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Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton show, the cold hand

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Speaker 1: of Winter begins. It's march across the country. Much of

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Speaker 1: the East Coast soon to descend under the veil of

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Speaker 1: winter's cold, hard grasp, except for buck Sexton and people

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Speaker 1: in the state of Florida, where it's going to remain

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Speaker 1: super warm. Florida not participating in this cold blast. We'll

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Speaker 1: have some fun with that. We've got a loaded show

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Speaker 1: for you. A Tricia McLaughlin from DHS, she's a spokesperson there.

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Speaker 1: Brendan Carr, the Commissioner of the FCC, and Mary Margaret

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Speaker 1: Olahan who is a reporter at the Daily Wire and

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Speaker 1: was with jd Vance in Minneapolis yesterday. All of those

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Speaker 1: things to come, Buck, Are you shivering yet in Miami?

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Speaker 2: I just I have word to bring you all from

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Speaker 2: my fellow South Floridians in solidarity with those of you

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Speaker 2: who are about to be turned into snowmen. We are

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Speaker 2: going to put socks on our flip flops. We're really

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Speaker 2: going to just be there for you. It might even

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Speaker 2: get a little sweaty for us, but we'll be thinking.

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Speaker 3: About you this weekend.

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Speaker 1: That I can promise you, Buck in Nashville. We have

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Speaker 1: managed to end up, as we always do, right on

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Speaker 1: the line where we're either gonna get rain, sleet, ice,

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Speaker 1: or snow, and no one can predict exactly which of

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Speaker 1: those four is going to happen here beginning early tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the color map, Nashville is just

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Speaker 1: kind of a mix of four different colors with the

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Speaker 1: different weather conditions. So I am monitoring that situation closely positive.

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Speaker 1: Let me get into a couple of positives. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: keep saying this for a little while because I think

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Speaker 1: it is so outstanding, and very often great news receives

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Speaker 1: limited amount of attention. We have hit in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: under President Trump, with this law enforcement pro background that

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Speaker 1: has suffused the entire federal government, we have hit a

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five year low for murder per

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Speaker 1: capita in the United States. No one alive today has

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Speaker 1: ever lived in a United States that is safer than

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Speaker 1: it is right now. And this is such a profound

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Speaker 1: story that even the New York Times had on their

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Speaker 1: front page of the newspaper today. Buck as I was

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Speaker 1: doing my reading prep, I do it so you don't

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Speaker 1: have to an article saying that we have hit one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five year low in murders in the

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Speaker 1: United States. They did have a paragraph buck where they

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Speaker 1: said Trump does not deserve any of the credit for this. However,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course, because God forbid that you give

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Speaker 1: credit to the president who has spoken out in favor

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Speaker 1: of driving down violent crime more than almost any president

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Speaker 1: I can imagine, and then has followed through and we

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Speaker 1: have seen a collapse of violent crime. But the New

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Speaker 1: York Times says, well, this had really nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with Trump. This was and by the way, they keep

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Speaker 1: referring to COVID disrupting all sorts of things in America

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Speaker 1: to explain why there was a sudden surge in murders,

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Speaker 1: instead of saying BLM told everyone that police were awful

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Speaker 1: and we didn't let police do their jobs for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. So it's all COVID disruptions and people

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Speaker 1: can't really figure out why there was a spike. But

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Speaker 1: the front page news one hundred and twenty five year low.

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Speaker 1: But it is interesting how the narrative they won't acknowledge

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Speaker 1: basic truth.

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Speaker 2: I remember arguing with people online, you know, on TV wherever,

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Speaker 2: during the during the COVID pandemic after George Floyd. They

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Speaker 2: had sainted George Floyd. Of course, they were arguing that

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Speaker 2: at them and say, so, you think that at a

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Speaker 2: time when human beings are seeing each other less than

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Speaker 2: Of course it was all a lie. We're not idiots.

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Speaker 2: We know what happened. What happened was that people were

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Speaker 2: And then there were more you know, drug turf wars,

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Speaker 2: more cops not wanting to do their jobs, all because

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Speaker 2: national racial reckoning speaking of race politics, Clay, a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a turn here. But I do have to

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Speaker 2: ask you, so have you seen this movie Sinners?

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Speaker 3: But I saw to be fair.

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Speaker 1: I watched college football in the NFL all during football season,

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Speaker 1: so I miss everything. But I know the movie came out,

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Speaker 1: and for people who don't know, the Oscar nominations came out,

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Speaker 1: of of Sinners relative to nominations.

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Speaker 2: Here, Sinners is the most OSCAR nominated movie of all time,

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Speaker 3: Now, I have not watched them.

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Speaker 2: This is the conundrum that I face here everyone, because

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Speaker 2: Carrie and I actually tonight it's we're having a sort

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna try to watch a movie. I'm making

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Speaker 2: I'm like, do I watch this? Do I watch some

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Speaker 2: of this movie? Beyond what I already know about it?

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Speaker 2: What I know about it is that it's a movie

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Speaker 2: essentially about It's like a vampire movie, but there's a

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Speaker 2: The cast is overwhelmingly black, the bad guys are white,

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Speaker 2: and white racism is very much like a big theme

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Speaker 3: Like that's what I know about this. So now we're

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Speaker 2: Pretend that this movie about the evil white people trying

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Speaker 2: to you know, it's like, what was that movie with

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Speaker 2: Key and not Key and Peel? But oh no, what

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about? Get out about the

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Speaker 2: white family. That's like trying to steal the guy's black.

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Speaker 2: One of the worst pieces of crash I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: In my life. I actually did it mine. I actually

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Speaker 3: get a movie Clay is.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you guys, this Clay is a wise

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Speaker 2: fellow on many things, and he did nail his pick

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Speaker 2: with the National Championship Game. However, play your movie takes. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I got to get that movie. I didn't think that

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Speaker 2: we would sign an agreement. There is no So let's

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Speaker 2: go back in time because I remember getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of heat for this when I said it. I said

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Speaker 2: Black Panther was a mediocre superhero movie. And I see

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Speaker 2: like superhero movies. And I went and watched Black Panther,

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Speaker 3: Just watched it's a good movie. I'm sorry. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: It was an average superhero movie that Marvel made, and

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Speaker 1: it was treated as if it were a cinematic masterpiece.

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Speaker 3: And if you just said anything like what I said for.

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Speaker 1: Those of you who are Marvel movie hero watchers, or

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Speaker 1: if you just like superhero movies.

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Speaker 3: Blade. I think we talked about this Blade with Wesley Snipe.

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Speaker 1: Ballad today infinitely better black lead superhero movie than Black Panther.

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Speaker 1: But Blade was back when people were saying and you

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Speaker 1: this is good or it's not, and you didn't suffuse

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Speaker 1: everything with identity politics.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you this, this is important. A

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Speaker 2: long time ago in Nigeria, when I was on assignment there,

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Speaker 2: I went to the Wesley Snipes VIP Lounge true story,

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Speaker 2: it was actually affiliated with Wesley Snipes or did they

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Speaker 2: just use his name.

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Speaker 2: There was a big oil painting, a full oil painting

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Speaker 2: Snipes like he was kind of in the room and

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Speaker 2: he had been there, he had been there one time. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he had been there one time. This was in a

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Speaker 2: Boojia the Capitol and he they love him so much

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Speaker 2: there that they just said, they're like, we're renaming the

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Speaker 2: So you guys are saying, when I say that I

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Speaker 2: mean I'm I'm Wesley top to bottom. I love that guy.

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Speaker 1: So the movie Blade, and I think they made a

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Speaker 1: Blade too or whatever, they were good. The reason why

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Speaker 1: this Sinners movie got sixteen nominations the most in the

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Speaker 1: history of Hollywood is because Hollywood is desperate to prove

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Speaker 1: that they aren't racist, and they will wildly overrate anything

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Speaker 1: that black filmmakers and black actors are involved in. That's

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Speaker 1: the reality. It's purely identity politics. Now one caveat buck.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are far fewer movies being made,

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Speaker 1: movies is bumped up. Because what's the Leonardo DiCaprio movie.

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Speaker 1: It also got fourteen nominations. I didn't see that one either. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm way get off my lawn about movies than you

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Speaker 2: are like you're You're like it was like reasonably entertaining.

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Speaker 2: I love to throw hate at bad movies because there

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Speaker 2: used to be amazing movies. They stop making good movies

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Speaker 3: I mean it was a little corny, but it was

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Speaker 2: Every movie made over the last fifteen years has been

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Speaker 2: were growing up. Okay, Sinners Clay the most nominated movie

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Speaker 2: pick your favorite you know, people like deer Hunter. I

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Speaker 3: I you know, pick your favorite movie for me.

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Speaker 2: It's like Braveheart and Saving Private Ryan, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Gladiator and those kinds of movies. This is how they

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Speaker 2: describe Sinners, a vampire horror set in the Mississippi Delta,

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Speaker 2: critiquing systemic racism, white supremacy, and the insidious nature of

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Speaker 2: white cultural appropriation. Portraying vampires. I'm reading this off of Google,

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Speaker 2: portraying vampires as metaphors for white exploitation that praise on

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Speaker 2: black culture and dreams. I mean, am I suppose this

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Speaker 2: thing is obviously garbage, it's some woke nonsense. Am I

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Speaker 2: critique it? Or am I just like this is like Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: I knew Hamilton was crap, but.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to watch it, and I think

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Speaker 1: you have to give us a review on Monday.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin Date Night because I'm actually

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Speaker 1: and and ultimately come up. But I do think you

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Speaker 1: need to watch it. I haven't watched it, but it's Look,

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Speaker 1: here's an easy way to say this. What would happen?

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Speaker 1: What would happen if you and I decided we wanted

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Speaker 2: They made people like afraid, afraid to walk around the

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Speaker 2: like the lack of gratitude for all of the great

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Speaker 2: First of all, Carrie won't do she won't do vampire

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Speaker 1: So vampires simply have destroyed vampire movies now, because what's

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Speaker 1: from Leanne my favorite movie from eighty seven, Lost Boys,

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Speaker 1: All right, Linda, light them up, Linda, you got a

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Speaker 3: Tell me what you want to do to Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: What is the last great movie, Linda that you win,

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Speaker 1: What is the last movie that you like? What's your

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Speaker 6: Absolutely not. You can give me the lighter and I'll

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Speaker 3: Light them up, Linda. Great to hear from you, Linda.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Clay and Buck World, Linda, I think there's a huge

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Speaker 1: and we'll ask Trisia McLoughlin about this at the top

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Speaker 1: of the next hour. But they were conducting a raid.

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Speaker 1: The dad of the five year old fled the raid.

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Speaker 1: And when the dad of the five year old fled

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Speaker 1: the raid, Ice had an option. We can either leave

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Speaker 1: a five year old on his own, or we can

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Speaker 1: bring the five year old into custody to try to

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Speaker 1: take care of him. And they have attempted to say

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Speaker 1: this is a sign of a five year old being arrested.

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Speaker 1: I think this will fade as well. But if you

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Speaker 1: are at all active in paying attention to left wing

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Speaker 1: Democrat talking points right now, a lot of them tried

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Speaker 1: to trot this five year old out as the new

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Speaker 1: face of the anti ICE resistance. The fact that none

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Speaker 1: of these stick, I think buck is actually evidence that

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Speaker 1: ICE by and large is doing a pretty good job

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Speaker 1: in a very difficult situation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it also shows you that there is a

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Speaker 2: desperation to come up with some kind of narrative in

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Speaker 2: addition to the Renee Good shooting, which I think is

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Speaker 2: fizzling for them because in part the church storming it

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Speaker 2: was just moronic.

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Speaker 3: It was just such a stupid thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Of all the possible ways to do some kind of

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Speaker 2: left wing a linskiite street agitator nonsense, running in and

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Speaker 2: shouting at a bunch of people in a church. By

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Speaker 2: the way, they don't even know if the people in

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Speaker 2: the church agree with them or not. They just figured, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're in a Christian church. You're not out there with us,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna shout at you. I mean, it couldn't

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Speaker 2: have been any dumber. It's a very low IQ move

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Speaker 2: across the board. So now they want something else. They're saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: they arrested a five year old. No, they took a

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Speaker 2: five year old into custody because the father abandoned the

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Speaker 2: five year old when he was going to be taken

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Speaker 2: into custody himself.

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Speaker 3: So this is the same thing. You know.

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Speaker 2: It turns out there are plenty of people out there,

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Speaker 2: plenty of situations Clay where when they take you into custody,

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Speaker 2: if you have children with you, they also have to

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Speaker 2: take care of the children. They're not going to leave children.

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Speaker 2: And then they can arrest on the side of the

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Speaker 2: highway and you have a two year old in the

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Speaker 2: back seat. They're not gonna leave the two year old

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Speaker 2: there going to at least arrange for family or they're

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Speaker 2: going to take into custody. But they're not taking into

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Speaker 2: custody the five year old to interrogate him. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: not putting him in some cell and saying you know,

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Speaker 2: you're facing twenty five to life.

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Speaker 3: They're just making sure the kid is safe. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean the fact that they are so desperate

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Speaker 1: to try to find someone to point to is evidence

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Speaker 1: that they have not been able to attack what has

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Speaker 1: become probably the most popular thing that Trump is doing

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Speaker 1: is the deportation of illegals, and it continues to actually

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Speaker 1: poll pretty well.

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Speaker 3: So I think Democrats are getting desperate.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they chose not to focus in any

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Speaker 1: way on the individuals who were arrested inside of the

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Speaker 1: church is I think also further evidence that they know

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the people who they are trying

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Speaker 1: to make the central focus of opposition here are not

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Speaker 1: great figures to sort of crystallize that opposition. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, eight hundred and two two to two and

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Speaker 1: a two, it is Friday. We try to take as

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Speaker 1: many talkbacks and calls as we can during the course

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Speaker 1: of Friday, and so I encourage all of you to

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Speaker 1: load up the lines, grab those iHeart apps and give

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Speaker 1: us those talkbacks, and we will play as many of

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Speaker 1: them as we possibly can.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, so let's not talk about gold own in. Gold

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Speaker 2: isn't reserved for the wealthier financial insiders. It's for everyday

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Speaker 2: Americans like you and me who want financial security with

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Speaker 3: We've talked about the growth of gold's value.

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Speaker 2: It was up over sixty percent last year, It's up

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Speaker 2: nearly fifteen percent in the first three weeks of this year,

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Speaker 2: and amazingly, it's been up over seven hundred percent in

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Speaker 2: the last twenty years. You know, there are forces pushing

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: As promised, we're joined by Tricia McLaughlin, Assistant Secretary of

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Speaker 2: Homeland SECRETI.

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Speaker 3: Tricia, thank you for calling in, Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: How are the operations going, specifically in Minneapolis? Are we

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Speaker 2: continuing with much of the same plan. When are we

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Speaker 2: going to have a sense of numbers of those detained

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Speaker 2: and possibly in the process of deportation. Just if you

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Speaker 2: could bring us up to speed on immigration enforcement efforts

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Speaker 2: in the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, we're not being deterred. Our officers are still on

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Speaker 5: the ground carrying out their lawful duties. We're about thirteen thousand,

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Speaker 5: excuse me, three thousand illegal aliens who have been arrested.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, you guys have to listen to some

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Speaker 5: of the guys we picked up just yesterday. An individual

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Speaker 5: from Mexico convicted for criminal sexual assault, an individual from

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Speaker 5: another individual from Mexico drug trafficking, an individual from Laos

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Speaker 5: is convicted of murder, another individual from Laos a female

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Speaker 5: who was convicted of homicide. These are the criminals that

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Speaker 5: we're going after. And as much as Walls and Jacob

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Speaker 5: Fry don't want the American people to know that we

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Speaker 5: are going after the worst the worst and getting them

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Speaker 5: off of the streets. And there's a very simple, easy

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Speaker 5: solution here, which is that they could actually let us

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Speaker 5: into their jails and make sure that the one three

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Speaker 5: hundred and sixty criminal legal aliens who are sitting in

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Speaker 5: their custody today does not get released back onto their

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Speaker 5: streets to commit more crimes against Americans.

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Speaker 1: Trisia, I appreciate you joining us. Can you tell us

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Speaker 1: the background on the five year old story that Democrats

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Speaker 1: tried to make the new focus of their anti ice protests.

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Speaker 1: What happened there, what is significant and what should our

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Speaker 1: audience know from your perspective about that story.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, first and foremost, this father, he abandoned his

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Speaker 5: five year old son when he was fleeing from law enforcement.

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Speaker 5: So our law enforcement officers approached this illegal alien from

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Speaker 5: Ecuador and that's when he darted off without his child,

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Speaker 5: leaving his child out in the cold, and our officers

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Speaker 5: they stood there with the child and made sure the

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Speaker 5: child was okay, actually brought him McDonald and played him

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Speaker 5: some of his favorite music, and they tried, They made

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Speaker 5: multiple attempts to bring the child into the custody of

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Speaker 5: the mother, who refused, and our officers even assured her

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Speaker 5: that she would not be taken into custoday. So the

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Speaker 5: mother is abandoning the child, the father is, and so

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Speaker 5: our law enforcement made sure that the child was safe

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Speaker 5: and warm, and now the child and the father are

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Speaker 5: in Dellay detention facility and they're back together.

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Speaker 2: So, Tricia, what we see is a lot of focus

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Speaker 2: on these operations really in Minneapolis and perhaps the broader

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis metro area. Are there a lot of places elsewhere

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Speaker 2: in the country with similar deployment of resources given the

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Speaker 2: size of the city, or is the resistance that ICE

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Speaker 2: officers have come up against in Minneapolis so much more

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Speaker 2: severe that you've had to put a lot more manpower

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Speaker 2: just to be able to conduct the lawful mission.

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Speaker 5: You're exactly right. That is why you have such a

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Speaker 5: large footprint in such a visible presence of ICE and

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Speaker 5: CBP officers on the ground, is because we don't have

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Speaker 5: that state and local law enforcement backing. So when I

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Speaker 5: mean people can look on at the images that are

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Speaker 5: being put out as far as law enforcement is being assaulted,

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Speaker 5: there is real violence against them, impeding an obstruction while

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Speaker 5: they're carrying out their lawful duties. We still need to

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Speaker 5: make these arrests and get these criminals off of the streets.

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Speaker 5: So that's why we've surged resources there. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: if you look at the juxtaposition between what's happening in

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Speaker 5: Minnesota when there's been about thirteen thousand arrests, and then

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Speaker 5: you look at it in total, and then you look

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Speaker 5: at somewhere like Florida where there's been over forty thousand

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Speaker 5: arrests and yet you don't see riots, you see peace,

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Speaker 5: you see calm. And then you look at Texas where

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Speaker 5: we also have state and local law enforcement who are

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Speaker 5: actually coordinating with us. Again, you see peace, calm, you

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Speaker 5: don't see riots. That's about thirty five thousand. It really

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Speaker 5: goes to show you how if there's state and local

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Speaker 5: law enforcement that will actually let us in their jails

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Speaker 5: and actually give us back up when we call if

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Speaker 5: our law enforcement are being assaulted or impeded, it's a

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Speaker 5: lot better for the public and it's a lot better

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Speaker 5: for all of these communities.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Trishamo McLaughlin. Good news that came out

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five years or low in murders

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Speaker 1: according to Axios, according to The New York Times. How

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Speaker 1: much do you think that is attributable partly to the

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Speaker 1: work that DHS is doing and helping to get violent

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Speaker 1: predators out of our country. It doesn't seem coincidental to

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Speaker 1: me that the border gets shut down and suddenly murders

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Speaker 1: plummet to a level that truly has never occurred in

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Speaker 1: the history of our nation, basically in the life of

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Speaker 1: anyone today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no coincidence. We've arrested eight thousand gang members

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Speaker 5: just in this last year alone, off the streets of America.

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Speaker 5: We've arrested over fifteen hundred known or suspected terrorists off

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Speaker 5: of this streets. I mean, I get the reports every

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Speaker 5: single day, the scores and scores of child pedophiles, convicted murders,

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Speaker 5: people who are wanted for human rights abuses. We have

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Speaker 5: a worse the worst website. We want to give ultimate

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Speaker 5: transparency to Americans. It's Wow dot DHS dot gov. It's

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Speaker 5: searchable website. Go see who has been walking around with

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Speaker 5: impunity committing crimes in your neighborhood, and who gauge US

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Speaker 5: law enforcement has risked their lives. Take it off of

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Speaker 5: your streets. I think this is low and murder is

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Speaker 5: completely because of the President actually work to enforce the

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Speaker 5: rule of law and s law enforcement has in a

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Speaker 5: phenomenal job in getting these criminals off of the streets.

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Speaker 2: Fisher, I don't want to put you on the spot

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Speaker 2: too much, because you know, I know that there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of numbers one could ask, or so anything you

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Speaker 2: can do to just give us some sense of the

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Speaker 2: scale would be helpful. But something that I'm curious about,

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Speaker 2: do you have some estimate of either how many let's

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Speaker 2: just take homicide, for example, how many of the illegals

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Speaker 2: that have been arrested and or deported were people that

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Speaker 2: had been convicted previously of murder, or how many of

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Speaker 2: them are actually still at large in the country. I mean,

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Speaker 2: are we talking about hundreds of murderer illegal aliens? Thousands

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Speaker 2: of murder illegal aliens? I mean, I just want to

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Speaker 2: get some sense of what these numbers look like.

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Speaker 5: Thousands who have been victed in the United States of America.

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Speaker 5: But keep in mind how many these people are wanted

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Speaker 5: for crimes in their own country or a third country,

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Speaker 5: and so they wouldn't have a rap sheet in the

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Speaker 5: United States. But they still are criminals. They've just are

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Speaker 5: at large fugitives from their own nations.

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Speaker 3: I just this is really important.

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Speaker 2: You just said that thousands of the illegals, so they're

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Speaker 2: supposed to not be in the country in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Thousands of the ones that ICE is is now detaining

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Speaker 2: and putting in the process to deport have been convicted

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Speaker 2: of murder here, so they're illegal aliens who committed murders

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Speaker 2: in America.

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Speaker 5: That's correct. I mean, we're talking about one hundreds plural

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Speaker 5: in just Minneapolis alone.

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Speaker 1: My lord, when we run through all of this, we're

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Speaker 1: talking to Tricia McLaughlin. Are you genuinely stunned that Democrats

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Speaker 1: have decided that their entire basis as resistance to Trump

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Speaker 1: two point zero to a large extent, has boiled down

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Speaker 1: to we're going to try to keep ICE agents from

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Speaker 1: deporting people who are illegally here, many of whom committed

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Speaker 1: violent crimes. I mean, just I know you've got the

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Speaker 1: job that you do, but when you pull yourself back

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Speaker 1: and look at this, does it ever just strike you

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Speaker 1: as absolutely bonkers that this is the hill that the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party has decided they're going to die on.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's disheartening it just purely as an

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Speaker 5: American because I see these individuals, these criminal, illegal aliens,

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Speaker 5: who our law enforcement is risking their lives to remove,

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Speaker 5: and yet these Democrat politicians all they do is continue

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Speaker 5: to vilify and demonize our law enforcement time and time again.

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Speaker 5: So I think that there's a degree of Ice hysteria

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Speaker 5: that the Democrats have tried to manufacture. But I do

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Speaker 5: think that they're a rudderless politically, and they continue to

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Speaker 5: put politics ahead of public safety and this is kind

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Speaker 5: of the same recipe that they had in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think they've learned any lessons from it.

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Speaker 2: How is the morale of the ice officers that are

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Speaker 2: engaged in these operations. There's clearly a broad effort both

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Speaker 2: with people going up to them in person but then

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Speaker 2: in the media to defame them, to call them all

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Speaker 2: kinds of names. I'm just wondering, if you could speak

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Speaker 2: to how are they holding up under this and how

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Speaker 2: is DHS leadership trying to support them as they're conducting

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Speaker 2: their lawful operations.

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think right. I mean, they are spacing

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Speaker 5: one thousand percent increase in assaults against them. We're seeing

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Speaker 5: these rampant vehicle rammings against them as well. Their families

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Speaker 5: are being targeted, where their spouses work, where their children

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Speaker 5: go to school, massive amount of docsing about eight thousand

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Speaker 5: percent increase in death threats against them. So I will say,

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Speaker 5: of course that just on a human level, of course,

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Speaker 5: that takes a toll. But I do think with our

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Speaker 5: law enforcement officers at DHS, they know that they have

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Speaker 5: a president and a Secretary of Homeland Security and Christynome

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Speaker 5: who actually has their back. They didn't have that with Biden.

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Speaker 5: They sure as heck didn't have that with my workers,

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Speaker 5: who would continue to demonize his own men and women

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Speaker 5: in law enforcement. So I do think I've been on

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Speaker 5: the ground of Minneapolis, Gosh, quite a few times here

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Speaker 5: in the last week or two, and I do think

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Speaker 5: that people understand the mission. They put their head down,

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Speaker 5: they go to work, they know that they're carrying out

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Speaker 5: the law, and they know that they're saving really countless

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Speaker 1: Tricia, we appreciate the time. We know how hard you

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Speaker 1: guys are working, and we'll look forward to talking to

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Speaker 1: you again and keep up the good work.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, grateful to be on with you.

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Speaker 1: That's Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security for Public Affairs, Tricia McLaughlin.

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Speaker 1: FCC Chairman Brendan Carr, who sent a letter to many

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Speaker 1: different media companies relating to the shows that they put on,

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Speaker 1: particular early shows like The View or the late night

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Speaker 1: doctrine would be applied, how news would be classified.

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Speaker 3: He joins us.

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Speaker 1: Now I appreciate the time, Chairman Carr, Can you just

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Speaker 1: kind of give us an idea what that letter said

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Speaker 1: and what the intent behind it was, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: dive into it a bit.

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Speaker 7: Well, going to be back with you, I mean, look,

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Speaker 7: as you know, you know broadcast television and it's not

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Speaker 7: a Sam brouck Us. Radio are sort of fundamentally different

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Speaker 7: than any other forms of distributing program, whether it's a

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Speaker 7: podcast or soapbox or a cable channel. In Congress long

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Speaker 7: ago said that if you're a broadcast TV station, for instance,

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Speaker 7: and you're going to host one political candidate for office,

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Speaker 7: there's a specific statue that talks about equal time, equal opportunity,

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Speaker 7: and that has to be given to an opposing candidate.

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Speaker 7: And it's not about, you know, censorship or shutting down debate.

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Speaker 7: It's fundamentally about making sure that that unique access that

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Speaker 7: broadcasters have to this valuable public resource spectrum isn't being

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Speaker 7: put to the parouson advantage of a Republican or a Democrat.

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Speaker 7: And so all we did was simply remind people that

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Speaker 7: maybe you forgot or maybe people have been misreading sec

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Speaker 7: precedent and they just broadly think that every late night

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Speaker 7: show and daytime talk show is considered bonafid news. Because

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Speaker 7: if you are a quote bonafide news program, then you're.

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Speaker 3: Exempt from that.

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Speaker 7: You don't have to give people equal time. But it

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Speaker 7: looks to me that over the years people have misread

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Speaker 7: that and they've just assumed that every single you know,

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Speaker 7: late night and daytime talk show is in fact a

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Speaker 7: bonafid news program, you know, even when in many cases

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Speaker 7: it's not going to be found to be.

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Speaker 2: So what would happen, Chmisier Carr, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. What would happen in the case of, say

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Speaker 2: one of these programs if the designation is that, if

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Speaker 2: your FCC finds that they are not a bonafid news program,

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Speaker 2: then I assume they'll fight it. What does that look

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Speaker 2: like and what ultimately is the enforcement mechanism for the

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Speaker 2: FCC views as the way the law actually should be applied.

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Speaker 7: Here, there's a number of pretty clear remedies that will

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Speaker 7: be available to the SCC. So you may remember, in

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Speaker 7: the run for the last presidential election, comcast NBC put

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Speaker 7: on Vice President Harris and candidate Harris on SNL the

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Speaker 7: Sunday before I believe the Tuesday election, and the law

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Speaker 7: had actually been clear at the time that SNL was

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Speaker 7: not a bonafide news program. So what they had to

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Speaker 7: do was file and notice with the FCC that they

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Speaker 7: gave time to a candidate, and that allowed other people

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Speaker 7: then seek equal opportunities. And I think at least at

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Speaker 7: some extent they did give time to other candidates, and

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Speaker 7: so here they would have to file that type of notice,

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Speaker 7: and if they didn't, you know, the FCC could effectively

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Speaker 7: provide relief to make sure that the broadcaster does in

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Speaker 7: fact give what they call comparable time comparable placement. If

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Speaker 7: they don't, if there's a pattern of disregarding that SEC rule,

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Speaker 7: then that becomes a problem for them in terms of

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Speaker 7: the underlying license itself. So it could be anything from

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Speaker 7: some sort of injunctive relief that makes sure everyone gets

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Speaker 7: equal treatment. It could be fines by the SEC or

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Speaker 7: ultimately if you go to the underlying license itself. And

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Speaker 7: one thing that's so interesting to me is if you

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Speaker 7: look at the reaction to the SEC taking this decision,

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Speaker 7: it seems to be voices on the left and politicians

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Speaker 7: on the left that seem to be outraged by And

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Speaker 7: I think that's kind of telling, like, again, we're not

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Speaker 7: saying put all Republicans on or put all democrat on.

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Speaker 7: We're saying, how about equal time? And there's at least,

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Speaker 7: you know, one side of the political aisle that seems

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Speaker 7: to be very upset with it, which I guess means

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Speaker 7: maybe they think that they've been getting more than equal time.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: The View, I would contend is not a bonafide news program,

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious how you would analyze this. But you

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Speaker 1: may or may not know this, and we're talking to

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Speaker 1: FCC Commissioner Chair Brendan Carr. So the View came out recently.

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Speaker 1: One of their hosts did and said, well, the reason

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Speaker 1: we don't have conservative guests on the show is no

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Speaker 1: conservatives will come on the show. So when that story happened,

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Speaker 1: both Buck and myself said, we are happy to go

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Speaker 1: on the show. We've never been invited. We actually affirmatively

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Speaker 1: reached out to the producers of The View through our

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Speaker 1: producer sent them emails in notifications saying we're happy to

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Speaker 1: come on. We've got a pretty successful radio show, decent

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Speaker 1: little platform here. They never responded, So I actually think

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Speaker 1: that's kind of very interesting here as you analyze, and

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Speaker 1: I think your letter or the writeups of the letter

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Speaker 1: have pointed out that almost all of their guests are

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Speaker 1: left wing. They have almost no conservative viewpoints. In your mind,

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Speaker 1: is the View a bonafide news program and should they

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Speaker 1: be able to have on one hundred of left wing

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Speaker 1: prognosticators and politicians and never anybody providing the other side,

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Speaker 1: given that they air primarily on ABC, which is a

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Speaker 1: broadcast channel.

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Speaker 7: Well, we certainly haven't seen any evidence put before us

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Speaker 7: to establish the case that they are in fact bonafide news,

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Speaker 7: and so I'd be happy to have them file a

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Speaker 7: petition to try to seek that status that they want.

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Speaker 7: It'd be interested to see what type of evidence they

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Speaker 7: put forward. But if you look at the history of

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Speaker 7: the SEC's approach to this, when they look at these

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Speaker 7: individual programs, and the SEC asks under our case law,

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Speaker 7: they motivated by partisan political agendas or are they truly

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Speaker 7: out there engaging in sort of newsworthy discussions? And if

873
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 7: you're putting ninety eight Democrat candidates on in one or

874
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 7: no Republican candidates on, you know, it's going to be

875
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 7: a pretty uphill fight to say that we're just out here,

876
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 7: you know, bringing people on for newsworthy value as opposed

877
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 7: to pushing one particular partisan ideology.

878
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: And so, now, what what are the next steps that

879
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: you're going to be taking in the FCC, Like, how

880
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: does this proceed? How does uh? You know, there's clearly

881
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: a new sheriff in town at the end of the

882
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: Biden administration, a new approach to things. So what can

883
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: we expect in the months ahead from the FCC, pardon

884
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: me doing its duty.

885
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 7: One is, we want to make sure that you know

886
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 7: candidates that are out there. If you see an opposing

887
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 7: candidate that's on any one of these, you know, daytime

888
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 7: or nighttime talk shows, you should raise it to the

889
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 7: FCC so we can make sure you aga if you're

890
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Speaker 7: a Republican or Democrat or independent or whatever, that you're

891
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 7: getting your statutory right to equal time. So one, we

892
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 7: want to make sure people are keeping an eye on

893
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Speaker 7: this as candidates, and we are going to be prepared

894
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 7: to step in if we're seeing, you know, candidates again

895
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Speaker 7: from any political persuasion on a show that's not in

896
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 7: fact bonifi news or is fake news or whatever the

897
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 7: whatever the opposite of Bonifie News is, and then we're

898
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 7: prepared to step in at that point and make sure

899
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Speaker 7: that the statutory requirements are followed.

900
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Speaker 1: Brendan, last night, your good friend Jimmy Kimmel in his monologue,

901
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: I've got a quote for you here. I want to

902
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: let you let you hear it because he addressed this

903
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: letter in this controversy until this week when Trump's little

904
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 1: ferret in the FCC, Brendan Carr, who, as you know, yes,

905
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: you are the little ferret in the FCC, who, as

906
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, is doing everything he can to shut us up.

907
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: Quote.

908
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: The easy way of the hard way is trying to

909
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: say we no longer qualify for the bonafide news exemption

910
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to interviewing candidates, which is a sneaky

911
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: little way of keeping viewpoints that aren't his off the air. Okay,

912
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: So that I'll let you respond to that in a moment.

913
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Speaker 1: So those are the quotes, but let's just say that

914
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Fallon, I think

915
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: those are the three primary late night news hosts that

916
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: they have on regularly Democrat candidates, whether it's Kamala Harris,

917
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, whomever it might be. Doesn't it seem if

918
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: they are going to get a bonafide news exemption that

919
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: they should also then have sometimes Republicans on if they're

920
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: if that's going to be considered an exemption. What am

921
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: I missing here? And what do you think about being

922
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: called a quote? Trump's little ferret.

923
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 7: I think that's pretty fun and makes you think I

924
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 7: should change my ex my Twitter profile to be a

925
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 7: ferret with some sort of you know, FCC hat on it.

926
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 7: That's probably one of the funniest things I've seen coming

927
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 7: out of Late Night in a while. I didn't see that. Actually,

928
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 7: I fall asleep well on my own, so I don't

929
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 7: need to watch that program to fall asleep at night.

930
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 7: But look, you know, stepping back, if you know, if

931
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 7: you're fake news, you're not going to get to be

932
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 7: qualified as you know, a bonafide news program at the FCC.

933
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 7: And again this is just like coursed up. It goes

934
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 7: back to the nineteen fifties. It's many many decades old

935
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Speaker 7: that if you want to be a bodified news program.

936
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Speaker 7: To your point, you got to give you know, Republicans, Democrats,

937
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 7: independent equal time. And my view is not, you know

938
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Speaker 7: that we need to keep the ball, you know, through

939
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 7: the sports analogy, at the fifty yard line at all

940
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 7: times on all issues, like you know, over some period

941
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Speaker 7: of time, maybe keep it between the forties the thirties,

942
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 7: But if you got the ball the five yard line

943
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 7: for years and years on end, I think it's hard

944
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 7: to make the case that you're fulfilling your licensed obligation,

945
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 7: which is to respond to and serve the needs of

946
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 7: your licensed community. They get. Remember, these are programs that

947
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 7: are being generated in New York and Hollywood and then

948
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 7: disseminated local communities all across the country. I think it's

949
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 7: important for these you know, licensed local broadcasters to have

950
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 7: a feedback loop to say to New York and Hollywood, like,

951
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 7: this isn't quite the right fit for our community. Like

952
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 7: it's okay to be like, you know, partisan in some cases,

953
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 7: it's okay to be like really edgy and to be

954
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 7: you know, means of Republicans and Democrats like, no problem,

955
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 7: but you know, over some period of time to reflect

956
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 7: your community. I think it can make the argument of

957
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 7: a G and you know, the ball between the forty

958
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 7: at some point here.

959
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much this is going to be

960
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: impinged in the FCC universe. But obviously the biggest media

961
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: story writ large is Netflix and Paramount both trying to

962
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: buy Warner Brothers Now. Paramount obviously has CBS. The Netflix

963
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: purchase would not necessarily include CNN, and as you've talked

964
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: about broadcast networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, different rules apply there.

965
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: How much role, if any, does the FCC have in

966
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: looking at that potential acquisition And also there's another one

967
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: out there, the potential acquisition by ESPN of the NFL

968
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: network ESPN has ABC. How much concern from you is

969
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: there and sort of the media consolidation that you're seeing,

970
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: and is there a role in either of those for

971
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: the FCC or is the broadcast connection less significant? So

972
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: that's not really as much in your.

973
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 7: P Yeah, on Netflix in Warner Combining in the main

974
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 7: that's going to be before the Department of Justice. There

975
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 7: could be a small piece related to the competing bid

976
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 7: from Paramount that there could be some additional investment in Paramount,

977
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 7: which does have broadcast licenses that we would take a

978
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 7: quick look gap and I've already seen some of the

979
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 7: information on that, and that doesn't look like there's any

980
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 7: secy hurdles at all. You know, they'd just be taking

981
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 7: out some additional what we call, you know, sort of

982
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 7: bonifide debt. But I do think underlying I've heard a

983
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 7: lot of concerns. You look at Netflix, they have you know,

984
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 7: three hundred million or some odd number of subscribers. I

985
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 7: think they've grown in a lot of ways organically, which

986
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 7: is great for them, but you combine that with some

987
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 7: of the streaming services that they would get through the

988
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 7: Warner deal, there's been a lot of concerns raised from

989
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 7: sort of a concentration and a competition perspective there. Certainly

990
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 7: the Disney ESPN, NFL deal that would be DJ I

991
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 7: haven't tracked that one as closely. There may be some

992
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 7: concerns there. And in terms of concentration, it's a challenge,

993
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 7: you know, again taking batches to the broadcast space. You've

994
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 7: got comcasts, NBC, You've got Disney which is ABC. You know,

995
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 7: over the last decade or so, they've a mass, tremendous,

996
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 7: tremendous amount of power. And so one of my north

997
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 7: stars and media policies, how do we make sure that

998
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 7: the licensed broadcasters that are actually out there in the country,

999
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 7: how do make sure they have a better position to

1000
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 7: stand up with and compete against those we call the

1001
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 7: national programmers Comcast in Disney, And that's kind of underlying

1002
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 7: a lot of the work we're trying to do with

1003
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 7: the FCC.

1004
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Is it also the big challenge here because I'm fascinated

1005
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: Buck always kind of like jokes about it.

1006
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: I love media more than anything.

1007
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: Is it One of the big challenges here that as

1008
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: the CBS and the NBCs and the ABCS and even

1009
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: the Foxes lose overall audience and the streamers take over.

1010
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: To your point, if suddenly Netflix owns HBO and the

1011
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: streaming audiences are becoming so massive right where most people

1012
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: are spending their time on streaming, it creates a world

1013
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: where the broadcast networks, which are heavily regulated, have almost

1014
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: no impact in our larger discourse frankly in the years ahead,

1015
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: and cable in streaming takes over and there's limited, if

1016
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: any impacts for the larger you know, sort of governmental

1017
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: affairs community which cared so desperately.

1018
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: Like on this.

1019
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Program, where we are, we're regulated by FCC. Traditionally, the

1020
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: FCC has regulated where Americans have gone to consume media.

1021
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: In the future, the FCC's impact and just the larger

1022
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: governmental impact is minimal, and the overall power of these

1023
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: streamers is continuing to grow. That seems fairly significant. Long range.

1024
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, look, the sense

1025
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 7: that everything is moving what we call over the top,

1026
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 7: we're streaming. We had, you know, some basic regulatory guard

1027
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 7: rails in these other areas, whether it was traditional cable

1028
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 7: or traditional broadcast, you know, the guardrails aren't present with

1029
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 7: respect to to streaming. But to your point two, I

1030
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 7: think one of the biggest bogies coming down the pipe

1031
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 7: is the contracts for carrying these sports leagues, particularly the NFL.

1032
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 7: Right the NFL contract with broadcasters are going to come

1033
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 7: up I think in the next two years. That's a

1034
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 7: really really significant fork in the road. I mean, let's

1035
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 7: say a substantial portion of those NFL broadcast rights, who's

1036
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 7: going traditional free over a broadcast TV go even further

1037
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 7: behind the paywall of the streamers right of Amazon, Hulu

1038
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 7: or a paramount wherever it goes. That's interesting in terms

1039
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 7: of both what does it do the economics of broadcasting.

1040
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 7: They're not bringing those eyeballs anymore that want to see

1041
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 7: the NFL. But also wasn't to me for the NFL

1042
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 7: from almost an ini trust perspective, is taking it behind

1043
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 7: the paywall? Is that change the analysis in terms of

1044
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 7: Congress giving that anti trust exemption to them. But if

1045
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 7: you want to think about, you know, what's a big

1046
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 7: interesting fork in the road in broadcast The expiration of

1047
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 7: the NFL TV broadcast rights coming out in the next

1048
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 7: two years is a very significant.

1049
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Speaker 1: Event, super interesting. We know you're busy. We appreciate the time.

1050
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Speaker 1: Happy to have you on any time, and good luck

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