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Speaker 2: And you know you notice certain things when you're gone
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Speaker 3: there are they're not football players on a football fields
Speaker 3: just yet, but twelve ten, there will be football players
Speaker 3: on a football field. And Mike McCarthy just had his
Speaker 3: press conference and everyone is awaiting the word on the
Speaker 3: roll Bolt tight end and will he play on Sunday
Speaker 3: against these New Orleans Saints. So breaking news here on
Speaker 3: Mixed Shots on Mickey Spagnola, what the coach says.
Speaker 4: He's on the return to play rehab group, which means
Speaker 4: that they'll see how it goes, and that he feels good.
Speaker 4: And I would like to know the percentage between sprained
Speaker 4: MCL and bone bruce, because I'm thinking you can maybe
Speaker 4: play through the bone bruise, but if your MCL is sprained,
Speaker 4: that's a tough one to say. Okay, I'm gonna cowboy
Speaker 4: up and play because it hurts your lateral movement. So
Speaker 4: we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: He could possibly block, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I would imagine the idea is going to be
Speaker 4: try to get him to Sunday. Don't ask him to
Speaker 4: do a heck of a lot even if he could practice.
Speaker 4: We'll see what he does today and tomorrow and then
Speaker 4: kind of judge where it goes. But if not, you know,
Speaker 4: Luke Scooonmaker, get ready Ford?
Speaker 3: Is it spawned Ford or span For?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's got span Ford? Yeah, Revan's his first name. We've
Speaker 3: got that, got that right? Let me I'm looking in
Speaker 3: the media guy. For some reason, people are saying spawn
Speaker 3: Ford and it never occurred to me, say spawned for.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, and then you also have another title
Speaker 3: then who has been injured?
Speaker 4: And Jenny John Stevens. John Stevens a hamstring didn't play
Speaker 4: last week because.
Speaker 3: Of that and coming off in a c L and we'll.
Speaker 4: See where he's at. But there probably the only elevated
Speaker 4: one player last week.
Speaker 3: We left out one player.
Speaker 4: And on tight end, well, Hunter Lepke, if that's.
Speaker 3: On her Lipke, on her lipke? Who got how many
Speaker 3: snaps did Hunter Lipke? Get? Let me look big green notebooks.
Speaker 3: He got twenty five snaps or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And Brian Schottenheimer was singing his praises twenty snaps and
Speaker 3: twenty five on special teams.
Speaker 2: Did he get any the tight end?
Speaker 4: Well, you know he's full back, but he could play
Speaker 4: h back.
Speaker 3: Now there was Schottenheimer did say when he talked with
Speaker 3: the media on Monday, and this is just an example
Speaker 3: of the versatil. He loves Hunter Lipke and he thinks
Speaker 3: I got a steal with Lipkey. And there was one
Speaker 3: play in particular in the game against Cleveland where he,
Speaker 3: because of the injury to Ferguson, got inserted into the
Speaker 3: game and he was supposed to do something that they
Speaker 3: hadn't wrapped all week and he did it perfectly, and
Speaker 3: just it was an example of how coachable he is
Speaker 3: is and just how smart he is. And you know,
Speaker 3: I can see him playing a role if Ferguson can't
Speaker 3: go where they could use him in a role. You know,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the traditional tight end size, the length
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing that you like in a
Speaker 3: tight end, but.
Speaker 2: Run a route and he can.
Speaker 3: End.
Speaker 4: You don't want your third tight end. I mean, you
Speaker 4: need that guy to put his hand on the ground
Speaker 4: to block that's they're not going to put his hand
Speaker 4: on the ground on the line of scrimm.
Speaker 3: You want your second round draft pick to have the
Speaker 3: ability to run routes and something in the past game
Speaker 3: which we haven't seen yet, but now he may get
Speaker 3: the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Luke Schoonmaker and then Spawn four is a pretty good blocker.
Speaker 4: So you need three. If perfer you can't go, they
Speaker 4: probably elevate Princeton Fond.
Speaker 2: You need someone there's another fullback type, right, you need
Speaker 2: someone they can run a route.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need your third tight end to run
Speaker 4: a route.
Speaker 2: You need a route. So whoever that's gonna be, they
Speaker 2: need to run a good route, Scoo Maker. But that
Speaker 2: just one. They're just gonna have one.
Speaker 4: Well, how many tight ends you need?
Speaker 2: You might need two tight ends to run routes.
Speaker 4: Then spawn ford better run a route.
Speaker 2: And I say that only because I don't want to
Speaker 2: send someone in with just limited ability. Well, if a
Speaker 2: guy can run a route, I'd like to see him
Speaker 2: do that. Well's I will open up our playbook.
Speaker 4: That's got to be John Stevens. If he's healthy, that
Speaker 4: would be the good right.
Speaker 3: Okay, here is the from the Brevins spin Ford bio Minnesota. Okay,
Speaker 3: because he would be the guy that has the traditional healthy,
Speaker 3: traditional tight end size. And so what did he do
Speaker 3: at Minnesota in his thirteen seasons at Minnesota? How many
Speaker 3: six seasons? Actually, twenty eighteen through twenty three. Reliable pass
Speaker 3: catcher and a proven run block in his collegiate career,
Speaker 3: recorded ninety five career receptions for one thousand yards and
Speaker 3: seven touchdowns.
Speaker 4: Why do you think this guy wasn't drafted?
Speaker 3: That's a very good question.
Speaker 4: I thought the Green Notebook would.
Speaker 2: We'll have it right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well I'll just go to the Green Notebook
Speaker 3: then and we'll figure it out. Okay, I bet we
Speaker 3: can tell.
Speaker 4: He needs to be the first off the bus, though
Speaker 4: he is a big mess, thank you.
Speaker 3: No, I know We've gone down this road several times before.
Speaker 3: He's listed at sixty six two hundred and sixty five
Speaker 3: pounds in the media. Guy he at the combine six
Speaker 3: six and a half two hundred and sixty pounds with
Speaker 3: thirty three and three eights inch arms, So he's got
Speaker 3: good LinkedIn ten inch hands. You like that ten and
Speaker 3: a quarter inch hands. He ran a four to seven
Speaker 3: to seven eighteen bench reps, thirty one and a half vertical,
Speaker 3: nine to eight broad jump, and and I can't read
Speaker 3: my writing after that.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't see anything that would stop him from
Speaker 2: getting drafted either, what you say.
Speaker 4: Right, unless he had some sort of injury at the time.
Speaker 4: But he All I know is the first time I
Speaker 4: saw him in training camp and I looked at him,
Speaker 4: go ooh, that's a big man, I said, that must
Speaker 4: be that other tight.
Speaker 2: Oh I got something. I got one for you.
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, this is from Dane Brugler's The Beast. Okay,
Speaker 3: he did have twelve starts at Minnesota, twenty five receptions
Speaker 3: for two hundred and thirty nine yards and two touchdowns,
Speaker 3: nine review nine drops John Stevens.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 3: That may that may be a reason which once you
Speaker 3: get into well here's the other thing. At six six
Speaker 3: and a half two hundred and sixty pounds in the
Speaker 3: traditional way that we covered kicks, Yeah, okay, it's a
Speaker 3: little tougher to be a special teams guy at that
Speaker 3: and running a four to seven. You know, you're not
Speaker 3: really a linebacker type whatever. Uh. And so once you
Speaker 3: get into the third day of the draft and you're
Speaker 3: going through what is a bunch of tight ends and anymore,
Speaker 3: it seems like there's a bunch of tight end type.
Speaker 3: He wasn't like that ten.
Speaker 2: Years ago coming out of college football.
Speaker 3: But you've got to have some special teams value too,
Speaker 3: and maybe and so teams so so teams are looking
Speaker 3: at him, going, well, we'll just get him as a
Speaker 3: as a free agent, as a priority free agent rather
Speaker 3: because you don't think he's got game day roster.
Speaker 4: He only had four special team snaps. Yeah, so that
Speaker 4: may answer your question there. Okay, okay, So we've.
Speaker 3: Examined the tight end position all right. And by the way,
Speaker 3: speaking of tight ends, looking at the Saints last night,
Speaker 3: you know they've got Taysom Hill. Yes, who is he's
Speaker 3: a quarterback slash running back slash tight end. Actually are
Speaker 3: ding him up at telback some, but he's he's now
Speaker 3: a tight end.
Speaker 4: And he's listed as a starter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taysom Hill and two tight ends, right, and two
Speaker 3: wide receivers. But you talk about athletic tight ends. And
Speaker 3: Jawan Johnson made a great catch in there, went over
Speaker 3: Carolina the other day kind of on the sideline in
Speaker 3: the end zone. He's an athletic guy. I don't think
Speaker 3: I wrote down what they're vasurables. Actually, Taysom Hill ran
Speaker 3: a four to four coming out of BYU. Of course,
Speaker 3: he was a college quarterback. He was older coming out.
Speaker 3: He's now thirty four years old. He was a twenty
Speaker 3: seven year old rookie. He is thirty four years he's
Speaker 3: thirty four years old now and great sack. Guess whose
Speaker 3: camp he was in. First. He was first signed as
Speaker 3: a free agent by the Green Bay Packers in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: so Mike McCarthy had him in the preseason twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: They waived him trying to get him to the practice squad,
Speaker 3: and the Saints picked him up and he's been in
Speaker 3: New Orleans ain't ever since. But my point on this,
Speaker 3: when you talk about tight ends and special teams, Juwan
Speaker 3: Johnson their other tight end who's a four or five guy, athletic,
Speaker 3: he blocked a punt last week, and Taysom Hills block punts,
Speaker 3: so you would I don't know that I've seen this
Speaker 3: in the NFL where you've got tight ends that are
Speaker 3: on their punt block team. They when they're looking to
Speaker 3: block a punt, they're lining up both their tight ends
Speaker 3: Taysom Hill and Juwan Johnson to come after the punter.
Speaker 3: And they're athletic enough to get there.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't look at Hill as a tight end though. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if he were to come into the offensive scheme, I
Speaker 2: would treat him as more of them.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Well, now, I mean he'd probably be lined if you
Speaker 2: got two of them in the game, He's going to
Speaker 2: be lined up on the line somewhere. He will not
Speaker 2: be caught back and I would pay play him as
Speaker 2: more of a you know, slot running back type of guy.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's the tricky thing for defensive coordinators is Okay,
Speaker 3: he's on the field, So where they going to use him?
Speaker 2: And he got.
Speaker 3: Five carries for thirty five yards against Carolina? Uh, and
Speaker 3: they were they were using They weren't using him as
Speaker 3: a you know, in the past, they've used him as
Speaker 3: a quarterback, and so those carries would be as a
Speaker 3: you know, wildcat type quarterback situation. Now they're actually lining
Speaker 3: him up at tilback and which is new for him.
Speaker 2: As long as long as he got a quarterback in
Speaker 2: the game with him then.
Speaker 3: But you don't know whether he's going to be a running.
Speaker 2: Back or what. It won't be a quarter that's what matters.
Speaker 4: Well, they should line him next to each other and
Speaker 4: you don't know who they're going to snap it to.
Speaker 3: But for for a for a defensive coordinator when they're
Speaker 3: looking at personnel and what how to match the personnel,
Speaker 3: he's got enough position versatility where you're not sure how
Speaker 3: they're going to use him. Uh And so anyway.
Speaker 4: That's I say they have Cedric Wilson. I do that,
Speaker 4: I said Wilson or I think that's the same guy.
Speaker 3: He did not have any targets, and but he's basically
Speaker 3: just used some special teams in their game against Carolina,
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 4: I thought one of the stats might pointed out things
Speaker 4: they needed to improve on the second half third downs,
Speaker 4: they were zero for five, and he was talking about,
Speaker 4: you know, stuff they needed to get better at. And
Speaker 4: I knew that third down production wasn't good. I forgot
Speaker 4: it was mostly in the second half when they bogged
Speaker 4: down offensively. So that's something that they obviously got to
Speaker 4: get better at for sure. Another note, he'd said he
Speaker 4: learned a lot about coaching quarterbacks in nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 4: from Paul Hackett, so he owes Jerry Jones that that
Speaker 4: knowledge because Paul Hackett was here, and if Jerry didn't
Speaker 4: buy the team Hackett would have still been the offensive
Speaker 4: coordinator here with the Cowboys before he ended up at Pitts.
Speaker 4: How about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still would have been a disaster. Still would have
Speaker 2: been a disaster.
Speaker 4: Oh, how I heard is aster? I didn't know you
Speaker 4: were going with that too.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Cedric Wilson did have twenty nine
Speaker 3: snaps on offense UH in their game against Carolina their
Speaker 3: third receiver. He they got Chris olave Rashid Shahed who
Speaker 3: is you talk about, fast guy and he's their Cavante
Speaker 3: turpin on as far as a return guy, in fact,
Speaker 3: it all Pro return guy last year. And yeah, Wilson
Speaker 3: is third or fourth would be wide receiver. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So's a solid team, guys, it is.
Speaker 3: It is solid, very solid on special teams too, not
Speaker 3: only mentioning what they had the block punt last week
Speaker 3: and Shaheed had a punt return in the game the
Speaker 3: other day. UH. And he's a he is as fast
Speaker 3: as a He's almost Tyreek fast. And they've got a
Speaker 3: very respected special teams coaching Darren Rizzy, who along with
Speaker 3: John Fossil, were some of the the brain trust behind
Speaker 3: the new Dynamic kickoff UH and very well respected around
Speaker 3: the league and their kicker Mickey, their kicker Blake Groupie. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's in his second year.
Speaker 4: Why do I remember that name?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Maybe because of his size. He's listed
Speaker 3: at five six, one hundred and fifty two pounds go
Speaker 3: a way. So what do you think, Vicky? Could you
Speaker 3: be the kicker for the Saints?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 3: Is it similar?
Speaker 4: I would need one of those squared off shoes.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Saints, Tom Dempsey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, girl, exactly where I was going.
Speaker 3: But anyway, but Groupie had I have his numbers in
Speaker 3: front of him from last week. But I mean he
Speaker 3: didn't miss. The Saints scored on their first eight possessions
Speaker 3: of the game. He had at least three field goals.
Speaker 3: He had two field goals beyond fifty yards. Did you
Speaker 3: see the numbers on field goal kickers around the league
Speaker 3: in week number one? What their percentage was beyond fifty yards?
Speaker 3: We saw what our guy did, Randon Aubrey, and one
Speaker 3: of them didn't count. From sixty six, around the league,
Speaker 3: kickers were twenty one out of twenty three on field
Speaker 3: goals beyond fifty yards. No way, How amazing is that
Speaker 3: twenty one of twenty three.
Speaker 2: I remember when Aaron Rodgers got them in position during
Speaker 2: the playoff game, and you know that field goal was
Speaker 2: about fifty two of fifty four that beat us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Mason Crosby.
Speaker 2: And I just remember thinking he did not look like
Speaker 2: he was under any type of pressure. You know what,
Speaker 2: it's almost still kickers are going there?
Speaker 3: Were you a great basketball shooter?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, of course, of course there wasn't a three point
Speaker 3: free throw shots? Yeah, but then there wasn't a three
Speaker 3: point line in our day. Okay, but can you imagine
Speaker 3: if there was? I I always felt this way. In basketball,
Speaker 3: it's easier to shoot a three point shot than.
Speaker 2: It is a mid range jump range, mid range fifteen.
Speaker 3: It's almost gotten that way in football in the NFL,
Speaker 3: where it's easier to kick a fifty something yard field
Speaker 3: goal and an extra than it is an extra point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a thirty three are.
Speaker 4: That's why in tennis it's easier to hit groundstrokes than serve. Yeah,
Speaker 4: gives you too much time to think about stuff.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go, let's go even further. You remember not
Speaker 2: block was that he couldn't get checked, but he could.
Speaker 2: He just woke up one day and he couldn't throw
Speaker 2: the first base and he was he was all. It
Speaker 2: was like, you know, all star, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: And I think Mike Uh kind of set the tone
Speaker 4: Uh talking about the Saints saying because they won I
Speaker 4: think for their last five games last year, yes, very strong,
Speaker 4: just didn't get in. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't just a product of been playing NFC
Speaker 3: South teams. They were playing very well.
Speaker 4: He said, this is a team that played playoff football
Speaker 4: last year, basically saying they were good.
Speaker 2: Well, the quarterback finally decided to tone things down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes Klark can just be a little bit
Speaker 2: over the top. He thinks he's still with the Raiders
Speaker 2: half the time, and he can just throw it deep
Speaker 2: when they take the ball out of his hands and
Speaker 2: just allow him to manage. They can be a dangerous
Speaker 2: team because he has defensively plenty of support special teams.
Speaker 2: He got plenty of support when he lets when he
Speaker 2: plays the game the way Dak did last week and
Speaker 2: let your complimentary players do the work. He plays much
Speaker 2: better and this team is much better and they're much
Speaker 2: more dangerous. They travel just like the Cowboys did to
Speaker 2: cle We traveled well to Cleveland because of how we
Speaker 2: played they travel well because of how they play, but
Speaker 2: they run the ball very well. When they tone it down,
Speaker 2: Carr can be a pretty effective quarterback. And of course, defensively,
Speaker 2: they've always had that. Yep. All right. Uh, the.
Speaker 3: The ties between the Cowboys and the Saints, let's get
Speaker 3: into that. Put your thinking cap one. Probably ties between
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Speaker 3: How about the Saint? Okay?
Speaker 2: Why don't we.
Speaker 3: Producer Supreme just sent me some of the details on
Speaker 3: Dak's contract the coming out right now, and you want
Speaker 3: to explain the the two hundred million dollars cap hit
Speaker 3: in twenty.
Speaker 4: Thirty twenty thirty because they put voidable years at the
Speaker 4: end of the deal.
Speaker 3: There is a ready when you look at it.
Speaker 4: And that's part of the forty million that they had
Speaker 4: to count for for restructure bonus.
Speaker 3: Okay, and Todd Archer tweeted out the numbers on it,
Speaker 3: and not to get bogged down in this, but when
Speaker 3: you go through the numbers, you go all the way
Speaker 3: to the after the contract is over, and this is
Speaker 3: a void year in twenty thirty. He counts two hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars. It gets the Cowboys salary cap. But the explanation,
Speaker 3: the two hundred million dollar base salary in twenty thirty
Speaker 3: is fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty nine league year. Basically, it allows the Cowboys to
Speaker 3: designate Prescott a post June first cut in twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 3: before the official voiding of the deal occurred. Anyway, what
Speaker 3: were you going to explain about Dax's contract and the
Speaker 3: fact that he played in the game on Sunday on
Speaker 3: his old deal.
Speaker 4: He was played on his old base salary, which was
Speaker 4: twenty nine million. Ok So if you divide that by eighteen,
Speaker 4: off the top of my head, I'm not sure what
Speaker 4: that comes to. But because they didn't sign the contract
Speaker 4: until Monday, when they reduced his because they gave him
Speaker 4: the base the signing bonus, they reduced the base salary
Speaker 4: to one point two million, so his weekly pay goes down,
Speaker 4: but he got eighty million dollars up front, so that
Speaker 4: cost him a little extra. And when you start figuring
Speaker 4: his salary cap hits, they still had to count for
Speaker 4: the forty million restructure bonus, which was I think three
Speaker 4: years of twelve twelve twelve and then another one and
Speaker 4: one spaced out. So that's why part the package that
Speaker 4: he signed actually they have to count for forty more
Speaker 4: million than that. So, just to give you an idea,
Speaker 4: his cap hit this year goes down because of what
Speaker 4: we talked about, his base salary to forty three point
Speaker 4: three eight two million. Next year, next year with a
Speaker 4: forty seven point seven million dollar base salary, his cap
Speaker 4: hit goes to eighty nine point eight eight million, So
Speaker 4: that'll need to be restructured, right, So now they're going
Speaker 4: to continue throwing kicking the can down the road to
Speaker 4: count he gets the money kicking the can down the road,
Speaker 4: sort of like what they did with Terrence Steel. He
Speaker 4: signed a five year, eighty two point five million dollar track.
Speaker 4: I guess it was two years ago. They restructured his
Speaker 4: base salary for this year and lowered the base to
Speaker 4: one point six two five million, but paid him a
Speaker 4: five point six twenty five restructure bonus that is divided
Speaker 4: out by five or four and he has a cap
Speaker 4: hit now of six point five million, so they opened
Speaker 4: up some more cap space. Now everybody's getting excited that
Speaker 4: well they can go trade for somebody. But here's the deal,
Speaker 4: and here's what you have to remember. Next year they
Speaker 4: need all the cap space they can get. I already mentioned,
Speaker 4: and they'll restructure DAK. But as it is right now,
Speaker 4: his cap number is eighty nine point eight million CDs,
Speaker 4: is thirty five point four million digs, fourteen point two
Speaker 4: parsons twenty one point three. They would still have seventeen
Speaker 4: million in dead money for Zach and eight point seven
Speaker 4: for DeMarcus Lawrence. If you add all that up for
Speaker 4: six guys. It's one hundred and eighty six point four million,
Speaker 4: and the CAP's only going to be two sixty.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So that's why when everybody said, why didn't they sign
Speaker 4: them before? Well, they're trying to save every million dollars
Speaker 4: they could, and so it was, as I keep saying,
Speaker 4: it was complicated. It's not like just pay the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, you would think that fans these days understand that.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 4: I mean the media doesn't.
Speaker 2: And why wouldn't they. I mean, you guys should educate them.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be educated.
Speaker 4: I'm running out of time.
Speaker 2: I guess the team doesn't have time to educate them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because that too busy trying to get things done. So
Speaker 2: how about that? But I mean, if you just go
Speaker 2: to college and understand.
Speaker 4: It, right, I keep hearing that that Dak, it's got
Speaker 4: this money, you got to get a Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 4: So I looked up the top ten UH quarterbacks with
Speaker 4: their practical guarantee money. Dak was two thirty one, right,
Speaker 4: So how about this list? Dak, Watson, Burrow, Herbert Lawrence Jackson, Hurts,
Speaker 4: Golf tag tag Leovo.
Speaker 3: I can't say it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I said Tag right and Jordan Love. Those are the
Speaker 4: top ten.
Speaker 2: African quarterback I just said, Tag.
Speaker 4: I thought, let's not get distracted. Those are the top
Speaker 4: ten quarterbacks that have practical guarantees from two thirty one
Speaker 4: to one hundred and sixty million. Right, Dak's got to
Speaker 4: win a super Bowl. Any of these other guys won
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. Yet, how does that work. It's like
Speaker 4: everybody gets compared that you got to win a super Bowl.
Speaker 4: None of these guys that got paid have won a
Speaker 4: super Bowl. So it's it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I would have I wouldn't like to see it, but
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it would have been very interesting. If
Speaker 2: the Cowboys would have lost this.
Speaker 3: Game, Oh sign that would have been you know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. They would have made us. You know,
Speaker 2: I feel so bad about signing a guy that was
Speaker 2: contract was about to go out.
Speaker 4: You know what, the thing is.
Speaker 2: Going to jump.
Speaker 3: We'd still be talking about it was.
Speaker 2: Such a such boring postgame reports afterwards, so boring.
Speaker 6: They could ready to pound God.
Speaker 2: Stephen I was there. They didn't look like they were ready.
Speaker 4: They were distracted. Right, So Mahomes, by the way.
Speaker 3: Has won a Super Bowl, has won a.
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, and he's thirteenth in his his practical guarantee
Speaker 4: with one hundred and forty one million, even though his
Speaker 4: value of his contract is number one at four hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty million. But it's what eight years, right.
Speaker 2: Doesn't he But plus he's got like a piece of
Speaker 2: Team Sydney has. We might as well under the table
Speaker 2: stuff going on.
Speaker 4: I don't think you can do that.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. No, I'm sure he's got something.
Speaker 3: But they were able to figure out early on in
Speaker 3: his career that they wanted him to be their quarterback forever,
Speaker 3: and so they did a ten year was it ten year,
Speaker 3: five hundred million dollar deal or something, and then they
Speaker 3: just let it just work it out as we go
Speaker 3: along here.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say every quarterback that wins three Super Bowl
Speaker 2: should you know, get always be the highest paid, because
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you got other members of the team
Speaker 2: and the areas that play well. But if I was
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, he would always
Speaker 2: be the highest paid or at least the highest paid
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL, just based on what he's done
Speaker 2: and the way he's done it.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, before we go to break, did
Speaker 4: you see the list of one hundred and eighty three
Speaker 4: players being considered as seniors for the Pro Football.
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame one hundred and eighty three.
Speaker 4: One hundred and.
Speaker 3: Eighty three expanded the list this year.
Speaker 4: Because they've got a special committee.
Speaker 2: But the list and then they're still just just picking
Speaker 2: one guy.
Speaker 3: They're actually picking three.
Speaker 4: But they're they're going to cut it to fifty here
Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks. And on that list is
Speaker 4: Everson Walls.
Speaker 3: Who else is on the list?
Speaker 4: Copley's had fourteen guys.
Speaker 3: You see who else who was here in this very
Speaker 3: room yesterday with us?
Speaker 4: Nate Newton.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. When they start calling out
Speaker 2: and ate stuff next to mine, it's embarrassing, it really is.
Speaker 2: This guy got six Pro Bowls. He got six Pro Bowls,
Speaker 2: and for him not to be considered, first of all,
Speaker 2: you know you do up here, man. He should be
Speaker 2: in the ring of lines. He should already be.
Speaker 4: Well. Let me give you the names. Meredith, Darryl Johnston,
Speaker 4: Ralph Neeley, Nate Newton, John Niland, Too Tall, Harvey Martin,
Speaker 4: Everson Walls, Cornell Green, Herschel Walker, Billy Houghton. I did
Speaker 4: Billy Houghton get on that.
Speaker 3: Way even before our time.
Speaker 4: I know, uh, George Andre and Leroy Jordans.
Speaker 3: So I got by the way Leroy Jordan doesn't get enough. Yes,
Speaker 3: praise played thirteen.
Speaker 4: Years Effson, Nate Harvey.
Speaker 2: Harvey Man.
Speaker 4: You know Cornell Green was really.
Speaker 2: All pro safety and corner right. How many people do that, right?
Speaker 2: I mean that's some that's some darn what not Darren Wilson,
Speaker 2: But that's some some you know, what's some stuff, it's
Speaker 2: some some.
Speaker 4: So what's the.
Speaker 2: Robson?
Speaker 4: These guys had to play at least twenty five years ago,
Speaker 4: so Wood he still got a couple years normal, who
Speaker 4: does no, No, he's part of this senior Yeah, okay
Speaker 4: because his last year would have been ninety eight. And
Speaker 4: Carollina and of course, and.
Speaker 3: I feel like I need to run to the defense
Speaker 3: of Billy Houghton since she just under the bus.
Speaker 4: I didn't throw him under the bush.
Speaker 3: You just said money about.
Speaker 2: On this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Hell, why is he on it?
Speaker 3: He is a He was a four time pro bowler.
Speaker 3: In fact, according to Wikipedia, he is Wow, he's ninety
Speaker 3: four years old and still still going strong.
Speaker 2: Kick kicks out of yeah, out.
Speaker 3: Of plain view. Texas out in West Sexes, born in Littlefield, Texas.
Speaker 3: And he played for the Packers from nineteen fifty two
Speaker 3: to fifty eight, the Browns in fifty nine, and finished
Speaker 3: his career with the Cowboys sixty through sixty three. And
Speaker 3: he was a four time pro bowler with the Packers
Speaker 3: in the fifties. And so that's why, yeah, he's in
Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame. Was he had
Speaker 3: five hundred three catches in.
Speaker 4: His court and say he was a receiver.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, So got that right. So there you go,
Speaker 3: a salute to former Cowboy Billy Houghton and we continue
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Speaker 3: One other note on Billy Houghton, who Mickey Spagnola decided
Speaker 3: does not belong in the.
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, and he sense apologize.
Speaker 3: When he was with the Cowboys in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 3: Billy Houghton became the NFL's all time receiving leader, breaking
Speaker 3: Don Hudson's record for career receptions and receiving yards.
Speaker 4: Wow, so there, How many do you have with the
Speaker 4: Cowboys of that five hundred and three?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll have to do the math on it. He
Speaker 3: had five hundred three receptions for eighty four hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty nine yards with the Cowboys. He had twenty three
Speaker 3: plus fifty six is seventy nine plus forty nine, which
Speaker 3: gets you to one forty eight plus thirty three one
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty one catches with the Cowboys. Not bad.
Speaker 2: That is not bad.
Speaker 3: Eight fourteen seventeen touchdowns on some really bad Cowboys teams
Speaker 3: from nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: To sixty three, playing well on the bad time.
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: What else you got on your legal pad? Before I
Speaker 3: give you some family ties between the Cowboys and the Saints.
Speaker 3: I think we're good, right now? Okay, you go up with.
Speaker 4: Oh, I know so, and I don't know how you
Speaker 4: want to look at this, But the viewership of the
Speaker 4: Cowboys season opener at Cleveland twenty nine point three million viewers.
Speaker 3: How does that rank?
Speaker 4: From what I saw? It was number one because well
Speaker 4: number one that week that week like Thursday Thursday Chiefs Ravens.
Speaker 4: They needed TV and digital to get to twenty nine
Speaker 4: point two. Sunday Night Detroit, LA twenty two point seven million,
Speaker 4: and Friday Night Eagles Packers fourteen million. So over the
Speaker 4: air it was twenty nine point three million. And I
Speaker 4: guess there's still people interested in the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: So now, you weren't listening to the Fox broadcast of
Speaker 3: the game, right or were you? Did you have any
Speaker 3: press box where you listened to?
Speaker 4: It was fading in it out.
Speaker 3: I want to get Everson's take on Tom Brady in
Speaker 3: the booth.
Speaker 4: And then I listened to Did you listen to Tom Brady?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear the body. Okay, No, I didn't have
Speaker 2: the body.
Speaker 4: And your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I think he's fine, You think he did well, he's fine. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's giving giving time, he'll be fine.
Speaker 4: I thought, he pointed out when I got when I
Speaker 4: read it, I don't like people jumping on him in
Speaker 4: the first game or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know, let let it play out and we'll see. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot that goes into it that
Speaker 3: and we're going to get a full We've got three
Speaker 3: games worth of him to start off the season.
Speaker 2: To be your best your first time out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't mean that away as being critical
Speaker 3: of anything that. I thought he was fine. You know,
Speaker 3: I didn't notice him during the game, and so I
Speaker 3: think that's what that can be.
Speaker 2: A good good that's right.
Speaker 4: He pointed out a couple of things when I rewatched
Speaker 4: it that I actually was listening. I said, oh, that's
Speaker 4: a good point. I hadn't thought of that, So I
Speaker 4: thought that was good. That's the first time he did it.
Speaker 4: I mean, they did a practice on the Cowboys early.
Speaker 3: They did seventeen. They did mock games seventeen of him
Speaker 3: in a studio to prepare him. But he was out there.
Speaker 3: He did the Cowboys Rams preseason game that we did.
Speaker 3: He was in a booth doing that. And the Chargers
Speaker 3: had a preseason game the day before, so they knocked
Speaker 3: out two live games in one weekend that week, and
Speaker 3: so they they prepped him, and you know, he's they're little.
Speaker 2: I think they nitpicked on when he did he didn't
Speaker 2: make enough of the season.
Speaker 4: You know, the reaction that I got make enough of what.
Speaker 2: He didn't make enough of the sixty six yard the
Speaker 2: field goal, they thoh, and then the fact that they.
Speaker 4: Well I think they were confused because they heard the
Speaker 4: whistle and even Aubrey thought they frozen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that they that called called time out.
Speaker 2: But then even when they found out that there could
Speaker 2: be a potential seventy one yarder, I guess, and they
Speaker 2: said that he didn't show enough enthusiasm about that possibility.
Speaker 2: And even the other guy said, well, that's kind of nitpicking,
Speaker 2: you know, regards to how well he did. That's just
Speaker 2: what I heard on the radio.
Speaker 4: Well, and they, I don't know if it was the
Speaker 4: play by play guy, they didn't realize he had he
Speaker 4: had kicked the sixty six yarder in preseason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was where I was knowing that you're doing
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, I would think that you the first three
Speaker 3: games of the season. I would think that you would
Speaker 3: watch all the Cowboys preseason games. And so because basically
Speaker 3: the way I look at it is, yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: national audience, but you are broadcasting to the fans of
Speaker 3: the two teams that are playing in that game, and
Speaker 3: those fans have watched all those preseason games, and you
Speaker 3: need to be on top of everything that's happened here
Speaker 3: in the last month with these football teams. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is the one job that you have to do.
Speaker 3: And so and a sixty six yarder that should have
Speaker 3: been pointed out that he made a sixty six yarder
Speaker 3: that precise distance In Las Vegas. We don't have that
Speaker 3: much different kickers, but that is significant enough that you
Speaker 3: should have been quick on the.
Speaker 4: Trigger to, oh, he's done this before.
Speaker 3: Right from from that exact same length, you know, which
Speaker 3: ties the NFL record. If it wasn't the preseason.
Speaker 4: I think it was the same direction.
Speaker 3: To north, north to south.
Speaker 2: That's really that is. I do realize, Micky.
Speaker 3: You do realize, Mickey, if you were sitting on the
Speaker 3: other side of the stadium, it would not be the
Speaker 3: same direction.
Speaker 4: It went to the right.
Speaker 2: That's all I know.
Speaker 3: That's funny family ties between the Cowboys and the Saints.
Speaker 3: You got them front office or in a scouting department.
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis and Alex Loomis.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Mickey Loomis is the longtime GM of the Saints going
Speaker 3: back twenty five years he became He was with the
Speaker 3: Saints organization starting in two thousand, became the GM in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two. And his son Alex loomis the
Speaker 3: director of pro scouting for the Cowboys now for he's
Speaker 3: been with the Cowboys for a good fifteen years now.
Speaker 3: Jeff Ireland Jeff Ireland who was with the Cowboys during
Speaker 3: the parcels. But that's not a family.
Speaker 4: You want family.
Speaker 3: The other family tie is Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: and Klein Kubiak an area of scout for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Troo brothers of course, the sons of Gary Kubiak. And
Speaker 3: by the way, they have another brother, Clay Kubiak, who
Speaker 3: is on the coaching staff of the San Francisco forty
Speaker 3: nine ers. But that's a big deal with the Saints
Speaker 3: this year the hiring of Clint Kubiak as their offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator aged thirty seven, and last year he was with
Speaker 3: San Francisco as their past game coordinator.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the same system that Carr is accustomed to?
Speaker 3: Well, and it's well he was with going back with
Speaker 3: Kubiak and of course with his dad with Gary Kubiak,
Speaker 3: you know, and you go back to and so he
Speaker 3: was with Shanahan there. Yeah, and that goes back to
Speaker 3: going all the way back to with the Broncos, going
Speaker 3: way back.
Speaker 2: I have this really helped with his comfort zone with.
Speaker 4: The that's right, and so and you can point out
Speaker 4: that Mike got his first offensive coordinator job with the Saints, right.
Speaker 3: That Mike did. McCarthy, Yeah, and so so McCarthy, you know,
Speaker 3: Lewis to you, it's it's Mike, it's coach. Well, the
Speaker 3: reason I asked Mike is because I was about to
Speaker 3: make a point about Mike Zimmer. Oh and how interesting
Speaker 3: is this? Last week Zimmer is going up against a
Speaker 3: head coach and Kevin Stefanski, who is on his staff
Speaker 3: as the offensive coordinator with the Minnesota Vikings. And now
Speaker 3: second game of the year, he's going up against Clint Kubiak,
Speaker 3: who was on Mike Zimmer's staff in Minnesota in nineteen,
Speaker 3: I mean twenty nineteen through twenty one. He was the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator with the Vikings. So the first two games
Speaker 3: of the year for Mike Zimmer with the Cowboys, he's
Speaker 3: going up against his former offensive coordinators in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Now we have potential connection. I have potential connection with
Speaker 2: the Saints. I almost went there. Yeah, if he wasn't
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, that would have been my second choice.
Speaker 4: They wanted to sign you Saints in Buffalo.
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't going up to Buffalo, No way
Speaker 2: I was going up there.
Speaker 4: Well, those were pretty lean years for the Saints.
Speaker 2: So well, after that, recall, they signed Ricky Jackson Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame and their number. They had like the number
Speaker 2: one defense, especially the number one linebacker corps in the
Speaker 2: NFL throughout the eighties.
Speaker 4: So Ricky Jackson Mills was Mills there already in the eighties, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the eighties, but not not when I.
Speaker 4: Came out, Sam Wills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh they had the other one, that number
Speaker 2: fifty six on the other side. Heck of a heck
Speaker 2: of a linebackers. Well, I called him Shaba because he
Speaker 2: looked like Shaba Ranks.
Speaker 3: And the reason that you decided on Dallas instead of
Speaker 3: New Orleans is because of the money.
Speaker 4: No, he could live in he came.
Speaker 3: And by the way, who is the head coach of
Speaker 3: the Saints at that point, I couldn't I tell you,
Speaker 3: bum Phillips was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He loved me nineteen eighty one to eighty five. Nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty one to eighty five, bum Phillips was the head
Speaker 3: coach of the Saints. You could have got in there
Speaker 3: on the ground floor of bum Phillips coaching the Saints.
Speaker 2: I've been to his captain forever. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So McCarthy was there when the Saints won their first playoff.
Speaker 3: Game in the early ODTS.
Speaker 4: I believe that's right.
Speaker 3: We'll have to do that and research that for another day.
Speaker 4: It was it was six. I think I was at
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: He wasn't there in six. I was always with the Packers.
Speaker 3: Oh five years with San Francisco, so he was four.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right before they uh won that playoff
Speaker 4: game after Katrina the next year when Peyton was the
Speaker 4: head coach, and which would have been seven and Drew
Speaker 4: Brees ended up getting there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that was our first playoff win.
Speaker 4: No, they must have won one earlier because he talked
Speaker 4: to somebody said that he was there for the first
Speaker 4: playoff the franchise first place jectory.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll research that and we'll have the answer for you.
Speaker 2: To get their way.
Speaker 4: We got two minutes talking.
Speaker 3: Oh we do all right, it's twelve, forty eight, Yeah,
Speaker 3: forty five. I got another show coming up here. One.
Speaker 3: You got to get out of here at fifty Okay, yeah, unless.
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