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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode eighty three of Native Lampod,

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Speaker 1: where we give you our breakdown of all things politics

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Speaker 1: and culture. We are your hosts. I'm Angela Raie. This

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Speaker 1: is Andrew Gillham, and sadly, our dear sister Tiffany Cross

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Speaker 1: is out. She got a bug.

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Speaker 3: The bug got hurt Andrew, she got a bug, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Lifter and prayer and such and such.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please do that. Well, while we're lifting things up,

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Speaker 1: let's make sure we also lift up some facts. So, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, before we get into what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, what are all the things we're talking about today?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is everything we're talking about today,

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Speaker 3: is the chaos being precipitated by the President of the

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Speaker 3: United States in one of the fifty states of this country,

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Speaker 3: and the frankly indescribable harm that he's deliberately causing. You know,

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Speaker 3: some weeks ago we had sort of borrowed this phrase

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Speaker 3: that cruelty is the point, and it just keeps resurfacing

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Speaker 3: in my mind every time I think about this administration,

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Speaker 3: what is doing, what it feigns to be doing, right,

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Speaker 3: what it tells people is doing, and then the actuality,

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Speaker 3: like what's really going down? I mean, and these people

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Speaker 3: for so much of what they undertake cruelty is the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well we are talking about that. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about these ice raids. We can't talk about what's happening

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Speaker 1: in LA. It's happening all over the country Tangry's point,

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Speaker 1: but we're talking about LA. This week we have Mayor

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Speaker 1: Karen Bass who will join us to talk about everything

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Speaker 1: that's actually happening in LA. Don't believe everything Fox News

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Speaker 1: tell you, or don't believe anything at all. And then

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Speaker 1: I also think it's important that we get into this

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Speaker 1: black migrant or these black migrant related issues. We've been

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Speaker 1: having this argument with our audience over and over again,

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Speaker 1: and we really think it's important that you all don't

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Speaker 1: just hear from us, but you also hear from the

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Speaker 1: Black Alliance for Just Immigration. And I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that I said that right. Yes, look at go Ahead,

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Speaker 1: Black Lives for Just Immigration, and we have their executive

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Speaker 1: director joining us today. Nana Gamfi is the executive director

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Speaker 1: for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: that Lolo or somebody can confirm that I pronounced her

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Speaker 1: last name correctly. Lolo for the win, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It's Nana Jumfi who will be joining us.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that the audience, I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: know this has been an argument with the audience written large.

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Speaker 3: I think that there are within our community a lot

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Speaker 3: of folks who are still sort of processing and dealing

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Speaker 3: with the outcome of the last election where the narrative

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Speaker 3: had really taken hold that Hispanic Latino communities did not

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Speaker 3: vote for Kamala Harris. And I think we've been trying

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Speaker 3: to unpack some of those results and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: And I think while we're doing so, there is some

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Speaker 3: But I think by and large, you know, our listeners

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Speaker 3: times the black community has looked at and called upon

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Speaker 3: to not only be you know, in the in the

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Speaker 3: in the case of greater society, the good that's often

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Speaker 3: regardless of who's in the who's in the cross hairs.

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Speaker 3: But when black people buy and large find themselves in

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Speaker 1: Yes. And one other thing that we really think is

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Speaker 1: important is this insurrection, this language versus protesters lingualgs. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into that, but before we get going too much,

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Speaker 3: Let's good.

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Speaker 4: If there's an insurrection, I would certainly invoke it. We'll see,

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Speaker 4: but I can tell you last night was terrible. The

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Speaker 5: Will you determine whether or not there is an insurrection.

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Speaker 4: Well, you take a look at what's happening. I mean

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Speaker 4: I could there were certain areas of that of Los

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Speaker 6: It was terrible.

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Speaker 4: But these are paid insurrection to These are paid troublemakers.

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Speaker 6: They get money.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about paid insurrectionists. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw this, but Andrew, there was a sign

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Speaker 1: on the Capitol on Capitol grounds on January sixth. They've

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for for real, it's a deliberate and

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Speaker 3: challenging the government. But he isn't the government. He is

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Speaker 3: the crosshairs. That wasn't an insurrection. But protests where people

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Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't make sense, but I know what

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Speaker 3: that nobody flinches by that, because we've heard the term

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Speaker 3: He's not telling the truth. All he's attempting to do

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Speaker 3: It's a real sick game that he's playing, and it's made,

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Speaker 3: But I have to tell you, Pam Bondi was Attorney

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think that here is the crux

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Speaker 1: So there were are four thousand National guardsmen already deployed

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Speaker 1: So deploying troops, he's already actually utilizing and relying at

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Speaker 1: Act of eighteen oh seven. And it is extreme. It

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Speaker 1: is very extreme, and it is a provocation for those

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Speaker 1: If this is a provocation and it is an advancement

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Speaker 1: of I know that you're peacefully protesting, but which is

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Speaker 1: your constitutional right, But I'm going to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: not on the provocation.

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Speaker 3: Right. And Angela, just because I appreciate you pulling us

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Speaker 3: back to make more clear what we're talking about with

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Speaker 3: regard to these laws. Right now, the President in his

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Speaker 3: please pull back your federal federalizing of the National Guard,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right. You attack on the leadership is deliberate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a really good point, Andrew. Let's stop here.

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Speaker 7: He welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 8: I'm coming to you from the streets of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 8: What I understand, this is the condition in most of

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Speaker 6: So sorry traffic noise, but that's part of the story.

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Speaker 8: Nowhere near what it was like in nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank you. First of all, what

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Speaker 6: We don't have any concrete information. There isn't a letter

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I have been saying that I feel

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Speaker 6: like we're in a laboratory in la We are a

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Speaker 6: part of a great experiment. If they can do this

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Speaker 6: to the nation's second largest city, then in green lights

437
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 6: everywhere around the country, and of course we know the

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Speaker 6: focus will just be on democratic cities. So you have

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Speaker 6: soldiers who I hear are here in the vicinity. They're

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Speaker 6: not in the city of Los Angeles. I've heard them

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Speaker 6: move around a little bit. I have no idea what

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Speaker 6: they are going to do here because there isn't anything

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Speaker 6: to do, and again the expense and what could be used.

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Speaker 6: But remember when the administration started, the deportations were going

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Speaker 6: to be a hardened criminals, violent people, drug dealers, gang members.

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Speaker 6: I'm hard pressed to say a street vendor selling popsicles

447
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 6: or fruit is a threat to anybody. Are a customer

448
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 6: at a car wash, a father who's there with his

449
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 6: son gets snatched and now his son is alone to

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Speaker 6: figure out how to deal with the car and the family.

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Speaker 6: Or seeing people chased across the parking lots at home

452
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Speaker 6: depot or outside of LA chased across the fear fields

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Speaker 6: in agricultural areas, I don't know how that relates to

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Speaker 6: the vision that was created before. I think it's all

455
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Speaker 6: about the numbers now, and I think they're using us

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Speaker 6: as a test case. I think the nation is responding

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Speaker 6: where you saw. You know, protests take place in different cities,

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Speaker 6: But this is an egregious overreach. This is a solution

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00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 6: in search of a problem. Thursday, last Thursday, everything was

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Speaker 6: peaceful in Los Angeles. Nothing was going on Friday when

461
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 6: the raids happened. That's when you had a problem in LA.

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Speaker 6: So this was a problem that was forced on us.

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Speaker 6: We didn't request it, and it has resulted in some

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Speaker 6: very negative consequences. Most importantly is to the families, the parents,

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Speaker 6: the kids who are separated to our local economy. Angela

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Speaker 6: knows that LA can't function. There are sectors of LA

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Speaker 6: that cannot function without immigrant labor. And the stories that

468
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Speaker 6: you hear my grandson's elementary school, Ice agents showed up

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Speaker 6: outside of the school and they what people believe is

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Speaker 6: they might have thought it was graduation, because I will

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Speaker 6: tell you graduations were a point of fear for people

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Speaker 6: around the city because that's a primo place to pick

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Speaker 6: up a people. You know, our parents who are dropping

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Speaker 6: off their kids or picking up their kids. You think

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Speaker 6: about the impact that this is going to have on

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Speaker 6: our economy, the way immigrant labor is what sustains the

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Speaker 6: city and makes the city great.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ms mass I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: go to this clip of the Attorney General Pam Bondi

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Speaker 1: because I think what she is saying and what she's

481
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Speaker 1: provoking without fact is dangerous. But I want you to

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Speaker 1: be able to respond to this. Let's row that clip.

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Speaker 5: Law enforcement. They need to have their hands untied where

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Speaker 5: they can do their jobs. Right now, in California, what

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Speaker 5: we're doing is working by bringing in the National Guard,

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Speaker 5: by bringing in the Marines right now to back them up,

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Speaker 5: to protect our federal buildings, to protect the highways, to

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Speaker 5: protect the citizens. So right now in California, we're at

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Speaker 5: a good point. We're not scared to go further. We're

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Speaker 5: not frightened to do something else if we need to.

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Speaker 3: They're not doing anything.

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Speaker 6: They are protecting one federal building and to back us up.

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Speaker 6: We didn't ask for backup. These California Highway patrol protected

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Speaker 6: the freeways last night. What the worry is there is

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Speaker 6: people going and blocking the freeways.

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Speaker 3: None of them protest.

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Speaker 6: We were yes, we were able to handle it all.

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Speaker 6: So this is just complete fiction and that's what's scary.

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Speaker 6: That's scary suspiction. Then what more is coming? But I

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00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 6: do have to center this always in the raids. What

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Speaker 6: is going to heal our city is to stop the raids.

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Speaker 3: It's an alternative reality, and I don't know how people

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Speaker 3: who otherwise live in the real reality make steps to

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Speaker 3: keep their community safe. When this kind of ratcheting up come.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you hear it in her voice and her

506
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Speaker 3: disposition and what they're trying to deliver the American people,

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Speaker 3: this this notice of ratcheting up. And what I think

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Speaker 3: I hear you saying, Mayor, is the ratcheting up is

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Speaker 3: what's putting all of your citizens and.

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Speaker 6: Harms way, ratcheting up something that didn't need to take

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Speaker 6: place to begin with. You want to talk about something

512
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Speaker 6: that makes people angry. That makes people angry when you

513
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 6: have relatives that we don't know where they are. They've

514
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 6: had no access to legal counsel, their families, members have

515
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: not been in contact with them. They don't know. Maybe

516
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 6: they've been sent off to Seacott, that horrendous prison in

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Speaker 6: El Salvador. Maybe they're Venezuela. Who knows, because they're sending

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Speaker 6: people to countries that they're not even from.

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Speaker 3: May I know your time is limited in Angela. I

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Speaker 3: will obviously yield to you for the last question, but

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Speaker 3: I am curious what advice do you have for the

522
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: rest of us spread out across the country. Who are

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Speaker 3: you know, in some cases pretty terrified about what we're

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Speaker 3: seeing and what we perceive could happen to us, Well,

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Speaker 3: how do we take how do we get information right now?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that what exists here, I don't know,

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Speaker 6: you know if it exists other places, But what exists

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00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 6: here is a rapid response network, so basically, and the

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Speaker 6: community knows this community wide, so that if there's any

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Speaker 6: sightings of ICE, then they go to those locations. Just

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Speaker 6: to make sure that people know their rights, not to

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Speaker 6: interfere with federal officers, because obviously that would be a felony,

533
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 6: but to make sure that the people know their rights,

534
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 6: know that they should have access to a lawyer, know

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Speaker 6: that they don't have to cooperate. Those are basic rights

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00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 6: that exist in our country. So I think that's one thing.

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Speaker 6: And you know, we are fortunate, as I mentioned before,

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Speaker 6: to have a well well well established immigrant rights and

539
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 6: infrastructure people who've been here for four decades, and so

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00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: that's the main thing. And then I think always people

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Speaker 6: need to know history, the historical context for this. I

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Speaker 6: was on a zoom earlier and they were saying, well,

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Speaker 6: why aren't you convinced that the courts will be the backstop. No, remember,

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Speaker 6: in his first administration he shifted the courts.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: So what we don't tend to do is no history

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Speaker 6: or remember history. Look at the Joe McCarry the era,

548
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Speaker 6: you know, I mean, there are historical references to this.

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Speaker 6: Look at you know what the Insurrection Act is. Make

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Speaker 6: sure that people understand what they're seeing. And I believe

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00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 6: they're testing the limits of this. You heard Stephen Miller

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Speaker 6: who repeatedly evokes the term insurrection insurrection. No insurrection happening.

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Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, but where there was an insurrection is bad

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Speaker 1: as I know. So when you think about what you witnessed,

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Speaker 1: what you experienced, the trauma of all of that, the

556
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Speaker 1: people who actually were harmed, the officers that they swear

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Speaker 1: to always protect and look out for. Back to blue

558
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: is what they say. When those things are actually happening.

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Speaker 1: Those folks are now pardoned and they're trying to erase

560
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Speaker 1: that from history. But the people who are protesting peacefully

561
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Speaker 1: because they have loved ones who are being impacted by

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Speaker 1: these completely uncalled for, gone to far ice raids. I

563
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Speaker 1: want to know what you tell the people the difference

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Speaker 1: between the power of protests and being labeled wrongfully as

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Speaker 1: an insurrection is. And then in the community. This is

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Speaker 1: a two parter that's kind of set for so I'll

567
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: try to remember the second part if you forget it.

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Speaker 1: In our community, black folks, miss bads, like, we need

569
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Speaker 1: to get through to our people so there's not this

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Speaker 1: divide around how to stand up for the right thing

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Speaker 1: to do even if you're if there's no immigrant on

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Speaker 1: your block or in your house or in your kids' school, Like,

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Speaker 1: what is the right thing to do? Isn't this the

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Speaker 1: right time to be coalition building?

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent? It's the right time for our city

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Speaker 6: to come together. But you know, I think that we're

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Speaker 6: fortunate there because I think everybody sees what's going on here.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not at this point worried about a divide.

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Speaker 6: But I'm also not naive either, which means sometimes even

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Speaker 6: when there isn't a divide, it can be created. And

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Speaker 6: I think that that's going to be really important because

582
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Speaker 6: this is not just a brown issue. There are tens

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Speaker 6: of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of black immigrants

584
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Speaker 6: here from the Caribbean, from African countries, also from Central America.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think a lot of times people don't

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Speaker 6: know where beliefs is, belies is. They predominantly blacked right.

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Speaker 6: It is in Central America, and so when we're talking

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Speaker 6: about Latinos, you know they're more black Brazilians than there

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00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 6: are black Americans. So you know, we need to understand

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Speaker 6: that this is our struggle as well. Thank you for

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Speaker 6: the opportunity of speaking with you. I'd love to come

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Speaker 6: back on again. It's wonderful to see both of you,

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Speaker 6: even if it's just in a box.

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Speaker 3: A box.

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Speaker 1: Tiffany would be here, miss basket and she got food poisoning.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, it.

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Speaker 6: Was nice to see her on the Zoos the other day,

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Speaker 6: so please give her my regards again.

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Speaker 3: We're wishing you well, Mayor Keith, standing tall and strong

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Speaker 3: as you have already, you're exhibiting what it truly means

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Speaker 3: to be a leader.

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Speaker 7: I love you.

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Speaker 6: I love you back.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man. Thanks again to Mayor care Bass for joining

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Speaker 1: us and correcting the record of everything that we're hearing

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Speaker 1: out there. After this break, we will be joined by

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Speaker 1: the Black Alliance for Just Immigration executive director. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Nana Jumpy. Okay, so I feel like we should

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Speaker 1: just keep this thing going and bring in Nana on

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Speaker 1: the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. I think what we

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Speaker 1: have to understand we could actually start where we just

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Speaker 1: ended with ms Bass around this idea of coalition and

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Speaker 1: what it means again. Nana Jumpy is the executive director

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Speaker 1: for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and we are

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Speaker 1: thrilled to have her join us to talk about ice raids,

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Speaker 1: what has happened in the almost a little over for

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Speaker 1: hundred days of this administration, and its impact on Black migrants.

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Speaker 1: They have a report out that we'll talk to her

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Speaker 1: about in just a moment. Oh, she's joining us now,

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Speaker 1: Nada hown you hear us and see how are you

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Speaker 1: really good? Did you? Were you able to hear the

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Speaker 1: interview with ms Bass?

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Speaker 7: You know, I jumped on and so I can hear

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Speaker 7: that absolutely, So.

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Speaker 1: Can you help us because let's actually Andrew. If we can't,

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Speaker 1: let's go to some of these comments we get in

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Speaker 1: our thread about immigration. Do we pull those screenshots, Dereck

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Speaker 1: or Nick? Okay, So while you're pulling those, we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna get started. So now to talk about the need

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Speaker 1: for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. This is not

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Speaker 1: something that we hear about often. There aren't a whole

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Speaker 1: ton of black organizations in the immigration space talk about

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Speaker 1: the need for that.

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Speaker 9: So you know, clearly it hasn't been more critical than

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Speaker 9: right now. But the Black Alliance for Just Immigration was

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Speaker 9: started by a black diasporing crew, started by an African

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 9: American who Gerald Nonoir, who was the first executive director

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Speaker 9: for at least a decade, folks from South Africa, from

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Speaker 9: the Caribbean sitting down and understanding that black immigrants were

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Speaker 9: in a strange place where we're invisibilized in the immigration conversation.

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Speaker 9: If you say immigrant, people don't think of black people, right,

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Speaker 9: But we're also hyper visibilized if you look at who's targeted,

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Speaker 9: how we're targeted. As we see even more clearly in

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Speaker 9: this first hundred days up until now of this regime,

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Speaker 9: we see that black people, black immigrants are targeted and

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Speaker 9: it also ends up bringing in African Americans as well.

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Speaker 9: And so as we look at what's happening with the

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Speaker 9: immigration enforcement, we know that this is the tip of

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00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 9: the spear for what they're trying to do on the

650
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 9: police state level. They would love for this really to

651
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 9: be the National Guard versus black folks. I think Minneapolis,

652
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 9: think Ferguson, and if they can move it that way,

653
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 9: they will, But they start with immigrants because they know

654
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 9: about all the divides.

655
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Speaker 3: Andrew Ifel, no, I just I'm so glad we went there.

656
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know we go there so early. But the

657
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: imagery of black communities, black cities being descended upon Angela.

658
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: You talked a little bit earlier about one of the

659
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: characters in the Housewives.

660
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Show where Portio Porsiae Williams X has been Simon was

661
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: deported get back to Nigeria.

662
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: That's right. So most folks who follow that show, you know,

663
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: a lot of Black Americans who follow that show will

664
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: recognize him, obviously recognize her. And even that feels a

665
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: little bit abstract from us. But when you take it

666
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: to its next logical conclusion, that the the scenes that

667
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: that Trump and his folks would love to see playing

668
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: out is is the big whip flash that they have

669
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: to to the rising up of of of our movement,

670
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: particularly as a response to the to to to what

671
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: occurred in Minneapolis during the quote unquote great awakening that

672
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: a lot of us thought was taking place. But I

673
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: almost hear every time when they discuss protests, the Ferguson

674
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: protests being sort of at the epicenter of what it

675
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: is that they that they that they reject and would

676
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 3: like not to see happen again. They weren't talking about

677
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: brown folks them, They're talking about us. They they want

678
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: to they want to see our voices silence. And I

679
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: just wonder, how do we break through to make clear

680
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: that we're part of the We're part of the target here, y'all.

681
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: Our community is in part the.

682
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Speaker 9: Target, absolutely, And I think there's two things, two ways

683
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 9: to do that. Number One, we are not separate in

684
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 9: terms of black immigrants and African Americans. Right, if you

685
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 9: look into the world, even of culture, we all out

686
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 9: here shaking it to Bernard Boy and all these folks, right,

687
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 9: we are looking at folks like it's a Ray who

688
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 9: has a parent who's from Senegal who was an immigrant.

689
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 9: We're looking at people who are in our athletic world

690
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 9: right across all the different sports, across the genders of

691
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 9: sports that we have. We're looking at people who are neighbors,

692
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 9: who are co workers, so people are married to who

693
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 9: people are dating. This you know, twenty percent of black

694
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 9: people in this country are either immigrants or the child

695
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 9: of immigrants. This is not a small crew like in

696
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 9: the corner somewhere. We are together doing things together. And

697
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 9: so even if they decided to, yeah, think about black cities.

698
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 9: If they decided today that they were going to go ray,

699
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 9: that Ice was going to go into black communities to

700
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 9: search for black migrants. Man, that Angela, you could be

701
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 9: from somewhere else, right, Andrew, you could be from somewhere else.

702
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 7: Like, there's nothing to say. They're not stopping in as people.

703
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 9: They're grabbing up brown folks and black folks now without

704
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 9: asking citizenship questions.

705
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 4: Right.

706
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 9: They had people in the basement in LA and the

707
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 9: Federal building who were citizens who they grabbed up when

708
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 9: they were at the immigration court with their people who

709
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 9: were not citizens. Once they realized, oh, these people are citizens,

710
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 9: they didn't let them go. They said, oh, you're not citizens,

711
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 9: so we can't put you in detention prison, so we'll

712
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 9: put you in a basement and keep you there overnight.

713
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 9: You think that can't happen to us. When they talk

714
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 9: about sending homegrowns to El Salvador and Jibouti, who are

715
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 9: they talking about. I promise you they're not talking about

716
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 9: Rittenhouse because they let him walk around here and do shows.

717
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 9: They're talking about us, and we got to declaimed about that.

718
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right, and I think on this point,

719
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I really appreciate.

720
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: I did a podcast the other day with Jeffrey Wallace,

721
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: who was one of our California leeds not on, and

722
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: he was saying that one of the things that he

723
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: got from you actually was this conversation around not talking

724
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: about migrants through the lens of how it harmed the

725
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: economy through their labor, but through their humanity. And I

726
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: think I was like, Wow, I feel so much guilt

727
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: hearing that because I've been using it that way, because

728
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I thought for the people who didn't have any empathy

729
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: or compassion around it, if it hit them in the pocket,

730
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: maybe I could get them there. But I'm like, dang,

731
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: we do kind of sound like we talk about slavery

732
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: when we say it that way.

733
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 9: Sure we do, absolutely, And this is actually the point

734
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 9: that I make with the larger immigrant rights movement, which

735
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 9: as you know, often shies away from the racial justice

736
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 9: conversation and certainly the anti blackness conversation, that there is

737
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 9: no one who's contributed more an economics labor than African Americans.

738
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 7: Hence, down four.

739
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 9: Hundred years, no one has contributed more and in that

740
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 9: four hundred years people were still being the described as

741
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 9: chatnel or at best three fits of a person. So

742
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 9: your humanity to racist, your humanity to the foundational core

743
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 9: of this country is absolutely not based upon your economic labor.

744
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 9: You'll be essential during the pandemic. As soon as that

745
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 9: pandemic is over, they decide they ain't gonna raise your wages.

746
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 9: They don't care if you have housing, too bad for you.

747
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 9: On health care you're disabled, too bad for you, right,

748
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 9: because the real truth is that they don't value our humanity,

749
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 9: and so it's really important that we place that first. Yes,

750
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 9: obviously we contribute, all of us are contributing out here, right.

751
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 9: And as I tell folks, my parents wouldn't have come

752
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 9: here had it not been shiny enough right to come

753
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 9: over here, which is the result of what African Americans did,

754
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 9: the debt unpayable, okay, unpayable in terms of what immigrants

755
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 9: owe to African Americans in this country. And also we

756
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 9: need to understand that the original quote unquote illegal alien,

757
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 9: if you want to use that term, which we try

758
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 9: not to use, is the African dragged here and chained.

759
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 9: That's the original, and it's.

760
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: Well, yeah original.

761
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 9: They were the original, but not in their and their eyes.

762
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 9: They always belonged to here and their eyes, we are

763
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 9: the people that have always been the ones that don't belong.

764
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 9: And all the things that they're doing, whether it be

765
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 9: about DEI, whether it be about where they're trying to cut,

766
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 9: these attacks that they're putting on black folks, it's because

767
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 9: in their heart of hearts, as Malcolm X said, they

768
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 9: feel you're not an American. If you were an American,

769
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 9: they wouldn't have to do all these extra pieces. And

770
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 9: so that's another thing that we have to keep into

771
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 9: consideration that you know, as a captive people, there's still

772
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 9: a fight to be treated and seen as humans who

773
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 9: belong in this place. And so if it's hard for

774
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 9: African Americans, immigrants should not think we're gonna leap over,

775
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 9: you know, leap frog into the land of white milk

776
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 9: and honey. That's not what's gonna happen. We're not going

777
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 9: any further than our African American siblings, which is why

778
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 9: this fight together is so critical.

779
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: Non can you help, because I think you're hitting on

780
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: what sits at a lot of the disarmony when it

781
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: comes to Black Americans and how we right now feel

782
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: about frankly, Latino immigrants to the country as a result

783
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: of this last election, where many of us heard and were,

784
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: you know, over and undated with Latino men choosing Trump,

785
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: that you know, Latino women or Latino families harboring really

786
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: anti black sentiments expressing them out loud and clips that

787
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 3: were collected on social media or even through people's own

788
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 3: individual life experiences based off of where they lived Miami,

789
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: in some places South Florida and other places on the

790
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: West and Northeast coast. Those feelings that a lot of

791
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: black folks have of being mistreated and rejected and even

792
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: leap frogs in some ways aren't made up. For a

793
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: lot of folks. It's real, it's lived, it's it's real

794
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: experiential in their lives. What what are folks missing as

795
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: a part of that narrative? How do we how do

796
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: we get folks to get beyond some of those instances

797
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: to maybe have a different and maybe greater larger appreciation

798
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 3: for where the majority of Latinos may be, not the

799
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: ones that Trump and the media decide to hand select

800
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: out as being the representatives of those the majority representatives

801
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: of those communities, but the feelings are not made up.

802
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: They're hard come by, and when you have to deal

803
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: with it, is not enough to just say they share

804
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: our experience because we're close in color, and if it

805
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: can happen and then it can happen to us, we've

806
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: got We've got to give our people. I think a

807
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: little bit more of an audience with their sentiment, with

808
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: what they're feeling here, I think as a way of

809
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: sort of bringing us onto the same page. I'm not

810
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: sure how you reflect on.

811
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Speaker 9: That there's a reason there's a Black Alliance for just immigration.

812
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 9: Can you imagine we're in the immigration world where people

813
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 9: talk about things without even considering how it impacts Black people,

814
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 9: whether they be migrant or African American, And even when

815
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 9: we bring it up sometimes they're like, oh, well, sucks

816
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 9: to be you, and they just keep moving forward with

817
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 9: the plans that they have, right, and so absolutely it's real.

818
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 9: We feel that as black immigrants, we feel that as

819
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 9: African Americans, we have issues within that diaspora there as well.

820
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 9: Some things that I ask people to reflect on. I think, firstly,

821
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 9: I think it's important for us to understand and to

822
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 9: think about the fact that around the world, people do

823
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 9: not actually get history lessons on what has happened in

824
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 9: this country with black people both and with African Americans.

825
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 9: People just don't know. They barely know about what's happening.

826
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 9: For example, in Brazil, I know you all are familiar

827
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 9: with what's happening there. Black folks in Brazil don't get

828
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 9: history lessons on Brazil, let alone going all the way

829
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 9: across to the United States. So when you come here,

830
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 9: you come here without that information.

831
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Speaker 7: I mean Baji.

832
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Speaker 9: We started this program in Ghana called so you want

833
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 9: to be in America. So we go down during ducky

834
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 9: December and we do various workshops to talk to people

835
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 9: about Yes, here are the avenues that come to the US.

836
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 9: But know how difficult it is because you're black. And

837
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 9: when you get to the US, you're going to be

838
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 9: this thing you've never been before. You're going to be

839
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 9: a black person. Okay, And this is what that means.

840
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 9: This is some of the history of what that means.

841
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 9: This is what it's going to mean to be a

842
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 9: good community member. You're not gonna come to the United

843
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 9: States and decide that you're going to listen to all

844
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 9: the stories you've been told or what you think you've

845
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 9: seen on TV, et cetera, and social media about who

846
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 9: African Americans are. We're gonna talk to you about the

847
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 9: real in terms of who African Americans are, the connection

848
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 9: between African Americans, Africans folks from the Caribbean that allowed

849
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 9: us to have these worldwide revolutions that we're still engaging

850
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 9: in right now. What people have come up from. Right

851
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 9: in terms of African Americans in the United States, because

852
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 9: you absolutely don't know that I'm from Ghana. There are

853
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 9: people in Ghana with those slave dungeons there that people

854
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 9: fly all over the world to go to, that have

855
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 9: never been there, don't know they exist, don't know what's

856
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 9: going on, are just learning about it maybe when they

857
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 9: go to college. And I'm old as dirt and twice

858
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 9: as funky. It's a lot I didn't learn about until

859
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 9: I went to college. Living in this country, born and

860
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 9: raised here, right, So I think that we need to

861
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 9: have that grace. But then we also need to have

862
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 9: the responsibility on the part of immigrants who come into

863
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 9: this country to know what's up with the house. You

864
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 9: don't just walk in people's house, open up their fridge,

865
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 9: start eating, you know, enjoying your life. That that's not

866
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 9: how it works. You're supposed to find out what's going on.

867
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 7: What are the rules? Who I take my shoes off here?

868
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 7: You know?

869
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 9: Who is nasty to people around here? Who do we avoid?

870
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 9: Who's the lovely ones, et cetera. What are the rules

871
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 9: in this place in order for me to live in

872
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 9: harmony with everyone in this house? We know how to

873
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 9: do that. That's part of our cultures. For a lot

874
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 9: of black and brown immigrant cultures, Asian immigrant cultures, we

875
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 9: got to do that. When it comes to African American community, period.

876
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: I want to turn to the rapport you all have

877
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: Kick us out, lock us up, keep us out. The

878
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: first one hundred days and overview of the Trump administration's

879
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: immigration policies and their impacts on black migrants. In this report,

880
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: and I know you talk about what's happening with TPS

881
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: Temporary protected status, the many ways in which they're locking

882
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: and so sending people to places they've never been by

883
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: the way, El Salvador is one, Guantanamo Bay is another one.

884
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: Talking about Guantanamo Bay, and then the entry pathways that

885
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: have been blocked. Since this report has been published, they've

886
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 1: now banned several African countries. From traveling here at all.

887
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: So can you talk about what you all have seen,

888
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: what y'all have heard from some of the people directly

889
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: impacted by some of these policies you addressing the report.

890
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 7: So it has.

891
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 9: Been really devastating for our community members. That doesn't mean

892
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 9: there's not resistance, It doesn't mean there's not organizing going on.

893
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 9: But to your point earlier, and we got to acknowledge

894
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 9: the pain. Now, if you're Haitian, you have been hit

895
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 9: every which way. But you know they have just focused

896
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 9: on Haiti the way they hate this first Black republic,

897
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 9: the way they hate it. So there were temporary protective

898
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 9: status for Haitians terminated, the Biden program that allowed for

899
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 9: humanitarian parole, in other words, people to be able to

900
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 9: come in and be vetted so that they weren't vetted

901
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 9: while they're in the burning house. Right, you vet before

902
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 9: you come and then if you're allowed to come in

903
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 9: after they check you out thoroughly and got you and

904
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 9: you were sponsored by someone that you were able to

905
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 9: be here. Cut that program terminated, literally went around everything

906
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 9: straight to the Supreme Court, and then Haiti is now

907
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 9: on the list of countries banned. Right, So you can't

908
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 9: come here, your status is gone. And they did that purposefully.

909
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 9: So when these raids occurred, they even though cases are

910
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 9: in court et cetera, they can say, oh, no, we

911
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 9: know that your status is terminated. They have all your information.

912
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 9: They can walk right up to your dora at any

913
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 9: time in the day or night and grab you. And

914
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 9: so we see that happening across the country, not just

915
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 9: with Haitians, but also with African countries that aren't talked

916
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 9: about as much because there's not the same kind of

917
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 9: relationship that Haiti has with the United States. But we

918
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 9: saw when he went after international students. One of the

919
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 9: first crew he went after with South Sudan because they

920
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 9: were taking people and deporting them to Sudan that weren't

921
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 9: even black people. They were deporting people from Maya, marking

922
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 9: people from other countries and the self student these were like,

923
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 9: wait a minute, what's going on here? You're now trying

924
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 9: to just use us as a dumping place for people

925
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 9: because you don't know what you're doing and you don't give,

926
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 9: you know, a care. So it has been really you know.

927
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 9: So they're the first students to all of a sudden

928
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 9: just not have status, which means you can't go to class.

929
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 9: People could not graduate, who had been in school for

930
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 9: four years, who are getting their masters, who are getting

931
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 9: their PhDs, could not complete their programs. People were told

932
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 9: they had to get out of student housing. We had

933
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 9: over one hundred Haitian students reach out to us. They

934
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 9: went to their work study and were told, hey, we

935
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 9: were told by the administration that you no longer have

936
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 9: status and we think you should self deport right. We

937
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 9: had people being arrested in the courtrooms, eight people in

938
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 9: Chicago when I was in Chicago this past Friday, eight

939
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 9: black migrants bam bam, bam, bam bam, just like that,

940
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 9: families holes in our community going into immigration court as

941
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 9: they were supposed to do. We see the expansion of

942
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 9: detention and out of line. One of the main detention

943
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 9: prisons outside of Los Angeles, we had almost closed it

944
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 9: down because that's what the law is that they're supposed

945
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 9: to be closed. It was down to two people. Now

946
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 9: over eight hundred people are in there. From two to

947
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 9: eight hundred in the time period that this regime has

948
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 9: been started. And then, of course we see the deportations

949
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 9: and this idea of deporting people anywhere and everywhere and

950
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 9: trying to make deals to do that and sparking ideas

951
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 9: in others. So my understanding and we're looking more into

952
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 9: it to see what is going on, is that in

953
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 9: Alabama there's a law or a bill that's being put

954
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 9: forward at the state legislature to make it so that

955
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 9: in Alabama the Department of Corrections can deport people.

956
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 7: Convicted in prisons outside of the country.

957
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 9: They're not calling it deportation, of course, but what else

958
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 9: is it If you're in Alabama and you're convicted and

959
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 9: suddenly you find yourself in Rwanda. You have been deported

960
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 9: into Rwanda? Right, and you think phone calls are hard,

961
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 9: Now get a load up, get away too. What it's

962
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 9: going to be like for our people? And so this

963
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 9: is what we see happening, keeping us out with these

964
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 9: travel bands, keeping us out by making it so difficult

965
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 9: for us when we apply, people apply multiple times. These

966
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 9: embassies of the US abroad are so beautiful in Africa

967
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 9: and the Caribbean because they're using the fees from their denials.

968
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 9: You don't get the money back to feed and you know,

969
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 9: make everything all lovely. There's a move now by African

970
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 9: and Caribbean countries to get that money back, but that's

971
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 9: not the case. We have our people who are being

972
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 9: locked up, and we really feel like the next phase

973
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 9: is for them to come to places like New York, Boston,

974
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 9: d C. Places where it's a little bit easier Chicago

975
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 9: to target, and to add to the Floridas and the

976
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 9: Georgia's and the Texas and you know, all of those

977
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 9: places in the South. And then in terms of you know,

978
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 9: us kicking us out, we see what's happening there in

979
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 9: the mass way, and so really important that we continue

980
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 9: to think about what's happening and understand that that's meant

981
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 9: to be expanded to us.

982
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 6: All.

983
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were gonna look at some of the comments

984
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: that we get. No, no, we get mad. I think

985
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: this is the one place we don't agree on much

986
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: on this show, but one place where we all agree

987
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: is like the vitrioll towards the immigrant community without any

988
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: regard for the fact. And we shouldn't have to say, well,

989
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: there are black immigrants, so you shouldn't be vitriolic in

990
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: your speech. It should be like y'all are out of

991
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: pocket because you're out of pocket. But I wanted to

992
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: pull some of the comments so Derek Nick, if y'all

993
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: can put a few of the comments up so we

994
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: can have Nana's response. I rarely hear any other group

995
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: tell each other to go die on a hill over

996
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: black people. My damn, you fight tooth and nail for immigration.

997
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: How did that work out?

998
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

999
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 9: I mean, so, here's what's interesting. Firstly, I find that

1000
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 9: that we are selectively understanding the lies of the right.

1001
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 7: Right.

1002
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: Yes, so we understand as black people, we are selectively.

1003
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 9: Buying into or not into the lies of the right.

1004
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 9: So when the right is telling us right that we

1005
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 9: don't have a history, that black people, African Americans haven't

1006
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 9: really done anything, that they're low iq, that DEI really

1007
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 9: stands for people who don't deserve it being in spaces,

1008
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 9: that there's no need for us to have a museum,

1009
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 9: that having a museum in itself is racist, and all

1010
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 9: of the lies that it tells about black people and

1011
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 9: African Americans are going to focus on in particular. We

1012
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 9: understand that's a lie. But when they say they're kicking

1013
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 9: your black job, we're like, oh my god, they're taking

1014
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 9: our black job.

1015
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 6: Now.

1016
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 9: Again, I'm not disputing that there's you know, a blow

1017
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 9: up in population when it comes to particularly you know,

1018
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 9: Latino immigrants, and I want to distinguish because sometimes the

1019
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 9: people that were yelling about and being immigrants are actually

1020
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 9: not immigrants. They're like generations of people here which folks

1021
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 9: don't recognize and recall. But even if you're looking at

1022
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 9: immigrants themselves, you see more people because you have people

1023
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 9: like me who are the children of immigrants, who are

1024
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 9: also considered in the immigrant space. But we're Usians, right,

1025
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 9: We're Americans. We're people that were born here, and so

1026
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 9: that gives that impression as well. But what are the lies?

1027
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 9: You know, I think about Crenshaw, and you're gonna really

1028
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 9: understand this, Angela, think of a think about Crenshaw. Think

1029
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 9: about black areas in LA. Now, imagine that there are

1030
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 9: no black immigrants there, or no immigrants period. Let's imagine that,

1031
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 9: or people that people perceive as immigrants, even if they've

1032
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 9: been there forever. What businesses are left? Who's left? How

1033
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 9: are we electing these black and brown folks into city council? Like,

1034
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 9: how is that happening? Who is who's providing? You know,

1035
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 9: we have this community, we have this dance classes, we

1036
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 9: you know African dance class, We have culture, we have

1037
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 9: these museums we have Again, it's not just economics, it's

1038
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 9: just the humanity that is contributive that we have to acknowledge,

1039
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 9: and we have had black people. We want to celebrate

1040
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 9: Churley Chisholm, but not celebrate Churley Chisholm Caribbean parents. We

1041
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 9: want to celebrate Audrey Lord and not celebrate Audrey Lord's

1042
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 9: Caribbean parents. I just came back from a trip to

1043
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 9: Grenada to the very land of Malcolm X's mama Louise

1044
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 9: Little and the land they have there, and saw second

1045
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 9: third cousins, you know, And so we can't we can't

1046
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 9: talk about Kwama Terrae. We can't talk about Marcus Garvey.

1047
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 9: We can't talk about so many people who have contributed,

1048
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 9: have contributed in this country, absolutely right, we can't talk

1049
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 9: about that, you know, right, people like in say, oh,

1050
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 9: for the work she's done with New Georgia Project, amara Enya, doctor,

1051
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 9: mari Enya, the work she's done for m for bl right,

1052
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 9: I'll throw myself in there a little bit too, you

1053
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying. Like we can when we look

1054
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 9: in Congress and we see people like ilhan Omar standing

1055
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 9: up and speaking out Congressmen and the goose, like, come on, now,

1056
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 9: we're not just sitting up talking about immigrant issues. We

1057
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 9: are absolutely engaged in this fight as well. Could there

1058
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 9: be more of us, absolutely, they could be more of

1059
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 9: all of us. There could be more African Americans, more

1060
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 9: black black immigrants, more and other types of Americans and immigrants. Absolutely,

1061
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 9: But I think it's it's incorrect to say that people

1062
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 9: are not fighting and have not been fighting as a

1063
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 9: part of black liberation, when black panthers had to escape

1064
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 9: this country, they went to Algeria, they went to Cuba,

1065
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 9: they went to Tanzania, they went to Ghana.

1066
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 7: That is a part of our story, that's right.

1067
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: And also on the economic side, seem to always want

1068
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 3: to put us against each other for the pitiliest piece

1069
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 3: of the pie that exists on the whole table. It's like,

1070
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: you don't know, y'all aren't in position to compete for everything.

1071
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: Of course not, but there's a little piece of crumbs

1072
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: that we let fall from the table. Every black brown

1073
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: person are only in competition for the crumbs of the meal.

1074
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 3: And I just wholeheartedly resent that our only place of

1075
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Speaker 3: competition has to be in their leftovers. It's not true.

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Speaker 3: It's not a fact. They'd like to make it more

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Speaker 3: the truth, and like to make it more the fact.

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Speaker 3: But I just resent that they continue to put us

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Speaker 3: in the box to compete for what is the littlest

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Speaker 3: shred of anything that exists, and then have the nerve

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Speaker 3: to put us in competition with one another, with with

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Speaker 3: with one another for the bucket half empty, always.

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Speaker 9: Always, And we got to look at the You know

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Speaker 9: how often we also see our saying folks admiring the

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Speaker 9: white billionaire.

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Speaker 3: True, you know what I'm.

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Speaker 9: Saying, and not thinking about how Yeah, they part of

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01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 9: your problem. This is why, this is why we have

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 9: the crumbs. They eating the whole cake and giving us

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01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 9: the crumbs, and yet we look at them and say.

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Speaker 7: Wow, they got the whole cape. They the ones think

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01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 7: while that's why we're suffering.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to this other comment, and then

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Speaker 1: I know we have to let you go. Nan No,

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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: but this is good. This is part. You argue this

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: point way better than we did, So this is excellent.

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Speaker 1: We are so thrilled to have an actual expert on here,

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: not just our feelings and thoughts. And Andrew this comment, this

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: is where I'm reading out loud for the folks who

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01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: listen to our show and no watch. I am all

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: for solidarity, but not at the expense of ourselves. We

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Speaker 1: show up all the time, even when we know they

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: won't show up for us. I'm not going to be silent.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak truth to power. I'm going to find

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Speaker 1: ways to survive and sustain my community and any Brown

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: folks who want to show up and support that we cool.

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Speaker 1: As for marching and being on the front lines, I

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: think I'm good on that. That's another comment, Nana, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about this one?

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Speaker 9: So you know, there's the piece I think of when

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 9: I was a little girl and I would always try

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01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 9: to be the person that'stood up for people, and then

1113
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 9: you know, sometimes those people were reciprocate.

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01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 7: Sometimes they wouldn't, and I would go to my.

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01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 9: Mother and complain and she would, you know, she started

1116
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 9: off saying, you know, oh, my's poor datta. You know

1117
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 9: you think everything should be fair, You will suffer every

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 9: day of your life. Okay, that was it nice, But

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Speaker 9: she proceeded to explain that we do things because we

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Speaker 9: believe in humanity and we are humane. Black people across

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Speaker 9: the world are the standard for humanity and what is

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Speaker 9: humane and have stood up across the world for that.

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Speaker 9: And so I know people feel like they want to

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Speaker 9: tap out. There are people talking about they're tapping out

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Speaker 9: on black issues. They're just tapping out, period.

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Speaker 7: That's it. They're done.

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Speaker 9: And I understand that sentiment because people feel tired. This

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Speaker 9: is a long fight, and you know, people want to

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 9: be able to see the benefits of that fight in

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Speaker 9: their lifetime, and so it feels very terrible for them.

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Speaker 9: But I will say this that when we stand up

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Speaker 9: for humanity, we stand up for ourselves. That our Mama

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 9: Nonifiing lou Hamer teaching us that no one is free

1134
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 9: until everybody is free is absolutely right, and that that

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Speaker 9: has been said in multiple languages across the Black world

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 9: with respect to multiple fights. This is what we know

1137
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 9: in our DNA. We are the parents of this planet.

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 9: And the reality is that wherever we are, whether it's

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01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 9: black people in the United States, are the standard of

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 9: what it is to be humane and to stand up

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01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 9: for folks. Black people in Brazil do the same, Black

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01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 9: people on the continent do the same. It doesn't mean

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01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 9: that we don't have folks that are not in that mode.

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01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 7: But as a whole, we understand that that's our place.

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01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 9: Whether it be in the un where you saw African

1146
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 9: countries come together to force a conversation about George Floyd

1147
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 9: and about police murder in the United States right, or

1148
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 9: because African Americans don't have a a national head to

1149
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 9: be able to do that, particularly at that time, or

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 9: whether it be right here in the halls of these

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01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 9: legislatures and in these courthouses. We are the ones that

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01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 9: set the standard, and we should not abdicate that. If

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 9: we abdicate that we lose such a core part of

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01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 9: the reason that we are here in this universe.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's good and so powerful. Nana. We're so grateful

1156
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: for your time today, y'all. If you're not following Black

1157
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: Alliance for Just Immigration, first know that they are a

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: State of the People partner and we're so grateful to

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: have them. And I also want to ensure that you

1160
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: all are paying attention to everything that they're doing. This

1161
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: report is out, there are updates coming. If y'all need

1162
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: to understand how to debunk a myth around black migrants

1163
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: and our role and impact of the harms of the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. No better follow than Nana. Jumpfy Nana, do

1165
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: you want to drop your social so folks know how

1166
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: to follow you?

1167
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 9: You can follow me at Attorney Nana which is easily

1169
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 9: spelt and a Na at Attorney Nana. You can follow

1170
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 9: Baji at insta Baji on Instagram. We're still on that X.

1171
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 9: We're figuring it out at Baji tweet. We're also on

1172
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 9: Facebook and we're on LinkedIn and please connect up with us.

1173
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 9: We got toolkits we have you know, know your rights,

1174
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 9: and multiple languages and ideas of how folks can jump

1175
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 9: in and help and to think through what it is

1176
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 9: we need to do in this moment because we know

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 9: we're gonna win. We just want to win as fabulously

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Speaker 9: as possible.

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Speaker 1: You gotta do that and that that's true to Andrew.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I will also say is make sure

1181
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: please that we get those We will drop them in

1182
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: the description for the podcast, so folks know how to

1183
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: protect themselves, know their rights, especially with these ice rays

1184
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: happening in La right now, but of course there are

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Speaker 1: many other places, so we want our folks to be protected,

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: said our folks with intention. Thank you, thank you so much, Naana, thank.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me out. This was fabulous.

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01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,959
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, welcome home. See that's

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01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: for all of us. See there, okay, I was so good.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's powerful.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: I was reminded you could appreciate this. I think Angela

1193
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 3: just sort of acting, uh, you know, taking an action

1194
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 3: in life, not for what you're going to get from

1195
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 3: having taken it, but because you take it because it's

1196
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: if it's right within your soul, if it's right within you.

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 3: So if you if you never get to thank you,

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 3: you know from the mouths of the people who benefited

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Speaker 3: from that thing, you're okay because your goal wasn't for

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: the thank you. Your goal was to be the mark

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01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 3: by which you know a standard is measured, or to uh,

1202
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: you know, to stay firm for that thing because it

1203
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 3: felt like the right thing to do, and then what

1204
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 3: flowed from it to to towards the benefit of those individuals,

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 3: you know, you're happy with that, And I just think,

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01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 3: I guess in some ways, I'm I'm kind of hoping

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01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 3: that more of us can find some peace with Like

1208
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 3: when you're take an action and you take a stance,

1209
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 3: you're not taking it for the purposes of the thank

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: you for the appreciation that may come with it, But

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 3: because it's right within you, I'm already fed because it

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 3: fits right within me. I'm at home with having taken

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 3: that step, with that action. But I get it on

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01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 3: all sides. I get how people can be frustrated and

1215
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 3: tired and feel like everybody else gets the benefit off

1216
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: your sacrifice. I totally get it. But that's why we

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 3: have to shift to another place, you know, mentally, I

1218
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 3: think we have to shift to another place in that regard.

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01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 3: And I appreciate you know not for helping them, helping

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: to see that with us today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. No, I'm so grateful and thanking her too.

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: I think we should go to cross the action.

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01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: I want you go first with your as well. I

1224
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 3: think online.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well mine is. By the time our pod drops

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: next week, we will be just arriving to Baltimore, and

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: so I want to urge people, if you haven't yet

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01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: for State of the People. Our tour is over, but

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: the National Assembly, thanks brother, thank you for your role.

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01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: If people are so excited to see you there, I'm serious.

1231
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that you all will meet us in Baltimore.

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: What has been fascinating ag and I think you've seen

1233
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: this too, is at every turn there's been conversations around

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01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: and you know this especially because we really are like

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01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 1: siblings for forever. But I have a big I'll have

1236
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: a big idea and it's like, we can't do that.

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: That's too much. We don't need to do that right now,

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01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: let's go down. We need time. And it feels like

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: all along the way we were being shown we were

1240
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: given confirmation like oh no, we are late, Oh no,

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01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: we don't have time. Know, we do need to prepare.

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: And one thing I'm super grateful for is Judith Brown Dianas,

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: who is an incredible attorney runs Advancement Project. I know

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: you known her for forever. We need to have it.

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: How we have that Judy on the show. That's crazy,

1246
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: we need to have Judy on the show. But Judy

1247
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: has been you know, she's a constant voice of reason

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01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: and consummate big sister and I love her. But even Judy,

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: like there was moments where she was like I don't know,

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: and Judy came around, she was like, you know what

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: we need to do. And now she's like ten toes down,

1252
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: ten fingers down, elbows in like going and has been

1253
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: that way the whole time, even when she disagrees with me,

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Speaker 1: like I've learned so much about leadership from her on this,

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: because she was like, I don't agree with you on this,

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: but there's this part over here I agree with this

1257
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: where I'm going to lean in and it's been beautiful.

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: And I'm saying all that to say that there's a

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: lot of that happening along the way on the tour

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01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: as we plan these workshops for the National Assembly. The

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: black papers have been that way. David has done a

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01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: remarkable job at pulling these black papers together. It will

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01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: be over thirty by the time the Assembly comes. So

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: my point is I want you all to register. If

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01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: you can't drive, I mean, if you can't fly, drive,

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01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: If you can't drive, get on the train. If you

1267
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: can't get on the train, get on the bus. But

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: please come. I think that it will be well worth

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: the sacrifice to get there. If I have money for

1270
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: you all, I will pay for all y'all to come.

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: I don't have that, but what I do have is

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01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of really willing national partners and local partners

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01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: who have pulled together to give the best of themselves

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: in these spaces The plenaries will be designed to talk

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: through policy, what our demands are and what we require

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01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: of ourselves. The workshops will be designed to give you

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01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: tactics and tools to go home and keep implementing. The

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: delegate training will be designed to help us build the

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: structure that we need to move forward, whether it's to

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01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: approve a statement on behalf of Black America, to get

1281
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: mobilized in another way. The rapid response network the miss

1282
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: bass is talking about are the very things we are

1283
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: going to establish in Baltimore. We can't afford not to

1284
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: be there, so I plead with you to come and

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: to do what you feel called to do. Everybody is welcome.

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: Any offering you have is sufficient. It's a state of

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Speaker 1: THEPPL dot com slash Baltimore. I hope you will come,

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Speaker 1: and I want to send just a note of gratitude

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Speaker 1: to all of our local city committees, organizers, every group

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Speaker 1: that did anything. I don't care if you brought napkins

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Speaker 1: and forks, we thank God for you. If you spoke,

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Speaker 1: if you built the stage, if you passed out a flyer,

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Speaker 1: if you ask your friends to come, if you put

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Speaker 1: up an I'm in graphic, we love you and We

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Speaker 1: are eternally grateful for your support, and I want to

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Speaker 1: thank my co host especially because they came and then

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Speaker 1: every time I've been late or I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: was going on, they tapped in. They were like, this

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Speaker 1: is what we talked about. I'm like, okay, I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna fight tired, and they were right there like we

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Speaker 1: got you said. So, I just love y'all and thank

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Speaker 1: God for you. That was a really long pot action.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm co signing our chief of staff to black people.

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Speaker 3: I think you're now a president of black people. But

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Speaker 3: all these things, but really you're the sheer will I mean,

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Speaker 3: and this is in so many ways just the force

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Speaker 3: of will. It's how you have moved that and in

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Speaker 3: divine grace, because it's only possible through His divine grace

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Speaker 3: that it has come together in such a way. But Angela, you,

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Speaker 3: if you have leaned in and through your sheer force

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Speaker 3: of will, have been able to bring people who haven't

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Speaker 3: always partnered, who haven't always been good at co signing,

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Speaker 3: who haven't always you know, been down for an action

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Speaker 3: that doesn't, you know, require three years of planning before

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Speaker 3: you take the action. We thank you. I think there's

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Speaker 3: a collective thank you that's out there for you. If

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Speaker 3: you haven't heard it collectively, I hope you get to

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Speaker 3: hear it now that we are an eternal gratitude for you,

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Speaker 3: for your person, for who you are, not only for

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Speaker 3: what you do, but just the person that you are.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's it's an incredible blessing. And not

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Speaker 3: only are you going to feel the gifts coming around

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Speaker 3: and around, but the gift that you are to others

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Speaker 3: will continue to go around and around and around and

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Speaker 3: continue to inspire. So thank you for all of that

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Speaker 3: and then some and uh and we got your back

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Speaker 3: just like you've had ours.

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Speaker 1: So love you, brethren, I love I want to shout out.

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Speaker 1: I want to shout out two more people. I want

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Speaker 1: to shout out Lolo on our pod because Lolo came

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Speaker 1: in Andrew is research producer and it's like I always

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Speaker 1: call her Charles Barkley. Yeah, she's a utility player, not

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Speaker 1: just for the podcast, but for this tour too. Lolo

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Speaker 1: lost her cousin tragically at our first tour stop and

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Speaker 1: it just hit her so hard and even after that,

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Speaker 1: came back and was like, Okay, I sat down as

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Speaker 1: long as I can. I got to get back in

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Speaker 1: the game and has done that. Like she just picks

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Speaker 1: up wherever she can. Constc her best friend just got married.

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm out for a day and a half,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back. She's back, you know. So I want

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Speaker 1: to shout out Lolo and Chloe on uh that does

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Speaker 1: social media for the podcast did so much at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the tour, and and who like was holding

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Speaker 1: it down, just like when y'all were holding me down,

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Speaker 1: she was holding Chloe down. So I want to thank them.

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Speaker 1: And then Vincent Evans, that dog gone Vincent Evans. That

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Speaker 1: dog gone Vincent Evans. We love Vincent Evans and I

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Speaker 1: thank God for how he has my back personally as

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Speaker 1: his sister. I've been telling everybody that's one of the

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Speaker 1: few that can boss me. So when they ever need,

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Speaker 1: they need to get through to me because I'm being

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Speaker 1: hard headed. Hear, come, Vince, I'd be like what they'd

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Speaker 1: be like now, Angela, the people are concerned that you're

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Speaker 1: not here.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we are not about to go into a mimic

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Speaker 3: session of my boy. But it's a couple Yea, it

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Speaker 3: was good. I got a couple of my sleeve. But

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Speaker 3: when going to Angela.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you thought of that.

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Speaker 1: Sent to Evans. Yeah, we should have played. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get a video of Vins. Vince was like they call

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Speaker 1: him the star of the dot because Vince is like

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Speaker 1: a breakout star and he's not even trying to perform.

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Speaker 1: He's just being him damn self. He is crazy anyway.

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Speaker 3: And we want to welcome you home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome home. I'm gonna tell you guys right now,

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Speaker 1: how many days are left until the election. We don't

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Speaker 1: even get to them listener questions. Maybe we'll do that

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Speaker 1: on a mini pod. Okay. As always, we want to

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Speaker 1: remind everyone to leave us a review and subscribe to

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Speaker 1: Native lamp Pod. We're available on Why are you sniffing

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Speaker 1: the middle of my study? I'm sorry, so disrespectful, Go

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Speaker 1: on mute. Okay. As always, we want to remind everyone

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01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native Lamp Pod.

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Speaker 1: We're available on all podcast platforms and YouTube. New episodes

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Speaker 1: drop Thursday and Friday, with solo pods on some Mondays

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01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: when Andrews feels like it, and right now, given my

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Speaker 1: track record, it would be in some Tuesdays. But I'm

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Speaker 1: back y'all. I'm gonna keep it going. You can also

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Speaker 1: check out the other shows on our Reason Choice Media

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Speaker 1: and network that includes Politics with Jamel Hill and Off

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Speaker 1: the Cup with sc Cup. We have another one that's

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Speaker 1: coming out in July, but we'll save that because I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to join us on the podcast. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget to follow us on social media and subscribe to

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Speaker 1: our text or email lists. That's another thing where Lolo's

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Speaker 1: done because she got ninety seven jobs on Native lampod

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Speaker 1: dot com. We are Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross and her

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Speaker 1: absence wish her well that she gets better. And Andrew

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Speaker 1: Gilli welcome home, y'all. There are five hundred and nine

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Speaker 1: very long days until the midterm elections.

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Speaker 3: Bless us for the last morning plea.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the Natives. Attention to what the

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Speaker 2: info and all of the latest Roy Gillam and Cross

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Speaker 2: connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choices clear.

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Speaker 3: So grateful it took the execute role.

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Speaker 2: For serve, defend and protect the truth even in past.

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Speaker 3: And we'll welcome home to all of the Natives.

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Speaker 5: We thank you.

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