> 00:03:15,450 Speaker 1: focused on the challenges we face right now and This 39 00:03:15,490 --> 00:03:18,410 Speaker 1: episode is different in another way too, because in a 40 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:21,650 Speaker 1: small way, it's about me, about what I got wrong, 41 00:03:22,050 --> 00:03:25,450 Speaker 1: and I hope about what you can learn from my mistakes. 42 00:03:26,450 --> 00:03:28,650 Speaker 1: We'll come back to my mistakes and to the fire 43 00:03:28,730 --> 00:03:32,090 Speaker 1: in the Beverly Hills Supper Club. But first I wanted 44 00:03:32,130 --> 00:03:37,290 Speaker 1: to ask you a question. Do you remember Captain Pastrengo Rugiati. 45 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:43,530 Speaker 1: You must Cautionary Tales, Season one, Episode one. It was 46 00:03:43,570 --> 00:03:46,410 Speaker 1: about an oil tanker the size of the Chrysler building 47 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:50,650 Speaker 1: a ship with a name Torrey Canyon. That ship was 48 00:03:50,690 --> 00:03:53,210 Speaker 1: headed for a sunken mass of rocks with a vicious 49 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:58,330 Speaker 1: reputation called the Seven Stones, and Captain Pastrengo Rugiati, Poor 50 00:03:58,370 --> 00:04:04,410 Speaker 1: Pastrengo Rugiati, steered his ship closer and closer and closer 51 00:04:05,290 --> 00:04:13,650 Speaker 1: to disaster. You can go and listen again if you like, 52 00:04:14,650 --> 00:04:20,690 Speaker 1: I'll wait. The mystery of Torry Canyon, you may remember, 53 00:04:21,290 --> 00:04:24,570 Speaker 1: is that while Captain Rugiatti was steering his ship towards 54 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:28,370 Speaker 1: the rocks, the weather was good, the visibility was good, 55 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:32,410 Speaker 1: Torry Canyon had radar, and the Seven Stones were clearly 56 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:35,810 Speaker 1: marked both on all the charts and by a lighthouse 57 00:04:35,890 --> 00:04:39,970 Speaker 1: vessel warning ships to keep away. There was still time 58 00:04:39,970 --> 00:04:42,770 Speaker 1: to change course, just as there was still time to 59 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:48,850 Speaker 1: evacuate the cabaret room. And yet Torry Canyon did not turn, 60 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:53,010 Speaker 1: just as the people in the supper club cabaret room 61 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:58,650 Speaker 1: did not move. Captain Rujhatti was a man in a hurry. 62 00:04:59,010 --> 00:05:00,970 Speaker 1: He had made a plan to head straight for a 63 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:04,650 Speaker 1: harbor one hundred and fifty miles beyond those rocks. But 64 00:05:04,810 --> 00:05:08,290 Speaker 1: his original course was charted safely through deep open water. 65 00:05:09,610 --> 00:05:14,290 Speaker 1: At least was the plan. But now new information is 66 00:05:14,330 --> 00:05:17,450 Speaker 1: coming in. The ship has drifted off the expected course 67 00:05:17,490 --> 00:05:20,810 Speaker 1: over night, closer to shore. He's now heading for a 68 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:24,770 Speaker 1: tight squeeze past the seven Stones. Fishing boats have appeared 69 00:05:24,930 --> 00:05:28,250 Speaker 1: blocking his way. The current is pushing him towards the rocks. 70 00:05:29,050 --> 00:05:32,770 Speaker 1: His plan is getting riskier and riskier. But at no 71 00:05:32,930 --> 00:05:39,810 Speaker 1: point does he stop reflect and rethink everything. Instead, with 72 00:05:40,050 --> 00:05:43,690 Speaker 1: each new piece of bad news, he furrows his brow 73 00:05:44,290 --> 00:05:51,130 Speaker 1: and rededicates himself to his original plan. So here's my confession. 74 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:56,170 Speaker 1: In the face of the growing coronavirus epidemic, I behaved 75 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:59,690 Speaker 1: in exactly the same way. It took me far too 76 00:05:59,770 --> 00:06:02,250 Speaker 1: long to really think about the information that was coming 77 00:06:02,290 --> 00:06:05,570 Speaker 1: my way. It took me even longer to take action. 78 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:23,010 Speaker 1: I too, and Captain Rugiati, in our very first cautionary tale, 79 00:06:23,210 --> 00:06:27,410 Speaker 1: I discussed one reason why we don't change course. Psychologists 80 00:06:27,530 --> 00:06:31,490 Speaker 1: call it plan continuation. By us, we focus on a 81 00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:34,770 Speaker 1: particular goal. When bad news comes in that should make 82 00:06:34,850 --> 00:06:39,290 Speaker 1: us rethink, our tunnel vision only narrows. The bad news 83 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:42,650 Speaker 1: makes us redouble our focus on the initial plan now 84 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:46,050 Speaker 1: that we know it's going to be difficult. Rugiati was 85 00:06:46,130 --> 00:06:49,610 Speaker 1: racing against the clock, and with each setback the tunnel 86 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:53,490 Speaker 1: vision must have closed. In further, he also made his 87 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:57,330 Speaker 1: fateful decisions by himself. He was a captain who didn't 88 00:06:57,330 --> 00:07:00,130 Speaker 1: inform his crew of the details of his plans and 89 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:04,970 Speaker 1: didn't seek their comments. As he acknowledged, I must answer 90 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:10,130 Speaker 1: for everything for everyone. I must carry the cross alone. 91 00:07:11,210 --> 00:07:14,450 Speaker 1: If only Rugiati had been open to criticism and had 92 00:07:14,490 --> 00:07:17,370 Speaker 1: sought the views of his officers, they might have helped 93 00:07:17,410 --> 00:07:20,450 Speaker 1: him to regain his grasp of the risks and rethink 94 00:07:20,530 --> 00:07:25,210 Speaker 1: his plans. But having other people to guide you doesn't 95 00:07:25,250 --> 00:07:28,890 Speaker 1: always help if they're in the same situation as you were. 96 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:31,890 Speaker 1: The same assumptions that they can lull you into thinking 97 00:07:31,930 --> 00:07:34,890 Speaker 1: that none of you have a problem, when in fact, 98 00:07:35,410 --> 00:07:40,970 Speaker 1: all of you have a problem. There's a famous psychological 99 00:07:41,050 --> 00:07:44,450 Speaker 1: study conducted in the nineteen sixties by bib Latane and 100 00:07:44,610 --> 00:07:48,650 Speaker 1: John Darley. The scientists asked their subjects to sit quietly 101 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:52,210 Speaker 1: and fill out a questionnaire. Sometimes the subject would be 102 00:07:52,250 --> 00:07:56,890 Speaker 1: alone and sometimes in a group of three. Gradually, the 103 00:07:56,970 --> 00:08:02,530 Speaker 1: researchers pumped smoke into the room. When the subject was 104 00:08:02,570 --> 00:08:05,330 Speaker 1: sitting alone, he or she tended to note the smoke 105 00:08:05,370 --> 00:08:08,810 Speaker 1: and calmly leave to report it. When the subjects were 106 00:08:08,810 --> 00:08:12,250 Speaker 1: in a three, who were much less likely to react, 107 00:08:12,290 --> 00:08:17,050 Speaker 1: each person remained passive, reassured by the passivity of the others. 108 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:23,530 Speaker 1: Based on what we now know about the Beverly Hills 109 00:08:23,530 --> 00:08:29,290 Speaker 1: supper club in nineteen seventy seven, that experiment seems darkly prophetic. 110 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:33,570 Speaker 1: That incident is vividly described by Amanda Ripley in her 111 00:08:33,610 --> 00:08:38,450 Speaker 1: book The Unthinkable. Remember Where We left off? Twelve hundred 112 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:41,170 Speaker 1: people were in the cabaret room, listening to the warm 113 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:44,770 Speaker 1: up act crack jokes on stage. A fire was racing 114 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:48,730 Speaker 1: towards them. Young Walter Bailey's supervisor had shrugged and ignored 115 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:52,850 Speaker 1: the problem. Like Pastrengo Rugiati, the supervisor had a plan 116 00:08:53,330 --> 00:08:56,210 Speaker 1: and didn't seem able to fully appreciate that the plan 117 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:59,810 Speaker 1: would have to change. So Walter Bailey did something big, 118 00:09:00,050 --> 00:09:03,810 Speaker 1: something he assumed would cost him his job. But someone 119 00:09:03,850 --> 00:09:06,490 Speaker 1: had to act. He decided that it was going to 120 00:09:06,530 --> 00:09:10,050 Speaker 1: be him. Although he was just a teenager, and although 121 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:13,570 Speaker 1: he suffered from stage fright, Bailey strode down the middle 122 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:17,330 Speaker 1: of the room, climbed up on stage, grabbed a microphone. 123 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:20,370 Speaker 1: I want everyone to look to my right, there's an 124 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:22,730 Speaker 1: exit to the right corner of the room. And looked 125 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:25,010 Speaker 1: to my left, there's an exit on the left. And 126 00:09:25,090 --> 00:09:27,690 Speaker 1: now look to the back. There's an exit at the back. 127 00:09:28,010 --> 00:09:31,210 Speaker 1: I want everyone to leave the room calmly. There is 128 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:35,450 Speaker 1: a fire at the front of the building. And then 129 00:09:35,730 --> 00:09:40,410 Speaker 1: Walter Bailey left the stage. I wish I could tell 130 00:09:40,450 --> 00:09:43,570 Speaker 1: you that one thousand, two hundred people rose to their 131 00:09:43,570 --> 00:09:47,010 Speaker 1: feet and filed out of the room. But they didn't. 132 00:09:48,210 --> 00:09:50,970 Speaker 1: Who was this kid? They thought, was he part of 133 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:54,770 Speaker 1: the act? Was the fire for real? Was it a problem? 134 00:09:54,930 --> 00:09:57,450 Speaker 1: People thought of the expense of their ticket, of how 135 00:09:57,530 --> 00:10:00,730 Speaker 1: much they were enjoying the food, they were looking forward 136 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:04,370 Speaker 1: to hearing John Davidson sing. They didn't want to rush 137 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:08,170 Speaker 1: out if they didn't have to. So did they have to? 138 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:12,570 Speaker 1: It wasn't clear. Think about the last time you were 139 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,330 Speaker 1: sitting around in a building and a fire alarm went off. 140 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:17,930 Speaker 1: Did you spring to your feet and seek the nearest 141 00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:22,130 Speaker 1: fire exit? And oh I didn't. I looked around to 142 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:25,370 Speaker 1: see what others were doing. The same thing happened in 143 00:10:25,410 --> 00:10:28,370 Speaker 1: the Beverly Hill supper Club. People did what people do. 144 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:31,890 Speaker 1: They looked to the left and to the right, as 145 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:34,610 Speaker 1: Walter Bailey had told them to, but they weren't looking 146 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:37,330 Speaker 1: for the exits. They were looking at what the people 147 00:10:37,410 --> 00:10:40,690 Speaker 1: next to them were doing. Was Susan to my left moving? 148 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:45,330 Speaker 1: What about Fred to my right? With everyone taking cues 149 00:10:45,370 --> 00:10:49,570 Speaker 1: from everyone else, the group was slow to respond, and 150 00:10:49,650 --> 00:11:01,690 Speaker 1: they really didn't have a minute to spare. Because I'm 151 00:11:01,730 --> 00:11:05,210 Speaker 1: a journalist and frankly a nerd, I should have been 152 00:11:05,410 --> 00:11:09,370 Speaker 1: way ahead of the curve on coronavirus. Think to the 153 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:12,610 Speaker 1: thirteenth of February twenty twenty. I know it feels a 154 00:11:12,650 --> 00:11:16,730 Speaker 1: long time ago. Only three people outside of China had 155 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:19,170 Speaker 1: died from the new virus, at least as far as 156 00:11:19,210 --> 00:11:22,370 Speaker 1: anyone knew at the time. Nobody in the US was 157 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:24,770 Speaker 1: thought to have died of it, nor had anyone in 158 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:28,130 Speaker 1: my own country, the UK. The virus felt a very 159 00:11:28,210 --> 00:11:34,010 Speaker 1: distant threat, but it wasn't. More than a thousand people 160 00:11:34,050 --> 00:11:37,330 Speaker 1: had died in China, and that number was rising rapidly. 161 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:43,130 Speaker 1: Twenty five countries had confirmed cases. Well respected epidemiologists had 162 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:46,330 Speaker 1: already concluded that there was little chance of stamping out 163 00:11:46,410 --> 00:11:50,530 Speaker 1: these other cases quickly. The novel coronavirus was too contagious, 164 00:11:51,370 --> 00:11:54,170 Speaker 1: like the fire in the supper club. It was spreading 165 00:11:54,210 --> 00:12:00,970 Speaker 1: everywhere and rapidly gathering speed. And I know this because 166 00:12:01,050 --> 00:12:05,930 Speaker 1: I interviewed one of those well respected epidemiologists. On February 167 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:10,570 Speaker 1: the thirteenth, Doctor Natalie McDermott of King College, London walked 168 00:12:10,610 --> 00:12:13,090 Speaker 1: into a studio at the BBC and told me the 169 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:17,570 Speaker 1: latest thinking on the new coronavirus. The early data had 170 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:20,530 Speaker 1: suggested that the virus killed more than one in ten 171 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:24,690 Speaker 1: of the people it infected. Doctor McDermott reassured me that no, 172 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:28,330 Speaker 1: it probably wasn't quite that dangerous. The best guess at 173 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:30,890 Speaker 1: the fatality rate was more like one in a hundred, 174 00:12:31,490 --> 00:12:34,450 Speaker 1: maybe as low as one in two hundred. Nobody knew 175 00:12:34,490 --> 00:12:38,130 Speaker 1: for sure. Should I just assume that everyone on the 176 00:12:38,170 --> 00:12:41,090 Speaker 1: planet would get it, I asked, no. She said that 177 00:12:41,210 --> 00:12:45,650 Speaker 1: was too fatalistic, but if we couldn't contain it, it 178 00:12:45,730 --> 00:12:48,930 Speaker 1: was certainly infectious enough to infect a majority of the 179 00:12:48,930 --> 00:12:55,130 Speaker 1: planet's population. I nodded. I believed her. I even did 180 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:59,690 Speaker 1: the mental arithmetic. There might be five billion cases, and 181 00:12:59,930 --> 00:13:02,090 Speaker 1: with a one in a hundred death rate, that would 182 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:05,730 Speaker 1: be fifty million people around the world dying over the 183 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:09,330 Speaker 1: course of a few months. In the United States would 184 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:12,970 Speaker 1: be two million deaths. What did I do with the 185 00:13:13,130 --> 00:13:17,370 Speaker 1: doctor's information. I did what Pastrengo Rosality dear does. His 186 00:13:17,490 --> 00:13:22,010 Speaker 1: ship plowed on towards the rocks. I anxiously furrowed my brow, 187 00:13:22,770 --> 00:13:30,810 Speaker 1: and I kept on going, hoping the worst wouldn't happen. Now, 188 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:34,850 Speaker 1: I don't want to exaggerate my failings. I didn't crash 189 00:13:34,890 --> 00:13:39,370 Speaker 1: any oil tankers. Nobody died because of my mistakes. But 190 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:42,290 Speaker 1: I could have done better easily. I could have held 191 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:45,010 Speaker 1: off on booking my summer vacation. I could have made 192 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:48,010 Speaker 1: sure I caught up with my elderly father and stepmother, 193 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:51,010 Speaker 1: who were in high risk groups. I could have sold 194 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:53,090 Speaker 1: all my shares, or at least most of them, and 195 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:55,370 Speaker 1: waited for a couple of months to see whether doctor 196 00:13:55,450 --> 00:14:00,850 Speaker 1: McDermott's grim scenario was starting to become a reality. Instead, 197 00:14:01,170 --> 00:14:04,250 Speaker 1: I took some money out of savings to pay down 198 00:14:04,290 --> 00:14:07,410 Speaker 1: some of my mortgage because I had gigs firmly in 199 00:14:07,450 --> 00:14:09,890 Speaker 1: the diary that would top the savings back up again. 200 00:14:10,610 --> 00:14:14,170 Speaker 1: Those gigs were canceled, of course, which means I drained 201 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:18,290 Speaker 1: my savings at the worst possible moment. If for goodness sake, 202 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:20,570 Speaker 1: I could at least have bought some extra toilet paper. 203 00:14:21,250 --> 00:14:24,970 Speaker 1: But none of this went through my mind. It wasn't 204 00:14:25,010 --> 00:14:28,250 Speaker 1: that I wasn't anxious. I was anxious, just like Pastrengo 205 00:14:28,330 --> 00:14:32,010 Speaker 1: RAGIATI was anxious. I was aware there was a problem, 206 00:14:32,050 --> 00:14:36,090 Speaker 1: and yet I didn't step back, think things through and 207 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:40,090 Speaker 1: turn my anxiety into action. And perhaps you may recognize 208 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:45,970 Speaker 1: yourself in that description too. Remember the experiment by psychologists 209 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:51,090 Speaker 1: Biblatane and John Dari. They slowly pumped smoke into rooms 210 00:14:51,130 --> 00:14:56,610 Speaker 1: containing people filling in questionnaires. Solitary subject didn't hesitate to 211 00:14:56,690 --> 00:15:00,290 Speaker 1: leave and report the smoke, but groups of people stayed 212 00:15:00,530 --> 00:15:05,930 Speaker 1: and stayed as the smoke thickened, reassured by each other's passivity. 213 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:14,010 Speaker 1: Those experimental subjects had done nothing. Now a decade later, 214 00:15:14,650 --> 00:15:17,570 Speaker 1: the customers of the Beverly Hill Supper Club were re 215 00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:21,930 Speaker 1: enacting that experiment in the most terrible way. Some people 216 00:15:22,010 --> 00:15:27,170 Speaker 1: moved in reaction to young Walter Bailey's warning he saved them, 217 00:15:27,210 --> 00:15:30,810 Speaker 1: but many people were too slow to react, lulled into 218 00:15:30,850 --> 00:15:34,090 Speaker 1: complacency by the fact that others were also too slow. 219 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:38,690 Speaker 1: Four minutes later, the power failed and the lights went 220 00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:42,850 Speaker 1: out in the ballroom. Toxic smoke rolled in, and anyone 221 00:15:42,930 --> 00:15:45,850 Speaker 1: still in that room faced a dreadful challenge in getting 222 00:15:45,850 --> 00:15:50,410 Speaker 1: out alive. Walter Bailey repeatedly held his breath and headed 223 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:53,210 Speaker 1: back in to drag out as many people as he could. 224 00:15:54,290 --> 00:15:58,050 Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty seven people died that night. If 225 00:15:58,050 --> 00:16:00,530 Speaker 1: it hadn't been for Walter Bailey, the death toll might 226 00:16:00,570 --> 00:16:05,690 Speaker 1: have been many hundreds more. Bailey also survived. He's a 227 00:16:05,730 --> 00:16:17,530 Speaker 1: true hero. I'd like to think that if disaster struck, 228 00:16:17,850 --> 00:16:20,210 Speaker 1: I'd have the courage and the presence of mind of 229 00:16:20,210 --> 00:16:24,010 Speaker 1: Walter Bailey, But I fear I'm more like those poor, 230 00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:28,450 Speaker 1: unsuspecting supper club patrons, enjoying their food and looking forward 231 00:16:28,490 --> 00:16:32,450 Speaker 1: to the music, then wondering what to do and taking 232 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:36,970 Speaker 1: cues from everyone else. We're social animals, were humans, we 233 00:16:37,090 --> 00:16:39,810 Speaker 1: know instinctively that it's normally safer to stay with the 234 00:16:39,850 --> 00:16:43,610 Speaker 1: group than to do what the group does, but not always. 235 00:16:44,690 --> 00:16:48,650 Speaker 1: I hesitated too, And then when I started reacting in 236 00:16:48,650 --> 00:16:51,490 Speaker 1: earnest to the pandemic, I found that the stock market 237 00:16:51,570 --> 00:16:54,530 Speaker 1: was already plunging, the pasta and toilet paper was already 238 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:57,050 Speaker 1: sold out, and there was no hope of getting masks. 239 00:16:58,410 --> 00:17:01,650 Speaker 1: Our governments found themselves in the same situation for much 240 00:17:01,690 --> 00:17:05,450 Speaker 1: the same reason. This series. I'll have more to say 241 00:17:05,450 --> 00:17:08,010 Speaker 1: about what our leaders have done and failed to do, 242 00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:12,010 Speaker 1: but for now, let's simply note that many Western democracies 243 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:16,730 Speaker 1: found themselves in the same crazy scramble for ventilators, for 244 00:17:16,770 --> 00:17:21,530 Speaker 1: swab testing kids, for masks, and for gowns. If everyone 245 00:17:21,610 --> 00:17:24,450 Speaker 1: had started taking action in January, while a risk of 246 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:27,490 Speaker 1: a pandemic was still just a risk, we'd all be 247 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:31,010 Speaker 1: in better shape now. But just as in the supper Club, 248 00:17:31,570 --> 00:17:35,090 Speaker 1: before they acted, everyone wanted to be a little more 249 00:17:35,170 --> 00:17:39,690 Speaker 1: certain that there really was a problem. Amy Edmondson, a 250 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:43,410 Speaker 1: professor at Harvard Business School, calls this sort of problem 251 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:48,890 Speaker 1: an ambiguous threat. The warning signs aren't completely straightforward, and 252 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:53,170 Speaker 1: the potential for harm is unclear as well. Ambiguous threats 253 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:57,330 Speaker 1: might be serious or they might not. As Professor Edmondson 254 00:17:57,410 --> 00:18:01,410 Speaker 1: points out, that ambiguity is exactly what makes these types 255 00:18:01,450 --> 00:18:05,690 Speaker 1: of threats so dangerous. Because we're not sure that they're serious, 256 00:18:06,130 --> 00:18:10,010 Speaker 1: we easily find excuses not to take them as lee. 257 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:15,130 Speaker 1: While leading epidemiologists were warning that the virus might well 258 00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:18,570 Speaker 1: become a pandemic, it wasn't obvious that they were right. 259 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:21,570 Speaker 1: It wasn't obvious that it would spread so quickly. It 260 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:24,530 Speaker 1: wasn't obvious that it would lead to the complete shutdown 261 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:28,650 Speaker 1: of major economies around the world. But then, for Captain 262 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:32,810 Speaker 1: Pastrengo Rugiati, it wasn't obvious that fishing boats would appear 263 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:35,410 Speaker 1: to block his way. It wasn't obvious that one of 264 00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:38,890 Speaker 1: his officers would make a navigational error. It wasn't obvious 265 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:42,290 Speaker 1: that his ship's maneuvering would be delayed by confusion about 266 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:45,610 Speaker 1: whether the ship was on autopilot or not. I didn't 267 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:48,810 Speaker 1: expect Rugiati to predict all these things, just as I 268 00:18:48,850 --> 00:18:52,250 Speaker 1: don't blame myself for failing to forecast every detail of 269 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:55,770 Speaker 1: the pandemic But what he should have done was realized 270 00:18:55,810 --> 00:19:00,370 Speaker 1: the risks and take action to reduce those risks. And 271 00:19:00,490 --> 00:19:03,650 Speaker 1: so should I. I should have thought through the implications. 272 00:19:03,930 --> 00:19:06,610 Speaker 1: What might it mean if a pandemic threatened to kill 273 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:10,690 Speaker 1: two million Europeans and another two million Americans? How might 274 00:19:10,730 --> 00:19:14,170 Speaker 1: we all respond? And while I might not have realized 275 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:17,450 Speaker 1: on February thirteenth that almost half the world was heading 276 00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:20,530 Speaker 1: into lockdown, it was surely a possibility that I should 277 00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:26,250 Speaker 1: have considered much sooner than I did. But no, faced 278 00:19:26,370 --> 00:19:30,650 Speaker 1: with the unthinkable, it's hard to think it. That was 279 00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:36,810 Speaker 1: never in my mind, Never said Pastrengo Rugiati. There were 280 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:39,130 Speaker 1: a lot of things that were never in my mind either. 281 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:42,970 Speaker 1: Perhaps they should have been. I hope that I remember 282 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:48,530 Speaker 1: my own limitations in future. An chiosan no il capitano Rugiati, 283 00:19:49,410 --> 00:20:10,010 Speaker 1: I too, I'm Captain Rugiati. Three books that helped us 284 00:20:10,010 --> 00:20:14,050 Speaker 1: research this episode are The Unthinkable by Amanda Ripley, The 285 00:20:14,170 --> 00:20:18,850 Speaker 1: Ostrich Paradox by Howard Kunrouther and Robert Meyer, and Meltdown 286 00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:23,130 Speaker 1: by Chris Clearfield and Andrews Tiltic. As always, a full 287 00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:25,850 Speaker 1: list of our sources is in the show notes on 288 00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:31,970 Speaker 1: Tim Harford dot Com. Cautionary Tales is written and presented 289 00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:35,450 Speaker 1: by me Tim Harford with help from Andrew Wright. The 290 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:39,010 Speaker 1: show was produced by Ryan Dilley with support from Pete Norton. 291 00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:43,490 Speaker 1: The music, mixing and mastering are the work of Pascal Wise. 292 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:47,410 Speaker 1: The scripts were edited by Julia Barton. Special thanks to 293 00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:53,090 Speaker 1: Mail LaBelle, Carlie Mallori, Heather Fame, Maya Kanig, Jacob Weisberg, 294 00:20:53,410 --> 00:20:58,450 Speaker 1: and Malcolm Gladwell. Cautionary Tales is a Pushkin Industry's production