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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and

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Speaker 2: Buck with you as we react to a crazy weekend

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Speaker 2: of Divisional round football. We know our finalists. Now we've

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Speaker 2: got the final four, Buck, But just as soon as

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Speaker 2: we're getting ready to get talking about that, this is

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Speaker 2: the coaching cycle that never ends, man, No, it never ends.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills move on from Sean McDermott following the

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Speaker 1: loss in the Divisional round and DJ, I think the

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Speaker 1: thing about this and maybe why it troubled me so

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here looking at Sean mcdermot's record, right, and.

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Speaker 1: I just think about how hard it is to get

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Speaker 1: consistently into the tournament. And I'm like eight nine seasons,

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Speaker 1: eight playoff appearances, ninety eight and fifty regular season record,

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Speaker 1: And the reason it resonates with me is because when

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Speaker 1: to four straight Super Bowl they talked about, we want

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Speaker 1: to dominate the division, because if you dominate the division

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Speaker 1: it guarantees you a lottery ticket to the tournament. And

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Speaker 1: so when we think about the tournament, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills have always been in the tournament in

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Speaker 1: his era, and people talked about, yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 1: like they got to the championship game. It was around

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Speaker 1: they hadn't gone to the Super Bowl, And I tweeted this.

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Speaker 1: It reminded me of the debate that we've had where

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Speaker 1: we talked about in baseball in the nineties and two thousands,

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Braves won a million division titles, they won

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Speaker 1: two decades, but they won two. So would you rather

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Speaker 2: Or would you rather always being the conversation?

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's where we're training to International

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Speaker 1: win it. And I just think that's a faulty strategy

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Speaker 2: Lightning in the bottle, We're gonna win it, and then

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I just don't get this realistic. It's a

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Speaker 2: great analogy. I had always used the Utah Jazz as

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what the equivalent to that would be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like the MAVs or somebody

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Speaker 2: a Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah, yeah, they got one. They got

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Speaker 2: you know, just because of my fandom, which I only

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Speaker 2: I've been to the playoffs for the last six years.

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I would. I just want that one experience.

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Speaker 1: And I would say this, I know you well enough

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Speaker 1: It would be like the Cubs people when the Cubs

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Speaker 2: That's what it feels like. And guess what, the Jets

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Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz is exactly who it feels like. Because

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Speaker 1: Buffalo did all the right things, but Pat Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs prevented them from realizing their potential

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Speaker 1: So there's an expectation that this league is dynastic in

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Speaker 2: We're always there and in the mix. But don't you

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Speaker 1: Did they put the pieces in place to push their

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Speaker 1: And I can't say that Buffalo did the same thing.

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Speaker 2: They have a roster full and outside of those guys,

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Speaker 1: And the feedback people are like, well, why are the

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Speaker 2: An elite level at the rates which he's rushing the past.

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Speaker 2: Well he was running. I was like, man, I forgot

434
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 2: like he is fast and he is strong, and I.

435
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 1: Had a buddy who coached against him when he was

436
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: in high school because I was like, man, how is heasy?

437
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 1: He said, Buck, I'm telling you, man, whenever this thing

438
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: is backed up and he's in a corner, he always

439
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: responds the right way. And in that game DJ I

440
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: felt like you could feel him in these late moments

441
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: in the postseason. You can see the Boogeyman that he

442
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: is going to be in these moments because he has.

443
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: Some I don't care in his game that I'm gonna

444
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: make these throws.

445
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make these plays and do it and you're

446
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 1: gonna have to live with some of the turnovers that

447
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: comes with that kind of mentality.

448
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 2: But he's wired the right way. I just you know,

449
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate for them.

450
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: They did all that stuff to work and they needed

451
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: to finish it, and they had an opportunity to finish it.

452
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: And look, it's on.

453
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks, on the coaches, on everybody to get it done.

454
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: But they were that far from finishing. And Ben Johnson's

455
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: perspective afterwards when he said, I can't think about next

456
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: year because no matter what we all think, you don't

457
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: have momentum going into next season. You got to start

458
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: it all over and some of the magic carpet ride

459
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: that you had this year is not going to exist

460
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: next year. So how do you figure out how to

461
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: improve the team and improve him? But you got to

462
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: like what we've seen from here and you want under.

463
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Speaker 2: Ben John Yeah. No. To me, just watching him in

464
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: terms of the strength and the athleticism and the explosiveness

465
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: both as a runner and a thrower kind of gave

466
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: me like old school stay and stay in the city

467
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: of Chicago, like Derek Rose when he was kind of

468
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: coming on the scene there and you're like, oh my gosh,

469
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: this guy's got a little different bounce to him than

470
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: everybody else that's out there on the floor. Man.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in DJ, I'll say this because eventually we're gonna

472
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: have these long conversations about like the draft and quarterback

473
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: prospects or whatever. But man, I'm telling you, and the

474
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: playoffs continues to bear fruit your franchise quarterback. If you

475
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: look the elast, you better have some superpowers and it

476
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 1: can't just all be processing. You better have some other

477
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: stuff to get me out of a gym. If I'm

478
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: a play caller, because I can't call the perfect play

479
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: the entire.

480
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: Game, I just I cannot do it.

481
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: And so whether we talked about Caleb, we talked about Drake,

482
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: we talk about the people that we're seeing in this tournament.

483
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: You have to have some of that stuff in your

484
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: game on the rams. Look, give them credit. I don't

485
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: Ben Shawn and said after the game he didn't call

486
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: his best game. I thought they should have committed to

487
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: the run game a little more than they did early.

488
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: They were getting six and seven yards with both those backs.

489
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: They felt like they were kind of chewing up some yards.

490
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: And the other thing, I would just say, look, the

491
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: defense played great, especially for long stretch there in the

492
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: second half. They were just getting turnover three and outs

493
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: and playing really, really consistent. I think the front wasn't

494
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: just a dominant front. I thought the secondary played much

495
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: better than they have over the last month, which was

496
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: a good sign for them. They're going to need that

497
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: going into Seattle. But the other thing is man like

498
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: Pooka Nakua. I don't know if I think I'm trying

499
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: to think of can you think of other players who

500
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: you would say? And I guess Jared Verse would be

501
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: in the conversation, but I think I would I could

502
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: make a strong argument. Pooka Naku is the toughest player

503
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: on their football team. And you know what I love

504
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: about what they do When.

505
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: It's nut cutting time, he gets the book fly sweep

506
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: sight adjustment, which we don't really see a lot our league,

507
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: and I wanted to point that out.

508
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: They played cover.

509
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: Zero against him. They bring the pressure off the thing.

510
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: He does a slight adjustment. Date throw it to him

511
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: at four yards and he gets the additional four just

512
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: by being a tough guy. Uh. We We've talked about

513
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: this the last couple of years about how toughness has

514
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: to be a core ingred of whomever you bring in

515
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: as a prospect, but as a wide receiver him elected none, No, no,

516
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm running through you.

517
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sliding war. I mean so much of honey.

518
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: He blocks like hines, like the whole physical Yeah, like

519
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: everything it is. It is essential. It is a big

520
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: part of who they are.

521
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: And I will say this because a couple of years

522
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: ago I thought Davonte Adams was beginning to slip, and

523
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: he does have some slippage in his game when it

524
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: comes around running, but that he made that cass that

525
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: he made on the boundary.

526
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

527
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: Handoue coordination, body controlling those things. What I love about

528
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: the postseason. We are seeing some people at their best

529
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to some of the plays that they make.

530
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: That was an unbelievable catch, and you're right, Sean McVeigh

531
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: didn't have his best game because I felt like they

532
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: needed to stick to the run. They could have punched

533
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: the run in a little bit to control of the game,

534
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: and there was a segment in there where they kind

535
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: of got pass happy.

536
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: I just know this.

537
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: Going to Seattle, they better be balanced because up there

538
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: with the twelves, you do not want to get into

539
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: one of these games where it's just.

540
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Throw, throw, throw, throw throw.

541
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: Because Mike McDonald and the Seahawks, they are finding ways

542
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: to unlock the codes and the job that he did,

543
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: and we'll get to this game, the job that he

544
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: did against the Niners. If I'm a team that is

545
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: playing calshit and I am studying those three games because

546
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: the whole the Niners took twenty six points in a

547
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: three game spare oh, I'm looking at all of this

548
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: stuff that they did to try and figure out how

549
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: we can put I playing together to get up the

550
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: cause I've never seen anybody dismant.

551
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: They were hurt. I ain't never seen anybody dismount of

552
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: the niner. The other dominance man gave up one drive,

553
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: one drive, and then that was the wrap. Yeah, I mean,

554
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: wait and get to that game forty one to six.

555
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: The other thing. As we're starting in this game here

556
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: in Seattle, San Francisco, I'm glad we're going to get

557
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: ram Seattle. It felt like those are the two best teams.

558
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to see that matchup. I love did a

559
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 2: little tweet showing clever Lang because it's got a version

560
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Dockey three vibe to it. Predict. What's your prediction for

561
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: the fight? Pain, Yes, that's what it's going to be.

562
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: It's going to be a war. I cannot wait for

563
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: that game. And I was thinking from a Seattle standpoint,

564
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: if you're a Seattle fan, you get a chance to

565
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: to get through both of your division rivals, with the

566
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: ultimate payoff being a chance to avenge a Super Bowl

567
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: loss to the Patriots, Like all that's on the table there,

568
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: Like that would I mean, I don't know if there'd

569
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: be a sweeter ride than that one, if they were

570
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: able to pull that whole thing off. Yeah, the Redemption Tour.

571
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like they I'll see this, they gave away

572
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl to the Patriots.

573
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: When the balls on the one yard line, they can

574
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: handle the beast mode, they do it.

575
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: The interception in is going to prevent a lot of

576
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: dudes from getting gold jackets because they didn't get that

577
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: second one done.

578
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: That's it, man.

579
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: And looking at the job that Mike McDonald has done,

580
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: and you will know a little bit more because you

581
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: have people that were close to the ground to him

582
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I'll say this, DJ like his command and

583
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: his ability as a young coach. Now I do know

584
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser pretty well, and Leslie has done a really

585
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: good job in his role as kind of like the

586
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: advisor confidant of whatevery. But he said, Mike McDonald has

587
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: the goods.

588
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: He is right. They got it, man. And you know,

589
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: it's funny listening.

590
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: To Brock where Brock talked about how they had to

591
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: have some removal of players to fully be who they needed.

592
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: To be Mob Mob. Yeah. So, and it's so it's

593
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: funny because we didn't get the chance to follow up.

594
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 1: But like when Brock talked about the Marcus Lawrence right,

595
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: and it's funny because this also came out when Michael

596
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Parsons went the green Back environment and culture is everything,

597
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: expectations everything.

598
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't believe he's running to the ball.

599
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Well, I am sure that there was a conversation when

600
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: he got to Seattle, Hey, bro run to the ball,

601
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: where maybe that didn't exist in his previous place, but

602
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: in Seattle, they're like.

603
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: Hey mean, we spaked everybody to run to the ball.

604
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: Get to the ball.

605
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: People don't understand the value of coaching and how sometimes

606
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: in the league everybody doesn't get coached. But it certainly

607
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: appears when I look at the Seahawks, they getting coached,

608
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: and they're getting coached hard.

609
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: I also I also think, you know, I think that

610
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: DeMarcus played hard, has played hard now. I think he

611
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: wanted to go someplace where what he believed in was emphasized,

612
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: and I believe that that's from a cultural standpoint. I

613
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: think he went up there and found some like minded

614
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: guys and said, Okay, this is where I belong, this

615
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: is where I fit, and those guys want to come

616
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: there and be a part of that.

617
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: And look, that can be a big part of it,

618
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: because you know, when it's not right. You can look

619
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: around it lots and be like, oh, we we don't

620
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: have a chance. These dudes don't really everyone's not all

621
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: the way bought in.

622
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: But even though he wasn't at a big school, he

623
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: was at Boise and that culture at boisos the way

624
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: it was supposed to work. He knows what it looks like.

625
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: And I believe that DJ. They know, like, particularly if

626
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: you come from winning programs.

627
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Is one of the reasons why we talked about scouting

628
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: guys and getting guys from championship caliber programs that have

629
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: won at a high level. They understand how the program

630
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: is supposed to operate when you're winning and successful.

631
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: He knows and they do it.

632
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: And look that that mentality mob that they talked about

633
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: mission over bs, Yeah, like just just being able to

634
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: understand that and to have a selfless team. And I'm

635
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: gonna say this, we talked about toughness. I don't care

636
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: what anyone says. And we don't know the severity of

637
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: Sam Donald's injury, but an oblique but you know how

638
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: we used to talk about the quarterback has to have

639
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: a mentality.

640
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: Of not over my dead body.

641
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I don't care how I feel I'm playing

642
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: in this game and I'm gonna figure out a way

643
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: to get it done whether it hurts or not. Give

644
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Sam Donald credit. And luckily for them, they didn't really

645
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: have to use him extensively, so he was able to

646
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: get through it. But franchise quarterback has to show up,

647
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: and I give him a ton of credit for showing up,

648
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: regardless of the severity of the injury. To me, that matters,

649
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: and I think it matters to his teammates because that

650
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: toughness has to be shown from your franchise quarterback in

651
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: some moments.

652
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough loss for them though with Zach Sharbon and

653
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: he has done for the rest of the playoffs. He

654
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 2: had been a great one two punch there with Kenneth Walker.

655
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: But I mean, look, this is a team that's very physical.

656
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: They're physical on the line of scrimmage on both sides.

657
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: They're going to want to try and run the ball

658
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: against the Rams. But I mean this game will require

659
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: more of Sam Donald than the last one did. He's

660
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: going to have to make throws, which he didn't and

661
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: when they were able to beat the Rams at home

662
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: a few weeks back, he's going to need to play

663
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: the same way and I'm saying, does he still going

664
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: have to vanquish some demons?

665
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Because there's a feeling that I get from the Rams

666
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: that they feel like they know Sam and that they

667
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: can make the old Sam come up. And so even

668
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: though he proved on that Thursday night game to hey,

669
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: I can take care of this, I can lead us back,

670
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: He's still gonna have to overcome that. But let me

671
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: also shout out because we know a friend of the program,

672
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: John Snyder Miss he's in trade cool for Shi shit

673
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: like DJ. You know how we talked about what we

674
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: were talking about Buffalo, about Hey, pushing your chips in

675
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: and when you know it's there and being able to

676
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: look down the road and say, hey, what do we need?

677
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: What do we need to get us over the top.

678
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: And I will say this because they did it before.

679
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: And this is where experience matters. You remember when they

680
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: made the move for Percy Harvin the first iteration, we

681
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: just needed the Hey man, we might just need like

682
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: another playmaker. Where were we playing? I don't know, but

683
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: I know he can give us something. In the third phase.

684
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Shat has given them that. He also has given them

685
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: something a little bit when he comes in. It makes plays,

686
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: but that kickoff return to start the game, the energy

687
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: that was created right away, that's why you make those trades.

688
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: You make that trade because you're like, man, I just

689
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: need something in our pocket, just something just to give

690
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: us a little Give him credit, man, he has always

691
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: been daring, but your move the Pete Carroll thing, and

692
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: now this is really his team where he's putting it together.

693
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: Man.

694
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: I look the draft that they just had, what they've

695
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: done to develop, the way they've kind of built this

696
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: pass off to Snyder. Man, I can't say enough good

697
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: things about what he's doing.

698
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: So I know that obviously John had the Super Bowl,

699
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: two appearances in the win there in Seattle. But if

700
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: we take this conversation back rewind a little bit, can

701
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: you see maybe the Buffalo blueprint is actually Seattle of

702
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: Pete had his run. Great job, thanks for everything you've done.

703
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: But right now we need to take We're going to

704
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: just pivot a little bit and get some new juice,

705
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: some new energy, and see if we can then make

706
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: a deeper push. And it's obviously worked so far for Seattle. Yeah,

707
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: so now everything is the next higher.

708
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: So the next higher matters, and I would say, like

709
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: everyone will talk about the Josh Allen thing in terms

710
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: of it mattering.

711
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: It's not only what you do offensively. I think the

712
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: biggest thing is Sean McDermott was so heavily impactful on

713
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: their defense. That defensive coordinator has to be a star

714
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: because he has to take what they have and elevate

715
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: them to the next level.

716
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: And so that higher everyone's going to talk about offensively,

717
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: but that higher the person that takes over the defense

718
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: that inheritence with Greg Russau and all those guys at Panessa,

719
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: how can you get those guys to elevate their respective games.

720
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: To me, that's really really important. But you're right, they

721
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: elevated after Pete. Now Buffalo didn't fall off like Pete

722
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: in the.

723
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: It elevated. Mike McDonald and Snyder have their imprint.

724
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is an opportunity going back to Buffalo

725
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: for Brandon Bean to put his thumb all the way

726
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: on and say, now, this is what it should look like,

727
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to look like, and we're

728
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: going to be able to find a way to get

729
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: it done.

730
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: Let's get to the last game here, New England Houston.

731
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: We've been talking the winning side of a lot of

732
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: these games, and I think in this one, I think

733
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: the bigger story coming out of this game was on

734
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: the losing side more so than anyone wasn't on the

735
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: New England side of things.

736
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, just because I didn't even

737
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: have a chance to see your tweets or whatever in

738
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: this game at at time, would you play Davis Milton again?

739
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I've been in games and this is a time.

740
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: Not trying to compare anything I've ever been through to

741
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: what these guys have been through, but I have been

742
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: on teams in college where they've come in and either

743
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: I was a starter or the number two, and they've

744
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: ended happened both ways. They kind of in and say, hey,

745
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: you're going to give you one series here in the

746
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: second half, but you got to get it going. You

747
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: better get this thing gone or we're going to have

748
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: to make a change. And I've been on the backup side,

749
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: was like, hey, we're gonna give him, We're going to

750
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: give him a little bit here, but the leash is

751
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: very short. You better be ready to go. Yeah, So, Non,

752
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: what's what's interesting about it?

753
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: Like I was, I was looking at the discourse and

754
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: I was I was saying this the entire time, like, man,

755
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: he is crushing their chances.

756
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: And I was saying, like, man, four interceptions put in

757
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: the thing a twenty eight passer ray. That is terrible.

758
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: And it was again, it wasn't good the week before

759
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: buck nah like and so dj I saw like five interceptions,

760
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: five pombals.

761
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: Now two of those were lost, but that's a lot

762
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: of turnovers. And it wasn't just how bad it was,

763
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: it was his body language and the way.

764
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: That, yeah, that's a bigger thing that he looked.

765
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: He slumped shoulders, he looked like it was a little

766
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: big for him. And so my first thing was like hey, OC, like, hey,

767
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: let's take some let's take some of this off of him,

768
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: let's run, let's run the football a little bit or whatever.

769
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, yeah, but they can't run it whatever.

770
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: I said, Yeah, but you can't just keep throwing it.

771
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: You can't throw it twenty six times when he doesn't

772
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: have no clue in the first half. And then I've

773
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: seen Davis Mills because the second game where the Jaguars

774
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: played the Texans, Davis Mills started and he was finding

775
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: he got hot the last.

776
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Quarter and a half. But I wondered in that game.

777
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know, but I understand

778
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: it and everything is on the line, and so I

779
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: was like, man, if you make this move, you have

780
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: to be certain because.

781
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: It's hard to go back. It's hard to go back

782
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: after you make you pull it in.

783
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: And so I understood why Dimiko's like, now I gotta

784
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: stand in front. I gotta stand Tinto's down in this

785
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: because if I do this, it creates an even bigger

786
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: issue in the off season.

787
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: But DJ is close. I mean, I was like, I

788
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: was like, like, cause my dad, my Dad's texted me like,

789
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: hey man, how much longer.

790
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, me because as bad

791
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: as it was, I kept saying, they're only eleven points down.

792
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: They're still in the game. Yeah, they got a drive.

793
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 2: They didn't finish it, but they had a drive coming

794
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: out in the third quarter. But to me, even more

795
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: so than the fumbles and the and the poorly thrown interceptions,

796
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: there were some balls where it was like, dude, he

797
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: got a guy in the flat, he's dirting the ball

798
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: like wormburn. I'm like, what is going on here? Man?

799
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: Like Steve Sacks, Yeah, yep, yeah, the yips So now DJ,

800
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: here's the bigger question, right.

801
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: So not paying and I can cut you off there

802
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: if you're gonna ask that question that that's getting kicked

803
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: down the road. So now you have two.

804
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Sub part years coming off of offenseve Rookie of the Year,

805
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: things great twenty year, Yeah, twenty twenty four to twenty

806
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: twenty five, it's been bad. So you got rid of

807
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: the coordinator after twenty twenty four. You got a new

808
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: coordinator this year, and the results have been the same,

809
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: if not worse. At some point we got to look

810
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: around and be like, hey man, what's what's going on?

811
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: So you got to fit your option. You can pick

812
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: that up whatever, But at no point can you talk

813
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: about like the three hundred million dollars decision.

814
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: I just can't do that. Like you, we got an

815
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: elephant in the room, man, look at Kyler Murray and

816
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: look at Tua like the I don't know man, Like

817
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: that didn't work out well when they signed the check

818
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 2: with I hope this works. I just don't. I don't.

819
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't think man, I don't think you can do it.

820
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna go this war and say, oh,

821
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: you got to have a quarterback competition, But I think

822
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: the best way to get them compete is like, hey,

823
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: but here's what we're gonna We're gonna pick up a

824
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: fifty option and then we're gonna see and even if

825
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: it costs us more money, we'll gladly write the check.

826
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: If you make us have to write the check. We're

827
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: not going to write the check now until you, like

828
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: you just have too much evidence a bad ball right

829
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: now to lock in and say hey, I'm signing up

830
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: for this.

831
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: It feels interesting compared to like the Sam Darnold with

832
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: the Jets decision, the Daniel Jones with the Giants decision,

833
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: where I think with both of those guys, you saw good,

834
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: but it was like the and the Jets happened to

835
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: be positioned a high end a draft. Now obviously it

836
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: didn't work out. It took Zach Wilson and he bombed,

837
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: and in hindsight, I think it probably like a do

838
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: over on that one. Daniel Jones, they kind of tried

839
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: to split the baby and did kind of again contract,

840
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 2: you know, like a couple of years, not too much risk,

841
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: but they committed to them. So let's mentioned the decision

842
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: that they have to make here. Man, I think that

843
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: that's not like you could try and say, okay, we'll

844
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: do it maybe a little shorter term one. I don't

845
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: even know if you'd feel great about that coming off

846
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: these two performances. I think you kind of just have

847
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: to ride this thing out. Now.

848
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: It takes onions to do that. It takes being able

849
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: to stand firm and be like, hey man, here's what

850
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: we're doing. And you may have some hurt feelings in

851
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: those things.

852
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: Now. The thing that we don't.

853
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: Know is how that that room, that that meeting room,

854
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: and how that locker room has been operated in terms

855
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: of like hard conversations, tough love in those things. So

856
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: a lot of it would depend on how they get

857
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: down when it comes to coaches and players and having

858
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: those at that true discourse. But look, I just don't

859
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: think you can you can marry yourself to that based

860
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: on what we saw in the postseason.

861
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: But even bigger than that dj the last.

862
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: Two years, because the last two years matter more than

863
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: the postseason. That's just recent seed doing it, but the

864
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: last two years of not being great, and so we

865
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: need to get to the bottom of why hasn't it

866
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: been good since the rookie season. That's what the conversation

867
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: has to be because the two years in the postseason

868
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: it hasn't been good enough. But you don't regress like that,

869
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: you don't have a great rookie year, then come back

870
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: to the pack like the way that he is.

871
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: The other thing I would just add, as we kind

872
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: of finished this thing up here, I was, let me

873
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: ask you this question about a couple of these games.

874
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: If if Buffalo and Denver was played in Buffalo, did

875
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: Buffalo win? I think so. If New England Houston has

876
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: played in Houston, does Houston win? Yah had better chance

877
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: of winning. Yet I think the homefield matters a lot.

878
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: I mean in Seattle, I mean, I look, I don't

879
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: think Sam. We just saw that the game was a

880
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: lot more competitive, at least in San Francisco than it

881
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: wasn't Seattle. I think Seattle wins both places, and I

882
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: think the Rams won close. I think the Rams probably

883
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: would have beat Chicago pretty handily it home if they're

884
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: at warm Weather with Stafford playing indoor like that would

885
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: have been so that That's my whole point is that

886
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: this is a great example of yeah, hey, those games

887
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: in the middle of the season, they matter. Home field

888
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: advantage matters.

889
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: And I think you have to bring that that urgency

890
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: to your your people. You have to tell them like, hey,

891
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: this is why it matters in those things. Even though

892
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: the Jags lost the wildcard round at home, I can

893
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: tell you, man, it it matters. Man, there is something

894
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: about it. And also, did we see all these games

895
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: are three point games? Yeah, the one score games. And

896
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: if I have my dress, I want to be at home.

897
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: I want to be in the comfy companies of my

898
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: own spot where I know the lead of the land,

899
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: I can prep in my I know exactly what I'm

900
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: dealing with.

901
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: And that's yeah, you want home.

902
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: And I think now more than ever, going all in

903
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: for the number one seed matters.

904
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: But also I can't get number one. I got to

905
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: get number two.

906
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I gotta have the opportunity to play multiple games at

907
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: home to get myself the best shot of going to

908
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: the championship game.

909
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm trending in that direction as well.

910
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, Buck, we do have

911
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: the National Championship game tonight. Miami and Indiana. Who do

912
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: you like and why.

913
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: Indiana has been so great? Like their execution is flawless.

914
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: They had been able to kind of dominate and do whatever.

915
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: But you know who they've been. They've been Tiger Woods,

916
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: playing from ahead the entire time. What I would like

917
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: to see from an evaluation standpoint, I would just like

918
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: to see a little adversity. I would like to see,

919
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about mendoz or whatever. I would

920
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: like to see him have to overcome something to do it,

921
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: not just for them winning the title, but a better evaluation.

922
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: DJ.

923
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: This is crazy because I heard this on the podcast,

924
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: but I didn't notice in ten of the fifteen games

925
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: of these played.

926
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: Fewer the nineteen pass attempts. Like that's crazy to me.

927
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Like what we're talking about if you were in the

928
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: nineteen even the remarkable run in the postseason, DJ, we're

929
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: talking about averaging one hundred and eighty something pass yards

930
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: with those eight touchdowns. I want to see from an

931
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: evaluation standpoint, how does he play.

932
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: When it's on him over the course of a game.

933
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: Just from that. But this game, Indiana is the favorite,

934
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: they should do it. I think it's a narrow path

935
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: of victory from Miami. But I will say this, the

936
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: people that are sleeping on my Miami upfront, their front

937
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: can give them problems if they can control the game

938
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: early and if they're able to use their offense as

939
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: their defense to kind of make it where they shrink

940
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: the game and impose their will. But it's a narrow

941
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: path to big from Miami. I don't think this can

942
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: be a shootout. It has to be a regular affair,

943
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: a grinded out of affair where they can win in

944
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: the forward.

945
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: Carson back point. Now, I think the Miami offensive line

946
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: is going to be bigger to me. I think that's

947
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: the difference. You've seen Indiana go up against some good

948
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: defensive lines, but like the big games they've played, Ohio

949
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: State's offensive line underwhelming, Oregon's offensive line I think, a

950
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: little overrated, Alabama's offensive line not up to Alabama standards.

951
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: This will be the best offensive line that they've seen,

952
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: and they're big, and if they can run the ball

953
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: and move it that way too, clock like, you can

954
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: get to a formula where Miami wins. I think obviously

955
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Indiana is the favorite because they're, you know, make case,

956
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: the more complete all the way through twenty two starters,

957
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: maybe the most complete, more mature team. But they've got

958
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: defensive line clear, those edge rushers at Miami, and to me,

959
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: the offensive line controls that game. That's the way they

960
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: win it. If they win.

961
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: Their physicality also stands out, like this has to be

962
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: they have to make it a violent, physical game, and

963
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: they've done that. Never remember, I don't think people are

964
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: respecting their path enough. The teams that they've knocked off

965
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: along the way really good teams that have kind of

966
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: prepared them for the battle. So if they can impose,

967
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: they will, much like I saw them do against Texas

968
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: and m and those things.

969
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can get effort. Yeah. If you look, they

970
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: both played very close games Ohio State, so I think

971
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: it's an evenly matched game. So I'm looking forward to

972
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: It should be a lot of fun. I don't really

973
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 2: have a call in terms of who I think wins

974
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: that I think, you know, there's more paths for Indiana

975
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 2: to win, but I do think there's away from Amy

976
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: to get this thing done. And I know it'll be

977
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: more Indiana fans there potentially than Miami fans because how

978
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: excited they are. But it is in their home stadium.

979
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: You talk about familiarity, Miami should be right at home. Yeah,

980
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: familiarity is everything in execution.

981
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: I will say this any of its execution is outstanding,

982
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: the way that they play, and they don't beat themselves.

983
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of lessons that other

984
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: college programs are going to learn. I think people that

985
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: kind of cracked the code a little bit on how

986
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: they're a two by two team. They're very static and

987
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of the Indianapolis Colts and

988
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: how we're going to be simple because we now know

989
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: all the answers to all of the problems. The more

990
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: variables we have i change information, the more difficult it

991
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: is to prepare.

992
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: I do think there's something too. There's simplistic approach and

993
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: the high execution that they're able to play with no doubt. Man,

994
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this one. Should be a fun

995
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: one tonight. I'll also say Buck, I'm getting close to

996
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: filing a mock draft here, getting close to filing my

997
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: top fifty. I have been jamming on players. I'm getting excited.

998
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: I didn't start you start talking about some of these

999
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: guys that we've been watching here. So that's coming up

1000
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: soon as we get into the real deep part of

1001
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: the offseason here. Yeah, that's what it is.

1002
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: It's a it's a goal each day to get x

1003
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: amount of players done, to look at all the stuff

1004
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: to get the top guys in. Now we've got to

1005
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: mix in some of the All Star Game. I got

1006
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: the East West coming up next week. You got a

1007
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: single Bowl coming up, and so that kind of takes

1008
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: us on a little bit of a detour. But yeah,

1009
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: talking about these top guys and getting ready for it.

1010
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: I feel great about it because gonna be upun process.

1011
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Uh, the quarterbacks may not be the headliners that we

1012
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: like to talk about or whatever, but I still think

1013
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: it's a good draft and you write off so you

1014
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: tweet about it every year.

1015
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: Wide receivers, God dang man, every year. I mean it's

1016
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: and you don't even know, like who a lot of mars.

1017
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: You go through it and you watch tape, I'm like,

1018
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 2: he's like he's a starter. Like it's a second that's

1019
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: a second round player right there, wa next guy. I

1020
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: mean it's a little different size, but it's a second

1021
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: round type player.

1022
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: A million of them, right, Like like where are all

1023
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: the kids baskets like Casey except you know, like like

1024
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: pass ketches, pass catchers go lower that are out there

1025
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: and look, men, this one to talk about. Yeah, we'll

1026
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: get into it, all right. That's going to do it

1027
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: for us to hope you guys enjoyed it.

1028
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: We do have a got a forties and free agency

1029
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: thing coming up here with Rosenthal, so we're kind of

1030
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: going through the off season stuff, talking about your little

1031
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: primer about salary cap space, free agency stuff, some draft stuff,

1032
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: so Buck, we got you know, we're at Rosenthal in

1033
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: on the game here a little bit on the off

1034
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: season stuff. But it's been fun. It's been fun. He's

1035
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: got to put out his free agency list, so that's

1036
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: always good conversation. All right, We'll see you next time

1037
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: right here on Movi The Sticks