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Speaker 1: Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode eighty three of Native Lampod,
Speaker 1: where we give you our breakdown of all things politics
Speaker 1: and culture. We are your hosts. I'm Angela Raie. This
Speaker 1: is Andrew Gillham, and sadly, our dear sister Tiffany Cross
Speaker 1: is out. She got a bug.
Speaker 3: The bug got hurt Andrew, she got a bug, y'all.
Speaker 3: Lifter and prayer and such and such.
Speaker 1: Yes, please do that. Well, while we're lifting things up,
Speaker 1: let's make sure we also lift up some facts. So, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, before we get into what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, what are all the things we're talking about today?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is everything we're talking about today,
Speaker 3: is the chaos being precipitated by the President of the
Speaker 3: United States in one of the fifty states of this country,
Speaker 3: and the frankly indescribable harm that he's deliberately causing. You know,
Speaker 3: some weeks ago we had sort of borrowed this phrase
Speaker 3: that cruelty is the point, and it just keeps resurfacing
Speaker 3: in my mind every time I think about this administration,
Speaker 3: what is doing, what it feigns to be doing, right,
Speaker 3: what it tells people is doing, and then the actuality,
Speaker 3: like what's really going down? I mean, and these people
Speaker 3: for so much of what they undertake cruelty is the
Speaker 3: point of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well we are talking about that. We're talking
Speaker 1: about these ice raids. We can't talk about what's happening
Speaker 1: in LA. It's happening all over the country Tangry's point,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about LA. This week we have Mayor
Speaker 1: Karen Bass who will join us to talk about everything
Speaker 1: that's actually happening in LA. Don't believe everything Fox News
Speaker 1: tell you, or don't believe anything at all. And then
Speaker 1: I also think it's important that we get into this
Speaker 1: black migrant or these black migrant related issues. We've been
Speaker 1: having this argument with our audience over and over again,
Speaker 1: and we really think it's important that you all don't
Speaker 1: just hear from us, but you also hear from the
Speaker 1: Black Alliance for Just Immigration. And I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I said that right. Yes, look at go Ahead,
Speaker 1: Black Lives for Just Immigration, and we have their executive
Speaker 1: director joining us today. Nana Gamfi is the executive director
Speaker 1: for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that Lolo or somebody can confirm that I pronounced her
Speaker 1: last name correctly. Lolo for the win, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: It's Nana Jumfi who will be joining us.
Speaker 3: I don't know that the audience, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know this has been an argument with the audience written large.
Speaker 3: I think that there are within our community a lot
Speaker 3: of folks who are still sort of processing and dealing
Speaker 3: with the outcome of the last election where the narrative
Speaker 3: had really taken hold that Hispanic Latino communities did not
Speaker 3: vote for Kamala Harris. And I think we've been trying
Speaker 3: to unpack some of those results and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And I think while we're doing so, there is some
Speaker 3: scar tissue that has to be dealt with, has to
Speaker 3: be recognized in some cases maybe has to be healed.
Speaker 3: But I think by and large, you know, our listeners
Speaker 3: are our hip to the fact that a lot of
Speaker 3: times the black community has looked at and called upon
Speaker 3: to not only be you know, in the in the
Speaker 3: case of the Congress, the conscience of the Congress, or
Speaker 3: in the case of greater society, the good that's often
Speaker 3: looked to to sort of bring the moral code and
Speaker 3: to to wear and carry that moral code for everyone,
Speaker 3: regardless of who's in the who's in the cross hairs.
Speaker 3: But when black people buy and large find themselves in
Speaker 3: the cross hairs, we're looking to our left and our
Speaker 3: rights and we all we can see. And I think
Speaker 3: that's playing out in some in some fashion here, not
Speaker 3: amongst everybody, but I do think on some fashion here.
Speaker 1: Yes. And one other thing that we really think is
Speaker 1: important is this insurrection, this language versus protesters lingualgs. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that, but before we get going too much,
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Speaker 3: Let's good.
Speaker 4: If there's an insurrection, I would certainly invoke it. We'll see,
Speaker 4: but I can tell you last night was terrible. The
Speaker 4: night before that was terrible. If we didn't get involved
Speaker 4: right now, Los Angeles would be burning, just like it
Speaker 4: was burning a number of months ago, with all the
Speaker 4: houses that were lost. Los Angeles right now would be
Speaker 4: on fire. And we have it in great shape. I'm
Speaker 4: not playing around.
Speaker 5: Will you determine whether or not there is an insurrection.
Speaker 4: Well, you take a look at what's happening. I mean
Speaker 4: I could there were certain areas of that of Los
Speaker 4: Angeles as that you could have called it an insurrection.
Speaker 6: It was terrible.
Speaker 4: But these are paid insurrection to These are paid troublemakers.
Speaker 6: They get money.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about paid insurrectionists. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw this, but Andrew, there was a sign
Speaker 1: up on like a telephone pole in LA where protesters
Speaker 1: are being warned that there are right winging extremists going
Speaker 1: into community to like recavoc well, just like they did
Speaker 1: during the George Floyd protests, and they use that those
Speaker 1: those agitators to create and stir up more mess. Those
Speaker 1: are probably the same people that I don't know. We're
Speaker 1: on the Capitol on Capitol grounds on January sixth. They've
Speaker 1: been pardoned and given permission to continue this work insurrection
Speaker 1: is a violent uprising against an authority or government. And
Speaker 1: I think that when you loosely use the term carelessly
Speaker 1: use the term irresponsibly used the term, that is part
Speaker 1: of the problem, you know. So I want to talk
Speaker 1: about briefly this idea of insurrection versus protest and how
Speaker 1: this administration is honestly dangerously conflating the two. So I
Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts. AG.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for for real, it's a deliberate and
Speaker 3: dangerous complation, certainly by the lawyers amongst the group who
Speaker 3: ought to know better. I mean, I really do think
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump perceives any affront to him, any attack
Speaker 3: on his person, his name, meaning an insult or a
Speaker 3: contradiction to something that he says. He really believes. I
Speaker 3: think in his minds that he is the government and
Speaker 3: the government is him. He thinks he's already living in
Speaker 3: an autocracy where if you challenge the quote leader, you're
Speaker 3: challenging the government. But he isn't the government. He is
Speaker 3: not at all the government. He happens to be the
Speaker 3: head of a branch, but he's not the government him
Speaker 3: and of himself. But what I think, Angela is he's
Speaker 3: setting the predicate case for the point at which he
Speaker 3: chooses to invoke the insurrection powers, which go beyond just
Speaker 3: deploying the Marines and deploying or federalizing the state's National Guard.
Speaker 3: It then gives those entities, the Marines as well as
Speaker 3: the federalized national Guard, the powers to basically take on
Speaker 3: all police powers. It's it's saying two things. It's one
Speaker 3: saying that the government that exists in this place where
Speaker 3: the insurrection is taking place is not capable of dealing
Speaker 3: with the insurrectionists, which, by the way, I just got
Speaker 3: to say, I find it so it's not even funny.
Speaker 3: It's just it's like the world is playing topsy turvy
Speaker 3: with us. That this is a man who could not
Speaker 3: bring himself to call the individuals who attempted to stand
Speaker 3: in the way of an act of Congress, an actual
Speaker 3: act of Congress, to carry out a function or responsibility
Speaker 3: and counting to the electoral votes when he was in
Speaker 3: the crosshairs. That wasn't an insurrection. But protests where people
Speaker 3: are literally just trying to have their voices be heard,
Speaker 3: petitioning their government, is all of a sudden an insurrection.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't make sense, but I know what
Speaker 3: he's doing. And I think we all have to be
Speaker 3: hip to the game that what the President is attempting
Speaker 3: to do is ease our ears for listening purposes to
Speaker 3: the words insurrection, so that when he declares the insurrection
Speaker 3: powers of the Constitution, that nobody is scared by that,
Speaker 3: that nobody flinches by that, because we've heard the term
Speaker 3: already planted and used by this president. But I pray
Speaker 3: that we will resist the urge to believe this guy.
Speaker 3: He's not telling the truth. All he's attempting to do
Speaker 3: is a mass more power for his own use. Angela.
Speaker 3: It's a real sick game that he's playing, and it's made,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, all the more sick when you hear
Speaker 3: Pam Bondi and other lawyers within the administration doubling down
Speaker 3: on this nonsense. I would think they would know better,
Speaker 3: But I have to tell you, Pam Bondi was Attorney
Speaker 3: General of Florida. I've yet to see her brilliance on display,
Speaker 3: so I can't even say that that, frankly, she knows
Speaker 3: what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think that here is the crux
Speaker 1: of the issue, getting back to the Insurrection Act, because
Speaker 1: I think that we sometimes can throw things around expecting
Speaker 1: that people know what we're talking about. So the Insurrection
Speaker 1: Act is a he's of legislation that was signed into
Speaker 1: law in I don't know, eighteen oh seven is what
Speaker 1: it says. So this was before slavery was over. This
Speaker 1: federal law gives the president the power to deploy the
Speaker 1: United States military and to federalize the National Guard in
Speaker 1: response to an uprising right, and so the President keeps
Speaker 1: threatening to utilize this Insurrection Act anytime somebody disagrees with them.
Speaker 1: So there were are four thousand National guardsmen already deployed
Speaker 1: and seven hundred Marines that were sent to la and
Speaker 1: to respond to protests that were like within a two
Speaker 1: block radius. And so what happens is for people who
Speaker 1: are already upset, whose family members who have been disappeared,
Speaker 1: whose friends have been harassed and intimidated and arrested by
Speaker 1: people who aren't even showing their faces. Y'all don't know
Speaker 1: if you've seen some of these images. We don't have
Speaker 1: any proof that these are actually law enforcement officers. It
Speaker 1: could be Joe Blow from the middle of Indiana, which,
Speaker 1: if y'all didn't know, is the home of the foundation,
Speaker 1: the founding place of the KKK. They could be from there, right,
Speaker 1: So deploying troops, he's already actually utilizing and relying at
Speaker 1: least what is allowed and called for in the Insurrection
Speaker 1: Act of eighteen oh seven. And it is extreme. It
Speaker 1: is very extreme, and it is a provocation for those
Speaker 1: who are already experienced in the harm. So I think
Speaker 1: that we have to consider what the outcome of this is.
Speaker 1: If this is a provocation and it is an advancement
Speaker 1: of I know that you're peacefully protesting, but which is
Speaker 1: your constitutional right, But I'm going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: call you an insurrectionis so that I have additional outsized
Speaker 1: powers to intimidate you, to threaten you, to jab you,
Speaker 1: to get you to react in an outsized way, so
Speaker 1: that when you react, the consequence will be on the reaction,
Speaker 1: not on the provocation.
Speaker 3: Right. And Angela, just because I appreciate you pulling us
Speaker 3: back to make more clear what we're talking about with
Speaker 3: regard to these laws. Right now, the President in his
Speaker 3: administration have not given clear yet directives to the National
Speaker 3: Guard or the Navy seals that are on the ground.
Speaker 3: Yet there's a reason why they're holding back by the way,
Speaker 3: on giving clear written or otherwise expressed instruction, it's because
Speaker 3: the governor, supported by Mayor Karen Bass, have basically said,
Speaker 3: please pull back your federal federalizing of the National Guard,
Speaker 3: and you're sending in of these troops because we have
Speaker 3: the capacity to handle the issues as they exist on
Speaker 3: the ground, as they present themselves without instruction. The National
Speaker 3: Guard nor the Navy Seals are allowed to detain or
Speaker 3: arrest individuals given the powers that they are acting on
Speaker 3: right now. They're not acting on the insurrection powers of
Speaker 3: of of the United States. They've been federal by the
Speaker 3: president and they basically are occupying a show of force mission,
Speaker 3: which is they are there in person, but what they're
Speaker 3: allowed to do is very constricted under the laws as
Speaker 3: they exist right now. If the President moves this thing
Speaker 3: another step further, as you called the provocation, we of
Speaker 3: course i'd love to hear obviously the mayor's opinion on this,
Speaker 3: but I think it's pretty fair to say that it's
Speaker 3: the actions that the president is taking that is making
Speaker 3: the situation on the ground more dire. So he's not
Speaker 3: acting to alleviate pressure, he's not acting to bring down
Speaker 3: the pressure as it exists on the ground. His actions
Speaker 3: are intentioned to ratchet up the pressure, ratchet up the heat,
Speaker 3: to ratchet up of the conflict. The governor is saying that,
Speaker 3: the mayor is saying that, and they'll say, we have
Speaker 3: the capacity to handle the issues that are currently on
Speaker 3: the ground. As the reason why I think it's important
Speaker 3: for other mayors and other governors other states to really
Speaker 3: be on guard about this is because the president can
Speaker 3: attempt this kind of a takeover anywhere in the United
Speaker 3: States of America. Today it's California, it's Los Angeles. Today
Speaker 3: it's the state of California. But tomorrow, should protests pop
Speaker 3: up in the state of Florida against what he's doing
Speaker 3: and how he's going about doing it, he could assert
Speaker 3: the same kind of excess of power that he's using
Speaker 3: in California. None of us are absolved from this, and
Speaker 3: I think that's something that the American people really have
Speaker 3: to reckon with that. You may not like the state
Speaker 3: of California. You may dislike what you consider to be
Speaker 3: liberal policies of California, But do you like where you live?
Speaker 3: Do you like the values that you all hold dear,
Speaker 3: the Constitution that you believe you are abiding by and
Speaker 3: if you do, how would you like it if the president,
Speaker 3: because you disagreed with him, decided to fail federalize your
Speaker 3: state's national Guard and send in federal troops American troops
Speaker 3: who have for all intended purposes. And this is no
Speaker 3: disrespect to the troops themselves because they are under orders,
Speaker 3: but they have no business whatsoever patrolling American streets. And
Speaker 3: this provocation could get out of control if it's not handled.
Speaker 3: I think with greater levels of respect and deference to
Speaker 3: the state leaders and the local leaders that have been
Speaker 3: elected for purposes such as this.
Speaker 1: And I think that here's here's a really another good
Speaker 1: point on this. Andrew David Huerta is an s c
Speaker 1: i U is the s CiU California President and also
Speaker 1: president of s c i U us w W. And
Speaker 1: on Friday of last week, he went to he went
Speaker 1: to protest, yes, the wrongful attention of all of these individuals.
Speaker 1: They're also rounding up folks who are citizens by the way,
Speaker 1: and have green cards, some of these folks, and so
Speaker 1: he went to protest near the workplace where an ice
Speaker 1: ray was being conducted. He was charged with a felony
Speaker 1: for impeding the work of a federal officer, just for
Speaker 1: standing in the way. He was tackled to the ground,
Speaker 1: he was detained. When Congressman Maxine Waters went to check
Speaker 1: on him, the door was slammed in her face. I
Speaker 1: was worried, as somebody who's a former staffers, the way
Speaker 1: that her hand was. I was so worried they were
Speaker 1: going to slam her hand in the door. And I'm
Speaker 1: bringing this up to say, if we work backwards now,
Speaker 1: Andrew right, so La SCIU, President David Huerta, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: So now we're cross coasts around these ice rates. New Jersey.
Speaker 1: You have Rasbaraka, the mayor of New Work, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: arrested on city land, not on the private land of
Speaker 1: the facility they've been using to hold folks for ice
Speaker 1: detention purposes. And you have Congresswoman Lamanica mc iver who
Speaker 1: has been indicted on federal charges as well. If you
Speaker 1: look at our positions of power and the folks who
Speaker 1: would be best suited to challenge this administration without the
Speaker 1: fear of retribution, they are now hitting all of those places.
Speaker 1: So the one place that we haven't seen yet is
Speaker 1: state legislators or county elected officials. We haven't seen additional
Speaker 1: civil rights or folks yet, at least not that we
Speaker 1: know of. Maybe that has happened, but it's not made
Speaker 1: national news. So what they're doing are saying, if you
Speaker 1: fight back against what we're doing, even though you know
Speaker 1: it is a violation of the law, you know that
Speaker 1: it is unconstitutional what we're doing, we are going to threaten, harass,
Speaker 1: harm and silence you. So what does that do to
Speaker 1: the lay person? Right? It makes you feel like you
Speaker 1: don't have a voice. If the people you normally turn
Speaker 1: to for guidance for talking points, for what social media
Speaker 1: graphic to put up, for what to say, for what
Speaker 1: to do, for where to organize are getting arrested, what
Speaker 1: do you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right. You attack on the leadership is deliberate.
Speaker 3: It's basically to say that you have no cover no
Speaker 3: matter where you are or who you are. And by
Speaker 3: the way, Angelau and I are not defending folks because
Speaker 3: of what titles they hold, and we're talking about what
Speaker 3: jurisdiction they have. Members of Congress and their oversight capacities
Speaker 3: can go on any one of these grounds of where
Speaker 3: these facilities are housed, and they can conduct inspections and
Speaker 3: wellness checks. It is within the law, it exists within
Speaker 3: their capacity as members of Congress. And in the instance
Speaker 3: of the mayor of Newark, we were talking about a
Speaker 3: facility that has no legal license to operate in his city,
Speaker 3: no certificate of occupancy issued by the judicial, by the
Speaker 3: municipal government who has jurisdiction. And beyond that, he wasn't
Speaker 3: even across the line onto federalized property or anything else
Speaker 3: to have to have undergone the kind of treatment where
Speaker 3: he is. But your your, your, your, your point is correct,
Speaker 3: which is this is the chilling effect. They mean to
Speaker 3: say that I don't care who you are, you have
Speaker 3: no quarters within this country. So long as Donald Trump
Speaker 3: is president, we can get you wherever you are.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a really good point, Andrew. Let's stop here.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break, and after the
Speaker 1: break we are going to welcome Mayor Karen bass.
Speaker 7: He welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 8: I'm coming to you from the streets of Los Angeles.
Speaker 8: This is area where La County, LA City, and a.
Speaker 7: Little bit of the city of Inglewood converge.
Speaker 8: And as you can probably see behind me on the streets,
Speaker 8: what's going on not much.
Speaker 6: Looks like this is as usual, and from.
Speaker 8: What I understand, this is the condition in most of
Speaker 8: the city. So what you're seeing on the news is
Speaker 8: really limited to area downtown and the area in a
Speaker 8: neighboring city of Paramount and a little bit of confident
Speaker 8: from what I saw, which are not in the jurisdiction
Speaker 8: of the City of Los Angeles and therefore not jurisdiction
Speaker 8: of mayor Baths.
Speaker 6: So sorry traffic noise, but that's part of the story.
Speaker 7: So as you can see, it's.
Speaker 8: Nowhere near what it was like in nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 8: the silver hair and it's there in President nineteen ninety
Speaker 8: two in the streets, and this is not anywhere near
Speaker 8: the kind of situation where we have the National.
Speaker 7: Guard out, in my opinion, So.
Speaker 8: I took that from what's real from the front line.
Speaker 8: All right, welcome home, y'all, Thank you, I appreciate everything.
Speaker 1: Into well. Today we are joined by I call her
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Bass. All the time, she is not in Congress anymore.
Speaker 1: She has a full other job that.
Speaker 3: Is keeping elevated Angela. She's now, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: She's very very busy. Mayor Karen Bass, who is doing
Speaker 1: the work of the Lord on the ground in LA.
Speaker 1: And so we want you to come in and Miss
Speaker 1: Bass if you could just tell us what is happening
Speaker 1: in LA, what is right, what is wrong, so we
Speaker 1: can collect, just correct all of the misinformation out there
Speaker 1: and get into what you think our audience can do
Speaker 1: to support y'all.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank you. First of all, what
Speaker 6: is happening our raids from ice that is causing havoc
Speaker 6: not just in the city of Los Angeles, but in
Speaker 6: our surrounding region. And we don't know when, where, how
Speaker 6: that this is going to take place, but it has
Speaker 6: spread a blanket of fear and terror amongst the immigrant population,
Speaker 6: which as you know, is a significant percentage of Los Angeles. Now,
Speaker 6: having said that, at the end of some of the protests,
Speaker 6: you have the stragglers who have nothing to do with
Speaker 6: the protests who have been who have committed acts of
Speaker 6: violence in the form of vandalism, breaking in the stores, robbing,
Speaker 6: and so I initiated a curfew yesterday from eight pm
Speaker 6: to six am that's going to go on every day
Speaker 6: until we are past this. The problem is that we
Speaker 6: don't know when we're going to be past it, because
Speaker 6: all we have are rumors from Washington.
Speaker 3: D C.
Speaker 6: We don't have any concrete information. There isn't a letter
Speaker 6: I have that says that we're going to conduct raids
Speaker 6: in your city for the next thirty days, but that
Speaker 6: is the rumor. Now everything has been fined. Our local
Speaker 6: police departments the Los Angeles as well as regionally, have
Speaker 6: been able to handle things. You know that the White
Speaker 6: House intervene, took power, seized power from the governor, and
Speaker 6: federalized the National Guard, brought them here with big fanfare.
Speaker 6: He even claimed that they had successfully eliminated the violence
Speaker 6: Saturday night, when the troops didn't even arrive until Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 6: But we know this. This is kind of a familiar playbook.
Speaker 6: Now he is talking about sending in the Marines. The
Speaker 6: National Guard that is here is just guarding one building,
Speaker 6: the Federal Building. There is nothing else for them to do.
Speaker 6: Now he's going to bring in Marines at the cost
Speaker 6: of one hundred and thirty million dollars to taxpayers. That
Speaker 6: is money that we could use to prepare for the
Speaker 6: World Cup, which will be here in one year. So
Speaker 6: this is the situation that we are facing. We have
Speaker 6: a very well established and respected immigrant rights institutions and movements.
Speaker 6: They have conducted protests. Those protests have been peaceful. It
Speaker 6: is what has happened afterwards that has created a narrative
Speaker 6: of this is citywide. This is really relegated to about
Speaker 6: five blocks in downtown Los Angeles. It isn't even all
Speaker 6: of downtown.
Speaker 3: Mayor. As a former mayor myself in Tallahassee, Florida, I
Speaker 3: observed two weeks ago where ICE agents came in and
Speaker 3: began arresting folks on work sites, detaining people on work sites,
Speaker 3: and it drove really the entirety of our community, not crazy,
Speaker 3: but mad with anger that the place where we call home,
Speaker 3: a community that reflects the values of the folks who
Speaker 3: live here, had been all of a sudden corrupted, bastardized,
Speaker 3: made to look like we replaced that we were not.
Speaker 3: And I got to believe, with the way in which
Speaker 3: this president seems to have it on for the state
Speaker 3: of California and maybe likewise for Los Angeles, that that
Speaker 3: everything that he's doing, every step that he's taken as well,
Speaker 3: is intentioned around turning up this this this uh, this
Speaker 3: this atmosphere of chaos and lawlessness, when in fact, if
Speaker 3: I am to perceive what I'm seeing on television properly.
Speaker 3: It seems like the only agents of chaos are the
Speaker 3: ones that he's introducing. Are we getting something wrong about that?
Speaker 3: As as viewers who are you know, removed and remote
Speaker 3: from California but are watching these scenes play out. For instance,
Speaker 3: you tell us that you're talking about four or five
Speaker 3: blocks of downtown, not even the the the the the
Speaker 3: entirety of it. You're you're talking about thousands of troops
Speaker 3: that are now federalized uh uh, Navy seal you know,
Speaker 3: a term that all of us know well as fierce fighters,
Speaker 3: but abroad, not here in American cities. I just wonder
Speaker 3: what is this supposed to look like when raids come down?
Speaker 3: And then basically, how do we jux suppose that against
Speaker 3: what we're seeing?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I have been saying that I feel
Speaker 6: like we're in a laboratory in la We are a
Speaker 6: part of a great experiment. If they can do this
Speaker 6: to the nation's second largest city, then in green lights
Speaker 6: everywhere around the country, and of course we know the
Speaker 6: focus will just be on democratic cities. So you have
Speaker 6: soldiers who I hear are here in the vicinity. They're
Speaker 6: not in the city of Los Angeles. I've heard them
Speaker 6: move around a little bit. I have no idea what
Speaker 6: they are going to do here because there isn't anything
Speaker 6: to do, and again the expense and what could be used.
Speaker 6: But remember when the administration started, the deportations were going
Speaker 6: to be a hardened criminals, violent people, drug dealers, gang members.
Speaker 6: I'm hard pressed to say a street vendor selling popsicles
Speaker 6: or fruit is a threat to anybody. Are a customer
Speaker 6: at a car wash, a father who's there with his
Speaker 6: son gets snatched and now his son is alone to
Speaker 6: figure out how to deal with the car and the family.
Speaker 6: Or seeing people chased across the parking lots at home
Speaker 6: depot or outside of LA chased across the fear fields
Speaker 6: in agricultural areas, I don't know how that relates to
Speaker 6: the vision that was created before. I think it's all
Speaker 6: about the numbers now, and I think they're using us
Speaker 6: as a test case. I think the nation is responding
Speaker 6: where you saw. You know, protests take place in different cities,
Speaker 6: But this is an egregious overreach. This is a solution
Speaker 6: in search of a problem. Thursday, last Thursday, everything was
Speaker 6: peaceful in Los Angeles. Nothing was going on Friday when
Speaker 6: the raids happened. That's when you had a problem in LA.
Speaker 6: So this was a problem that was forced on us.
Speaker 6: We didn't request it, and it has resulted in some
Speaker 6: very negative consequences. Most importantly is to the families, the parents,
Speaker 6: the kids who are separated to our local economy. Angela
Speaker 6: knows that LA can't function. There are sectors of LA
Speaker 6: that cannot function without immigrant labor. And the stories that
Speaker 6: you hear my grandson's elementary school, Ice agents showed up
Speaker 6: outside of the school and they what people believe is
Speaker 6: they might have thought it was graduation, because I will
Speaker 6: tell you graduations were a point of fear for people
Speaker 6: around the city because that's a primo place to pick
Speaker 6: up a people. You know, our parents who are dropping
Speaker 6: off their kids or picking up their kids. You think
Speaker 6: about the impact that this is going to have on
Speaker 6: our economy, the way immigrant labor is what sustains the
Speaker 6: city and makes the city great.
Speaker 1: You know, Ms mass I want to I want to
Speaker 1: go to this clip of the Attorney General Pam Bondi
Speaker 1: because I think what she is saying and what she's
Speaker 1: provoking without fact is dangerous. But I want you to
Speaker 1: be able to respond to this. Let's row that clip.
Speaker 5: Law enforcement. They need to have their hands untied where
Speaker 5: they can do their jobs. Right now, in California, what
Speaker 5: we're doing is working by bringing in the National Guard,
Speaker 5: by bringing in the Marines right now to back them up,
Speaker 5: to protect our federal buildings, to protect the highways, to
Speaker 5: protect the citizens. So right now in California, we're at
Speaker 5: a good point. We're not scared to go further. We're
Speaker 5: not frightened to do something else if we need to.
Speaker 3: They're not doing anything.
Speaker 6: They are protecting one federal building and to back us up.
Speaker 6: We didn't ask for backup. These California Highway patrol protected
Speaker 6: the freeways last night. What the worry is there is
Speaker 6: people going and blocking the freeways.
Speaker 3: None of them protest.
Speaker 6: We were yes, we were able to handle it all.
Speaker 6: So this is just complete fiction and that's what's scary.
Speaker 6: That's scary suspiction. Then what more is coming? But I
Speaker 6: do have to center this always in the raids. What
Speaker 6: is going to heal our city is to stop the raids.
Speaker 3: It's an alternative reality, and I don't know how people
Speaker 3: who otherwise live in the real reality make steps to
Speaker 3: keep their community safe. When this kind of ratcheting up come.
Speaker 3: I mean, you hear it in her voice and her
Speaker 3: disposition and what they're trying to deliver the American people,
Speaker 3: this this notice of ratcheting up. And what I think
Speaker 3: I hear you saying, Mayor, is the ratcheting up is
Speaker 3: what's putting all of your citizens and.
Speaker 6: Harms way, ratcheting up something that didn't need to take
Speaker 6: place to begin with. You want to talk about something
Speaker 6: that makes people angry. That makes people angry when you
Speaker 6: have relatives that we don't know where they are. They've
Speaker 6: had no access to legal counsel, their families, members have
Speaker 6: not been in contact with them. They don't know. Maybe
Speaker 6: they've been sent off to Seacott, that horrendous prison in
Speaker 6: El Salvador. Maybe they're Venezuela. Who knows, because they're sending
Speaker 6: people to countries that they're not even from.
Speaker 3: May I know your time is limited in Angela. I
Speaker 3: will obviously yield to you for the last question, but
Speaker 3: I am curious what advice do you have for the
Speaker 3: rest of us spread out across the country. Who are
Speaker 3: you know, in some cases pretty terrified about what we're
Speaker 3: seeing and what we perceive could happen to us, Well,
Speaker 3: how do we take how do we get information right now?
Speaker 6: Well, I think that what exists here, I don't know,
Speaker 6: you know if it exists other places, But what exists
Speaker 6: here is a rapid response network, so basically, and the
Speaker 6: community knows this community wide, so that if there's any
Speaker 6: sightings of ICE, then they go to those locations. Just
Speaker 6: to make sure that people know their rights, not to
Speaker 6: interfere with federal officers, because obviously that would be a felony,
Speaker 6: but to make sure that the people know their rights,
Speaker 6: know that they should have access to a lawyer, know
Speaker 6: that they don't have to cooperate. Those are basic rights
Speaker 6: that exist in our country. So I think that's one thing.
Speaker 6: And you know, we are fortunate, as I mentioned before,
Speaker 6: to have a well well well established immigrant rights and
Speaker 6: infrastructure people who've been here for four decades, and so
Speaker 6: that's the main thing. And then I think always people
Speaker 6: need to know history, the historical context for this. I
Speaker 6: was on a zoom earlier and they were saying, well,
Speaker 6: why aren't you convinced that the courts will be the backstop. No, remember,
Speaker 6: in his first administration he shifted the courts.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: So what we don't tend to do is no history
Speaker 6: or remember history. Look at the Joe McCarry the era,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, there are historical references to this.
Speaker 6: Look at you know what the Insurrection Act is. Make
Speaker 6: sure that people understand what they're seeing. And I believe
Speaker 6: they're testing the limits of this. You heard Stephen Miller
Speaker 6: who repeatedly evokes the term insurrection insurrection. No insurrection happening.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, but where there was an insurrection is bad
Speaker 1: as I know. So when you think about what you witnessed,
Speaker 1: what you experienced, the trauma of all of that, the
Speaker 1: people who actually were harmed, the officers that they swear
Speaker 1: to always protect and look out for. Back to blue
Speaker 1: is what they say. When those things are actually happening.
Speaker 1: Those folks are now pardoned and they're trying to erase
Speaker 1: that from history. But the people who are protesting peacefully
Speaker 1: because they have loved ones who are being impacted by
Speaker 1: these completely uncalled for, gone to far ice raids. I
Speaker 1: want to know what you tell the people the difference
Speaker 1: between the power of protests and being labeled wrongfully as
Speaker 1: an insurrection is. And then in the community. This is
Speaker 1: a two parter that's kind of set for so I'll
Speaker 1: try to remember the second part if you forget it.
Speaker 1: In our community, black folks, miss bads, like, we need
Speaker 1: to get through to our people so there's not this
Speaker 1: divide around how to stand up for the right thing
Speaker 1: to do even if you're if there's no immigrant on
Speaker 1: your block or in your house or in your kids' school, Like,
Speaker 1: what is the right thing to do? Isn't this the
Speaker 1: right time to be coalition building?
Speaker 6: One hundred percent? It's the right time for our city
Speaker 6: to come together. But you know, I think that we're
Speaker 6: fortunate there because I think everybody sees what's going on here.
Speaker 6: So I'm not at this point worried about a divide.
Speaker 6: But I'm also not naive either, which means sometimes even
Speaker 6: when there isn't a divide, it can be created. And
Speaker 6: I think that that's going to be really important because
Speaker 6: this is not just a brown issue. There are tens
Speaker 6: of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of black immigrants
Speaker 6: here from the Caribbean, from African countries, also from Central America.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think a lot of times people don't
Speaker 6: know where beliefs is, belies is. They predominantly blacked right.
Speaker 6: It is in Central America, and so when we're talking
Speaker 6: about Latinos, you know they're more black Brazilians than there
Speaker 6: are black Americans. So you know, we need to understand
Speaker 6: that this is our struggle as well. Thank you for
Speaker 6: the opportunity of speaking with you. I'd love to come
Speaker 6: back on again. It's wonderful to see both of you,
Speaker 6: even if it's just in a box.
Speaker 3: A box.
Speaker 1: Tiffany would be here, miss basket and she got food poisoning.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it.
Speaker 6: Was nice to see her on the Zoos the other day,
Speaker 6: so please give her my regards again.
Speaker 3: We're wishing you well, Mayor Keith, standing tall and strong
Speaker 3: as you have already, you're exhibiting what it truly means
Speaker 3: to be a leader.
Speaker 7: I love you.
Speaker 6: I love you back.
Speaker 1: Oh Man. Thanks again to Mayor care Bass for joining
Speaker 1: us and correcting the record of everything that we're hearing
Speaker 1: out there. After this break, we will be joined by
Speaker 1: the Black Alliance for Just Immigration executive director. Her name
Speaker 1: is Nana Jumpy. Okay, so I feel like we should
Speaker 1: just keep this thing going and bring in Nana on
Speaker 1: the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. I think what we
Speaker 1: have to understand we could actually start where we just
Speaker 1: ended with ms Bass around this idea of coalition and
Speaker 1: what it means again. Nana Jumpy is the executive director
Speaker 1: for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and we are
Speaker 1: thrilled to have her join us to talk about ice raids,
Speaker 1: what has happened in the almost a little over for
Speaker 1: hundred days of this administration, and its impact on Black migrants.
Speaker 1: They have a report out that we'll talk to her
Speaker 1: about in just a moment. Oh, she's joining us now,
Speaker 1: Nada hown you hear us and see how are you
Speaker 1: really good? Did you? Were you able to hear the
Speaker 1: interview with ms Bass?
Speaker 7: You know, I jumped on and so I can hear
Speaker 7: that absolutely, So.
Speaker 1: Can you help us because let's actually Andrew. If we can't,
Speaker 1: let's go to some of these comments we get in
Speaker 1: our thread about immigration. Do we pull those screenshots, Dereck
Speaker 1: or Nick? Okay, So while you're pulling those, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna get started. So now to talk about the need
Speaker 1: for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. This is not
Speaker 1: something that we hear about often. There aren't a whole
Speaker 1: ton of black organizations in the immigration space talk about
Speaker 1: the need for that.
Speaker 9: So you know, clearly it hasn't been more critical than
Speaker 9: right now. But the Black Alliance for Just Immigration was
Speaker 9: started by a black diasporing crew, started by an African
Speaker 9: American who Gerald Nonoir, who was the first executive director
Speaker 9: for at least a decade, folks from South Africa, from
Speaker 9: the Caribbean sitting down and understanding that black immigrants were
Speaker 9: in a strange place where we're invisibilized in the immigration conversation.
Speaker 9: If you say immigrant, people don't think of black people, right,
Speaker 9: But we're also hyper visibilized if you look at who's targeted,
Speaker 9: how we're targeted. As we see even more clearly in
Speaker 9: this first hundred days up until now of this regime,
Speaker 9: we see that black people, black immigrants are targeted and
Speaker 9: it also ends up bringing in African Americans as well.
Speaker 9: And so as we look at what's happening with the
Speaker 9: immigration enforcement, we know that this is the tip of
Speaker 9: the spear for what they're trying to do on the
Speaker 9: police state level. They would love for this really to
Speaker 9: be the National Guard versus black folks. I think Minneapolis,
Speaker 9: think Ferguson, and if they can move it that way,
Speaker 9: they will, But they start with immigrants because they know
Speaker 9: about all the divides.
Speaker 3: Andrew Ifel, no, I just I'm so glad we went there.
Speaker 3: I didn't know we go there so early. But the
Speaker 3: imagery of black communities, black cities being descended upon Angela.
Speaker 3: You talked a little bit earlier about one of the
Speaker 3: characters in the Housewives.
Speaker 1: Show where Portio Porsiae Williams X has been Simon was
Speaker 1: deported get back to Nigeria.
Speaker 3: That's right. So most folks who follow that show, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of Black Americans who follow that show will
Speaker 3: recognize him, obviously recognize her. And even that feels a
Speaker 3: little bit abstract from us. But when you take it
Speaker 3: to its next logical conclusion, that the the scenes that
Speaker 3: that Trump and his folks would love to see playing
Speaker 3: out is is the big whip flash that they have
Speaker 3: to to the rising up of of of our movement,
Speaker 3: particularly as a response to the to to to what
Speaker 3: occurred in Minneapolis during the quote unquote great awakening that
Speaker 3: a lot of us thought was taking place. But I
Speaker 3: almost hear every time when they discuss protests, the Ferguson
Speaker 3: protests being sort of at the epicenter of what it
Speaker 3: is that they that they that they reject and would
Speaker 3: like not to see happen again. They weren't talking about
Speaker 3: brown folks them, They're talking about us. They they want
Speaker 3: to they want to see our voices silence. And I
Speaker 3: just wonder, how do we break through to make clear
Speaker 3: that we're part of the We're part of the target here, y'all.
Speaker 3: Our community is in part the.
Speaker 9: Target, absolutely, And I think there's two things, two ways
Speaker 9: to do that. Number One, we are not separate in
Speaker 9: terms of black immigrants and African Americans. Right, if you
Speaker 9: look into the world, even of culture, we all out
Speaker 9: here shaking it to Bernard Boy and all these folks, right,
Speaker 9: we are looking at folks like it's a Ray who
Speaker 9: has a parent who's from Senegal who was an immigrant.
Speaker 9: We're looking at people who are in our athletic world
Speaker 9: right across all the different sports, across the genders of
Speaker 9: sports that we have. We're looking at people who are neighbors,
Speaker 9: who are co workers, so people are married to who
Speaker 9: people are dating. This you know, twenty percent of black
Speaker 9: people in this country are either immigrants or the child
Speaker 9: of immigrants. This is not a small crew like in
Speaker 9: the corner somewhere. We are together doing things together. And
Speaker 9: so even if they decided to, yeah, think about black cities.
Speaker 9: If they decided today that they were going to go ray,
Speaker 9: that Ice was going to go into black communities to
Speaker 9: search for black migrants. Man, that Angela, you could be
Speaker 9: from somewhere else, right, Andrew, you could be from somewhere else.
Speaker 7: Like, there's nothing to say. They're not stopping in as people.
Speaker 9: They're grabbing up brown folks and black folks now without
Speaker 9: asking citizenship questions.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 9: They had people in the basement in LA and the
Speaker 9: Federal building who were citizens who they grabbed up when
Speaker 9: they were at the immigration court with their people who
Speaker 9: were not citizens. Once they realized, oh, these people are citizens,
Speaker 9: they didn't let them go. They said, oh, you're not citizens,
Speaker 9: so we can't put you in detention prison, so we'll
Speaker 9: put you in a basement and keep you there overnight.
Speaker 9: You think that can't happen to us. When they talk
Speaker 9: about sending homegrowns to El Salvador and Jibouti, who are
Speaker 9: they talking about. I promise you they're not talking about
Speaker 9: Rittenhouse because they let him walk around here and do shows.
Speaker 9: They're talking about us, and we got to declaimed about that.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right, and I think on this point,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: I did a podcast the other day with Jeffrey Wallace,
Speaker 1: who was one of our California leeds not on, and
Speaker 1: he was saying that one of the things that he
Speaker 1: got from you actually was this conversation around not talking
Speaker 1: about migrants through the lens of how it harmed the
Speaker 1: economy through their labor, but through their humanity. And I
Speaker 1: think I was like, Wow, I feel so much guilt
Speaker 1: hearing that because I've been using it that way, because
Speaker 1: I thought for the people who didn't have any empathy
Speaker 1: or compassion around it, if it hit them in the pocket,
Speaker 1: maybe I could get them there. But I'm like, dang,
Speaker 1: we do kind of sound like we talk about slavery
Speaker 1: when we say it that way.
Speaker 9: Sure we do, absolutely, And this is actually the point
Speaker 9: that I make with the larger immigrant rights movement, which
Speaker 9: as you know, often shies away from the racial justice
Speaker 9: conversation and certainly the anti blackness conversation, that there is
Speaker 9: no one who's contributed more an economics labor than African Americans.
Speaker 7: Hence, down four.
Speaker 9: Hundred years, no one has contributed more and in that
Speaker 9: four hundred years people were still being the described as
Speaker 9: chatnel or at best three fits of a person. So
Speaker 9: your humanity to racist, your humanity to the foundational core
Speaker 9: of this country is absolutely not based upon your economic labor.
Speaker 9: You'll be essential during the pandemic. As soon as that
Speaker 9: pandemic is over, they decide they ain't gonna raise your wages.
Speaker 9: They don't care if you have housing, too bad for you.
Speaker 9: On health care you're disabled, too bad for you, right,
Speaker 9: because the real truth is that they don't value our humanity,
Speaker 9: and so it's really important that we place that first. Yes,
Speaker 9: obviously we contribute, all of us are contributing out here, right.
Speaker 9: And as I tell folks, my parents wouldn't have come
Speaker 9: here had it not been shiny enough right to come
Speaker 9: over here, which is the result of what African Americans did,
Speaker 9: the debt unpayable, okay, unpayable in terms of what immigrants
Speaker 9: owe to African Americans in this country. And also we
Speaker 9: need to understand that the original quote unquote illegal alien,
Speaker 9: if you want to use that term, which we try
Speaker 9: not to use, is the African dragged here and chained.
Speaker 9: That's the original, and it's.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah original.
Speaker 9: They were the original, but not in their and their eyes.
Speaker 9: They always belonged to here and their eyes, we are
Speaker 9: the people that have always been the ones that don't belong.
Speaker 9: And all the things that they're doing, whether it be
Speaker 9: about DEI, whether it be about where they're trying to cut,
Speaker 9: these attacks that they're putting on black folks, it's because
Speaker 9: in their heart of hearts, as Malcolm X said, they
Speaker 9: feel you're not an American. If you were an American,
Speaker 9: they wouldn't have to do all these extra pieces. And
Speaker 9: so that's another thing that we have to keep into
Speaker 9: consideration that you know, as a captive people, there's still
Speaker 9: a fight to be treated and seen as humans who
Speaker 9: belong in this place. And so if it's hard for
Speaker 9: African Americans, immigrants should not think we're gonna leap over,
Speaker 9: you know, leap frog into the land of white milk
Speaker 9: and honey. That's not what's gonna happen. We're not going
Speaker 9: any further than our African American siblings, which is why
Speaker 9: this fight together is so critical.
Speaker 3: Non can you help, because I think you're hitting on
Speaker 3: what sits at a lot of the disarmony when it
Speaker 3: comes to Black Americans and how we right now feel
Speaker 3: about frankly, Latino immigrants to the country as a result
Speaker 3: of this last election, where many of us heard and were,
Speaker 3: you know, over and undated with Latino men choosing Trump,
Speaker 3: that you know, Latino women or Latino families harboring really
Speaker 3: anti black sentiments expressing them out loud and clips that
Speaker 3: were collected on social media or even through people's own
Speaker 3: individual life experiences based off of where they lived Miami,
Speaker 3: in some places South Florida and other places on the
Speaker 3: West and Northeast coast. Those feelings that a lot of
Speaker 3: black folks have of being mistreated and rejected and even
Speaker 3: leap frogs in some ways aren't made up. For a
Speaker 3: lot of folks. It's real, it's lived, it's it's real
Speaker 3: experiential in their lives. What what are folks missing as
Speaker 3: a part of that narrative? How do we how do
Speaker 3: we get folks to get beyond some of those instances
Speaker 3: to maybe have a different and maybe greater larger appreciation
Speaker 3: for where the majority of Latinos may be, not the
Speaker 3: ones that Trump and the media decide to hand select
Speaker 3: out as being the representatives of those the majority representatives
Speaker 3: of those communities, but the feelings are not made up.
Speaker 3: They're hard come by, and when you have to deal
Speaker 3: with it, is not enough to just say they share
Speaker 3: our experience because we're close in color, and if it
Speaker 3: can happen and then it can happen to us, we've
Speaker 3: got We've got to give our people. I think a
Speaker 3: little bit more of an audience with their sentiment, with
Speaker 3: what they're feeling here, I think as a way of
Speaker 3: sort of bringing us onto the same page. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure how you reflect on.
Speaker 9: That there's a reason there's a Black Alliance for just immigration.
Speaker 9: Can you imagine we're in the immigration world where people
Speaker 9: talk about things without even considering how it impacts Black people,
Speaker 9: whether they be migrant or African American, And even when
Speaker 9: we bring it up sometimes they're like, oh, well, sucks
Speaker 9: to be you, and they just keep moving forward with
Speaker 9: the plans that they have, right, and so absolutely it's real.
Speaker 9: We feel that as black immigrants, we feel that as
Speaker 9: African Americans, we have issues within that diaspora there as well.
Speaker 9: Some things that I ask people to reflect on. I think, firstly,
Speaker 9: I think it's important for us to understand and to
Speaker 9: think about the fact that around the world, people do
Speaker 9: not actually get history lessons on what has happened in
Speaker 9: this country with black people both and with African Americans.
Speaker 9: People just don't know. They barely know about what's happening.
Speaker 9: For example, in Brazil, I know you all are familiar
Speaker 9: with what's happening there. Black folks in Brazil don't get
Speaker 9: history lessons on Brazil, let alone going all the way
Speaker 9: across to the United States. So when you come here,
Speaker 9: you come here without that information.
Speaker 7: I mean Baji.
Speaker 9: We started this program in Ghana called so you want
Speaker 9: to be in America. So we go down during ducky
Speaker 9: December and we do various workshops to talk to people
Speaker 9: about Yes, here are the avenues that come to the US.
Speaker 9: But know how difficult it is because you're black. And
Speaker 9: when you get to the US, you're going to be
Speaker 9: this thing you've never been before. You're going to be
Speaker 9: a black person. Okay, And this is what that means.
Speaker 9: This is some of the history of what that means.
Speaker 9: This is what it's going to mean to be a
Speaker 9: good community member. You're not gonna come to the United
Speaker 9: States and decide that you're going to listen to all
Speaker 9: the stories you've been told or what you think you've
Speaker 9: seen on TV, et cetera, and social media about who
Speaker 9: African Americans are. We're gonna talk to you about the
Speaker 9: real in terms of who African Americans are, the connection
Speaker 9: between African Americans, Africans folks from the Caribbean that allowed
Speaker 9: us to have these worldwide revolutions that we're still engaging
Speaker 9: in right now. What people have come up from. Right
Speaker 9: in terms of African Americans in the United States, because
Speaker 9: you absolutely don't know that I'm from Ghana. There are
Speaker 9: people in Ghana with those slave dungeons there that people
Speaker 9: fly all over the world to go to, that have
Speaker 9: never been there, don't know they exist, don't know what's
Speaker 9: going on, are just learning about it maybe when they
Speaker 9: go to college. And I'm old as dirt and twice
Speaker 9: as funky. It's a lot I didn't learn about until
Speaker 9: I went to college. Living in this country, born and
Speaker 9: raised here, right, So I think that we need to
Speaker 9: have that grace. But then we also need to have
Speaker 9: the responsibility on the part of immigrants who come into
Speaker 9: this country to know what's up with the house. You
Speaker 9: don't just walk in people's house, open up their fridge,
Speaker 9: start eating, you know, enjoying your life. That that's not
Speaker 9: how it works. You're supposed to find out what's going on.
Speaker 7: What are the rules? Who I take my shoes off here?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 9: Who is nasty to people around here? Who do we avoid?
Speaker 9: Who's the lovely ones, et cetera. What are the rules
Speaker 9: in this place in order for me to live in
Speaker 9: harmony with everyone in this house? We know how to
Speaker 9: do that. That's part of our cultures. For a lot
Speaker 9: of black and brown immigrant cultures, Asian immigrant cultures, we
Speaker 9: got to do that. When it comes to African American community, period.
Speaker 1: I want to turn to the rapport you all have
Speaker 1: Kick us out, lock us up, keep us out. The
Speaker 1: first one hundred days and overview of the Trump administration's
Speaker 1: immigration policies and their impacts on black migrants. In this report,
Speaker 1: and I know you talk about what's happening with TPS
Speaker 1: Temporary protected status, the many ways in which they're locking
Speaker 1: and so sending people to places they've never been by
Speaker 1: the way, El Salvador is one, Guantanamo Bay is another one.
Speaker 1: Talking about Guantanamo Bay, and then the entry pathways that
Speaker 1: have been blocked. Since this report has been published, they've
Speaker 1: now banned several African countries. From traveling here at all.
Speaker 1: So can you talk about what you all have seen,
Speaker 1: what y'all have heard from some of the people directly
Speaker 1: impacted by some of these policies you addressing the report.
Speaker 7: So it has.
Speaker 9: Been really devastating for our community members. That doesn't mean
Speaker 9: there's not resistance, It doesn't mean there's not organizing going on.
Speaker 9: But to your point earlier, and we got to acknowledge
Speaker 9: the pain. Now, if you're Haitian, you have been hit
Speaker 9: every which way. But you know they have just focused
Speaker 9: on Haiti the way they hate this first Black republic,
Speaker 9: the way they hate it. So there were temporary protective
Speaker 9: status for Haitians terminated, the Biden program that allowed for
Speaker 9: humanitarian parole, in other words, people to be able to
Speaker 9: come in and be vetted so that they weren't vetted
Speaker 9: while they're in the burning house. Right, you vet before
Speaker 9: you come and then if you're allowed to come in
Speaker 9: after they check you out thoroughly and got you and
Speaker 9: you were sponsored by someone that you were able to
Speaker 9: be here. Cut that program terminated, literally went around everything
Speaker 9: straight to the Supreme Court, and then Haiti is now
Speaker 9: on the list of countries banned. Right, So you can't
Speaker 9: come here, your status is gone. And they did that purposefully.
Speaker 9: So when these raids occurred, they even though cases are
Speaker 9: in court et cetera, they can say, oh, no, we
Speaker 9: know that your status is terminated. They have all your information.
Speaker 9: They can walk right up to your dora at any
Speaker 9: time in the day or night and grab you. And
Speaker 9: so we see that happening across the country, not just
Speaker 9: with Haitians, but also with African countries that aren't talked
Speaker 9: about as much because there's not the same kind of
Speaker 9: relationship that Haiti has with the United States. But we
Speaker 9: saw when he went after international students. One of the
Speaker 9: first crew he went after with South Sudan because they
Speaker 9: were taking people and deporting them to Sudan that weren't
Speaker 9: even black people. They were deporting people from Maya, marking
Speaker 9: people from other countries and the self student these were like,
Speaker 9: wait a minute, what's going on here? You're now trying
Speaker 9: to just use us as a dumping place for people
Speaker 9: because you don't know what you're doing and you don't give,
Speaker 9: you know, a care. So it has been really you know.
Speaker 9: So they're the first students to all of a sudden
Speaker 9: just not have status, which means you can't go to class.
Speaker 9: People could not graduate, who had been in school for
Speaker 9: four years, who are getting their masters, who are getting
Speaker 9: their PhDs, could not complete their programs. People were told
Speaker 9: they had to get out of student housing. We had
Speaker 9: over one hundred Haitian students reach out to us. They
Speaker 9: went to their work study and were told, hey, we
Speaker 9: were told by the administration that you no longer have
Speaker 9: status and we think you should self deport right. We
Speaker 9: had people being arrested in the courtrooms, eight people in
Speaker 9: Chicago when I was in Chicago this past Friday, eight
Speaker 9: black migrants bam bam, bam, bam bam, just like that,
Speaker 9: families holes in our community going into immigration court as
Speaker 9: they were supposed to do. We see the expansion of
Speaker 9: detention and out of line. One of the main detention
Speaker 9: prisons outside of Los Angeles, we had almost closed it
Speaker 9: down because that's what the law is that they're supposed
Speaker 9: to be closed. It was down to two people. Now
Speaker 9: over eight hundred people are in there. From two to
Speaker 9: eight hundred in the time period that this regime has
Speaker 9: been started. And then, of course we see the deportations
Speaker 9: and this idea of deporting people anywhere and everywhere and
Speaker 9: trying to make deals to do that and sparking ideas
Speaker 9: in others. So my understanding and we're looking more into
Speaker 9: it to see what is going on, is that in
Speaker 9: Alabama there's a law or a bill that's being put
Speaker 9: forward at the state legislature to make it so that
Speaker 9: in Alabama the Department of Corrections can deport people.
Speaker 7: Convicted in prisons outside of the country.
Speaker 9: They're not calling it deportation, of course, but what else
Speaker 9: is it If you're in Alabama and you're convicted and
Speaker 9: suddenly you find yourself in Rwanda. You have been deported
Speaker 9: into Rwanda? Right, and you think phone calls are hard,
Speaker 9: Now get a load up, get away too. What it's
Speaker 9: going to be like for our people? And so this
Speaker 9: is what we see happening, keeping us out with these
Speaker 9: travel bands, keeping us out by making it so difficult
Speaker 9: for us when we apply, people apply multiple times. These
Speaker 9: embassies of the US abroad are so beautiful in Africa
Speaker 9: and the Caribbean because they're using the fees from their denials.
Speaker 9: You don't get the money back to feed and you know,
Speaker 9: make everything all lovely. There's a move now by African
Speaker 9: and Caribbean countries to get that money back, but that's
Speaker 9: not the case. We have our people who are being
Speaker 9: locked up, and we really feel like the next phase
Speaker 9: is for them to come to places like New York, Boston,
Speaker 9: d C. Places where it's a little bit easier Chicago
Speaker 9: to target, and to add to the Floridas and the
Speaker 9: Georgia's and the Texas and you know, all of those
Speaker 9: places in the South. And then in terms of you know,
Speaker 9: us kicking us out, we see what's happening there in
Speaker 9: the mass way, and so really important that we continue
Speaker 9: to think about what's happening and understand that that's meant
Speaker 9: to be expanded to us.
Speaker 6: All.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were gonna look at some of the comments
Speaker 1: that we get. No, no, we get mad. I think
Speaker 1: this is the one place we don't agree on much
Speaker 1: on this show, but one place where we all agree
Speaker 1: is like the vitrioll towards the immigrant community without any
Speaker 1: regard for the fact. And we shouldn't have to say, well,
Speaker 1: there are black immigrants, so you shouldn't be vitriolic in
Speaker 1: your speech. It should be like y'all are out of
Speaker 1: pocket because you're out of pocket. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: pull some of the comments so Derek Nick, if y'all
Speaker 1: can put a few of the comments up so we
Speaker 1: can have Nana's response. I rarely hear any other group
Speaker 1: tell each other to go die on a hill over
Speaker 1: black people. My damn, you fight tooth and nail for immigration.
Speaker 1: How did that work out?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I mean, so, here's what's interesting. Firstly, I find that
Speaker 9: that we are selectively understanding the lies of the right.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we understand as black people, we are selectively.
Speaker 9: Buying into or not into the lies of the right.
Speaker 9: So when the right is telling us right that we
Speaker 9: don't have a history, that black people, African Americans haven't
Speaker 9: really done anything, that they're low iq, that DEI really
Speaker 9: stands for people who don't deserve it being in spaces,
Speaker 9: that there's no need for us to have a museum,
Speaker 9: that having a museum in itself is racist, and all
Speaker 9: of the lies that it tells about black people and
Speaker 9: African Americans are going to focus on in particular. We
Speaker 9: understand that's a lie. But when they say they're kicking
Speaker 9: your black job, we're like, oh my god, they're taking
Speaker 9: our black job.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 9: Again, I'm not disputing that there's you know, a blow
Speaker 9: up in population when it comes to particularly you know,
Speaker 9: Latino immigrants, and I want to distinguish because sometimes the
Speaker 9: people that were yelling about and being immigrants are actually
Speaker 9: not immigrants. They're like generations of people here which folks
Speaker 9: don't recognize and recall. But even if you're looking at
Speaker 9: immigrants themselves, you see more people because you have people
Speaker 9: like me who are the children of immigrants, who are
Speaker 9: also considered in the immigrant space. But we're Usians, right,
Speaker 9: We're Americans. We're people that were born here, and so
Speaker 9: that gives that impression as well. But what are the lies?
Speaker 9: You know, I think about Crenshaw, and you're gonna really
Speaker 9: understand this, Angela, think of a think about Crenshaw. Think
Speaker 9: about black areas in LA. Now, imagine that there are
Speaker 9: no black immigrants there, or no immigrants period. Let's imagine that,
Speaker 9: or people that people perceive as immigrants, even if they've
Speaker 9: been there forever. What businesses are left? Who's left? How
Speaker 9: are we electing these black and brown folks into city council? Like,
Speaker 9: how is that happening? Who is who's providing? You know,
Speaker 9: we have this community, we have this dance classes, we
Speaker 9: you know African dance class, We have culture, we have
Speaker 9: these museums we have Again, it's not just economics, it's
Speaker 9: just the humanity that is contributive that we have to acknowledge,
Speaker 9: and we have had black people. We want to celebrate
Speaker 9: Churley Chisholm, but not celebrate Churley Chisholm Caribbean parents. We
Speaker 9: want to celebrate Audrey Lord and not celebrate Audrey Lord's
Speaker 9: Caribbean parents. I just came back from a trip to
Speaker 9: Grenada to the very land of Malcolm X's mama Louise
Speaker 9: Little and the land they have there, and saw second
Speaker 9: third cousins, you know, And so we can't we can't
Speaker 9: talk about Kwama Terrae. We can't talk about Marcus Garvey.
Speaker 9: We can't talk about so many people who have contributed,
Speaker 9: have contributed in this country, absolutely right, we can't talk
Speaker 9: about that, you know, right, people like in say, oh,
Speaker 9: for the work she's done with New Georgia Project, amara Enya, doctor,
Speaker 9: mari Enya, the work she's done for m for bl right,
Speaker 9: I'll throw myself in there a little bit too, you
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying. Like we can when we look
Speaker 9: in Congress and we see people like ilhan Omar standing
Speaker 9: up and speaking out Congressmen and the goose, like, come on, now,
Speaker 9: we're not just sitting up talking about immigrant issues. We
Speaker 9: are absolutely engaged in this fight as well. Could there
Speaker 9: be more of us, absolutely, they could be more of
Speaker 9: all of us. There could be more African Americans, more
Speaker 9: black black immigrants, more and other types of Americans and immigrants. Absolutely,
Speaker 9: But I think it's it's incorrect to say that people
Speaker 9: are not fighting and have not been fighting as a
Speaker 9: part of black liberation, when black panthers had to escape
Speaker 9: this country, they went to Algeria, they went to Cuba,
Speaker 9: they went to Tanzania, they went to Ghana.
Speaker 7: That is a part of our story, that's right.
Speaker 3: And also on the economic side, seem to always want
Speaker 3: to put us against each other for the pitiliest piece
Speaker 3: of the pie that exists on the whole table. It's like,
Speaker 3: you don't know, y'all aren't in position to compete for everything.
Speaker 3: Of course not, but there's a little piece of crumbs
Speaker 3: that we let fall from the table. Every black brown
Speaker 3: person are only in competition for the crumbs of the meal.
Speaker 3: And I just wholeheartedly resent that our only place of
Speaker 3: competition has to be in their leftovers. It's not true.
Speaker 3: It's not a fact. They'd like to make it more
Speaker 3: the truth, and like to make it more the fact.
Speaker 3: But I just resent that they continue to put us
Speaker 3: in the box to compete for what is the littlest
Speaker 3: shred of anything that exists, and then have the nerve
Speaker 3: to put us in competition with one another, with with
Speaker 3: with one another for the bucket half empty, always.
Speaker 9: Always, And we got to look at the You know
Speaker 9: how often we also see our saying folks admiring the
Speaker 9: white billionaire.
Speaker 3: True, you know what I'm.
Speaker 9: Saying, and not thinking about how Yeah, they part of
Speaker 9: your problem. This is why, this is why we have
Speaker 9: the crumbs. They eating the whole cake and giving us
Speaker 9: the crumbs, and yet we look at them and say.
Speaker 7: Wow, they got the whole cape. They the ones think
Speaker 7: while that's why we're suffering.
Speaker 1: I want to go to this other comment, and then
Speaker 1: I know we have to let you go. Nan No,
Speaker 1: but this is good. This is part. You argue this
Speaker 1: point way better than we did, So this is excellent.
Speaker 1: We are so thrilled to have an actual expert on here,
Speaker 1: not just our feelings and thoughts. And Andrew this comment, this
Speaker 1: is where I'm reading out loud for the folks who
Speaker 1: listen to our show and no watch. I am all
Speaker 1: for solidarity, but not at the expense of ourselves. We
Speaker 1: show up all the time, even when we know they
Speaker 1: won't show up for us. I'm not going to be silent.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak truth to power. I'm going to find
Speaker 1: ways to survive and sustain my community and any Brown
Speaker 1: folks who want to show up and support that we cool.
Speaker 1: As for marching and being on the front lines, I
Speaker 1: think I'm good on that. That's another comment, Nana, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this one?
Speaker 9: So you know, there's the piece I think of when
Speaker 9: I was a little girl and I would always try
Speaker 9: to be the person that'stood up for people, and then
Speaker 9: you know, sometimes those people were reciprocate.
Speaker 7: Sometimes they wouldn't, and I would go to my.
Speaker 9: Mother and complain and she would, you know, she started
Speaker 9: off saying, you know, oh, my's poor datta. You know
Speaker 9: you think everything should be fair, You will suffer every
Speaker 9: day of your life. Okay, that was it nice, But
Speaker 9: she proceeded to explain that we do things because we
Speaker 9: believe in humanity and we are humane. Black people across
Speaker 9: the world are the standard for humanity and what is
Speaker 9: humane and have stood up across the world for that.
Speaker 9: And so I know people feel like they want to
Speaker 9: tap out. There are people talking about they're tapping out
Speaker 9: on black issues. They're just tapping out, period.
Speaker 7: That's it. They're done.
Speaker 9: And I understand that sentiment because people feel tired. This
Speaker 9: is a long fight, and you know, people want to
Speaker 9: be able to see the benefits of that fight in
Speaker 9: their lifetime, and so it feels very terrible for them.
Speaker 9: But I will say this that when we stand up
Speaker 9: for humanity, we stand up for ourselves. That our Mama
Speaker 9: Nonifiing lou Hamer teaching us that no one is free
Speaker 9: until everybody is free is absolutely right, and that that
Speaker 9: has been said in multiple languages across the Black world
Speaker 9: with respect to multiple fights. This is what we know
Speaker 9: in our DNA. We are the parents of this planet.
Speaker 9: And the reality is that wherever we are, whether it's
Speaker 9: black people in the United States, are the standard of
Speaker 9: what it is to be humane and to stand up
Speaker 9: for folks. Black people in Brazil do the same, Black
Speaker 9: people on the continent do the same. It doesn't mean
Speaker 9: that we don't have folks that are not in that mode.
Speaker 7: But as a whole, we understand that that's our place.
Speaker 9: Whether it be in the un where you saw African
Speaker 9: countries come together to force a conversation about George Floyd
Speaker 9: and about police murder in the United States right, or
Speaker 9: because African Americans don't have a a national head to
Speaker 9: be able to do that, particularly at that time, or
Speaker 9: whether it be right here in the halls of these
Speaker 9: legislatures and in these courthouses. We are the ones that
Speaker 9: set the standard, and we should not abdicate that. If
Speaker 9: we abdicate that we lose such a core part of
Speaker 9: the reason that we are here in this universe.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good and so powerful. Nana. We're so grateful
Speaker 1: for your time today, y'all. If you're not following Black
Speaker 1: Alliance for Just Immigration, first know that they are a
Speaker 1: State of the People partner and we're so grateful to
Speaker 1: have them. And I also want to ensure that you
Speaker 1: all are paying attention to everything that they're doing. This
Speaker 1: report is out, there are updates coming. If y'all need
Speaker 1: to understand how to debunk a myth around black migrants
Speaker 1: and our role and impact of the harms of the
Speaker 1: Trump administration. No better follow than Nana. Jumpfy Nana, do
Speaker 1: you want to drop your social so folks know how
Speaker 1: to follow you?
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: You can follow me at Attorney Nana which is easily
Speaker 9: spelt and a Na at Attorney Nana. You can follow
Speaker 9: Baji at insta Baji on Instagram. We're still on that X.
Speaker 9: We're figuring it out at Baji tweet. We're also on
Speaker 9: Facebook and we're on LinkedIn and please connect up with us.
Speaker 9: We got toolkits we have you know, know your rights,
Speaker 9: and multiple languages and ideas of how folks can jump
Speaker 9: in and help and to think through what it is
Speaker 9: we need to do in this moment because we know
Speaker 9: we're gonna win. We just want to win as fabulously
Speaker 9: as possible.
Speaker 1: You gotta do that and that that's true to Andrew.
Speaker 1: The thing that I will also say is make sure
Speaker 1: please that we get those We will drop them in
Speaker 1: the description for the podcast, so folks know how to
Speaker 1: protect themselves, know their rights, especially with these ice rays
Speaker 1: happening in La right now, but of course there are
Speaker 1: many other places, so we want our folks to be protected,
Speaker 1: said our folks with intention. Thank you, thank you so much, Naana, thank.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me out. This was fabulous.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, welcome home. See that's
Speaker 1: for all of us. See there, okay, I was so good.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's powerful.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: I was reminded you could appreciate this. I think Angela
Speaker 3: just sort of acting, uh, you know, taking an action
Speaker 3: in life, not for what you're going to get from
Speaker 3: having taken it, but because you take it because it's
Speaker 3: if it's right within your soul, if it's right within you.
Speaker 3: So if you if you never get to thank you,
Speaker 3: you know from the mouths of the people who benefited
Speaker 3: from that thing, you're okay because your goal wasn't for
Speaker 3: the thank you. Your goal was to be the mark
Speaker 3: by which you know a standard is measured, or to uh,
Speaker 3: you know, to stay firm for that thing because it
Speaker 3: felt like the right thing to do, and then what
Speaker 3: flowed from it to to towards the benefit of those individuals,
Speaker 3: you know, you're happy with that, And I just think,
Speaker 3: I guess in some ways, I'm I'm kind of hoping
Speaker 3: that more of us can find some peace with Like
Speaker 3: when you're take an action and you take a stance,
Speaker 3: you're not taking it for the purposes of the thank
Speaker 3: you for the appreciation that may come with it, But
Speaker 3: because it's right within you, I'm already fed because it
Speaker 3: fits right within me. I'm at home with having taken
Speaker 3: that step, with that action. But I get it on
Speaker 3: all sides. I get how people can be frustrated and
Speaker 3: tired and feel like everybody else gets the benefit off
Speaker 3: your sacrifice. I totally get it. But that's why we
Speaker 3: have to shift to another place, you know, mentally, I
Speaker 3: think we have to shift to another place in that regard.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate you know not for helping them, helping
Speaker 3: to see that with us today.
Speaker 1: Thank you. No, I'm so grateful and thanking her too.
Speaker 1: I think we should go to cross the action.
Speaker 3: I want you go first with your as well. I
Speaker 3: think online.
Speaker 1: Okay, well mine is. By the time our pod drops
Speaker 1: next week, we will be just arriving to Baltimore, and
Speaker 1: so I want to urge people, if you haven't yet
Speaker 1: for State of the People. Our tour is over, but
Speaker 1: the National Assembly, thanks brother, thank you for your role.
Speaker 1: If people are so excited to see you there, I'm serious.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that you all will meet us in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: What has been fascinating ag and I think you've seen
Speaker 1: this too, is at every turn there's been conversations around
Speaker 1: and you know this especially because we really are like
Speaker 1: siblings for forever. But I have a big I'll have
Speaker 1: a big idea and it's like, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's too much. We don't need to do that right now,
Speaker 1: let's go down. We need time. And it feels like
Speaker 1: all along the way we were being shown we were
Speaker 1: given confirmation like oh no, we are late, Oh no,
Speaker 1: we don't have time. Know, we do need to prepare.
Speaker 1: And one thing I'm super grateful for is Judith Brown Dianas,
Speaker 1: who is an incredible attorney runs Advancement Project. I know
Speaker 1: you known her for forever. We need to have it.
Speaker 1: How we have that Judy on the show. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: we need to have Judy on the show. But Judy
Speaker 1: has been you know, she's a constant voice of reason
Speaker 1: and consummate big sister and I love her. But even Judy,
Speaker 1: like there was moments where she was like I don't know,
Speaker 1: and Judy came around, she was like, you know what
Speaker 1: we need to do. And now she's like ten toes down,
Speaker 1: ten fingers down, elbows in like going and has been
Speaker 1: that way the whole time, even when she disagrees with me,
Speaker 1: like I've learned so much about leadership from her on this,
Speaker 1: because she was like, I don't agree with you on this,
Speaker 1: but there's this part over here I agree with this
Speaker 1: where I'm going to lean in and it's been beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying all that to say that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that happening along the way on the tour
Speaker 1: as we plan these workshops for the National Assembly. The
Speaker 1: black papers have been that way. David has done a
Speaker 1: remarkable job at pulling these black papers together. It will
Speaker 1: be over thirty by the time the Assembly comes. So
Speaker 1: my point is I want you all to register. If
Speaker 1: you can't drive, I mean, if you can't fly, drive,
Speaker 1: If you can't drive, get on the train. If you
Speaker 1: can't get on the train, get on the bus. But
Speaker 1: please come. I think that it will be well worth
Speaker 1: the sacrifice to get there. If I have money for
Speaker 1: you all, I will pay for all y'all to come.
Speaker 1: I don't have that, but what I do have is
Speaker 1: a bunch of really willing national partners and local partners
Speaker 1: who have pulled together to give the best of themselves
Speaker 1: in these spaces The plenaries will be designed to talk
Speaker 1: through policy, what our demands are and what we require
Speaker 1: of ourselves. The workshops will be designed to give you
Speaker 1: tactics and tools to go home and keep implementing. The
Speaker 1: delegate training will be designed to help us build the
Speaker 1: structure that we need to move forward, whether it's to
Speaker 1: approve a statement on behalf of Black America, to get
Speaker 1: mobilized in another way. The rapid response network the miss
Speaker 1: bass is talking about are the very things we are
Speaker 1: going to establish in Baltimore. We can't afford not to
Speaker 1: be there, so I plead with you to come and
Speaker 1: to do what you feel called to do. Everybody is welcome.
Speaker 1: Any offering you have is sufficient. It's a state of
Speaker 1: THEPPL dot com slash Baltimore. I hope you will come,
Speaker 1: and I want to send just a note of gratitude
Speaker 1: to all of our local city committees, organizers, every group
Speaker 1: that did anything. I don't care if you brought napkins
Speaker 1: and forks, we thank God for you. If you spoke,
Speaker 1: if you built the stage, if you passed out a flyer,
Speaker 1: if you ask your friends to come, if you put
Speaker 1: up an I'm in graphic, we love you and We
Speaker 1: are eternally grateful for your support, and I want to
Speaker 1: thank my co host especially because they came and then
Speaker 1: every time I've been late or I didn't know what
Speaker 1: was going on, they tapped in. They were like, this
Speaker 1: is what we talked about. I'm like, okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna fight tired, and they were right there like we
Speaker 1: got you said. So, I just love y'all and thank
Speaker 1: God for you. That was a really long pot action.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm co signing our chief of staff to black people.
Speaker 3: I think you're now a president of black people. But
Speaker 3: all these things, but really you're the sheer will I mean,
Speaker 3: and this is in so many ways just the force
Speaker 3: of will. It's how you have moved that and in
Speaker 3: divine grace, because it's only possible through His divine grace
Speaker 3: that it has come together in such a way. But Angela, you,
Speaker 3: if you have leaned in and through your sheer force
Speaker 3: of will, have been able to bring people who haven't
Speaker 3: always partnered, who haven't always been good at co signing,
Speaker 3: who haven't always you know, been down for an action
Speaker 3: that doesn't, you know, require three years of planning before
Speaker 3: you take the action. We thank you. I think there's
Speaker 3: a collective thank you that's out there for you. If
Speaker 3: you haven't heard it collectively, I hope you get to
Speaker 3: hear it now that we are an eternal gratitude for you,
Speaker 3: for your person, for who you are, not only for
Speaker 3: what you do, but just the person that you are.
Speaker 3: And I think it's it's an incredible blessing. And not
Speaker 3: only are you going to feel the gifts coming around
Speaker 3: and around, but the gift that you are to others
Speaker 3: will continue to go around and around and around and
Speaker 3: continue to inspire. So thank you for all of that
Speaker 3: and then some and uh and we got your back
Speaker 3: just like you've had ours.
Speaker 1: So love you, brethren, I love I want to shout out.
Speaker 1: I want to shout out two more people. I want
Speaker 1: to shout out Lolo on our pod because Lolo came
Speaker 1: in Andrew is research producer and it's like I always
Speaker 1: call her Charles Barkley. Yeah, she's a utility player, not
Speaker 1: just for the podcast, but for this tour too. Lolo
Speaker 1: lost her cousin tragically at our first tour stop and
Speaker 1: it just hit her so hard and even after that,
Speaker 1: came back and was like, Okay, I sat down as
Speaker 1: long as I can. I got to get back in
Speaker 1: the game and has done that. Like she just picks
Speaker 1: up wherever she can. Constc her best friend just got married.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm out for a day and a half,
Speaker 1: I'm coming back. She's back, you know. So I want
Speaker 1: to shout out Lolo and Chloe on uh that does
Speaker 1: social media for the podcast did so much at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the tour, and and who like was holding
Speaker 1: it down, just like when y'all were holding me down,
Speaker 1: she was holding Chloe down. So I want to thank them.
Speaker 1: And then Vincent Evans, that dog gone Vincent Evans. That
Speaker 1: dog gone Vincent Evans. We love Vincent Evans and I
Speaker 1: thank God for how he has my back personally as
Speaker 1: his sister. I've been telling everybody that's one of the
Speaker 1: few that can boss me. So when they ever need,
Speaker 1: they need to get through to me because I'm being
Speaker 1: hard headed. Hear, come, Vince, I'd be like what they'd
Speaker 1: be like now, Angela, the people are concerned that you're
Speaker 1: not here.
Speaker 3: Listen, we are not about to go into a mimic
Speaker 3: session of my boy. But it's a couple Yea, it
Speaker 3: was good. I got a couple of my sleeve. But
Speaker 3: when going to Angela.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you thought of that.
Speaker 1: Sent to Evans. Yeah, we should have played. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a video of Vins. Vince was like they call
Speaker 1: him the star of the dot because Vince is like
Speaker 1: a breakout star and he's not even trying to perform.
Speaker 1: He's just being him damn self. He is crazy anyway.
Speaker 3: And we want to welcome you home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome home. I'm gonna tell you guys right now,
Speaker 1: how many days are left until the election. We don't
Speaker 1: even get to them listener questions. Maybe we'll do that
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