WEBVTT - On Thin ICE 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.600 Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:05.279 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.520 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.080 Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode eighty three of Native Lampod, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.800 where we give you our breakdown of all things politics 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.960 and culture. We are your hosts. I'm Angela Raie. This 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.280 is Andrew Gillham, and sadly, our dear sister Tiffany Cross 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:23.840 is out. She got a bug. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.520 The bug got hurt Andrew, she got a bug, y'all. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.720 Lifter and prayer and such and such. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.600 Yes, please do that. Well, while we're lifting things up, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.519 let's make sure we also lift up some facts. So, Andrew, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.919 I was thinking, well, before we get into what we're 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.280 talking about, what are all the things we're talking about today? 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.440 I mean, I think this is everything we're talking about today, 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:49.080 is the chaos being precipitated by the President of the 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.199 United States in one of the fifty states of this country, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:01:00.680 and the frankly indescribable harm that he's deliberately causing. You know, 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.720 some weeks ago we had sort of borrowed this phrase 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.160 that cruelty is the point, and it just keeps resurfacing 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.399 in my mind every time I think about this administration, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.880 what is doing, what it feigns to be doing, right, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.640 what it tells people is doing, and then the actuality, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.119 like what's really going down? I mean, and these people 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.080 for so much of what they undertake cruelty is the 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:24.600 point of it. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.839 Yeah, yeah, well we are talking about that. We're talking 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.240 about these ice raids. We can't talk about what's happening 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.319 in LA. It's happening all over the country Tangry's point, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.200 but we're talking about LA. This week we have Mayor 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.640 Karen Bass who will join us to talk about everything 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.119 that's actually happening in LA. Don't believe everything Fox News 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.160 tell you, or don't believe anything at all. And then 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.800 I also think it's important that we get into this 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.840 black migrant or these black migrant related issues. We've been 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.520 having this argument with our audience over and over again, 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.280 and we really think it's important that you all don't 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.120 just hear from us, but you also hear from the 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.520 Black Alliance for Just Immigration. And I want to make 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.760 sure that I said that right. Yes, look at go Ahead, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:20.080 Black Lives for Just Immigration, and we have their executive 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:25.799 director joining us today. Nana Gamfi is the executive director 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.840 for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and I'm hoping 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.840 that Lolo or somebody can confirm that I pronounced her 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.760 last name correctly. Lolo for the win, thank you so much. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.520 It's Nana Jumfi who will be joining us. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.639 I don't know that the audience, I don't I don't 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.320 know this has been an argument with the audience written large. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.040 I think that there are within our community a lot 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.040 of folks who are still sort of processing and dealing 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.480 with the outcome of the last election where the narrative 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.840 had really taken hold that Hispanic Latino communities did not 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.320 vote for Kamala Harris. And I think we've been trying 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.680 to unpack some of those results and that kind of thing. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.640 And I think while we're doing so, there is some 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.480 scar tissue that has to be dealt with, has to 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.040 be recognized in some cases maybe has to be healed. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.800 But I think by and large, you know, our listeners 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.560 are our hip to the fact that a lot of 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.920 times the black community has looked at and called upon 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.200 to not only be you know, in the in the 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.000 case of the Congress, the conscience of the Congress, or 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.800 in the case of greater society, the good that's often 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.520 looked to to sort of bring the moral code and 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.360 to to wear and carry that moral code for everyone, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.520 regardless of who's in the who's in the cross hairs. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.280 But when black people buy and large find themselves in 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.640 the cross hairs, we're looking to our left and our 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.600 rights and we all we can see. And I think 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.000 that's playing out in some in some fashion here, not 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.320 amongst everybody, but I do think on some fashion here. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.000 Yes. And one other thing that we really think is 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.200 important is this insurrection, this language versus protesters lingualgs. We'll 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.320 get into that, but before we get going too much, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.080 we want to remind you that if you like this show, 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.200 I know you like this show. I know you like 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.240 this show, and you want to support us. We know 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.760 you want to support us. The easiest way is to 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.800 give us a rating, leave a comment, and text an 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.360 episode to a friend, which I do all the time, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.240 or just tell somebody about Native Lampid. Thank you, and 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:25.799 we're going to get it going. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:26.640 Let's good. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.160 If there's an insurrection, I would certainly invoke it. We'll see, 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:37.480 but I can tell you last night was terrible. The 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.560 night before that was terrible. If we didn't get involved 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.720 right now, Los Angeles would be burning, just like it 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.680 was burning a number of months ago, with all the 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.719 houses that were lost. Los Angeles right now would be 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.160 on fire. And we have it in great shape. I'm 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:53.960 not playing around. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.040 Will you determine whether or not there is an insurrection. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.600 Well, you take a look at what's happening. I mean 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.720 I could there were certain areas of that of Los 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.400 Angeles as that you could have called it an insurrection. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:06.839 It was terrible. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.279 But these are paid insurrection to These are paid troublemakers. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.040 They get money. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.039 Okay, so let's talk about paid insurrectionists. I don't know 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.919 if you saw this, but Andrew, there was a sign 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.480 up on like a telephone pole in LA where protesters 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.520 are being warned that there are right winging extremists going 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.720 into community to like recavoc well, just like they did 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.960 during the George Floyd protests, and they use that those 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:41.800 those agitators to create and stir up more mess. Those 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.599 are probably the same people that I don't know. We're 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.800 on the Capitol on Capitol grounds on January sixth. They've 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:52.000 been pardoned and given permission to continue this work insurrection 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:57.520 is a violent uprising against an authority or government. And 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.279 I think that when you loosely use the term carelessly 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.839 use the term irresponsibly used the term, that is part 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.360 of the problem, you know. So I want to talk 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:14.839 about briefly this idea of insurrection versus protest and how 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:19.680 this administration is honestly dangerously conflating the two. So I 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:20.720 want to know your thoughts. AG. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.680 Yeah, I mean, for for real, it's a deliberate and 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.800 dangerous complation, certainly by the lawyers amongst the group who 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.000 ought to know better. I mean, I really do think 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.280 that Donald Trump perceives any affront to him, any attack 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.279 on his person, his name, meaning an insult or a 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.240 contradiction to something that he says. He really believes. I 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.680 think in his minds that he is the government and 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.480 the government is him. He thinks he's already living in 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:54.160 an autocracy where if you challenge the quote leader, you're 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.479 challenging the government. But he isn't the government. He is 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.720 not at all the government. He happens to be the 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.559 head of a branch, but he's not the government him 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:07.039 and of himself. But what I think, Angela is he's 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.640 setting the predicate case for the point at which he 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:17.120 chooses to invoke the insurrection powers, which go beyond just 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:22.280 deploying the Marines and deploying or federalizing the state's National Guard. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:27.440 It then gives those entities, the Marines as well as 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.560 the federalized national Guard, the powers to basically take on 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.880 all police powers. It's it's saying two things. It's one 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.000 saying that the government that exists in this place where 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.040 the insurrection is taking place is not capable of dealing 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.080 with the insurrectionists, which, by the way, I just got 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.520 to say, I find it so it's not even funny. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.560 It's just it's like the world is playing topsy turvy 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.640 with us. That this is a man who could not 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:57.840 bring himself to call the individuals who attempted to stand 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.960 in the way of an act of Congress, an actual 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.400 act of Congress, to carry out a function or responsibility 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.040 and counting to the electoral votes when he was in 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.920 the crosshairs. That wasn't an insurrection. But protests where people 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.920 are literally just trying to have their voices be heard, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.440 petitioning their government, is all of a sudden an insurrection. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.240 It doesn't it doesn't make sense, but I know what 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.000 he's doing. And I think we all have to be 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.880 hip to the game that what the President is attempting 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.560 to do is ease our ears for listening purposes to 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.280 the words insurrection, so that when he declares the insurrection 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.280 powers of the Constitution, that nobody is scared by that, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.960 that nobody flinches by that, because we've heard the term 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.160 already planted and used by this president. But I pray 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.120 that we will resist the urge to believe this guy. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.520 He's not telling the truth. All he's attempting to do 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.680 is a mass more power for his own use. Angela. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.040 It's a real sick game that he's playing, and it's made, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.199 in my opinion, all the more sick when you hear 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.680 Pam Bondi and other lawyers within the administration doubling down 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.880 on this nonsense. I would think they would know better, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.000 But I have to tell you, Pam Bondi was Attorney 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.960 General of Florida. I've yet to see her brilliance on display, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:21.120 so I can't even say that that, frankly, she knows 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.040 what she's talking about. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:28.480 Yeah, yeah, And I think that here is the crux 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.360 of the issue, getting back to the Insurrection Act, because 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:36.200 I think that we sometimes can throw things around expecting 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.239 that people know what we're talking about. So the Insurrection 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.040 Act is a he's of legislation that was signed into 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.679 law in I don't know, eighteen oh seven is what 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:52.600 it says. So this was before slavery was over. This 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.920 federal law gives the president the power to deploy the 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:03.480 United States military and to federalize the National Guard in 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.920 response to an uprising right, and so the President keeps 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:13.440 threatening to utilize this Insurrection Act anytime somebody disagrees with them. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.360 So there were are four thousand National guardsmen already deployed 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:23.040 and seven hundred Marines that were sent to la and 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.440 to respond to protests that were like within a two 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:31.440 block radius. And so what happens is for people who 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.760 are already upset, whose family members who have been disappeared, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:40.439 whose friends have been harassed and intimidated and arrested by 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.480 people who aren't even showing their faces. Y'all don't know 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.000 if you've seen some of these images. We don't have 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.200 any proof that these are actually law enforcement officers. It 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.640 could be Joe Blow from the middle of Indiana, which, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.719 if y'all didn't know, is the home of the foundation, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.880 the founding place of the KKK. They could be from there, right, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.160 So deploying troops, he's already actually utilizing and relying at 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.960 least what is allowed and called for in the Insurrection 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.480 Act of eighteen oh seven. And it is extreme. It 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.960 is very extreme, and it is a provocation for those 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.880 who are already experienced in the harm. So I think 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.040 that we have to consider what the outcome of this is. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.360 If this is a provocation and it is an advancement 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.320 of I know that you're peacefully protesting, but which is 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.600 your constitutional right, But I'm going to go ahead and 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.720 call you an insurrectionis so that I have additional outsized 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:41.200 powers to intimidate you, to threaten you, to jab you, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.640 to get you to react in an outsized way, so 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.480 that when you react, the consequence will be on the reaction, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:49.200 not on the provocation. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.800 Right. And Angela, just because I appreciate you pulling us 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.880 back to make more clear what we're talking about with 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.880 regard to these laws. Right now, the President in his 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:07.800 administration have not given clear yet directives to the National 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.720 Guard or the Navy seals that are on the ground. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.880 Yet there's a reason why they're holding back by the way, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:20.360 on giving clear written or otherwise expressed instruction, it's because 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:25.440 the governor, supported by Mayor Karen Bass, have basically said, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:32.080 please pull back your federal federalizing of the National Guard, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.839 and you're sending in of these troops because we have 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.800 the capacity to handle the issues as they exist on 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.360 the ground, as they present themselves without instruction. The National 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.120 Guard nor the Navy Seals are allowed to detain or 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:52.120 arrest individuals given the powers that they are acting on 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.760 right now. They're not acting on the insurrection powers of 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.160 of of the United States. They've been federal by the 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:08.960 president and they basically are occupying a show of force mission, 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.800 which is they are there in person, but what they're 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.679 allowed to do is very constricted under the laws as 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:19.000 they exist right now. If the President moves this thing 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.600 another step further, as you called the provocation, we of 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.720 course i'd love to hear obviously the mayor's opinion on this, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.240 but I think it's pretty fair to say that it's 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.400 the actions that the president is taking that is making 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.520 the situation on the ground more dire. So he's not 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.480 acting to alleviate pressure, he's not acting to bring down 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.960 the pressure as it exists on the ground. His actions 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.840 are intentioned to ratchet up the pressure, ratchet up the heat, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.559 to ratchet up of the conflict. The governor is saying that, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.000 the mayor is saying that, and they'll say, we have 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.600 the capacity to handle the issues that are currently on 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.679 the ground. As the reason why I think it's important 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.120 for other mayors and other governors other states to really 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.600 be on guard about this is because the president can 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.200 attempt this kind of a takeover anywhere in the United 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:16.400 States of America. Today it's California, it's Los Angeles. Today 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.640 it's the state of California. But tomorrow, should protests pop 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.640 up in the state of Florida against what he's doing 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.040 and how he's going about doing it, he could assert 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.760 the same kind of excess of power that he's using 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:35.280 in California. None of us are absolved from this, and 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.280 I think that's something that the American people really have 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.600 to reckon with that. You may not like the state 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.000 of California. You may dislike what you consider to be 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.440 liberal policies of California, But do you like where you live? 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.800 Do you like the values that you all hold dear, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.840 the Constitution that you believe you are abiding by and 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.480 if you do, how would you like it if the president, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.680 because you disagreed with him, decided to fail federalize your 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.520 state's national Guard and send in federal troops American troops 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.520 who have for all intended purposes. And this is no 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.400 disrespect to the troops themselves because they are under orders, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:17.200 but they have no business whatsoever patrolling American streets. And 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.680 this provocation could get out of control if it's not handled. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.720 I think with greater levels of respect and deference to 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.680 the state leaders and the local leaders that have been 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.360 elected for purposes such as this. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.560 And I think that here's here's a really another good 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:41.120 point on this. Andrew David Huerta is an s c 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.560 i U is the s CiU California President and also 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.760 president of s c i U us w W. And 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.520 on Friday of last week, he went to he went 0:15:54.560 --> 0:16:02.440 to protest, yes, the wrongful attention of all of these individuals. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.320 They're also rounding up folks who are citizens by the way, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.120 and have green cards, some of these folks, and so 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:15.480 he went to protest near the workplace where an ice 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:24.440 ray was being conducted. He was charged with a felony 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.840 for impeding the work of a federal officer, just for 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.320 standing in the way. He was tackled to the ground, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.040 he was detained. When Congressman Maxine Waters went to check 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.960 on him, the door was slammed in her face. I 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.320 was worried, as somebody who's a former staffers, the way 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.040 that her hand was. I was so worried they were 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.400 going to slam her hand in the door. And I'm 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.320 bringing this up to say, if we work backwards now, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:53.880 Andrew right, so La SCIU, President David Huerta, New Jersey. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.280 So now we're cross coasts around these ice rates. New Jersey. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.880 You have Rasbaraka, the mayor of New Work, New Jersey, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:06.840 arrested on city land, not on the private land of 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.880 the facility they've been using to hold folks for ice 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.199 detention purposes. And you have Congresswoman Lamanica mc iver who 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.760 has been indicted on federal charges as well. If you 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.720 look at our positions of power and the folks who 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:28.800 would be best suited to challenge this administration without the 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.119 fear of retribution, they are now hitting all of those places. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.920 So the one place that we haven't seen yet is 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:42.040 state legislators or county elected officials. We haven't seen additional 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.199 civil rights or folks yet, at least not that we 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.280 know of. Maybe that has happened, but it's not made 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:51.760 national news. So what they're doing are saying, if you 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.359 fight back against what we're doing, even though you know 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.320 it is a violation of the law, you know that 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:02.480 it is unconstitutional what we're doing, we are going to threaten, harass, 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.720 harm and silence you. So what does that do to 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.480 the lay person? Right? It makes you feel like you 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.520 don't have a voice. If the people you normally turn 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.480 to for guidance for talking points, for what social media 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.600 graphic to put up, for what to say, for what 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.119 to do, for where to organize are getting arrested, what 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:21.680 do you do? 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.320 Yeah, yeah, right. You attack on the leadership is deliberate. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.280 It's basically to say that you have no cover no 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.639 matter where you are or who you are. And by 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.919 the way, Angelau and I are not defending folks because 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.439 of what titles they hold, and we're talking about what 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.720 jurisdiction they have. Members of Congress and their oversight capacities 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.720 can go on any one of these grounds of where 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.919 these facilities are housed, and they can conduct inspections and 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.359 wellness checks. It is within the law, it exists within 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.160 their capacity as members of Congress. And in the instance 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.560 of the mayor of Newark, we were talking about a 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:07.240 facility that has no legal license to operate in his city, 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.879 no certificate of occupancy issued by the judicial, by the 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:17.240 municipal government who has jurisdiction. And beyond that, he wasn't 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.119 even across the line onto federalized property or anything else 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.080 to have to have undergone the kind of treatment where 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.560 he is. But your your, your, your, your point is correct, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.399 which is this is the chilling effect. They mean to 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.760 say that I don't care who you are, you have 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.600 no quarters within this country. So long as Donald Trump 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.680 is president, we can get you wherever you are. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.560 Okay, that's a really good point, Andrew. Let's stop here. 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.240 We're going to go to a break, and after the 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.879 break we are going to welcome Mayor Karen bass. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.199 He welcome home, y'all. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.919 I'm coming to you from the streets of Los Angeles. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:10.600 This is area where La County, LA City, and a. 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.600 Little bit of the city of Inglewood converge. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.120 And as you can probably see behind me on the streets, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.960 what's going on not much. 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.400 Looks like this is as usual, and from. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.560 What I understand, this is the condition in most of 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:29.040 the city. So what you're seeing on the news is 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:34.080 really limited to area downtown and the area in a 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.879 neighboring city of Paramount and a little bit of confident 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.840 from what I saw, which are not in the jurisdiction 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.040 of the City of Los Angeles and therefore not jurisdiction 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.400 of mayor Baths. 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:52.399 So sorry traffic noise, but that's part of the story. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.320 So as you can see, it's. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.760 Nowhere near what it was like in nineteen ninety two, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.639 the silver hair and it's there in President nineteen ninety 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.840 two in the streets, and this is not anywhere near 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.000 the kind of situation where we have the National. 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.920 Guard out, in my opinion, So. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.560 I took that from what's real from the front line. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.080 All right, welcome home, y'all, Thank you, I appreciate everything. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.960 Into well. Today we are joined by I call her 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.199 Congresswoman Bass. All the time, she is not in Congress anymore. 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.080 She has a full other job that. 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:34.400 Is keeping elevated Angela. She's now, yes, yes. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.760 She's very very busy. Mayor Karen Bass, who is doing 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.320 the work of the Lord on the ground in LA. 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.359 And so we want you to come in and Miss 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.720 Bass if you could just tell us what is happening 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.320 in LA, what is right, what is wrong, so we 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.879 can collect, just correct all of the misinformation out there 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.560 and get into what you think our audience can do 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:58.560 to support y'all. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.679 Thank you, thank you, thank you. First of all, what 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:06.640 is happening our raids from ice that is causing havoc 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.080 not just in the city of Los Angeles, but in 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:13.040 our surrounding region. And we don't know when, where, how 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.360 that this is going to take place, but it has 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:20.760 spread a blanket of fear and terror amongst the immigrant population, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:26.160 which as you know, is a significant percentage of Los Angeles. Now, 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:29.480 having said that, at the end of some of the protests, 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.040 you have the stragglers who have nothing to do with 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.679 the protests who have been who have committed acts of 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:40.040 violence in the form of vandalism, breaking in the stores, robbing, 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.679 and so I initiated a curfew yesterday from eight pm 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.320 to six am that's going to go on every day 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.800 until we are past this. The problem is that we 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.200 don't know when we're going to be past it, because 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.920 all we have are rumors from Washington. 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:55.800 D C. 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.840 We don't have any concrete information. There isn't a letter 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:03.439 I have that says that we're going to conduct raids 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.800 in your city for the next thirty days, but that 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.600 is the rumor. Now everything has been fined. Our local 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:14.600 police departments the Los Angeles as well as regionally, have 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.199 been able to handle things. You know that the White 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:22.760 House intervene, took power, seized power from the governor, and 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:27.080 federalized the National Guard, brought them here with big fanfare. 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:32.360 He even claimed that they had successfully eliminated the violence 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.800 Saturday night, when the troops didn't even arrive until Sunday afternoon. 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.200 But we know this. This is kind of a familiar playbook. 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.480 Now he is talking about sending in the Marines. The 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.280 National Guard that is here is just guarding one building, 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.399 the Federal Building. There is nothing else for them to do. 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.480 Now he's going to bring in Marines at the cost 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.439 of one hundred and thirty million dollars to taxpayers. That 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.639 is money that we could use to prepare for the 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:02.160 World Cup, which will be here in one year. So 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.600 this is the situation that we are facing. We have 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:11.399 a very well established and respected immigrant rights institutions and movements. 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:16.040 They have conducted protests. Those protests have been peaceful. It 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.240 is what has happened afterwards that has created a narrative 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:24.560 of this is citywide. This is really relegated to about 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.720 five blocks in downtown Los Angeles. It isn't even all 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:29.600 of downtown. 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.520 Mayor. As a former mayor myself in Tallahassee, Florida, I 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.320 observed two weeks ago where ICE agents came in and 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:43.600 began arresting folks on work sites, detaining people on work sites, 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:49.720 and it drove really the entirety of our community, not crazy, 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.960 but mad with anger that the place where we call home, 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.760 a community that reflects the values of the folks who 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:02.080 live here, had been all of a sudden corrupted, bastardized, 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.240 made to look like we replaced that we were not. 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.400 And I got to believe, with the way in which 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.680 this president seems to have it on for the state 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:16.600 of California and maybe likewise for Los Angeles, that that 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.880 everything that he's doing, every step that he's taken as well, 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:26.199 is intentioned around turning up this this this uh, this 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.640 this atmosphere of chaos and lawlessness, when in fact, if 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.400 I am to perceive what I'm seeing on television properly. 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.199 It seems like the only agents of chaos are the 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.920 ones that he's introducing. Are we getting something wrong about that? 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.000 As as viewers who are you know, removed and remote 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:46.480 from California but are watching these scenes play out. For instance, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.760 you tell us that you're talking about four or five 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.639 blocks of downtown, not even the the the the the 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:55.560 entirety of it. You're you're talking about thousands of troops 0:25:55.600 --> 0:26:00.480 that are now federalized uh uh, Navy seal you know, 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.160 a term that all of us know well as fierce fighters, 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.879 but abroad, not here in American cities. I just wonder 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:12.520 what is this supposed to look like when raids come down? 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.639 And then basically, how do we jux suppose that against 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:15.240 what we're seeing? 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.600 Well, you know, I have been saying that I feel 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.000 like we're in a laboratory in la We are a 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.880 part of a great experiment. If they can do this 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.719 to the nation's second largest city, then in green lights 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.520 everywhere around the country, and of course we know the 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:33.239 focus will just be on democratic cities. So you have 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.400 soldiers who I hear are here in the vicinity. They're 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.000 not in the city of Los Angeles. I've heard them 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.359 move around a little bit. I have no idea what 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.679 they are going to do here because there isn't anything 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.760 to do, and again the expense and what could be used. 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.199 But remember when the administration started, the deportations were going 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:59.800 to be a hardened criminals, violent people, drug dealers, gang members. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.520 I'm hard pressed to say a street vendor selling popsicles 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.399 or fruit is a threat to anybody. Are a customer 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:11.000 at a car wash, a father who's there with his 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.399 son gets snatched and now his son is alone to 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.600 figure out how to deal with the car and the family. 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.480 Or seeing people chased across the parking lots at home 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.880 depot or outside of LA chased across the fear fields 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.800 in agricultural areas, I don't know how that relates to 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.199 the vision that was created before. I think it's all 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.080 about the numbers now, and I think they're using us 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.080 as a test case. I think the nation is responding 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.560 where you saw. You know, protests take place in different cities, 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.840 But this is an egregious overreach. This is a solution 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:51.720 in search of a problem. Thursday, last Thursday, everything was 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.440 peaceful in Los Angeles. Nothing was going on Friday when 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.560 the raids happened. That's when you had a problem in LA. 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.360 So this was a problem that was forced on us. 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.280 We didn't request it, and it has resulted in some 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:11.960 very negative consequences. Most importantly is to the families, the parents, 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:17.000 the kids who are separated to our local economy. Angela 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.840 knows that LA can't function. There are sectors of LA 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:25.719 that cannot function without immigrant labor. And the stories that 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:30.360 you hear my grandson's elementary school, Ice agents showed up 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.040 outside of the school and they what people believe is 0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.880 they might have thought it was graduation, because I will 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.920 tell you graduations were a point of fear for people 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.680 around the city because that's a primo place to pick 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.720 up a people. You know, our parents who are dropping 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.320 off their kids or picking up their kids. You think 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.520 about the impact that this is going to have on 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.280 our economy, the way immigrant labor is what sustains the 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:57.800 city and makes the city great. 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:00.560 You know, Ms mass I want to I want to 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.600 go to this clip of the Attorney General Pam Bondi 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.360 because I think what she is saying and what she's 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.800 provoking without fact is dangerous. But I want you to 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.640 be able to respond to this. Let's row that clip. 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.040 Law enforcement. They need to have their hands untied where 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.520 they can do their jobs. Right now, in California, what 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.120 we're doing is working by bringing in the National Guard, 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.880 by bringing in the Marines right now to back them up, 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.640 to protect our federal buildings, to protect the highways, to 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.520 protect the citizens. So right now in California, we're at 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.520 a good point. We're not scared to go further. We're 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.000 not frightened to do something else if we need to. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:42.440 They're not doing anything. 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:48.640 They are protecting one federal building and to back us up. 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:53.360 We didn't ask for backup. These California Highway patrol protected 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.680 the freeways last night. What the worry is there is 0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.560 people going and blocking the freeways. 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.240 None of them protest. 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.080 We were yes, we were able to handle it all. 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:08.200 So this is just complete fiction and that's what's scary. 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.520 That's scary suspiction. Then what more is coming? But I 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.960 do have to center this always in the raids. What 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.760 is going to heal our city is to stop the raids. 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.600 It's an alternative reality, and I don't know how people 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:30.640 who otherwise live in the real reality make steps to 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.280 keep their community safe. When this kind of ratcheting up come. 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.440 I mean, you hear it in her voice and her 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.920 disposition and what they're trying to deliver the American people, 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:44.040 this this notice of ratcheting up. And what I think 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.520 I hear you saying, Mayor, is the ratcheting up is 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.080 what's putting all of your citizens and. 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:56.160 Harms way, ratcheting up something that didn't need to take 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.800 place to begin with. You want to talk about something 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.920 that makes people angry. That makes people angry when you 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:05.360 have relatives that we don't know where they are. They've 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.840 had no access to legal counsel, their families, members have 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.560 not been in contact with them. They don't know. Maybe 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.960 they've been sent off to Seacott, that horrendous prison in 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:20.600 El Salvador. Maybe they're Venezuela. Who knows, because they're sending 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.600 people to countries that they're not even from. 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.360 May I know your time is limited in Angela. I 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.680 will obviously yield to you for the last question, but 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.320 I am curious what advice do you have for the 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.760 rest of us spread out across the country. Who are 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.040 you know, in some cases pretty terrified about what we're 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.160 seeing and what we perceive could happen to us, Well, 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.480 how do we take how do we get information right now? 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.440 Well, I think that what exists here, I don't know, 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:50.480 you know if it exists other places, But what exists 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.959 here is a rapid response network, so basically, and the 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.000 community knows this community wide, so that if there's any 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:01.360 sightings of ICE, then they go to those locations. Just 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.840 to make sure that people know their rights, not to 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:08.640 interfere with federal officers, because obviously that would be a felony, 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.320 but to make sure that the people know their rights, 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.760 know that they should have access to a lawyer, know 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:19.640 that they don't have to cooperate. Those are basic rights 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:23.160 that exist in our country. So I think that's one thing. 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.040 And you know, we are fortunate, as I mentioned before, 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.600 to have a well well well established immigrant rights and 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:34.280 infrastructure people who've been here for four decades, and so 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.960 that's the main thing. And then I think always people 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.360 need to know history, the historical context for this. I 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.560 was on a zoom earlier and they were saying, well, 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:48.840 why aren't you convinced that the courts will be the backstop. No, remember, 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:53.200 in his first administration he shifted the courts. 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:53.480 You know. 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.440 So what we don't tend to do is no history 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.520 or remember history. Look at the Joe McCarry the era, 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.800 you know, I mean, there are historical references to this. 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.480 Look at you know what the Insurrection Act is. Make 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.840 sure that people understand what they're seeing. And I believe 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.200 they're testing the limits of this. You heard Stephen Miller 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:21.680 who repeatedly evokes the term insurrection insurrection. No insurrection happening. 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:25.320 Here, Yeah, but where there was an insurrection is bad 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:31.640 as I know. So when you think about what you witnessed, 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.760 what you experienced, the trauma of all of that, the 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.120 people who actually were harmed, the officers that they swear 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.920 to always protect and look out for. Back to blue 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.200 is what they say. When those things are actually happening. 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.840 Those folks are now pardoned and they're trying to erase 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.719 that from history. But the people who are protesting peacefully 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.840 because they have loved ones who are being impacted by 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.880 these completely uncalled for, gone to far ice raids. I 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.360 want to know what you tell the people the difference 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.800 between the power of protests and being labeled wrongfully as 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.920 an insurrection is. And then in the community. This is 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:11.560 a two parter that's kind of set for so I'll 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.239 try to remember the second part if you forget it. 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.080 In our community, black folks, miss bads, like, we need 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.560 to get through to our people so there's not this 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.399 divide around how to stand up for the right thing 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:25.759 to do even if you're if there's no immigrant on 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.799 your block or in your house or in your kids' school, Like, 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:30.640 what is the right thing to do? Isn't this the 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:32.440 right time to be coalition building? 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.400 One hundred percent? It's the right time for our city 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.799 to come together. But you know, I think that we're 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:43.280 fortunate there because I think everybody sees what's going on here. 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.040 So I'm not at this point worried about a divide. 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.439 But I'm also not naive either, which means sometimes even 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.279 when there isn't a divide, it can be created. And 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.840 I think that that's going to be really important because 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:59.120 this is not just a brown issue. There are tens 0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.640 of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of black immigrants 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:07.080 here from the Caribbean, from African countries, also from Central America. 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.000 I mean, I think a lot of times people don't 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.560 know where beliefs is, belies is. They predominantly blacked right. 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.480 It is in Central America, and so when we're talking 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.200 about Latinos, you know they're more black Brazilians than there 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.719 are black Americans. So you know, we need to understand 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.400 that this is our struggle as well. Thank you for 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.879 the opportunity of speaking with you. I'd love to come 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.040 back on again. It's wonderful to see both of you, 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.480 even if it's just in a box. 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:34.520 A box. 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.640 Tiffany would be here, miss basket and she got food poisoning. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:39.399 Oh well, it. 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.080 Was nice to see her on the Zoos the other day, 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.920 so please give her my regards again. 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.160 We're wishing you well, Mayor Keith, standing tall and strong 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.759 as you have already, you're exhibiting what it truly means 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:51.360 to be a leader. 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:52.160 I love you. 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:54.280 I love you back. 0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.880 Oh Man. Thanks again to Mayor care Bass for joining 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.560 us and correcting the record of everything that we're hearing 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.440 out there. After this break, we will be joined by 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:10.799 the Black Alliance for Just Immigration executive director. Her name 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:27.560 is Nana Jumpy. Okay, so I feel like we should 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.799 just keep this thing going and bring in Nana on 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.040 the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. I think what we 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.640 have to understand we could actually start where we just 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:43.080 ended with ms Bass around this idea of coalition and 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:48.680 what it means again. Nana Jumpy is the executive director 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.120 for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and we are 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:56.000 thrilled to have her join us to talk about ice raids, 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.920 what has happened in the almost a little over for 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.440 hundred days of this administration, and its impact on Black migrants. 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.839 They have a report out that we'll talk to her 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:11.319 about in just a moment. Oh, she's joining us now, 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.959 Nada hown you hear us and see how are you 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.480 really good? Did you? Were you able to hear the 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.120 interview with ms Bass? 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.799 You know, I jumped on and so I can hear 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.960 that absolutely, So. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.520 Can you help us because let's actually Andrew. If we can't, 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.400 let's go to some of these comments we get in 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:35.000 our thread about immigration. Do we pull those screenshots, Dereck 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.200 or Nick? Okay, So while you're pulling those, we're just 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.200 gonna get started. So now to talk about the need 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.239 for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. This is not 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.479 something that we hear about often. There aren't a whole 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.479 ton of black organizations in the immigration space talk about 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:52.200 the need for that. 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.560 So you know, clearly it hasn't been more critical than 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.880 right now. But the Black Alliance for Just Immigration was 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:05.960 started by a black diasporing crew, started by an African 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:11.040 American who Gerald Nonoir, who was the first executive director 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.839 for at least a decade, folks from South Africa, from 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:18.000 the Caribbean sitting down and understanding that black immigrants were 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:22.560 in a strange place where we're invisibilized in the immigration conversation. 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.120 If you say immigrant, people don't think of black people, right, 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:30.800 But we're also hyper visibilized if you look at who's targeted, 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.880 how we're targeted. As we see even more clearly in 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.920 this first hundred days up until now of this regime, 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.640 we see that black people, black immigrants are targeted and 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.360 it also ends up bringing in African Americans as well. 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.080 And so as we look at what's happening with the 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.960 immigration enforcement, we know that this is the tip of 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:57.440 the spear for what they're trying to do on the 0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:01.000 police state level. They would love for this really to 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:05.640 be the National Guard versus black folks. I think Minneapolis, 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.239 think Ferguson, and if they can move it that way, 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.840 they will, But they start with immigrants because they know 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:12.000 about all the divides. 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:19.080 Andrew Ifel, no, I just I'm so glad we went there. 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.920 I didn't know we go there so early. But the 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:29.360 imagery of black communities, black cities being descended upon Angela. 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.239 You talked a little bit earlier about one of the 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.760 characters in the Housewives. 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:41.040 Show where Portio Porsiae Williams X has been Simon was 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.160 deported get back to Nigeria. 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.560 That's right. So most folks who follow that show, you know, 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.319 a lot of Black Americans who follow that show will 0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:54.560 recognize him, obviously recognize her. And even that feels a 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.279 little bit abstract from us. But when you take it 0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.280 to its next logical conclusion, that the the scenes that 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.480 that Trump and his folks would love to see playing 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.040 out is is the big whip flash that they have 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.960 to to the rising up of of of our movement, 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.560 particularly as a response to the to to to what 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:20.000 occurred in Minneapolis during the quote unquote great awakening that 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.440 a lot of us thought was taking place. But I 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.200 almost hear every time when they discuss protests, the Ferguson 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:30.239 protests being sort of at the epicenter of what it 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.960 is that they that they that they reject and would 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.720 like not to see happen again. They weren't talking about 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.560 brown folks them, They're talking about us. They they want 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.719 to they want to see our voices silence. And I 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:44.720 just wonder, how do we break through to make clear 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.680 that we're part of the We're part of the target here, y'all. 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:51.200 Our community is in part the. 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.360 Target, absolutely, And I think there's two things, two ways 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.480 to do that. Number One, we are not separate in 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.360 terms of black immigrants and African Americans. Right, if you 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.879 look into the world, even of culture, we all out 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.799 here shaking it to Bernard Boy and all these folks, right, 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.680 we are looking at folks like it's a Ray who 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.360 has a parent who's from Senegal who was an immigrant. 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.320 We're looking at people who are in our athletic world 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.640 right across all the different sports, across the genders of 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.880 sports that we have. We're looking at people who are neighbors, 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.279 who are co workers, so people are married to who 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:31.040 people are dating. This you know, twenty percent of black 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.040 people in this country are either immigrants or the child 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.120 of immigrants. This is not a small crew like in 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:41.200 the corner somewhere. We are together doing things together. And 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.720 so even if they decided to, yeah, think about black cities. 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.560 If they decided today that they were going to go ray, 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:51.040 that Ice was going to go into black communities to 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.239 search for black migrants. Man, that Angela, you could be 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.359 from somewhere else, right, Andrew, you could be from somewhere else. 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.560 Like, there's nothing to say. They're not stopping in as people. 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.880 They're grabbing up brown folks and black folks now without 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:06.520 asking citizenship questions. 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:06.759 Right. 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.279 They had people in the basement in LA and the 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.359 Federal building who were citizens who they grabbed up when 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.160 they were at the immigration court with their people who 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.400 were not citizens. Once they realized, oh, these people are citizens, 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.000 they didn't let them go. They said, oh, you're not citizens, 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.960 so we can't put you in detention prison, so we'll 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.040 put you in a basement and keep you there overnight. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:29.960 You think that can't happen to us. When they talk 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.759 about sending homegrowns to El Salvador and Jibouti, who are 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.479 they talking about. I promise you they're not talking about 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.360 Rittenhouse because they let him walk around here and do shows. 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:43.520 They're talking about us, and we got to declaimed about that. 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:47.080 That's right. That's right, and I think on this point, 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.800 you know, one of the things that I really appreciate. 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:54.840 I did a podcast the other day with Jeffrey Wallace, 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.000 who was one of our California leeds not on, and 0:42:58.040 --> 0:42:59.600 he was saying that one of the things that he 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:05.040 got from you actually was this conversation around not talking 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.920 about migrants through the lens of how it harmed the 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:12.600 economy through their labor, but through their humanity. And I 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.680 think I was like, Wow, I feel so much guilt 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.759 hearing that because I've been using it that way, because 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.040 I thought for the people who didn't have any empathy 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.800 or compassion around it, if it hit them in the pocket, 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.239 maybe I could get them there. But I'm like, dang, 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.040 we do kind of sound like we talk about slavery 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:29.920 when we say it that way. 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.680 Sure we do, absolutely, And this is actually the point 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.040 that I make with the larger immigrant rights movement, which 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.680 as you know, often shies away from the racial justice 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:46.000 conversation and certainly the anti blackness conversation, that there is 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:53.319 no one who's contributed more an economics labor than African Americans. 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:54.400 Hence, down four. 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.160 Hundred years, no one has contributed more and in that 0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.520 four hundred years people were still being the described as 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.839 chatnel or at best three fits of a person. So 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:10.600 your humanity to racist, your humanity to the foundational core 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.600 of this country is absolutely not based upon your economic labor. 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.040 You'll be essential during the pandemic. As soon as that 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.200 pandemic is over, they decide they ain't gonna raise your wages. 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.759 They don't care if you have housing, too bad for you. 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.799 On health care you're disabled, too bad for you, right, 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:31.600 because the real truth is that they don't value our humanity, 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.040 and so it's really important that we place that first. Yes, 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.920 obviously we contribute, all of us are contributing out here, right. 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.799 And as I tell folks, my parents wouldn't have come 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.680 here had it not been shiny enough right to come 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.120 over here, which is the result of what African Americans did, 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:53.960 the debt unpayable, okay, unpayable in terms of what immigrants 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.960 owe to African Americans in this country. And also we 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:03.120 need to understand that the original quote unquote illegal alien, 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:04.879 if you want to use that term, which we try 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.160 not to use, is the African dragged here and chained. 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:17.719 That's the original, and it's. 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:16.560 Well, yeah original. 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:22.839 They were the original, but not in their and their eyes. 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.879 They always belonged to here and their eyes, we are 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.360 the people that have always been the ones that don't belong. 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.400 And all the things that they're doing, whether it be 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.759 about DEI, whether it be about where they're trying to cut, 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.560 these attacks that they're putting on black folks, it's because 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.399 in their heart of hearts, as Malcolm X said, they 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:45.160 feel you're not an American. If you were an American, 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.200 they wouldn't have to do all these extra pieces. And 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.479 so that's another thing that we have to keep into 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:55.359 consideration that you know, as a captive people, there's still 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:59.480 a fight to be treated and seen as humans who 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.920 belong in this place. And so if it's hard for 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.359 African Americans, immigrants should not think we're gonna leap over, 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:09.360 you know, leap frog into the land of white milk 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.600 and honey. That's not what's gonna happen. We're not going 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.560 any further than our African American siblings, which is why 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:16.719 this fight together is so critical. 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.359 Non can you help, because I think you're hitting on 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:24.239 what sits at a lot of the disarmony when it 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.800 comes to Black Americans and how we right now feel 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:34.120 about frankly, Latino immigrants to the country as a result 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:38.600 of this last election, where many of us heard and were, 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:43.880 you know, over and undated with Latino men choosing Trump, 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:51.600 that you know, Latino women or Latino families harboring really 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:56.480 anti black sentiments expressing them out loud and clips that 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.399 were collected on social media or even through people's own 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:03.320 individual life experiences based off of where they lived Miami, 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.360 in some places South Florida and other places on the 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:11.759 West and Northeast coast. Those feelings that a lot of 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:16.359 black folks have of being mistreated and rejected and even 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.640 leap frogs in some ways aren't made up. For a 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.440 lot of folks. It's real, it's lived, it's it's real 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:28.200 experiential in their lives. What what are folks missing as 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.640 a part of that narrative? How do we how do 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.520 we get folks to get beyond some of those instances 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.200 to maybe have a different and maybe greater larger appreciation 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.359 for where the majority of Latinos may be, not the 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.000 ones that Trump and the media decide to hand select 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.920 out as being the representatives of those the majority representatives 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.480 of those communities, but the feelings are not made up. 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.120 They're hard come by, and when you have to deal 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:54.799 with it, is not enough to just say they share 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.040 our experience because we're close in color, and if it 0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.080 can happen and then it can happen to us, we've 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.680 got We've got to give our people. I think a 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.160 little bit more of an audience with their sentiment, with 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.200 what they're feeling here, I think as a way of 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.000 sort of bringing us onto the same page. I'm not 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:10.120 sure how you reflect on. 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:14.239 That there's a reason there's a Black Alliance for just immigration. 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:18.360 Can you imagine we're in the immigration world where people 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.800 talk about things without even considering how it impacts Black people, 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.239 whether they be migrant or African American, And even when 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.040 we bring it up sometimes they're like, oh, well, sucks 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.160 to be you, and they just keep moving forward with 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.560 the plans that they have, right, and so absolutely it's real. 0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:38.839 We feel that as black immigrants, we feel that as 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:43.200 African Americans, we have issues within that diaspora there as well. 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.960 Some things that I ask people to reflect on. I think, firstly, 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.520 I think it's important for us to understand and to 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.840 think about the fact that around the world, people do 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:58.399 not actually get history lessons on what has happened in 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.560 this country with black people both and with African Americans. 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:05.720 People just don't know. They barely know about what's happening. 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.040 For example, in Brazil, I know you all are familiar 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.480 with what's happening there. Black folks in Brazil don't get 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.480 history lessons on Brazil, let alone going all the way 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.439 across to the United States. So when you come here, 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.600 you come here without that information. 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:20.240 I mean Baji. 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.439 We started this program in Ghana called so you want 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.720 to be in America. So we go down during ducky 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.880 December and we do various workshops to talk to people 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.560 about Yes, here are the avenues that come to the US. 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.759 But know how difficult it is because you're black. And 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:37.880 when you get to the US, you're going to be 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:39.759 this thing you've never been before. You're going to be 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:44.200 a black person. Okay, And this is what that means. 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.640 This is some of the history of what that means. 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.120 This is what it's going to mean to be a 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:53.920 good community member. You're not gonna come to the United 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:56.960 States and decide that you're going to listen to all 0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.000 the stories you've been told or what you think you've 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.879 seen on TV, et cetera, and social media about who 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.120 African Americans are. We're gonna talk to you about the 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:09.560 real in terms of who African Americans are, the connection 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:14.080 between African Americans, Africans folks from the Caribbean that allowed 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.759 us to have these worldwide revolutions that we're still engaging 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:21.799 in right now. What people have come up from. Right 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:25.400 in terms of African Americans in the United States, because 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.080 you absolutely don't know that I'm from Ghana. There are 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.600 people in Ghana with those slave dungeons there that people 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.520 fly all over the world to go to, that have 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:35.839 never been there, don't know they exist, don't know what's 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.560 going on, are just learning about it maybe when they 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:40.760 go to college. And I'm old as dirt and twice 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:42.959 as funky. It's a lot I didn't learn about until 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.440 I went to college. Living in this country, born and 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.480 raised here, right, So I think that we need to 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.279 have that grace. But then we also need to have 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:55.239 the responsibility on the part of immigrants who come into 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:57.759 this country to know what's up with the house. You 0:50:57.760 --> 0:50:59.680 don't just walk in people's house, open up their fridge, 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.319 start eating, you know, enjoying your life. That that's not 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.799 how it works. You're supposed to find out what's going on. 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:06.640 What are the rules? Who I take my shoes off here? 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:07.120 You know? 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.880 Who is nasty to people around here? Who do we avoid? 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:12.439 Who's the lovely ones, et cetera. What are the rules 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.400 in this place in order for me to live in 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:17.120 harmony with everyone in this house? We know how to 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.160 do that. That's part of our cultures. For a lot 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.600 of black and brown immigrant cultures, Asian immigrant cultures, we 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:27.360 got to do that. When it comes to African American community, period. 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.759 I want to turn to the rapport you all have 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:34.000 Kick us out, lock us up, keep us out. The 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.760 first one hundred days and overview of the Trump administration's 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:40.960 immigration policies and their impacts on black migrants. In this report, 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.360 and I know you talk about what's happening with TPS 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:48.319 Temporary protected status, the many ways in which they're locking 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:50.960 and so sending people to places they've never been by 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.680 the way, El Salvador is one, Guantanamo Bay is another one. 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:58.320 Talking about Guantanamo Bay, and then the entry pathways that 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:01.320 have been blocked. Since this report has been published, they've 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:05.479 now banned several African countries. From traveling here at all. 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.040 So can you talk about what you all have seen, 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:10.520 what y'all have heard from some of the people directly 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.520 impacted by some of these policies you addressing the report. 0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:16.400 So it has. 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:20.880 Been really devastating for our community members. That doesn't mean 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.960 there's not resistance, It doesn't mean there's not organizing going on. 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.120 But to your point earlier, and we got to acknowledge 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:30.920 the pain. Now, if you're Haitian, you have been hit 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:35.320 every which way. But you know they have just focused 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.560 on Haiti the way they hate this first Black republic, 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:42.720 the way they hate it. So there were temporary protective 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:47.520 status for Haitians terminated, the Biden program that allowed for 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.759 humanitarian parole, in other words, people to be able to 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.760 come in and be vetted so that they weren't vetted 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.160 while they're in the burning house. Right, you vet before 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.719 you come and then if you're allowed to come in 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.960 after they check you out thoroughly and got you and 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:04.279 you were sponsored by someone that you were able to 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.880 be here. Cut that program terminated, literally went around everything 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.880 straight to the Supreme Court, and then Haiti is now 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:14.600 on the list of countries banned. Right, So you can't 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:19.400 come here, your status is gone. And they did that purposefully. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:23.239 So when these raids occurred, they even though cases are 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.400 in court et cetera, they can say, oh, no, we 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:29.160 know that your status is terminated. They have all your information. 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:31.000 They can walk right up to your dora at any 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:33.640 time in the day or night and grab you. And 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.560 so we see that happening across the country, not just 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.879 with Haitians, but also with African countries that aren't talked 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.200 about as much because there's not the same kind of 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:46.440 relationship that Haiti has with the United States. But we 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:49.440 saw when he went after international students. One of the 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:52.920 first crew he went after with South Sudan because they 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:57.160 were taking people and deporting them to Sudan that weren't 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:00.279 even black people. They were deporting people from Maya, marking 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.440 people from other countries and the self student these were like, 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:04.920 wait a minute, what's going on here? You're now trying 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.080 to just use us as a dumping place for people 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.200 because you don't know what you're doing and you don't give, 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.840 you know, a care. So it has been really you know. 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:15.840 So they're the first students to all of a sudden 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.520 just not have status, which means you can't go to class. 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.160 People could not graduate, who had been in school for 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.640 four years, who are getting their masters, who are getting 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:27.560 their PhDs, could not complete their programs. People were told 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.960 they had to get out of student housing. We had 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.799 over one hundred Haitian students reach out to us. They 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.080 went to their work study and were told, hey, we 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.880 were told by the administration that you no longer have 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:41.920 status and we think you should self deport right. We 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:45.120 had people being arrested in the courtrooms, eight people in 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:48.160 Chicago when I was in Chicago this past Friday, eight 0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.960 black migrants bam bam, bam, bam bam, just like that, 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:55.279 families holes in our community going into immigration court as 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.480 they were supposed to do. We see the expansion of 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:01.480 detention and out of line. One of the main detention 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:05.279 prisons outside of Los Angeles, we had almost closed it 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:08.360 down because that's what the law is that they're supposed 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.160 to be closed. It was down to two people. Now 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.799 over eight hundred people are in there. From two to 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.399 eight hundred in the time period that this regime has 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:22.040 been started. And then, of course we see the deportations 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:26.040 and this idea of deporting people anywhere and everywhere and 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:29.800 trying to make deals to do that and sparking ideas 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.879 in others. So my understanding and we're looking more into 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:34.719 it to see what is going on, is that in 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:38.239 Alabama there's a law or a bill that's being put 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.000 forward at the state legislature to make it so that 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:45.279 in Alabama the Department of Corrections can deport people. 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:48.680 Convicted in prisons outside of the country. 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.719 They're not calling it deportation, of course, but what else 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.279 is it If you're in Alabama and you're convicted and 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.880 suddenly you find yourself in Rwanda. You have been deported 0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:01.359 into Rwanda? Right, and you think phone calls are hard, 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.359 Now get a load up, get away too. What it's 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.080 going to be like for our people? And so this 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.919 is what we see happening, keeping us out with these 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:14.560 travel bands, keeping us out by making it so difficult 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:18.520 for us when we apply, people apply multiple times. These 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.760 embassies of the US abroad are so beautiful in Africa 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:25.960 and the Caribbean because they're using the fees from their denials. 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:29.400 You don't get the money back to feed and you know, 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:32.560 make everything all lovely. There's a move now by African 0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:34.919 and Caribbean countries to get that money back, but that's 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:38.640 not the case. We have our people who are being 0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:42.120 locked up, and we really feel like the next phase 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:45.160 is for them to come to places like New York, Boston, 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:48.080 d C. Places where it's a little bit easier Chicago 0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:51.640 to target, and to add to the Floridas and the 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.839 Georgia's and the Texas and you know, all of those 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:57.680 places in the South. And then in terms of you know, 0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:01.600 us kicking us out, we see what's happening there in 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:05.799 the mass way, and so really important that we continue 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:10.399 to think about what's happening and understand that that's meant 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:12.319 to be expanded to us. 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:13.640 All. 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.640 Yeah, we were gonna look at some of the comments 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.400 that we get. No, no, we get mad. I think 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.160 this is the one place we don't agree on much 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.280 on this show, but one place where we all agree 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:27.520 is like the vitrioll towards the immigrant community without any 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.200 regard for the fact. And we shouldn't have to say, well, 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.280 there are black immigrants, so you shouldn't be vitriolic in 0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:33.960 your speech. It should be like y'all are out of 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.360 pocket because you're out of pocket. But I wanted to 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.439 pull some of the comments so Derek Nick, if y'all 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:40.800 can put a few of the comments up so we 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:44.680 can have Nana's response. I rarely hear any other group 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.320 tell each other to go die on a hill over 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.840 black people. My damn, you fight tooth and nail for immigration. 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:52.240 How did that work out? 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:55.120 Yeah? 0:57:55.160 --> 0:58:00.440 I mean, so, here's what's interesting. Firstly, I find that 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.480 that we are selectively understanding the lies of the right. 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:04.840 Right. 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:10.400 Yes, so we understand as black people, we are selectively. 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.360 Buying into or not into the lies of the right. 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:20.320 So when the right is telling us right that we 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:23.400 don't have a history, that black people, African Americans haven't 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:28.000 really done anything, that they're low iq, that DEI really 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:31.080 stands for people who don't deserve it being in spaces, 0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:33.920 that there's no need for us to have a museum, 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.720 that having a museum in itself is racist, and all 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:40.320 of the lies that it tells about black people and 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:43.160 African Americans are going to focus on in particular. We 0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:48.200 understand that's a lie. But when they say they're kicking 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.360 your black job, we're like, oh my god, they're taking 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:52.120 our black job. 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:52.760 Now. 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:57.439 Again, I'm not disputing that there's you know, a blow 0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:01.360 up in population when it comes to particularly you know, 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:05.240 Latino immigrants, and I want to distinguish because sometimes the 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.720 people that were yelling about and being immigrants are actually 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:11.120 not immigrants. They're like generations of people here which folks 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.920 don't recognize and recall. But even if you're looking at 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:19.960 immigrants themselves, you see more people because you have people 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.480 like me who are the children of immigrants, who are 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:26.280 also considered in the immigrant space. But we're Usians, right, 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.200 We're Americans. We're people that were born here, and so 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.760 that gives that impression as well. But what are the lies? 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:36.160 You know, I think about Crenshaw, and you're gonna really 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:39.720 understand this, Angela, think of a think about Crenshaw. Think 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.440 about black areas in LA. Now, imagine that there are 0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:46.760 no black immigrants there, or no immigrants period. Let's imagine that, 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.080 or people that people perceive as immigrants, even if they've 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:54.880 been there forever. What businesses are left? Who's left? How 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:59.320 are we electing these black and brown folks into city council? Like, 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:03.720 how is that happening? Who is who's providing? You know, 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:06.600 we have this community, we have this dance classes, we 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.320 you know African dance class, We have culture, we have 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:13.120 these museums we have Again, it's not just economics, it's 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:18.720 just the humanity that is contributive that we have to acknowledge, 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:20.960 and we have had black people. We want to celebrate 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:24.680 Churley Chisholm, but not celebrate Churley Chisholm Caribbean parents. We 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.840 want to celebrate Audrey Lord and not celebrate Audrey Lord's 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:30.160 Caribbean parents. I just came back from a trip to 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:34.120 Grenada to the very land of Malcolm X's mama Louise 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:36.840 Little and the land they have there, and saw second 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.960 third cousins, you know, And so we can't we can't 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:43.360 talk about Kwama Terrae. We can't talk about Marcus Garvey. 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:46.640 We can't talk about so many people who have contributed, 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:51.000 have contributed in this country, absolutely right, we can't talk 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:54.240 about that, you know, right, people like in say, oh, 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.720 for the work she's done with New Georgia Project, amara Enya, doctor, 1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:00.400 mari Enya, the work she's done for m for bl right, 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.560 I'll throw myself in there a little bit too, you 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:04.840 know what I'm saying. Like we can when we look 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:08.400 in Congress and we see people like ilhan Omar standing 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:11.959 up and speaking out Congressmen and the goose, like, come on, now, 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:15.560 we're not just sitting up talking about immigrant issues. We 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:19.160 are absolutely engaged in this fight as well. Could there 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.280 be more of us, absolutely, they could be more of 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:23.440 all of us. There could be more African Americans, more 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:28.240 black black immigrants, more and other types of Americans and immigrants. Absolutely, 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:32.720 But I think it's it's incorrect to say that people 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:35.600 are not fighting and have not been fighting as a 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:38.840 part of black liberation, when black panthers had to escape 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:41.280 this country, they went to Algeria, they went to Cuba, 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:43.400 they went to Tanzania, they went to Ghana. 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:47.200 That is a part of our story, that's right. 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:49.520 And also on the economic side, seem to always want 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:52.240 to put us against each other for the pitiliest piece 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.680 of the pie that exists on the whole table. It's like, 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:58.440 you don't know, y'all aren't in position to compete for everything. 1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:01.080 Of course not, but there's a little piece of crumbs 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:04.320 that we let fall from the table. Every black brown 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:08.800 person are only in competition for the crumbs of the meal. 1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:13.560 And I just wholeheartedly resent that our only place of 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:16.880 competition has to be in their leftovers. It's not true. 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:19.640 It's not a fact. They'd like to make it more 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.280 the truth, and like to make it more the fact. 1:02:22.600 --> 1:02:25.880 But I just resent that they continue to put us 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.320 in the box to compete for what is the littlest 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.439 shred of anything that exists, and then have the nerve 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:34.480 to put us in competition with one another, with with 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:39.800 with one another for the bucket half empty, always. 1:02:40.440 --> 1:02:42.320 Always, And we got to look at the You know 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:46.360 how often we also see our saying folks admiring the 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:47.240 white billionaire. 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:49.920 True, you know what I'm. 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:52.000 Saying, and not thinking about how Yeah, they part of 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:54.480 your problem. This is why, this is why we have 1:02:54.600 --> 1:02:57.360 the crumbs. They eating the whole cake and giving us 1:02:57.400 --> 1:02:59.400 the crumbs, and yet we look at them and say. 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:03.160 Wow, they got the whole cape. They the ones think 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.160 while that's why we're suffering. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.640 I want to go to this other comment, and then 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:10.000 I know we have to let you go. Nan No, 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:12.120 but this is good. This is part. You argue this 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:14.520 point way better than we did, So this is excellent. 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:17.040 We are so thrilled to have an actual expert on here, 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:21.880 not just our feelings and thoughts. And Andrew this comment, this 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:23.680 is where I'm reading out loud for the folks who 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:26.200 listen to our show and no watch. I am all 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:30.520 for solidarity, but not at the expense of ourselves. We 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:32.560 show up all the time, even when we know they 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:35.360 won't show up for us. I'm not going to be silent. 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:37.880 I'm gonna speak truth to power. I'm going to find 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:41.120 ways to survive and sustain my community and any Brown 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.760 folks who want to show up and support that we cool. 1:03:44.920 --> 1:03:47.120 As for marching and being on the front lines, I 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:50.000 think I'm good on that. That's another comment, Nana, what 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:51.160 do you think about this one? 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:56.360 So you know, there's the piece I think of when 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:59.080 I was a little girl and I would always try 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:01.720 to be the person that'stood up for people, and then 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:03.920 you know, sometimes those people were reciprocate. 1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:06.480 Sometimes they wouldn't, and I would go to my. 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.200 Mother and complain and she would, you know, she started 1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:11.680 off saying, you know, oh, my's poor datta. You know 1:04:11.760 --> 1:04:14.280 you think everything should be fair, You will suffer every 1:04:14.320 --> 1:04:17.040 day of your life. Okay, that was it nice, But 1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:23.520 she proceeded to explain that we do things because we 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:28.880 believe in humanity and we are humane. Black people across 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:34.720 the world are the standard for humanity and what is 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:39.040 humane and have stood up across the world for that. 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:41.680 And so I know people feel like they want to 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:44.280 tap out. There are people talking about they're tapping out 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:46.440 on black issues. They're just tapping out, period. 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:48.000 That's it. They're done. 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:52.400 And I understand that sentiment because people feel tired. This 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:55.200 is a long fight, and you know, people want to 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:56.880 be able to see the benefits of that fight in 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:59.600 their lifetime, and so it feels very terrible for them. 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:02.880 But I will say this that when we stand up 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:07.320 for humanity, we stand up for ourselves. That our Mama 1:05:07.480 --> 1:05:10.959 Nonifiing lou Hamer teaching us that no one is free 1:05:11.040 --> 1:05:14.920 until everybody is free is absolutely right, and that that 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:18.600 has been said in multiple languages across the Black world 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:21.640 with respect to multiple fights. This is what we know 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:25.040 in our DNA. We are the parents of this planet. 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:29.040 And the reality is that wherever we are, whether it's 1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:32.440 black people in the United States, are the standard of 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:34.440 what it is to be humane and to stand up 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:37.760 for folks. Black people in Brazil do the same, Black 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:40.720 people on the continent do the same. It doesn't mean 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:43.160 that we don't have folks that are not in that mode. 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:46.440 But as a whole, we understand that that's our place. 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.320 Whether it be in the un where you saw African 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:53.360 countries come together to force a conversation about George Floyd 1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:56.960 and about police murder in the United States right, or 1:05:57.040 --> 1:06:01.640 because African Americans don't have a a national head to 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:04.760 be able to do that, particularly at that time, or 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:08.439 whether it be right here in the halls of these 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:12.360 legislatures and in these courthouses. We are the ones that 1:06:12.480 --> 1:06:16.160 set the standard, and we should not abdicate that. If 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:20.400 we abdicate that we lose such a core part of 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:23.400 the reason that we are here in this universe. 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:29.720 Oh that's good and so powerful. Nana. We're so grateful 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:33.040 for your time today, y'all. If you're not following Black 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.680 Alliance for Just Immigration, first know that they are a 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:38.880 State of the People partner and we're so grateful to 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:41.840 have them. And I also want to ensure that you 1:06:41.880 --> 1:06:45.720 all are paying attention to everything that they're doing. This 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:48.720 report is out, there are updates coming. If y'all need 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:52.000 to understand how to debunk a myth around black migrants 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:56.120 and our role and impact of the harms of the 1:06:56.120 --> 1:06:59.720 Trump administration. No better follow than Nana. Jumpfy Nana, do 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:01.480 you want to drop your social so folks know how 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:02.200 to follow you? 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:03.920 Absolutely. 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:07.560 You can follow me at Attorney Nana which is easily 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:10.880 spelt and a Na at Attorney Nana. You can follow 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:15.840 Baji at insta Baji on Instagram. We're still on that X. 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:20.280 We're figuring it out at Baji tweet. We're also on 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:24.280 Facebook and we're on LinkedIn and please connect up with us. 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:27.960 We got toolkits we have you know, know your rights, 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:31.240 and multiple languages and ideas of how folks can jump 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:34.120 in and help and to think through what it is 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.040 we need to do in this moment because we know 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:39.160 we're gonna win. We just want to win as fabulously 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:39.880 as possible. 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:43.800 You gotta do that and that that's true to Andrew. 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:46.200 The thing that I will also say is make sure 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:48.720 please that we get those We will drop them in 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.040 the description for the podcast, so folks know how to 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:54.360 protect themselves, know their rights, especially with these ice rays 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:57.080 happening in La right now, but of course there are 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:59.600 many other places, so we want our folks to be protected, 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:04.960 said our folks with intention. Thank you, thank you so much, Naana, thank. 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:07.200 Thank you so much for having me out. This was fabulous. 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:09.959 Thank you so much, Thank you, welcome home. See that's 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:14.640 for all of us. See there, okay, I was so good. 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:16.759 You know, it's it's powerful. 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:16.960 You know. 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:19.679 I was reminded you could appreciate this. I think Angela 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:25.599 just sort of acting, uh, you know, taking an action 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:28.679 in life, not for what you're going to get from 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:31.599 having taken it, but because you take it because it's 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:34.360 if it's right within your soul, if it's right within you. 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:37.240 So if you if you never get to thank you, 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:39.640 you know from the mouths of the people who benefited 1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:42.960 from that thing, you're okay because your goal wasn't for 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:45.760 the thank you. Your goal was to be the mark 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:50.479 by which you know a standard is measured, or to uh, 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:52.320 you know, to stay firm for that thing because it 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:54.519 felt like the right thing to do, and then what 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.840 flowed from it to to towards the benefit of those individuals, 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:00.599 you know, you're happy with that, And I just think, 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:04.080 I guess in some ways, I'm I'm kind of hoping 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:06.120 that more of us can find some peace with Like 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:07.880 when you're take an action and you take a stance, 1:09:07.960 --> 1:09:09.920 you're not taking it for the purposes of the thank 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:13.760 you for the appreciation that may come with it, But 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:17.640 because it's right within you, I'm already fed because it 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:20.679 fits right within me. I'm at home with having taken 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:23.479 that step, with that action. But I get it on 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:26.080 all sides. I get how people can be frustrated and 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:29.200 tired and feel like everybody else gets the benefit off 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:33.840 your sacrifice. I totally get it. But that's why we 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:36.400 have to shift to another place, you know, mentally, I 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:38.320 think we have to shift to another place in that regard. 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:41.519 And I appreciate you know not for helping them, helping 1:09:41.520 --> 1:09:43.120 to see that with us today. 1:09:43.840 --> 1:09:46.439 Thank you. No, I'm so grateful and thanking her too. 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:49.800 I think we should go to cross the action. 1:09:57.479 --> 1:09:59.160 I want you go first with your as well. I 1:09:59.160 --> 1:10:00.240 think online. 1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:04.960 Okay, well mine is. By the time our pod drops 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:11.320 next week, we will be just arriving to Baltimore, and 1:10:11.400 --> 1:10:14.439 so I want to urge people, if you haven't yet 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:17.760 for State of the People. Our tour is over, but 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:21.639 the National Assembly, thanks brother, thank you for your role. 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:24.400 If people are so excited to see you there, I'm serious. 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:28.800 I'm hoping that you all will meet us in Baltimore. 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:32.840 What has been fascinating ag and I think you've seen 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:37.760 this too, is at every turn there's been conversations around 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:40.439 and you know this especially because we really are like 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:43.600 siblings for forever. But I have a big I'll have 1:10:43.640 --> 1:10:46.479 a big idea and it's like, we can't do that. 1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:48.920 That's too much. We don't need to do that right now, 1:10:49.200 --> 1:10:52.040 let's go down. We need time. And it feels like 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:56.120 all along the way we were being shown we were 1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:58.840 given confirmation like oh no, we are late, Oh no, 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:01.280 we don't have time. Know, we do need to prepare. 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:06.720 And one thing I'm super grateful for is Judith Brown Dianas, 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:12.000 who is an incredible attorney runs Advancement Project. I know 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:13.479 you known her for forever. We need to have it. 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:16.240 How we have that Judy on the show. That's crazy, 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:19.360 we need to have Judy on the show. But Judy 1:11:19.600 --> 1:11:22.479 has been you know, she's a constant voice of reason 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.960 and consummate big sister and I love her. But even Judy, 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:28.080 like there was moments where she was like I don't know, 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:29.800 and Judy came around, she was like, you know what 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:32.880 we need to do. And now she's like ten toes down, 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:37.360 ten fingers down, elbows in like going and has been 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:39.559 that way the whole time, even when she disagrees with me, 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:43.160 like I've learned so much about leadership from her on this, 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:45.920 because she was like, I don't agree with you on this, 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:47.720 but there's this part over here I agree with this 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:50.160 where I'm going to lean in and it's been beautiful. 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:52.280 And I'm saying all that to say that there's a 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:54.599 lot of that happening along the way on the tour 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:58.840 as we plan these workshops for the National Assembly. The 1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:01.200 black papers have been that way. David has done a 1:12:01.240 --> 1:12:04.840 remarkable job at pulling these black papers together. It will 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:08.160 be over thirty by the time the Assembly comes. So 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:11.280 my point is I want you all to register. If 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.120 you can't drive, I mean, if you can't fly, drive, 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:16.760 If you can't drive, get on the train. If you 1:12:16.760 --> 1:12:18.640 can't get on the train, get on the bus. But 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:21.200 please come. I think that it will be well worth 1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:24.400 the sacrifice to get there. If I have money for 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:26.040 you all, I will pay for all y'all to come. 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:28.760 I don't have that, but what I do have is 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:32.680 a bunch of really willing national partners and local partners 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:35.800 who have pulled together to give the best of themselves 1:12:35.840 --> 1:12:39.000 in these spaces The plenaries will be designed to talk 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:42.599 through policy, what our demands are and what we require 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.680 of ourselves. The workshops will be designed to give you 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:49.000 tactics and tools to go home and keep implementing. The 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:51.519 delegate training will be designed to help us build the 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:53.800 structure that we need to move forward, whether it's to 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:57.280 approve a statement on behalf of Black America, to get 1:12:57.320 --> 1:13:00.479 mobilized in another way. The rapid response network the miss 1:13:00.520 --> 1:13:02.559 bass is talking about are the very things we are 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:06.240 going to establish in Baltimore. We can't afford not to 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:09.479 be there, so I plead with you to come and 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:11.960 to do what you feel called to do. Everybody is welcome. 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:14.920 Any offering you have is sufficient. It's a state of 1:13:15.040 --> 1:13:18.000 THEPPL dot com slash Baltimore. I hope you will come, 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:20.960 and I want to send just a note of gratitude 1:13:20.960 --> 1:13:24.400 to all of our local city committees, organizers, every group 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:26.599 that did anything. I don't care if you brought napkins 1:13:26.600 --> 1:13:29.639 and forks, we thank God for you. If you spoke, 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:32.439 if you built the stage, if you passed out a flyer, 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:34.559 if you ask your friends to come, if you put 1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:36.479 up an I'm in graphic, we love you and We 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:40.080 are eternally grateful for your support, and I want to 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:45.720 thank my co host especially because they came and then 1:13:45.840 --> 1:13:47.880 every time I've been late or I didn't know what 1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:50.160 was going on, they tapped in. They were like, this 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:51.760 is what we talked about. I'm like, okay, I'm just 1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:54.280 gonna fight tired, and they were right there like we 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:56.360 got you said. So, I just love y'all and thank 1:13:56.400 --> 1:13:58.599 God for you. That was a really long pot action. 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.559 Well, I'm co signing our chief of staff to black people. 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:03.559 I think you're now a president of black people. But 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:11.280 all these things, but really you're the sheer will I mean, 1:14:11.320 --> 1:14:13.840 and this is in so many ways just the force 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:17.280 of will. It's how you have moved that and in 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:23.240 divine grace, because it's only possible through His divine grace 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:26.080 that it has come together in such a way. But Angela, you, 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:29.479 if you have leaned in and through your sheer force 1:14:29.560 --> 1:14:33.280 of will, have been able to bring people who haven't 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:36.759 always partnered, who haven't always been good at co signing, 1:14:37.320 --> 1:14:40.639 who haven't always you know, been down for an action 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:44.639 that doesn't, you know, require three years of planning before 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.040 you take the action. We thank you. I think there's 1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:50.880 a collective thank you that's out there for you. If 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:53.840 you haven't heard it collectively, I hope you get to 1:14:53.880 --> 1:15:00.920 hear it now that we are an eternal gratitude for you, 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:03.920 for your person, for who you are, not only for 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:06.320 what you do, but just the person that you are. 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:09.360 And I think it's it's an incredible blessing. And not 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:11.479 only are you going to feel the gifts coming around 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:14.559 and around, but the gift that you are to others 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.439 will continue to go around and around and around and 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:20.080 continue to inspire. So thank you for all of that 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:23.200 and then some and uh and we got your back 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:24.280 just like you've had ours. 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:27.160 So love you, brethren, I love I want to shout out. 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:29.760 I want to shout out two more people. I want 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:33.639 to shout out Lolo on our pod because Lolo came 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:37.320 in Andrew is research producer and it's like I always 1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:40.600 call her Charles Barkley. Yeah, she's a utility player, not 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:44.040 just for the podcast, but for this tour too. Lolo 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:48.519 lost her cousin tragically at our first tour stop and 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:51.160 it just hit her so hard and even after that, 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:53.720 came back and was like, Okay, I sat down as 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:55.160 long as I can. I got to get back in 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:57.280 the game and has done that. Like she just picks 1:15:57.360 --> 1:16:00.200 up wherever she can. Constc her best friend just got married. 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:01.519 She's like, I'm out for a day and a half, 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:03.720 I'm coming back. She's back, you know. So I want 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:07.559 to shout out Lolo and Chloe on uh that does 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:10.280 social media for the podcast did so much at the 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:14.320 beginning of the tour, and and who like was holding 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.479 it down, just like when y'all were holding me down, 1:16:16.520 --> 1:16:18.400 she was holding Chloe down. So I want to thank them. 1:16:18.800 --> 1:16:21.600 And then Vincent Evans, that dog gone Vincent Evans. That 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:25.920 dog gone Vincent Evans. We love Vincent Evans and I 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:28.320 thank God for how he has my back personally as 1:16:28.360 --> 1:16:31.600 his sister. I've been telling everybody that's one of the 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:33.360 few that can boss me. So when they ever need, 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:34.880 they need to get through to me because I'm being 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:38.240 hard headed. Hear, come, Vince, I'd be like what they'd 1:16:38.280 --> 1:16:43.479 be like now, Angela, the people are concerned that you're 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:44.000 not here. 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:46.519 Listen, we are not about to go into a mimic 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:49.599 session of my boy. But it's a couple Yea, it 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:51.160 was good. I got a couple of my sleeve. But 1:16:51.160 --> 1:16:52.240 when going to Angela. 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:54.880 I just want to make sure you thought of that. 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.960 Sent to Evans. Yeah, we should have played. I'm gonna 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.000 get a video of Vins. Vince was like they call 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:06.360 him the star of the dot because Vince is like 1:17:06.600 --> 1:17:09.320 a breakout star and he's not even trying to perform. 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:13.000 He's just being him damn self. He is crazy anyway. 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:15.080 And we want to welcome you home. 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.800 Yeah, welcome home. I'm gonna tell you guys right now, 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.160 how many days are left until the election. We don't 1:17:20.160 --> 1:17:22.120 even get to them listener questions. Maybe we'll do that 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:26.479 on a mini pod. Okay. 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